Speaker 1: It's funny as it is, it's so sad. This is
Speaker 1: Russian disinformation has entered the halls of Congress, has entered
Speaker 1: the halls of our DOJRFBI all the way up to
Speaker 1: right now we're trying to impeach the city US president
Speaker 1: on Russian disinformation. Tell you don't think the congressmen sitting
Speaker 1: up there looking at the world in the face, don't
Speaker 1: know this information. They know a lot more. They know
Speaker 1: where everybody's and they know there is no bodies when
Speaker 1: it comes to Joe Biden, all of those people, every
Speaker 1: one of those has direct ties to the Kremlin.
Speaker 2: I'm John Cipher and I'm Jarie O'Shea.
Speaker 3: I serve in the CIA's Clandestine Service for twenty eight years,
Speaker 3: living undercover all around the.
Speaker 2: World, and in my thirty three years with the CIA,
Speaker 2: I served in Africa, Asia, Europe, and the Middle East.
Speaker 3: Although we don't usually look at it this way, we
Speaker 3: created conspiracies.
Speaker 2: In our operations. We got people to believe things that
Speaker 2: weren't true.
Speaker 3: Now we're investigating the conspiracy theories we see in the
Speaker 3: news almost every day.
Speaker 2: We'll break them down for you to determine whether they
Speaker 2: could be real or whether we're being manipulated.
Speaker 3: Welcome to mission implausible. Welcome to mission implausible. Adam, How
Speaker 3: is your book coming on ancient Assyria.
Speaker 4: I'm having a blast learning about how people thought in
Speaker 4: the ancient Middle East, and so I'm writing this book
Speaker 4: about a group of people from what's now northern Iraq,
Speaker 4: but they had moved to central Turkey, and they left
Speaker 4: tens of thousands of letters on clay tablets that we
Speaker 4: can now read. And it really has this amazing view
Speaker 4: into day to day life in four thousand years ago.
Speaker 4: And there's just a lot of constant concern about what
Speaker 4: these people are saying, what those people are saying. There's spies.
Speaker 4: Like the more you learn about the ancient world, the
Speaker 4: more you're like, we really don't change very much.
Speaker 2: You should get a good writer and do a book
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 4: I don't really know how to respond because I've been
Speaker 4: I mean I have, I have won awards, a you know,
Speaker 4: for the New Yorker.
Speaker 3: And I'm very sorry the Jerry treat you like this.
Speaker 3: It's it's really unfortunate.
Speaker 2: It's really I just worry about how you're going to
Speaker 2: measure against all the other Assyrian books out there.
Speaker 4: That's true. It's a crowded space. My agent has been
Speaker 4: saying like this could break through and be like a
Speaker 4: big hit, or well, don't.
Speaker 3: Forget the little people once you're a big shot.
Speaker 4: That's actually I spent last night with Irving Finkel, and
Speaker 4: I that is name dropping. But if you go on
Speaker 4: Google Irving Finkel, big white, Santa Claus Beard, crazy white hair,
Speaker 4: brilliant scholar of ancient Assyria. And when you walk around
Speaker 4: with Irving Finkel seventy something years old, it's like walking
Speaker 4: around with Brad Pitt. People love this guy. The streets
Speaker 4: were Yale University, so it's an academic world, but he's
Speaker 4: recognized on the street. People come up, they get nervous,
Speaker 4: They're like, you're my favorite of Syriologists.
Speaker 2: So, John, we're lucky today to have a real conspirator.
Speaker 2: Why don't you tell us about Lev Parnas well.
Speaker 3: Lev Parnas is a Soviet born American businessman and a
Speaker 3: former associate of Rudy Giuliani's. Along with Juliani in Ukraine,
Speaker 3: Parnas was involved in creating the false Biden Ukraine conspiracy theory,
Speaker 3: which was part of the Trump campaign's effort to damage
Speaker 3: Joe Biden before the election.
Speaker 2: And yeah, there's no way around this. Lev was convicted
Speaker 2: of wire fraud in twenty twenty two. Prosecutors say, among
Speaker 2: other things, he legally funneled money from a Russian oligarch,
Speaker 2: Andre Moraviev to mostly pro Trump US politicians, and Rudy Giuliani,
Speaker 2: not charged with the crime here, accepted five hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars as part of this scam, by the way, and
Speaker 2: that's something he's copped. Two and Lev was sentenced to
Speaker 2: prison in October of twenty twenty one, did his time,
Speaker 2: and he's now out.
Speaker 3: And before we start, let's listen to a little bit
Speaker 3: of his testimony under oath to Congress in March.
Speaker 1: The American people have been lied to by Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani, and various courts of individuals in government and
Speaker 1: media positions. From November twenty eighteen to October twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: I was a key participant and a witness to numerous
Speaker 1: efforts to prove that Joe and Hunter Biden were linked
Speaker 1: to corruption in Ukraine. I found precisely zero evidence of
Speaker 1: the Biden's corruption in Ukraine. The only information ever pushed
Speaker 1: on the Bidens and Ukraine has come from one source,
Speaker 1: and one source only Russia and Russian agents.
Speaker 2: Here's a clip of Lev being interviewed by Rachel Maddow.
Speaker 5: What do you think is the main inaccuracy or the
Speaker 5: main lie that's being told that you feel like you
Speaker 5: can correct.
Speaker 1: That the President didn't know what was going on. President
Speaker 1: Trump knew exactly what was going on. He was aware
Speaker 1: of all my movements. I wouldn't do anything without the
Speaker 1: consent of Rudy Giuliani or the President. I was on
Speaker 1: the ground doing their work.
Speaker 5: In terms of the President what he has said about you,
Speaker 5: he said about you and mister Fruman, Igra Fruman, I
Speaker 5: don't know those gentlemen. I don't know about them. I
Speaker 5: don't know what they do. You're saying that was not
Speaker 5: a true statement from the President.
Speaker 1: He lied. He knew exactly who I was, especially because
Speaker 1: I interacted with him at a lot of events. And basically,
Speaker 1: I mean I was with Rudy more than I mean,
Speaker 1: four or five days out of the week, I mean,
Speaker 1: and I was in content constant contact with him. So
Speaker 1: and I was with Rudy one he would speak to
Speaker 1: the President plenty of times, I mean. So it's just
Speaker 1: Luly Chris so.
Speaker 2: Today, we're really really pleased to have on the show.
Speaker 2: Lev part in us. You're famous now, right, and infamous
Speaker 2: in some parts. You're a Ukrainian, Russian, American, Israeli businessman, right.
Speaker 1: And lots of titles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're and you are at the center of
Speaker 2: the whole Rudy Giuliani, Hunter Biden, conspiracy, slamazl.
Speaker 1: Right, Smilazo.
Speaker 2: And you're coming out with a book, right.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just came out with a book called Shadow Diplomacy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, thank you for being here. It's really courageous
Speaker 3: what you're going through. And hope we'll get into some
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. Guys, I look
Speaker 1: forward to talking to you. I think we have a
Speaker 1: lot of fun stuff to talk about.
Speaker 3: So, Liv, if I understand the story, you were part
Speaker 3: of a real conspiracy, right, a conspiracy to create a
Speaker 3: fake conspiracy that Joe was involved in criminal activity in
Speaker 3: order to help the Trump campaign. Is that right? Is
Speaker 3: that how you see it?
Speaker 1: I mean, like you couldn't said any better. It was
Speaker 1: a conspiracy to push a fake conspiracy to make up
Speaker 1: an It was like, yeah.
Speaker 2: But to be clear, if you had found evidence of
Speaker 2: Joe Biden's corruption or things like that. You would have
Speaker 2: come forward with it, right.
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, no, absolutely, I mean listen, I mean it's
Speaker 1: not like I didn't try. I mean I tried so hard.
Speaker 1: I could promise you. It wasn't the point of lack
Speaker 1: of effort on anybody's part, not just me, but I
Speaker 1: mean you had Devin Nunos, you had Bron Johnson, you
Speaker 1: had Pete Sessions, you had the Rudy Julian and each
Speaker 1: I mean the list goes on and on you had,
Speaker 1: and that's not counting people that they had underneath them
Speaker 1: doing all of the dirty working on getting so. I mean,
Speaker 1: there was no rock that was unturned, There was no
Speaker 1: whole look to it. I mean we looked everywhere. And
Speaker 1: trust me, I'll tell you if there was even a
Speaker 1: stitch of evidence that you would have known about it
Speaker 1: way before I got arrested, way before Trump got impeached,
Speaker 1: way before.
Speaker 2: So manipula election based on a snipe hunt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically, yeah, I mean you could wrap it up
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: We you mentioned in your testimony recently that Russian intelligence
Speaker 3: was involved or supportive or aware of this effort in
Speaker 3: some means, the effort to invent dirt on the Bidens.
Speaker 3: How specifically do you think the Russians were aware of
Speaker 3: or involved.
Speaker 1: They were running the show. See a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't understand this conspiracy, this notion, this propaganda started the
Speaker 1: Russians started spreading this back in twenty fifteen, you know.
Speaker 1: And this is after like we were told that actually
Speaker 1: Hunter was compromised and his laptop was compromised somewhere around
Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen when he was in Kazakhstan and when they
Speaker 1: were able to get so. Right after that is when
Speaker 1: this conspiracy theory started coming up and started being pushed
Speaker 1: by Russians, through Ukrainians, through Russians and other sources. But
Speaker 1: they were basically debunked at every angle and constantly getting debunked,
Speaker 1: and they didn't find any light until that faithful night
Speaker 1: when we were sitting with Rudy at the Grand Havanna
Speaker 1: Room having drinks. I don't drink, but Rudy and Ego
Speaker 1: getting slushed and cigars. I was having my green tea
Speaker 1: like usual, and he got to call from bar Schwartz,
Speaker 1: and Barchwartz started telling him about all this Ukraine stuff,
Speaker 1: and like usual, Rudy would sit down and still asten
Speaker 1: on everything that happened. It didn't matter if it was Trump,
Speaker 1: the State Department.
Speaker 2: So Eagor Furman was your he's your business partner, yep.
Speaker 2: And maybe if you could just give us a word
Speaker 2: on who Bartchwartz is.
Speaker 1: Marchwartz was a I don't know if he was an
Speaker 1: ex FBI agent or if he but I definitely had
Speaker 1: some sort of police or some sort of law in
Speaker 1: his background. And he was working for Rudy as an investigator,
Speaker 1: so he had some whistleblowers in Ukraine. They were feeding
Speaker 1: him information. At that point, Rudy was looking for the
Speaker 1: man the Ford Ledger because they thought it was a
Speaker 1: fake man for Leiser Ledger, and also looking for the
Speaker 1: DNC servers which were supposedly stashed in Ukraine somewhere. So
Speaker 1: Rudy was on those two crazy rabbit holes and then
Speaker 1: we come in.
Speaker 2: So things just I want to clarify if I got
Speaker 2: this right. You're saying that the Russians knew in advanced
Speaker 2: what was on Hunter Biden's laptop because they bugged it
Speaker 2: or they got into it in Kazakhstan mouch earlier.
Speaker 1: Right, it was compromised, So the.
Speaker 2: Russians actually knew about the laptop and what was on
Speaker 2: it before even telling Rudy about it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and we were told about the laptop rumors early on,
Speaker 1: in a way going back way to February of twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: was the first mention of the laptop from Yuri Lieutenco,
Speaker 1: then General Prosecutor of Ukraine. But we were looking for it.
Speaker 1: But then a few months later we had a brick wall.
Speaker 1: We realized that nobody that we were speaking to had
Speaker 1: any access to the laptop. That the only access if
Speaker 1: there was a laptop or a hard drive, it existed
Speaker 1: with fsb or Zchewski, the CEO of Barisma, and that
Speaker 1: was confirmed to us later on in June and the
Speaker 1: meeting we had with Vitally Prusse at Chipriani's and he
Speaker 1: told us basically that was a gentleman that got it.
Speaker 1: Hunter Biden the job with Barisma. He was very close
Speaker 1: friends with Devin Archer, and he told us that the
Speaker 1: story about him getting Dorge to being in Conzak start
Speaker 1: getting very drunk and compromise. Then his laptop was taken
Speaker 1: and there were copies being made, and he made it
Speaker 1: very clear. And this is the important part because his
Speaker 1: heart is Rudy pressed because of what was on that laptop.
Speaker 1: The most damaging things that he told us was on
Speaker 1: there were basically compromise pictures of him with females and
Speaker 1: drugs and stuff like that, and nothing about financial criminality
Speaker 1: or legality, because that's what we were looking for. But
Speaker 1: we still press to get the laptop because even pictures
Speaker 1: of you know, obviously would make a big stink in
Speaker 1: the election time.
Speaker 2: Let's take a breather and be back in a moment, and
Speaker 2: we're back. So, a conspiracy is a group of people
Speaker 2: who get together, who come up with a plan to
Speaker 2: do something, something nefarious, and you know there's a conspiracy
Speaker 2: with the Russian. So I just want to quick run
Speaker 2: through a roster of people I think you've bumped into
Speaker 2: and Rudy depended on, Rudy Giuliani depended on, and some
Speaker 2: of the people in Trump world, because they keep saying
Speaker 2: there's no Russian collusion, there's no Russian, Russia, Russian, and
Speaker 2: let's do it. Let's do it, okay. Andre Derkosh, son
Speaker 2: of a KGB officer under US sanctions for operating decades
Speaker 2: long as a Russian disinformation agent, a guy to the
Speaker 2: name of Pavel Fuks. He's a Russian agent of influence
Speaker 2: in oligarch I. Guess he paid Rudy Giuliani hundreds of
Speaker 2: thousands of dollars. Then there's a guy called Andre Telishenko.
Speaker 2: Right Books hired him to conduct disinformation campaign. He's under
Speaker 2: sanctioned by the FBI for collaborating with Russian disinformation Demitro
Speaker 2: Firtas pro Kremlin oligarch Russian intelligence ties. He's awaiting extradition
Speaker 2: to the US for collaborating in the Russian disinformation campaign.
Speaker 2: Constantine Cooling Derkosh associate sanctioned by the US right for
Speaker 2: spreading Russian disinformation. He and Rudy Giuliani told these two brothers,
Speaker 2: the Munger brothers, US citizens, that they had the goods
Speaker 2: and they gave them a million dollars and then they
Speaker 2: basically embezzled the money and they're being sold. Alexander Davinski
Speaker 2: he's up on treason charges in Ukraine. Igor He confessed
Speaker 2: and was convicted in Ukraine of treason for collaborate in
Speaker 2: my Russia Seymour Kisslin Russian Kazak. According to Inner pol
Speaker 2: And the US, he used Juliani's firms to launder Russian
Speaker 2: money in the US. Andre Marief, I think you know,
Speaker 2: and Andre Kukushin boat Russian oligarch's charged with making illegal
Speaker 2: campaign contributions inside of the US. Something that you're connected with.
Speaker 2: And then finally with Ranifort olig der Pashke is a
Speaker 2: Russian oligarch, and Constantine Kalimnik, who is a Russian intelligence
Speaker 2: officer working with Juliani and with Paul Mannifort, Trump's campaign manager,
Speaker 2: and Manafort has confessed publicly to passing him internal stif So.
Speaker 2: It walks like a duck, It quacks like a duck,
Speaker 2: It fucks like a dock, It has duck DNA and
Speaker 2: tastes great with plum sauce.
Speaker 3: How do you know how ducks fucked, Carrie, I'm.
Speaker 2: Just saying this smells like a Russian conspiracy. To me,
Speaker 2: I went on too long, but I wanted to underline
Speaker 2: just how Russian this fucking not only Russian, but Russian
Speaker 2: intelligence disinformation this world is coming out of.
Speaker 1: I mean, as funny as it is, it's so sad.
Speaker 1: This is Russian disinformation has entered the halls of Congress,
Speaker 1: has entered the halls of our doj R. FBI all
Speaker 1: the way up to right now, we're trying to impeach
Speaker 1: the U sitting US president on Russian disinformation. That's play.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's out there. I mean look at what
Speaker 1: you look at you you just read it down. You
Speaker 1: don't think the congressman sitting up there looking at the
Speaker 1: world in the face don't know this information. They know
Speaker 1: a lot more. They know that where everybody's and they
Speaker 1: know there is no bodies when it comes to Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: And that's the problem. That's that's where they're hold. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of ifs, buts, and it's crazy, but yes,
Speaker 1: all of those people that you mentioned, every one of
Speaker 1: those has direct ties to the Kremlin. Don't forget. I
Speaker 1: was involved in the negotiations, conversations with Nicholas Maduro and
Speaker 1: then Guido in Spain. I was also intricate in introducing
Speaker 1: and starting the relationship between the Turkish president Erdigon and
Speaker 1: President Trump. You know, I was involved in his inauguration.
Speaker 1: I was involved prior to that. I've seen a lot.
Speaker 1: The world needs to understand. The say just about Ukraine,
Speaker 1: this individual is a monster. He's a narcissist. He only
Speaker 1: cares about himself. He idolizes these dictators because he wants
Speaker 1: to be a dictator. He wants to rule with an
Speaker 1: iron fist. He wants to be able to say and
Speaker 1: do what he wants, and he wants everybody to fall
Speaker 1: in line. So the world needs to know the truth.
Speaker 1: And I'm finally humbled and happy that Congress was able
Speaker 1: to get me up to because just think about how
Speaker 1: hard the Republicans tried. Think about just comment says wise,
Speaker 1: even if you know nothing about law, nothing about anything.
Speaker 1: The two people that started this whole thing, not including
Speaker 1: President Trump, was Rudy Giuliani and myself the collectors of it,
Speaker 1: and then passed it on to Fox, and it was
Speaker 1: Sahannity Solomon and then you know, the halls of Congress,
Speaker 1: and then it went spread everywhere.
Speaker 3: How did you get to know Rudy Giuliani? And someone
Speaker 3: asked a question after one of our recent podcasts about
Speaker 3: the Hunter Biden laptop, how exactly did he get the
Speaker 3: laptop from the guy in Delaware? Like how did they
Speaker 3: know each other?
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's not that difficult to find
Speaker 1: a Trump supporter, you know that's willing to, you know,
Speaker 1: play ball in whatever you want to do. On the flight.
Speaker 1: When I got arrested, Bill Barr and everybody knew we
Speaker 1: were flying to We were supposed to meet with this
Speaker 1: ex CEO Alexander forgot his last name, to pick up
Speaker 1: the hard drive, and we were supposed to do a big,
Speaker 1: blockbuster interview from Vienna with Victor Schoke and the hard
Speaker 1: drive and Rudy and Sean Handy was going to have it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I put the tweets out, I put the
Speaker 1: text messages out, and all of these Congress people understand
Speaker 1: and know That's why I was arrested. Because Bill Barr
Speaker 1: understood that this was rushing this information. He understood that
Speaker 1: Rudy didn't care. He was pushing Russian this information. And
Speaker 1: if you remember when I got arrested, that was just
Speaker 1: when the whistleblower came out and named me and Igor
Speaker 1: as Rudy's henchman on the ground in Ukraine. So Bill
Speaker 1: Barr understood that once I get subpoena, even though Trump's
Speaker 1: lawyers were making a big stink, he understood that eventually
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to testify or go to prison.
Speaker 1: And he knew that if I testify, thinking I'm telling
Speaker 1: the truth, I'm only going to be showing how corrupt
Speaker 1: Trump is and how much was spreading. So Bill Barr
Speaker 1: thought he was going to be smart and bury me
Speaker 1: with the information and make me look like the scapegoat.
Speaker 1: What he didn't realize that Trump was not going to stop.
Speaker 1: That Trump was going to continue even more instead and
Speaker 1: now go directly to the Russian disinformation and make it
Speaker 1: even worse. And that's when that's when Bill Barr jumped ship.
Speaker 1: They knew everything. I mean, they knew what was going on.
Speaker 1: And if you see what I was arrested for and
Speaker 1: then what I went to prison for two different things.
Speaker 2: We named that huge list of Russian disinformation officers that
Speaker 2: was funneling information through you and Judiani. So you had
Speaker 2: a really powerful testimony at the house in front of
Speaker 2: committit and you name names, you said, Ron Johnson knew, Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 2: Comber knew, and Pete Sessions new. Did they all know?
Speaker 2: I'll just ask you straight out, if you're getting information
Speaker 2: from Russian disinformation officers? Did they realize that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, you know how it works. I mean they haven't,
Speaker 1: I mean of course they know. I mean this, all
Speaker 1: of the this stuff never even got vetted they wouldn't
Speaker 1: even vett it because they knew if they would vett it,
Speaker 1: they would come back, you know, not good. So they
Speaker 1: didn't even give a chance. I mean, just think about
Speaker 1: I would get a text message from Victor Shoken with
Speaker 1: some piece of paper, and right from there it would
Speaker 1: go to Ron Johnson, it would go to Devin new News,
Speaker 1: it would go to Fox News within an hour, no vetting,
Speaker 1: no checking out to see what for you, But because
Speaker 1: it fit the narrative. So do you hear Senator Ron
Speaker 1: Johnson screaming, Oh, this is crazy, he's a criminal. He's lying. No,
Speaker 1: he knows I'm telling the truth. Because if any one
Speaker 1: of them pick up a stink and respond to me,
Speaker 1: they give light to the truth. And that's one thing
Speaker 1: they don't want to do. They'll argue with anybody else.
Speaker 1: He'll go argue with the sixteen year old girl. He'll
Speaker 1: attack an eighty five year old grandmother that doesn't agree
Speaker 1: with what he said, but he will never Just think
Speaker 1: about it, guys, find me one tweet, one response from
Speaker 1: Trump or any of them to any of the troth
Speaker 1: and again not to say that they might call me
Speaker 1: a liar, no, but actual response to my accusations because
Speaker 1: it's very easy to go on TV and lie like
Speaker 1: they do because there's no consequences. But I challenge any
Speaker 1: one of them to get up there just like either
Speaker 1: under oath and from the whole world, and be able
Speaker 1: to tell the truth.
Speaker 3: We got to take a break now and we'll be
Speaker 3: back in just a minute.
Speaker 2: Glad to have everybody back. Let's go back down the
Speaker 2: rabbit hole.
Speaker 3: Did Mike Pompeo have any role in this? Mean he
Speaker 3: was a Secretary of State? Action is involved in trying
Speaker 3: to get rid of Masha Gyovanovitch.
Speaker 1: He wasn't. That's actually no, he wasn't. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you the truth. No he wasn't. That's it's a misconception. Actually, Pompeo,
Speaker 1: if you guys obviously know he was Kulch brothers. You know,
Speaker 1: he wasn't part of the Trump regime. Even when Trump
Speaker 1: got him and put him into office. Trump really liked
Speaker 1: the way he looked and he fit the role more
Speaker 1: than anything else. But what happened with Marie Ivanovich, he
Speaker 1: actually was the opposite. The reason it took so long
Speaker 1: to fire her. Trump try to fire.
Speaker 2: Her like fourteen you can explain who she is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Marie Ivanovich is the US ambassador, was the US
Speaker 1: ambassador to Ukraine. She was, you know, one of the
Speaker 1: top fighters for anti corruption and was doing a great
Speaker 1: job al Org. I think she's been a US ambassador
Speaker 1: all over the world for over twenty twenty five years,
Speaker 1: very high standards there. Will started becoming a rumor because
Speaker 1: she was such an anti corruption person that people in Ukraine,
Speaker 1: especially powerful individuals, wanted to get her out of her post.
Speaker 1: So the rumors started spreading that she was against Trump,
Speaker 1: that she didn't put his picture up on the wall,
Speaker 1: I mean, all kinds of crazy stuff. And eventually those
Speaker 1: rumors got to me, and that's why you guys heard
Speaker 1: that conversation that me and Trump had when he said
Speaker 1: get rid of it. The biggest problem there I think
Speaker 1: we need to start is we gotta get rid of
Speaker 1: the ambassador. She still left over from the Clinton administration
Speaker 1: where the ambassador were Ukraine. Yeah, and she's basically walking
Speaker 1: around telling everybody, wait, he's going to get impeached. Just wait,
Speaker 1: like I don't remember, get rid of her, get around
Speaker 1: to take her out, Okay, next I'll do it. That
Speaker 1: was the first time he said get rid of her.
Speaker 1: Fire her. After that, Rudy had probably another three meetings
Speaker 1: at the White House where he said get rid of her,
Speaker 1: fire her. One was I remember exactly if it was
Speaker 1: in front of Bolton and Pompeo. They were there and
Speaker 1: Pompeo basically didn't take the order and bolt didn't take
Speaker 1: the order. So what was going inside is Pompeio was
Speaker 1: getting a lot of pressure because there was no reason
Speaker 1: to fire her, and they understood that the newson Trump
Speaker 1: wanted to fire hers because she stopped Victor Scholkin, who
Speaker 1: was the ex Prosecutor General of Ukraine, from coming to
Speaker 1: the United States to spread more propaganda. She stopped as
Speaker 1: visa and when she stopped that, she became enemy number
Speaker 1: one for US and the Trump campaign. So yeah, it
Speaker 1: took like three four times. Pompeo was actually blocking it
Speaker 1: and kept her in office until eventually Trump just went
Speaker 1: over Pompeo's had and fired her on live TV with
Speaker 1: a Twitter. He fired our Twitter basically, and then she
Speaker 1: got the called literally an hour after he posted on
Speaker 1: Twitter in the middle of the night telling her that
Speaker 1: you got to get out of there quickly. Something's going
Speaker 1: up here on K Street.
Speaker 2: But one of the things with this whole thing is
Speaker 2: it's just so friggin complicated.
Speaker 1: The truth of the matter was that actually Victor Shokin
Speaker 1: was the corrupt one. I mean, that's not to say
Speaker 1: Borismo wasn't corrupt. Barismo was corrupt.
Speaker 2: But the IMF, the European Union, the White everybody, everybody
Speaker 2: wanted to get rid of Chokun.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you if you, if you saw
Speaker 1: some of my tweets that I posted today on x first,
Speaker 1: I posted one of the interviews of Victor Chokin and
Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani where Giuliani gets frustrated with him and ask
Speaker 1: him blatantly says, I know it doesn't look good, and
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, of course, and he says, but did they
Speaker 1: do anything illegal? Did they, you know, take bribes? Cap
Speaker 1: and Shoking answers with one word, No, he's not charged
Speaker 1: with anything.
Speaker 3: Fifty or so years not charged with anything. I gotta
Speaker 3: tell you, I met the guy, spent a lot of
Speaker 3: time with him. This guy's corrupt, He's not good at it.
Speaker 6: This is National Agency for Preventing Corruption says that mister
Speaker 6: Sho can never duringing the existence of was corrupt, was
Speaker 6: incriminated tennis, and so.
Speaker 1: That was one of the things. And the other interesting
Speaker 1: video I put up there today was actually an interview,
Speaker 1: and this is you know a lot of people haven't
Speaker 1: seen because Fox News buried it instead. What do they
Speaker 1: continue to do? They continue to put victors Shokun on
Speaker 1: their TV to push the same narrative, They continue to
Speaker 1: push all of these Russian propaganda and the same thing
Speaker 1: like nothing ever happened. And that's the scary part where
Speaker 1: people have to open their eyes and say, what the
Speaker 1: fuck is going on here? Guys? I mean, like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck? I see this? We all see this, Like,
Speaker 1: how could this still be good? How come there's nobody's
Speaker 1: being held accountable. The only thing I could say is people,
Speaker 1: you know, that's why these elections are so so important,
Speaker 1: not for any anything else, but for them to have accountability.
Speaker 1: Because I believe that if the Democrats actually win the House,
Speaker 1: there will be accountability. I believe people like Jamie Raskin
Speaker 1: will hold hearings and put real people criminals, like all
Speaker 1: the names that I mentioned. I want to see Bill Barr,
Speaker 1: Special Council Brady. I want to see Pete Sessions, Rudy Juliani,
Speaker 1: Solomon Sean, all of these people, they're well involved in
Speaker 1: this and sit there under oath. Let's get everything out
Speaker 1: on the open and then we'll see what happens, because
Speaker 1: then we'll see true accountability. That's the only way we
Speaker 1: could make sure this never happens again. Otherwise our democracyson
Speaker 1: for a fucking turmoil.
Speaker 3: Let me go back a little bit. So we're talking
Speaker 3: about efforts to smear Joe Biden and lead up to
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty election. Yep, and you were involved with
Speaker 3: Rudy Giuliani and trying to find that dirt that can
Speaker 3: help the Trump campaign smear Biden. Let's go back to
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. Now, Trump has long claimed that it was Ukraine,
Speaker 3: not Russia, that was behind the interference in the twenty
Speaker 3: sixteen elections. Now we know that's not true. There's been multiple,
Speaker 3: multiple investigations, and we know the Russians were behind trying
Speaker 3: to interfere. It wasn't you. But what was behind that view?
Speaker 3: If anything? Was it just Trump making that up to
Speaker 3: deflect allegations that he and his campaign were colluding with
Speaker 3: Russian interests.
Speaker 1: It was again Trump working off of Russian this information.
Speaker 1: If you recall that that meeting that Trump had. I
Speaker 1: think where was it in Finland or wherever it was
Speaker 1: where they had the meeting. And he came out and
Speaker 1: basically said, well, you know, I listened to President Putin.
Speaker 1: He said he didn't do it. Why would he do it?
Speaker 1: I believe he didn't do it. But wait a second,
Speaker 1: mister president, what about your intelligence services? Everybody's telling you
Speaker 1: the whole world saying that yes, Russia interfered. No, I
Speaker 1: you know, I spoke to pleasant President Puta. So you
Speaker 1: have to understand that was a narrative being pushed from
Speaker 1: Russia to say it wasn't us, It was there Ukrainians
Speaker 1: that medled in your elections. There are trying to blame Russia.
Speaker 1: And it fit into Trump's narrative because he did not
Speaker 1: want to have anything connected to Russia, and it was
Speaker 1: easy for him say, yeah, Ukrainians are blaming Russia. And
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of people don't understand. This bullshit
Speaker 1: that he sits there and says, yeah, I mean, does
Speaker 1: Zelensky have a good relationship. He can't stand Zelenski. The
Speaker 1: second he gets a chance, he will annihilate, destroy Ukraine
Speaker 1: and serve it up as a president of Vladimir Putin,
Speaker 1: because this moron thinks that that will bring him closer
Speaker 1: to him in a better relationship, and thinks he'll get
Speaker 1: points because he ended the war, not that he'll get
Speaker 1: millions of people killed and displaced out of their homes
Speaker 1: well because he ended the war.
Speaker 3: No, just to go back and to give a little
Speaker 3: bit about your backer. How did you end up in
Speaker 3: the States.
Speaker 1: I was born in nineteen seventy two in Odessa, Ukraine.
Speaker 1: It was back then it was still the Soviet Union,
Speaker 1: and seventy six we immigrated out of there because of persecution,
Speaker 1: and that's when they opened the floodgates and wanted to
Speaker 1: get rid of all the Jews, and we were able
Speaker 1: to immigrate. We were going to Israel with the layover. At
Speaker 1: the time in Rome, we were waiting to get documents done.
Speaker 1: And it was nineteen seventy six. It was a two
Speaker 1: hundred bi centennial of the United States, and the US
Speaker 1: Ambassador to Italy was there giving out a two hundred
Speaker 1: visas in a lottery, and my sister happened to win
Speaker 1: with me one of the visa lotteries, and my whole
Speaker 1: family because of that was able to go to the
Speaker 1: United States instead of Israel. We came to first Michigan, Detroit, Michigan.
Speaker 1: We sell them because the Jewish Organization took us in there.
Speaker 1: I got it into a car accident, my father had
Speaker 1: a heart attack. We ended up in Little Odessa, Brighton Beach, Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: New York. And that's where I basically grew up in Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: New York, Little Odessa, Bright Beach.
Speaker 3: I remember when I was taking Russian language training. We
Speaker 3: would go up to those restaurants up in Brighton Beach
Speaker 3: and they were so Russian, you know. And then after
Speaker 3: living in Russia, you'd realize, oh my god, like the
Speaker 3: singing and the food coming out, and.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, the whole crazy part. It wasn't
Speaker 1: really Russian. It was more Ukrainian. Yeah, But then it
Speaker 1: was all said Russian because it was a Soviet Union,
Speaker 1: you know that we just say Russia. So we were Russian,
Speaker 1: you know, because we spoke the Russian language. But you know,
Speaker 1: majority of the people there were Ukrainian actually because it
Speaker 1: was Ukrainian Jews, you know. And then back in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty nine, I think it was right before the fall
Speaker 1: of the Soviet Union, I went back to Russia. I mean,
Speaker 1: I went back to it, well it was still the
Speaker 1: Soviet Union and started doing business. I was there actually
Speaker 1: when the tanks were coming out, the revolt and the
Speaker 1: fall and everything, and I was actually in Moscow and
Speaker 1: on the Red Square watching this all happen lies. I
Speaker 1: was there from the beginning, from when it was the
Speaker 1: Soviet Union, then when the fall, when Ukraine separated became
Speaker 1: a sovereign country. I've seen it all unfold in my life,
Speaker 1: and that's why, you know, I apologize to the Ukrainian people,
Speaker 1: to the American public because of all the fault and
Speaker 1: whatever my actions were in this whole ploy, even though
Speaker 1: you know, I can't excuse him, even though because at
Speaker 1: that moment I thought I was doing the right thing,
Speaker 1: but now I know it was the wrong thing. So
Speaker 1: I want I definitely apologize and still apologize to everybody
Speaker 1: for being involved. And then that's why I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be so vocal and get out the truth to be
Speaker 1: able to make amends of what I did and try
Speaker 1: to stop it before it gets any worse, because it's
Speaker 1: already really bad.
Speaker 3: Well, we're really glad that you did. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: we came from us intelligence, and what we want is
Speaker 3: the truth to come out no matter which way it goes.
Speaker 1: Exactly what you're doing, I think is.
Speaker 3: What all good Americans should do, even when it's difficult,
Speaker 3: and certainly in this situation, it's difficult for you. But
Speaker 3: thank you for doing it. So that's all the time
Speaker 3: we have today. But Lev has a lot more to
Speaker 3: tell us, so we're going to pick this up again
Speaker 3: next week in our next episode of Mission Implausible.
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