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Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different

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Speaker 1: look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their

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Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.

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Speaker 1: Here's Drew Texans in the Lab is right now. I'm

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Speaker 1: Drew Doherty and I got John Harris with me. John,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be with you the All Star Game,

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Speaker 1: the MLB All Star Game. Oh yeah, night.

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Speaker 2: And before the folks listening at home saying, hey, this

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Speaker 2: is a football podcast and needs to be a football

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Speaker 2: all right, it's gonna be football.

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Speaker 1: It's chill.

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Speaker 2: There's all sorts of stuff going on. So most notable

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Speaker 2: football related All Star Game obviously nineteen eighty nine. Ronald

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Speaker 2: Reagan is up in the booth with Vin Scully. He

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Speaker 2: had just left office. It was nineteen eighty nine, so

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Speaker 2: he was there probably January twenty, and then George hw

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Speaker 2: in the booth. Bo Jackson comes up, kaboom, hits one

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Speaker 2: into the bleach in center field in Anaheim. Wade Boggs

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Speaker 2: would follow up with a home run too. Not many

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Speaker 2: people remember that, but O Jackson was an amazing football player.

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Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy winner, and so it got me thinking about

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Speaker 2: just kind of Houston connections with football and baseball. And

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Speaker 2: it happened again the other night. The Astros take a

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Speaker 2: guy in the first round out of the RASCA, Bryce Matthews.

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Speaker 2: But before that he's from a task Asda. He was

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Speaker 2: the qb our own Kenyan Green, a first rounder of

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Speaker 2: his own or in his own right from Texas A

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Speaker 2: and m played with him, block for him up front,

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Speaker 2: and Coach Stump was really or Kach Stubb was really

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Speaker 2: really excited about it and he was tweeting about it,

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Speaker 2: but Taskasda representing. But it just got me thinking about

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Speaker 2: there's lots of connections football baseball all through history, because

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Speaker 2: if you're good enough to make it to Major League

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Speaker 2: baseball typically you're a phenomenal, phenomenal athlete, and vice versa.

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Speaker 2: If you're good enough to make it to football, to

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Speaker 2: the well, you're probably good at other stuff too. But

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Speaker 2: over the years, there have been many great, great baseball

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Speaker 2: players who played football and football players who played baseball.

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Speaker 2: My Campton is somebody who comes to mind. Former ACA.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, My Campton was one. He was a He was

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Speaker 3: an incredible football player. Apparently you know one, It's funny

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Speaker 3: as you started saying that Drew the one player that

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Speaker 3: immediately came to mind. And when you see the picture

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Speaker 3: playing for Springwood's High School. He's wearing a number sixty six,

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Speaker 4: And you know, it was interesting.

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Speaker 3: Because I, you know, as I was, I was growing

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Speaker 3: Richmond Rosenberg. I just I just jump. I just went

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Speaker 3: from one sport to the next. So my dad did.

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Speaker 3: My dad played off three sports. So I followed what

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Speaker 3: with my time if I didn't go from football to

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Speaker 3: say to me, you know, look, basketball makes you a

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Speaker 3: better FOOTBA player. Football is gonna make you a better

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Speaker 3: baseball player. Baseball is gonna end up making you a

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Speaker 3: better basketball player. I mean, imagine being on the mound

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Speaker 3: back in high school, you play seven innings, seven incs,

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Speaker 3: when I was growing up. So I think each sport

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Speaker 2: And well think about it now. Kyler Murray has had

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Speaker 2: to San Jacino when Wayne Graham the Rice head coach. Right,

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Speaker 2: I could this. So there could be some old timers

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not surprising, and in some sense we've seen

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know that same the same lockout.

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Speaker 3: He goes, well, you've been out of baseball. You just

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Speaker 2: What what a player?

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Speaker 4: Yeah he was.

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Speaker 4: So you know, you play all these sports and you

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Speaker 3: But you know, football and baseball are such a there's

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Speaker 3: So you know you could take like Kyler Murray would

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Speaker 3: take it all the way to December twentieth twenty. First

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Speaker 3: to do this, but Kyler Murray wasn't just a draft

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Speaker 3: pick for the Oakland A's.

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Speaker 4: He was the number eight overall pick. Yeah, for the

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Speaker 3: And you know, I wonder he's always kind of talked

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Speaker 3: And we've seen, you know, we've seen players over over

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Speaker 3: I get it, But two days back in the eighties

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Speaker 4: They were hell. They were absolute hell. You would wake

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Speaker 4: It's awesome, good cross training for both sports. I love it.

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Speaker 4: All time favorite player.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I got, I got, I got, I got mine,

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Speaker 4: Julius Peppers. What Julius Peppers.

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Speaker 2: What other professional sport did he play?

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Speaker 3: He didn't play it on the professional sport he played.

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Speaker 3: And the thing about it was this dude eight gummy

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Speaker 2: Whatever was he playing?

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Speaker 2: He came in the NFL in two so who was

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Speaker 2: Right, that was our first one. And I'm gonna actually

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was the Big East one hundred meter sprint,

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Speaker 2: We can talk about yeah, big bad, muscular Andre Johnson.

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Speaker 2: So since it's Andre's birthday and Andre Johnson belongs in

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Speaker 4: He was him for an extended period of time.

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Speaker 3: And wait, you said five words are last time you

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Speaker 3: And I felt like in the NFL from like oh five.

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Speaker 3: It was Megatron, Lre Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson. Yeah, they were

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Speaker 3: dominant in the league, and the numbers back it up.

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Speaker 3: When you have a period of dominance like that, you

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Speaker 3: need to go in through the Hall of Fame, no

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Speaker 3: matter what the numbers say.

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Speaker 2: Three different seasons with fifteen hundred yards or more and

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Speaker 2: then a fourth with fourteen hundred plus yards plus. He's

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Speaker 2: eleventh all time career receiving yards is on that list.

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Speaker 2: The ten guys ahead of him, seven are in the

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. The other three belong in the Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame as well, but only two Randy Moss Jerry

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Speaker 2: than dre out of that eleven. So there you go.

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Speaker 2: There's a cool, cool article that I just tweeted out today. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Wade Phillips even liked the tweet. But I was quote

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Speaker 2: tweeted about how Andre belongs in and I had this

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Speaker 2: article that I wrote a while back. Check it out.

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Speaker 2: Happy birthday Andre, Yes, Happy birthday Drave

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Speaker 3: The name