1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Brady. Oh Hello, welcome back to 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel. 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our 7 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: super producer likes his code name dot Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, 8 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: you are you. You are here, and that makes this 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to know. It is 10 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: one of our favorite times of the week when we 11 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: get to hear from our fellow conspiracy realists across the globe, 12 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: and we mean that in a very real way. Today 13 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: we're going to follow up on some great voicemails we received. 14 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a lot little bit about tasers, but 15 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: not in the way you think. We're going to talk 16 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: a little bit about mysterious Neolithic sites that we we 17 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: think have to be a future episode. Uh. And then 18 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: we're also going to dive into a very troubling story 19 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: from our neighbors to the north in Canada. Heads up 20 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: on that one there will We'll give you a disclaimer 21 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: in the front because it may not be suitable for 22 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: all audiences. But maybe we start out today with a 23 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: voicemail because, as you know, folks, um, I was off 24 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: doing some completely non sketchy stuff that we are not 25 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: going to explain. Okay, guys, cool, thank you, thank you 26 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: for better Fred and uh um. While doing that, you 27 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: guys did an excellent roundup of some voicemails. And like 28 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: we do whenever we do an all voicemail episode, there's 29 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: so much amazing Sean stuff that we just can't quite 30 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: get to because everyone is a rabbit hole all its own. Uh. 31 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: And that's why I think we have We have some 32 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: more voicemails that we we wanted to to share today. 33 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: Is that correct? It is indeed, and we will start 34 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: off with one from jingle. Hey, guys, this is I 35 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: don't stop nickname. You can call me a jingle that'll work. Uh, 36 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: give my voice on the air. I don't care matter. 37 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: Uh sorry, I'm driving, but you guys were just talking 38 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: about glitter. And I don't know why my brain knows this, 39 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: but there is glitter in tasers, and it's glitter in tasers, 40 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: and it has serial numbers on it or something so 41 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: they can track shoutow taser or something. I don't know 42 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: why my brain knows this, but you guys didn't mention it, 43 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: and I thought it's all because the defense category, and 44 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: I just thought I'd let you go. Now, Okay, that's all, 45 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: have a good one later. Well, first of all, Jingle, 46 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: I think all three of us can relate to not 47 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: knowing why our brain knows certain things. Um. Yeah, and 48 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: here we are glitter in tasers. I think it really 49 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: was fascinating to all of us and a lot of 50 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: listeners to the glitter conspiracy, the idea that there is 51 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: some force out there that's buying all the glitter and why, 52 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: and not to mention the pollutant aspect of it in 53 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: microplastics and how much damn glitter there is in the 54 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: shining sea. It's not shiny because of the glitter, but 55 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: they're sure is a hell of a lot of the 56 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: stuff in there. Um, so glitter in tasers. Uh. A 57 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: cursory google of glitter in tasers will yield you some 58 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: very glittery tasers. Let me tell you some delightfully bespoke, uh, 59 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: you know, colorful glittery tasers. Because if you're gonna stun 60 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: somebody in a submission. You might as well do it 61 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: in style. That's that's what I say. Um, make it fun, 62 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 1: you know, make it a statement about yourself as well, exactly. 63 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: And if I mentioned I think I did when I 64 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: was on the Daily Site guys recently, but maybe not 65 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: on this show. Um. When I was a kid, I 66 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: used to always go to this flea market and they'd 67 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: have those booths that sell like knives and tasers and 68 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: gun adjacent things, but not you know, guns all the way. 69 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: But I remember seeing something that was called a taser knife. 70 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: It was a knife with a built in taser, just 71 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: in case, you know, tasing or stabbing weren't enough. It's 72 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: a dual function device. There, I have one of those. Actually, 73 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: no you don't. I had, Okay, I was about to say, 74 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: what why just out of curiosity or out of curiosity 75 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: you you you know me, guys. I like multifunctional stuff, 76 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: you know that. So glitter and tasers didn't didn't get 77 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: any hits um, which I was surprised by. So I 78 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: dug a little bit deeper and I found a really 79 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: great red thread on today I learned, um, and it 80 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: says this, when a taser is fired, it releases tiny 81 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: bits of uniquely numbered not glitter, but confetti. See I 82 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: can see the the confusion there, or like it's easy 83 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: to conflate confetti with glitter. They're tiny, particular things that 84 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: are meant to cause a show and be like a 85 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: kind of wow factor thing, So uniquely numbered confetti that 86 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: correlate to the specific weapon. It can then allow Taser 87 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: International this is a specific brand, uh that doesn't make 88 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: the taser necessarily, but there's specific companies that make the 89 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: cartridge inside the taser the same way like a printer 90 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: has a you know, ink cartridge, a taser has like 91 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: a taste cartridge. I guess I can then allow Taser 92 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: International to track the sale of the specific weapon, which 93 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: could lead police to the buyer. And when you look 94 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: at these, they're a little round, um kind of cut 95 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: out pieces of plastics, so presumably they're still in the 96 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: league of microplastics. But they're not nearly as small as 97 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: a piece of glitter because you can actually see the 98 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: text on them, and they are multicolored. Uh, and presumably 99 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: they shoot out but not And like this wouldn't that 100 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: be fun though? If all tasers just shot out confetti 101 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: when you use them. That'd be fun, it would be 102 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: a fun way to get taste. Um. And then yeah, 103 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: these are what are called micro tagg iNTS, Ben you 104 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: um when we did the glitter episode, that was one 105 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: of the possible uses kind of off the books, not 106 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: necessarily off the books. It's it's legal, of course, but 107 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: the company that has a certain type of one of 108 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: these tagg ins doesn't want other companies to know because 109 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: then it would confuse things that if any companies have 110 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: the same ones. But then again, you think maybe they 111 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: would want them to know so that they wouldn't use 112 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: the same ones, because there's no no one's trying to 113 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: cover anything up. If anything, they're trying to make it 114 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: where they can trace the use of these weapons. But 115 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: micro tagg iNTS, I believe, is the term been. Yeah, yeah, 116 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: all that's right. And I love that you're bringing up this, 117 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: uh this reddit thread because it talks also kind of 118 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: tangentially about some of the issues with tag ins, which 119 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: micro tagg ins or tag ins really are just what 120 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: you what you describe. They can be any kind of 121 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: serialized particle. Uh, they can help you trace the source 122 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: of I guess a taser in this case, a taser 123 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: manufacturer cartridge manufacturer. They can also be added to gunpowder 124 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: as well. So this has this is low key been 125 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: um an enormous controversy for a number of decades that 126 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: you wouldn't really know about unless you are already sort 127 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: of living in some aspect of that world. Yeah, that's right. 128 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: And you know, presumably whatever tag ins are in gunpowder 129 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: would be much much smaller, um, because it would have 130 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: to be mixed in with the powder, which is not 131 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: as small as a part were not as small as 132 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: a particle gets, but quite small, smaller than a little 133 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: round piece of plastic. With the taser though, it just 134 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: needs to fire. And then presumably you could you know, 135 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: use a magnifying glass and find them at the scene. Um, 136 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: I guess I don't only think of tasers being used, 137 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: And no, they certainly could be someone was maybe a 138 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: kidnapping victim and they were tasted and then you know, 139 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: taking hostage or throwing the back of a van. The 140 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: police or detectives looking into the case could potentially figure 141 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: out where the the stun gun was was purchased. And 142 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: there's also there's a issue with it's a little conspiratorial. 143 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: There's this idea that the n r A has put 144 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: its hand in uh into the holes of Congress to 145 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: stop any research into tagg ins or to stop and well, 146 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: that part is true. The conspiracy is why they would 147 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: do this. Yeah, it's it gets pretty sticky, pretty burkey, 148 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: pretty quickly. Yeah. It always kind of blows my mind 149 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: how the n r A gets, you know, a little 150 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: bit persnicketty about things that would not be an issue 151 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: to any law abiding gun user. Nice you we're saying, Yeah, 152 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: I think one of the arguments that are a made 153 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: in the gunpowder thing, which jingle is different of course 154 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: from the taser stuff. One of the arguments he made 155 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: regarding gunpowder was that inclusion of tagg ins might destabilize 156 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: in some way the gunpowder, which potentially can make it 157 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: less safe for the user use at least. Again, that's 158 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: not us CO signing them, that's what they said. Well, 159 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: in any case, um, not glitter, but I guess confetti 160 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: or micro taggons, which does sound fun to your point, 161 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: it does, and and and one of the things that 162 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: we talked about in the glitter episode is specifically to glitter. 163 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: You know, they're obviously different manufacturers, not that many. If 164 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: you listen to the episode, you'll hear about that. Um. 165 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: But if you had a proprietary type of glitter, then 166 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: you would be able to you know, trace it back 167 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: to that particular weapon. But you wouldn't necessarily want some 168 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: other manufacturer using the same material because then it wouldn't 169 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: you know, it might point in the wrong direction. And 170 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: just really quickly from the same Reddit thread, there was 171 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: a link to an article talking about a positive use 172 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: of tagg ins. In nineteen seventy seven, four manufacturers of 173 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: dynamite and liquid explosives used tag ins um in in 174 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 1: their material. This is a three M. The tag ins 175 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: were manufactured by three M rather uh and trace markers 176 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: lead to the capture of a truck bomber in nineteen 177 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: seventy nine. UM. This was the same year that the 178 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: n r A pressured Congress to stop really, like you said, 179 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: ben research into tagg ins. And this was after at 180 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty congressional report did find that tagg ins could 181 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: increase arrests for bombings by as much as seventy But 182 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: still in the n r A, you know, pushed back 183 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: and if we're talking about there's you found uh excellent 184 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: source here know about the specifics of tagg ins in 185 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: tasers because our pal jingle is on the money here. 186 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: It's not just you might not call them glitter necessarily, 187 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: but these tasers are definitely ejecting something what uh like 188 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: what percentage? How much? Because like you said, when when 189 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: a taser is when a taser is fired, it's not 190 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: shooting off a bunch of confetti, right, It doesn't seem 191 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: like visible to people. No, that's all. The whole point 192 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: is that it's not visible. And I love there's an 193 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:40,479 Speaker 1: acronym for it. We love an acronym apeids uh Anti 194 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: Felony Identification devices. And in Bermuda UM which is the 195 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: article that I found from the Bermuda News of Bermuda 196 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: police officers are carrying tasers that have these aphids built 197 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: into them. So how many how much confetti are we 198 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: talking about when they fire? These? Only around twenty to 199 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: thirty pieces, So you know that's enough that if you 200 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: knew what you were looking for, there would be some 201 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: nearby the scene, but not so many that like it 202 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: would be obvious to anyone around. That's weird. Should come 203 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: up with a new system that each taser has a 204 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: specialized audio track that plays when it gets fired. Each 205 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: one of them has a different like sound effect. Wow, 206 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: the machine picked up this weird sound on our shot 207 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: spotter sounded a lot like an elephant. Oh yeah, sir, 208 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: we've matched it directly to this taser. Another thing was 209 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: interesting again is that bermuda um source that you found. 210 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: Another thing that caught my interest from there is that 211 00:12:55,320 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: they talk about tasers having a data port and you 212 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: can see the time and date of use and it 213 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: it seems pretty precise, right, I mean, it doesn't tell 214 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 1: you the location. It's not geo tagged. One would hope, 215 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: and and and one would also. I mean we've I 216 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: think I can't remember which one, but I've seen this 217 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: in a number of different kind of future sci fi 218 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: type things, situations where cops can't fire the gun until 219 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: a threat has been confirmed. Um, no, I know it was. 220 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: It was Watchman. In the Watchman television series kind of prequel, 221 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: there was a whole situation where a cop got killed 222 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: by a terrorist outfit because he couldn't get his gun 223 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: to release. So in this future where cops are kind of, 224 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: you know, heavily policed, Uh, this ended up being an issue, um, 225 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: because they actually couldn't deploy the weapon in time to 226 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: protect themselves. So it was an interesting kind of like counterpoint, 227 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: is that an insane idea to have that same kind 228 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: of data port required on all new weapons manufactured. Oh, 229 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: I don't think it. It's kind of what I was 230 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: getting at there. There would be a better way to 231 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: do it, at the very least to hold the officers 232 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: accountable in the same way you would with body cam. 233 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: But we also keep seeing these incidents where why is 234 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: there no body cam footage and why is the data? 235 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 1: Was the data poor? Oh? No, that the USB card 236 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: was deleted, you know, like it just seems like it's 237 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: not necessarily always going to you know, be helpful if 238 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: the system doesn't really require it, you know, if there's 239 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: ways around it anyway, Jingle, thank you for this is 240 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: a really great kind of dovetail to our microtaggons conversation 241 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: and where does the Glitter Go conversation. Um, we're gonna 242 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: take a quick break and then come back with another 243 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: piece of listener mail. And we have returned with an 244 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: email from ghost. As we said at the top of 245 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: this listener mail segment. Uh, this is the warning, the disclaimer. Uh, 246 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: this is pretty arc stuff. It may not be appropriate 247 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: for all members of the audience today, but we did 248 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: feel it is important. We do feel it's crucial to 249 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: communicate this kind of information, especially this is the stuff 250 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: that parts of the Canadian government do not want you 251 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: to know. So we're going to share, uh, We're going 252 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: to share Ghosts missive to us. We're going to mention 253 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: some of the sources. Uh. And we'll keep this part 254 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: a little bit brief because this is probably an episode 255 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: in the future. Here we go, Ghosts says, you can 256 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: call me ghost. While I usually enjoy spooky fun, what 257 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: I'm about to say is by no means an easy, 258 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: breezy campfire story. There have been reports of many elderly, 259 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: physically disabled, mentally ill, and veterans being coerced into made 260 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: we Love, an acronym medically assisted in death. They've been 261 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: coerced into medically assisted deaths by government employee who are 262 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: supposed to help US Canadians in finding and using the 263 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: services we need to achieve better fulfillment in our lives. 264 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: Ghosts says, I first heard about this in CBC Radio's 265 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: White Coat, Black Art, where a woman's sister was experiencing 266 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: early onset Alzheimer's opted for made after mentioning it despite 267 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: being a fully functional woman. What Ghost is saying here 268 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: is that the sister in this case, her sibling was 269 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: having early onset alzheimer and then was opted for it. 270 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: This was a coerced death. Many of these course deaths 271 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: can be avoided if we have better social and public 272 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: services available. Ontario Disability Support Program or o DSP is 273 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: barely enough to pay rent, let alone groceries ad a 274 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: phone bill. And if you've listened to previous episodes, especially 275 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: on foreign investment in real estate, then you know that 276 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: our neighbors to the north and Canada, many of whom 277 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: are listening today, are experiencing skyrocketing housing prices worse than here. Yes, 278 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: in some in some areas, yeah, it beggars belief. If 279 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,959 Speaker 1: you look at the prices. A lot of people, probably 280 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: around our age, are facing the harsh reality that it 281 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: will be impossible financially to buy a home without moving 282 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:29,239 Speaker 1: far afield. So so Ghost continues and says many are 283 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: choosing death instead of becoming homeless. I find it upsetting. 284 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: This oddly has become a conservative talking point when it 285 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: should be everyone's concerned. Most liberal voters don't want to 286 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: acknowledge the issue because the Secretary of Veterans Affairs is 287 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: not being held accountable under Trudeau. This really drives home 288 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: why we should never idolize anyone in power, because we 289 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: lose sight of actions through policy and are easily placated 290 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: with sensationalist sound bites. Preach to the people. Ghost, that's 291 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: us at totalizing. That's because Trudeau was kind of a darling, 292 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: a bit, a bit of a golden calf. Yeah, and 293 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: please dig deep before voting and donating to people competing 294 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: for power, pay attention to who their friends, family, career history, 295 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: and voting records are. Canada is not the bastion of 296 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: social democracy everyone thinks it is. Every day, both liberal 297 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: and conservative parties make deals to sell out our public services, 298 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: leaving the working poor to be caught in the undertow. 299 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: And Ghosts continues and says below, I've, you know, supplied 300 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: some links. Uh, these links are pretty disturbing. Want to 301 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: give special mention to the CBC article or some of 302 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: the CBC radio stuff that that ghost has talked about. Here. 303 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: One piece, the piece White co Black Art, talks about 304 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: how this family learned their loved one had medically assisted 305 00:18:55,119 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: death only after the fact. That is some stopian stuff, 306 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: right now, I see your face there too. I was 307 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: making the same I was confused by that. Yeah, I'm 308 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: still a little confused, Like, how does that happen? How 309 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: do you opt for something after you're dead? No? No, 310 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: the family found out. No. But what I'm saying is like, 311 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: there's a d n R. Do you know? You know 312 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: that's like a legal, legally binding thing. You know, the 313 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: hospital isn't at liberty to in someone's life that way 314 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: unless they have the permission of the family. Right, And 315 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: this family, the story centers on three siblings, one of 316 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: whom died without the knowledge of the other two siblings 317 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: was put to death. And then there's uh, there's another 318 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: CBC Radio like the White co Black Art thing is 319 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: a series, right, and another one from focuses on changes 320 00:19:54,560 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: to assisted dying in Canada, specifically something called Bill C seven. 321 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: It expands medical assistance in dying to some people whose 322 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: deaths are not foreseeable reasonably foreseeable, meaning it's not necessarily 323 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: a terminal condition. Where the question is quality of life. 324 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: It's that this person might not die, but they're going 325 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: to get medical assistance in dying. Anyhow, Yeah, that's that's 326 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: really tough, because I feel like it's a good thing 327 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: to have as an option. I think it's a good thing, 328 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: the choice to end your own life if you want to, 329 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: and your agency in making. But again, it feels like 330 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: one of the pillars of that is to make others aware, 331 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: like that it's going, that it's coming, that it's going 332 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: to happen, and it's your choice. That's yeah. But I mean, 333 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,239 Speaker 1: like I was saying about the d n R, like 334 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: when my mother was, you know, not able to communicate 335 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: for herself in the hospital, um, the you know, the 336 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: little staff asked me if we had a d n R, 337 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: you know, and I had to go find the paperwork 338 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: and present that to them in order to show that 339 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: I was the one who could give the thumbs up 340 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: or thumbs down, you know, for the d n R. 341 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: And that's something that's given. Agency is given to a 342 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: family member so that in the event that the person 343 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: can't speak for themselves, their wishes are known. In my situation, 344 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 1: we didn't even have the request for the paperwork. There 345 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: was a call to make and it's it's an unenviable 346 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: place to be. It's it's not a situation you ever 347 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: want to be in with the left one. But the 348 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: question is what is the line between say we're giving 349 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: someone agency and then essentially coercing them, Right, there was one. 350 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: There's another story that ghost linked to and again this 351 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: will have to be an episode. We do need your 352 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: help with this Canadian conspiracy realist. Uh, there was an 353 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: armed a veteran of the Armed Forces in Canada who 354 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: had e T s D and had a traumatic brain injury. 355 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: Went to the v A Veterans Affairs Canada and they said, hey, 356 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: we can help you in your life, which is not 357 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: what this guy was looking for. Geez. And again this 358 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: this veteran was did not take that option and and 359 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: the v A released the v a C, I should say, 360 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: released a statement. This is in August of the v 361 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: a C released a statement saying there was an incident 362 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: where quote medical assistance in dying was discussed inappropriately with 363 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: the veteran and said administrative action will be taken. Again. 364 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: To your point, Matt, like what I'm describing with this 365 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: DNR stuff, this is legal language youth and asia isn't 366 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: technically legal in the United States. So someone can't be 367 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: like I'm suffering with cancer and I want to seek 368 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: professional all help in ending my life. That's not a thing. 369 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: There was, you know, the whole doctor death whatever, I 370 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: forget his name. There's a there's a yeah, co working 371 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: and of course with Alpacino. Sorry, I always have to 372 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: bring everything back to the person that played them in TV. 373 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, like it's still not technically legal, but yet 374 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: it does kind of exist as a way of covering 375 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: the butts of medical professionals, you know, because then they 376 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: can kind of do it, but they can't do it 377 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 1: when the person is suffering and wants to for themselves. Right. 378 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: Also called assisted suicide, euthanasia is currently against the law 379 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: in all fifty U s States, but it is uh. 380 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: Assisting in a suicide is considered legal intend jurisdictions in 381 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: the US. It's it's strange. The law is strange because 382 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: of course, this is an uncomfortable thing to contemplate. No 383 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: one wants to be in that situation, honestly, and people 384 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: who make that choice, right, they are they are making 385 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 1: that choice for themselves, right, the ideas that they are 386 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: not being coerced into that, they're also not being coerced 387 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: into continuing in existence if they would rather there be 388 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: an alternative, and we want to be careful about how 389 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: we talk about this, but one thing that goes point 390 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: out that really really sticks out here is that the 391 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: idea that this veteran came for assistance in living, in 392 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: fixing the quality of life and was unprompted told hey, 393 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: there's also this way we can just help you cut 394 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: out early. The scary thing is that that may indicate 395 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: this was not an isolated incident. So we don't know 396 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: how many people called Canada's v A and got the 397 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: same kind of the same kind of offer, and at 398 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: what point does that again, at what point does that 399 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 1: move from here are some options to here's what you 400 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: should do to coercion. And there's a reason that a 401 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: lot of science fiction focuses on very powerful state uh, 402 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 1: very powerful state forces that kind of push some sort 403 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 1: of suicide program on residents right when they become when 404 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: they become not useful to whatever that state is. You 405 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: can talk about Logan's run, you can talk about all 406 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: these other things, but we also have to remember this 407 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: happened in ancient civilizations as well. You know, when people 408 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: are considered not no longer useful members of a tribe 409 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: or community were told to go out into the woods, 410 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Or Yeah. The question then 411 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: becomes is this systemic or is this just a couple 412 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: of isolated Yeah, isolated events. Yeah, I agree with you, guys, 413 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: and UM, that's why we're going to What we're really 414 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: doing here is we're raising a flag UH. And we 415 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: would like to hear from you, fellow conspiracy realist with 416 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: any experience of any sort with made uh in medical 417 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: assistance in dying in Canada. Let us know your story. 418 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: We'll tell you how to contact us at the end 419 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: of the show. UH. And then we're going to return 420 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: in the future with an episode that delves into this 421 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 1: again very controversial, dangerous subject. In the meantime, we're going 422 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: to take a pause for a word from our sponsors, 423 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: will return with one more message from you, and then 424 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: because we did want to end, don down note. I 425 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: think we have a message at the very very end 426 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: through a person who should not be proud of themselves. 427 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: And we're back and we are jumping to a message 428 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: we received from Nile, Hey Ben and everybody else. This 429 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: is Nile style in Santa fe Um. Just curious if 430 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: you could ever do an episode on the shape the Taurus. 431 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: There's a lot of interesting stuff in Adam's calendar. Think 432 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: about the planet itself in a magnetic field, the electromagnetic 433 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: field around the planet, the Taurus, the eyeball taurusts. If 434 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: you do your research, you're gonna find a lot of 435 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: really interesting things just about you know, I'm sure it 436 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: would lend itself to many many jokes about donuts, So 437 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: check it out. All right, that was like, what the 438 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: Ford Taurus? That's the one I know about. No, not 439 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: the shape t O r us. Oh okay, sorry, I 440 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: googled the wrong thing. Let's see t O r u s. 441 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: It's a doughnut. Sure is like it was? Okay, it's like, 442 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: don't it often has specific mathematics associated with it. Uh 443 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: that I don't comprehend in the slightest But yes, it 444 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: resembles the most perfect donut you've ever seen. There, You've 445 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: probably never seen one as perfect as this Taurus. But 446 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty cool. It's a really interesting shape, interesting 447 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: symbol that has been around for a long time. And 448 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: I love Nile. What you're saying or Nile style, excuse 449 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: me what you're saying here about potential shape of the universe. Uh, 450 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: this shape being representative in in ancient culture for very 451 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: special things, very important things. Uh. There's a lot of 452 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: digging to do here, guys, that I have not done 453 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: yet fully. But something really at my ear. When Nile 454 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,239 Speaker 1: was speaking there, he said, there's a lot in the 455 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: Adams calendar, and what is the Atoms calendar. I don't 456 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: know what that is? What is that thing? So I 457 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: went down that little rabbit hole for a minute, and guys, 458 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: there's some really fascinating stuff that we need to talk about. Okay, 459 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: we gotta talk about it. We're going to South Africa 460 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: to check out this thing called Adams Calendar. It's known 461 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: as several other things. That has many other names. That 462 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: is how you'll hear it be spoken about in the 463 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: Western Western culture. It's a megalithic stone structure. Okay, imagine 464 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 1: like a stonehenge, but different some standing stones, many of 465 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: them much smaller, uh, stones like individual stones. But the 466 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: reason why it's called Adams calendar is because it is 467 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: thought perhaps to have represented a way to measure or 468 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: measure time. Really, and like a lot of these other 469 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,479 Speaker 1: megalithic sites, it's all about the sun in the shadow 470 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: Georgia guidestones. They talk about the keystone or whatever, the caps, 471 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: the you know, the whole in at the contract. It 472 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: was apparently done quite imperfectly. But it's it's the same concept, 473 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: well it is it. It is the same concept. So 474 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: depending on where the shadow is cast, you can really 475 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: tell a lot about the time of year. So theoretically, 476 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: at least according to people who have looked at this thing, 477 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: you could tell when winter solstice is supposed to be occurring, 478 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: where the equinoxes are supposed to occur, when the start 479 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: of a year is and all this stuff. It's super 480 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: cool to me because when it was first created, like when, 481 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: oh it also matched up with some constellations, I believe 482 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: there's there's theories about that. But when it was first created, 483 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: the stars were in a specific place, right because of 484 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: the way the earth wobbles, the stars do change change 485 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: up in the night sky in their location where they are. Um, 486 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: there's all kinds of small variances that are going to change, 487 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: like what what the sky looks like over a large 488 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: span of years. And the big question here is when 489 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: was this thing actually built? And because there are some 490 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: people who think it's a lot older than others. And 491 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: if you believe everybody, or at least a couple of 492 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: these researchers people have been looking at it, it could 493 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: be around seventy five thousand years old. But this is 494 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: a man made stone structure, right, and the implications of 495 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: it being that old, I don't know. It's pretty cool, 496 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: It's pretty pretty cool because this thing, at least it's 497 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: thought to predate the Pyramids at Giza, so the Great Pyramids, 498 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: it's thought to predate a lot of these other mega 499 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: structures that exist on the planet, which would honestly make 500 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: sense just given what we know about the the evolution 501 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: and the spread of Homo sapiens and all its all 502 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: its various mixtapes. We also know that I think the 503 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: the first astronomical site in general acknowledged was on the 504 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: African continent, and the first attempts at a calendar, those 505 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: sticks that we talked about in the calendar heist also 506 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: African and origin right, also from that continent, which again 507 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: makes sense. And then we I'm just I'm free so 508 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: on a little bit here, just connecting some dots, Matt. 509 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: We also know that European and Arab forces spent a 510 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: lot of time trying to downplay the ingenuity and the 511 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:45,719 Speaker 1: sophistication of earlier African civilizations and scientific discoveries, so we 512 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: could totally see I think it's completely within the bounds 513 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: of logic to say this thing was ignored, and once 514 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: it was ignored, people just kept ignoring it. Maybe they 515 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: didn't ask too many questions. Maybe people made some BS 516 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:04,719 Speaker 1: claims and nobody bothered to investigate them. Yeah, oh, dogs, people, 517 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: let's talk about the English version that old hinge. You 518 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: know it's a big up. Yeah, this supposedly older than Stonehenge. 519 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: If that thing really is seventy five thousand years old, 520 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: then it far out classes Stonehenge, which is thought to 521 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: be around five thousand, which I didn't think I would 522 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: be like on Stonehenge today. But now now we're anchored 523 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: in seventy five thousand, we hear five thousand, and we're 524 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: like whatever. Well, here's the big wrinkle for me, guys, 525 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: where it really got crazy. If you head on over 526 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: to ancient dash origins dot net, you can go there 527 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: and check it out. I'm not saying this is the 528 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: best source, but this person we're going to talk about 529 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: is cited all over the place on the Internet. But 530 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: there's a writer researcher named Michael Tellinger. Maybe it's telling her. 531 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: I think it's Talinger, uh, but he has estimated that 532 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: they might be as old as a hundred thousand years, 533 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: if not more. And I've never heard of this. I've 534 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: never heard of this. I had never heard of it 535 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: either until our friend Nile there mentioned it. And it 536 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: does feel it feels like something we need to look 537 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: at and maybe really bring some answers to because according 538 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: to Atlas Obscura in several other outlets, Michael Tellinger's findings 539 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: or his beliefs maybe about the age of the structure 540 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: are a little off and they have been widely disputed, 541 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: which I don't want to fully take the mystery and 542 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: the excitement out of it, but we are this is 543 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: something we're gonna have to look at, like could it 544 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: possibly be that old? If it was that old, what 545 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: are the implications, um, and what evidence is there to 546 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: show that it was perhaps that old? At the very least, 547 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: it does do what it's purported to do to some degree, right, 548 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: Like it's it's a raid in a way that tracks 549 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: these you know changes, celestial changes that you're talking about. Yes, 550 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,919 Speaker 1: absolutely so If you head on over to ancient dash 551 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: origins dot net, you can see a pretty cool diagram 552 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: I guess it states that's from Rodney Hale. It's a 553 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: plan that was I guess generated, and it shows you 554 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: what the thing looks like where the winter solstice sunrise 555 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: is going to appear with regards to the stone circle, 556 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: where due east is and due west. And it does 557 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: look like the thing was built much like the Pyramids 558 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: of Giza and several other structures like this, where north 559 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: is north like actual north. It's the top of the 560 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 1: thing is actually pointed north and the the bottom has actually 561 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: pointed south, east and west the same. So people who 562 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: built it, however long ago, we're aware in some way, 563 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:44,720 Speaker 1: we're aware of true north and south and all of that. Fascinating. Yeah, 564 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: and I'm learning about this now, Matt. I'd never heard 565 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,720 Speaker 1: of this, thank you know. All of this is um 566 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,399 Speaker 1: I think this is a new one for all of us, Matt. 567 00:35:54,440 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: Had you heard of this before? And you know, honestly, Uh, 568 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: I want to go, like, let's go to South Africa. 569 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: I want to see this thing. There's so many places 570 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: or like maybe too, this is weird, but I want 571 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: to go to like England and do Stonehenge. I want 572 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 1: to go to Ireland and check out some of these 573 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: standing stones mounds, those Larnie Stone I heard it's super cool. Yes, no, no, 574 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: you want to see these other I want to see 575 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: these underwater pyramids too. From that listener. Unfortunately don't don't exist. 576 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: They don't exist probably, but there's a cool photoshop associated 577 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: with them. Okay, well that just makes it easier. Let's 578 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: figure out the ones that are legitimate. Um, and by legitimate, 579 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: let's define that as not the claims made about them, 580 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: but their existence. Right. Uh that Yeah, we have learning 581 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: now a little bit more about Tallenger are also pretty 582 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: active in politics. Huh, well, we've got to save it. Yeah, 583 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: this is this is amazing. This is the kind of 584 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: stuff that I think we all love and hopefully you 585 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: love it as much as we do. Hearing about these 586 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: these new things off the beaten path. You know, that's 587 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: that's the stuff that we want to explore with you. Matt, 588 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: I think, no, you're with it with him. Two, let's go. 589 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: Let's go around the world. We need the world tour somehow, 590 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: and it may not be you know, it may not 591 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 1: be um as prestigious as going to London or something 592 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: like that, but honestly, who cares. Let's go to the 593 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: weird places. Let's go to the places most people don't 594 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: go for sure, for sure, and especially this Poma Lnga 595 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:53,320 Speaker 1: region in South Africa. There are so many standing stone 596 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: and other stone structures. There's estimately to be like thousands 597 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: that are right in that region. So I just want 598 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 1: to go. Let's take a couple of historians and just 599 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: get out there. Also, for fellow fans of cryptids, let's 600 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: not forget maybe not so much South Africa, but if 601 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 1: you get to the west of the African continent, that's 602 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: one of the places where land based cryptids are most 603 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:26,720 Speaker 1: likely to exist. Let's do it. So we're on the case. 604 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: So thank you, of course to Jingle, Thank you too, Nile, 605 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: Thank you to Ghosts for writing in. Thank you to 606 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: everybody who wrote in except for one, except for Monster. You. 607 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: Monster took us up on it, took us took us 608 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: up on our earlier offer where we know we were 609 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: opening a door or we said we love puns. We 610 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: love We had a conversation about the inherent goodness or 611 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,359 Speaker 1: badness of puns, and we talked about how we love 612 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: dad jokes, bad jokes. We were very no pun, no 613 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: joke left behind. Uh, And then we received the following 614 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 1: message from an absolute villain who wants us to give 615 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: them a different quote, different name that's funny. So here 616 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: we go. Hello, my name is redacted, but please make 617 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: up a different name that's funny. It will be my 618 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,240 Speaker 1: code name if I correspond with you in the future. Gentlemen, 619 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,359 Speaker 1: I suggest that we share the joke and then we 620 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 1: decide the code name after the joke. What do you 621 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: think I've got a code name already. But yeah, let's 622 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: do it. Oh okay, no, no, no, go ahead, go ahead? Yeah? 623 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:45,879 Speaker 1: What is it? Agent Winter? Agent Winter Intrigue? So all right, 624 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 1: so Agent Winter says, this isn't much of a pun, 625 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: but more of a dad joke. Maybe I was in 626 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: a room and I heard it toot, but I was 627 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: the only one in the room. Someone else has to do. 628 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: Then we have to do it an an accent. I 629 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: think that's the only way this works. I'll do it 630 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: in an accent. You ready as that goes? So I 631 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: was in a room and I heard it too, but 632 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: I was the only one in the room. So I 633 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: looked at the clock and it was to tan, tut 634 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 1: to tin, to tin get it. Two tens to the 635 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: clock was tut to tan. I don't think we're good. 636 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: I don't think we have a good winter. Oh my gosh, no, 637 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: we need another whomp whomp holiday. So well, we opened 638 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,880 Speaker 1: the door and fair is fair. We got what we 639 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,800 Speaker 1: so thank you, thank you. We're cracking at you a 640 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 1: little bit, Agia Winter, but thank you so much. It 641 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: made our day. Um there made our evening as it were. 642 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: We want you to join the show with us. This 643 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: is where we get some of the best ideas for 644 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: future episodes. They come from you, specifically you and your 645 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realists. So do us a solid hit us up. 646 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 1: You can find us all over the internet. That's right. 647 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: We are conspiracy stuff on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube, Conspiracy 648 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: Stuff show on Instagram and the ticket doc. Do you 649 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,359 Speaker 1: like making phone calls? Call one eight three three st 650 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: d w y t K. You can leave a message. 651 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 1: You have three minutes, give yourself a nickname, unlike Agent 652 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: Winter here two ten tuton, uh com pyramids, full yeah, 653 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: Hey to ten common love it and uh hey, you've 654 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: got three minutes, say whatever you'd like. If you've got 655 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: more to say than can fit in that three minutes. 656 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,240 Speaker 1: Why not instead send us a good old fashioned email. 657 00:41:46,400 --> 00:42:01,800 Speaker 1: We are conspiracy at i heart radio dot com m H. 658 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: Stuff they don't want you to know. Is a production 659 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: of I heart Radio. For more podcasts from my heart Radio, 660 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 661 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.