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Speaker 1: sitting across from me as usual as senior writer Jonathan Strickland.
Speaker 1: Hey there, do you think people can identify our voices
Speaker 1: pretty easily? Well, I would imagine, so we don't sound
Speaker 1: exactly alike or anything at all alike, really, I know,
Speaker 1: But I mean, do you think people could listen to us,
Speaker 1: people who have listened to the podcast before and say,
Speaker 1: I know that's Jonathan and that's Chris. Possibly, although I
Speaker 1: have heard at least one person claim after we did
Speaker 1: a phone interview that I was the only person who
Speaker 1: sounded the way I did on the podcast. But you
Speaker 1: know what makes you look taller. You were sitting further
Speaker 1: You were sitting further away from the phone, and it
Speaker 1: was on speaker phone at the time, so that may
Speaker 1: have played apart. But um, what we're getting to here
Speaker 1: is kind of working our way slowly around to the
Speaker 1: topic we're gonna discuss today. But that actually comes courtesy
Speaker 1: of a little listener mail. This listener mail comes from
Speaker 1: Mason in Iowa, and he says, Hey, there, love the podcast.
Speaker 1: How about an episode on how Shazam and Medomi work?
Speaker 1: How does the program segment compare against a database and
Speaker 1: return result? It's so darn quickly, especially when I'm the
Speaker 1: one doing the singing in Medomi's case. Well, Mason, first
Speaker 1: of all, I should I should point out I would
Speaker 1: be remiss if I did not point out that we
Speaker 1: have a sister podcast called Stuff from the B Side,
Speaker 1: and they actually did an episode about this kind of software. However,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tackle it ourselves because we actually tend to
Speaker 1: cover the same topics now and then we've we've done
Speaker 1: both done the electric guitar, so I see no reason
Speaker 1: for us not to uh tackle this one. Sure, and
Speaker 1: there's uh you know, we can add a little stuff
Speaker 1: that they didn't add. Sure, yeah, like puns that in
Speaker 1: some updates about what's going on. Oh oh yeah, we
Speaker 1: can do that too. So let's how about which one
Speaker 1: do you us start with? Zam or Medomi? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: she Zam has been around longer, that's true. She Zam
Speaker 1: has been around since the early two thousands. Like two
Speaker 1: thousand two was when it first the company first started.
Speaker 1: In two thousand thirty was really when the service started
Speaker 1: to get some attention. Actually I had it down as
Speaker 1: sam starting in two thousand really wow, okay, so I
Speaker 1: stand corrected. Yeah, the the earliest version of Shazam was
Speaker 1: an interesting version. You would you would hold your cell
Speaker 1: phone up to the source of music and you would
Speaker 1: uh send that to the Shazam service, and you would
Speaker 1: get a text message back identifying the song. And I
Speaker 1: can see why this could be considered like some sort
Speaker 1: of weird magic. I mean, how could a service figure
Speaker 1: that out so quickly because it was usually just a
Speaker 1: matter of a few seconds between when you sent the
Speaker 1: the music and when or when you held the phone
Speaker 1: up to the music source and when you got the reply.
Speaker 1: Oh it's magic, you know, right. Uh, you have to
Speaker 1: believe we are magic. We can do this. You appreciate
Speaker 1: that you do in the Zany reference, well, yeah, you're welcome.
Speaker 1: I was gonna go with Loving Spoonful, but even I think, Sanna,
Speaker 1: do we already lost everybody Loving Spoonful? I don't. There's
Speaker 1: probably three of you out there who even know who
Speaker 1: that is. So but yeah, I think you're right. And
Speaker 1: it's um stuff like this and in voice recognition. I
Speaker 1: think it's one of those things that just sort of
Speaker 1: surprises people because you don't think that the computer has
Speaker 1: enough I don't know intelligence to figure it out. Wait,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, that's a machine, and the machine figure
Speaker 1: out what I was doing there. Let's talk about how
Speaker 1: Shazam does this. Now, what Shazam does It breaks down
Speaker 1: any recording into um, just some very simple data. They
Speaker 1: call it fingerprinting. They fingerprints songs. And if you were
Speaker 1: to if you were to try and if you were
Speaker 1: to try and and and chart out a song from
Speaker 1: start to finish with all the different elements that go
Speaker 1: into that, like you know, you're you're essentially assigning data
Speaker 1: points to every single frequency in that song, you would
Speaker 1: end up with a fairly substantial amount of data yeah,
Speaker 1: and Shazam has something like one point seven one point
Speaker 1: eight million songs in the database, probably even more than
Speaker 1: that now because that was the most recent data I
Speaker 1: saw too, but I think that data was yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So what sasam does is they take the peaks and
Speaker 1: the troughs, the highest points in the frequency and the
Speaker 1: lowest points of the frequency to map out patterns and
Speaker 1: the fingerprint songs in that way. So they're cutting out
Speaker 1: a lot of the information in the middle and uh.
Speaker 1: That actually saves lots of space. It also saves time
Speaker 1: when you're trying to match one song or or one
Speaker 1: clip to a database full of songs. So when you
Speaker 1: hold your phone up to a SEV speakers or uh,
Speaker 1: you know whatever whatever is making the music, um, it
Speaker 1: starts to uh. It sends that clip to the Shazam service,
Speaker 1: which then immediately analyzes it and looks at those peaks
Speaker 1: and troughs and tries to find a match in the database. Now,
Speaker 1: the reason why it's so fast is it Shazam keeps
Speaker 1: all of this in the computer's memory. It's not stored
Speaker 1: on a hard drive. The the database doesn't have to
Speaker 1: you know, the process sucsessor doesn't have to search the
Speaker 1: hard drive to find a match. Everything's in memory, which
Speaker 1: means they have to have lots and lots of machines
Speaker 1: to uh to be able to hold all those songs
Speaker 1: within computer memory, or at least the fingerprints of those songs.
Speaker 1: And so once it finds a match, it then sends
Speaker 1: that data back to you, and usually it's it's fairly accurate.
Speaker 1: It's especially accurate for more modern music, the stuff that's
Speaker 1: been out for the last couple of years. Um, if
Speaker 1: you start going back further, you may start encountering songs
Speaker 1: that just aren't not in the database, and so you
Speaker 1: won't get a legitimate match. And there are cases where
Speaker 1: if you have a song that is very similar to
Speaker 1: another song, it may come back with an incorrect match.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't happen that often. I suppose if you
Speaker 1: were to, you know, try and identify a Creed or
Speaker 1: Nickelback song, it would might come back wrong because all
Speaker 1: those damn songs sound the same to me. I mean, seriously, kids,
Speaker 1: find some better music, all right, So get off his lawn, Yes,
Speaker 1: get off my lawn. While I listened to, you know,
Speaker 1: music that they made in the good old days, like
Speaker 1: the late nineteen seventies in London. Um, like the sex pistols.
Speaker 1: So not that not that modern stuff that's just junk
Speaker 1: as an email to anyway, there's there are they're actually
Speaker 1: papers online. They go into very great to tail about
Speaker 1: the algorithms that they that Shazam uses to identify to
Speaker 1: match up songs and and to send the data back
Speaker 1: to you. Yeah, they go into quite a bit of
Speaker 1: depth and as our actually as our sister podcast pointing out,
Speaker 1: as uh John and Mark talked about, they used a
Speaker 1: three dimensional graph to do this. Yeah, it's kind of cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's called a uh, well you can call it a
Speaker 1: couple different things of time frequency graph where a spectrogram, um, sorry,
Speaker 1: spectrogram and uh, basically it's a it's three dimensional and
Speaker 1: that it goes it shows you over time how the
Speaker 1: you know, theeks and valleys of the song frequencies change, um.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of interesting that that it can that
Speaker 1: it's able to do that in the first place. But
Speaker 1: that's how it's you know, that's how it's looking at it,
Speaker 1: and that's having the element of time in there is
Speaker 1: crucial because otherwise, um, you know, wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: uh look at that Yeah. The the cool thing about
Speaker 1: this services that you can hold your phone up to
Speaker 1: any point of the song and and as long as
Speaker 1: you're able to get about fifteen seconds worth of of
Speaker 1: of content, then that's enough for sam to work with
Speaker 1: to find a match. So it doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: the beginning of the song, it doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: the end. It can be at any point, and as
Speaker 1: long as it is able to map out those troughs
Speaker 1: and valleys accurately, then you should be able to get
Speaker 1: a pretty good result. There are some things that can
Speaker 1: cause some problems besides the fact that some songs do
Speaker 1: sound alike. I mean that I was kind of making
Speaker 1: a joke there, but that could happen if you had
Speaker 1: if you're holding up a phone to a part where
Speaker 1: there was it was sampling another song and it was
Speaker 1: long enough, you could conceivably get the wrong result. But
Speaker 1: also if there's ambient sound that's interfering in the area,
Speaker 1: you may not be able to get a result because
Speaker 1: you know, it can't identify the song because it's getting
Speaker 1: all these other sound inputs that are mixing it up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's one of the things they sort of advertise.
Speaker 1: Wishes am is that you could take your phone around
Speaker 1: the mall, for example, or you know, on the radio
Speaker 1: in your car, um and hold it up to the
Speaker 1: speaker and it'll tell you what song that is. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're at the mall, you're dealing with
Speaker 1: all those people at the mall, You're dealing with perhaps
Speaker 1: conflicting songs coming from different places. We're acoustics, the distance
Speaker 1: from you to the speaker. I mean, there are all
Speaker 1: kinds of things can interfere with that. Not to mention
Speaker 1: your cell phone frequence frequency, you know, cutting out suddenly
Speaker 1: you're yes, so I've uh yeah, I thankfully there was
Speaker 1: a visual queue there. You guys don't get to see
Speaker 1: because this is an audio podcast. Brows did go up
Speaker 1: about a foot. That was nice. I was like, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to talk now. Um No, I've used
Speaker 1: this this application several times and uh and I have.
Speaker 1: I've had varying degrees of success. There's a a theater
Speaker 1: I go to on a fairly regular basis at a
Speaker 1: stage play theater, not a cinema theata. I got to
Speaker 1: the Theatah fairly regularly actually, and they have some They
Speaker 1: have a pretty cool mix of of pre show and
Speaker 1: post show music that they play on the sound system,
Speaker 1: And there have been a couple of times where there's
Speaker 1: been songs that I played that I just I didn't recognize,
Speaker 1: and Shazam is pretty good at identifying those. The hard
Speaker 1: part is being able to get a long enough section
Speaker 1: where people aren't talking loud so loudly that it's interfering
Speaker 1: with the sample, right, So there have been times where
Speaker 1: I've stood next to the speaker and held my phone
Speaker 1: up to it. But now there's problems with that too,
Speaker 1: because if the volume is too loud, then you get
Speaker 1: some distortion and then it doesn't really work in that
Speaker 1: way either. But also there's this incredibly obscure Japanese song
Speaker 1: that they play that Shasam just doesn't seem to recognize.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna have to break down and ask someone
Speaker 1: at the theater what the heck it is. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then there's the the other factor, you know, the part
Speaker 1: where you're standing there holding your cell phone up to
Speaker 1: a speaker and people are starting to wonder what the
Speaker 1: heck you're doing. But I mean, if I start worrying
Speaker 1: about what people think of me, now, I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: I've made it this far, why should I worry now?
Speaker 1: So let's let's kind of shift over a little bit
Speaker 1: and talk about Medomi, which is a little different from Shasanna.
Speaker 1: There's actually a few interesting uh and and fairly major differences,
Speaker 1: one of which is that the database that that Medomi
Speaker 1: uses is not it's not collected by the company necessarily,
Speaker 1: it's user jim rated. Users of Medomi have sung songs
Speaker 1: or hummed songs or whistled songs into their phones and identified,
Speaker 1: you know, tagged the file as being a certain song,
Speaker 1: and the user community tends to comment on these, vote
Speaker 1: him up or down? Uh, submit their own version. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what are you kidding? That doesn't sound like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here's my version, because god lord, the one that's in
Speaker 1: the database is terrible. And you could you could sing
Speaker 1: your own version and upload it to medomie and then
Speaker 1: people can vote on which one is the more representative
Speaker 1: version of the song. The wiki model, right, and the
Speaker 1: idea behind Medomi is that, you know, with Shazam, you
Speaker 1: really need the original source or you need you need
Speaker 1: to be able to hold the phone up to something
Speaker 1: that's playing the actual song. You can't necessarily sing it yourself,
Speaker 1: or even if there's a band playing it live. That
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be able to identify
Speaker 1: the song because it's looking for a specific pattern, and
Speaker 1: depending on the way you sing it or the way
Speaker 1: the band sings it or whatever, it may not match
Speaker 1: up to anything in their database, even though the song
Speaker 1: itself maybe in the database. Because of this fingerprint technology,
Speaker 1: Madomi is different. You know, it may be able to
Speaker 1: track your the way you sing the song and find
Speaker 1: a match within its user generated database. Now, the way
Speaker 1: Medomi explains that the how this works is a little
Speaker 1: um vague, I guess you could say, I'd say, okay,
Speaker 1: So in general, what happens is you submit the song
Speaker 1: and whatever format that you've chosen, whether it's whistling, singing, humming, whatever.
Speaker 1: The software they use converts this into a special length
Speaker 1: computer language they call Crystal language. Um, it's actually computer
Speaker 1: language is probably the wrong term, but it's their own
Speaker 1: proprietary format format exactly. And so then it looks into
Speaker 1: the database and sees if there are any files that
Speaker 1: have a similar, uh similar style to what you just
Speaker 1: sang or hummed or whistled or whatever, and then it
Speaker 1: gives you a selection of songs that most likely are
Speaker 1: going to fit what you sang. I say most likely
Speaker 1: because um, it's this. Yes, I've actually played with Medomie.
Speaker 1: Now I don't as far as I know, Medomi doesn't
Speaker 1: have an Android application. They may have it now, but
Speaker 1: at the time when I first heard of it, they
Speaker 1: did not have an Android application, so I don't have
Speaker 1: it on my phone. But you can use the service
Speaker 1: on the web. You can use it with a computer,
Speaker 1: so as long as your computer has a microphone, you
Speaker 1: can give it a try. And I decided to do this,
Speaker 1: and the first couple of songs I tried it was
Speaker 1: surprisingly very accurate. You know, I am not a good singer,
Speaker 1: as I'm sure many of you can imagine, my singing
Speaker 1: ability is is very poor. Um. I can do character
Speaker 1: voices for certain musicals and that's it. But I decided
Speaker 1: to give it a shot, and the first couple of
Speaker 1: songs I tried came out pretty accurate. I think the
Speaker 1: first one I did was uh, Sedated by the Ramans
Speaker 1: and I want to be Sedated, and it came came
Speaker 1: back right away. But the more I tried, the more
Speaker 1: I was encountering um anomalies, or maybe maybe the correct
Speaker 1: one was the anomaly for me. But I was having
Speaker 1: issues where I would sing something and I would get
Speaker 1: a result that was totally not what I was singing.
Speaker 1: The most egregious of these would be Blue Oyster Cults
Speaker 1: classic hit Don't Fear the Reaper. Uh My version, apparently
Speaker 1: to Medomi, sounds an awful lot like the girl from Ipanema.
Speaker 1: There wasn't nearly enough cow bell. No. I clearly was
Speaker 1: lacking the cowbell, and therefore Medomi was unable to understand
Speaker 1: what it was. But uh so, but if I had
Speaker 1: think of it this way, if I had recorded Don't
Speaker 1: Fear the Reaper and submitted it to Medomi and then
Speaker 1: tried to do it again, it would have identified my
Speaker 1: version of Don't Fear the Reaper as being correct. There
Speaker 1: you go, so that that's not, you know, difficult at all,
Speaker 1: just because they accord all your own songs, so that
Speaker 1: you can go and go, oh, what's the name of
Speaker 1: that song that I always yeah, exactly, Well, that that
Speaker 1: would more It would mostly be to impress or distress
Speaker 1: your friends, because you could sing a song that sounds
Speaker 1: nothing like the original, but it would come back and
Speaker 1: know what it was you were singing, because you were
Speaker 1: the one who provided the template for that song. Do
Speaker 1: you see that that seems problematic for me? Well, because
Speaker 1: it seems like you could intentionally go in and sing
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stuff and tag it and just
Speaker 1: drive people nuts. Well that's that's why you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's user user police, so you have to it's one
Speaker 1: of those services that depends heavily upon the community of users.
Speaker 1: If the community is being very uh you know, honest
Speaker 1: and forthright, then they are going to police the different
Speaker 1: submissions and make sure that only the ones that actually
Speaker 1: and accurately represent the songs are the ones that make
Speaker 1: it into the database. Otherwise, uh, you know, they essentially say, well,
Speaker 1: this is someone who's just goofing around and trying to
Speaker 1: cause problems, and they'll they'll nix it, right. So, um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, anytime there's a user, anytime there's
Speaker 1: a service that depends upon the community of users to
Speaker 1: to keep it going, it makes me a little nervous
Speaker 1: because you know, you never know when a group of
Speaker 1: people is just gonna get a little capricious and decide
Speaker 1: that you know, they that every song needs to be
Speaker 1: sung to the tune of the Yellow Rose in Texas
Speaker 1: and why not. Yeah. So, uh as for the new information, well,
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't know if we were. That's pretty
Speaker 1: much the way that those and again it's it's referring
Speaker 1: to a database. It's sending you the results pretty quickly. Um.
Speaker 1: But they they don't Madonie doesn't share as much of
Speaker 1: it's it's uh back end operations as Shazam does, so
Speaker 1: we can't for sure. Men say that they use the
Speaker 1: same sort of setup where they you know, everything stored
Speaker 1: in memory as opposed to hard drive space or whatever.
Speaker 1: We just don't know because we aren't privy to that information.
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, that's that's all I have on just
Speaker 1: the basic operations. So what's this new info you've well, um,
Speaker 1: you know, in in in general, Jasam basically offers the
Speaker 1: application for free for you know, iPhones and Nokia phones. Um.
Speaker 1: But actually, in the as of the ninth don't know,
Speaker 1: late middle part of October two thousand nine when we're
Speaker 1: recording this, um Chasm actually just got a new round
Speaker 1: of funding from Kleiner Perkins, call Field and Buyers. They
Speaker 1: actually have their own iPhone Apple Cation fund called the
Speaker 1: I fund this hundred million dollars and uh, you know
Speaker 1: it's specifically geared towards iPhone developers. Well, Shasam got some
Speaker 1: of that money, and there, um they're going to continue
Speaker 1: to offer their services for free for a while. Uh. Well,
Speaker 1: they actually charge for the BlackBerry version, but the iPhone
Speaker 1: and Nokia Phones version. I don't think they charge for Android,
Speaker 1: or if they have, I am totally unaware of it
Speaker 1: because I have Shazam for the Android phone and and
Speaker 1: if they're charging me for it, I need to pay
Speaker 1: better attention to my bills. Well, you need to pay
Speaker 1: attention to your bills by the end of the year
Speaker 1: in two thousand nine, because um, there you will start
Speaker 1: to get five free song identifications a month, and then
Speaker 1: four nine a month after that if you want unlimited
Speaker 1: usage and all the extra goodies. And they're talking about
Speaker 1: selling application or i'm sorry, selling items, uh you know
Speaker 1: as part of the application to like you know, banned
Speaker 1: gear and you know, possibly selling video. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: you know what. I can't be certain now, but I could.
Speaker 1: I seem to recall the last time that Sasam correctly
Speaker 1: identified a song for me. It gave me a link
Speaker 1: to where I could purchase the album on Amazon. But
Speaker 1: maybe maybe I've got that mistaken now because it has
Speaker 1: been a while since I've used it and had it
Speaker 1: actually work. Because it turns out that most music that
Speaker 1: I really like, I already know what the song is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just the really really obscure stuff that tends to
Speaker 1: like I'm like, wow, that's so cool. I've never heard
Speaker 1: that before, and apparently neither has Shazam, so I haven't
Speaker 1: had much call to use it recently. I don't have
Speaker 1: a Nokia phone, and I don't have an iPhone or
Speaker 1: an Android or BlackBerry um, but I do have the
Speaker 1: iPod and I could download Susanne. But I have the
Speaker 1: first generation iPod Touch, and so I could stand there
Speaker 1: all day holding up my microphone lists iPod Touch up,
Speaker 1: and She'sam's just gonna go anytime? You just just I'll
Speaker 1: be waiting. Actually, I could use a microphone that ugs in,
Speaker 1: but you know that costs money, right, and then you
Speaker 1: don't and you have to carry around an extra pace
Speaker 1: of gear and you have to be someplace where there's
Speaker 1: WiFi for you to be able to actually indeed, you
Speaker 1: know that could be problematic that's a lot of qualifiers
Speaker 1: for a single application. So maybe I'll invest in a
Speaker 1: smartphone eventually. Yeah, that would um, that would be my recommendation.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a there's this awesome new phone called
Speaker 1: the Motorola Droid. Have you heard about it? I do
Speaker 1: think I have. It's kind of hard not to, um
Speaker 1: so at any rate. Yeah, that's that's interesting stuff. Uh,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think these these services are really cool ideas,
Speaker 1: especially for people who happen to be out and about
Speaker 1: a lot and they hear a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: encountering a lot of new music. Um. It's it's a
Speaker 1: really interesting way to to to educate yourself about stuff
Speaker 1: that you like that you know, you you encounter, but
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily you're not really familiar with it. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of other options to Like,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of like HD radio stations which
Speaker 1: will identify the song that you are listening to. And
Speaker 1: there's some HD radio applications where you can even get
Speaker 1: access to buying the song off of something like Amazon
Speaker 1: or iTunes. So uh yeah. Of course satellite radio also
Speaker 1: identify as those and um, you know there are other
Speaker 1: and this really isn't all that especially new. You know,
Speaker 1: Grace Note alias c d dB, you know, has been
Speaker 1: identifying songs mathematically, uh, you know, based on identification numbers,
Speaker 1: and at least, you know, it's a little bit different
Speaker 1: from the way that Shazam and Medomi do. And then
Speaker 1: there's my buddy John, who seems to know every song
Speaker 1: ever recorded. So I'll be like, hey, John, what's that
Speaker 1: song that goes has He'll be like, oh, that's such
Speaker 1: and such by the so and so's and so. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you if you don't have access to Shazam or Medomi,
Speaker 1: you should totally call my buddy John because he probably
Speaker 1: knows a song. Yeah, you know. And I bet that somewhere, uh,
Speaker 1: in our brains there is a mathematical algorithm going on
Speaker 1: to converts those bits of information you have to be
Speaker 1: able to recognize something. Well, yeah, you think about the
Speaker 1: brain is pretty remarkable because you can recognize a song
Speaker 1: even if someone is mangling it. Yeah, you know, it
Speaker 1: doesn't you may not sound anything like the original song,
Speaker 1: but because we're able to recognize that, we can say, hey,
Speaker 1: that song is as you know, such and such like,
Speaker 1: or you can always do my favorite thing, which is Hey,
Speaker 1: who sings that song? Oh that would be the Beatles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let them do it if nice. Um no, I'm a
Speaker 1: I'm a kind guy. But yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: they say that kids who play a musical instrument are
Speaker 1: a little better at math. You know, it's sort of
Speaker 1: there's a connection between the two. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe there's a thing. I'm I'm a pretty mean hand
Speaker 1: with the slide whistle on and not no, not with
Speaker 1: the slide rule, lack at ish sh mac and you do.
Speaker 1: Oh there you go. See those are the kinds of
Speaker 1: lame jokes that we bring. That's what we bring to
Speaker 1: the table that you just aren't going to get from
Speaker 1: stuff from the B sides. Yeah, you will get some
Speaker 1: very valuable information about music from stuff on the B
Speaker 1: sides and instruments, you won't get really horrible jokes. So
Speaker 1: thank them for that. Yeah, yeah, definitely, Um so yeah
Speaker 1: they If you want to learn more about it, I
Speaker 1: do recommend listening to that podcast. It's you know, you'll
Speaker 1: have to dig back in the archives a little bit
Speaker 1: to fink it's from February. Yeah, it's been quite a bit,
Speaker 1: but shorter podcasts and yeah, that was a group that
Speaker 1: was back when we would we would or ten minute podcasts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but um, yeah, if you want to learn more about it,
Speaker 1: I would recommend listening to that podcast, and if you
Speaker 1: haven't already, you should subscribe to it because it's a
Speaker 1: good show. Yeah, definitely. So they also covered some some
Speaker 1: great classical music, um topics that I had never really
Speaker 1: explored before. So I learned quite a bit from that show,
Speaker 1: like classical, like in all the way back to the sixties. Yeah,
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