WEBVTT - When Do Black People’s Rights Kick In? (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our

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<v Speaker 1>mission is to foster allyship empathy and understanding. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Ramsey's job.

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<v Speaker 2>He is this job.

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<v Speaker 3>I am exhausted, but not like sleepy exhausted. I'll explain

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<v Speaker 3>more later in the show, but you guys can call

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<v Speaker 3>me Q.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, I know what he's referring to because we had

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<v Speaker 1>to put together today's episode and we know what is

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<v Speaker 1>coming your way. So buckle up because we want you

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<v Speaker 1>to ride with us while we discuss a question. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we should frame it sort of like, maybe when

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<v Speaker 1>do black people's rights kick in? You know, in this country,

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<v Speaker 1>we're big on our rights. You know, we're Americans, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, So when do they kick in? Or do they

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<v Speaker 2>kick in? Either one?

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<v Speaker 3>Either one, because I'm not sure they do kick in

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<v Speaker 3>according to some of our fellow citizens.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so we're gonna go through a couple recent examples,

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<v Speaker 1>a few recent examples that really shows how different of

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<v Speaker 1>an experience that we have when it comes to our

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<v Speaker 1>rights and what we're entitled to as citizens in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>And the second half of the show, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be discussing some high profile executions where there have been

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<v Speaker 1>some doubts that have had to be considered and ordered

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<v Speaker 1>right based on our position, they absolutely should have been considered,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were not. And as a result, there are

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<v Speaker 1>people who are no longer alive because they were executed.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're taking a look at the systematic exterminating of

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<v Speaker 1>human beings. Whether or not that's immoral is irrelevant. The

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<v Speaker 1>thing is we're asking the questions, does this happen if

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<v Speaker 1>you know a couple of things are different, and our

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<v Speaker 1>position is that it's not likely.

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<v Speaker 2>That it does.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we get there, we like to start off

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent, shall we?

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<v Speaker 1>I think we shall want me take this on?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>get behind pretty easily here. All right, So, yeah, when

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<v Speaker 1>do black people's rights kick in? Or do they kick in?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's probably an even better way to ask

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<v Speaker 1>the question. But we're going to share some stories with you.

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<v Speaker 1>These all come from the Black Information Network, which you know,

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<v Speaker 1>full disclosure, Q and I are a part of the

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<v Speaker 1>Black Information Network, but you know, we cover these stories

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<v Speaker 1>and share these stories with our podcast, the Black Information

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<v Speaker 1>Network Daily Podcast, And we noticed a theme in recent stories,

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<v Speaker 1>and the theme again had specifically to do with whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not a black person's rights were violated. So these

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<v Speaker 1>aren't necessarily instances of police brutality, police shootings, police killings,

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<v Speaker 1>but rights like the dignity that comes with or the

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<v Speaker 1>dignity that should come with being an American citizen that

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<v Speaker 1>often does not accompany stories when you know the person

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<v Speaker 1>at the center of the story black. I'll start so

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<v Speaker 1>that I can give you an idea of what we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about with this first story, again from the Black

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<v Speaker 1>Information Network. A Canton, Ohio police officer has been fired

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<v Speaker 1>after he was caught on video kicking a black man

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<v Speaker 1>in the chest while he was kneeling on the ground

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<v Speaker 1>with his hands raised. According to News five Cleveland, Brandon

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<v Speaker 1>Mamarrov was fired earlier this month following an investigation into

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<v Speaker 1>the arrest of twenty one year old Jamir McElroy. A

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<v Speaker 1>video taken by a bystanders showd Morimov sorry Mamarrov, running

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<v Speaker 1>toward mceilroy and kicking him in the chest as he

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to comply with police orders. Police previously said they

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<v Speaker 1>were responding to reports of an argument last month when

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<v Speaker 1>officers encountered McElroy. According to the police, multiple people, including

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<v Speaker 1>one individual alleged to be armed, fled the scene when

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<v Speaker 1>they arrived. However, suspects quote appeared to be complying when

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<v Speaker 1>officer Brandon Mamarov kicked Jamir mickilroy in the nuote. The

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<v Speaker 1>department previously said in a statement. McElroy and two other

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<v Speaker 1>men were arrested on suspicion of obstructing official business and

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<v Speaker 1>resisting arrest. According to a report at the time, police

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<v Speaker 1>Chief John Gabert defended the officer's actions. Quote, Our officers

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<v Speaker 1>frequently faced stressful, dangerous situations and confrontations with armed suspects.

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<v Speaker 1>Police Chief John Gabbert previously said, quote, their dedication to

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<v Speaker 1>the community has resulted in exceptional reductions in violence, especially

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<v Speaker 1>gun violence, over the past two years unquote. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think the reason that this one stood out to me

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<v Speaker 1>was because there was such an emphasis on the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that he was complying with the officer's request. And in theory,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're doing what a police officer asks you to do,

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<v Speaker 1>the police officer then does their job. If they assault you,

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<v Speaker 1>if they kick you in the chest while you're on

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<v Speaker 1>your knees with your hands raised, that is a violation.

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<v Speaker 1>And what else stood out to me is, of course

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<v Speaker 1>the police chiefs initial position again to defend the officer

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<v Speaker 1>kicking him in a chest with his hands raised, and ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>as we know, the officer was fired. And I know

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<v Speaker 1>that we talked about this a bit, but kind of

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<v Speaker 1>let our listeners know a bit about when you first

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<v Speaker 1>read this one, what was going through your head.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, my initial thoughts are not unique to this story

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<v Speaker 3>and again why I had us rephrase the question. You

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<v Speaker 3>do black people's rights ever come into account in stories

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<v Speaker 3>like this, With the ever present cloud of qualified immunity,

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<v Speaker 3>police officers kind of get to break the law all

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<v Speaker 3>the time as long as someone can say, well, that's

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<v Speaker 3>what they had to do to do their job. They

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<v Speaker 3>were stressed, they were afraid, and the list goes on

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<v Speaker 3>of reasons that they come up with to justify these behaviors.

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<v Speaker 3>In cases like this one, the absence of video would

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<v Speaker 3>almost always mean that they can do whatever they want.

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<v Speaker 3>And you and I spoke before in another story sadly

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<v Speaker 3>another similar story that whenever there is absence of video,

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<v Speaker 3>the punishment for that should be severe because in most

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<v Speaker 3>of those cases, it's not because something malfunctioned, it's because

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<v Speaker 3>the cameras were turned off because officers. Because officers know

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to do something wrong, they plan to do

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<v Speaker 3>something wrong, they want to do something wrong. And in

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<v Speaker 3>cases like that, I don't have the data in front

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<v Speaker 3>of me, so don't quote me. More times than not,

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<v Speaker 3>the person who is on the receiving side of these

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<v Speaker 3>violations looks like you and I And the reason why

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so confident in saying so is because we would

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<v Speaker 3>see it all the time if it were the opposite.

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<v Speaker 3>Those who want to pretend racism doesn't exist and throw

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<v Speaker 3>it in our faces, those who want to minimize the

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<v Speaker 3>idea that black people are treated any differently, especially in

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<v Speaker 3>the negative skew, and even those who think, quite frankly,

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<v Speaker 3>we deserve it, would love to have examples to the

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<v Speaker 3>contrary to show us to prove their point. And the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that those almost never come up, you know, is

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<v Speaker 3>all the evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>That I need to feel how I feel.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not making a scientific argument, this is just an observation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what we want. The thing is, over the

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<v Speaker 1>next couple of stories, it's less about feeling and more

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<v Speaker 1>about it pattern. So let's add another story please. This

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<v Speaker 1>also comes from the Black Information Network. A lawsuit has

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<v Speaker 1>been filed on behalf of the family of a Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>man who was shot by police officers who entered his

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<v Speaker 1>home without a warrant. Okay, so this again back to

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<v Speaker 1>violating a person's rights, you know, right to privacy, a

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<v Speaker 1>right to you know, police do need warrants in this country,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have a right you have you're protected from

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<v Speaker 1>search and seizure, a lawful search and seizure, etc. If

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not mistaken, all right? So he was shot by

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<v Speaker 1>police officers who entered his home without a warrant. The

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<v Speaker 1>family of Mirando Salmon filed a federal lawsuit last week

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<v Speaker 1>alleging that Salmon's constitutional rights were violated during the deadly,

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<v Speaker 1>warrantless search of his home on November eleven, Alive reports

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<v Speaker 1>officers entered Salmon's home without a warrant amid an investigation

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<v Speaker 1>over a car that was stolen from a dealer. Ship

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<v Speaker 1>Police spotted the alleged stolen car in Salmon's driveway, which

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<v Speaker 1>was believed to have been taken on a test drive

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<v Speaker 1>from a dealership a week before, and did not return

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<v Speaker 1>or pay for it. That according to the lawsuit, officers

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<v Speaker 1>knocked on the front door and entered the home. After

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<v Speaker 1>no one answered, the police officer, Russell Mathis, encountered Salmon

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<v Speaker 1>sitting on his bed in the dark. Matthis shot and

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<v Speaker 1>killed Salmon in a matter of seconds. District Attorney Sherry

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<v Speaker 1>Boston said Salmon threw a phone at Mathis, which the

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<v Speaker 1>officer believed was a knife. Phones and knives they looked

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<v Speaker 1>similar to.

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<v Speaker 3>You Okay, so obviously no, but I'm gonna take a

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<v Speaker 3>few steps back to try to be fair break it down.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course they don't. But in the dark, who knows.

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<v Speaker 3>In the dark, he could have the phone could have

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<v Speaker 3>been a gun. In the dark, the phone could have

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<v Speaker 3>been any weapon. And you justifiably have that position. Were

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<v Speaker 3>you supposed to be in this person's house. But because

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<v Speaker 3>you were not, you're an intruder and it's dark, and

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<v Speaker 3>this person is afraid. And if this person had taken

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<v Speaker 3>the extreme position that you know, the back to blue

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<v Speaker 3>people want to pretend that they honor and that's the

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<v Speaker 3>right to bear arms, then he'd be justified in having

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<v Speaker 3>shot that officer who he believed to be an intruder

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<v Speaker 3>in his home in the dark. So it does not

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<v Speaker 3>even matter if it was a knife. Why are you

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<v Speaker 3>in my house? Why are you in my bedroom?

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<v Speaker 2>Who are you like?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you have a right to bear arms?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean we're talking about black people's rights because

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<v Speaker 3>black people apparently don't, and that's the presence of a

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<v Speaker 3>weekend tends to justify us being shot.

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<v Speaker 1>You're making the point I was trying to make.

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<v Speaker 3>That's you know, so you know whether or not the

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<v Speaker 3>phone looked like a knife, or looked like a gun

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<v Speaker 3>or a baseball batter or a crowbar.

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<v Speaker 2>That none of that matters.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone's in my home in the dark, who I did

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<v Speaker 3>invite here, and who legally has no right to be there.

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<v Speaker 3>I should be able to defend myself. So the argument

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<v Speaker 3>that you thought I had a weapon completely irrelevant. You

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<v Speaker 3>know what, I'm sitting on my bed in the dark,

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<v Speaker 3>and you're in my house and I don't know who

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<v Speaker 3>you are.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you amaze me because I like pitch it and

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<v Speaker 1>then you swing for the fences and you get a

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<v Speaker 1>home run. It's amazing. I love it. I do want

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<v Speaker 1>to go back just a bit, though, because sometimes people

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<v Speaker 1>have I believe, have trouble empathizing when they hear, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what did you do? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, the car was.

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<v Speaker 1>Stolen from a dealership, blah blah blah, this that and

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<v Speaker 1>the thod and I want to make sure that we

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<v Speaker 1>again are examining rights in this country, and we are

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<v Speaker 1>breaking down the rights of all the citizens, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least what rights all citizens should enjoy. We don't know

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<v Speaker 1>that the car was stolen. We don't know if the

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<v Speaker 1>dealership had wronged him. We don't know if he had

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<v Speaker 1>wronged the dealership. We don't know this because he never

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<v Speaker 1>had his day in court. He's dead now. So for

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<v Speaker 1>people to say, well, you know, he shouldn't have the

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<v Speaker 1>car and then the police wouldn't you know, not that

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know these people, but there are people out

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<v Speaker 1>there who will defend the police officers, as you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what.

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<v Speaker 2>In this case, I don't even want to extend him

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<v Speaker 2>that benefit of the doubt.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, say the dealership, say the car is stolen, and

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<v Speaker 3>it was, and it was hard way and it was

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<v Speaker 3>parked in his driveway and he stole it. You still

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<v Speaker 3>don't get to enter this man's house unannounced without warrant

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<v Speaker 3>and kill him. So I'm again the same with the phone.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he thought it was a knife, Okay, say

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<v Speaker 3>it was a knife, Say it was worse than a knife,

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<v Speaker 3>Say he had a katana sword. You are still a

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<v Speaker 3>warrantless person in his home. You're not an officer there

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<v Speaker 3>to carry out some duty that you have function he

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<v Speaker 3>stole the car, Okay, get a warrant, present yourself as

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<v Speaker 3>an officer, and give this person a chance to not

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<v Speaker 3>make himself a victim of the crime. You already know

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<v Speaker 3>you want to commit. That's what we have to take

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<v Speaker 3>it back to. You enter without a warrant on purpose

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<v Speaker 3>and in the dark. You can justify the crime you

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<v Speaker 3>want to commit by pretending you're the one that's afraid.

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<v Speaker 3>How about that you enter my home unannounced and you're

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<v Speaker 3>scared of me. You entered my home without the legal

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<v Speaker 3>steps that you were supposed to go to, But you're

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<v Speaker 3>the one that's afraid of me in the dark, in

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<v Speaker 3>my home, in my bed. So you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>even want to extend the benefit of doubt that he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't do anything, because you don't have to be innocent

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<v Speaker 3>of a crime to not deserve to be killed in

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<v Speaker 3>your home, in your bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Or to be afforded due process. Correct, right now, that's

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<v Speaker 1>number two. Allow me to continue with number three.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have so many more of these.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, these are just you know, rule of threes.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't have enough time.

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<v Speaker 1>So this also comes from the Black Information Network. And

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<v Speaker 1>this one I know he was gonna love it because

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<v Speaker 1>when we were talking about it before, I kept telling him,

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<v Speaker 1>don't say anything, don't say anything, wait till we turn

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<v Speaker 1>the MIC's on. So now the mics are on, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>paint the picture, and then cues off to the races.

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<v Speaker 1>The black pastor arrested while watering his neighbor's flowers is

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<v Speaker 1>suing three Alabama officers who he alleges violated his Fourth

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<v Speaker 1>and First Amendment rights. CNN reports Pastor Jennings was detained

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<v Speaker 1>and booked into Talladega County Jail in May after a

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<v Speaker 1>neighbor who deemed the pastor quote suspicious unquote called the

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<v Speaker 1>police as he was watering flowers at another neighbor's house

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<v Speaker 1>who was out of town. Viral video of the incident

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<v Speaker 1>shows police handcuffing the Alabama pastor and his neighbor's yard

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<v Speaker 1>with a water hose in hand, despite Jennings explaining the

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<v Speaker 1>situation to officers and a third neighbor vouching for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Jennings said he verbally identified himself to police during the incident,

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<v Speaker 1>but officers didn't believe him. The pastor didn't have physical

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<v Speaker 1>identification with him at the time of the encounter and

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<v Speaker 1>refuse to retrieve it. He said, Okay, now before you go,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're ready, let me paint the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>this picture. Because the Bayanna had a follow up to

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<v Speaker 1>this story, what happened was As I mentioned, this pastor

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<v Speaker 1>was asked by a neighbor to take care of his garden.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you water my garden while I'm out of town?

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<v Speaker 1>Pastor says yes, a black pastor. The pastor then goes

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<v Speaker 1>to the house waters the garden while the neighbors are

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<v Speaker 1>out of town. Another neighbor in the neighborhood calls the

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<v Speaker 1>police saying, hey, there's a black man in his yard.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't live there, blah blah blah. Police show up,

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<v Speaker 1>still out there taking care of the friend's garden, a

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<v Speaker 1>neighbor's garden. The police ask him who he is. He

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<v Speaker 1>identifies himself, you know, I'm a pastor. I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I lived right there. This is my friend. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he has to take care they want. The police are like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well now you need to go physically get your ID

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<v Speaker 1>or produce somehow produce your ID. And the and the

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<v Speaker 1>pastor says, I don't have my ID. You know this

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<v Speaker 1>this is not I'm not out in public. This is

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<v Speaker 1>where I live. And I suspect that it got contentious

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<v Speaker 1>at that point, that that's not the part of the video. Later,

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<v Speaker 1>the officers arrest him for not showing his physical ID. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that turned into a nothing burger. But the fact of

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<v Speaker 1>the matter is that this pastor was embarrassed and humiliated

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, inconvenience and all these things. Right, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about rights. You know, this isn't a murder case,

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<v Speaker 1>which I know we covered a lot of those. Now. Originally,

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<v Speaker 1>he files a lawsuit, the pastor against the police, and

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<v Speaker 1>the courts throw out the lawsuit because of, as you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier, qualified immunity. UH. These police were executing there

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<v Speaker 1>they were, they were functioning in their in the capacity

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<v Speaker 1>of their job description, investigating a potential crime whatever, so

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<v Speaker 1>qualified immunity UH protected them from being liable and being

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<v Speaker 1>held accountable. The thing is, this pastor appealed that decision,

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<v Speaker 1>and ultimately the appeals court ruled that in Alabama, officers

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<v Speaker 1>can stop you, they can ask you to identify yourself

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<v Speaker 1>and what you're doing, but there is no law that

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<v Speaker 1>says that officers can demand that you show them physical

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<v Speaker 1>identify cation. And because that was the point upon which

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<v Speaker 1>this entire case rested, the appeals court allowed this pastor

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<v Speaker 1>to continue with his lawsuit because indeed his rights were violated.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that's the story as far as we've gotten with it,

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<v Speaker 1>we're still following, of course, but now the floor is

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<v Speaker 1>yours to talk to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope that if you can hear my voice, you

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<v Speaker 3>can understand the frustration. From the very beginning of the story,

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<v Speaker 3>a neighbor called the police on their neighbor for watering

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<v Speaker 3>their neighbor's plants. Like we told that part of the

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<v Speaker 3>story fast, I have to rewind. You say, a third

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<v Speaker 3>neighbor came out to vouch for this person, which means

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<v Speaker 3>the person that called the cops could have been the

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<v Speaker 3>voucher as well. They could have They see the person

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<v Speaker 3>that's doing it, and they see what they're doing. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'd go on to guess that the suspicious part.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the black part was this party the skin.

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<v Speaker 3>For those who can't see me, I am rubbing the

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<v Speaker 3>skin on my hand. The brown or black part was

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<v Speaker 3>the suspicious part. There's nothing about holding a water hose,

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<v Speaker 3>seeing the water come out of it onto the plants

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<v Speaker 3>that's suspicious in any way, even if you don't recognize

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<v Speaker 3>the person. Oh, my neighbor hired a landscaper. That's why

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<v Speaker 3>he has a water hose in his hand and is

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<v Speaker 3>watering the plants. So we start there, and I am

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<v Speaker 3>frustrated telling myself the story in my head so that

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<v Speaker 3>I can talk about it. Then the police arrive, and

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<v Speaker 3>as an officer, part of your job should be to

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<v Speaker 3>show up and notice a crime isn't being committed, right

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<v Speaker 3>because me hiring a landscaper while I'm not present does

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<v Speaker 3>not mean my landscape or is trespassing. If you get

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<v Speaker 3>there and this neighbor is looking in the windows and

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<v Speaker 3>looking and or actually acting suspicious besides being black, I

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<v Speaker 3>get it. But when you officer arrive and see that

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<v Speaker 3>there's a water hose and he's watering the plants, even

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<v Speaker 3>if you're curious, you should have now okay turned off

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<v Speaker 3>you or I have to arrest somebody today. Circuit in

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<v Speaker 3>your head the presence of another neighbor vouching that this

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<v Speaker 3>person lives here and is doing this favor for me,

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<v Speaker 3>Like there's so many things that happened before he got

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<v Speaker 3>placed in handcuffs and arrested and had to file a

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<v Speaker 3>lawsuit that only happened because he's black and accusing us

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<v Speaker 3>of race baiting or playing victim or whatever you people do.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes just be a human being.

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<v Speaker 3>You hear this stuff and realize that if it was

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<v Speaker 3>you or somebody you cared about, that you would think

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<v Speaker 3>it's ridiculous. But because it's me and I look like me,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't