WEBVTT - Epstein Refuses to "Bust Out Cryin!" In Purported Suicide Note JUST Released 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, there, folks, it is Thursday, May seventh.

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<v Speaker 2>Then are we closer to ending any controversy over how

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<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Epstein died now that a suicide note purportedly from

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<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Epstein has been made public and there are plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of reasons in there to believe it is authentic, And

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<v Speaker 2>with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.

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<v Speaker 2>First things verse ropes does this now not going to

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<v Speaker 2>say it ends it, but does this get closer to

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<v Speaker 2>leaning in that direction in this conversation to say, Okay, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>this man killed himself.

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<v Speaker 3>I think so. I think for people who were on

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<v Speaker 3>the fence, and I think I might have been in

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<v Speaker 3>that category, and just leaving space open for the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that I don't know, We don't know. There are just

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of questions surrounding his death, and given what

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<v Speaker 3>information he probably had that could have come out in trial,

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<v Speaker 3>it makes sense those conspiracy theories are still alive and

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<v Speaker 3>have been for seven years now nearly. But this note

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<v Speaker 3>does to me make it seem highly likely that yes,

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<v Speaker 3>he tried it once and then he was successful a

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<v Speaker 3>few weeks later, Because this note looks like his handwriting

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<v Speaker 3>and sounds like the other bits of writing we've seen

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<v Speaker 3>from him, how he talks, how he texts.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna read you the text of this note. Robes,

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<v Speaker 2>let's go, you know what this was in twenty nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>when he died. Usually, let's not set this up. We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna let you hear it and then we'll break it down.

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<v Speaker 2>But Robes, this, of course, twenty nineteen is when he died.

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<v Speaker 2>There was He did have a cell mate who is

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<v Speaker 2>a quadruple murderer who's been convicted. And this is the

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<v Speaker 2>guy we're getting all this information from. He said he

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<v Speaker 2>found this note. But it's been under seal all of

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<v Speaker 2>these years. We'll get into why it came out, why

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<v Speaker 2>it came out now, and we'd been talking about this.

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<v Speaker 1>But Robes, here it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Let folks hear first what this note actually says, again

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<v Speaker 2>from Jeffrey Epstein, apparently a suicide note in twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is scrawled in handwriting on a yellow lined

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<v Speaker 3>piece of paper. They investigated me for a month, found nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing is in all caps with three exclamation points. So

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<v Speaker 3>sixteen year old charges it is a treat to be

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<v Speaker 3>able to choose one's time to say goodbye. What you

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<v Speaker 3>want me to do burst out crying all in caps, next,

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<v Speaker 3>no fun, not worth it to exclamation points. Look, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not signed, it's not dated, but it certainly sounds like. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>we have gotten from the Epstein files dump a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of his writings and a lot of the way he

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<v Speaker 3>speaks when he writes things out, and what his handwriting

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<v Speaker 3>looks like. Doesn't this sound familiar based on all of

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<v Speaker 3>those other documents that you've seen and read.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, not for me. Now, others who have been

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<v Speaker 2>studying those longer tell me that those are phrases that

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<v Speaker 2>he used consistently. Bust out crying, that's a strange thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You wouldn't hear a sixty year old man necessarily using that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's unique fun, just throwing fun in the way.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the phrase I.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you no fun, not worth it?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's not digain that sixty year old do? You

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<v Speaker 2>don't necessarily think it would stand out if you heard

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<v Speaker 2>somebody is a talking like this. Now, other folks who

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<v Speaker 2>have been going through the Epstein files and the Epstein

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<v Speaker 2>Dump for months recognize those phrases. Yes, and they say

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely that I don't think that's like a coincidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Bros. That's not just a common phrase folks just throw

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<v Speaker 1>out no.

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<v Speaker 3>And look, his cellmate claims that his lawyers had handwriting

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<v Speaker 3>experts authenticate the note. And there's a reason why his

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<v Speaker 3>cellmate had a vested interest in this note, and we

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<v Speaker 3>can explain all of that and how it came about.

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<v Speaker 3>So this federal judge unsealed and released this unverified, alleged

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<v Speaker 3>Jeffrey Epstein suicide note because the New York Times asked

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<v Speaker 3>this judge to The New York Times asked this judge

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<v Speaker 3>to do so because of two things. Yes, they heard

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<v Speaker 3>what his former cellmate had said on a podcast, and

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<v Speaker 3>they say in that DOJ document dump with millions of documents,

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<v Speaker 3>they saw a reference, A veiled reference is how they

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<v Speaker 3>described it, to a possible suicide note. So with those

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<v Speaker 3>two references, they went to the judge to ask for

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<v Speaker 3>this note to be uncil.

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<v Speaker 2>So these documents, the Epstein document started being released at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of last year, millions of stuff coming out

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<v Speaker 2>publicly from the DOJ.

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<v Speaker 1>But the DOJ say, what, there's a suicide note. Rose.

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<v Speaker 1>That was wild to me that they were.

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<v Speaker 2>After all this back and foot one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>centers of the controversy, and one of the biggest questions

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<v Speaker 2>is whether or not he had actually killed himself. And

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<v Speaker 2>the DOJ and all of this time. What there's a

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<v Speaker 2>suicide note.

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<v Speaker 1>That's wild.

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<v Speaker 3>It's disturbing, is what it is. The spokesperson told The

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<v Speaker 3>New York Times that they had never seen this note before.

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<v Speaker 3>That is crazy. So how did this suicide note end

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<v Speaker 3>up in Nicholas Tartaglione? Is that how you say his

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<v Speaker 3>a Tartan Tartaglioni. That's how it is, Nicholas Tartaglioni. How

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<v Speaker 3>did it end up in his case file sealed?

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<v Speaker 1>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>Because Tartaglioni says he found the note in his graphic novel.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, you just love that detail for some reason.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because of course he put it in a graphic novel.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't that also part of I guess it's authenticity that

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<v Speaker 3>that's exactly where Jeffrey Epstein would put an alleged suicide note.

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<v Speaker 3>But look, this is what his cellmates said on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, Jeffrey Epstein tried killing himself when he was

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<v Speaker 3>in the cell with me. I woke up, I brought

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<v Speaker 3>him back with CPR and to prove this point, Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 3>Epstein wrote a suicide note. It was in my book. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>when I got back into the cell, I opened my

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<v Speaker 3>book to read and there it was, and he wrote

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<v Speaker 3>it and stuck it in the book. So this is

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<v Speaker 3>what he says on the podcast, and he says he

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<v Speaker 3>gave the note to his lawyers in case Epstein continued

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<v Speaker 3>to claim that he attacked him, because that is what

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<v Speaker 3>Epstein initially said when he was found in his jail

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<v Speaker 3>cell with a it was described as a homemade looking

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<v Speaker 3>noose around his neck and fetal position with a mark

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<v Speaker 3>around his neck. He claimed initially that his cellmate tried

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<v Speaker 3>to attack him.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is where the problem lies. Why is this

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<v Speaker 2>guy who essentially has nothing to do with Epstein's case

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<v Speaker 2>and all this has been going on nationally, why is

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<v Speaker 2>he holding the cards, if you will, for a note

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<v Speaker 2>that is quite relevant robes to the whole Epstein discussion. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>once he handed it to his attorney, you have attorney

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<v Speaker 2>client privilege. Therein lies the issue. So it's in his file.

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<v Speaker 2>It has been closed, it has been sealed because it

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<v Speaker 2>is considered a part of an attorney client privilege, and

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<v Speaker 2>it just sat there. It's been sitting for seven years,

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<v Speaker 2>as we've been arguing over whether or not this man

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<v Speaker 2>killed himself, the note is sitting there.

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<v Speaker 1>This story will never end.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm shaking my head. I know you can't

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<v Speaker 3>see it. Because the idea that this back and forth

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<v Speaker 3>over whether or not Jeffrey Epstein actually died by suicide,

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<v Speaker 3>knowing this entire time that there was a suicide note

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<v Speaker 3>from a suicide attempt that happened approximately two weeks give

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<v Speaker 3>or take before Jeffrey Epstein actually did die by suicide.

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<v Speaker 3>The relevance of that is enormous, and the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>the DOJ didn't even know it existed is kind of

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<v Speaker 3>hard to even get our heads around.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you ask Roomes, what else?

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<v Speaker 2>Because this is significant, Like this is not some just

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<v Speaker 2>random new little nugget that came out. What else do

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<v Speaker 2>we not know? I knows impossible. This is the one

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<v Speaker 2>of these centerpieces of the controversy. Obviously somebody killed him,

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<v Speaker 2>because these powerful men are protecting their secrets, so somebody

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<v Speaker 2>killed them. Then you had the the worst prison workers ever,

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<v Speaker 2>no offense to them, but Robes that night they were

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<v Speaker 2>didn't they missed some of their duties. They were googling sleep,

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<v Speaker 2>some random stuff, and you put that together and say, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>on the night that he died, they just so happened

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<v Speaker 2>to have their heads turned. That will make you questions, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's also possible they were bad employees.

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<v Speaker 1>He did die by suicide. It's possible all these things happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, And it was also noted that when the judge

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<v Speaker 3>asked for responses from basically the cellmates, lawyers and the

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<v Speaker 3>DOJ whether or not he should release them release this

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<v Speaker 3>possible note, the lawyers for the cell mates said, hell, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>this is exactly what you know. He's already made statements

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<v Speaker 3>to this fact. This actually just bolsters his claim, said

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<v Speaker 3>this note does in fact exist. The DOJ's response was interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>They said, there appears to be strong public interest in

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<v Speaker 3>the circumstances surrounding Epstein's death as described in the unsealing motion.

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<v Speaker 3>That said, because the government has no knowledge as to

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<v Speaker 3>the accuracy of the factual narrative described in the unsealing motion,

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<v Speaker 3>the government defers to the court. It was a very

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<v Speaker 3>passive statement by the government.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, they could have summed that up just by saying

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<v Speaker 2>whatever and going on, Okay, fine, but nobody objected.

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<v Speaker 3>There was no pushback to this ropes yes, and so

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<v Speaker 3>that is why the judge finally released this and unsealed

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<v Speaker 3>it and released this possible suicide note for everyone now

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<v Speaker 3>to say, holy hell, cannot believe this was here the

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<v Speaker 3>entire time, and we.

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<v Speaker 2>Are look, we've putting piecing together what his some of

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<v Speaker 2>the phrases. Again, you could say it looks like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>this is an authentic note. We have to say, though,

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<v Speaker 2>row nobody has independently authenticated yes. This note to say

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<v Speaker 2>yes for sure looks like by the layperson's test, just

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<v Speaker 2>the eyeball test, looks like the hand right yes.

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<v Speaker 3>And we'll hear maybe more from the cellmates lawyers who

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<v Speaker 3>claimed that they did have a handwriting expert authenticated for

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<v Speaker 3>his case, just in case this needed to come up again.

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<v Speaker 3>So it'll be interesting to hear from them, and certainly

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<v Speaker 3>we'll have some folks be analyzing this in the days

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<v Speaker 3>to come to see if I don't know how you

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<v Speaker 3>officially authenticated, I guess some official, well respected expert could

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<v Speaker 3>possibly say yes or no, And then we could maybe

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<v Speaker 3>say we feel beyond a reasonable doubt that this in

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<v Speaker 3>fact was from Jeffrey Epstein. Well, when we come back

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to talk about the questions surrounding Jeffrey Epstein's

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<v Speaker 3>first suicide attempt that this note depicts. There are a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of interesting details surrounding what happened on July twenty third,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty nineteen. Welcome back, everyone to this episode of Amy

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<v Speaker 3>and TJ, where we are talking about a massive story

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<v Speaker 3>in the Jeffrey Epstein saga. Yes, his purported suicide note

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<v Speaker 3>has been unsealed and released to the public by a

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<v Speaker 3>judge after The New York Times asked him to do so.

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<v Speaker 3>This note that the DOJ claims they didn't even know existed,

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<v Speaker 3>is now available for all of us to read and

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<v Speaker 3>to see and to contemplate, to put into context. If this,

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<v Speaker 3>in fact is real, it appears that it likely is.

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<v Speaker 3>Does this calm down the folks who believe that Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 3>Epstein was murdered?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know it was going to be well. I

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<v Speaker 2>actually just wrote that note down to ask you. This

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<v Speaker 2>is fairly new. It came out last night, the news

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<v Speaker 2>and the notes started getting around. I haven't seen a

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<v Speaker 2>whole lot of reaction. Maybe there isn't a lot yet,

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<v Speaker 2>but are people already pushing and saying this isn't authentic?

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<v Speaker 2>Are calling this note into question?

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<v Speaker 3>I everyone that I every publication that I have read

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<v Speaker 3>so far, it all is reading as though this does

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<v Speaker 3>seem fairly legit. So it'll be interesting to see what

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<v Speaker 3>this does to the conspiracy theorists out there and the

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<v Speaker 3>reason why there are still so many conspiracy theories. Beyond

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<v Speaker 3>just the obvious that we've stated that, yes, he had

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<v Speaker 3>information about powerful men and women who wouldn't have wanted

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<v Speaker 3>him to live to see a court date, but beyond that,

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<v Speaker 3>the incident surrounding July twenty third of this purported first

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<v Speaker 3>suicide attempt. Yes, we mentioned he was found in fetal

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<v Speaker 3>position with a homemade fashioned noose around his neck, but

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<v Speaker 3>because of Epstein's own words in the day after and

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<v Speaker 3>the days that followed, it made it seem as though

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't try to kill himself. He told a psychologist initially, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>he said that his roommate or his cellmate tried to

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<v Speaker 3>kill him, but he pretty quickly recanted that, told a

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<v Speaker 3>psychologist the next day that TARTAGLIONI didn't threaten to harm him,

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<v Speaker 3>and then he just started saying, I have no recollection

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<v Speaker 3>of the incident, and so that caused some questions. He

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<v Speaker 3>then went further and said, I have no interest in

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<v Speaker 3>killing myself, point blank told a psychologist is he said,

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<v Speaker 3>I am too vested in my case to not fight it.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a life and I want to go back

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<v Speaker 3>to living my life. So when you hear those types

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<v Speaker 3>of comments that are in a report from a notable psychologist,

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<v Speaker 3>that fuels the theory that no, see, he didn't he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't try to die. He didn't want to die. He

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to fight. He wanted to maybe call out all

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<v Speaker 3>these other people who had been a part of his life.

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<v Speaker 3>So that adds to the speculation.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, what a doctor should we try?

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<v Speaker 2>A doctor would know if somebody was just bs in them,

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<v Speaker 2>because this could also just sound like a guy who

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to get a doctor off's back and make

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<v Speaker 2>sure they don't put him on suicide watch. It could

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<v Speaker 2>easily be dismissed as that. But yes, that does fly

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<v Speaker 2>in the face of the story everything. There's no consistency

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<v Speaker 2>of the narrative he tried to kill himself, he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to kill himself. He's writing a note that says

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to die. He's telling a doctor he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>wants to die. The guy assaulted me, he did all

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<v Speaker 2>the back. Nothing is a consistent theme, so that yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the doubts will continue to be there. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>closest I have seen robes to putting a button on

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<v Speaker 2>the question about the suicide.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think for a lot of folks, like

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<v Speaker 3>I said, who were on the fence but leaning towards

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<v Speaker 3>just where the evidence is pointing, I think this note,

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<v Speaker 3>especially if it can be officially authenticated, will will put

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of those theories to rest or to bed

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<v Speaker 3>for a lot of people. There will always be people

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<v Speaker 3>who will never believe that he died by suicide. But

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<v Speaker 3>I do think that a large group of people who

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<v Speaker 3>might we who maybe were waiting to see or not

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<v Speaker 3>necessarily having a form of opinion, this might be the

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<v Speaker 3>smoking gun they were looking.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see probably more and more to the authenticating the note.

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<v Speaker 1>They put it out of me. Everybody has access to it.

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<v Speaker 2>There are handwriting experts working on it this morning, and

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<v Speaker 2>they will be on podcasts and they will be confirming

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<v Speaker 2>or not confirming. All of that stuff will be out

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<v Speaker 2>probably today. It wrote some of that Why why hold

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<v Speaker 2>on to it? The attorneys knew good in hell, well,

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<v Speaker 2>all the debate and going on in the country about Epstein,

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<v Speaker 2>and they did they not realize or forget they were

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<v Speaker 2>holding on them.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just gonna imagine, Well, maybe they forgot, Really,

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna forget about having seen and having given the

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<v Speaker 3>court this document that you know, would had been of

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<v Speaker 3>incredible interest and would have been real possible information in

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<v Speaker 3>all the speculation that's been going on now for seven years.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're saying it's not possible they forgot about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I just can't imagine. But I don't know why they

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't have brought attention to it. I'm not sure. It's unclear.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, maybe they did just get really busy, and maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>They just don't give a damn. It's not there and

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<v Speaker 2>the Epstein stuff is not in their lane. I don't know, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>if they were holding on. But it's possible the document

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<v Speaker 2>that was in the Epstein files, who the one that

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<v Speaker 2>timeline that chronology that mentioned that there was a note?

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<v Speaker 1>Where did that come from? Whose was that that was.

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<v Speaker 3>Within the Department of Justice's documents. But I think the

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<v Speaker 3>point being that there were so many millions of these

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<v Speaker 3>documents that it slipped by or it went unnoticed by

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<v Speaker 3>DJ folks, and it took the New York Times, who

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<v Speaker 3>was painstakingly going through all of these documents, to put

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<v Speaker 3>together this podcast interview that hissell made. By the way,

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<v Speaker 3>gave it the end of last year, but put it

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<v Speaker 3>together with this one document that they said made a

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<v Speaker 3>veiled reference to a suicide note, and then the wherewithal

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<v Speaker 3>to say, let me go after this case file and

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<v Speaker 3>see if we can find it. So good on the

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<v Speaker 3>New York Times, we now have more information, which is

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<v Speaker 3>always a good thing in a case that has fascinated

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<v Speaker 3>this country and frankly this world now for quite some time.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure it's not over yet. With that, everyone, we

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<v Speaker 3>always appreciate you listening to us. I'm Aye Roebuck alongside T. J. Holmes.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk to you sooner