1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: It's funny as it is, it's so sad. This is 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: Russian disinformation has entered the halls of Congress, has entered 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: the halls of our DOJRFBI all the way up to 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: right now we're trying to impeach the city US president 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: on Russian disinformation. Tell you don't think the congressmen sitting 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: up there looking at the world in the face, don't 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: know this information. They know a lot more. They know 8 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: where everybody's and they know there is no bodies when 9 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: it comes to Joe Biden, all of those people, every 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: one of those has direct ties to the Kremlin. 11 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 2: I'm John Cipher and I'm Jarie O'Shea. 12 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 3: I serve in the CIA's Clandestine Service for twenty eight years, 13 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 3: living undercover all around the. 14 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: World, and in my thirty three years with the CIA, 15 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: I served in Africa, Asia, Europe, and the Middle East. 16 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,639 Speaker 3: Although we don't usually look at it this way, we 17 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 3: created conspiracies. 18 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 2: In our operations. We got people to believe things that 19 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: weren't true. 20 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 3: Now we're investigating the conspiracy theories we see in the 21 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 3: news almost every day. 22 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: We'll break them down for you to determine whether they 23 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: could be real or whether we're being manipulated. 24 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 3: Welcome to mission implausible. Welcome to mission implausible. Adam, How 25 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 3: is your book coming on ancient Assyria. 26 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 4: I'm having a blast learning about how people thought in 27 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 4: the ancient Middle East, and so I'm writing this book 28 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 4: about a group of people from what's now northern Iraq, 29 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 4: but they had moved to central Turkey, and they left 30 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 4: tens of thousands of letters on clay tablets that we 31 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 4: can now read. And it really has this amazing view 32 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 4: into day to day life in four thousand years ago. 33 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 4: And there's just a lot of constant concern about what 34 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 4: these people are saying, what those people are saying. There's spies. 35 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 4: Like the more you learn about the ancient world, the 36 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 4: more you're like, we really don't change very much. 37 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: You should get a good writer and do a book 38 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: on it. 39 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 4: I don't really know how to respond because I've been 40 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 4: I mean I have, I have won awards, a you know, 41 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 4: for the New Yorker. 42 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 3: And I'm very sorry the Jerry treat you like this. 43 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 3: It's it's really unfortunate. 44 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: It's really I just worry about how you're going to 45 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: measure against all the other Assyrian books out there. 46 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 4: That's true. It's a crowded space. My agent has been 47 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 4: saying like this could break through and be like a 48 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 4: big hit, or well, don't. 49 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 3: Forget the little people once you're a big shot. 50 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 4: That's actually I spent last night with Irving Finkel, and 51 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 4: I that is name dropping. But if you go on 52 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 4: Google Irving Finkel, big white, Santa Claus Beard, crazy white hair, 53 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 4: brilliant scholar of ancient Assyria. And when you walk around 54 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 4: with Irving Finkel seventy something years old, it's like walking 55 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 4: around with Brad Pitt. People love this guy. The streets 56 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 4: were Yale University, so it's an academic world, but he's 57 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 4: recognized on the street. People come up, they get nervous, 58 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 4: They're like, you're my favorite of Syriologists. 59 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 2: So, John, we're lucky today to have a real conspirator. 60 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: Why don't you tell us about Lev Parnas well. 61 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 3: Lev Parnas is a Soviet born American businessman and a 62 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 3: former associate of Rudy Giuliani's. Along with Juliani in Ukraine, 63 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 3: Parnas was involved in creating the false Biden Ukraine conspiracy theory, 64 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 3: which was part of the Trump campaign's effort to damage 65 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: Joe Biden before the election. 66 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: And yeah, there's no way around this. Lev was convicted 67 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: of wire fraud in twenty twenty two. Prosecutors say, among 68 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: other things, he legally funneled money from a Russian oligarch, 69 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 2: Andre Moraviev to mostly pro Trump US politicians, and Rudy Giuliani, 70 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: not charged with the crime here, accepted five hundred thousand 71 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: dollars as part of this scam, by the way, and 72 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 2: that's something he's copped. Two and Lev was sentenced to 73 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: prison in October of twenty twenty one, did his time, 74 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: and he's now out. 75 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: And before we start, let's listen to a little bit 76 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: of his testimony under oath to Congress in March. 77 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: The American people have been lied to by Donald Trump, 78 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani, and various courts of individuals in government and 79 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: media positions. From November twenty eighteen to October twenty nineteen, 80 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: I was a key participant and a witness to numerous 81 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: efforts to prove that Joe and Hunter Biden were linked 82 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: to corruption in Ukraine. I found precisely zero evidence of 83 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: the Biden's corruption in Ukraine. The only information ever pushed 84 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: on the Bidens and Ukraine has come from one source, 85 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: and one source only Russia and Russian agents. 86 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: Here's a clip of Lev being interviewed by Rachel Maddow. 87 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 5: What do you think is the main inaccuracy or the 88 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 5: main lie that's being told that you feel like you 89 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 5: can correct. 90 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: That the President didn't know what was going on. President 91 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: Trump knew exactly what was going on. He was aware 92 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: of all my movements. I wouldn't do anything without the 93 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: consent of Rudy Giuliani or the President. I was on 94 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: the ground doing their work. 95 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 5: In terms of the President what he has said about you, 96 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 5: he said about you and mister Fruman, Igra Fruman, I 97 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 5: don't know those gentlemen. I don't know about them. I 98 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 5: don't know what they do. You're saying that was not 99 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 5: a true statement from the President. 100 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: He lied. He knew exactly who I was, especially because 101 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: I interacted with him at a lot of events. And basically, 102 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: I mean I was with Rudy more than I mean, 103 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: four or five days out of the week, I mean, 104 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: and I was in content constant contact with him. So 105 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: and I was with Rudy one he would speak to 106 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: the President plenty of times, I mean. So it's just 107 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: Luly Chris so. 108 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 2: Today, we're really really pleased to have on the show. 109 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: Lev part in us. You're famous now, right, and infamous 110 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 2: in some parts. You're a Ukrainian, Russian, American, Israeli businessman, right. 111 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: And lots of titles. 112 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're and you are at the center of 113 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: the whole Rudy Giuliani, Hunter Biden, conspiracy, slamazl. 114 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: Right, Smilazo. 115 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 2: And you're coming out with a book, right. 116 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 5: Uh. 117 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just came out with a book called Shadow Diplomacy. 118 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, thank you for being here. It's really courageous 119 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 3: what you're going through. And hope we'll get into some 120 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 3: of that. 121 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. Guys, I look 122 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: forward to talking to you. I think we have a 123 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: lot of fun stuff to talk about. 124 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 3: So, Liv, if I understand the story, you were part 125 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 3: of a real conspiracy, right, a conspiracy to create a 126 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 3: fake conspiracy that Joe was involved in criminal activity in 127 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 3: order to help the Trump campaign. Is that right? Is 128 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 3: that how you see it? 129 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: I mean, like you couldn't said any better. It was 130 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: a conspiracy to push a fake conspiracy to make up 131 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: an It was like, yeah. 132 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: But to be clear, if you had found evidence of 133 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: Joe Biden's corruption or things like that. You would have 134 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,239 Speaker 2: come forward with it, right. 135 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, no, absolutely, I mean listen, I mean it's 136 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: not like I didn't try. I mean I tried so hard. 137 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: I could promise you. It wasn't the point of lack 138 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: of effort on anybody's part, not just me, but I 139 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: mean you had Devin Nunos, you had Bron Johnson, you 140 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: had Pete Sessions, you had the Rudy Julian and each 141 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: I mean the list goes on and on you had, 142 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: and that's not counting people that they had underneath them 143 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: doing all of the dirty working on getting so. I mean, 144 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: there was no rock that was unturned, There was no 145 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: whole look to it. I mean we looked everywhere. And 146 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: trust me, I'll tell you if there was even a 147 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: stitch of evidence that you would have known about it 148 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: way before I got arrested, way before Trump got impeached, 149 00:06:58,279 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: way before. 150 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 2: So manipula election based on a snipe hunt. 151 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, basically, yeah, I mean you could wrap it up 152 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: like that. 153 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: We you mentioned in your testimony recently that Russian intelligence 154 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 3: was involved or supportive or aware of this effort in 155 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: some means, the effort to invent dirt on the Bidens. 156 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: How specifically do you think the Russians were aware of 157 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 3: or involved. 158 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: They were running the show. See a lot of people 159 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: don't understand this conspiracy, this notion, this propaganda started the 160 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: Russians started spreading this back in twenty fifteen, you know. 161 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: And this is after like we were told that actually 162 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: Hunter was compromised and his laptop was compromised somewhere around 163 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen when he was in Kazakhstan and when they 164 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: were able to get so. Right after that is when 165 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: this conspiracy theory started coming up and started being pushed 166 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: by Russians, through Ukrainians, through Russians and other sources. But 167 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: they were basically debunked at every angle and constantly getting debunked, 168 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: and they didn't find any light until that faithful night 169 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: when we were sitting with Rudy at the Grand Havanna 170 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: Room having drinks. I don't drink, but Rudy and Ego 171 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: getting slushed and cigars. I was having my green tea 172 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: like usual, and he got to call from bar Schwartz, 173 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: and Barchwartz started telling him about all this Ukraine stuff, 174 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: and like usual, Rudy would sit down and still asten 175 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: on everything that happened. It didn't matter if it was Trump, 176 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: the State Department. 177 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 2: So Eagor Furman was your he's your business partner, yep. 178 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: And maybe if you could just give us a word 179 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: on who Bartchwartz is. 180 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: Marchwartz was a I don't know if he was an 181 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: ex FBI agent or if he but I definitely had 182 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: some sort of police or some sort of law in 183 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: his background. And he was working for Rudy as an investigator, 184 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: so he had some whistleblowers in Ukraine. They were feeding 185 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: him information. At that point, Rudy was looking for the 186 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: man the Ford Ledger because they thought it was a 187 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: fake man for Leiser Ledger, and also looking for the 188 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: DNC servers which were supposedly stashed in Ukraine somewhere. So 189 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: Rudy was on those two crazy rabbit holes and then 190 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: we come in. 191 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: So things just I want to clarify if I got 192 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: this right. You're saying that the Russians knew in advanced 193 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: what was on Hunter Biden's laptop because they bugged it 194 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: or they got into it in Kazakhstan mouch earlier. 195 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: Right, it was compromised, So the. 196 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: Russians actually knew about the laptop and what was on 197 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: it before even telling Rudy about it. 198 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and we were told about the laptop rumors early on, 199 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: in a way going back way to February of twenty nineteen, 200 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,239 Speaker 1: was the first mention of the laptop from Yuri Lieutenco, 201 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: then General Prosecutor of Ukraine. But we were looking for it. 202 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: But then a few months later we had a brick wall. 203 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: We realized that nobody that we were speaking to had 204 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: any access to the laptop. That the only access if 205 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: there was a laptop or a hard drive, it existed 206 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: with fsb or Zchewski, the CEO of Barisma, and that 207 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: was confirmed to us later on in June and the 208 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: meeting we had with Vitally Prusse at Chipriani's and he 209 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: told us basically that was a gentleman that got it. 210 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden the job with Barisma. He was very close 211 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: friends with Devin Archer, and he told us that the 212 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: story about him getting Dorge to being in Conzak start 213 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: getting very drunk and compromise. Then his laptop was taken 214 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: and there were copies being made, and he made it 215 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: very clear. And this is the important part because his 216 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: heart is Rudy pressed because of what was on that laptop. 217 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: The most damaging things that he told us was on 218 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: there were basically compromise pictures of him with females and 219 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: drugs and stuff like that, and nothing about financial criminality 220 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: or legality, because that's what we were looking for. But 221 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: we still press to get the laptop because even pictures 222 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: of you know, obviously would make a big stink in 223 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: the election time. 224 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: Let's take a breather and be back in a moment, and 225 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 2: we're back. So, a conspiracy is a group of people 226 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: who get together, who come up with a plan to 227 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 2: do something, something nefarious, and you know there's a conspiracy 228 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: with the Russian. So I just want to quick run 229 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 2: through a roster of people I think you've bumped into 230 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 2: and Rudy depended on, Rudy Giuliani depended on, and some 231 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: of the people in Trump world, because they keep saying 232 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: there's no Russian collusion, there's no Russian, Russia, Russian, and 233 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 2: let's do it. Let's do it, okay. Andre Derkosh, son 234 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: of a KGB officer under US sanctions for operating decades 235 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 2: long as a Russian disinformation agent, a guy to the 236 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: name of Pavel Fuks. He's a Russian agent of influence 237 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: in oligarch I. Guess he paid Rudy Giuliani hundreds of 238 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 2: thousands of dollars. Then there's a guy called Andre Telishenko. 239 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 2: Right Books hired him to conduct disinformation campaign. He's under 240 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 2: sanctioned by the FBI for collaborating with Russian disinformation Demitro 241 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 2: Firtas pro Kremlin oligarch Russian intelligence ties. He's awaiting extradition 242 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 2: to the US for collaborating in the Russian disinformation campaign. 243 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: Constantine Cooling Derkosh associate sanctioned by the US right for 244 00:11:54,840 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: spreading Russian disinformation. He and Rudy Giuliani told these two brothers, 245 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: the Munger brothers, US citizens, that they had the goods 246 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: and they gave them a million dollars and then they 247 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 2: basically embezzled the money and they're being sold. Alexander Davinski 248 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 2: he's up on treason charges in Ukraine. Igor He confessed 249 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 2: and was convicted in Ukraine of treason for collaborate in 250 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: my Russia Seymour Kisslin Russian Kazak. According to Inner pol 251 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: And the US, he used Juliani's firms to launder Russian 252 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: money in the US. Andre Marief, I think you know, 253 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 2: and Andre Kukushin boat Russian oligarch's charged with making illegal 254 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 2: campaign contributions inside of the US. Something that you're connected with. 255 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: And then finally with Ranifort olig der Pashke is a 256 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: Russian oligarch, and Constantine Kalimnik, who is a Russian intelligence 257 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 2: officer working with Juliani and with Paul Mannifort, Trump's campaign manager, 258 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 2: and Manafort has confessed publicly to passing him internal stif So. 259 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 2: It walks like a duck, It quacks like a duck, 260 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 2: It fucks like a dock, It has duck DNA and 261 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 2: tastes great with plum sauce. 262 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 3: How do you know how ducks fucked, Carrie, I'm. 263 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: Just saying this smells like a Russian conspiracy. To me, 264 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: I went on too long, but I wanted to underline 265 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: just how Russian this fucking not only Russian, but Russian 266 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 2: intelligence disinformation this world is coming out of. 267 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: I mean, as funny as it is, it's so sad. 268 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: This is Russian disinformation has entered the halls of Congress, 269 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: has entered the halls of our doj R. FBI all 270 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: the way up to right now, we're trying to impeach 271 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: the U sitting US president on Russian disinformation. That's play. 272 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's out there. I mean look at what 273 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: you look at you you just read it down. You 274 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: don't think the congressman sitting up there looking at the 275 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: world in the face don't know this information. They know 276 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: a lot more. They know that where everybody's and they 277 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: know there is no bodies when it comes to Joe Biden. 278 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: And that's the problem. That's that's where they're hold. There's 279 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: a lot of ifs, buts, and it's crazy, but yes, 280 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: all of those people that you mentioned, every one of 281 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: those has direct ties to the Kremlin. Don't forget. I 282 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: was involved in the negotiations, conversations with Nicholas Maduro and 283 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: then Guido in Spain. I was also intricate in introducing 284 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: and starting the relationship between the Turkish president Erdigon and 285 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: President Trump. You know, I was involved in his inauguration. 286 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: I was involved prior to that. I've seen a lot. 287 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: The world needs to understand. The say just about Ukraine, 288 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: this individual is a monster. He's a narcissist. He only 289 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: cares about himself. He idolizes these dictators because he wants 290 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: to be a dictator. He wants to rule with an 291 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: iron fist. He wants to be able to say and 292 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: do what he wants, and he wants everybody to fall 293 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: in line. So the world needs to know the truth. 294 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: And I'm finally humbled and happy that Congress was able 295 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: to get me up to because just think about how 296 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: hard the Republicans tried. Think about just comment says wise, 297 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: even if you know nothing about law, nothing about anything. 298 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: The two people that started this whole thing, not including 299 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: President Trump, was Rudy Giuliani and myself the collectors of it, 300 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: and then passed it on to Fox, and it was 301 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: Sahannity Solomon and then you know, the halls of Congress, 302 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: and then it went spread everywhere. 303 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 3: How did you get to know Rudy Giuliani? And someone 304 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 3: asked a question after one of our recent podcasts about 305 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 3: the Hunter Biden laptop, how exactly did he get the 306 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 3: laptop from the guy in Delaware? Like how did they 307 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 3: know each other? 308 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's not that difficult to find 309 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: a Trump supporter, you know that's willing to, you know, 310 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: play ball in whatever you want to do. On the flight. 311 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: When I got arrested, Bill Barr and everybody knew we 312 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: were flying to We were supposed to meet with this 313 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: ex CEO Alexander forgot his last name, to pick up 314 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: the hard drive, and we were supposed to do a big, 315 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: blockbuster interview from Vienna with Victor Schoke and the hard 316 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: drive and Rudy and Sean Handy was going to have it. 317 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I put the tweets out, I put the 318 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: text messages out, and all of these Congress people understand 319 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: and know That's why I was arrested. Because Bill Barr 320 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: understood that this was rushing this information. He understood that 321 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: Rudy didn't care. He was pushing Russian this information. And 322 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: if you remember when I got arrested, that was just 323 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: when the whistleblower came out and named me and Igor 324 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: as Rudy's henchman on the ground in Ukraine. So Bill 325 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: Barr understood that once I get subpoena, even though Trump's 326 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: lawyers were making a big stink, he understood that eventually 327 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to have to testify or go to prison. 328 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: And he knew that if I testify, thinking I'm telling 329 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: the truth, I'm only going to be showing how corrupt 330 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: Trump is and how much was spreading. So Bill Barr 331 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: thought he was going to be smart and bury me 332 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: with the information and make me look like the scapegoat. 333 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: What he didn't realize that Trump was not going to stop. 334 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: That Trump was going to continue even more instead and 335 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: now go directly to the Russian disinformation and make it 336 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: even worse. And that's when that's when Bill Barr jumped ship. 337 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: They knew everything. I mean, they knew what was going on. 338 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: And if you see what I was arrested for and 339 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: then what I went to prison for two different things. 340 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 2: We named that huge list of Russian disinformation officers that 341 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 2: was funneling information through you and Judiani. So you had 342 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: a really powerful testimony at the house in front of 343 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 2: committit and you name names, you said, Ron Johnson knew, Yes, absolutely, 344 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 2: Comber knew, and Pete Sessions new. Did they all know? 345 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 2: I'll just ask you straight out, if you're getting information 346 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: from Russian disinformation officers? Did they realize that? 347 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, you know how it works. I mean they haven't, 348 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: I mean of course they know. I mean this, all 349 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,719 Speaker 1: of the this stuff never even got vetted they wouldn't 350 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: even vett it because they knew if they would vett it, 351 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: they would come back, you know, not good. So they 352 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: didn't even give a chance. I mean, just think about 353 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 1: I would get a text message from Victor Shoken with 354 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: some piece of paper, and right from there it would 355 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: go to Ron Johnson, it would go to Devin new News, 356 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: it would go to Fox News within an hour, no vetting, 357 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: no checking out to see what for you, But because 358 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: it fit the narrative. So do you hear Senator Ron 359 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: Johnson screaming, Oh, this is crazy, he's a criminal. He's lying. No, 360 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: he knows I'm telling the truth. Because if any one 361 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: of them pick up a stink and respond to me, 362 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,959 Speaker 1: they give light to the truth. And that's one thing 363 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: they don't want to do. They'll argue with anybody else. 364 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: He'll go argue with the sixteen year old girl. He'll 365 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: attack an eighty five year old grandmother that doesn't agree 366 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: with what he said, but he will never Just think 367 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: about it, guys, find me one tweet, one response from 368 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: Trump or any of them to any of the troth 369 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: and again not to say that they might call me 370 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: a liar, no, but actual response to my accusations because 371 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: it's very easy to go on TV and lie like 372 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,239 Speaker 1: they do because there's no consequences. But I challenge any 373 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: one of them to get up there just like either 374 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: under oath and from the whole world, and be able 375 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: to tell the truth. 376 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 3: We got to take a break now and we'll be 377 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 3: back in just a minute. 378 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 2: Glad to have everybody back. Let's go back down the 379 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 2: rabbit hole. 380 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 3: Did Mike Pompeo have any role in this? Mean he 381 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 3: was a Secretary of State? Action is involved in trying 382 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 3: to get rid of Masha Gyovanovitch. 383 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: He wasn't. That's actually no, he wasn't. Let me tell 384 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: you the truth. No he wasn't. That's it's a misconception. Actually, Pompeo, 385 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: if you guys obviously know he was Kulch brothers. You know, 386 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: he wasn't part of the Trump regime. Even when Trump 387 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: got him and put him into office. Trump really liked 388 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: the way he looked and he fit the role more 389 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: than anything else. But what happened with Marie Ivanovich, he 390 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 1: actually was the opposite. The reason it took so long 391 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: to fire her. Trump try to fire. 392 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 2: Her like fourteen you can explain who she is. 393 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Marie Ivanovich is the US ambassador, was the US 394 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: ambassador to Ukraine. She was, you know, one of the 395 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: top fighters for anti corruption and was doing a great 396 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: job al Org. I think she's been a US ambassador 397 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: all over the world for over twenty twenty five years, 398 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: very high standards there. Will started becoming a rumor because 399 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: she was such an anti corruption person that people in Ukraine, 400 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: especially powerful individuals, wanted to get her out of her post. 401 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: So the rumors started spreading that she was against Trump, 402 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: that she didn't put his picture up on the wall, 403 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: I mean, all kinds of crazy stuff. And eventually those 404 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: rumors got to me, and that's why you guys heard 405 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: that conversation that me and Trump had when he said 406 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: get rid of it. The biggest problem there I think 407 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: we need to start is we gotta get rid of 408 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: the ambassador. She still left over from the Clinton administration 409 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: where the ambassador were Ukraine. Yeah, and she's basically walking 410 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: around telling everybody, wait, he's going to get impeached. Just wait, 411 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: like I don't remember, get rid of her, get around 412 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: to take her out, Okay, next I'll do it. That 413 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: was the first time he said get rid of her. 414 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: Fire her. After that, Rudy had probably another three meetings 415 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: at the White House where he said get rid of her, 416 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: fire her. One was I remember exactly if it was 417 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: in front of Bolton and Pompeo. They were there and 418 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: Pompeo basically didn't take the order and bolt didn't take 419 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: the order. So what was going inside is Pompeio was 420 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: getting a lot of pressure because there was no reason 421 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: to fire her, and they understood that the newson Trump 422 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: wanted to fire hers because she stopped Victor Scholkin, who 423 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: was the ex Prosecutor General of Ukraine, from coming to 424 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: the United States to spread more propaganda. She stopped as 425 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: visa and when she stopped that, she became enemy number 426 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: one for US and the Trump campaign. So yeah, it 427 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: took like three four times. Pompeo was actually blocking it 428 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: and kept her in office until eventually Trump just went 429 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: over Pompeo's had and fired her on live TV with 430 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: a Twitter. He fired our Twitter basically, and then she 431 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: got the called literally an hour after he posted on 432 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: Twitter in the middle of the night telling her that 433 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: you got to get out of there quickly. Something's going 434 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: up here on K Street. 435 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: But one of the things with this whole thing is 436 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 2: it's just so friggin complicated. 437 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: The truth of the matter was that actually Victor Shokin 438 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: was the corrupt one. I mean, that's not to say 439 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: Borismo wasn't corrupt. Barismo was corrupt. 440 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: But the IMF, the European Union, the White everybody, everybody 441 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 2: wanted to get rid of Chokun. 442 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if you if you, if you saw 443 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: some of my tweets that I posted today on x first, 444 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 1: I posted one of the interviews of Victor Chokin and 445 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani where Giuliani gets frustrated with him and ask 446 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: him blatantly says, I know it doesn't look good, and 447 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, of course, and he says, but did they 448 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: do anything illegal? Did they, you know, take bribes? Cap 449 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: and Shoking answers with one word, No, he's not charged 450 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: with anything. 451 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 3: Fifty or so years not charged with anything. I gotta 452 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 3: tell you, I met the guy, spent a lot of 453 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 3: time with him. This guy's corrupt, He's not good at it. 454 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 6: This is National Agency for Preventing Corruption says that mister 455 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 6: Sho can never duringing the existence of was corrupt, was 456 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 6: incriminated tennis, and so. 457 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,479 Speaker 1: That was one of the things. And the other interesting 458 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: video I put up there today was actually an interview, 459 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: and this is you know a lot of people haven't 460 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: seen because Fox News buried it instead. What do they 461 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: continue to do? They continue to put victors Shokun on 462 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 1: their TV to push the same narrative, They continue to 463 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: push all of these Russian propaganda and the same thing 464 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: like nothing ever happened. And that's the scary part where 465 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: people have to open their eyes and say, what the 466 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: fuck is going on here? Guys? I mean, like, what 467 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: the fuck? I see this? We all see this, Like, 468 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: how could this still be good? How come there's nobody's 469 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: being held accountable. The only thing I could say is people, 470 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: you know, that's why these elections are so so important, 471 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: not for any anything else, but for them to have accountability. 472 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: Because I believe that if the Democrats actually win the House, 473 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: there will be accountability. I believe people like Jamie Raskin 474 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: will hold hearings and put real people criminals, like all 475 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: the names that I mentioned. I want to see Bill Barr, 476 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: Special Council Brady. I want to see Pete Sessions, Rudy Juliani, 477 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: Solomon Sean, all of these people, they're well involved in 478 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: this and sit there under oath. Let's get everything out 479 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: on the open and then we'll see what happens, because 480 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: then we'll see true accountability. That's the only way we 481 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: could make sure this never happens again. Otherwise our democracyson 482 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: for a fucking turmoil. 483 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 3: Let me go back a little bit. So we're talking 484 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 3: about efforts to smear Joe Biden and lead up to 485 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty election. Yep, and you were involved with 486 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 3: Rudy Giuliani and trying to find that dirt that can 487 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 3: help the Trump campaign smear Biden. Let's go back to 488 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. Now, Trump has long claimed that it was Ukraine, 489 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 3: not Russia, that was behind the interference in the twenty 490 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 3: sixteen elections. Now we know that's not true. There's been multiple, 491 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 3: multiple investigations, and we know the Russians were behind trying 492 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 3: to interfere. It wasn't you. But what was behind that view? 493 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 3: If anything? Was it just Trump making that up to 494 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 3: deflect allegations that he and his campaign were colluding with 495 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 3: Russian interests. 496 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: It was again Trump working off of Russian this information. 497 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 1: If you recall that that meeting that Trump had. I 498 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: think where was it in Finland or wherever it was 499 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: where they had the meeting. And he came out and 500 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: basically said, well, you know, I listened to President Putin. 501 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: He said he didn't do it. Why would he do it? 502 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: I believe he didn't do it. But wait a second, 503 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: mister president, what about your intelligence services? Everybody's telling you 504 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: the whole world saying that yes, Russia interfered. No, I 505 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: you know, I spoke to pleasant President Puta. So you 506 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: have to understand that was a narrative being pushed from 507 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: Russia to say it wasn't us, It was there Ukrainians 508 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: that medled in your elections. There are trying to blame Russia. 509 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: And it fit into Trump's narrative because he did not 510 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: want to have anything connected to Russia, and it was 511 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,239 Speaker 1: easy for him say, yeah, Ukrainians are blaming Russia. And 512 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: that's what a lot of people don't understand. This bullshit 513 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: that he sits there and says, yeah, I mean, does 514 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: Zelensky have a good relationship. He can't stand Zelenski. The 515 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: second he gets a chance, he will annihilate, destroy Ukraine 516 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: and serve it up as a president of Vladimir Putin, 517 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: because this moron thinks that that will bring him closer 518 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: to him in a better relationship, and thinks he'll get 519 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: points because he ended the war, not that he'll get 520 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: millions of people killed and displaced out of their homes 521 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: well because he ended the war. 522 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 3: No, just to go back and to give a little 523 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 3: bit about your backer. How did you end up in 524 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 3: the States. 525 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: I was born in nineteen seventy two in Odessa, Ukraine. 526 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: It was back then it was still the Soviet Union, 527 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: and seventy six we immigrated out of there because of persecution, 528 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: and that's when they opened the floodgates and wanted to 529 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: get rid of all the Jews, and we were able 530 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,959 Speaker 1: to immigrate. We were going to Israel with the layover. At 531 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: the time in Rome, we were waiting to get documents done. 532 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: And it was nineteen seventy six. It was a two 533 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: hundred bi centennial of the United States, and the US 534 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: Ambassador to Italy was there giving out a two hundred 535 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: visas in a lottery, and my sister happened to win 536 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: with me one of the visa lotteries, and my whole 537 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: family because of that was able to go to the 538 00:25:54,840 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: United States instead of Israel. We came to first Michigan, Detroit, Michigan. 539 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: We sell them because the Jewish Organization took us in there. 540 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: I got it into a car accident, my father had 541 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 1: a heart attack. We ended up in Little Odessa, Brighton Beach, Brooklyn, 542 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 1: New York. And that's where I basically grew up in Brooklyn, 543 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: New York, Little Odessa, Bright Beach. 544 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 3: I remember when I was taking Russian language training. We 545 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 3: would go up to those restaurants up in Brighton Beach 546 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 3: and they were so Russian, you know. And then after 547 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 3: living in Russia, you'd realize, oh my god, like the 548 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 3: singing and the food coming out, and. 549 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: You know, you know, the whole crazy part. It wasn't 550 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,479 Speaker 1: really Russian. It was more Ukrainian. Yeah, But then it 551 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: was all said Russian because it was a Soviet Union, 552 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: you know that we just say Russia. So we were Russian, 553 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: you know, because we spoke the Russian language. But you know, 554 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: majority of the people there were Ukrainian actually because it 555 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: was Ukrainian Jews, you know. And then back in nineteen 556 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: eighty nine, I think it was right before the fall 557 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: of the Soviet Union, I went back to Russia. I mean, 558 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: I went back to it, well it was still the 559 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: Soviet Union and started doing business. I was there actually 560 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: when the tanks were coming out, the revolt and the 561 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: fall and everything, and I was actually in Moscow and 562 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: on the Red Square watching this all happen lies. I 563 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: was there from the beginning, from when it was the 564 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: Soviet Union, then when the fall, when Ukraine separated became 565 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: a sovereign country. I've seen it all unfold in my life, 566 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: and that's why, you know, I apologize to the Ukrainian people, 567 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: to the American public because of all the fault and 568 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: whatever my actions were in this whole ploy, even though 569 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: you know, I can't excuse him, even though because at 570 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: that moment I thought I was doing the right thing, 571 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: but now I know it was the wrong thing. So 572 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: I want I definitely apologize and still apologize to everybody 573 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: for being involved. And then that's why I'm trying to 574 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: be so vocal and get out the truth to be 575 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: able to make amends of what I did and try 576 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,239 Speaker 1: to stop it before it gets any worse, because it's 577 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: already really bad. 578 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 3: Well, we're really glad that you did. I mean, you know, 579 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 3: we came from us intelligence, and what we want is 580 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 3: the truth to come out no matter which way it goes. 581 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: Exactly what you're doing, I think is. 582 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 3: What all good Americans should do, even when it's difficult, 583 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 3: and certainly in this situation, it's difficult for you. But 584 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 3: thank you for doing it. So that's all the time 585 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 3: we have today. But Lev has a lot more to 586 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 3: tell us, so we're going to pick this up again 587 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 3: next week in our next episode of Mission Implausible. 588 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 2: Mission Implausible is produced by Adam Davidson, Jerry O'Shea, John Cipher, 589 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 2: and Jonathan Stern. The associate producer is Rachel Harner. This 590 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 2: has been a production of Abominable Pictures, an honorable mention 591 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 2: for iHeart Podcasts.