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Speaker 2: Well that's rich. You heard the man that time a week.

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Speaker 2: My name is Bernie Fratle. We are coming you live

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Speaker 2: from the Fox Sports Radio studios here in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 2: Absolute jam Pack Show tonight. We'll take you up till

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Speaker 2: three am Pacific, six am Eastern. Real quickly, I want

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Speaker 2: to give a big shout out to my good buddy

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Speaker 2: Craig Wood, who put forth a herculean effort to organize

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Speaker 2: the Almbodina class reunion. And also my good buddy Doug Anderson.

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Speaker 2: You know him as doctor Doug Anderson spent on my

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Speaker 2: show many times talking sports injuries. Great researcher too. Later

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Speaker 2: in the show, the Final Hour, I'm going to give

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Speaker 2: a tribute to Clayton Kershaw, who, among his many luminary records,

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Speaker 2: set one. Well that makes it very distinctive, very distinctive.

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Speaker 2: When you hear the stats, you'll raise an eyebrow. Some

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Speaker 2: of the stats we saw in college football today raised

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Speaker 2: an eyebrow. What the hell is is Indiana University also

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Speaker 2: Death Valley? I don't think Clemson is anymore LSU until

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Speaker 2: further notice, Yes, but Indiana is not only Death Valley

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Speaker 2: they're a house of wars. They hosted Illinois Saturday. In

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Speaker 2: case you missed it, Illinois is ranked ninth in the country.

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Speaker 2: They gave up sixty three points. They lost by fifty three.

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Speaker 2: That's the most lopsided win ever by a team outside

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Speaker 2: the top ten against the team inside the top ten.

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Speaker 2: The previous was just a couple of years ago. Kansas

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Speaker 2: State was ranked twenty second. They beat Oklahoma State, who

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Speaker 2: was in re at nine forty eight. Nothing but I digress.

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Speaker 2: Fernando Mendozo. You might want to remember that name. Twenty

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Speaker 2: one to twenty three for two sixty seven five touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: But that doesn't even begin to tell the rest of

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Speaker 2: the story. What if I told you Illinois had two

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Speaker 2: yards rushing. This is Illinois. Somebody said this is their

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Speaker 2: year with Brett Beilima two yards rushing. The good news

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Speaker 2: is they hailed Indiana three hundred and twelve. You heard

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Speaker 2: that right, That is not a misprint. Three hundred and

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Speaker 2: twelve yards rushing to two. I gotta tell you, Kurt Signette,

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Speaker 2: he's got something going there at Indiana. He had something

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Speaker 2: going last year, and I wasn't sure if he kept

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Speaker 2: it this year. But he's had twelve home games, and

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Speaker 2: in those twelve home games, Indiana's scored five hundred and

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Speaker 2: ninety four points and only given up a buck twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we need to keep an eye in Indiana again,

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Speaker 2: even though their playoff run last year was short, starting

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Speaker 2: to wonder with all due respect to Billy Napier and

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Speaker 2: his offense under their play play calling, try that again

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Speaker 2: in English, they looked happless. For to look hapless for

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Speaker 2: the third straight game, third straight loss, only one hundred

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Speaker 2: and forty one yards the entire game. DJ Lagway just

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Speaker 2: completed twelve passes for sixty one yards. Through the year,

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Speaker 2: something very wrong here, very very long. I Miami just

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Speaker 2: completely dominated Florida for the second straight season. Miami is

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Speaker 2: looking to be the real short list of teams who

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Speaker 2: could win at all. What's odd is Florida, on paper,

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Speaker 2: appears to have all kinds of talent all over the field,

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Speaker 2: but you wouldn't know it when you watch his team

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Speaker 2: play thirty two yards of total offense, not a single

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Speaker 2: first down in the opening half. There's not a defense

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Speaker 2: in the universe that can overcome that kind of offensive ineptitude.

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Speaker 2: And I gotta tell you things are not looking good.

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Speaker 2: Things are not looking good there for Florida. They're one

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Speaker 2: and three. There are worst starts since nineteen eighty six.

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Speaker 2: And look, you don't want to dance on anybody's grave,

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Speaker 2: but it looks like billion Apier's got one fun on

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Speaker 2: the grave and the other on a banana peel. With

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Speaker 2: all due respect, Florida enters a bye week next week.

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Speaker 2: Be curious to see what they do coming out of

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Speaker 2: that bye week. I'm not suggesting they're gonna send him

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Speaker 2: he'll continue to call plays another coach who looks like

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Speaker 2: a drunk crossing in icy street. Remember Dabo Swinney fell

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Speaker 2: to one and two last week, and he went silly

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Speaker 2: stupid in his press conference defending his actions. All we've

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Speaker 2: done is win, he said, We've won this league gate

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Speaker 2: out of ten years. Is that not good? I'm just asking,

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Speaker 2: is that not good? This sounded like a guy begging

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Speaker 2: his little league coach to make sure he knows how

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Speaker 2: good he is. We can get a free snow cone.

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Speaker 2: He win your league gate out of ten years, go

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Speaker 2: to the playoffs seven out of ten years, win it twice. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're a little down right now. But I've got a

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Speaker 2: long memory, will bounce back. If you're sick of losing,

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Speaker 2: I'll move on, I'll go Okay, dabble talk is cheap.

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Speaker 2: Don't show me, tell me. The LSU and Georgia Tech

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Speaker 2: losses came down to a few plays. But Saturday, Syracuse

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Speaker 2: lit up this Clinton defense thirteen yards per pass completion.

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Speaker 2: Syracuse scored on their first four drives, and Clemson's got

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Speaker 2: big trouble. Okay, and yes, the big the defensive struggles

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Speaker 2: were obvious and certainly a surprise. But Clemson's offense again, Really,

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Speaker 2: I don't have any cute analogy for this one. Let's

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Speaker 2: just put it this way. Club kid club Nick may

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Speaker 2: have ended up with three hundred and sixty five yards passing.

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Speaker 2: We threw the ball sixty times and it was inconsequential

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Speaker 2: he lost play double digits at home when they were

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Speaker 2: three for thirteen on third down. Michigan Nebraska. This was

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Speaker 2: a game that was a referendum for both programs. Circa

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. All right, a lot of pressure two

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Speaker 2: highly toddled quarterbacks, Dylan Royola and Bryce Underwood. But as

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Speaker 2: it usually does often in football, it comes down to

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Speaker 2: blocking and tackling and the ruster details. Michigan seems to

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Speaker 2: be very buttoned up, very buttoned up all of a

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Speaker 2: sudden in their defensive offensive lines. They completely pushed around

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Speaker 2: an overmatched Nebraska defensive line. They ran for two eighty

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Speaker 2: And on the other side, Michigan's defensive front was completely dominant,

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Speaker 2: holding Nebraska to under fifty yards Russia. Now, Dilo Riola

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Speaker 2: classic Big ten game we saw and it comes down

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Speaker 2: to the trenches, and that's where Michigan excels. So what

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Speaker 2: if Sherlan Moore was watching the game from his hotel

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Speaker 2: room or wherever he was bif pogi, longtime Michigan guy,

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Speaker 2: it's the front man for Michigan and they look good

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Speaker 2: doing it. As for Nebraska, you know, they trailed by

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Speaker 2: would say that if you're in Nebraska and you have

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Speaker 2: you better fix your defensive line. Because Michigan, whenever they

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Speaker 2: needed to do what they wanted to do, they were

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Speaker 2: any issues, and that's Oklahoma. Brent Venables in short order

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Speaker 2: has turned that Oklahoma team into a legitimate I say

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Speaker 2: talking about. Now, Jackson Arnold used to be at Oklahoma,

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Speaker 2: but he might as well still be at Oklahoma for

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Speaker 2: the time he spent with his former teammates. Saturday, the Sooners,

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Speaker 2: they celebrated their former quarterbacks returned to Norman with a

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Speaker 2: sack party. They took him down ten times, an outrageous,

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Speaker 2: incredible defensive performance versus Auburn. Now Jayden Jackson led the

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Speaker 2: and they lived in the backfield. Now, Oklahoma has now

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Speaker 2: faced two high quality opponents this season in Michigan and Auburn,

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Speaker 2: and they won both games. They won both games impressively.

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Speaker 2: By the way, John Mattier has rightly received plenty of

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Speaker 2: it's the defense that sets the tomb for the Sooners.

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Speaker 2: You almost think they're going back fifty years with the

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Speaker 2: Selmyn brothers. Brent Vennables promised that he would fix the

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma head coach, and so far he's absolutely made good

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Speaker 2: on his word. Those sack numbers are gonna they were.

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Speaker 2: They were not a fluke. They're going to be that

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Speaker 2: buy next week and they got Kent State in two weeks.

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Speaker 2: By the way, also, okay, don't mean to keep saying.

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Speaker 2: By the way, the Kent State Golden Flashes have allowed

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Speaker 2: there you have it. Texas Tech spent a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: Looks like they're getting return on their investment. If you've

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Speaker 2: look at Texas Tech, especially when Mike Leach was there.

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Speaker 2: They had a tremendous, explosive, creative passing attack, but their

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Speaker 2: was Saturday is they dominated a good Utah team thirty

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Speaker 2: turns out? Money can buy it. A unit ranked twenty

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Speaker 2: they're they're looking like the eighty five Bears out there.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I saw the pregame show that that

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Speaker 2: poor knucklehead that works for what's that show called Wake

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Speaker 2: Up Barstool guaranteed Utah would win, and you better get

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Speaker 2: on Devin damp here now, bet get your bets in now,

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Speaker 2: because he's gonna win. The heistman the end not so

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Speaker 2: the truth of the matter is defense, balance on offense.

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Speaker 2: Good quarterback. Texas Tech's on the short list of Big

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Speaker 2: we talk about Bryce Underwood. Maryland's got their own dude

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Speaker 2: at quarterback the Big ten, don't you know? Take role

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Speaker 2: without calling Malik Washington's name Honor was the only true

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Speaker 2: nation's third rank dual thread passer two hundred and fifty yards, again,

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Speaker 2: They got blown out at the hands of Maryland. I

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Speaker 2: run the ball, offensive lineman, running backs, offensive lineman, more

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Whatever Fickle did at Cincinnati isn't translating

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Speaker 2: really interesting weird kind of big ten this year. I'm surprised,

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Speaker 5: Bernie, how you doing.

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Speaker 2: Good to have you back. I know you enjoyed your

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Speaker 2: you're exactly right about Brandon Aubrey, who's an incredible weapon.

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Speaker 5: They should? I mean, as much as bad as the

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Speaker 2: Talking with Joe Gibbs, follow him on Twitter, NFL ref Stats.

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Speaker 2: had an interesting stat in your notes. Land Clark is

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Speaker 5: I think I just think he likes seeing the bad guy.

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Speaker 5: He likes playing the villain. That's just my opinion. I

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Speaker 5: That's all I tell you. The numbers are what they are.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is what's interesting because penalties to me equate

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this sets up tomk Yeah, this sets up tomorrow night.

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Speaker 5: Because Clark's are good under referee. About fifty six percent

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Speaker 5: offensive line. So it adds up to a game where

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Speaker 5: it could be kind of ugly. Look, the thing to

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Speaker 5: the Giants, if they're going to win, the ticket to

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Speaker 5: a win is that defensive front and just pinning their

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Speaker 5: ears back and getting off of that Kansas City offensive

435
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Speaker 5: line and getting off to my home and then hopefully

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Speaker 5: they get a few penalties also on the Chiefs to

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Speaker 5: put him in those long yacht the situations, that's the

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00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 5: ticket to a victory. Whether they can do it, I

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Speaker 5: don't know.

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Speaker 9: At the end of the day.

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Speaker 5: The Chiefs have Mahomes and the Giants don't, so I

442
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Speaker 5: think Kansas City can squeak out a win. But I

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Speaker 5: would probably lean to the Giants getting the six.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm with you, I have him grabbed the six.

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00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: You just can't trust him. But I do think the

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Speaker 2: Giants front seven is impressive and matched up against the

447
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Speaker 2: Chiefs questionable offensive line, that could keep the game fairly close.

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Speaker 2: I can't picture the Chiefs going zero to three, So

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Speaker 2: I think you've got to score projected like twenty three

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Speaker 2: twenty Kansas City. Is that? Is that where you see

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Speaker 2: this come, you know, ferreting out, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Twenty three twenty. I think probably the safest bet is

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Speaker 5: taking younger. I think it's like forty four.

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Speaker 6: And a half.

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Speaker 5: I think Kansas City squeaks out a win like they

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Speaker 5: always did last season. Yeah, if the Giants defense can

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Speaker 5: get offered. Remember it's the Giants home opener. They played

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Speaker 5: two rugs saw the season, so this is a home

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Speaker 5: opener on a Sunday nod. If every are going to

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Speaker 5: be focused and ready to roll, this is the game.

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Speaker 2: Well, and look at who the Chiefs have faced, A

462
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Speaker 2: very good Chargers team who I think is on the

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Speaker 2: short list if they can stay healthy. They have been

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Speaker 2: healthy and they still look good. And then they had

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Speaker 2: to go into Philadelphia under man. So listen, there's never

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Speaker 2: any easy games in the National Football League. But you'd

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Speaker 2: rather face the Giants, and you would the Chiefs checked

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Speaker 2: at the Chargers or the Eagles. Finally, Monday night, this

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Speaker 2: should be a hell of a game to end the week.

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Speaker 2: The last time the Lions visited Baltimore was two years ago.

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Speaker 2: They lost thirty eight to six. At one point the

472
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Speaker 2: Lions were getting six, it's down to four and a half.

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Speaker 2: I haven't fired on the game. I feel like it's

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Speaker 2: an overplay. But you mentioned that the Ravens nine and

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Speaker 2: two straight up ten and one against the number with

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Speaker 2: Bill Vinovich as the referee since twenty eighteen, your thoughts

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Speaker 2: on the game.

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Speaker 5: That's correct. As soon as I saw the assignments come

479
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Speaker 5: out and I saw Vinovich was this game, I'm like, well,

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Speaker 5: that's perfect for Baltimore because to give to get the

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Speaker 5: listeners some perspective. The Ravens traditionally, you know, they're a

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Speaker 5: very handsy team, very physical, and they're in the upper

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Speaker 5: upper echelon of teams who commit penalties, and so Vinovitch

484
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Speaker 5: traditionally has been a let them play referee. So what

485
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Speaker 5: would the Ravens like to have? I let them play referee.

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Speaker 5: They can get away with that extra curricular activity. And

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Speaker 5: their record with Vinovitch kind of speaks to that. They

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Speaker 5: were underdogs in like five of those eleven games. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: he's a great referee for them. Uh really that that's

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Speaker 5: that's my breakdown of it. I know it's simply well.

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Speaker 2: What's interesting is what's funny is Vinovitch I don't think

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Speaker 2: cause a lot of penalties in Baltimore. Is I think

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Speaker 2: averaging the fewest penalties per game? Uh, what do you

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Speaker 2: take the stat I don't want to miss.

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Speaker 5: I mean this year, Baltimore's really cleaned up their act,

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Speaker 5: particularly on offensive holding. It was a major issue for

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Speaker 5: him last year. They've really cleaned it up and made

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Speaker 5: a point of emphasis to do that, and they've done

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Speaker 5: it so far through to games. Vinovich is actually calling

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Speaker 5: and this is I can't believe I'm saying this. He

501
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Speaker 5: actually ranks second in penalties per game in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 5: That's going to regress though. I've seen this happen before

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Speaker 5: where he gets a couple of games where it just

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Speaker 5: it balloons. My guess is Monday night he really pulls

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Speaker 5: back the reins and they try to let him play,

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Speaker 5: which again it's perfectly in the Baltimore's style. Look, Detroit

507
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 5: can benefit from him as well, but the Ravens have

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Speaker 5: the track record with this guy. And look, the other

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Speaker 5: part is, and you know this, Bernie Lamar and the

510
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Speaker 5: Ravens against NFC teams, they're like twenty five and two

511
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Speaker 5: or something like. I don't know what exactly it is,

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Speaker 5: but it's a hell of a record. And so you know,

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Speaker 5: Detroit's coming off that big win last week against the

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Speaker 5: subpop is they're outside Monday night, m and T Banks

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Speaker 5: Stadium is a tough.

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Speaker 6: Place to play.

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Speaker 5: I look that the Baltimore beat him last last time,

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Speaker 5: thirty eight to sticks two years ago. I don't think

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Speaker 5: it's going to be that lopsided, but I can see

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Speaker 5: it being, you know, thirty to twenty, thirty to twenty three,

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Speaker 5: something like that. Whenever Vinevich is on a Ravens game,

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Speaker 5: as an automatic Ravens play for me. So the money's

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Speaker 5: coming in on the lines, that's going against what I think.

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Speaker 5: And so we'll see what happens to Monday night.

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Speaker 2: Joe, we just got a couple of minutes. But I

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Speaker 2: can't let you go without getting your thoughts on the

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Speaker 2: Raiders visiting the Commanders with Sean Hockeyly on the call,

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Speaker 2: it's a short number. I don't trust the Raiders. You

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Speaker 2: know how I feel about the Raiders, and I think

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Speaker 2: in a one game affair, Marcus Mariota can put together

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Speaker 2: a game and the Raiders just start buttoned up. I

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Speaker 2: saw Gino Smith repeatedly throwing to double coverage against the

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Speaker 2: New England Patriots Week one, got away with it, not

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Speaker 2: so much last Monday night against the Chargers. Your thoughts

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Speaker 2: on the Raiders visiting Washington.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so Hockey was a great under referee. He's about

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Speaker 5: fifty eight per century Korea and he's two and over

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Speaker 5: to the end of this season, So listen to this one.

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Speaker 5: He collectively the Kamando's and the Raiders this season both

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Speaker 5: committing bob average percentage of the penalties in two T categories,

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Speaker 5: false thought and offensive holding. You know, Huckley's crew has

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Speaker 5: a tradition of doing false stat and offensive holding penalty.

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Speaker 5: So it all has up to me to be kind

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Speaker 5: of an ugly game at Mariota on the Washington team,

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Speaker 5: you know they're not going to be as electric. I

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Speaker 5: don't know what the total is in this game since

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Speaker 5: he's been announced a STATA, but I would look under

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00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 5: in this one.

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Speaker 2: Joe, great stuff. We'll have you on again before too

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Speaker 2: long as the data continues to accumulate for twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: and good luck with all your bets later Sunday night.

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Speaker 5: Thanks a lot, Bunny, have a good night.

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Speaker 2: same where you live, but certainly figuratively. The Bennett Hour

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Speaker 2: quick one. Tom Brady situation is raising some eyebrows, the

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Speaker 2: implication being that Tom Brady is in the coaching booth

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Speaker 2: too many feels like a insane conflict of interest. He's

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Speaker 2: the same guy that it's allowed access to interviewing opposing

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Speaker 2: gathers information and many people anonymously have said, be silly

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Speaker 2: to think he's not sharing it with the Raiders. Now

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Speaker 2: what effect that's having? I don't know. You know, he

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Speaker 2: lost twenty to nine to the Chargers. Didn't look good.

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Speaker 2: We'll see what they do against the Commanders. But regardless,

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Speaker 2: the optics are big. And this is one of those

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Speaker 2: situations where people don't like it if Tom Brady's an

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Speaker 2: announcer and he's also an owner of the Raiders and

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Speaker 2: he sits in the owners and coaches box and they

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Speaker 2: can talk. So give me your thoughts. Is this just

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Speaker 2: a tempest and a teapot and no big deal with

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Speaker 2: nothing to see here, just keep moving right along, or

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Speaker 2: is this an issue that the league needs to deal

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Speaker 2: with the Second topic, and it's kind of a short

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Speaker 2: one before we get to the main meet, which I

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Speaker 2: know people are really going to want to weigh in on,

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Speaker 2: came out this past week earlier that Shadoor Sanders was

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Speaker 2: told by the Baltimore Ravens they we're gonna draft you

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Speaker 2: one forty one overall, And allegedly it was reported that

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Speaker 2: Shador Sanders says, no, don't draft me. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to sit behind Lamar Jackson. That I hear him say it. No,

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Speaker 2: but sometimes when they're smoke throughs fire, So we'll use

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Speaker 2: the obligatory word allegedly when we talk about this. But

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Speaker 2: when I asked about it earlier this week in camp,

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Speaker 2: Chador went Shadoor with, you know, the goofy smile on

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Speaker 2: his face, didn't answer the question, says I'm focused on now. Man,

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Speaker 2: I take twenty four hours at a time. All they

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Speaker 2: had to say was no, I never said that I'd

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Speaker 2: love to play for Baltimore. Oh no, that's not true,

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Speaker 2: or yeah, that's my decision. Fair, But he gave the

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Speaker 2: goofy smile on his face, tried that cordial well all

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Speaker 2: the while he's got to look in his eye, I'm

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Speaker 2: better than you. Just remember I'm better than you. I'd

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Speaker 2: have a better car and everything. So when you heard this,

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Speaker 2: and do you believe it? Okay, By the way, there's

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Speaker 2: never been any follow up on Eric Dickerson's assertion that

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Speaker 2: the league was all out to draft Sudore. Well, Cleveland did,

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Speaker 2: and now we're hearing that Baltimore was going to. But

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Speaker 2: Shodor said no because it's beneath him, sitting behind Lamar

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Speaker 2: Jackson's way. I see if it's true, but just give

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Speaker 2: me your overall thoughts again, optics impressions. Maybe you believe it,

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Speaker 2: maybe you don't. What does it say to number one

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Speaker 2: Tom Brady in the coaching booth after being allowed to

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Speaker 2: interview opposing teams when he's on the broadcast team and

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Speaker 2: gather information to Shoodoor Sanders allegedly drafted by the wanted

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Speaker 2: to be drafted. No, let me try to get in English.

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Speaker 2: The Baltimore Ravens said, allegedly they wanted to draft him

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Speaker 2: a one forty one. He said, no, all right, let's

646
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Speaker 2: get to the elephant in the room. The touch push. Now,

647
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Speaker 2: unless you've been living on Mars or just don't watch football,

648
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Speaker 2: you know by now. The touch push is an offensive

649
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: play where multiple players pushed the ball carrier the quarterback

650
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Speaker 2: from behind to gain yardage. Nobody does it better than

651
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Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Eagles, but clearly some miss penalty calls were

652
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: pretty blatant last week. Now, Ford progress is part of

653
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Speaker 2: this equation. That's a referee determination that merely signifies when

654
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 2: the ball carry has been stopped and the place should

655
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Speaker 2: be dead, regardless of how much forced the offense is

656
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Speaker 2: using to advance the ball past that point. You know

657
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: what it's for. You want to achieve Ford progress and

658
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 2: gain yards to get a first down or touchdown. Nobody

659
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Speaker 2: is better at it than Philadelphia. Now there seems to

660
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Speaker 2: be a conflation between ford progress and the touch push.

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Speaker 2: The touch push it's merely a tactic. It's a play,

662
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: it's a strategy. It's a method to get short yardage

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Speaker 2: to move the offense forward. Ford progress is a rule

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Speaker 2: that's something that a referee has to decide to declare

665
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Speaker 2: has taken play, thus riding the play over wire, so blown,

666
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Speaker 2: no more progress. You got to deem the play dead.

667
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Speaker 2: But that's created a dynamic that makes this play so successful.

668
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: In short yardge situations, you get your yard or two,

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Speaker 2: and then when the play is blown dead or before,

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Speaker 2: the defense could perhaps push you back. You know, it's

671
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Speaker 2: a situation where you can't lose yards after you've gained

672
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Speaker 2: them if the ball spoted in the proper, proper place.

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Speaker 2: All right, the touch push is a legal play. Although

674
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Speaker 2: the player is pushing the ball carrier, they have to

675
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Speaker 2: be at least one yard behind the quarterback at the snap.

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Speaker 2: The controversy is people see it as boring, people see

677
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Speaker 2: it as maybe a non football play. People see it

678
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Speaker 2: as a player that exploits the rules, and people are

679
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Speaker 2: calling for it to be banned. But the truth of

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Speaker 2: the matter is if other teams did it, maybe as

681
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Speaker 2: well as the Eagles do, maybe there would not be

682
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Speaker 2: such a controversy. Okay, controversy has become the operative word

683
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Speaker 2: because there are many critics that argue that it's an

684
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Speaker 2: unfair exploitation of the forward progress rule. A defender can

685
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Speaker 2: stop the ballcarrier's momentum, but you can't move the ball backwards,

686
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: while offensive players pushing the ball carrier forward can effectively

687
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: gain yards even against the stacked defense. And some people

688
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: even liking it to a rugby scrum. And they've raised

689
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Speaker 2: concern about player safety, which is pure bs. There's no

690
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Speaker 2: data to hold that up. The way I see it

691
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Speaker 2: is it may be an advantage for the Eagles because

692
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Speaker 2: they got a quarterback that can lay press about seven

693
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Speaker 2: hundred pounds and they execute it well. And I said

694
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Speaker 2: this last year when the owners were gonna, I thought

695
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: the owners are going to vote it down. Now one

696
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 2: individual who's completely lost his mind about this is Adam Schefter.

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Speaker 2: He went on the comment last week when the Chiefs lost.

698
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Speaker 2: He said, the Chiefs didn't lose that game Sunday quote,

699
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 2: they lost the game when the NFL owners refused to

700
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Speaker 2: ban the touch push yesterday. That game was lost in March,

701
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Speaker 2: is what Adam Schefter said. And he went on to

702
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Speaker 2: say there might be a lot of games that the

703
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Speaker 2: Eagles play that are lost in March because this play

704
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: is unstoppable. Well, why why can other teams not execute

705
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Speaker 2: it the same way? Philadelphia? And I'm not an Eagles fan,

706
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Speaker 2: but I'm trying to maintain an objectivity. They just do

707
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Speaker 2: it better. I mean, if you got you know, Randy

708
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 2: Johnson pitching in Twilight, you got an unfair advantage. Find

709
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: yourself a Randy Johnson. But here's what Adam Schefter went

710
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Speaker 2: on to say. It I'm going to quote him forbatim quote,

711
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Speaker 2: not only does the defense not know how to handle it,

712
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Speaker 2: but even the officials don't know how to handle it.

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Speaker 2: He's got a point there, said, you see that Eagles

714
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: linemen jump off sides every play, and nothing's called. I

715
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: don't know if they jump off sides every play, but

716
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: I've seen it happen and seen it not called. But

717
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: if we're going to go down that rabbit hole, we

718
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 2: see pass interference, in holding and lots of things happen

719
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 2: not called. But Schefter's perception is that it's not called

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Speaker 2: because the officials have no idea how to really prosecute

721
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: this play. Defenses have no idea how to stop it.

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Speaker 2: The Eagles get to do whatever they want on every

723
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Speaker 2: single play. And the tushbush. But keep in mind, you

724
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Speaker 2: really only call the tushbush if you need like a

725
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Speaker 2: yard yard to half type of thing. It's not something

726
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 2: you're coming out of the gate running part of your offense.

727
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: But it's one of those great weapons. It's just basically

728
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: a glorified quarterback sneak. Again, it's more than that. I

729
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 2: get that. Some people think it's a rugby play. Some

730
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 2: people think it's cheating. Some people think the rule of

731
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: forward progress has been breached when you know the Eagles

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Speaker 2: are taking UNFA advantage. So I really want to get

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Speaker 2: your thoughts. This is the topic. I think people are

734
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Speaker 2: going to raise their eyebrow most on the toush push

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Speaker 2: be banned. Will it be banned? Or The bottom line

736
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Speaker 2: is you have a situation where maybe just other teams

737
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: figure out how to do it better. I know Colin

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Speaker 2: this week kept comparing it to the defensive shift in baseball.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe that's a comparison at all. The defensive

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00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 2: shift in baseball gave the team was compromised defensively. It's

741
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 2: just another of the hitters wanted to take advantage of it.

742
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: They were stubborn and pulled the ball, but they wanted

743
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Speaker 2: to look more like baseball, so they went back and

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00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: you know the rules, all right? So those are your

745
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: three topics, Tom Brady, is he a conflict of interest

746
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: when he's part of Fox Sports meetings pre calls with

747
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 2: coaches getting data and then sitting in the owner's box too.

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Speaker 2: Shodor Sanders allegedly was going to be drafted by the

749
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Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens one forty one overall, but he told him no,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to sit behind Lamar Jackson. We don't

751
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: know if that happened, but it's out there. He didn't

752
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: deny it. And then three the touch push. Is it unfair?

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Speaker 2: Should it be banned? Do you like it? Do you

754
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 2: not like it? Let's make you commissioner. What are your thoughts?

755
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Speaker 2: Or is this all just another tempest in a teapot

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Speaker 2: eight seven seven nine nine six six three six nine

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Speaker 2: eight seven seven ninety nine Fox ninety nine on Fox,

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Speaker 2: it is time. The midnight hour is here. We want

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Speaker 2: to hear from you on these three topics. Keep it locked.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the Bernie Frittle Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's right, you heard the man. My name is

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Speaker 2: Bernie Fridder. We're coming to you line from the Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio studios here in Las Vegas, and the Bernie

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Speaker 2: Friddle Show keeps rolling right along. We'll take kept to

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Speaker 2: three m Pacific, six am Eastern. Lots of stuff to

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Speaker 2: get to. Callers are lining up because you know what,

768
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Speaker 2: it's that time a week and the callers are the stars,

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Speaker 2: and they continued to be the stars. Real simple, it's

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Speaker 2: the midnight hour. So we've got the Tom Brady controversy.

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Speaker 2: He gets to interview and be part of pre game

772
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 2: preparation previod information, then sit in the owner's box, coaches box.

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Speaker 2: What's your issue with that? Shudor Sanders allegedly is going

774
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: to be drafted by the Baltimore Ravers the one forty

775
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 2: one and says, no, I'm too good for that. I

776
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: ain't sitting behind Lamar allegedly, but he to deny it.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts on that? But the big one, the Toush

778
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: push the controversy. You know where we're going, Toush push

779
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: forward progress, illegal, legal, your thoughts? You want it banned?

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Speaker 2: We waste no time. We begin with Steve in Kansas City.

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Speaker 10: Steve let it red, Buddy Berdie, pleasure to talk to.

782
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 11: You, bet you you know Tom Brady?

783
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Speaker 9: You know, I just I don't.

784
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Speaker 11: I don't really care. I just don't think he's a

785
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 11: very good announcer. And that's my main beef with Brady.

786
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Speaker 11: I think he's very very average. He needs to focus

787
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Speaker 11: on his announcing. That would be my my note there.

788
00:41:54,400 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 11: Right Thedeers had had taken a taken the penalty for it.

789
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 11: You know the guy, the guy lost ten million Bucks.

790
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 11: So I'll just I'll just let let that one go.

791
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Speaker 11: The the tush push should definitely be. This thing has

792
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 11: gotten out of control. I mean everyone the league office

793
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 11: apologized to Andy Reid saying they're cheating, you know. I mean,

794
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 11: the thing is just they need to ban it. It's

795
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 11: just has just gotten totally out of hand, and they

796
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 11: should have They should have banned it on the in

797
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Speaker 11: the last meeting, last meeting cycle. And I'm going to

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Speaker 11: do a wild We'll have a wild card topic here

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Speaker 11: with Bill Belichick and Dabo Sweeney. Or is the game

800
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Speaker 11: passing these guys by Bill Belichick is last an offense

801
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Speaker 11: to the NCAA and has his talent evaluators his people

802
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 11: can't keep up with the game anymore. Or Dabo is

803
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 11: just as egos is that of control. I think there's

804
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 11: a theme developing in the college game here that that

805
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 11: maybe maybe this is this isn't such a good environment

806
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 11: for NFL coaches. They can't bring they can't bring sixty

807
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 11: or seventy transfers on it. It just doesn't work. And

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00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 11: even with their even with their legendary Hall of Fame

809
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 11: coaching ability, I think is this military thing looks like

810
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 11: a disaster.

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Speaker 2: So I think so too. All right, thanks a lot

812
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 2: of Steve good stuff. Listen, I would you say this quickly?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

814
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Speaker 2: Look at the Texas Tech model. Pete Rose said it best.

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Speaker 2: Coaching college football is like driving a stage coach. Without

816
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 2: the horses. You ain't going forward this day and age.

817
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: You got to pay for the horses. You got to

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00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: pay through the nose. Shannon de moy and welcome in.

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Speaker 12: How are you good, sir?

820
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Speaker 13: How are you this morning?

821
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Speaker 2: Good? What are your thoughts on these topics?

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Speaker 13: If Tom Brady is assisting the Raiders, he's as useless.

823
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 12: To the Raiders as he is a broadcasting in general.

824
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Speaker 13: If she doesn't want to sit behind Lamar Jackson and

825
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 13: coach Harbaugh, he'll be playing spring football in the next

826
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 13: three years. And of course, the city fans like Steve

827
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 13: are the most upset about the touch push. It's legal

828
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 13: right now, so let's roll with it. When it becomes illegal,

829
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Speaker 13: then let's see what Jalen's made up. Other than that,

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Speaker 13: I don't have much for.

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Speaker 9: You, Burne.

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Speaker 13: I'm out here delivering newspapers, so thanks for entertaining.

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Speaker 2: It, short and sweet, excellent. Well, I gotta tell you

834
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: it is legal it's not illegal. Now they're crossing some

835
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Speaker 2: gray areas. And obviously if the Eagles jump off sides

836
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Speaker 2: and it's not called. But with all due respect to

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Speaker 2: the good folks in Kansas City, it's a little rich

838
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: to complain about that. See, it's one thing to get

839
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 2: calls your way, but you got to take advantage of

840
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 2: them too, And the Eagles did the Chiefs used to,

841
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: so I never beefed about that. I've got a little

842
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: commentary later in the show. What's interesting is the league

843
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: might not vote on it this year in the off season,

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Speaker 2: so you may be around for a while. Jim in

845
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Speaker 2: Massachusetts in the third hole tonight. Welcome in, Jim. How

846
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: are you?

847
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Speaker 6: Uh you're doing?

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Speaker 10: Bernie? Hey, listen Brady being in the owner's booths and

849
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 10: stuff like that, like who cares? Who really cares? That's

850
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 10: not doing anything to the game, or it's fun the

851
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 10: Raiders or anything else. If you want to talk about

852
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 10: Brady at all at any time, you talk about soft football.

853
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 10: Believe me, I'm from New England. If you want to

854
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 10: talk about Brady, talk about soft soft football other than that,

855
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 10: you know, let the guy be, Let.

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Speaker 14: Him go do what he's doing.

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00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 15: Uh, Sanders, So.

858
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 2: You would say, real, real, simply you're you're you're surmising

859
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: that whatever information Brady is gathering, and whatever information allegedly

860
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 2: he may or may not share it while rubbing elbows

861
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: with the owners and coaches, you don't think it's going

862
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: to have any measurable effect.

863
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 10: No, I don't think so. I think he's just, you know,

864
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 10: one of those guys that that's a hanger on at

865
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 10: that level. I mean, you got to know Brady if

866
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 10: you're from New England followed all the years.

867
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 16: Like.

868
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: Jim I was. I was at Double Well, I was

869
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: a W T K and Arbor when Brady was there

870
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: at Michigan, and he was a nerd, but a good nerd.

871
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 2: I mean that he can play the game. Let's let's

872
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: face it.

873
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 17: But well, that's that's that's a good way to put it.

874
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 10: Burning a nerd. He's just it.

875
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:07,959
Speaker 17: He's not devious.

876
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 10: It's not in his DNA to be devious and do

877
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 10: stuff like he just can't and even if he does.

878
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 15: You'd see it right away.

879
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 10: So I think it's just a bunch of nothing. So Sanders,

880
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 10: who can't I said that, and then he's playing with

881
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 10: Depresso whoever he said that to making a big thing

882
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 10: out of nothing. The only reason they're doing that is

883
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 10: because of his last name. If he was like, you know,

884
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 10: Joe James or somebody like that, it wouldn't even be

885
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 10: an issue. It's just playing with the kids cause of

886
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 10: his last name. Why, I don't know.

887
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 17: All right, but uh, the touch pushes.

888
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 10: You know what, let's run this out up the flagpole.

889
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 10: Why do you play defense the three downs before it

890
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 10: gets to the touch push? All right, try that for

891
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 10: a while, you know, try playing defense before it gets

892
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 10: to the touch push. All this crap about that now?

893
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 10: The only thing, my my only issue with the touch push.

894
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 10: It should be like the NC double A. You can't

895
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,959
Speaker 10: aid the runner. I mean, if you're if the line

896
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 10: to push it all like that, it's not.

897
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: It's not against the rule. As long as you don't

898
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: pull the runner, you can't push from behind it. And

899
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 2: here's what's interesting, Jim. Every team can do it, it's

900
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: just not legals do it so much better.

901
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,919
Speaker 10: Right, But if you want, if you want to change

902
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 10: it at all, just don't know aiding the runner. Just

903
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 10: leave it like that, No aiding the runner and see

904
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 10: how that goes. Don't change the rule. Completely, but just

905
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 10: don't aid the runner.

906
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: Anymore, all right, jim fair enough, very fair enough, good

907
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: stuff as as always. And uh, look, you bring up

908
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: the best point which I said a few minutes ago.

909
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 2: The torch push is only effective if you need a yard.

910
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: Get your tea. You know, defenses, play defense, get your

911
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: get your opponent in bad down, in distance situations, we

912
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: stay in the Great Commonwealth of Massachusetts. We go back

913
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: to Boston. Jimmy in Boston, joins us.

914
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 18: Welcome in, Jimmy, how are you with a pleasure to

915
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 18: talk here?

916
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 19: You keep me company while I drop my truck overnight.

917
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 19: Listen the torch push. I hate it beyond belief.

918
00:47:58,880 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 7: I can't stand it.

919
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 19: I don't care.

920
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 17: It could be my.

921
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 19: Team on the virget winning the Super Bowl.

922
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 9: I hate to play.

923
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 20: I hate to play.

924
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 19: It's a cheating it's it's a rugby play that that

925
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 19: blurs the lines of regality of the rules. But more importantly,

926
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 19: forget all that. More importantly, it's taking out one of

927
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 19: the most exciting plays our series of downs in football,

928
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 19: the old fashioned goal line stands. How many times have

929
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 19: we seen in playoff games and big games that goal

930
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 19: line stand man?

931
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 20: The man.

932
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 19: He drama and this takes all the drama of the

933
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 19: game is boring. I hate it, and add the fact

934
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 19: that's notinmen officiated so Bernie, I hate it the unbelief.

935
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 19: And I don't know why a twenty pounds man needs

936
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 19: three two hundred and fifty pound men to help him

937
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 19: go and get a yard if he can't do it

938
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 19: on his own, you know, then you know something that's.

939
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 17: Uh that's too bad.

940
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 19: But I hate it. I can't stand that Tom Brady

941
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 19: much about nothing, Bernie. Teams are not I beg to

942
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 19: tell him anything, to show made that I want treat

943
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 19: him like a scout, treat him like a whatever the

944
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 19: press man. You know, he takes what you give him.

945
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 19: So again I think with that a call sentence because

946
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 19: it's Tom Brady. Yeah, it's a big issue and to

947
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 19: do a stand this, I could care less about.

948
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 17: The guy one way or the other.

949
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 6: So God bless him.

950
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 7: You know.

951
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 19: Teams can do what they want with them, and but

952
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 19: I'm I'm tired of him. To tell you the truth.

953
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: Good stuff, Jimmy, keep the faith, buddy, appreciate you listening

954
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: out there in uh In in Boston, uh Mark and

955
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 2: Maryland Joint. Just welcome into the Bernie Fratto Show. Marco,

956
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: are you.

957
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 6: I'm fine, Bernie, thank you so much. Okay, I thank

958
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 6: you the best. Okay, Uh the toush push. I'm a

959
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 6: Reskin fan. Okay, I didn't say Commanders. I'm a Riskin fan.

960
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 6: I've been watching since the septies.

961
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 2: Love it. I love it.

962
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 6: So they had a play. Joe Gibbs is probably top three,

963
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 6: top five coach in my opinion. Okay, because he did

964
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 6: it with three different quarterbacks. Super Bowl. Okay, Now we

965
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 6: had a play called it tro the counter tray. Okay.

966
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 6: Couldn't nobody deal with it? Okay. Now, I don't like

967
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 6: to just put the toot bush because it's an Eagles thing.

968
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 6: But all I'm saying is if you can't stop it,

969
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 6: you can't stop it. Okay. It's about execution. You know.

970
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 6: If the league had a problem with it, ban it. Okay,

971
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 6: I mean, I mean, if you can't stop it, you

972
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 6: can't stop it. You know what I mean. Other other

973
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 6: teams can do this, but just because they execute better,

974
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 6: you can't analyze them. Okay if you want to, and

975
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 6: they God damn excuse me.

976
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: So perfect common sense, Listen, you make perfect.

977
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 6: Shakur Sanders. I still think it's a byproduct of his

978
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 6: father because he was so so, so controversial. But but

979
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 6: he's not any news. You know. It's a lazy argument

980
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 6: to me. And I don't know what the third point was,

981
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 6: but but refresh my memory.

982
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 2: Tom Brady any unfair a game?

983
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 6: Oh, Tom Brady is a minority owner. This is what

984
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 6: he's supposed to do. Okay. I don't think there has

985
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 6: any advantage. I think it's bs okay to be honest. Okay.

986
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 6: I mean anything Tom Brady can say is not quite

987
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 6: good information. These teams know this already, so I think

988
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 6: it's about nothing.

989
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 2: Okay, Mar, good stuff, excellent call. Thank you, Christ and Boston.

990
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: You're up next. Welcome in.

991
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 16: Hey, how you doing, Bernie thinks shoving me on my friend?

992
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 2: All right, nice to talk to you, Thanks for calling.

993
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 8: All right, so Berndie.

994
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 16: I just wanted to touch on the on the the

995
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 16: touch push thing. I just want to touch on that.

996
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,959
Speaker 16: I think a couple of others I've already made points

997
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 16: about it. Let me let me give you a scenario.

998
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 16: My friend, you got you've got to play going on,

999
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 16: you know, the call hot quarterback gets the ball two

1000
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 16: guys run up behind him, lift him up, put him

1001
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 16: on their shoulders, and carry him down the field.

1002
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 21: Does that sound fair?

1003
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 2: Well no, but no, but it's all it's also not legal,

1004
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: my friend, so interestingly really understand.

1005
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 16: But we understand Bernie that that is not legal because

1006
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 16: when we're talking about ford progress forward progress should just

1007
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 16: be what you are able to do under your own power.

1008
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 16: Are you able to juke? Are you able to run?

1009
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 16: Are you able to move and avoid defenders? Are you

1010
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 16: able to yourself get that ball downfield.

1011
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 11: And make the play.

1012
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 16: If you've got other players behind you shoving you, pushing you,

1013
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 16: aiding you in getting downfield, that doesn't feel fair to

1014
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 16: me at all. It feels like it feels like if

1015
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 16: we were playing soccer and then we just had all

1016
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 16: twelve guys in the team just form a circle around

1017
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 16: the one dude with the ball, and then he just

1018
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 16: took it all the way down to the net. Like

1019
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 16: you know what I mean, Hey, I feel like to

1020
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 16: touch push something. Maybe they should look at it, Maybe

1021
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 16: they should. Honestly, you want to you want to show

1022
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 16: some athletics, how about you jump over those defenders and

1023
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 16: go get that point at the goal line.

1024
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 5: That's what it should be.

1025
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 2: And it's not always on the goal line either. So

1026
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: you bring up some good points. That's the only one

1027
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 2: you want to check out on tonight.

1028
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 16: Yeah, that's all. That's all, Barnie. Thank you very much,

1029
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 16: my friend.

1030
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 2: All right, Jeff and Denver joins us. Welcome in, Jeff,

1031
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 2: how are you hey, I'm good.

1032
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 20: I've called in before.

1033
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: Good show, yep, I remember you.

1034
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 20: But the touch push thing, leave it. Football is all

1035
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 20: about designing a play the other team can't stop to gain.

1036
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 14: Yards, is it not?

1037
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: Yes, it is. And it's simplest common denominator. No one

1038
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 2: can argue with what you just said there.

1039
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 20: Okay, So if Philadelphia has a play that you can't stop,

1040
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 20: why not run it?

1041
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: Leave it alone?

1042
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 15: If you can't.

1043
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 2: Okay, you're not You're not wrong. But here's here's the

1044
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: thing is, I'm just trying to maintain an objectivity stand

1045
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 2: on line. The bottom line is Jalen Jalen Hurts gained

1046
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: that one yard on that you know, and they got

1047
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 2: the first down, they clinched the twenty to seventeen win.

1048
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 2: But on the play right Drew Trankwell, a Chiefs linebacker,

1049
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: ripped the ball out of Jalen Hurt's hands, but Ford

1050
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 2: progress had already been stopped, and Dean Blandino says, I'm

1051
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 2: done with the push to a touch push because they

1052
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: don't know how to officiate it. So I've just said,

1053
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 2: we've got all this Michigan gofs entering the conversation, you

1054
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: got the floor, continue on, Jeff.

1055
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 20: But if it's a play that you can't stop ninety

1056
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 20: what is it ninety six percent or ninety eight percent?

1057
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: There? Yeah, when the Eagles run it, I mean if

1058
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 2: Buffalos run it many times to not the great success.

1059
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: I think Miami. I gave these stats back in March

1060
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 2: when they voted on it. There are multiple teams that

1061
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 2: haven't tried to employ it. They just don't do it

1062
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 2: anywhere nearly as well as the Eagles. And I'm with you.

1063
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 2: You figure out how to do it, or figure out

1064
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 2: how to stop it.

1065
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 20: Continue right if I'm If it's a play you can't

1066
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 20: stop my play, then I figured out a way to

1067
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 20: do something you can't stop. That's what the game is

1068
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 20: all about.

1069
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: Leave it alone.

1070
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 20: I love it. It's like, you know what we're gonna do.

1071
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 2: You see the formation.

1072
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 20: We're not going to tricky. We're not going to fake

1073
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 20: a running back around the end, throw a pass or anything.

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Speaker 20: We're bringing it bring you know.

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00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 2: It is mono a mono, No, no doubt about that,

1076
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: No doubt about that. Hey, anything else on Tom Brady

1077
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 2: or Shore Sanders Tom Brady.

1078
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 20: I've never been a fan of mister Uggs, a man,

1079
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 20: you know, doing a personal for a lady shoe company. No, No,

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00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:35,240
Speaker 20: that's mister.

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00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 2: No, all right, are is it on your door?

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00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 6: Yeah? It's like, well, I mean Hayton did it.

1083
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 20: There's a lot of quarterbacks that said they don't want

1084
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:45,919
Speaker 20: to go anywhere else.

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Speaker 6: We didn't.

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00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, that's just right, that's just right. I

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00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: appreciate you. Good stuff, Jeff, and I know you've called before.

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00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 2: Don't be a stranger. We do this so every Saturday night,

1089
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 2: midnight Pacific. We're going to continue on with this ron

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00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 2: in Rochester. Sure you're up next Junior in Michigan and

1091
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 2: another Broncos fan in Colorado. The maynight hour is off

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Speaker 2: and running. I want to remind you folks be sure

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Speaker 2: Game again. Ron in Rochester, Junior in Michigan, another Broncos

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Speaker 2: fan in Colorado. You're up next, Colin and Virginia Begdoff.

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00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: Callback would love to hear from you. The Maynight Hour

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Speaker 2: is gonna continue. I'm Bernie Fratto. We are company line

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Speaker 2: from Las Vegas. Fox Sports Radio Studios here in Las Vegas,

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00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,120
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Speaker 2: Are back on the Bernie Frattle Show. The MANNT Hour

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00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 2: rolls on waste no time Back out to the phone lines,

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00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 2: joined by Ron in Rochester. Ron, thanks for hanging on.

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Speaker 2: What do you got for us tonight?

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00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 9: Bernie HALLI, It's always a pleasure to hear you when

1113
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 9: I'm drunk at three in the morning.

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00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 2: Uh, good to hear.

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Speaker 13: So.

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00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 9: I grew up in Rochester and my dad was a

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00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 9: very Pennsylvania and my mom was from Pittsburgh, so I

1118
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 9: was a Steelers fan was a little kid. I said, Dad,

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00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 9: why don't they just take Swanny and just one big

1120
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 9: guy throw Why don't they get Jo Green to throw

1121
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 9: him over the goal line. He said, well, that'll be

1122
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 9: it'll be pretty rough out old brother Swanni.

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Speaker 6: But that's the point.

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00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 9: Recently they said, you can't climb on a guy the

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00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 9: block kick. Same thing. You can't push a man to

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Speaker 9: help in the play.

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00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 7: He can't do it.

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Speaker 9: So that's where the illegality comes in. Pushing him is

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00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 9: where it comes in. Same thing. They stopped climbing on

1130
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 9: the guy block kick. My dad didn't tell me why

1131
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 9: they couldn't throw Swanny over the line, but you know,

1132
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 9: he just says it's going you know. So that's the deal.

1133
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 9: You can't hate a per player by doing that. Second

1134
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 9: of all, Tom Brady and Bill Belichick are convicted cheaters.

1135
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 9: Why are they're giving him any slacking is beyond me.

1136
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 9: They are convicted cheaters. Oh I've got to tell you,

1137
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 9: I am the man who says sports radio, did we

1138
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 9: have to talk about this for We're.

1139
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 2: Not gonna have time tonight because I got so many callers.

1140
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 2: But you saved that good stuff for another time, Ron,

1141
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: because I got to keep moving. But anything, I promise,

1142
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 2: I'll let you do it at some point. But tonight

1143
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 2: we're just jammed. Friend. Anything on Jeff Sanders, anything on Sanders.

1144
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 9: I think he's talented, but you know they have to

1145
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 9: force it.

1146
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: I mean, he was going to be drafted allegedly by

1147
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 2: the Ravens. Do you believe it? He said no, don't take.

1148
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 9: Me because because his head was so big at the time,

1149
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 9: he thought it could be starting right away.

1150
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Well, it could be. It

1151
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 2: could be it.

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00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 9: Hey, by the way, Syracuse, thank god they want today.

1153
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 9: I hate the nil. I feel like the Pittsford by

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00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 9: Chad with the Way challenge.

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Speaker 2: Not all right? Ron, Hey, good stuff, got a lot

1156
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 2: of good stuff in there. Junior in Michigan Joints is

1157
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 2: welcome and Jr.

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00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 18: Hey, how's it going?

1159
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: All right?

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00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 18: First of all, Brady, I don't think he should be

1161
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 18: doing that with the doing the headphone thing and all

1162
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 18: this stuff.

1163
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 6: I mean, if.

1164
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 18: He's he's maority owner of a team, he shouldn't need broadcasting.

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00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 5: I don't think so.

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Speaker 18: I'm gonna totally against it.

1167
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that don't like the optics.

1168
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 2: So anything on your door, anything on the toush.

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Speaker 18: Push, Okay, I'm gonna go there.

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Speaker 15: Uh Shakur.

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00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 18: He's a talented kid, and hopefully.

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Speaker 15: He does better and hopefully his future is good.

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00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 18: As far as the towch bush, as far as I

1174
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 18: gotta say, First of all, I'm a Cowboys saying I

1175
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 18: don't care for it. But did you see today Oklahoma

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Speaker 18: or not Oklahoma Auburn actually try to put it in

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Speaker 18: a tight end.

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Speaker 6: In the backfield.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, that can happen, but I kind of want

1180
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Speaker 2: to standpoint there big, so I let anything on the topics.

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Speaker 20: We got, Okay.

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Speaker 18: I'm just saying, I mean it's even going to the college.

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, the play is just technically legal.

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01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 2: It's just how do the fans feel about it? How

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01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 2: do the callers feel about that kind of stuff?

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01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 18: I just don't like the idea of like, well, like

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01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 18: other people say, you know, it's play and simple.

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Speaker 2: Right, you're in the junior I hear you, man, good stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's just we're we're jammed, and I want to make

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Speaker 2: sure I get to everybody. Thank you for your opinions tonight.

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01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Another Broncos fan in Colorado joins us again.

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01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 2: Welcome back in.

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01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 15: How are you I'm doing fun? How about yourself?

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01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 6: Good?

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01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on our topics tonight?

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Speaker 15: Well, you know something, before we get into three tops,

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Speaker 15: I just tuned in, so the other three I'll I'll

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Speaker 15: address that.

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Speaker 14: But you don't.

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Speaker 15: I think there's a pivotal game tomorrow in the EFC.

1201
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 15: And I'm a huge Broncos fan. But the Chargers if

1202
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 15: they can mow through the EFC West and go three

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01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 15: and oh and you know what Kansas City's looking at?

1204
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 6: Oh and two? Wow?

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01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 15: But anyway, go Broncos. Anyway, the other three topics, all.

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01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 2: Right, go ahead, we got to walk through these fast,

1207
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 2: big fellow. You got Schudor Sanders, you got Tom Brady.

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01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 2: And then touch.

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01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 6: Push touch push.

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Speaker 15: If it's illegal, if they can't stop it, t bad,

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01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 15: do something to combat it. If they can't do it,

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01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 15: if it's illegal, Okay, chadar standers. Obviously, I'm from Colorado.

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01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 15: I'm a huge fan of his. I hope he does

1214
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 15: won the NFL. The third one. Tom Brady, I don't know,

1215
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 15: you know, if he's a leaking things. If he isn't,

1216
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 15: I really don't know if he is. Well, it's illegal opting.

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01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 2: The optics don't necessarily bother you too much, is what

1218
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 2: you're saying. It's not the feel like a real uh issue.

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01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 6: Something that something that's the key issue?

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Speaker 17: Uh NFL.

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01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 15: Do you want to investigate it? And I don't know.

1222
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 15: I don't know enough about it. I don't have an

1223
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 15: opinion when Sair enough appreciate you in the past, you

1224
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 15: know the patriots in the past. Yes, they have taking advantage,

1225
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 15: they have cheated. I hope Brady is ipe. He's smarter

1226
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 15: than that. You know, the situation, that uh coach situation.

1227
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Speaker 15: Don't do something stupid, Tom, Okay, all right.

1228
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 2: But all right, thanks so much for checking. I appreciate

1229
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 2: you man. Bring you back out to Vegas. Kyle, Kyle,

1230
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 2: what's happening, buddy. I'm sure you got some strong thoughts

1231
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 2: on this stuff today.

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01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 17: Oh listen, I'll call you back in March when you

1233
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 17: did the original topic for the chest push and voting. Yeah,

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01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 17: then it was Hey, if you can't stop it, just

1235
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 17: join it. At this point, every call of that I've

1236
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 17: heard has said there for it, but they really didn't

1237
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 17: give a good explanation. The reason why I'm for it

1238
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 17: is because if it's third and three, your wide receiver

1239
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 17: catches the ball and you know it's a yard short,

1240
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 17: and the offensive line comes and pushes him as he's

1241
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 17: getting gang tackled, that's a legal play. They will give

1242
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 17: forward progress for that play. They will stop it if

1243
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 17: he stood up and he can't move no further. It's

1244
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 17: the same ramifications for the toush push. My only thing

1245
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 17: moving forward with it now that the league is claiming that, oh, well,

1246
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 17: we missed this false start. Is the only reason why

1247
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 17: this topic is being brought back up is it was

1248
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 17: a blatant false start. But there's a false start almost

1249
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 17: every play in the NFL. That is the absolute truth,

1250
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 17: and that is the absolute optic subject. Quickly, Sugar Sanders

1251
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 17: young man, I wish nothing but the best. I really

1252
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 17: don't got nothing to say about him at this point.

1253
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 17: I'm tired of the story. I wish you know, either

1254
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 17: the media will stop talking about it and just let

1255
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 17: the young man build upon their success, or just give

1256
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 17: the man a chance somewhere else and or create a

1257
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 17: developmental leak. NFL, for crying out loud, we've been asking

1258
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 17: for We'd watch it. We sit here and wait all

1259
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 17: year round for you to come back, you know, four

1260
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 17: or five months out of the year. So just just

1261
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 17: create a developmental league so you have guys to be

1262
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 17: able to take the next step that aren't quite ready

1263
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 17: for the NFL. Lastly, Tom Uncle Tommy, Uncle Tommy. I

1264
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 17: love you, dude, but sometimes you what's my favorite saying,

1265
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 17: have several seats, young sir, you are you are in

1266
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 17: the eyes of the public. For one. Number two, everything

1267
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 17: is weak nowadays, So if you have a private phone

1268
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 17: call that you think was private, it's not so private.

1269
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 17: So the Steve Bummer approach, put it in, put it

1270
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 17: in the air where only you and five other people

1271
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 17: allegedly are in the room together, I said, allegedly. Just

1272
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 17: clearing that up. Uh, if you are going weak information,

1273
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 17: you know who leaked it versus a phone call that

1274
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 17: gets passed on, that passed on and passed on, or

1275
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 17: whatever the inside information may be. At the end of

1276
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,479
Speaker 17: the day, love you Burne, you have a great show.

1277
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 17: If you can't stop the church push, don't get married.

1278
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't disagree with that. And from from what

1279
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 2: is worth, it's funny I didn't really put two and

1280
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 2: two together about Brady I didn't. I don't really care much.

1281
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 2: We actually a couple of owners who called it out

1282
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 2: and they they just they don't like the optics. Okay,

1283
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 2: simple as that. H Dick and Dayton Joints. Just welcome

1284
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 2: back in and Dick, I know you've called before. What's

1285
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 2: up man?

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Speaker 15: Oh?

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Speaker 8: How you doing, Bernie good? Yeah, I just was telling

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Speaker 8: your screener I'm more of my family was from Cleveland,

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01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 8: you know, in that area. I just think the Browns

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01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 8: need a new coach or they're worried about these quarterbacks.

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01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 8: But I've grown up with them, listening to them, you know,

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01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 8: and folt with them for years. But I want to

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01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 8: say something actulations to the Guardians. They were way out

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01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 8: of it there for a while. And maybe the Reds

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01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 8: could have a nice seventy one series. And about Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 8: It's gonna be hard for the Bengals this year, but

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Speaker 8: you know, it's just one of those things. I guess,

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01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 8: you know, Well, there's our tour of Ohio.

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Speaker 2: Any thoughts on this touch push matter?

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Speaker 8: I always was, you know, it's been a big rivalry

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01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 8: for the Browns and the Bengals, but I've never been

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01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 8: a Pittsburgh fan. But I can remember when Bernie Kozar

1303
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 8: was there. He was the only one who could ever

1304
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 8: beat then beat the Steelers.

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01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 2: Well, they'd have gone to the super Bowl if four

1306
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 2: and a Spider had dropped the ball in the gold

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01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 2: Line story for a different day. So anything on Shudor

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01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 2: or Tom Brady or the toush push. You want to

1309
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 2: see a van Like a lot of folks.

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Speaker 8: Tom Brady, I think's doing a good job, you know,

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01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 8: of doing the you know, the the games. I like

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01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 8: Tom Brady. I think he's doing good. But I just

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01:06:58,680 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 8: thought to check in.

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Speaker 2: All right, Thanks Dick, appreciate it. Man for you Ohio fans.

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01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 2: You covered the gamut there. Uh Mike the Leprechaun from Boston.

1316
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,919
Speaker 2: A lot of folks from Boston calling in tonight. What's up, Mike,

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01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 2: good morning?

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Speaker 7: Yes, different days and does cover a lot of books

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01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 7: to them.

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Speaker 19: To be honest, Yes, the tooth push.

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01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 7: I think there's only one aspect that would make it better.

1322
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 7: The players can't go airborne. Airborne, either on defense or offense.

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01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 7: That's where people get crushed at hard. So it should

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01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 7: it should be basically a ground place.

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01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 2: Well, the tooth push is earlier ground play. There there's

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01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 2: no issue there, Mike. No one's going airborne on the

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01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 2: toot push anything. They're going underground.

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01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 7: People are launching themselves in the air.

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01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 2: All right, You have any thoughts on Tom Brady. One

1330
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 2: minute he is in meetings, pre production meetings getting information.

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01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 2: Next meeting is in the coach coaches box, which seems

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01:07:57,600 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 2: to bother a lot of people.

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Speaker 5: And wouldn't need to.

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01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 6: It's a conflict of interest.

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01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 7: And as a as a commentator, he's very very vanilla,

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01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 7: very ordinary, and he's going to reON next summer. Do

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01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 7: you hear that there's a flag football tournament in Saudi area?

1338
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. Saw that.

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01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 7: Sanders is a spoil brush. Maybe he will get a

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01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 7: little bit of humility and grow up.

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Speaker 2: All right, Mike, thanks for checking in tonight and h

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Speaker 2: eight seven seven nine ninety six sixty three sixty nine

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01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,600
Speaker 2: where Cardio dropped off. Would love you to hear from you,

1344
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 2: and the same with Colin in Virginia. And I want

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01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 2: to remind the folks that with the iHeart Radio app,

1346
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,759
Speaker 2: you can stream us wherever you happen to be. Catch

1347
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 2: us in all of our Fox Sports Radio shows Live

1348
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 2: twenty four to seven in the noon. Improved iHeart Radio app.

1349
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 2: Just sarge Fox Sports Radio in the app to stream.

1350
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,959
Speaker 2: It's live all day every day. I'd be sure to

1351
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 2: so that Fox Sports Radio is one of your presets

1352
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 2: in the iHeart app, so we'll always pop up at

1353
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 2: the top of your screen. All right, we're moving on

1354
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 2: with a raucous midnight hour. We've got the situation on

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01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 2: the Tousch push. I kind of I kind of agree

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01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 2: with Kyle. I mean, if you don't like it, stop it,

1357
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 2: join it, figure it out for yourself. Where we ran

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01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:20,799
Speaker 2: into controversy last week is you have a situation where

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01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 2: it's one thing that the Again, this is just something

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01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 2: having to do with with people's observations and what the

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01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 2: newspapers are writing. Sure enough, the touch push happened. They

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01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 2: the chiefs weren't able to stop it. But the controversy

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01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 2: started when the referee seemed to miss something. And they're

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01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 2: in Lives Degra area. Uh, Bruce and Santa Monica. Let's

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01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 2: get you in here. You're up next. Welcome in.

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Speaker 15: How are you good?

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01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 22: How you doing? Regarding the Toush push. I think to

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01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 22: move up in the NFL coaching hierarchy over many many years,

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01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,799
Speaker 22: you have to be a kool aid, drink king, Stepford

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01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 22: Sheep and ingratiating Tony.

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01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 5: In order to move up.

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Speaker 17: Any Anybody that.

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01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 22: Goes against that in any way is branded as a troublemaker.

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01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 22: And that's just the way it works. You're not it's

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01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 22: a brilliant play, but you're branded as a troublemaker if

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01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 22: you do anything different.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair anything on sdor Standers or Tom Brady and

1378
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 2: the many hats.

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01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 22: Of course, yeah, I can put them together. I'd say

1380
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 22: that Tom Brady and Shudor Sanders are both uh jerks

1381
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 22: who have a disturbing sense of of of entitlement and

1382
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 22: think that they have a can do whatever they want.

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01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 20: That's all all right.

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01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 2: I appreciate you wearing in tonight. Don't be a stranger.

1385
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 2: We do this every Saturday night at twelve midnight Pacific time.

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01:10:56,160 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 2: When we continue Tony and Alabama, you will be up next.

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01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 2: I am Bernie Fridder. We're coming to your line from

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01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 2: the Las Vegas Fox Sports Radio Studios. Keep it locked.

1389
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 2: You're listening to the Bernie Frattle Show on Fox Sports Radio.

1390
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 2: We're back in the Bernie Faddle Show Fox Sports Radio,

1391
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,799
Speaker 2: coming to you live from the Las Vegas Fox Sports

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01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 2: Radio studios take you up to three am Pacific, six

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01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 2: am Eastern. We are wrapping up on what's been another

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01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 2: outstanding mind that hour thanks to the callers. We go

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01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 2: out to Alabama. Tony joins us from Alabama. Good evening,

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01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 2: Good morning, Tony. How are you.

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Speaker 23: I'm doing great?

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01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 21: So how about yourself?

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Speaker 2: Doing great? Thank you?

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Speaker 23: I just want to say you have a great show

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01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 23: and really enjoy listening to you.

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01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.

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01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 23: On the toos push you got to be able to

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01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 23: stop it. Be like Tampa Bay, they're the only ones

1405
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 23: that seem to know how to stop the play. I

1406
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 23: have no problem with it. If it's legal, it's legal.

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01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all about pat level and leverage. I mean,

1408
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 2: you got a quarterback that can bench press the city block.

1409
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 2: That kind of gives you an advantage. But you're not wrong.

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01:11:55,479 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 23: Continue on on your door standers. He probably did tell

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01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 23: the Ravens not to drop him.

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Speaker 6: Good kid.

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01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 23: I wish nothing but the best. I think he's talented,

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01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 23: and he gets way too much criticism because who his

1415
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 23: father is, and it's it's sad to see that.

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01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the personalized attacks are warranted. I question

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01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 2: whether he's a major league quarterback. And there's guys dropping

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01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 2: like flies. Trust me, if he's gonna play, he's gonna

1419
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 2: get it. Tysonvagent is in the league. Okay, he probably

1420
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 2: gives the Bears a better chance of winning the Caleb Williams, So,

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01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 2: I liked what you brought up in terms about how

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01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 2: people are personalizing shod Or and which is probably unnecessary.

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01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 2: And that's conflated with you know his father, who's a

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01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer, and then you know what expectations are

1425
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 2: based on what he told us to come out of college.

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Speaker 2: Continue on, Tony.

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01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 21: As far as Tom Brady goes, his football IQ is

1428
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 21: off the charts. I'm not sure what he really could

1429
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 21: gain by visiting what all these other organizations. I really

1430
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 21: don't see what the big deal is.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's a big deal leader. Thanks checked in, Tony.

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01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 2: I think it's a tempest in the teapot. The only

1433
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 2: thing is is there's an injury, a potential cluster injury

1434
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 2: to a certain position, maybe something like that. But I think

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01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 2: we're really splitting. Here's here, all right, Odell and Virginia

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01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 2: wrap things up for us tonight on the midnight hour.

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01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 2: Thanks for hanging on. Good evening, welcome in.

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Speaker 14: Yes, how you doing, Bernie good?

1439
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 2: Doing well, sir you?

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01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 14: Yes, I'm doing fine. Yes, I'm a die hard mind

1441
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 14: the Dolphin fan. I think that they need to clean house.

1442
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 14: I think the dealing Madson needs to go, the coach

1443
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 14: need to go, and the tout push. I'm for the

1444
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 14: tout puts. One thing about the trist bus. If your

1445
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 14: offense can do it, go for it. It's the defense's

1446
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:50,799
Speaker 14: bill to stop the offense. So I'm one hundred percent forward,

1447
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 14: and it's your duel. I think he's a good guy,

1448
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 14: and I think he's talented. I just think the NFL

1449
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 14: just needs to give him a chant. As far as

1450
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 14: Tom Brady, I think he's doing a good job.

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01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 2: All right, thanks for checking in, Odell, appreciate it again.

1452
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 2: We do this. I know you're in the Eastern time zone.

1453
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 2: I believe Virginia. If not, well, regardless, you can all

1454
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 2: we can all figure it out. We kicked this off

1455
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 2: midnight Pacific every Sunday, well Saturday night into Sunday morning.

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01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 2: A couple thoughts, I'd like to weigh in on the

1457
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 2: push toush. For one thing, I'm hearing that even though

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01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 2: the NFL voted on it, last March, and it's passed

1459
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 2: by a couple of votes, and we talked about it

1460
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 2: then whether or not it would pass or not. Now

1461
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 2: we're getting some controversy, but it turns out that there

1462
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 2: the NFL may not vote on it next year and

1463
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 2: during the off season. But here's the deal. There's a

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01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 2: push for stricter officiating, okay, but that doesn't mean they're

1465
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 2: going to ban the play in twenty twenty six. Even

1466
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 2: Adam Schefter said, quote, there's no assurances that the toush

1467
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 2: push that issue will be brought up for conversation or

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01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 2: a vote by the NFL is offseason. In fact, one

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01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 2: source told Schefter, it's my understanding that there was a

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01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 2: real hot conversation last week that was raised because the

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01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 2: emotions involved in the teams involved, and because people are

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01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 2: so emotionally jacked up about this thing, there is a

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01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 2: thought that they may even need to wait a year

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Speaker 2: so cooler heads can prevail. Remember, it only passed by

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Speaker 2: two votes last May, and it was proposed by the

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Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers president CEO Mark Murphy.

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Speaker 14: Right.

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Speaker 2: What's interesting is Murphy retired three months ago, four months ago,

1479
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 2: so he's no longer involved. So someone's gonna there has

1480
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 2: to be a predicate someone's gonna have to propose this

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01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 2: vote again, and it's going to require some team or

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01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 2: some other team or somebody in the NFL to put

1483
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 2: a proposal forward. And Adam Schefter said that there's been real,

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01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 2: no real movement to make it happen through the first

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01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 2: two weeks of this season, even though the way the

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01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 2: game ended against Kansas City last Sunday, really I think

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01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 2: left a lot of left the bad taste in a

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01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 2: lot of people's miles. Okay, last year the vote failed,

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Speaker 2: but there were ten teams that opposed it. Okay, the

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01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 2: Eagles or checked at the teams have voted for it.

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01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 2: Let's not do that roll call's that's too boring, all right,

1492
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 2: the Eagles, I think the thing to notote and a

1493
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 2: lot of callers aptly pointed this out. Other teams are

1494
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 2: trying it, they're just not successful at it. And you

1495
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 2: have a situation where member Kellen Moore, who was with

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Speaker 2: the Eagles last year he's our offensive coordinator now he's

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Speaker 2: with the Saints, tried a touch push Week one against

1498
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:57,719
Speaker 2: Arizona and they ended up getting flagged for off sides. Meanwhile,

1499
01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:59,679
Speaker 2: the Eagles continue to use the play. They have great

1500
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 2: six they seem to be buttoned up. They ran it

1501
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 2: six times against the Chiefs in one game alone. They

1502
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 2: got four first downs in a touchdown. But here's where

1503
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 2: it came under scrutiny. What appeared to be multiple miss

1504
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 2: start calls on the play in Week two false start calls.

1505
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 2: One miscall was pointed out actually by Tom Brady we

1506
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 2: were talking about on the Fox Sports broadcast. Another was

1507
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 2: flagged by the NFL, and a memo that was sent

1508
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 2: out to all thirty two teams heading into this week,

1509
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 2: according to a writer for the Washington Post by the

1510
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 2: name of Mark Maski, and the NFL told officials in

1511
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 2: training share what teams officials should call these plays tight.

1512
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 2: That's what is being called right now. So if you

1513
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 2: heard our referee guru, Joe Gibbs, well, I think it's

1514
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 2: going to be interesting to see how this is officiated

1515
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 2: Sunday against the Rams. Again. Don't get your hopes up.

1516
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 2: There doesn't appear at this time to be anybody putting

1517
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 2: forth a proposal next year for this to be voted down. Now.

1518
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 2: One of the reasons this really became a firestorm this

1519
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 2: week is because It happened in a game between the

1520
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 2: Chiefs and the Eagles, and the conversation that stood out.

1521
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 2: The Eagles were facing third and one, the game was

1522
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:22,919
Speaker 2: winding down, just a couple minutes to go, and everybody watching,

1523
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 2: everybody in the stands knew what was coming next to

1524
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 2: the tush push. Sure enough, Jalen Hurts gains one yard.

1525
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 2: That's their signature play. They clinched at twenty to seventeen

1526
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:36,440
Speaker 2: win against the Chiefs. But on that play, a linebacker

1527
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 2: for the Chiefs, Drew Tranquil seemingly ripped the ball out

1528
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 2: of Jalen Hurt's hands, but Ford progress had already been stopped,

1529
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 2: so instead of getting to turnover, the Kansas City believed

1530
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 2: they deserved ball game over game set match. But as

1531
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 2: the referees reviewed the play, Dean Blandino, the Fox TV

1532
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 2: broadcast rules analysts, was asked by commentators what he saw.

1533
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 2: He just FASEDID I'm done with a push push guys.

1534
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 2: He was frustrated for different reasons. He just basically said,

1535
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 2: it's hard to officiate. I think frankly, he's tired of

1536
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 2: seeing the Eagles run their specialty play against the Chiefs,

1537
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 2: which they ran seven times apparently all right, and it

1538
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 2: may ultimately lead to the push toush, which they've been

1539
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 2: doing the end of the push toush, which they'd been

1540
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 2: doing since twenty twenty one, and Hertz did it against

1541
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 2: the Saints and it worked, and they've been doing it

1542
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 2: ever since. They have the secret magic formula on how

1543
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 2: to do it. The Eagles only have to you know,

1544
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 2: every fourth and one situation, you know what they're going

1545
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 2: to do. But it is arguably, even though it's not exciting,

1546
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,720
Speaker 2: even though people think it looks like rugby, even though

1547
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 2: people hate it because most of the time it's working

1548
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 2: against their team, ask Eagle fans. They don't hate it.

1549
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 2: It's arguably the most effective offensive play of the past

1550
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 2: few seasons. And so look, it wasn't bothering people when

1551
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:56,679
Speaker 2: the Eagles only ran it once a game, twice a game,

1552
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 2: but seven times in one game. Now you're starting to

1553
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 2: get people's attention. So we'll see where it goes. Great

1554
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 2: job by the callers tonight, as always coming up, Mark

1555
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 2: Medina Medina Magic at the top of the hour. Keep

1556
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 2: it locked the Bernie Frattle Show on Fox Sports Radio.

1557
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 1: Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio.

1558
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 2: That's right. You heard the man. The Bernie Fraddles Show

1559
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 2: keeps rolling right along. My name is Bernie Frattle. We're

1560
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 2: come to your line from the Fox Sports Radio studios

1561
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 2: here in Las Vegas. Will take you up to three

1562
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 2: m Pacific, six am Eastern. We're gonna switch carriers ever

1563
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 2: so quickly because we're not that far away from NBA

1564
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 2: training camp and yet another NBA season in which the

1565
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 2: storylines are numerous, and that is why we bring in

1566
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 2: our guy. Yes, three words, it's that time. Little Medina Magic.

1567
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 2: Mark Medina are Fox Sports Radio NBA guru joins us

1568
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 2: pretty much every Saturday night here on heading into Sunday

1569
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 2: morning on the Bernie Frattles Show. Hey, Mark, how you

1570
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 2: ben man? It's been a couple of weeks, but we

1571
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 2: got a lot to talk to you tonight.

1572
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm sure a lot of free us to discuss,

1573
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 12: if you know what I mean.

1574
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:05,879
Speaker 2: Yes, we'll get to that. I have to start Mark

1575
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 2: with the Clippers because since we last talked, I've done

1576
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,720
Speaker 2: some intrepid investigating on my own and when I'm not

1577
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 2: going to cast dispersions or draw any conclusions, it just

1578
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 2: doesn't look good for the Clippers. Tell us what you know,

1579
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 2: and where this might hit.

1580
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 12: Well, it definitely doesn't look good for the Clippers because

1581
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 12: of the extent of reporting from Pablo Torri, which you know,

1582
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 12: has a lot of documents that show that Steve Ballmer

1583
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 12: made a pretty significant amount of investment and aspiration and

1584
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:40,679
Speaker 12: now defunct company, and they gave Kawhi Leonard several different

1585
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 12: payments for no show commitments. But you know, I think

1586
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 12: as far as the NBA is concerned, Adam Silver has

1587
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,679
Speaker 12: made it clear that it's the burden on the league

1588
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:55,719
Speaker 12: to prove all this evidence, and so you know, they're

1589
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 12: taking it seriously because they've hired an independent law firm.

1590
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 12: But the way Adam Silver's talking about it, he's been

1591
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:07,639
Speaker 12: more of a cautious litigator than the aggressive litigator. And

1592
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 12: I think the fascinating thing about Adam is that, you know,

1593
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 12: some might say he's not afraid to make the tough decisions,

1594
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 12: like you know, when he banned Donald Sterling for life

1595
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:23,520
Speaker 12: and essentially forced him to sell you know, the Clippers franchise,

1596
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 12: But he also has a track record of doing things

1597
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 12: only if everyone agrees with him and as long as

1598
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 12: the league makes money out of it. So that's that's

1599
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 12: kind of the tough thing that's interesting in what's going

1600
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 12: to happen.

1601
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm kind of with you. It doesn't feel like

1602
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 2: this is an Armageddon thing. And what people want to

1603
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 2: do is is jump to this conclusion about maybe even

1604
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 2: voiding Kawhi's contract. I can't see it getting that far.

1605
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 2: Do you agree, Mark?

1606
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 12: I could see anything. I could see thrown the kitchen

1607
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 12: sink at the clippers with draft picks avoiding things. I

1608
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 12: could also see the slap on the risk treatment. I

1609
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 12: think if they uncover things that are clearly out of

1610
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 12: balance of salary cap intervention, circumvention and you know, flies

1611
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 12: in the face of Adam Silver talking about how he

1612
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 12: wants competitive balance and he wants to be able to

1613
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 12: rear teams regardless of market size. If the evidence is

1614
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,600
Speaker 12: in front of him. I don't think he has any choice.

1615
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 12: But what I can say, even though we don't know

1616
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 12: what the NBA can prove, and I understand why Adam

1617
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 12: Silver is not going to, you know, assume a party's

1618
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 12: guilty until proven innocent. I am disappointed in his rhetoric.

1619
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 12: I wish that he said something along the lines of

1620
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 12: we take this seriously and he would affirm their belief system,

1621
01:23:54,960 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 12: salary cap rules, competitive balance instead. During the Boarding governors meeting,

1622
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 12: I just heard a bunch of heamen hauling and legalities

1623
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 12: and words salads that put people to sleep. And so

1624
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 12: what that means moving forward, I don't know. Because we've

1625
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 12: seen Adam Silver operate on both ends of the rubber

1626
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 12: band here, so it's all going to be about what

1627
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:22,440
Speaker 12: can they prove with evidence.

1628
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 2: It appears to be a follow the money case. That's

1629
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:25,799
Speaker 2: the problem.

1630
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 12: Oh, it totally is followed the money.

1631
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 2: And so you feel that some kind of hammer's going

1632
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 2: to drop. So with what little we know, it's sort

1633
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 2: of ironic. We know a little bit, we seem to

1634
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 2: know a lot, but we're not inside the Ivory Tower.

1635
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 2: But we have enough sources to paint a picture real

1636
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 2: quickly in ten seconds or least. Where do you think

1637
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 2: this really ends up?

1638
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 12: Buy a ticket? It so unpredictable. It's not just follow

1639
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 12: the money, it's what can they prove, not what they know,

1640
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 12: and a lot of times that's more difficult to execute

1641
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 12: well one.

1642
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 2: Hundred percent, And I don't think the NBA has an

1643
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 2: appetite for something that looks bad. But look, this has

1644
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 2: to be adjudicated because if Silver's, you know, honest about

1645
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 2: wanting fair and competitive balance, well here's a chance to

1646
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 2: prove it.

1647
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 6: Uh.

1648
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see how the way the West

1649
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 2: shakes out. And you did some reporting this week on

1650
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 2: on the preparation of one Cooper Flag. Take us behind

1651
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 2: the curtain there and what's going on with Cooper Flag

1652
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 2: as the MAVs are really counting on him.

1653
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 15: Yeah.

1654
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 12: I talked to Cooper Flagg's trainer, Matt McKenzie for an

1655
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 12: interview for RGI dot Oregon. He was pretty extensive about

1656
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 12: what his off season regiment has looked like ever since

1657
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 12: Summer League ended. It's very extension. It's been focusing on

1658
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 12: doing everything he can to have a clean bill of

1659
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 12: health and avoid hitting the rookie wall with strength training, conditioning,

1660
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 12: you know, really working with the training staffs on how

1661
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 12: to put on some good lean muscles so he could

1662
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 12: adapt the physicality in the NBA. He's working a lot

1663
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 12: on his ball handling to prepare playing first without Kyrie

1664
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 12: Irving because of his ACL injury, but then with Kyrie

1665
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 12: Irving knowing that he'll have to be adaptable with his role.

1666
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 12: He's been working a lot on trying to get clean

1667
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 12: looks from three point range. That's one of the weaknesses

1668
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 12: that Mark Cubanic's knowledge that Cooper Flagg has, so he's

1669
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 12: trying to turn that weakness into a skill. The other

1670
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 12: thing is he's doing a lot of drill work not

1671
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 12: just with his trainers and coaches, but some of his

1672
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 12: current Mavericks teammates in the gym on just kind of

1673
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 12: two man games because he knows that he's going to

1674
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 12: have to be adaptable with knowing how to play with

1675
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 12: Anthony Davis, knowing how to play with Kyrie Irving, Derek Wiley,

1676
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 12: the second Klay Thompson, you go down the line, I

1677
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 12: think when you add all these things up together, and

1678
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 12: the fact that he met up with Dark Noviski, he's

1679
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 12: studied film. Cooper Flagg is doing all the right things

1680
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 12: in the rookie with having kind of an old school

1681
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 12: approach towards trying to prepare for his rookie season.

1682
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 2: Mark I just got this premon issue when the April

1683
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:07,640
Speaker 2: rules around on Kyle Irving's back, the Menas are going

1684
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 2: to advance further in the postseason than the Lakers are.

1685
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 2: And by the way I understand Dennis Smith Jr. Agreed

1686
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:14,560
Speaker 2: to a one year deal and this guy was a

1687
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 2: top ten pick a few years ago. Does he helped

1688
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 2: the Mavericks this year?

1689
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 12: Yeah, he helps. I mean it's all about roster depth.

1690
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 12: I don't think he was going to dramatically change one

1691
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 12: thing or the other. But I think that the Mavericks,

1692
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 12: when you'll get the big picture, they're a very intriguing

1693
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:32,840
Speaker 12: team because on paper they have a very dangerous team

1694
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 12: that could make the case to not just go deeper

1695
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 12: than the Lakers, but really every team in the Western Conference.

1696
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 12: But the ultimate question is health. Kyrie Irving, we know

1697
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:43,600
Speaker 12: he's going to miss the beginning of the season with

1698
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 12: the ACL injury. Most times, players that return from an

1699
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 12: ACL injury aren't their full selves until the following season.

1700
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:55,600
Speaker 12: Anthony Davis, we know his injury history. Same thing with

1701
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 12: Klay Thompson, Cooper Flagg. He's projected to be a Rookie

1702
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 12: of the Year, but even his mat mackenzie projected that

1703
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 12: it's going to be an up and down year with

1704
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 12: how he navigates, you know, handling an opponent's best shot

1705
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 12: and matching up with you know, current NBA stars. He

1706
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 12: is a rookie after all, so they're a very intriguing team,

1707
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 12: but also a team with a lot of question marks,

1708
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,879
Speaker 12: so it's very high risk, high reward.

1709
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree with all that, and to that end,

1710
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 2: every team has their questions, including the Golden State Warriors.

1711
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 2: And it looks now, after all the back and forth,

1712
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:34,719
Speaker 2: Jonathan Kaminga might take the qualifying offer.

1713
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 20: Yeah he might.

1714
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 12: I mean he has until October first to do so.

1715
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 12: Though right now it's been a stalemate because very early

1716
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 12: on the Warriors to give him that qualifying offer, they're

1717
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 12: only giving two years forty five million, And you know,

1718
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 12: then they were saying, hey, we'll entertain a signing trade,

1719
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 12: but it has to be to our advantage, and what

1720
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:59,759
Speaker 12: the Phoenix Suns and the Sacramento Kings were offering weren't

1721
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 12: the things that interested the Warriors. And the reason why,

1722
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 12: you know, Jonathan Kaminga is limited here is he's a

1723
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 12: restricted free agent, so the Warriors have the right to

1724
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 12: match any offer, and if they are going to do

1725
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:15,719
Speaker 12: a sign and trade, it has to be on their terms.

1726
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 12: He can't just leave outright. So what it's gotten to

1727
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 12: the Warriors have presented different offers, bumping up to three years,

1728
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:28,679
Speaker 12: but now there's I think point of contention from Jonathan

1729
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 12: kamingas in that, as Anthony Slater for me has fan

1730
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 12: first reported, he wants to get a player option, not

1731
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 12: a team option. That way, it's less likely that his

1732
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 12: contract's going to be traded. I think ultimately it has

1733
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 12: been about having that flexibility so that the Warriors can

1734
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 12: make those deals moving forward because they don't know what

1735
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:54,679
Speaker 12: his trajectory is. They drafted him at number seven four reason,

1736
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 12: but they've also been conflicted for a reason because he's

1737
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,760
Speaker 12: a very great a athletic player. He can finish at

1738
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,639
Speaker 12: the rim. He's developed a little bit as a defender

1739
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 12: and outside she here, but he's very inconsistent. His decision

1740
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:10,719
Speaker 12: making is off the map. And I think the bigger

1741
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 12: thing is even for people within the Warriors that have,

1742
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:17,960
Speaker 12: like Jonathan kaminga his playing time decreased last season simply

1743
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 12: because Jimmy Butler's on the team now, and so I

1744
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 12: think moving forward, it's very hard to pencil when what

1745
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:26,879
Speaker 12: are as minutes going to be on in consistent basis.

1746
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 12: He'll be part of the rotation, but I think the

1747
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 12: Warriors internally with Steve Kerr, look at him as a

1748
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 12: player that might have DMPs depending on matchups and everything else.

1749
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 12: And so I think that all those things explain why

1750
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 12: Jathankminga has an agreed to role, because he wants to

1751
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 12: have a role that's a lot more consistent than what

1752
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 12: he's had with the Warriors.

1753
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 2: Mark lasting for me, I want to make sure I

1754
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 2: got this calendar straight. For some teams, training camp opens

1755
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 2: up in two or three days for the rest September

1756
01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:58,599
Speaker 2: twenty ninth, and then before you know it, I believe

1757
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 2: Opening nighte he's October twenty first. Yeah, you got it

1758
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 2: is that's all.

1759
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 12: That's all opened up a little bit earlier if they're

1760
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 12: doing some overseas trips. But most teams will start up

1761
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 12: media day on September twenty nine. But it's right behind

1762
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:12,759
Speaker 12: the corner.

1763
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 2: And I know you'll be excited right before Halloween, you

1764
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:18,040
Speaker 2: and I maybe we'll spend the whole four hours on

1765
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 2: the NBA Cup this year.

1766
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 12: Indeed, and let's not forget Bronnie James is plus to

1767
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 12: win most and proof flier.

1768
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 2: You got me, you got me. I was gonna bring

1769
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 2: it up as my punchline, but good on you man,

1770
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:32,599
Speaker 2: you beat me, You beat me off the dribble there,

1771
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:34,559
Speaker 2: you beat me, you froze me.

1772
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 12: It's one of many times. I'm sure we'll have a

1773
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 12: robust debate about Brownie looking.

1774
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 2: Forward to it. It's my whole existence, Mark great stuff

1775
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 2: is always look forward to having you next week. It's

1776
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 2: upon us.

1777
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:47,520
Speaker 12: Likewise, take care, mam.

1778
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 2: That is Mark Medina, Medina Magic. Here him every Saturday night,

1779
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 2: here on the Bernie Frattle Shows heading into Sunday morning.

1780
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 2: As hey, the NBA is upon us right and there's

1781
01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:01,639
Speaker 2: never any shortage of news, lots of news. I can't

1782
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 2: wait for some things. There are real genuine honesty, goodness

1783
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 2: storylines as we head end of the season, and we'll

1784
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 2: start to chop those up. But football is king right now.

1785
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 2: We're eight hours and forty seven minutes away from the

1786
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 2: kickoff of Week three coming up. Got some interesting thoughts

1787
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 2: on Patrick Mahomes, Baker Mayfield, and yes to a tongue

1788
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 2: of alula in which oh and two teams should be nervous.

1789
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:29,639
Speaker 2: I'm Bernie Frader. We're company line from the Las Vegas

1790
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio Studios. Keep it locked right here and

1791
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 2: listening to the Bernie Frawdle Show on Fox Sports Radio.

1792
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

1793
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 3: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio

1794
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 3: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to

1795
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 3: listen live.

1796
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 2: We're back on the Bernie Fraudle Show Fox Sports Radio.

1797
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 2: Coming up just a little bit after the Bottle of

1798
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 2: the Hour, the Fantasy Files. You want to stay tuned

1799
01:32:56,280 --> 01:33:00,519
Speaker 2: for that couple of tidbits here. I've always like to

1800
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 2: a but when he plays a team with a winning record,

1801
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:06,840
Speaker 2: He's ten and twenty forty touchdowns, twenty nine interceptions. He's

1802
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 2: got a passer rating of eighty five. The Dolphins, they

1803
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:12,559
Speaker 2: were part of the zero to two conversation. Now they're

1804
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 2: part of the to three conversation. I think you can

1805
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 2: just about stick a fork in them. And someone one

1806
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 2: of the callers mentioned they are going to clean house. Yeah,

1807
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:23,920
Speaker 2: I think Mike McDaniel's days are numbered. Baker Mayfield a

1808
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 2: guy I've always like, Why doesn't anybody remember they joined

1809
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:29,599
Speaker 2: the team in Cleveland that had been one in thirty

1810
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:33,719
Speaker 2: one and got into the playoffs within two years? Guess

1811
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:37,760
Speaker 2: what his completion percentage in game winning drives? He did

1812
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:40,439
Speaker 2: it again weeks one and two, two game winning drives

1813
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 2: during those drives eleven or fourteen, completing seventy nine percent

1814
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:46,400
Speaker 2: of his passes, one hundred eleven pass yards, and a

1815
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:49,719
Speaker 2: passer rating of one hundred and twenty three point five.

1816
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:54,599
Speaker 2: When the situation demands greatness, can you be great? Baker

1817
01:33:54,680 --> 01:34:02,640
Speaker 2: Mayfield is objectively is look Patrick Mahomes. They'll have a

1818
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 2: limo pick him up when he's ready to be inducted

1819
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 2: into Canton. But this season we're gonna get to the

1820
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 2: O and two teams. And I don't think the Chiefs

1821
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 2: are cooked by any stretch, but you have to be.

1822
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 2: You can't not not notice this this season. Mahomes Is

1823
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 2: passer rating is eighty two, that ranks twenty eight among

1824
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 2: NFL quarterbacks. His completion percentage is fifty eight percent that

1825
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:27,840
Speaker 2: ranks twenty eighth. Yards per pass down to six point

1826
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:33,559
Speaker 2: five ranks twenty first. Yards passing yards per game only

1827
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:36,719
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty two that ties for seventeenth. He's

1828
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:40,080
Speaker 2: got two touchdowns at one interception. That ratio ties for

1829
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 2: twenty first. Now I get it, I get it. Travis

1830
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:48,679
Speaker 2: Kelsey looks like he got old overnight. That's just a fact.

1831
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 2: Mark from Minnesota tweeted in something a while ago about

1832
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 2: his stats this year and they're non existing, and he

1833
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:59,280
Speaker 2: dropped the ball in the goal line and no Xavier Worthy.

1834
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 2: Oh she wich Rice. I get it. You gotta have horses.

1835
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 2: But he's still Patrick Mahomes right. If he needs help

1836
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:12,920
Speaker 2: like everybody other human quarterback, well that changes the you know,

1837
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 2: the dynamic a little bit. But we have this conversation

1838
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 2: every year heading into Week three. Teams. You know, when

1839
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:21,639
Speaker 2: you go er and two in the NFL, it can

1840
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 2: make life very difficult to reach the playoffs. But that

1841
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:28,800
Speaker 2: doesn't mean winless teams after Week two aren't able to

1842
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 2: still contend. Most won't. Some will. I think everybody remembers

1843
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys in ninety three when them and Smith

1844
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 2: set out for two games they were zero and two.

1845
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 2: They came back won the Super Bowl. I know my

1846
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 2: buddy Steve Hartman remembers in nineteen ninety two the Chargers

1847
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:48,040
Speaker 2: started out owing four, they came back and went to

1848
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:51,280
Speaker 2: the playoffs. But that doesn't mean you want to do that.

1849
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 2: The math on owing two teams reaching the playoffs is

1850
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 2: not good. And by the way, since the NFL merger

1851
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 2: AFL NFL merger in nineteen seventy, there are only three

1852
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:06,760
Speaker 2: teams in fifty five years who started OH to two

1853
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:10,400
Speaker 2: and won a Super Bowl, Meaning there's not a lot

1854
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 2: of historical data to suggest anybody who hasn't won a

1855
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 2: game yet in twenty twenty five will magically turn it around.

1856
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:20,320
Speaker 2: All right, Now, most of the top teams you started

1857
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:22,759
Speaker 2: OH to one last week got in the win column

1858
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 2: win two. But there were nine teams that fail to

1859
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 2: earn a victory and now they're in the dreaded OHO

1860
01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:32,559
Speaker 2: to two hole. Actually, one of those squads is Miami.

1861
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna mention them because they're now O

1862
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:38,559
Speaker 2: to three. Now the Houston Texans are trying to divide.

1863
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:42,160
Speaker 2: Let's put it this way. Let's put it this way,

1864
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 2: which winless teams can still be contenders and which ones

1865
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:51,960
Speaker 2: are cooked. I'm going to start with the one team that,

1866
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:55,680
Speaker 2: frankly I think is still a contender. How could they

1867
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:58,760
Speaker 2: not be? It's the Kansas City Chiefs. It's been over

1868
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:02,680
Speaker 2: ten years since Kansas City started zero two and they

1869
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:04,679
Speaker 2: came back and Andy Reid's second year on the job

1870
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen, the fall of the Chargers and the Eagles,

1871
01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 2: that's nothing to be ashamed of. Their first two weeks,

1872
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 2: but the bar is always very high for the Chiefs.

1873
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:15,600
Speaker 2: They view their success in terms of getting to the

1874
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:19,920
Speaker 2: big game and winning it. They want Lombardi trophies. They

1875
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:22,800
Speaker 2: don't want second place or ninth place trophies. This is

1876
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:26,799
Speaker 2: meet the Fokkers. Now. There's a good opportunity for Kansas

1877
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:28,680
Speaker 2: City to get off the schneid later day. They're six

1878
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 2: point favorites when they take on the Giants, and they

1879
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 2: should be getting healthier over the coming weeks. And who

1880
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:38,519
Speaker 2: might be the biggest beneficiary of Joe Burrow injury. It

1881
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 2: could be the Kansas City Chiefs because I think they're

1882
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:43,080
Speaker 2: on their way to a wildcard birth. I don't see

1883
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:46,400
Speaker 2: them overtaking the Chargers, but I still think they're a

1884
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:50,679
Speaker 2: contender now. The team they play Sunday, the New York Giants.

1885
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 2: They were the team closest on the list to avoiding

1886
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 2: an O two start. They had a very inspired performance

1887
01:37:57,120 --> 01:38:00,240
Speaker 2: in Dallas. Russell Wilson turned back the clock, look like

1888
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, Seattle Russell Wilson, and he was one of

1889
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 2: the biggest winners of the week. But they lost that game,

1890
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:09,679
Speaker 2: and that I think just about kills the New York

1891
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:12,720
Speaker 2: Giants chances of getting to the playoffs and not the

1892
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 2: least of which here's one of the key reasons. They

1893
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 2: got a brutal upcoming schedule again Kansas City later today,

1894
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 2: then the Chargers at New Orleans Philadelphia. Brian Dables team.

1895
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 2: I can see them easily one in five, maybe two

1896
01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:30,680
Speaker 2: and four at best, with an all to three division record.

1897
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:33,880
Speaker 2: Thanks for participating take the home version of the game.

1898
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 2: Yes they're giving an effort. Yes they have a good

1899
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:40,080
Speaker 2: defensive front seven. Yes, maybe they have hope with Jackson Dart,

1900
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:44,360
Speaker 2: but look, it ain't enjoy the enjoy the color change

1901
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:46,360
Speaker 2: in New York. That's about all there is doing. Joy.

1902
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:50,920
Speaker 2: How about the Tennessee Titans. Now, the NFL did can

1903
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 2: Ward no favors by scheduling two elite defenses to face

1904
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:56,360
Speaker 2: the Titans in their first two games, So no one

1905
01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:59,120
Speaker 2: should be shocked Tennessee is owing two. But the Titans

1906
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:02,360
Speaker 2: fans can be in courage is the fact that to me,

1907
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 2: cam Ward has looked impressive. He's actually shown some real flashes.

1908
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:09,960
Speaker 2: He had an insane play to record his first touchdown

1909
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:14,559
Speaker 2: pass against Los Angeles last Sunday. The Rams now a

1910
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:18,519
Speaker 2: reminder of why cam Ward went number one. Tennessee also

1911
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:21,080
Speaker 2: has a decent defense is going to keep them competitive,

1912
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 2: but this season is entirely about getting cam Ord developed.

1913
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 2: There's no question the Titans are cooked as far as

1914
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 2: preseason potential. But if Ward looks like the guy they

1915
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 2: got our number one overall, by the end of the year,

1916
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:35,280
Speaker 2: they're going to be out of quarterback hel and the

1917
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 2: Tennessee Titans may be something to look at in twenty

1918
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 2: twenty six, but not this year. Cleveland, forget it. They

1919
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:45,000
Speaker 2: harassed their defense, harassed Joe Burrow in a Week one loss,

1920
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:47,880
Speaker 2: but they screwed everything else up, missing extra points, missing

1921
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:51,559
Speaker 2: field goals, creating stupid penalties. They should have beaten Cleveland,

1922
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 2: should have beaten Cincinnati in Game one, but that's what

1923
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:57,280
Speaker 2: they do. There's only Joe Flacco's look fine, there's only

1924
01:39:57,320 --> 01:39:59,280
Speaker 2: so much he can do to keep Cleveland in games

1925
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:02,479
Speaker 2: and all they do. The NFC North is tough this year,

1926
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 2: and that's going to make it life hard for Kevin

1927
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:07,120
Speaker 2: Stefanski to dig out of the so two hole. You

1928
01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:12,400
Speaker 2: got three NFC you know, tough contests coming up, and

1929
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:16,000
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers over the next month. The Browns could

1930
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:18,880
Speaker 2: easily start zero to six. I think they'll go to

1931
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:22,080
Speaker 2: Dialdon Gabriel next and then maybe we'll see shoot or Sanders.

1932
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 2: You'll get his chance. I already mentioned Miami complete no

1933
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:29,000
Speaker 2: show in Week one against Indianapolis, played better against the Patriots,

1934
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:32,240
Speaker 2: found a way to lose to Mike Rabel, and they

1935
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:36,040
Speaker 2: were driving to tie the game Thursday night. It was

1936
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:38,719
Speaker 2: it was a solid play that the Dolphins getting plus

1937
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:41,519
Speaker 2: eleven and a half. The books came out big. I

1938
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 2: had them small. Why because you don't give a divisional

1939
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:49,280
Speaker 2: team double digits in a national televised game, standalone game.

1940
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:52,000
Speaker 2: But Miami's got one foot in the grave of the

1941
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:54,680
Speaker 2: un Pana pills. So does the other New York Jets team.

1942
01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 2: Any you may have thought there might have been some

1943
01:40:57,240 --> 01:41:01,400
Speaker 2: positive science Aaron Blennon, and then the Jets look like

1944
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:05,800
Speaker 2: after game one it was a fagaze. It always is,

1945
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:10,519
Speaker 2: with all due respect. Justin Fields now, he's what fourteen

1946
01:41:10,840 --> 01:41:13,280
Speaker 2: in thirty two in his career. He's not a major

1947
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:16,160
Speaker 2: league quarterback. He threw for twenty seven yards last week

1948
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:18,920
Speaker 2: and ran for thirty nine, worst start of his career.

1949
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:20,960
Speaker 2: Left the game of the concussion. Gee, I wonder why

1950
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:25,240
Speaker 2: I like Justin Fields. He's a consummate professional. Now you

1951
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:27,360
Speaker 2: got Tyrod Taylor. Maybe he gives them a better chance

1952
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:30,400
Speaker 2: to win, But no one really expected to be No

1953
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:32,920
Speaker 2: one I know expected to be the Jets legitimate contenders.

1954
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:36,880
Speaker 2: And Week one was a fageze. So forget it. They're

1955
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:40,160
Speaker 2: just not. It's not in the cards for them, all right,

1956
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:45,560
Speaker 2: So forget it. Jets, did I forget anybody? Forget it?

1957
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:50,839
Speaker 2: Jets forget it, Dolphins forget it, Browns forget it. Titans, Chiefs, Yeah, Giants.

1958
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:54,000
Speaker 2: Not so much on Chicago Bears. No one expected things

1959
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:56,559
Speaker 2: to be easy for Ben Johnson. But again, with all

1960
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:59,200
Speaker 2: due respect to Caleb Williams, he likes to play playground

1961
01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:06,080
Speaker 2: football too. To my friends, scheme adaptability, scheme adaptability. He's

1962
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:08,759
Speaker 2: about the worst of a fit for Ben Johnson system,

1963
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:12,160
Speaker 2: as you can imagine. Again, don't tell me, show me.

1964
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 2: They're in maybe the most competitive division in football, and

1965
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:18,759
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams is inconsistent and the Bears defense isn't any better.

1966
01:42:19,479 --> 01:42:23,880
Speaker 2: We'll see what Dallas does in Chicago, Carolina, in New

1967
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:25,840
Speaker 2: Orleans the same situation. I'm not gonna pick on them.

1968
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:28,840
Speaker 2: They're in transition, they're trying to break in new quarterbacks.

1969
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:33,080
Speaker 2: We'll see where they go. All right, folks, get your

1970
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:37,160
Speaker 2: pens and pencils ready, you Fantasy font you, fantasy team owners.

1971
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:42,880
Speaker 2: Is it's up next, It's time for the Fantasy Files.

1972
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:48,679
Speaker 3: Fantasy Files with Brandon Deutsch, your go to fantasy football segment.

1973
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:50,320
Speaker 6: Are you got one going when?

1974
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:54,920
Speaker 24: Welcome back to Fantasy Files. I'm Brandon Deutsch and we're

1975
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:57,760
Speaker 24: going to go into s start suggestions today. We did

1976
01:42:57,800 --> 01:42:59,640
Speaker 24: well last week, We're gonna do well again. Now that

1977
01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:03,479
Speaker 24: never been more confident about anything in my life than

1978
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 24: Jordan Mason going up against the Cincinnati Bengals. And here's

1979
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:11,760
Speaker 24: exactly why Jordan Mason is now a Bell Kyle running back. No,

1980
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:14,920
Speaker 24: Aaron Jones. Aaron Jones is on the IR. Cincinnati is

1981
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:18,200
Speaker 24: one of the most atrocious run defenses in all of football.

1982
01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:21,160
Speaker 24: You can make sure that Jordan Mason is in your

1983
01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 24: lineups over guys like Traves y Tianna this week, over

1984
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:27,280
Speaker 24: guys like Chase Brown your second round pick, over guys

1985
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:28,639
Speaker 24: like Ashton Jenz.

1986
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:30,160
Speaker 2: Believe it or.

1987
01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:34,200
Speaker 24: Not, I'd sit James Connor on that note against San Francisco. Now,

1988
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 24: Robert Sala has done a heck of a job. There's

1989
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 24: no doubt about that. With that defensive line specifically, now

1990
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:41,840
Speaker 24: their secondary has some issues. Kyler can exploit that in

1991
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:44,080
Speaker 24: that matchup. But I'd be shocked if James Connor has

1992
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:46,800
Speaker 24: anything more than forty or fifty yards rushing, and I

1993
01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:49,120
Speaker 24: don't even think he scores a touchdown. Trade Benson keeps

1994
01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:51,840
Speaker 24: getting snaps and not just that. James Connor had eleven

1995
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:54,599
Speaker 24: for thirty four yards last week. Eleven carries thirty four yards.

1996
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:57,320
Speaker 24: One touchdown saved his fantasy day. He had one catch

1997
01:43:57,320 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 24: in that game two weeks ago. The touchdown saved is nd.

1998
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:02,960
Speaker 24: Now you could argue, oh yeah, touchdowns, yeah, they're great,

1999
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:05,000
Speaker 24: but he is touchdown relyant, and we want to stay

2000
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:07,799
Speaker 24: away from fantasy players that are so touchdown reliant because

2001
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 24: we want guys that can catch passes like an eight

2002
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:13,280
Speaker 24: chan like at James Cook in really good offenses that

2003
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:16,360
Speaker 24: will utilize him. And it's not good that James Connor's

2004
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:18,519
Speaker 24: over thirty years old, because that's when we tend to

2005
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:21,040
Speaker 24: see unless you're Derrick Henry and you're just a freak

2006
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:23,800
Speaker 24: of nature in a generational running back, that's when we

2007
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:25,960
Speaker 24: tend to see the decline in running back. So I

2008
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:28,120
Speaker 24: can imagine that James Connor is going to have a

2009
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:30,760
Speaker 24: bad game against San Francisco and start this trend of

2010
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:34,120
Speaker 24: poor performances. Now I'd start Kenneth Walker against New Orleans.

2011
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:37,000
Speaker 24: Kenneth Walker the last time Zach Sharboney did not play,

2012
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:39,400
Speaker 24: and he's doubtful for this game. He had twenty five

2013
01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:42,679
Speaker 24: plus touches in that game, which is insane. The usage

2014
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:44,280
Speaker 24: is going to be off the charts. He's coming off

2015
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:47,360
Speaker 24: of a thirteen hundred and five yard performance with the touchdown,

2016
01:44:47,439 --> 01:44:50,559
Speaker 24: averaging almost nine yards per carrying that matchup. Zach Charboney

2017
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:53,599
Speaker 24: was averaging like one yard per carry in that game.

2018
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:55,880
Speaker 24: Now he might not play. New Orleans is one of

2019
01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:58,200
Speaker 24: the worst defenses in all of football. It makes too

2020
01:44:58,280 --> 01:45:02,679
Speaker 24: much sense to not be starting him now. Of course,

2021
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:04,320
Speaker 24: we got to get to the sit, and the sit

2022
01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:07,040
Speaker 24: is going to be JK. Dobbins going against the Chargers

2023
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:10,160
Speaker 24: the next one. The next sit we're going to is JK.

2024
01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:13,040
Speaker 24: Dobbins against the Chargers. There will be no revenge game

2025
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:15,760
Speaker 24: for him. I know he's talked about it and they

2026
01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 24: didn't re sign him, and there was a whole thing

2027
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:21,200
Speaker 24: about how he started last season versus how he ended,

2028
01:45:21,240 --> 01:45:23,320
Speaker 24: and it didn't go well toward the end, and who

2029
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:25,240
Speaker 24: knows what was going on. And now they have Omari

2030
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:28,880
Speaker 24: and Hampton and they have Najee Harris. They obviously it

2031
01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:31,280
Speaker 24: didn't end the way JK. Dobbins wanted to. I'm sure

2032
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:33,519
Speaker 24: he wanted to stay in La whatever. Now he's in Denver,

2033
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:36,639
Speaker 24: Denver great city. But this is an offense that's going

2034
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:38,880
Speaker 24: to utilize RJ. Harvey more over the rest of the season.

2035
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:40,559
Speaker 24: I'm not saying it's going to be this week because

2036
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:42,920
Speaker 24: the Chargers have a great defense. In fact, they're eighth

2037
01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:45,920
Speaker 24: against the run. I would stay far away from both

2038
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:48,719
Speaker 24: R J. Harvey and JK. Dobbins this week. It makes

2039
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:51,519
Speaker 24: no sense for that to be happening for them to

2040
01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:53,559
Speaker 24: be in your lineup, and make sure to also sit.

2041
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:56,920
Speaker 24: If we're on this topic of sitting Kyen Williams against

2042
01:45:56,920 --> 01:45:58,360
Speaker 24: the philadelph Eagles, he was at one of the best

2043
01:45:58,360 --> 01:46:00,599
Speaker 24: defensive lines in the league. Now, if K didn't score

2044
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:04,080
Speaker 24: a touchdown or get two catches the last few games,

2045
01:46:04,479 --> 01:46:07,719
Speaker 24: he doesn't even have five Fantasy points ten and thirteen.

2046
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 24: If you look at his last two games and quorum

2047
01:46:10,040 --> 01:46:13,280
Speaker 24: stole a touchdown from him last weekend, so I cannot

2048
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:16,560
Speaker 24: trust Kyen Williams against one of the most premier defensive

2049
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:19,559
Speaker 24: lines in all of football. Now, let's go to some receivers,

2050
01:46:19,560 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 24: because those were pretty much all running backs, right. Tetro

2051
01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:25,400
Speaker 24: McMillan going up against Atlanta. No aj Terrell lock it

2052
01:46:25,439 --> 01:46:29,160
Speaker 24: in start. He has had five catches in sixty five

2053
01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:30,960
Speaker 24: plus yards in back to back games. They had one

2054
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:34,760
Speaker 24: hundred yards last week. Bryce Young is going to utilize him.

2055
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:37,200
Speaker 24: Tedro McMillan has a monopoly on this offense more so

2056
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:39,240
Speaker 24: than Scheuba Hubbard. He is Bryce Young's guy. I know

2057
01:46:39,320 --> 01:46:41,439
Speaker 24: Hunter Renfro has a good game here and there, a

2058
01:46:41,439 --> 01:46:45,040
Speaker 24: big game waiting, But Tedro McMillan is that dude. He

2059
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:47,679
Speaker 24: continues to get better coming off of seventeen fantasy points.

2060
01:46:47,880 --> 01:46:50,559
Speaker 24: Another guy I would start is Ricky Piersall against the Cardinals.

2061
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:53,120
Speaker 24: Everybody in the Cardinal secondary is injured. That's why you

2062
01:46:53,120 --> 01:46:54,880
Speaker 24: start Ricky pierce All. Very simple. Now, he didn't have

2063
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:56,639
Speaker 24: the game we wanted him to last week. I think

2064
01:46:56,640 --> 01:46:59,559
Speaker 24: he had four for fifty six, about eight or nine

2065
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:02,479
Speaker 24: fantasy points. The week before he had about sixteen seventeen

2066
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 24: fantasy points, right, So that's what we won for him.

2067
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:06,760
Speaker 24: We we're hoping he gets over that fifteen point threshold.

2068
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:08,360
Speaker 24: I think he gets a touchdown in this game and

2069
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:10,599
Speaker 24: close to one hundred yards with Mac Shones starting doesn't

2070
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:13,000
Speaker 24: even need to be Rock Perdy. I'd also start George

2071
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:16,280
Speaker 24: Pickens against the Chicago Bears. Now, we saw Pickens finally

2072
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:18,200
Speaker 24: get his first touchdout of the season last week. He

2073
01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:21,160
Speaker 24: was excellent. And this is a defense Chicago. It just

2074
01:47:21,200 --> 01:47:23,320
Speaker 24: gave up fifty two points and they're ranked in the

2075
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:26,840
Speaker 24: bottom ten of defenses overall, not just against the pass

2076
01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:29,599
Speaker 24: in football, bottom five against the pass, and so is Dallas.

2077
01:47:29,640 --> 01:47:30,880
Speaker 24: So this is gonna be a high scoring game. I

2078
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:32,800
Speaker 24: think you can start players on both sides. So not

2079
01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:37,040
Speaker 24: only is George Pickens the start, but Romadunze the superstar himself. Yes,

2080
01:47:37,080 --> 01:47:39,920
Speaker 24: I'm calling him a superstar because he is going absolutely crazy.

2081
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 24: DJ Moore is an afterthought in that offense. That's how

2082
01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:45,120
Speaker 24: good Roma Donze is. Make sure to start Roma Donsay

2083
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:48,679
Speaker 24: in that game. And that is it for Fantasy files.

2084
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:51,439
Speaker 24: Let's go win our matchup. I'm Brandon Deutsch back to

2085
01:47:51,479 --> 01:47:53,280
Speaker 24: the Bernie Fratto Show, all.

2086
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Speaker 2: Right, so you want to tune in every week to

2087
01:47:54,760 --> 01:47:56,800
Speaker 2: mint not miss this set. You'll hear it on the

2088
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Speaker 2: podcast as well, in case you missed the live show.

2089
01:48:00,240 --> 01:48:03,639
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2090
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2098
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Speaker 2: really mean to start hing to? Does it really mean

2099
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:31,040
Speaker 2: the NFL teams? You ask a lot. If you really

2100
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:33,320
Speaker 2: want to know, I'll give you a quick summary of

2101
01:48:33,320 --> 01:48:36,439
Speaker 2: how many NFL teams have done in the last twenty

2102
01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:41,120
Speaker 2: five years when they started out all and two. Him,

2103
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Speaker 2: Bernie Frattle, We're coming to line from the Las Vegas

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2108
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Speaker 2: Week three. Top of the r Man Gambling Lou Loof

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Speaker 2: and Akara, one of the most respected handicappers, and all

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Speaker 2: the Las Vegas I'll have thoughts on four key plays

2112
01:49:10,479 --> 01:49:12,200
Speaker 2: coming up. You want to be around for that. Lots

2113
01:49:12,240 --> 01:49:15,479
Speaker 2: to get to. In the last hour, We're going to

2114
01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:18,480
Speaker 2: talk about two key matchups that I want to emphasize.

2115
01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:22,439
Speaker 2: How has Green Bay done it with their defense? Are

2116
01:49:22,439 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 2: they the best team in the NFL. We'll talk about

2117
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Speaker 2: that right now, and I'm going to close the show

2118
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:33,160
Speaker 2: with a tribute to Clayton Kershaw. I know that people

2119
01:49:34,120 --> 01:49:40,000
Speaker 2: don't necessarily value pitching wins as an analytic darling as

2120
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:43,840
Speaker 2: they say, and all the saber metric guys think that

2121
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:47,599
Speaker 2: wins are an overvalued stat. I don't you win games.

2122
01:49:47,640 --> 01:49:50,080
Speaker 2: You find ways to win games. When Dola Ryan once said,

2123
01:49:50,600 --> 01:49:53,559
Speaker 2: you have the mark of greatness is when you win

2124
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:56,559
Speaker 2: and you don't have your best stuff. And I don't

2125
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:58,559
Speaker 2: know a pitcher who's ever taken him out doesn't care

2126
01:49:58,600 --> 01:50:02,640
Speaker 2: if he gets the w all right, and whenever you

2127
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:04,920
Speaker 2: have a picture that leads the league and wins. What

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Speaker 2: are they lucky? They're a bad pitcher, they just happen

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01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:09,840
Speaker 2: to have wins. No, it's a thing, but believe it

2130
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:13,360
Speaker 2: or not, there's only one all time great pitcher. I'm

2131
01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:16,120
Speaker 2: talking about pitchers who won a couple hundred games, and

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01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:19,080
Speaker 2: you won't believe this list. There's only one great pitcher

2133
01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:21,479
Speaker 2: who never had a sub five hundred one lost season.

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Speaker 2: We'll share that coming up. So what does an er

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01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:28,439
Speaker 2: and two start mean the NFL teams? You ask a lot.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a quick summary. Now, by

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01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:35,320
Speaker 2: the way, it was two thousand and two that the

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01:50:35,439 --> 01:50:40,400
Speaker 2: NFL created their current thirty two team alignment, realignment as

2139
01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:44,600
Speaker 2: it were, in terms of how the divisions were structured.

2140
01:50:45,720 --> 01:50:50,000
Speaker 2: So since two thousand and two, that's twenty four seasons,

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01:50:52,360 --> 01:50:55,240
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety teams total of one hundred and

2142
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:59,800
Speaker 2: ninety teams started out zero to two. Guess somebody of

2143
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:03,000
Speaker 2: those teams just made the playoffs. Forget how what they

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01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:07,240
Speaker 2: did in the playoffs. Just made the playoffs eighteen out

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01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:10,080
Speaker 2: of one hundred and ninety. You don't want to start

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01:51:10,280 --> 01:51:13,240
Speaker 2: oh and two. The Chiefs might be the redheaded step

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01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:15,800
Speaker 2: child on this list of black sheep. I just gave

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01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:19,559
Speaker 2: because you had Carolina, the Bears, Cleveland, Houston, Miami, New

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01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:22,240
Speaker 2: York Giants, Jets, Tennessee, and of course Kansas City. The

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01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:25,479
Speaker 2: Dolphins are now oh and three. They're done. The Chiefs

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01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:27,639
Speaker 2: don't think are They're the only ones, but its history

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01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:33,439
Speaker 2: tells us. In twenty four seasons, only nine percent of

2153
01:51:33,479 --> 01:51:37,520
Speaker 2: the teams who started out oh to two made the playoffs,

2154
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 2: and most of them look twenty four years ago. Ben

2155
01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:46,000
Speaker 2: ro the Steelers were ten and five, ten five and one,

2156
01:51:46,479 --> 01:51:49,160
Speaker 2: but they lost in a divisional round. Same year, there

2157
01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:52,280
Speaker 2: were two teams that did today are two teams, the Falcons.

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01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:55,320
Speaker 2: They also lost in the divisional round. Now the Eagles

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01:51:55,320 --> 01:52:00,400
Speaker 2: the following season lost in the NFC Championship. I they

2160
01:52:00,439 --> 01:52:02,559
Speaker 2: lost to the Carolina Panthers. And that was a team

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01:52:02,600 --> 01:52:05,839
Speaker 2: that went on to lose the Super Bowl to the Patriots.

2162
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:08,200
Speaker 2: But they started out ozing too, then finished twelve and four,

2163
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:11,439
Speaker 2: but they lost to the NFC Championship. The four mentioned

2164
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:14,000
Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs took three more years, four and zero

2165
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:17,320
Speaker 2: and two team did it. The Chiefs finished nine to

2166
01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:19,960
Speaker 2: seven and six. They lost in the wild Card. Finally,

2167
01:52:20,040 --> 01:52:22,160
Speaker 2: the two thousand and seven New York Giants, the most

2168
01:52:22,200 --> 01:52:25,920
Speaker 2: improbable team started out ohing two. They beat Tom Brady

2169
01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:28,479
Speaker 2: and then undefeated team with the tire you know, the

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01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:31,200
Speaker 2: helmet catch and Eli Manning and all the things go

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01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:36,640
Speaker 2: along with it to win. I guess that was the

2172
01:52:36,680 --> 01:52:40,960
Speaker 2: Super Bowl forty one. Yeah, it was Super Bowl forty

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01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:46,160
Speaker 2: one because I covered Super Bowl forty in Detroit. Or

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01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:48,080
Speaker 2: maybe it was Super Bowl forty two. Maybe the game

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01:52:48,160 --> 01:52:49,719
Speaker 2: was played in two thousand and eight. It was two thousand

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01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:54,679
Speaker 2: and seventh season, that's right. They were the San Diego

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01:52:54,760 --> 01:52:57,000
Speaker 2: Chargers at the time. There were three teams, believe it

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01:52:57,120 --> 01:53:00,760
Speaker 2: or not, three teams that started out zero and two

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01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:04,440
Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight. The Chargers, Dolphins, and Vikings

2180
01:53:04,479 --> 01:53:09,519
Speaker 2: all lost in their first game. The twenty thirteen Carolina

2181
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:12,080
Speaker 2: Panthers ended up going twelve and four, lost them divisional round,

2182
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:15,880
Speaker 2: and right on down the line, the Colts they did it,

2183
01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:19,000
Speaker 2: The Texans did it, The Seahawks did it. The Miami

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01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:22,040
Speaker 2: Dolphins did it. In twenty sixteen. They lost the wild

2185
01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:26,880
Speaker 2: card round after after the Giants won the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Any O and two team that has made the playoffs

2187
01:53:31,120 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 2: and By the way, any of the teams has started

2188
01:53:33,320 --> 01:53:37,040
Speaker 2: owing two last season twenty twenty four, none of them

2189
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:43,080
Speaker 2: made the playoffs. But one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen,

2190
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Speaker 2: thirteen straight teams since the New York Giants won the

2191
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:50,200
Speaker 2: Super Bowl by starting zhing two to seven. Guess what,

2192
01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:56,400
Speaker 2: All thirteen that followed them didn't win a playoff game,

2193
01:53:57,000 --> 01:53:59,640
Speaker 2: So you guess. I guess you're getting the point. You

2194
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:03,560
Speaker 2: don't don't want to start oh to two. One team

2195
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:06,360
Speaker 2: that did not start oh and two, they started two

2196
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:09,680
Speaker 2: and oh and man, they look damn good doing it.

2197
01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:13,160
Speaker 2: The Green Bay Packers, did you see this comment? I

2198
01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:16,559
Speaker 2: know they added Micah Parsons, and I know they've had

2199
01:54:17,320 --> 01:54:20,679
Speaker 2: a bunch of first round draft choices in the last

2200
01:54:20,720 --> 01:54:24,280
Speaker 2: several years that are coming into their own and they're

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Speaker 2: still young and hungry. You know, Jordan Love's come into

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01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:31,840
Speaker 2: his own. They've added weapons on offense. I didn't. And

2203
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:35,760
Speaker 2: by the way, Michael Parksons isn't up to snuff yet.

2204
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:38,520
Speaker 2: He's not even in real game shape yet he's already

2205
01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:41,800
Speaker 2: wreaking have it. I do not think it's hyperbole to

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01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:46,280
Speaker 2: say that the first two weeks I'm just talking about

2207
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:50,560
Speaker 2: the Packers defense. Now that might that might be one

2208
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:53,720
Speaker 2: of the best defenses I've seen in a decade, maybe longer.

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Speaker 2: The numbers bear that out. Green Bay's defense as a whole,

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01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:02,520
Speaker 2: only allowing three point seven yarnds per play. That's the

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01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:06,320
Speaker 2: eighth best mark. I mean, it's not a two week season.

2212
01:55:06,360 --> 01:55:10,640
Speaker 2: I get that, it's the eighth best mark through two

2213
01:55:10,720 --> 01:55:15,680
Speaker 2: weeks among the six hundred and forty cumulative seasons played

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01:55:15,680 --> 01:55:19,120
Speaker 2: by teams in the past twenty years. That puts him

2215
01:55:19,120 --> 01:55:22,680
Speaker 2: in very rarefied here. And here's what's really interesting. The

2216
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:26,880
Speaker 2: Packers defense not only showed up and showed out, they

2217
01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:30,960
Speaker 2: did it against two of the league's most capable offenses,

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01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:36,800
Speaker 2: the Washington Commandos and the Detroit Lions. And I don't

2219
01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:39,520
Speaker 2: want to hear about the Lions two offensive coordinators, two

2220
01:55:39,720 --> 01:55:43,800
Speaker 2: coordinators being gone. They're gonna be okay, Johnny Morton, he's

2221
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:46,360
Speaker 2: gonna be fine. They're using the same terminology. Yes, they

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01:55:46,360 --> 01:55:48,840
Speaker 2: don't have you know, Ben Johnson there, But if Ben

2223
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:51,680
Speaker 2: Johnson could just wave a magic wand then why does

2224
01:55:51,720 --> 01:55:54,960
Speaker 2: the Bears offense look like a drunk crossing an icy street. Okay,

2225
01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:58,040
Speaker 2: the Lions scored fifty two week last fifty two points

2226
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:02,480
Speaker 2: against the Bears after managing only thirteen against Green Bay.

2227
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:07,360
Speaker 2: I think that's less an indictment on Detroit and more

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01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:10,760
Speaker 2: of a recognition for the Green Bay packers, who clearly

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01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:14,120
Speaker 2: are getting after it. So what are they doing? How

2230
01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:18,960
Speaker 2: are they doing it? Well? Wasn't that long ago in February?

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01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:21,840
Speaker 2: Did you see what Vic Fangio's Eagles did in the

2232
01:56:21,840 --> 01:56:25,840
Speaker 2: Super Bowl to Kansas City. Put Green Bay uniforms on,

2233
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:31,080
Speaker 2: and that's what you're essentially seeing. Okay, green Bay has

2234
01:56:31,480 --> 01:56:34,360
Speaker 2: an elite pass rush. But even if their pass rush

2235
01:56:34,440 --> 01:56:37,160
Speaker 2: doesn't get home, and it gets home plenty, they've got

2236
01:56:37,200 --> 01:56:40,720
Speaker 2: a secondary made up of guys that can plaster receivers.

2237
01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:45,120
Speaker 2: They have five defensive backs who all play with great instincts,

2238
01:56:45,280 --> 01:56:48,919
Speaker 2: in great athleticism. That is a hell of a parlay.

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Speaker 2: You get to the passer with an elite pass rush

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Speaker 2: and you cover up the receivers. Now, did I mention?

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01:56:57,120 --> 01:56:57,160
Speaker 6: No?

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01:56:57,280 --> 01:56:59,960
Speaker 2: I didn't. Green Bay also leads the league in sack

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01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:04,840
Speaker 2: They also pressure opposing quarterbacks on forty four percent of

2244
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:09,960
Speaker 2: snaps despite playing with five defensive backs eighty percent of

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01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:13,080
Speaker 2: the time. That means you're only rushing four that's the

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01:57:13,080 --> 01:57:16,040
Speaker 2: most you're gonna rush there. I if you really break

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01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:18,800
Speaker 2: it down and watch green Bay closely, this is a

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01:57:18,840 --> 01:57:22,960
Speaker 2: team that has a nice combination of speed and power,

2249
01:57:23,600 --> 01:57:26,840
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you've got this tremendous explosiveness.

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Speaker 2: It's already shown up in Michaeh. Parsons and he hasn't

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01:57:29,440 --> 01:57:31,560
Speaker 2: even started playing full games yet. I think he played

2252
01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:35,400
Speaker 2: what's sixty percent of the snaps week one against Detroit

2253
01:57:35,960 --> 01:57:38,400
Speaker 2: and a little bit more than that week two. So

2254
01:57:38,440 --> 01:57:42,160
Speaker 2: when you have combination of speed, power, Michah Parsons, who

2255
01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:45,400
Speaker 2: is commanding a double team already, and many of those

2256
01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:48,920
Speaker 2: players and still manage to get into the backfield vic

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01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:52,760
Speaker 2: Fangio's style of elite pass rush, You've got a secondary

2258
01:57:52,760 --> 01:57:57,840
Speaker 2: of studs who can plaster you. They're gonna RecA it now.

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01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:01,640
Speaker 2: Even when Michaeh Parsons fails to get home. Green Bay's

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01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:05,400
Speaker 2: four man pressure is so potent and so formidable and

2261
01:58:05,480 --> 01:58:08,640
Speaker 2: so robust. They're forcing quarterbacks to get the ball out

2262
01:58:08,720 --> 01:58:11,640
Speaker 2: quickly before a play can form, doing it with a

2263
01:58:11,680 --> 01:58:14,360
Speaker 2: cover two defense so a safety can come downhill and

2264
01:58:14,360 --> 01:58:18,040
Speaker 2: attack the football. Yeah, it's a nightmare for teams. Now,

2265
01:58:18,280 --> 01:58:22,120
Speaker 2: let's not bury the lead. Michael Parsons presence has managed

2266
01:58:22,120 --> 01:58:24,840
Speaker 2: to make everybody better around them. That's the way these

2267
01:58:24,840 --> 01:58:27,200
Speaker 2: things happen. A guy walks into the locker room and

2268
01:58:27,200 --> 01:58:30,000
Speaker 2: everybody looks up and says, all right, we're gonna get

2269
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:33,520
Speaker 2: behind you and follow you. The two biggest beneficiaries are

2270
01:58:33,560 --> 01:58:37,480
Speaker 2: probably their defensive tackle DeVante Wyatt and their number one

2271
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:42,400
Speaker 2: quarterback casey On Nixon. Now they're kind of having career

2272
01:58:42,480 --> 01:58:45,920
Speaker 2: years already in two games, and I don't see any

2273
01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:49,800
Speaker 2: reason why that can't continue. Why already has two sacks

2274
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:53,800
Speaker 2: and five quarterback hits. Nixon leads the league in pass breakups.

2275
01:58:54,480 --> 01:58:58,600
Speaker 2: But it's not just those true, Okay, Their standouts are everywhere,

2276
01:58:59,160 --> 01:59:01,120
Speaker 2: and they grade well, I mean, they do these things

2277
01:59:01,120 --> 01:59:05,200
Speaker 2: now on Pro Football Focus, even Xavier McKinney has been strong,

2278
01:59:05,240 --> 01:59:08,280
Speaker 2: even though he didn't get the best grade. And finally,

2279
01:59:09,200 --> 01:59:11,880
Speaker 2: you have to give a tremendous tip of the cap

2280
01:59:11,920 --> 01:59:15,600
Speaker 2: to Jeff Haffley. Someday here Dave Wantstet talk about Jeff

2281
01:59:15,600 --> 01:59:18,080
Speaker 2: Haffley and how he started a pit many years ago.

2282
01:59:18,200 --> 01:59:21,520
Speaker 2: He's their defensive coordinator whose background is as a defensive

2283
01:59:21,520 --> 01:59:25,120
Speaker 2: Backs coach, and I believe he's responsible for their improved secondary.

2284
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:30,520
Speaker 2: Now Green Bay is about to completely fully unlock Michael Parsons.

2285
01:59:30,800 --> 01:59:34,480
Speaker 2: So could green Bay get even better? Well, I think

2286
01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:37,040
Speaker 2: they can get even better. We'll see if they do it.

2287
01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:41,240
Speaker 2: Come it up, gambling, Lou, keep it locked, we'll talk

2288
01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:45,680
Speaker 2: NFL some more. It's the Bernie Fraddle Show, Fox Sports Radio.

2289
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:48,680
Speaker 1: Door listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:51,320
Speaker 2: That's right to hear the man Bernie Fraddle Show keeps

2291
01:59:51,400 --> 01:59:54,800
Speaker 2: rolling right along. My name is Bernie Fradderwick, coming line

2292
01:59:54,840 --> 01:59:57,400
Speaker 2: from the Fox Sports Radio studios here in Las Vegas

2293
01:59:57,400 --> 02:00:01,200
Speaker 2: for just seven hours and fifty nine minutes away from

2294
02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:03,920
Speaker 2: NFL Week three. Nobody better to bring in. You've heard

2295
02:00:03,960 --> 02:00:07,240
Speaker 2: him on my show many times. He's a fan favorite.

2296
02:00:07,640 --> 02:00:13,680
Speaker 2: His clear, concise, deliberate way of communicating shows through and

2297
02:00:13,720 --> 02:00:16,960
Speaker 2: his research is impeccable. And let me stop, I say, well,

2298
02:00:17,040 --> 02:00:19,480
Speaker 2: let me introduce him. It's scamb loof and Akaro following

2299
02:00:19,520 --> 02:00:21,840
Speaker 2: him on Twitter at gam blue and Lou. Let me

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Speaker 2: start by saying, today, darn it, I thought you Nebraska

2301
02:00:25,120 --> 02:00:27,760
Speaker 2: Cornhuskers were about to do something to turn the corner

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Speaker 2: on the program and they just couldn't quite close it out.

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Speaker 25: Bernie, good morning. I really appreciate you having me in

2304
02:00:35,600 --> 02:00:39,760
Speaker 25: love to visit with you, especially this time of year

2305
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:44,080
Speaker 25: in the NFL. Yes, I am on Nebraska, but I

2306
02:00:44,160 --> 02:00:45,800
Speaker 25: never grew up a Huscar fan.

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02:00:45,880 --> 02:00:46,920
Speaker 2: That all the way back.

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Speaker 25: It goes back to being in high school and only

2309
02:00:50,160 --> 02:00:53,520
Speaker 25: being offered a half a scholarship. That's how small of

2310
02:00:53,560 --> 02:00:57,880
Speaker 25: a person I am. But I will say this, after

2311
02:00:59,360 --> 02:01:03,160
Speaker 25: twenty five thirty years of real futility in Nebraska, I

2312
02:01:03,200 --> 02:01:07,120
Speaker 25: think everybody was ready to see them rise up and

2313
02:01:07,240 --> 02:01:11,080
Speaker 25: win a big game, especially at home against a nisent opponent,

2314
02:01:11,120 --> 02:01:14,320
Speaker 25: a well named opponent, and dog on it. They just

2315
02:01:14,360 --> 02:01:16,920
Speaker 25: couldn't do it. I was disappointed for him. They're just

2316
02:01:17,040 --> 02:01:20,520
Speaker 25: not ready to get there yet. If anything, I come

2317
02:01:20,560 --> 02:01:23,320
Speaker 25: away with a little more respect for Michigan. I'm not

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02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:27,440
Speaker 25: a big college football fan or I don't spend much

2319
02:01:27,480 --> 02:01:30,360
Speaker 25: time watching it, but I was sure was impressed by

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02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:34,440
Speaker 25: Michigan and the Nebraska is going to be there. It's

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Speaker 25: just a it's an evolution to win. It doesn't happen overnight.

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02:01:39,040 --> 02:01:40,880
Speaker 2: And it was on the day they were celebrating the

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02:01:40,920 --> 02:01:45,120
Speaker 2: thirtieth anniversary of their national championship team. But I digress.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to the business at hand. I want to

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Speaker 2: talk to speak to some games that you've got an

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Speaker 2: eye on, and let's go to Washington where the Commanders

2327
02:01:54,360 --> 02:01:58,240
Speaker 2: are are hosting the Raiders. And apparently the Raiders have

2328
02:01:58,280 --> 02:02:00,960
Speaker 2: become an incredibly trendy player. I've seen they opened up

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02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:03,760
Speaker 2: plus three and a half. Am I mistaken? Or is this?

2330
02:02:04,600 --> 02:02:07,080
Speaker 2: The Raider has been steamed and it's now crossed through

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02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:09,720
Speaker 2: the key number of three, and you can now get

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Speaker 2: the Commander's minus two and a half? Is that? Is

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Speaker 2: that an accurate line?

2334
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Speaker 25: Yes, That's exactly what I'm seeing. And I wasn't seeing

2335
02:02:19,200 --> 02:02:21,680
Speaker 25: any of those threes, to be quite honest with you,

2336
02:02:21,880 --> 02:02:25,840
Speaker 25: just as soon as you know, five or six hours ago.

2337
02:02:25,960 --> 02:02:29,720
Speaker 25: So that's all happened since, and that's not uncommon. The

2338
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:34,000
Speaker 25: college games shut down, and what happens next people start

2339
02:02:34,080 --> 02:02:37,320
Speaker 25: to absolutely look at the at the at the pro game.

2340
02:02:37,480 --> 02:02:38,600
Speaker 6: So I'm seeing.

2341
02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:43,240
Speaker 25: At a joint my DraftKings is currently two and a half,

2342
02:02:43,280 --> 02:02:47,320
Speaker 25: and I'm seeing three even at Circa at the West Gate.

2343
02:02:47,480 --> 02:02:50,680
Speaker 25: So I think with a little patience, we will see

2344
02:02:50,720 --> 02:02:51,400
Speaker 25: some more two.

2345
02:02:51,280 --> 02:02:51,720
Speaker 7: And a half.

2346
02:02:51,840 --> 02:02:54,879
Speaker 25: Hard Rock's got a two and a half. And here's

2347
02:02:55,240 --> 02:02:59,600
Speaker 25: really the basis for my handicap, Bernie. After three weeks

2348
02:02:59,640 --> 02:03:08,600
Speaker 25: event I use a data service called DVOA. It's basically

2349
02:03:09,160 --> 02:03:12,520
Speaker 25: an analytical way to look at the NFL. But for

2350
02:03:12,600 --> 02:03:15,880
Speaker 25: the first three weeks of the season, I don't use

2351
02:03:16,000 --> 02:03:19,000
Speaker 25: the data simply because there is not enough data to

2352
02:03:19,120 --> 02:03:25,200
Speaker 25: really drop on. So I'm forced to handicap my own way,

2353
02:03:25,360 --> 02:03:28,920
Speaker 25: I should say. And really, I've been a contrarian my

2354
02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:31,960
Speaker 25: whole life. And when I look at this game here,

2355
02:03:32,200 --> 02:03:36,160
Speaker 25: I'm very impressed with Las Vegas. I have them overseason

2356
02:03:36,280 --> 02:03:39,880
Speaker 25: wins this year, and I think what Carol has brought

2357
02:03:39,920 --> 02:03:44,440
Speaker 25: to Las Vegas is going to be good, solid defense,

2358
02:03:44,600 --> 02:03:50,240
Speaker 25: running game, and stability. However, this is a situational This

2359
02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:54,720
Speaker 25: is a situational handicap for me. Washington at home. Yes,

2360
02:03:54,800 --> 02:03:58,680
Speaker 25: they're without Jaden McDaniel and in the look aheadline a

2361
02:03:58,720 --> 02:04:02,560
Speaker 25: week ago, when that line came out, Washington was five

2362
02:04:02,600 --> 02:04:05,200
Speaker 25: and a half. Now I'm seeing a full three point

2363
02:04:05,200 --> 02:04:09,440
Speaker 25: discount for them, and that makes sense with Jaden McDaniels

2364
02:04:09,440 --> 02:04:14,000
Speaker 25: out and Mariota in. However, Mariota is a very competent

2365
02:04:14,160 --> 02:04:17,360
Speaker 25: NFL backup quarterback, Mariota.

2366
02:04:17,000 --> 02:04:18,400
Speaker 5: Used to play for Vegas.

2367
02:04:19,200 --> 02:04:22,840
Speaker 25: Players that play against their teams, their old teams.

2368
02:04:22,960 --> 02:04:24,360
Speaker 5: Love to have a good game.

2369
02:04:24,960 --> 02:04:28,600
Speaker 25: I really think Mariota is polished and ready to go here,

2370
02:04:29,280 --> 02:04:34,360
Speaker 25: and I just think that the Washington continuity is going

2371
02:04:34,400 --> 02:04:37,680
Speaker 25: to be too much for Vegas. And let's not forget

2372
02:04:37,760 --> 02:04:41,680
Speaker 25: Washington enters this game off of Thursday. They've had ten

2373
02:04:41,800 --> 02:04:46,000
Speaker 25: days to prepare. Las Vegas travels off of a Monday

2374
02:04:46,080 --> 02:04:49,880
Speaker 25: night football game on six days off to the East

2375
02:04:49,880 --> 02:04:54,080
Speaker 25: Coast for an early game, and by situational, that has

2376
02:04:54,120 --> 02:04:55,560
Speaker 25: a lot to do with it, Sir.

2377
02:04:56,160 --> 02:05:00,400
Speaker 2: I like your analysis because I Marcus Mariota is will

2378
02:05:00,440 --> 02:05:02,720
Speaker 2: be a candidate someday for the one game Hall of Fame,

2379
02:05:03,080 --> 02:05:05,360
Speaker 2: and tomorrow later on today will be that day. I

2380
02:05:05,400 --> 02:05:07,920
Speaker 2: agree with you, He's got that in him for one

2381
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:10,879
Speaker 2: game and then he regretses back to the mean. Meanwhile,

2382
02:05:11,280 --> 02:05:13,600
Speaker 2: I'd be lying if I wasn't concerned about Gino Smith

2383
02:05:13,640 --> 02:05:15,520
Speaker 2: because he threw it a double coverage all day against

2384
02:05:15,520 --> 02:05:17,920
Speaker 2: New England. He got away with it. Not so much

2385
02:05:17,960 --> 02:05:20,280
Speaker 2: money ed against the Chargers, and you're right, it's a

2386
02:05:20,280 --> 02:05:23,520
Speaker 2: spot play with a difficult travel. The Raiders went to

2387
02:05:23,560 --> 02:05:25,840
Speaker 2: New York week or Boston Week one came back and

2388
02:05:25,880 --> 02:05:29,560
Speaker 2: now this I like your thought there. The Cleveland Browns

2389
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:33,080
Speaker 2: lou I happen to think, have a very stingy defense

2390
02:05:33,120 --> 02:05:36,120
Speaker 2: and they're catching seven and a half points at home

2391
02:05:36,560 --> 02:05:39,960
Speaker 2: where the Packers have started out like gangbusters. But this

2392
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:43,080
Speaker 2: could be a deceiving game, Sunday your thoughts.

2393
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:47,720
Speaker 25: Yeah, and here's another one look aheadline seven and so

2394
02:05:47,800 --> 02:05:48,680
Speaker 25: we've seen.

2395
02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:50,720
Speaker 6: That pick up half a point.

2396
02:05:51,400 --> 02:05:55,640
Speaker 25: And for a while in the Washington game, I liked

2397
02:05:56,000 --> 02:05:59,560
Speaker 25: the ten day advantage for Washington. I have to recognize

2398
02:05:59,680 --> 02:06:02,760
Speaker 25: that in this game, Green Bay is the team traveling

2399
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:05,920
Speaker 25: to Cleveland that does have the ten day rest. I

2400
02:06:06,120 --> 02:06:11,120
Speaker 25: look for this game, Bernie to be nineteen sixty seven

2401
02:06:11,240 --> 02:06:16,280
Speaker 25: Cleveland versus Green Bay. I see that because there's there's

2402
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:20,720
Speaker 25: gonna be as there's a great chance of moisture rain

2403
02:06:21,040 --> 02:06:25,040
Speaker 25: in Cleveland. We've got rain that's touching ten to eleven

2404
02:06:25,160 --> 02:06:29,160
Speaker 25: mile an hour, and I think the elements combined with

2405
02:06:29,240 --> 02:06:32,960
Speaker 25: the fact that Cleveland's got a very underrated defense and

2406
02:06:33,000 --> 02:06:37,080
Speaker 25: the green Bay defense is very stout. So between the

2407
02:06:37,120 --> 02:06:41,840
Speaker 25: weather and everybody, I really like Cleveland, and by that

2408
02:06:42,040 --> 02:06:45,839
Speaker 25: I mean the everybody. Thirty one percent of the bets

2409
02:06:46,280 --> 02:06:49,720
Speaker 25: are on Cleveland, so everybody's bet in green Bay. However,

2410
02:06:50,360 --> 02:06:54,360
Speaker 25: seventy three percent of the money is on Cleveland, so

2411
02:06:54,480 --> 02:06:58,360
Speaker 25: Cleveland is seeing a much smaller amount of bets, but

2412
02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:02,320
Speaker 25: a much larger amount of the size of the bat.

2413
02:07:02,760 --> 02:07:06,120
Speaker 25: And that's always an indicator that gets me excited. So

2414
02:07:06,200 --> 02:07:10,160
Speaker 25: Cleveland at home plus seven and a half, I think

2415
02:07:10,200 --> 02:07:13,280
Speaker 25: in the elements for a team that's zero and two

2416
02:07:13,720 --> 02:07:16,400
Speaker 25: at home, they're desperate, they want to win their game,

2417
02:07:16,840 --> 02:07:19,040
Speaker 25: and they get a two and zero team in green Bay.

2418
02:07:19,040 --> 02:07:21,160
Speaker 25: And I think that's part of why we're seeing the

2419
02:07:21,160 --> 02:07:24,400
Speaker 25: line move up to that seven and a half is

2420
02:07:24,440 --> 02:07:27,200
Speaker 25: because green Bay's two and o on Cleveland's oh on two,

2421
02:07:27,720 --> 02:07:28,160
Speaker 25: and I.

2422
02:07:28,040 --> 02:07:31,520
Speaker 2: Think Cleveland is highly capable of hanging that number. Would

2423
02:07:31,560 --> 02:07:33,480
Speaker 2: not be supported that that's going to be a fistfight

2424
02:07:33,520 --> 02:07:35,920
Speaker 2: in a phone booth, and Cleveland will find a way

2425
02:07:35,920 --> 02:07:37,480
Speaker 2: to probably screw it up. And I'll tell you what,

2426
02:07:37,600 --> 02:07:40,000
Speaker 2: that's a lot of points. And when the balls in

2427
02:07:40,040 --> 02:07:41,200
Speaker 2: the air, you want to be on the side of

2428
02:07:41,240 --> 02:07:43,360
Speaker 2: the books, and I think that's who the book's going

2429
02:07:43,400 --> 02:07:46,080
Speaker 2: to need. Lou the other game you've noted here the

2430
02:07:46,160 --> 02:07:49,120
Speaker 2: Broncos catching two and a half against the Charger Chargers

2431
02:07:49,200 --> 02:07:56,080
Speaker 2: another intriguing game, Chargers playing their third straight divisional opponent.

2432
02:07:56,680 --> 02:07:57,720
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on that game?

2433
02:07:58,600 --> 02:07:59,080
Speaker 3: Yes, And.

2434
02:08:00,640 --> 02:08:04,160
Speaker 25: Bernie, what I really am trying to do here? And

2435
02:08:04,560 --> 02:08:07,800
Speaker 25: I said when I opened up, I'm a contrarian better

2436
02:08:08,560 --> 02:08:14,040
Speaker 25: and by contrarion, I'm dying to situate myself against the masses.

2437
02:08:14,480 --> 02:08:16,320
Speaker 25: And boy, you want to you want to pick a

2438
02:08:16,360 --> 02:08:18,400
Speaker 25: game for the masses, I'll just say it like this

2439
02:08:18,520 --> 02:08:24,320
Speaker 25: and the circa millions, the Chargers are the highest picked

2440
02:08:24,440 --> 02:08:25,080
Speaker 25: team in.

2441
02:08:25,120 --> 02:08:28,280
Speaker 2: That even though and a half.

2442
02:08:29,000 --> 02:08:33,280
Speaker 25: That's correct. That said, I'm getting nineteen hundred and thirty

2443
02:08:33,320 --> 02:08:37,960
Speaker 25: seven contestants. There's only six hundred contestants on the Broncos,

2444
02:08:38,440 --> 02:08:40,920
Speaker 25: and I'll be very happy to say that I am

2445
02:08:41,000 --> 02:08:45,840
Speaker 25: one of those. I love the Broncos in this spot. Listen,

2446
02:08:45,960 --> 02:08:49,640
Speaker 25: these two teams are the two teams I believe will

2447
02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:55,000
Speaker 25: compete ultimately for the division title. I think Kansas City.

2448
02:08:55,080 --> 02:08:57,640
Speaker 25: That's going to be a discussion we'll have here in

2449
02:08:57,680 --> 02:09:03,240
Speaker 25: a few minutes. Second road in a row for Denver.

2450
02:09:03,400 --> 02:09:07,680
Speaker 25: So we have to understand that Chargers are off a

2451
02:09:07,760 --> 02:09:11,280
Speaker 25: Monday night football game when they were on the road,

2452
02:09:11,320 --> 02:09:14,160
Speaker 25: and that's a thing for me Sunday night or Monday

2453
02:09:14,240 --> 02:09:18,600
Speaker 25: night ballgame to turn around and compete the next Sunday

2454
02:09:19,040 --> 02:09:22,240
Speaker 25: is a very difficult task you throw on the road

2455
02:09:22,360 --> 02:09:27,080
Speaker 25: on a Monday, and it really compounds things. So a

2456
02:09:27,160 --> 02:09:32,280
Speaker 25: division dog familiarity on the road. Two teams that if

2457
02:09:32,320 --> 02:09:35,400
Speaker 25: they had it their way, they'd win a nine to

2458
02:09:35,440 --> 02:09:38,320
Speaker 25: seven football game. I mean, neither of these two teams

2459
02:09:38,360 --> 02:09:41,760
Speaker 25: really want to stare it out. Jim Harbaugh and Sean

2460
02:09:41,800 --> 02:09:45,520
Speaker 25: Payton both want to play, you know, as you say, Bernie,

2461
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:47,640
Speaker 25: a fifth fight in a phone booth. So I look

2462
02:09:47,720 --> 02:09:50,320
Speaker 25: for a tight, defensive game, a lot of running here,

2463
02:09:50,360 --> 02:09:52,520
Speaker 25: and I'm happy to take the two and a half points.

2464
02:09:52,760 --> 02:09:56,880
Speaker 25: I will say in the Westgate Gold Contest, this is

2465
02:09:56,920 --> 02:10:01,920
Speaker 25: a three point the point spread, and so the Broncos

2466
02:10:01,960 --> 02:10:06,240
Speaker 25: obviously plus three is a much better angle if you

2467
02:10:06,320 --> 02:10:09,320
Speaker 25: can find that three. And I would encourage people to

2468
02:10:09,600 --> 02:10:12,280
Speaker 25: be patient because I think you may see some threes

2469
02:10:12,320 --> 02:10:12,840
Speaker 25: out there.

2470
02:10:13,680 --> 02:10:16,040
Speaker 2: I want to interject something else that I don't think

2471
02:10:16,040 --> 02:10:18,520
Speaker 2: of you overlooked. We know when the Chargers lost for

2472
02:10:18,560 --> 02:10:20,920
Speaker 2: Shawn Slater in August, that was huge, but they've got

2473
02:10:20,920 --> 02:10:25,280
Speaker 2: eight guys an injured reserve. They lost Khalil Mack to

2474
02:10:25,360 --> 02:10:29,320
Speaker 2: an elbow injury Monday night and now he's on injured reserve.

2475
02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:34,040
Speaker 2: Will Disley is out Sunday, and multiple other Chargers are

2476
02:10:34,120 --> 02:10:38,200
Speaker 2: nursing injuries. Your thoughts on how these cluster injuries perhaps

2477
02:10:38,240 --> 02:10:41,440
Speaker 2: start to affect the Chargers starting later on Sunday.

2478
02:10:43,200 --> 02:10:46,280
Speaker 25: Yeah, I think they start to affect the Chargers just

2479
02:10:46,360 --> 02:10:49,840
Speaker 25: by the style of football they play. They're a physical team,

2480
02:10:50,360 --> 02:10:54,000
Speaker 25: as well the fact that it's only six days turnaround again.

2481
02:10:54,680 --> 02:11:00,480
Speaker 25: I mean, you've got Disley, a tight end, a football

2482
02:11:00,560 --> 02:11:06,440
Speaker 25: tight end out, a cornerback, a linebacker, and a safety.

2483
02:11:06,760 --> 02:11:10,040
Speaker 25: So the cornerback and linebackers questionable. The safety is out.

2484
02:11:11,040 --> 02:11:14,240
Speaker 25: That's you know, that's a lot of defense, and Sean

2485
02:11:14,320 --> 02:11:16,800
Speaker 25: Payton knows how to dial that up. I think we

2486
02:11:16,920 --> 02:11:21,160
Speaker 25: see a little bit of spike in the capability for

2487
02:11:21,320 --> 02:11:27,120
Speaker 25: quarterback nicks for Denver, because if you don't, this is

2488
02:11:27,160 --> 02:11:28,840
Speaker 25: going to be a tough game for them to win.

2489
02:11:28,880 --> 02:11:31,600
Speaker 25: We're they're going to really need to see a lot

2490
02:11:31,640 --> 02:11:34,240
Speaker 25: of o knicks and I think we're going to see

2491
02:11:34,280 --> 02:11:37,040
Speaker 25: a lot of bow knicks handing off to oh, by

2492
02:11:37,120 --> 02:11:40,360
Speaker 25: the way, ex Charger running back and now I'm going

2493
02:11:40,440 --> 02:11:43,560
Speaker 25: to of course forget the young man's name, but the

2494
02:11:43,600 --> 02:11:46,600
Speaker 25: starting running back for the Broncos played for the Chargers

2495
02:11:46,680 --> 02:11:47,480
Speaker 25: last year.

2496
02:11:47,960 --> 02:11:52,760
Speaker 2: And real quickly. Not for nothing, Denver has to just

2497
02:11:52,800 --> 02:11:56,200
Speaker 2: be chewing nails. The way that game ended in Indianapolis

2498
02:11:56,320 --> 02:11:58,320
Speaker 2: last Sunday, I get I believe you get max effort

2499
02:11:58,360 --> 02:12:00,520
Speaker 2: of the Chargers later or Bronco later today.

2500
02:12:00,520 --> 02:12:05,720
Speaker 25: Excuse me, Yeah, I'm glad you added that as a supplement, Bernie,

2501
02:12:05,720 --> 02:12:09,200
Speaker 25: because they that was a jip job. They completely got

2502
02:12:09,320 --> 02:12:15,600
Speaker 25: jipped there. I don't know how sometimes these NFL referees

2503
02:12:15,640 --> 02:12:17,840
Speaker 25: get away with some of the stuff that they call.

2504
02:12:17,920 --> 02:12:20,200
Speaker 25: I don't know if there's any repretation to that guy,

2505
02:12:20,240 --> 02:12:22,880
Speaker 25: but that's a great point, and I do think there

2506
02:12:22,880 --> 02:12:25,440
Speaker 25: should be a bur in the saddle of the Broncos.

2507
02:12:25,840 --> 02:12:29,080
Speaker 2: Finally, our Sunday night standalone game, the Chiefs, looking for

2508
02:12:29,160 --> 02:12:32,640
Speaker 2: their first win, visit the Meadowlands if they still call

2509
02:12:32,680 --> 02:12:35,280
Speaker 2: it that land. Six and a half points. That's a

2510
02:12:35,320 --> 02:12:39,200
Speaker 2: big number. Now, it's hard for me to fathom that

2511
02:12:39,360 --> 02:12:42,560
Speaker 2: the Chiefs will go zero to three, But I am

2512
02:12:42,600 --> 02:12:44,560
Speaker 2: in no hurry to lay a touchdown on the road.

2513
02:12:45,320 --> 02:12:48,760
Speaker 2: When you don't have your weapons, half your weapons are

2514
02:12:48,800 --> 02:12:52,040
Speaker 2: gone nowhere she Rice, no Xavier Worthy, and I don't

2515
02:12:52,080 --> 02:12:55,280
Speaker 2: think Travis Kelce can catch passes anymore. Your thoughts on

2516
02:12:55,320 --> 02:12:58,160
Speaker 2: the Chiefs Giants, Yeah.

2517
02:12:57,880 --> 02:13:01,080
Speaker 25: That's exactly how I look at it, And I think

2518
02:13:01,120 --> 02:13:04,840
Speaker 25: the Chiefs, I mean, I know what they were and

2519
02:13:04,880 --> 02:13:09,440
Speaker 25: I know what they still have, But I don't know

2520
02:13:10,120 --> 02:13:13,360
Speaker 25: that a thirty some year old tight end that's getting

2521
02:13:13,360 --> 02:13:17,280
Speaker 25: ready to get married, a world class quarterback, and a

2522
02:13:17,320 --> 02:13:21,760
Speaker 25: world class coach can overcome all the losses they've had

2523
02:13:21,800 --> 02:13:25,320
Speaker 25: on offense as well. That offensive line has yet to

2524
02:13:25,440 --> 02:13:28,840
Speaker 25: really find itself so far this year. The running backs

2525
02:13:28,880 --> 02:13:32,960
Speaker 25: cannot get started, and if you take away some of

2526
02:13:32,960 --> 02:13:35,880
Speaker 25: the ability of that offense to spread the field, they

2527
02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:39,960
Speaker 25: become predictable. And without a run game, obviously you've got

2528
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:43,520
Speaker 25: the quarterback Young Mahomes, leading the team in rushing.

2529
02:13:43,680 --> 02:13:45,520
Speaker 6: So I think that.

2530
02:13:45,520 --> 02:13:49,160
Speaker 25: The problems for the Chiefs continue. I don't see a

2531
02:13:49,280 --> 02:13:53,200
Speaker 25: quick way out until they get some speed at receiver back.

2532
02:13:53,800 --> 02:13:57,480
Speaker 25: And while I view this is you got to like

2533
02:13:57,600 --> 02:14:00,560
Speaker 25: Kansas City to find a way to win, but this

2534
02:14:00,800 --> 02:14:03,560
Speaker 25: is the Giants opener. You can give me six and

2535
02:14:03,560 --> 02:14:06,280
Speaker 25: a half on a team that's going to do their

2536
02:14:06,400 --> 02:14:09,800
Speaker 25: best to get out of the zero and to hold themselves.

2537
02:14:10,600 --> 02:14:12,800
Speaker 25: I really like the effort. I like the fact that

2538
02:14:13,480 --> 02:14:16,120
Speaker 25: New York Giants are at home and in this game,

2539
02:14:16,240 --> 02:14:19,240
Speaker 25: sixty eight percent of the bets on Kansas City, seventy

2540
02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:22,200
Speaker 25: nine percent of the money on Kansas City. This is

2541
02:14:22,240 --> 02:14:25,240
Speaker 25: to me, this is an everybody game, and I love

2542
02:14:25,360 --> 02:14:28,200
Speaker 25: to try and find a game where the public or

2543
02:14:28,440 --> 02:14:31,200
Speaker 25: everyone is at I'm happy.

2544
02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:31,320
Speaker 21: To be.

2545
02:14:33,200 --> 02:14:37,120
Speaker 25: Out in the cold, all by myself standing there with

2546
02:14:37,240 --> 02:14:39,760
Speaker 25: the Giants at home plus six and a half or

2547
02:14:40,280 --> 02:14:42,840
Speaker 25: by the time the game goes. Who knows if that

2548
02:14:43,000 --> 02:14:45,480
Speaker 25: doesn't kick up to seven, you and.

2549
02:14:45,480 --> 02:14:47,640
Speaker 2: Me both brother. I had the Dolphins Thursday night. I

2550
02:14:47,640 --> 02:14:49,920
Speaker 2: don't know how you give a divisional team double digits

2551
02:14:49,920 --> 02:14:51,600
Speaker 2: on a standalone game, but that's a story for a

2552
02:14:51,600 --> 02:14:56,840
Speaker 2: different day. I think laying six and a half is

2553
02:14:56,840 --> 02:15:00,360
Speaker 2: a monumental number, would you lou just so quickly? Earlier

2554
02:15:00,400 --> 02:15:03,120
Speaker 2: in the show, I touched on the Chiefs offensive challenges

2555
02:15:03,640 --> 02:15:07,760
Speaker 2: and Patrick Mahomes and his stats. He isn't ranking lower

2556
02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:11,640
Speaker 2: than twenty first in many of his offensive categories, and

2557
02:15:11,680 --> 02:15:13,960
Speaker 2: his highest twenty eighth or twenty nine to many other ones.

2558
02:15:14,240 --> 02:15:17,000
Speaker 2: So the Chiefs offense has been more abundant and we

2559
02:15:17,040 --> 02:15:19,600
Speaker 2: all know why. Yes, it's been against two tough opponents.

2560
02:15:19,760 --> 02:15:22,440
Speaker 2: I get it, the Chargers and Eagles, but the Giants

2561
02:15:22,480 --> 02:15:24,879
Speaker 2: have a pretty good defensive front. Seven. Ever, so quickly,

2562
02:15:25,120 --> 02:15:27,600
Speaker 2: do you have any thoughts on Baltimore Detroit Monday night?

2563
02:15:27,640 --> 02:15:30,600
Speaker 2: These two teams played two years ago Baltimore one, thirty

2564
02:15:30,640 --> 02:15:33,480
Speaker 2: eight to six in the same spot. It feels like

2565
02:15:33,480 --> 02:15:35,360
Speaker 2: a shootout. I don't have it a feeling for the game,

2566
02:15:35,400 --> 02:15:35,680
Speaker 2: though you.

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02:15:38,160 --> 02:15:40,480
Speaker 25: I've been going back and forth on this one. That's

2568
02:15:40,480 --> 02:15:43,680
Speaker 25: why I avoided putting it on my list to And

2569
02:15:43,920 --> 02:15:49,200
Speaker 25: I will say that at least Detroit they have to travel, yes,

2570
02:15:49,360 --> 02:15:52,160
Speaker 25: but they get the extra day for Monday. That doesn't

2571
02:15:52,200 --> 02:15:57,560
Speaker 25: give him any advantage because Baltimore does too. Currently I

2572
02:15:57,600 --> 02:15:59,920
Speaker 25: am seeing looking for that.

2573
02:16:00,320 --> 02:16:06,520
Speaker 2: Right now four and a half, I believe, Yeah, okay,

2574
02:16:06,560 --> 02:16:09,880
Speaker 2: And so this line on the look ahead a week ago.

2575
02:16:09,880 --> 02:16:11,200
Speaker 25: Was Baltimore seven.

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02:16:11,320 --> 02:16:12,360
Speaker 6: So really, what.

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02:16:13,120 --> 02:16:16,839
Speaker 25: Happened to make that line condense so much? Is Detroit

2578
02:16:16,920 --> 02:16:20,920
Speaker 25: really that good? The last time Detroit Baltimore faced one another,

2579
02:16:20,960 --> 02:16:24,120
Speaker 25: it was a boat race, And I tend to think

2580
02:16:25,120 --> 02:16:27,440
Speaker 25: I tend to think that Detroit's going to have their

2581
02:16:27,520 --> 02:16:30,320
Speaker 25: hands full here. And I think if the line was

2582
02:16:30,400 --> 02:16:32,800
Speaker 25: closer to six and a half or that seven that

2583
02:16:32,920 --> 02:16:35,480
Speaker 25: it was on the look ahead, i'd have an easier

2584
02:16:35,560 --> 02:16:38,480
Speaker 25: time trying to get my arms around Detroit. But at

2585
02:16:38,520 --> 02:16:42,600
Speaker 25: this juncture, I think I have to pass. I hate

2586
02:16:42,640 --> 02:16:45,720
Speaker 25: giving points, so I'd never recommend given the four and

2587
02:16:45,760 --> 02:16:48,720
Speaker 25: a half. I want to like the dog here. I

2588
02:16:48,879 --> 02:16:50,720
Speaker 25: just don't know that I can give them a hearty

2589
02:16:51,360 --> 02:16:53,840
Speaker 25: recommendation from this vantage point.

2590
02:16:54,240 --> 02:16:56,600
Speaker 2: Great stuff, you always pragmatic. Tell the folks where they

2591
02:16:56,600 --> 02:16:57,560
Speaker 2: could find your good work.

2592
02:16:59,080 --> 02:17:02,039
Speaker 25: He can catch me at gamblue dot com. Is my

2593
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Speaker 25: web page, GA M B l o U dot com.

2594
02:17:05,879 --> 02:17:09,280
Speaker 25: And Bernie, I can't tell you how much I appreciate

2595
02:17:09,360 --> 02:17:11,640
Speaker 25: being able to tap into your client tell you have

2596
02:17:11,680 --> 02:17:16,920
Speaker 25: a great show. You're highly informed and I love listening

2597
02:17:16,959 --> 02:17:17,200
Speaker 25: to you.

2598
02:17:18,320 --> 02:17:20,280
Speaker 2: Thanks appreciate that a lot, Lou, and of course we'll

2599
02:17:20,280 --> 02:17:24,960
Speaker 2: get you on again throughout the season as obviously your

2600
02:17:24,959 --> 02:17:27,960
Speaker 2: research is impeccable. New track record too. Thanks Lou, enjoy

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Speaker 2: your Sunday.

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Speaker 25: Have a good morning, everybody, Good luck.

2603
02:17:31,280 --> 02:17:35,320
Speaker 2: Thank you. That is Loufinacaro weighing in. We're seven hours

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Speaker 2: and forty minutes, forty one minutes away from NFL Week three,

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Speaker 2: full show right after we get off the air. Coming up,

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Speaker 2: we have a lot more to get to coaches on

2614
02:18:06,200 --> 02:18:09,360
Speaker 2: the hot seat. And oh, by the way, there are

2615
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Speaker 2: two key matchups I particularly have my eyes on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Want to break them down for you. I'm Bernie Fraderwick

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02:18:16,200 --> 02:18:18,640
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Speaker 2: NFL Week three slate kicks it off. By the way,

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Speaker 2: to the coaches in the hot seat, there are five.

2633
02:19:15,760 --> 02:19:18,720
Speaker 2: I know it's not fair, but what's the old stupid joke.

2634
02:19:18,920 --> 02:19:23,480
Speaker 2: The NFL stands for not for long. Two key matchups

2635
02:19:23,959 --> 02:19:29,120
Speaker 2: that I think are going to have early season ramifications

2636
02:19:29,120 --> 02:19:32,000
Speaker 2: and perhaps might set a tone, but we are early.

2637
02:19:33,160 --> 02:19:36,360
Speaker 2: The first one involves the Rams at the Eagles. Now,

2638
02:19:36,440 --> 02:19:38,200
Speaker 2: the Rams were catching three and a half. I think

2639
02:19:38,240 --> 02:19:40,320
Speaker 2: a lot of Rams action has come in on one

2640
02:19:40,360 --> 02:19:44,280
Speaker 2: of them. The line may be down to three depending

2641
02:19:44,280 --> 02:19:49,959
Speaker 2: where you shop, but I know for fact this game

2642
02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:53,320
Speaker 2: has stuck in the Rams craw since last January and

2643
02:19:53,360 --> 02:19:57,720
Speaker 2: their divisional round meeting. Last January, the Rams came thirteen

2644
02:19:57,840 --> 02:19:59,960
Speaker 2: yards shy of changing the course of the Super Bowl.

2645
02:20:00,840 --> 02:20:03,200
Speaker 2: The Rams were down six with a minute nineteen to go.

2646
02:20:03,959 --> 02:20:10,680
Speaker 2: Matt Stafford and his team they were stoped by Jalen Carter. Yeah,

2647
02:20:10,720 --> 02:20:14,199
Speaker 2: that Jalen Carter, who spit it Dak Prescott on Moday

2648
02:20:14,240 --> 02:20:17,240
Speaker 2: Night Football a week ago. But he can make plays.

2649
02:20:17,320 --> 02:20:23,360
Speaker 2: He sacked Pressure Stafford on back to back plays. Now,

2650
02:20:24,400 --> 02:20:28,280
Speaker 2: Jalen Carter may have clinched that game, but I think

2651
02:20:28,800 --> 02:20:32,720
Speaker 2: it was Saquon Barkley who actually won the game. See

2652
02:20:33,120 --> 02:20:36,280
Speaker 2: that's where I'm going with this. The Rams know that

2653
02:20:36,320 --> 02:20:42,320
Speaker 2: they have to address that later today. Key matchup Saquon

2654
02:20:42,360 --> 02:20:46,840
Speaker 2: Barkley versus the Rams run defense. This is why I'm

2655
02:20:46,959 --> 02:20:51,959
Speaker 2: alluding to these key matchups that we have to watch now.

2656
02:20:52,080 --> 02:20:54,320
Speaker 2: The Rams had no answer for the Eagles run game

2657
02:20:54,400 --> 02:20:58,119
Speaker 2: last season. They allowed they played the Eagles twice, as

2658
02:20:58,120 --> 02:21:00,959
Speaker 2: we talked about earlier in the show, they allowed five

2659
02:21:01,040 --> 02:21:04,400
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety nine yards total rushing in those two losses.

2660
02:21:05,640 --> 02:21:08,760
Speaker 2: And they weren't always just four or five yards in

2661
02:21:08,800 --> 02:21:12,360
Speaker 2: a cloud of dust. Sequon Barkley, all by himself in

2662
02:21:12,400 --> 02:21:16,640
Speaker 2: those two games, broke four total runs of over sixty yards,

2663
02:21:16,879 --> 02:21:20,600
Speaker 2: scored four touchdowns, and averaged the staggering two hundred and

2664
02:21:20,600 --> 02:21:22,720
Speaker 2: thirty yards per game. So all of those five hundred

2665
02:21:22,720 --> 02:21:25,880
Speaker 2: and ninety nine yards, Barkley accounted for four hundred and

2666
02:21:25,920 --> 02:21:28,360
Speaker 2: sixty of them. And of course I'm sure, Jalen Hurts

2667
02:21:28,360 --> 02:21:29,879
Speaker 2: got his share as well, But I'm not gonna sit

2668
02:21:29,920 --> 02:21:35,560
Speaker 2: here and give the rundown. So it's gonna be tough

2669
02:21:35,640 --> 02:21:37,400
Speaker 2: duty for the Rams to go in there and win

2670
02:21:37,520 --> 02:21:41,800
Speaker 2: this game. Outright, they can, I don't know that they will.

2671
02:21:41,840 --> 02:21:45,039
Speaker 2: This isn't quite the same Eagles team. They're replacing six

2672
02:21:45,080 --> 02:21:49,720
Speaker 2: pieces parts on defense, and they haven't thrown a touchdown

2673
02:21:49,800 --> 02:21:52,480
Speaker 2: pass in their two wins and in a one game

2674
02:21:52,520 --> 02:21:54,200
Speaker 2: of fair I think the Rams see this is like

2675
02:21:54,240 --> 02:21:58,160
Speaker 2: a mini playoff game now, even though the Eagles, well,

2676
02:21:58,400 --> 02:22:01,640
Speaker 2: they're really home field advantage. He's only with a point

2677
02:22:01,640 --> 02:22:03,240
Speaker 2: point and a half in the National Football League now,

2678
02:22:03,280 --> 02:22:04,960
Speaker 2: so he put these two on a neutral maybe the league.

2679
02:22:05,040 --> 02:22:08,000
Speaker 2: The Eagles are a two point favorite, but here's the point,

2680
02:22:08,360 --> 02:22:12,039
Speaker 2: they're still slightly better than the Rams. The Rams did, however,

2681
02:22:12,080 --> 02:22:15,520
Speaker 2: address their biggest weakness this passed offseason. They signed a

2682
02:22:15,520 --> 02:22:18,560
Speaker 2: couple of run stoppers. They got nose tackle poona Ford,

2683
02:22:18,640 --> 02:22:23,560
Speaker 2: middle linebacker Nate Landman. So far, so far, the results

2684
02:22:23,560 --> 02:22:26,240
Speaker 2: have been positive. They haven't allowed to run. The Rams

2685
02:22:26,280 --> 02:22:29,200
Speaker 2: haven't allowed to run more than fifteen yards this season,

2686
02:22:30,040 --> 02:22:36,240
Speaker 2: but they haven't faced Saquon Barkley, so I think the Rams.

2687
02:22:36,400 --> 02:22:39,480
Speaker 2: I would expect that the Rams, who had one of

2688
02:22:39,520 --> 02:22:42,200
Speaker 2: the league's worst run defenses in twenty twenty four and

2689
02:22:42,240 --> 02:22:45,760
Speaker 2: still damn near almost got the Super Bowl, to forego

2690
02:22:45,879 --> 02:22:48,960
Speaker 2: stacking the box against Barkley because he exploited that this

2691
02:22:49,080 --> 02:22:52,440
Speaker 2: last season, this is a chess match, this is a

2692
02:22:52,520 --> 02:22:57,480
Speaker 2: game to watch. Then three hours after that game kicks off,

2693
02:22:58,080 --> 02:23:03,119
Speaker 2: the Broncos face the Chargers. Chargers get their first home

2694
02:23:03,160 --> 02:23:05,600
Speaker 2: game in so far. Technically Brazil was a home game,

2695
02:23:05,600 --> 02:23:07,840
Speaker 2: but you know it wasn't. Then they travel here to

2696
02:23:07,920 --> 02:23:11,240
Speaker 2: Las Vegas two and l Chargers laying three against the

2697
02:23:11,280 --> 02:23:14,879
Speaker 2: Denver Broncos, who I think are just livid with the

2698
02:23:14,920 --> 02:23:19,920
Speaker 2: way their game ended in Indianapolis last Sunday. Their favored

2699
02:23:19,920 --> 02:23:24,080
Speaker 2: the Chargers by three, despite the fact they don't have

2700
02:23:24,160 --> 02:23:26,200
Speaker 2: Khalil Mack. As a matter of fact, Khalil Mack is

2701
02:23:26,200 --> 02:23:29,320
Speaker 2: out until at least Week seven due to an hyper

2702
02:23:29,360 --> 02:23:34,000
Speaker 2: extended elbow, and so far the preseason lost to their

2703
02:23:34,040 --> 02:23:36,640
Speaker 2: star left tackle Ray Shawn Slater, who they just signed

2704
02:23:36,680 --> 02:23:39,800
Speaker 2: to a big contract a few weeks ago, hasn't hurt

2705
02:23:39,840 --> 02:23:44,560
Speaker 2: them yet. But the NFL is a game of attrition.

2706
02:23:45,920 --> 02:23:47,920
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be very entertaining battle. It's

2707
02:23:47,959 --> 02:23:52,879
Speaker 2: also a it's a divisional battle. Okay, Chargers playing their

2708
02:23:52,920 --> 02:23:56,080
Speaker 2: third straight divisional game, and should they prevail, they will

2709
02:23:56,120 --> 02:24:02,199
Speaker 2: have a stranglehold on the West. Broncos are one and one.

2710
02:24:02,840 --> 02:24:07,280
Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, they win, they're two and one. Chargers are

2711
02:24:07,280 --> 02:24:10,160
Speaker 2: two and one. Okay, yeah, a genius works your lock.

2712
02:24:10,560 --> 02:24:12,280
Speaker 2: But they'd have the top spot in the FCU West

2713
02:24:12,280 --> 02:24:16,640
Speaker 2: because they have the early tiebreaker over the Chargers. So

2714
02:24:16,879 --> 02:24:20,400
Speaker 2: this is like a mini playoff game, all right, because

2715
02:24:20,400 --> 02:24:22,080
Speaker 2: the Broncos don't want to start one or two and

2716
02:24:22,160 --> 02:24:26,560
Speaker 2: have the Chargers three and zero. Key matchup JK. Dobbins

2717
02:24:26,560 --> 02:24:31,440
Speaker 2: and RJ. Harvey versus the Chargers run defense now. In

2718
02:24:31,520 --> 02:24:35,480
Speaker 2: Denver's two losses to the Chargers last year, their running

2719
02:24:35,480 --> 02:24:39,800
Speaker 2: backs did virtually nothing. Gavante Williams had six carries in

2720
02:24:39,840 --> 02:24:44,039
Speaker 2: twenty three yards and Dodro Gestin nine carries forty eight yards,

2721
02:24:44,720 --> 02:24:48,920
Speaker 2: and that really didn't set the Chargers up well at all.

2722
02:24:49,000 --> 02:24:50,800
Speaker 2: You run the ball, you open up passing lands. You

2723
02:24:50,800 --> 02:24:53,640
Speaker 2: don't run the ball, you lose. That's the way it is.

2724
02:24:54,760 --> 02:24:57,320
Speaker 2: You pass the score points, you run to win the game.

2725
02:24:58,360 --> 02:25:02,120
Speaker 2: Slight advantage Broncos here, I think because these two units.

2726
02:25:02,120 --> 02:25:05,240
Speaker 2: Remember I'm mentioning the Chargers run game with JK. Dobbs

2727
02:25:05,240 --> 02:25:08,560
Speaker 2: and RJ. Harvey versus check that the Broncos run game

2728
02:25:08,600 --> 02:25:11,560
Speaker 2: with JK. Dobbins and RJ. Harvey versus the Chargers run defense.

2729
02:25:12,240 --> 02:25:15,880
Speaker 2: These two squads, these two units, they're trending in opposite directions.

2730
02:25:16,760 --> 02:25:21,840
Speaker 2: Los Angeles is without Poon Afford, the aforementioned Rams Tackle

2731
02:25:22,520 --> 02:25:25,720
Speaker 2: and Khalil Mack, two of their better run defenders who

2732
02:25:25,720 --> 02:25:29,280
Speaker 2: played a key role last year. While Denver has gotten

2733
02:25:29,280 --> 02:25:33,439
Speaker 2: out of the gate with some good running performances, especially JK. Dobbins.

2734
02:25:33,680 --> 02:25:35,440
Speaker 2: He's had more than sixty yards in each of his

2735
02:25:35,480 --> 02:25:39,200
Speaker 2: first two games, and RJ. Harvey has shown real flashes

2736
02:25:39,640 --> 02:25:44,520
Speaker 2: of explosiveness. So should Denver be able to run the ball,

2737
02:25:45,280 --> 02:25:49,119
Speaker 2: they can win that game outright. In Los Angeles, Chargers

2738
02:25:49,120 --> 02:25:53,920
Speaker 2: look forminal. They have a lot of injuries, and we'll

2739
02:25:53,920 --> 02:25:57,360
Speaker 2: see how how that ferrets out when the game starts.

2740
02:25:58,080 --> 02:26:03,879
Speaker 2: But they're not healthy, all right. It's an unforgiving league.

2741
02:26:04,240 --> 02:26:07,720
Speaker 2: It's a sought after job, it's a prestigious job. It's

2742
02:26:07,760 --> 02:26:11,879
Speaker 2: a privilege to coach in the NFL. There's only thirty

2743
02:26:11,920 --> 02:26:15,320
Speaker 2: two of those spots. And it's amazing how just two

2744
02:26:15,320 --> 02:26:18,320
Speaker 2: weeks into an NFL season, for certain teams there's all

2745
02:26:18,440 --> 02:26:21,240
Speaker 2: kinds of optimism and happiness, and for other teams there's

2746
02:26:21,240 --> 02:26:23,440
Speaker 2: all kinds of panic. Because for every team that starts

2747
02:26:23,440 --> 02:26:25,720
Speaker 2: on in too, there are teams that start going too

2748
02:26:26,520 --> 02:26:30,040
Speaker 2: And as I've said earlier, ninety one percent of the

2749
02:26:30,080 --> 02:26:32,480
Speaker 2: time those seasons go off the rails, meaning you don't

2750
02:26:32,600 --> 02:26:38,960
Speaker 2: make the playoffs. Now, the teams that already appear to

2751
02:26:39,040 --> 02:26:42,959
Speaker 2: have their season going off the rails have one thing

2752
02:26:42,959 --> 02:26:46,720
Speaker 2: in common. Most of their head coaches were already fighting

2753
02:26:46,720 --> 02:26:49,960
Speaker 2: for job security before the damn season even began. So

2754
02:26:50,000 --> 02:26:53,720
Speaker 2: for these franchises that already have their coaching staff possibly

2755
02:26:54,320 --> 02:26:56,520
Speaker 2: you don't want to write anybody's death, won't yet possibly

2756
02:26:56,560 --> 02:26:59,720
Speaker 2: heading out the door, it only adds a measure of

2757
02:26:59,720 --> 02:27:04,720
Speaker 2: six to the equation, and it check that adds a

2758
02:27:04,760 --> 02:27:07,960
Speaker 2: measure of pressure because things can, things can unravel and

2759
02:27:08,000 --> 02:27:10,400
Speaker 2: starts to feed upon itself on once the season goes south,

2760
02:27:10,720 --> 02:27:13,640
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you start hearing about, you know,

2761
02:27:14,000 --> 02:27:16,280
Speaker 2: guys getting fired. It gets louder and louder and louder.

2762
02:27:16,280 --> 02:27:18,480
Speaker 2: And for coaches on the hot seat. It never gets

2763
02:27:18,720 --> 02:27:23,960
Speaker 2: any easier, and so it's just inevitable teams that start

2764
02:27:24,000 --> 02:27:26,400
Speaker 2: to look like their ships are sinking as the season starts.

2765
02:27:26,760 --> 02:27:30,560
Speaker 2: They're the ones that are in the spotlight, the lead

2766
02:27:30,640 --> 02:27:34,640
Speaker 2: dog in the house clearly the Miami Dolphins. Unfortunately Mike McDaniel,

2767
02:27:35,120 --> 02:27:38,320
Speaker 2: who is popular, who's an excellent offensive coordinator. Hey, believe

2768
02:27:38,360 --> 02:27:41,920
Speaker 2: it or not, he was twenty eight and twenty five

2769
02:27:42,000 --> 02:27:45,720
Speaker 2: heading into this season, and now he's what twenty eight

2770
02:27:45,760 --> 02:27:50,200
Speaker 2: and twenty eight. And I hate to say it, but

2771
02:27:50,240 --> 02:27:53,119
Speaker 2: the Dolphins season appears to be over after three games.

2772
02:27:53,160 --> 02:27:55,440
Speaker 2: They're off to an own three start. They get blown

2773
02:27:55,480 --> 02:27:58,000
Speaker 2: out by the Colts, they play the Patriots, stuff find

2774
02:27:58,000 --> 02:28:00,320
Speaker 2: a way to lose. They're driving for a tying score

2775
02:28:00,360 --> 02:28:04,280
Speaker 2: Thursday night in Buffalo, and it happens again. The issue, though,

2776
02:28:04,320 --> 02:28:06,920
Speaker 2: it's I don't know what happened to Tua. They gave

2777
02:28:06,959 --> 02:28:09,680
Speaker 2: him the big contract. It's hard not to like to.

2778
02:28:09,879 --> 02:28:12,240
Speaker 2: I don't know whether it's the concussions, whatever. Can't seem

2779
02:28:12,280 --> 02:28:14,760
Speaker 2: to throw the ball down field anymore. Andreuries have heard

2780
02:28:14,800 --> 02:28:18,920
Speaker 2: his progression as a quarterback, and the Dolphins and their

2781
02:28:18,920 --> 02:28:22,879
Speaker 2: star players, well, I don't know. I'm not will never

2782
02:28:22,920 --> 02:28:24,720
Speaker 2: say they quit on Mike mcdanel. It didn't look like

2783
02:28:24,720 --> 02:28:29,160
Speaker 2: that way Thursday night. They don't look happy. It's obvious, okay,

2784
02:28:29,280 --> 02:28:31,640
Speaker 2: And part of it is Mike McDaniel's act. Well, maybe

2785
02:28:31,640 --> 02:28:34,160
Speaker 2: it's wearing a little thin. He's in his fourth season.

2786
02:28:34,160 --> 02:28:37,160
Speaker 2: He's what, he's eight and twelve and now over the

2787
02:28:37,240 --> 02:28:40,800
Speaker 2: last two seasons, never won a playoff game in four seasons. Yeah,

2788
02:28:40,920 --> 02:28:45,320
Speaker 2: it doesn't look good. Meanwhile, no one can question Brian

2789
02:28:45,400 --> 02:28:48,080
Speaker 2: dables proclivity as a coach, but he doesn't have the horses.

2790
02:28:48,080 --> 02:28:50,960
Speaker 2: He's only eighteen and thirty four now, his winning percentage

2791
02:28:50,959 --> 02:28:53,000
Speaker 2: of three forty nine. Every year it seems like Dables

2792
02:28:53,040 --> 02:28:55,280
Speaker 2: on the hot seat, which is kind of a sign

2793
02:28:55,320 --> 02:28:58,320
Speaker 2: of how poor the Giants franchise is run. And you

2794
02:28:58,320 --> 02:29:00,520
Speaker 2: know the curse that seems to have Befallen New York.

2795
02:29:00,800 --> 02:29:02,920
Speaker 2: The Giants played real hard last week in an overtime

2796
02:29:03,000 --> 02:29:05,240
Speaker 2: launch of the Cowboys, but they're zero to two for

2797
02:29:05,240 --> 02:29:08,360
Speaker 2: a second straight season. They just don't have talent on

2798
02:29:08,400 --> 02:29:12,119
Speaker 2: the offensive side of the football and the offensive lines

2799
02:29:12,120 --> 02:29:14,840
Speaker 2: of mess without Andrew Thomas. They drafted Jackson Dart in

2800
02:29:14,879 --> 02:29:17,680
Speaker 2: the first round, but Russell Wilson bought himself another week

2801
02:29:17,720 --> 02:29:20,480
Speaker 2: with a strong game against the Cowboys. The bottom line

2802
02:29:20,520 --> 02:29:23,760
Speaker 2: is the Giants have a brutal schedule, so winning is

2803
02:29:23,760 --> 02:29:27,320
Speaker 2: going to continue to be a challenge. It's hard to

2804
02:29:27,360 --> 02:29:29,520
Speaker 2: defend a coach that's nine to twenty seven over the

2805
02:29:29,600 --> 02:29:33,160
Speaker 2: last three seasons, even if the Giants will eventually turn

2806
02:29:33,240 --> 02:29:35,520
Speaker 2: to Jackson Dart at some point. Look, they're in the

2807
02:29:35,520 --> 02:29:39,680
Speaker 2: midst of a rebuild. Bable could survive it because general

2808
02:29:39,680 --> 02:29:42,440
Speaker 2: manager Joe Shane, who hired him, is still around. But

2809
02:29:42,520 --> 02:29:45,920
Speaker 2: it's ugly now. I don't know if this guy should

2810
02:29:45,920 --> 02:29:49,160
Speaker 2: be on the hot seat. But Brian Callahan of the

2811
02:29:49,160 --> 02:29:51,440
Speaker 2: Tennessee Titans, he's in his second season. He was three

2812
02:29:51,440 --> 02:29:55,959
Speaker 2: and sixteen. He's threened sixteen so far. But I don't

2813
02:29:56,000 --> 02:29:57,480
Speaker 2: think it's fair that he's on the hot seat. He's

2814
02:29:57,480 --> 02:30:00,720
Speaker 2: only coached what nineteen games. Coaches have and fired sooner

2815
02:30:00,720 --> 02:30:03,000
Speaker 2: than that, it has happened. But all of a sudden

2816
02:30:03,040 --> 02:30:05,680
Speaker 2: you got cam Ward. He's learning on the fly, he

2817
02:30:05,720 --> 02:30:10,279
Speaker 2: looks good, he's showing flashes, And that's a question that persisted.

2818
02:30:10,360 --> 02:30:13,560
Speaker 2: But is Brian Callahan a good enough coach to see

2819
02:30:13,600 --> 02:30:17,280
Speaker 2: his development? The Titans just don't know how to win games. Well,

2820
02:30:17,320 --> 02:30:20,400
Speaker 2: that falls on coaching, and Callahan's been under the microscope

2821
02:30:20,400 --> 02:30:23,039
Speaker 2: for his play calling and he's inability to challenge a

2822
02:30:23,080 --> 02:30:25,680
Speaker 2: catch and seemed obvious in Week one, and the offense

2823
02:30:25,840 --> 02:30:28,800
Speaker 2: was way at seeing throughout Week two. They're not good.

2824
02:30:29,400 --> 02:30:32,080
Speaker 2: But the problem is Callahan may not be the guy

2825
02:30:32,160 --> 02:30:34,840
Speaker 2: they could lift him out of the duldrums. Another guy

2826
02:30:34,920 --> 02:30:37,400
Speaker 2: is only in the second season. Dave Knalis, who was

2827
02:30:37,480 --> 02:30:42,120
Speaker 2: not standing offensive coordinator before he went to Carolina. Panthers

2828
02:30:42,120 --> 02:30:44,959
Speaker 2: aren't exactly the most stable franchise easier or remember either.

2829
02:30:45,000 --> 02:30:48,080
Speaker 2: Remember they took number one overall pick Bryce Young, and

2830
02:30:48,160 --> 02:30:52,800
Speaker 2: through six quarters, I will tell you that this fire

2831
02:30:53,440 --> 02:30:56,640
Speaker 2: Canally's the seat wasn't hot. It was on fire because

2832
02:30:56,920 --> 02:30:59,160
Speaker 2: it looked like Bryce Young was continuing to struggle with

2833
02:30:59,240 --> 02:31:02,760
Speaker 2: his progressions and progressions in his completed passes. I will

2834
02:31:02,760 --> 02:31:06,520
Speaker 2: say this, though the fourth quarter was promising. Now Young

2835
02:31:06,560 --> 02:31:09,160
Speaker 2: only ranks twenty nine out of thirty four qualified quarterbacks

2836
02:31:09,160 --> 02:31:10,880
Speaker 2: and passer rating, but I'm not ready to give up

2837
02:31:10,879 --> 02:31:14,320
Speaker 2: on him. Dave Canalis was a quarterback whisperer. He just

2838
02:31:14,360 --> 02:31:17,320
Speaker 2: asked Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson in Seattle many years ago

2839
02:31:17,360 --> 02:31:20,519
Speaker 2: when he resurrected his career. He also helped Baker Mayfield tremendously.

2840
02:31:21,040 --> 02:31:25,039
Speaker 2: But the Panthers seemingly are regressing from last year. So

2841
02:31:25,120 --> 02:31:27,400
Speaker 2: if Bryce Young doesn't get better and the team continues

2842
02:31:27,440 --> 02:31:30,200
Speaker 2: to lose games in the NFC South is the most

2843
02:31:30,200 --> 02:31:36,760
Speaker 2: winnable division in all of football. Not good now, Kevin Stefanski.

2844
02:31:36,800 --> 02:31:38,920
Speaker 2: He's been Coach of the Year twice. He's a good coach.

2845
02:31:38,959 --> 02:31:41,560
Speaker 2: He would easily be picked up by another franchise if

2846
02:31:41,600 --> 02:31:44,880
Speaker 2: the Browns said goodbye. But unfortunately he's the head coach

2847
02:31:44,879 --> 02:31:47,480
Speaker 2: of a match of rebuild and let's face it, they

2848
02:31:47,480 --> 02:31:50,039
Speaker 2: can't seem to get out of the shadow of Deshaun Watson.

2849
02:31:50,680 --> 02:31:53,000
Speaker 2: So there you have it. Best of luck to all participates.

2850
02:31:53,080 --> 02:31:55,400
Speaker 2: Coming up, we wrap up the show, and this is

2851
02:31:55,440 --> 02:32:00,320
Speaker 2: important I have to give. I have to give Clayton

2852
02:32:00,360 --> 02:32:02,440
Speaker 2: Kershaw's props. I'm Bernie fradder Work, come to your line

2853
02:32:02,440 --> 02:32:05,040
Speaker 2: from Las Vegas Fox Sports Radio Studios. Keep it locked.

2854
02:32:05,280 --> 02:32:07,680
Speaker 2: You listened to the Bernie Fradle Show on Fox Sports Radio.

2855
02:32:09,120 --> 02:32:11,320
Speaker 2: Wrap it up on The Bernie Fraddle Show and special

2856
02:32:11,400 --> 02:32:16,240
Speaker 2: thanks to our producers Mark and Brianna and yes, it's

2857
02:32:16,240 --> 02:32:19,000
Speaker 2: an NFL Sunday, and we are seven hours and thirteen

2858
02:32:19,040 --> 02:32:23,959
Speaker 2: minutes away from WINFL Week three. But Clayton Kershaw announced

2859
02:32:24,000 --> 02:32:28,360
Speaker 2: his retirement this past week and pitched his final home

2860
02:32:28,520 --> 02:32:33,360
Speaker 2: regular season game at Dodger Stadium. And in a minute,

2861
02:32:33,400 --> 02:32:35,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to share with you I think he'll be

2862
02:32:35,480 --> 02:32:39,400
Speaker 2: remembered how he should be remembered. But I want you

2863
02:32:39,440 --> 02:32:41,720
Speaker 2: to know this because too much has been made of

2864
02:32:41,760 --> 02:32:44,840
Speaker 2: all these wonks who say that wins are not really

2865
02:32:44,879 --> 02:32:48,800
Speaker 2: an important analytic and all the sabermetric guys saying wins

2866
02:32:48,800 --> 02:32:51,680
Speaker 2: are an overvalight stat. No, you pitch to win the game.

2867
02:32:51,680 --> 02:32:53,959
Speaker 2: You play to win the game. I've seen many a

2868
02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:57,480
Speaker 2: great pitchers who had a rough first second inning and

2869
02:32:57,520 --> 02:32:59,840
Speaker 2: they're down four to one, but they hang in there

2870
02:33:00,080 --> 02:33:01,880
Speaker 2: eight innings. All of a sudden it's tied in the

2871
02:33:01,920 --> 02:33:04,879
Speaker 2: sixth inning, seventh inning, and they're battling, and they keep

2872
02:33:04,920 --> 02:33:07,720
Speaker 2: their team in position to win or even win the game.

2873
02:33:08,040 --> 02:33:10,000
Speaker 2: Show me a pitcher who doesn't care about getting a

2874
02:33:10,080 --> 02:33:12,440
Speaker 2: w I'll show you somebody who's not a pitcher. Show

2875
02:33:12,480 --> 02:33:14,360
Speaker 2: me a bad pitcher who's leading the league and wins.

2876
02:33:14,400 --> 02:33:18,600
Speaker 2: No such thing impossible. But there's only one all time

2877
02:33:18,680 --> 02:33:21,880
Speaker 2: great pitcher who never had a sub five hundred and

2878
02:33:21,920 --> 02:33:24,720
Speaker 2: one lost season, I believe it or not. I'm about

2879
02:33:24,720 --> 02:33:28,480
Speaker 2: to name sixteen Hall of famers, all of them had

2880
02:33:28,480 --> 02:33:33,040
Speaker 2: at least one sub five hundred season. Bob Gibson, Lefty Grove,

2881
02:33:33,080 --> 02:33:37,440
Speaker 2: Early Win, Whitey Ford, Sandy Kofax, Peter Martinez, Randy Johnson,

2882
02:33:37,480 --> 02:33:41,440
Speaker 2: Walter Johnson, Roger Clemens, Tom Sever, Warren Spahn, Cy Young,

2883
02:33:42,120 --> 02:33:47,400
Speaker 2: Christy Matthewson, Grover Cleveland, Alexander, Bob Feller, Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer,

2884
02:33:48,800 --> 02:33:53,039
Speaker 2: Greg Maddox, Jim Palmer, Nolan Ryan, Steve Carlton, and even

2885
02:33:53,200 --> 02:33:56,160
Speaker 2: Whitey Ford. That's a hell of a roster. But there's

2886
02:33:56,200 --> 02:33:59,520
Speaker 2: only one player, all time great pitcher who never had

2887
02:33:59,520 --> 02:34:02,560
Speaker 2: a sub five hundred and one last season, and his

2888
02:34:02,640 --> 02:34:07,760
Speaker 2: name is Clayton Kershaw. That's an incredible statistic. And before

2889
02:34:07,800 --> 02:34:10,480
Speaker 2: I close the show, I'll give you another incredible statistic

2890
02:34:10,920 --> 02:34:13,880
Speaker 2: because he's the only one who's done this since nineteen hundred,

2891
02:34:13,879 --> 02:34:15,600
Speaker 2: that's one hundred and twenty five years. I'll tell you

2892
02:34:15,600 --> 02:34:19,279
Speaker 2: what else he did. But how will Clayton Kershaw be remembered?

2893
02:34:19,280 --> 02:34:22,520
Speaker 2: And since we're broadcasting in Los Angeles, one of our

2894
02:34:22,560 --> 02:34:26,000
Speaker 2: six hundred affiliates across the country and around the world.

2895
02:34:26,120 --> 02:34:31,160
Speaker 2: In iHeart Media five seventy am the Great Blowtorch. There's

2896
02:34:31,200 --> 02:34:34,160
Speaker 2: no doubt in mind mind that Clayton Kershaw is going

2897
02:34:34,200 --> 02:34:37,120
Speaker 2: to be remembered as one of the greatest Dodgers of

2898
02:34:37,160 --> 02:34:42,920
Speaker 2: all time. An incredibly intense competitor, not just down the mound,

2899
02:34:43,480 --> 02:34:48,280
Speaker 2: his preparation, his focus, his dedication to his craft. He

2900
02:34:48,720 --> 02:34:52,640
Speaker 2: was the type of guy that managed to combine a

2901
02:34:52,680 --> 02:34:59,320
Speaker 2: certain intensity that earned him nothing but respect from his teammates,

2902
02:34:59,400 --> 02:35:02,840
Speaker 2: from his peers, his rivals. And he's only been a Dodger.

2903
02:35:03,680 --> 02:35:07,040
Speaker 2: He's only been a Dodger. I actually saw him pitch

2904
02:35:08,240 --> 02:35:10,600
Speaker 2: against the Lansing Lugnuts. I think it was back in

2905
02:35:10,600 --> 02:35:12,320
Speaker 2: two thousand and six when I'll still living in Michigan.

2906
02:35:12,400 --> 02:35:15,160
Speaker 2: He knew that the guy was going to be something.

2907
02:35:17,200 --> 02:35:21,840
Speaker 2: Kershaw not only had a real connection to his teammates

2908
02:35:21,840 --> 02:35:24,160
Speaker 2: in the game, but he had an emotional connection right

2909
02:35:24,760 --> 02:35:27,600
Speaker 2: because he had all the highs and lows that baseball

2910
02:35:28,160 --> 02:35:33,640
Speaker 2: can offer. Issues in October, injuries, lengthy outages, bitter lows,

2911
02:35:33,680 --> 02:35:38,080
Speaker 2: record high setting records, and in doing so, he maintained

2912
02:35:38,120 --> 02:35:40,720
Speaker 2: his dignity as a one of a kind guy, a

2913
02:35:40,760 --> 02:35:44,400
Speaker 2: picture of his generation, iconic figure, and he bodies what

2914
02:35:44,440 --> 02:35:47,480
Speaker 2: it means to be a Dodger for Dodger fans who

2915
02:35:47,560 --> 02:35:53,400
Speaker 2: really know that, And so in doing so, Kershaw also

2916
02:35:53,480 --> 02:35:55,920
Speaker 2: forged a very deep connection with the team's fan base.

2917
02:35:57,320 --> 02:36:02,959
Speaker 2: Now we know, Kershaw had multiple multiple statistical achievements, three

2918
02:36:03,080 --> 02:36:09,200
Speaker 2: SYNG Awards, an MVP Award, five ERA titles, over three

2919
02:36:09,240 --> 02:36:12,720
Speaker 2: thousand strikeouts in his career. That makes him alone right there,

2920
02:36:12,760 --> 02:36:16,720
Speaker 2: one of the all time greats. Will Clinton Kershaw get

2921
02:36:16,760 --> 02:36:20,480
Speaker 2: into the Hall of Fame? I say, it's way better

2922
02:36:20,560 --> 02:36:22,959
Speaker 2: than fifty to fifty. You just don't know these days.

2923
02:36:23,959 --> 02:36:28,280
Speaker 2: But whatever happens, he's already solidified his position as one

2924
02:36:28,320 --> 02:36:30,360
Speaker 2: of the best pitchers in Major League Baseball history and

2925
02:36:30,400 --> 02:36:35,360
Speaker 2: certainly in Dodger history. Why partly because Kershaw was a

2926
02:36:35,400 --> 02:36:39,880
Speaker 2: model of excellent, excellent consistency. There's just new top, no

2927
02:36:39,920 --> 02:36:43,000
Speaker 2: doubt about it. He dominated, He had a level of dominance,

2928
02:36:44,360 --> 02:36:47,440
Speaker 2: and as I said a minute ago, he never had

2929
02:36:47,440 --> 02:36:51,160
Speaker 2: a losing season his career. Frank Sinatter once said there's

2930
02:36:51,160 --> 02:36:55,119
Speaker 2: something to be said for longevity. So Kershaw has been

2931
02:36:55,120 --> 02:36:58,360
Speaker 2: around as a fixture as part of the heart of

2932
02:36:58,400 --> 02:37:02,560
Speaker 2: the Dodger family for eighteen years, and it hasn't been

2933
02:37:02,800 --> 02:37:05,959
Speaker 2: always a great eighteen years. Remember, they hadn't won a

2934
02:37:06,040 --> 02:37:07,560
Speaker 2: World Serious in s eighty eight, and a lot of

2935
02:37:07,560 --> 02:37:09,560
Speaker 2: folks didn't want to give him credit for twenty twenty.

2936
02:37:09,959 --> 02:37:13,439
Speaker 2: So he helped. He was there when the team struggled,

2937
02:37:13,560 --> 02:37:16,240
Speaker 2: he was there when the team had success, and so

2938
02:37:16,920 --> 02:37:19,359
Speaker 2: in addition to being a great Dodger, a great pitcher,

2939
02:37:19,760 --> 02:37:22,959
Speaker 2: a great professional, he became a guy who transcended the

2940
02:37:22,959 --> 02:37:26,760
Speaker 2: game and a revered individual in the city Los Angeles

2941
02:37:27,320 --> 02:37:33,119
Speaker 2: that loves its sports legends. Never forget when the Dodgers

2942
02:37:33,120 --> 02:37:36,760
Speaker 2: were down on the dumps. The team started to have

2943
02:37:36,800 --> 02:37:40,120
Speaker 2: success in the twenty tens, couldn't quite get over the hump,

2944
02:37:42,480 --> 02:37:45,320
Speaker 2: But Clayton Kershaw was very much in the center of

2945
02:37:45,360 --> 02:37:47,480
Speaker 2: all that. He was the backbone of all that. The

2946
02:37:47,560 --> 02:37:49,840
Speaker 2: Dodgers had been knocking on the door for a long time.

2947
02:37:50,240 --> 02:37:52,879
Speaker 2: They were a perennial contender, but they couldn't quite get

2948
02:37:52,879 --> 02:37:56,240
Speaker 2: over the hump until they did again, Until they did again.

2949
02:37:57,160 --> 02:38:00,920
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty World Serious Championship, twenty twenty four Worlds Championship,

2950
02:38:01,240 --> 02:38:07,680
Speaker 2: three second Awards, An MVP over three thousand strikeouts, intensely competitive, dedicated,

2951
02:38:08,080 --> 02:38:14,360
Speaker 2: great teammate, iconic presence, fan favorite, the emotional connection. Now,

2952
02:38:14,360 --> 02:38:17,480
Speaker 2: what's the second thing that Kershaw has done? Of such

2953
02:38:17,640 --> 02:38:22,240
Speaker 2: great notoriety? Clayton Kershaw is the only pitcher in Major

2954
02:38:22,320 --> 02:38:27,240
Speaker 2: League Baseball since nineteen hundred to have accumulated over two

2955
02:38:27,360 --> 02:38:32,280
Speaker 2: hundred wins of having less than one hundred losses. Clayton

2956
02:38:32,360 --> 02:38:38,080
Speaker 2: Kershaw's career record two hundred and twenty two wins ninety

2957
02:38:38,120 --> 02:38:41,600
Speaker 2: six losses. Add that to the nineteen other Hall of

2958
02:38:41,600 --> 02:38:44,640
Speaker 2: famers who had at least one sub five hundred season.

2959
02:38:44,680 --> 02:38:47,400
Speaker 2: Kershaw never had one two hundred wins less than one

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Speaker 2: hundred losses. The person to come close to that a

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Speaker 2: guy by the name of Pedro Martinez two hundred and

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Speaker 2: nineteen wins and one hundred losses. So there you have it.

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Speaker 2: How will Clayton Kershaw be remembered? That's how I think

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Speaker 2: he should be remembered. It's gonna do it for the

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Speaker 2: Bernie Frownisher. We'll see you next week. Keep it locked

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Speaker 2: up next to great Andy Furman. Fox Sports Radio