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Speaker 1: here we go Tuesday show. Welcome to One Bill's Drive.

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Speaker 1: That's where we are, John Murphy alongside Joe Bascalia, sports

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Speaker 1: director at w KBW TV Channel seven, Buffalo. Good afternoon, Joe,

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Speaker 1: Hey John, We're glad to be back. Had to have

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Speaker 1: you back. Joe is here in place of Steve Tasker,

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Speaker 1: who returns to the show on Thursday. We'll do our

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Speaker 1: show Thursday from from Chicago. Steve and myself and a

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Speaker 1: couple of other special gifts from Chicago. Steve is at

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Speaker 1: the CBS meetings in New York City for these last

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Speaker 1: and we're happy to have Joe with us here. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's always fun getting back into the sun all of

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Speaker 1: radio and just kind of just kind of talking as

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Speaker 1: long as you want. Yep, that's a great idea. Yep.

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Speaker 1: I've gone through the radio thing. Yes, it is, it's good.

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Speaker 1: I highly recommend. I'm glad you're here. We are still

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Speaker 1: we're not much different as far as information than where

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Speaker 1: that's the way the Bills wanted it, and I think

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Speaker 1: I don't know how long they keep it going, though, Joe,

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, my senses, at some point this week. Now,

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Speaker 1: my senses, you would want to have your starting quarterback,

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Speaker 1: whoever it is, begin to take first team reps any

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Speaker 1: the Bill still don't have a starting quarterback name for

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Speaker 1: the other day. Ten people, places, and things that will

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Speaker 1: define the NFL in twenty eighteen. Connor Or from si

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Speaker 1: at two. So a lot on the table, and the

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Speaker 1: Bills are off today, no practice today for the team.

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Speaker 1: They're back tomorrow for a quick morning workout and then

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Speaker 1: leave for Chicago in the game on Thursday. Of course,

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Speaker 1: that game right here on WGR Sports Radio five fifty

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo, and it's on TV as well. Let's hear

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Speaker 1: from you, though, what do you think are the Bills

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Speaker 1: Thursday in Chicago? What would you think of that? Eighth

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Speaker 1: of the preseason. Trevor on the line from Miami. Trevor,

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Speaker 1: how you guys doing I'm curious to get your take

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Speaker 1: on that whole concept of is he not naming a

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Speaker 1: starter because of a competitive advantage, just because it seems

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Speaker 1: to me that if you name either Peterman or Allan,

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Speaker 1: I don't see it as a huge change either way.

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Speaker 1: They're both young, both, you know, inexperienced. It's not like

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Speaker 1: one is extremely mobile and one doesn't move. It's not,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's no massive differences except you know, potentially

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Speaker 1: arm strength, right, and how would that even play into

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Speaker 1: a competitive advantage. I just don't it seems like it's

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Speaker 1: being taken a bit too far, you know, Trevor, that's

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Speaker 1: a good question. I mean what Joe says. I do

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Speaker 1: think there's a pretty big difference though, and I think

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Speaker 1: that was on displaying this past Sunday afternoon here. I

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Speaker 1: think the bill's opponents Baltimore could look at the tape

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Speaker 1: from Sunday and say, look at what we might be

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Speaker 1: able to do against Josh Allen, look at what Nathan

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Speaker 1: Peterman would not allow us to do. And we don't

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Speaker 1: have to, you know, we don't have to worry about

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Speaker 1: this these kinds of plays with Nathan Peterman, but we

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Speaker 1: might have to with Josh Allen. Joe, I disagree with Trevor.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a pretty significant difference between their skill

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Speaker 1: sets and what they're capable of doing, and the offense

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Speaker 1: are capable of running well. Stylistically, how a team would

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Speaker 1: defend them are I think a little bit different. So

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Speaker 1: for Josh Allen, if if I were the Ravens and

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Speaker 1: I knew Josh Allen was starting, I would say, We're

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Speaker 1: going to send everything we've got at this kid and

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Speaker 1: make him prove that he can deal with it, and

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Speaker 1: make him prove that the speed of the game is

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Speaker 1: not an issue for him as it was against the

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals. If it's Peterman, I'm probably more inclined to

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Speaker 1: try and create more turnovers by having guys in coverage

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Speaker 1: and and being having a couple of guys in a

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Speaker 1: couple of different spots. There's while you can get to

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Speaker 1: Peterman and you can make him a little bit nervous

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Speaker 1: in the pocket, He's shown a lot better of an

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Speaker 1: ability to deal with it in this preseason, which from

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Speaker 1: a stylistic perspective, that's that's the only thing that changes.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I also do kind of agree that

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Speaker 1: it's overblown. The competitive advantage point because the Ravens know,

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Speaker 1: they have a good idea what's happening. And guess what

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Speaker 1: if it's Josh Allen and they know an hour before

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Speaker 1: the game, they'll go, Okay, here's what we're doing for

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen an hour before the game. Okay, here's what

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Speaker 1: we're doing for Nathan Peterman. It doesn't It doesn't make

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Speaker 1: a ton of difference whether or not you announce it, right.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that, um, and I think the Ravens

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Speaker 1: are more than capable defensively. But I do think there's

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Speaker 1: such a difference in the style of play, as you

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Speaker 1: point out stylistically, between Josh Allen and Nathan Peterman, that

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Speaker 1: it would make a difference. I think it would make

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Speaker 1: a difference in how the game is played out. Michael

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Speaker 1: on the line from Marilla. Go ahead, Michael, you're on

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Speaker 1: the air, Like, do you understand you work? Hello, Michael,

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Speaker 1: are you talking to us? I think I might be

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Speaker 1: taking a work call, Michael, unbelievable. He's on the phone

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Speaker 1: with somebody else. Randy on the line from Buffalo, Hello, Randy, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I just want to talk about Tremaine White. How you

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Speaker 1: know he's They have our time on you know with

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver. Yeah, he's had issues with AJ Green.

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Speaker 1: AJ Green is a is a premier receiver. But I

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Speaker 1: would agree with that He's had a couple of matchup

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Speaker 1: AJ Green, and Green's got the better room. Yeah. AJ Green,

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Speaker 1: I mean his mix of length and athleticism is what

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Speaker 1: is going to give Tredavious White trouble because Tredavius is

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Speaker 1: a little bit shorter, and we see on the on

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Speaker 1: the play here he hits him right in this slant

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Speaker 1: ahead of him, but he's just a little bit shorter.

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Speaker 1: And because of that length and how quickly he gets

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Speaker 1: in and out of his breaks AJ Green. Now, it's

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Speaker 1: just it makes for such a disadvantage really for any

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Speaker 1: cornerback because of how swiftly he moves. And then the

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Speaker 1: catch radius because he doesn't catch it with his body.

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Speaker 1: I mean he can snare it out of the air

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Speaker 1: really a huge a huge amount around him. So I

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Speaker 1: understand why why there might be caused for some concern there,

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Speaker 1: But Tredavious White against most others in the NFL, has

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Speaker 1: looked really really good. AJ Green might just have his number.

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Speaker 1: I mean that touchdown pass, what we just saw that

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Speaker 1: touchdown pass was a perfect example of everything AJ Green

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Speaker 1: is just breaks him off right in the route and

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Speaker 1: then he's got the length to go up and get

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Speaker 1: it where Andy Dalton puts it in his spot. Andy

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Speaker 1: Dalton probably could have put it in a better spot,

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Speaker 1: but AJ Green, to me, was just a little bit

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Speaker 1: too good on that and Turnavius probably could have had

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Speaker 1: better technique on that play. Let's be honest, Joe watching

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Speaker 1: that game Sunday, and it occurred to me again when

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Speaker 1: I rewatched the games Sunday night. Um, Turnavius moved around

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Speaker 1: with AJ Green the entire night. He wasn't playing left

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Speaker 1: and right. That's right. I noticed the same thing he was.

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Speaker 1: And that is a sign of things to come because

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Speaker 1: and I know we're going to touch on the cornerback

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Speaker 1: situation segment as we kind of go, but there's a

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Speaker 1: reason for that, and that reason is worrisome to me. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll get to that when we return. Joe Boality is here,

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Speaker 1: Deep Tasker off today, John Murphy here where at One

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Speaker 1: Bill's Live presented by Kalaida Health from One Bill's Drive.

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Speaker 1: And this is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome Back, One goes Live.

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Speaker 1: John Murphy and Joe's Gallius here for Steve Taskers. Steve

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Speaker 1: Returns took the show on Thursday. We'll be doing a

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Speaker 1: show Thursday live from Chicago Towel noon to three pm.

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Speaker 1: Joe and I talking about the quarterbacks. Obviously, we want

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Speaker 1: to hear from you on that eight oh three five

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Speaker 1: two five fifty. Any chance at all that Thursday Nights

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Speaker 1: starter is also Sunday, September Night starter. I don't think so,

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Speaker 1: maybe you do. I also want to talk about corners.

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Speaker 1: When we got into it at the end of the

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Speaker 1: Sundays last Sunday's game against the Bengals, the Turnavius White

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Speaker 1: who normally played left right with last year's corners E J. Gaines.

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Speaker 1: Primarily that was following aj Green around. You know, we

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Speaker 1: lined up with them either side of the former Glad

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Speaker 1: you know too. Oh thank you? What did you make

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Speaker 1: of that? What did you think about that? I think

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Speaker 1: that is a sign of things to come when there

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Speaker 1: is an overwhelming receiver on the opposite side. Now, we

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Speaker 1: probably won't see it against the Ravens. I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's anyone on the Ravens that ready stands out. But

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Speaker 1: when the Bills host the Chargers, I would be hard

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Speaker 1: pressed to think that Tredavious White won't be on Keenan

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Speaker 1: Allen every single snap. And I think it's just a

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Speaker 1: matter of self preservation for the Bills because the reason

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Speaker 1: why they have to do that is because the depth

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Speaker 1: at corner is quite worrisome. And I'm not even saying

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Speaker 1: just past the starting guys. They don't even have another

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Speaker 1: starting cornerback locked up right now. They thought they had

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Speaker 1: it when they signed Vante Davis. He's been somewhat of

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Speaker 1: a disappointment. He's been being been pushed by Philip Gaines,

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Speaker 1: who's been a journeyman player for out his career even

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Speaker 1: though he was a third round pick. The situation there

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Speaker 1: is not good right now, and they're going to have

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Speaker 1: to do some things to cover up that player, and

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Speaker 1: one of those will likely be to have TuS White

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Speaker 1: shadow a really, really good receiver if the opponent opposing

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Speaker 1: team has it interesting. Tredevius talked yesterday in the locker

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Speaker 1: room after practice about his game against the Bengals. An

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Speaker 1: earlier caller pointed out how much trouble he had with

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Speaker 1: AJ Green. And here's what tradevious White said about his

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Speaker 1: performance to get Cincinnati on Sunday and learn from that,

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Speaker 1: and it was good to you know, get a pie

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Speaker 1: season game against one of the top five receivers in

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Speaker 1: the game. So I can always just learn and continue

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Speaker 1: to get better. So you know, I can like there's

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Speaker 1: a learning experience, like I said, but uh, I'm guarantee

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Speaker 1: you win more than I lose. So that's what it's

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Speaker 1: all about. Issue that touchdown player inside. No. I initially

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Speaker 1: I lined up outside, but I got too greed and

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Speaker 1: trying to be old aggressive, and you know he was

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Speaker 1: able to get back outside of me. So it's just

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Speaker 1: something that you know that you know, I took and

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Speaker 1: I mean it won't it won't happen again. So that's

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Speaker 1: what it's about, you know, just trying to limit this.

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Speaker 1: The mistakes can't concern at all. After last NAS can't

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Speaker 1: look at the film and it concerning all we were professional,

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Speaker 1: So you know, it's just it's about us, you know,

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Speaker 1: as as fars. You know, just it's just the pride,

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Speaker 1: you just being competitis and to get come out and

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Speaker 1: show have a showing like that is it's not what

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Speaker 1: we want. So you know, as individual players, I know

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Speaker 1: it's is something that's concerning, but it is you know

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Speaker 1: you can live and find another day. You can go

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Speaker 1: out and you know you got two weeks to get

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Speaker 1: run for the real for the real thing, so you

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Speaker 1: know we got time to sort of get those Knights

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Speaker 1: directed and come back strong. Tredevious White in the Buffalo

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Speaker 1: must be a year and a half old by now, Tredevious,

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Speaker 1: is there any concern the son? Of course there's concerned.

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Speaker 1: He made a good point about the touchdown the ag greenhown.

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Speaker 1: You can see it. Um Tredavius had inside safety help

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Speaker 1: ready for AJ Green to make that cut out. And

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Speaker 1: that's where he got himself into trouble. And he doesn't

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Speaker 1: this ball probably could have been out more and if

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Speaker 1: Tredevius White was a little bit quicker, that could have

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Speaker 1: been a bad pass right there. So so I mean

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Speaker 1: good play by A. J. Green to snag it and

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Speaker 1: to throw and to bring in that catch, But that

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Speaker 1: Tradevius for having the classic cornerback temperament, I think though, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the problem and address it head on and go right

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Speaker 1: back to work. I give him a lot of credit. Yeah,

644
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Speaker 1: some guys are not made that way. Some guys let

645
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Speaker 1: things linger. One guy who was really good at not

646
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: letting it linger was Stefan Gilmore. He was just great.

647
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Speaker 1: He's he's basically forgot what happened the next play, right,

648
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Speaker 1: But I think I think last year Tredevius did over reacts. Yes,

649
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Speaker 1: Andrew Davis has done a better job of where he

650
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: pockets these things, but then he serves it as motivation

651
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Speaker 1: for the next thing. And that's what kind of pupils him,

652
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: as opposed to Gilmour, who's just so baseline even with

653
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Speaker 1: the way he talks. Yeah, Vonte Davis the other corner.

654
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Speaker 1: He spoke with the media yesterday. He's had an interesting

655
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Speaker 1: preseason with some ups and some pretty notable downs. Vonte

656
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Speaker 1: Davis talked about his performance. He was asked if his

657
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Speaker 1: performance this preseason is up to his standards. Here's what

658
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: he said. Definitely, for sure, practicing Sewan flashes of you know,

659
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Speaker 1: being myself. But I'm just working to be you know,

660
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Speaker 1: consistently playing at a high level. You know, let's just

661
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: take time, consistently working in and out. But He'll get

662
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Speaker 1: less talked to you since the last less came to

663
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Speaker 1: you know, when he looked at the film. What happened

664
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Speaker 1: on that opening play with with such down the ross,

665
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Speaker 1: I mean it was um, you know it was it

666
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Speaker 1: was um something I could have correct on my part.

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Speaker 1: You know, a guy likes um speed guy like that,

668
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Speaker 1: you know I should have you know, expect him. He

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Speaker 1: ran a double move and it was just something, Um,

670
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Speaker 1: I had to play better on my part and he

671
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: kind of got sorry. They made the correction on the

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Speaker 1: play in the end zone a little bit later. It wasn't.

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Speaker 1: John obviously on that play kind of described what when

674
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Speaker 1: into that playing the ends only broke up? Oh well,

675
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just playing playing the ball when

676
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Speaker 1: it's in there and making a play on the ball,

677
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Speaker 1: finishing on the ball defensively overall. I mean, just you know,

678
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Speaker 1: the you guys probably feel so comfortable. You'll say, did

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Speaker 1: you did opening opening a couple of drives? Oh? I mean,

680
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Speaker 1: of course that of course. Of course. Now you know,

681
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: we got half standards for myself, ourself, and you know,

682
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Speaker 1: we just want to you know, continue to get better.

683
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Speaker 1: We used that as as as a way to learn

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Speaker 1: and you know, get better. I mean we initially you know,

685
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Speaker 1: they ain't the last time, you know, something gonna happen.

686
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Speaker 1: It's just how you the masset as a group and

687
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Speaker 1: how we move forward, you know, after it happens. By

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Speaker 1: Take Davids talking about his performance and most notably the

689
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Speaker 1: first play from scrimmage Joe for the Bengals. Was it

690
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: fifty seven yardists to John Ross touchdown? Play? Take you

691
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Speaker 1: said it and they said it? Again yesterday about a

692
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Speaker 1: double move. I didn't see that as much as as he.

693
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Speaker 1: I guess it's a double move, but it sort of

694
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Speaker 1: just like he gave him at a little shimmy a

695
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Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, not a classic double move. Now, this

696
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Speaker 1: is this is the thing that worried me about Vonte

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Speaker 1: Davis coming here. But I thought maybe he was going

698
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Speaker 1: to have the ability to overcome it. He hasn't done

699
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Speaker 1: a lot of work in the zone. Here's the here's

700
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Speaker 1: the end zone. Yeah, he gave like a double move

701
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: and that's what that's what tricked him up. And now

702
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Speaker 1: he just doesn't because of all the injuries, maybe the age,

703
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the same juice as he used to

704
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Speaker 1: to catch up and to I guess overcome little mistakes

705
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Speaker 1: that he made. And if he bites a little bit,

706
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Speaker 1: he's toast. Which is what we saw there, and that

707
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Speaker 1: that is the concerning part about him and his overall

708
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Speaker 1: transition to his own defense. He has to be a

709
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Speaker 1: little bit a little bit more reactive and instinctive with that,

710
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Speaker 1: whereas with with the man coverage, it's more about just

711
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Speaker 1: sticking on the guy and going with him wherever the

712
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Speaker 1: heck he goes, and I think it's been a rougher

713
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Speaker 1: transition for him than I then he probably anticipated, and

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Speaker 1: I think the Bills probably anticipated. Mon Kay mentioned and

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Speaker 1: answer to a question that of course they realized they

716
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Speaker 1: did not played all that well first team defense secondary

717
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Speaker 1: against the Bengals, and Mike Hyde talked about that as well.

718
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Speaker 1: Mike Hide in the locker room yesterday talked about how

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Speaker 1: the inconsistency's haunted the Buffalo defense in Sunday's loss. We've

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Speaker 1: gone out there, we made some good plays, but at

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Speaker 1: the same time we give us some big plays. I

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Speaker 1: mean as a as a defense, that's the one of

723
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Speaker 1: the worst things you can be is inconsistent, because you know,

724
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Speaker 1: every Sunday is a new challenge with um. You know,

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Speaker 1: the guys in this league, in the in the offensive coordinators,

726
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Speaker 1: and as much film as we watch, it's it's a

727
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Speaker 1: huge challenge. So, UM, I guess the number one thing

728
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Speaker 1: is trying to, you know, become consistent. And I think

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Speaker 1: it starts with not beating ourself. I just gotta talking

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Speaker 1: to somebody else, is you know a lot of stuff

731
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Speaker 1: that we've messed up on in the game. Just beating ourselves.

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Speaker 1: We do it every day in practice, whether it was

733
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Speaker 1: technique or mental or you know, whatever it's, it's it's

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Speaker 1: easily fixed. And you know, at the same time that's

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Speaker 1: what eat you up because it's it's you know, we're

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Speaker 1: beating ourselves, but you know, watching film and going out

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Speaker 1: on the practice field and going over the corrections making

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Speaker 1: easy to be fixed. Of a wake up call. Um hmm.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to answer that. I think that, yes,

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Speaker 1: it is the preseason, but at the same time, you

741
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Speaker 1: want to go out there every opportunity to get you know,

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Speaker 1: whether it's practice, Um, you want to go out there

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Speaker 1: and showcase what you can do. Um. So I wouldn't say,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's uh, you know, our backs against the

745
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: wall right now and and you know panic mode. Um,

746
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Speaker 1: it's nothing like that. We just understand that we have

747
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Speaker 1: a lot a long way to go to get to

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Speaker 1: the defense we want to be and the team we

749
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Speaker 1: want to be, and um, that's the number one thing.

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Speaker 1: You gotta get a wake up call. Now. It's a

751
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: time to get it right right when it doesn't really

752
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: hurt you, it doesn't affect you. But I think it

753
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: was an attention getting performance by the Buffalo defense, not

754
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Speaker 1: through you or me or anybody on the outset. But

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Speaker 1: for them to say, hey, that's not us, that's what

756
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: we want to be. Yeah, that their secondary isn't infallible

757
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: if they just kind of go through the motions. That

758
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Speaker 1: that's the most important thing that I think they have

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00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: to take away from that, because they know that they

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00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: have talent. I mean, three of their four starters are

761
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: locked in. They were really good starters last year in

762
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Speaker 1: Trodevious White, Micah Hyde, and Jordan Ployer, and so now

763
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Speaker 1: it's just a matter of going back and doing the

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Speaker 1: same things that they did last year, not getting complacent.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a huge thing that that Sean McDermott echoes

766
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Speaker 1: to his entire roster to avoid the complacency side, notote

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00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: Micah Hides the best. I mean, that guy will give

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Speaker 1: you a thoughtful quote, Oh every single time you ask

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Speaker 1: him a question, And even when someone asked him a question,

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Speaker 1: it just wasn't automatically going to cliche. It was huh, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to answer that. Yeah. It's like

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Speaker 1: it's like, man, I wish more guys were like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's the best. Yeah, you're right, what do you think

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Defense? Buffalo offense. What's the plan for a quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Give us a call eight oh three h five fifty

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Speaker 1: and toll free one eight eight eight five fifty two

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Speaker 1: five fifty. Leo on the line from Buffalo. Leo, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Hey, good, afternoon, guys. How are

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Speaker 1: you doing? Okay? Good? Thanks good. It's a Lee from Rochester. Actually, oh,

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00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: says Leo. Here Leo from Buffalo. But you're Lee and Rochester.

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Speaker 1: Sorry anyway, I have a question for you considering that

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Speaker 1: Brian Gable's background, especially you know, for Zeppa when he

783
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Speaker 1: was within New England. UM, and in no way am

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Speaker 1: I comparing Nate Peterman to Tom Brady. So I'll just

785
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Speaker 1: want to say that what Tom Brady also doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a deep ball frame I mean, so his his his

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Speaker 1: success is short to intermediate, I mean, which is the

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Speaker 1: same like we have with Nate Peterman. So if it

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Speaker 1: works for them and the success they have, why can't

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Speaker 1: it work with Nate Peterman. I disagree with your assessment

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Speaker 1: of Nathan Peterman a little bit. I actually think he

792
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: has been throwing the ball down the field a bit

793
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Speaker 1: more and where he struggles is when he's throwing to

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Speaker 1: the boundary on those short to intermediate throws. So that's

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Speaker 1: that's the area that Tom Brady has absolutely mastered and

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Speaker 1: doing and having the arm strength to get those balls

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Speaker 1: into tight spots, whereas Nathan Peterman has shown the proclivity

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Speaker 1: to not do those things and to have those passes

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Speaker 1: broken up because he can't put enough zip on the ball.

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Speaker 1: So I see, I see a pretty clear difference between

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Speaker 1: the two guys there. Thanks Lean, Thanks for calling your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on the Bills quarterbacks. Should the starter on September

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00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: ninth play Thursday night in Chicago? I don't think so,

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00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: but maybe you do. Give us a call eight oh

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Speaker 1: three fifty and toll free one eight eight eight five

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Speaker 1: fifty two five fifty. Where are they going with quarterbacks?

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Speaker 1: We'll get your thoughts on that when we return One

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Speaker 1: Does Live presented by Kalada Health from One Does Drive

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Speaker 1: on Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back to One Goes five,

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Speaker 1: John Urfy, Joe uscalis here. We're here until three with

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Speaker 1: some good guests coming up in the next few hours.

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Speaker 1: Here for Orchard Park. Steve Tasker returns to the show

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. Hey, the Buffalo Bills are announcing a new

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Speaker 1: flag football grant opportunity. If I have a flag football league,

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Speaker 1: you want to know this. The Bills Foundation offering ten

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars in NFL flag football grants to Western New

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Speaker 1: York nonprofit organizations to start a new flag football program

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Speaker 1: this fall or next spring. The Bills Foundation will aboard

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Speaker 1: five hundred dollars grants to support up to twenty new

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Speaker 1: NFL flag football leagues. NFL Flag Football powered by USA

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Speaker 1: ages five through seventeen. The Bills get involved. They've got grants.

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Speaker 1: They've got money up to a five hundred dollars grants

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Speaker 1: to support up to twenty new teams total of ten

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Speaker 1: dot com slash NFL Flag Money giving away from the

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Speaker 1: Bills Foundation for flag football grants. Talking about quarterbacks, how

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Speaker 1: to play them? This Thursday? Who to start on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: September Night, Give us a call eight oh three oh

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Speaker 1: five fifty and toll free one eight eight eight five

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Speaker 1: fifty two five fifty. Dennis on the line from Indiana. Hello, Dennis,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Thank you very much. A long

833
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: time Bills fan. I was in a standsman Cookie Guillifers. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's all time ago, Dennis. That's a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: But uh and I died throwing four Super Bowl parties

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Speaker 1: on the four losses. But here's if we're planning for

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Speaker 1: the future, we're trying to rebuild a team. We had

838
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Speaker 1: a pretty good season last year, I feel. But my

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Speaker 1: question is not who's going to start in twenty nineteen

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Speaker 1: or twenty eighteen, rather as the quarterback, but who would

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Speaker 1: you predict would be opening day quarterback on twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: as we plan for the future, And is that quarterback

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Speaker 1: on today's roster? Yeah, well I think it'd be Josh Allen. Well,

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Speaker 1: they would hope it's Josh Allen. If it's not, then

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Speaker 1: they're in pretty big do do Yeah? Who do you predict? Dennis?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I've watched the preseason games, and well,

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Speaker 1: the guy that people least predict, the guy who had

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Speaker 1: the four interceptions in his first half to play Frettyman.

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Speaker 1: I'd like the way he's played in the preseason. I'm

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Speaker 1: just not sure that Josh Allen's ready. I will tell

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Speaker 1: you you know that you'd be ready by twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. He didn't look ready to me right now.

853
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: You didn't ask about right now, you asked about twenty twenty.

854
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: Y know, I know. I hope he's ready too. I mean,

855
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: I hope he's ready too. But gosh, what I saw.

856
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: What I saw it was our third stringer throw really

857
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: quick out of the pocket to complete those short, shorter passes.

858
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: And uh, I just saw Josh Allen taking too much time.

859
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm hoping it's not too fast for him.

860
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: I mean he's got a bullet arm. I mean I can, yeah,

861
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: and it's two years out. I think he'd be the guy.

862
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: I think that's the plan. Carl and Clarence go ahead, Carl,

863
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: you're on, you're on the air with us. Hey, guys,

864
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: how you doing perfect? To John Hare, thank you. I

865
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: appreciate it, man, Ah kudos. No, He've always been great

866
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: to appreciate it. Got a come on the question. I

867
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: don't think Peter men should play at all. Let Josh

868
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: and mc karen play at half each. And my question is, Wow,

869
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: hit that Josh stick in the end zone that certainly

870
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: said welcome to the NFL. And what surprised me? I

871
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: guess maybe not, but he said that he was surprise

872
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: that I mean, he was going so fast. I mean,

873
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: and my question is don't they practice full speed in

874
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: practice or not, because Josh Josh seemed surprised that the

875
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: game was Yeah, they do, and Joe once again on

876
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: this two and I want to hear from they do

877
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: practice full speed, but there is really a difference. There's

878
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: a different caliber play, a different intensity, and a different

879
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: speed in a preseason game, and you know what it's

880
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: different in regular season. Two. Yeah, they do, and they

881
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: don't practice at full speed. They do in the fact

882
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: that when the cornerbacks and safeties and linebackers are all

883
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: are going full speed. That's all part of it. But

884
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: what isn't a part of practice that is a part

885
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: of regular season games is the fear that you're going

886
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 1: to get hit really hard to buy a defensive lineman

887
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: who's trying to take you down. And those defensive linemen

888
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: in practice are taught to get in the backfield and

889
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: then pull up and there's no threat of that, so

890
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: you're able to maneuver yourself a little bit more than

891
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: you would in a regular season game. So I think

892
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: that might be part of the speed of the game

893
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: that he's talking about, and really what he kind of

894
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 1: has to adjust to in terms of getting the ball

895
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: out of his hand. A lot quicker, Joe, I thought

896
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: a lot you were here yesterday with us. I thought

897
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: a lot overnight about great co Sell's analysis of Josh Allen.

898
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: Went back and looked at more video last night and

899
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: think and saw what he was talking about. I think

900
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: he's right, you know, And I think if you're looking

901
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: for what happened to Josh Allen Sunday against the Bengals,

902
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 1: go back and listen to that. It's available on our

903
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: website at Buffalo Bills dot com. But go back and

904
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: look at it. I think that's kind of maybe a

905
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: really good explanation of what went on. Yeah, and Greg

906
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: is always a great Leston no matter when you have

907
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: him on, no matter what the topic. I mean, that

908
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: guy is just a wealth of information and he studies

909
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: so much and that's what I respect so much about him.

910
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: And and when he sits there and tells you, hey,

911
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: look the things that Josh Allen were doing that in

912
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: that Cleveland or in that Cincinnati game, they are not

913
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: the things that you want from your from your rookie

914
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: quarterback to be doing when his depth of drops are

915
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: not matching up with the routes that are being run

916
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: and that leading potentially to sacks and some indecision. Now,

917
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: he did say that it wasn't as big of a

918
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: problem against the Cleveland Browns, but that was also going

919
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: against the Cleveland Browns second team defense. So I think

920
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: for what Allen has to work on, he needs those reps.

921
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: And the one thing about the last call that we

922
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: took that I'll agree with, I don't know that I

923
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: would be totally out of out of the idea of

924
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: Josh Allen taking a whole half and in this fourth

925
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: preseason game, because this is the last time that you're

926
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: going to see him or get him reps live reps

927
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: before he gets into action in the starting lineup. So

928
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think think i'd be out on that.

929
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: I think i'd I'd be very umple with that. Yeah,

930
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: all right to break care When we come back, we

931
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: got a big hour coming up. We're gonna talk with

932
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 1: Michael Lopez, NFL's new director of Analytics and Data, talk

933
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: about what the league is doing to advance the use

934
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: of technology. Also at one thirty, Charles Robinson of Yahoo

935
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: dot com. We'll talk to us about Khalil Mack in

936
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: a variety of issues around the NFL. All of that

937
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: coming up in the next hour. John Murphy with Jebascalia.

938
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: It's One Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive and this

939
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: is Buffalo Bills Radio Bills Radio Network Stories Update. It

940
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: is an off day four Bills players in the middle

941
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: of a short week. The players return tomorrow for one

942
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: more light practice session before they leave. They play preseason

943
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: game number four in Chicago Thursday night. Head coach Sean

944
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: McDermott not ready to say yet what his plans for

945
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: the quarterback position are like Yesterday, McDermott said there were

946
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: no further developments at quarterbacks since Sunday game against the Bengals.

947
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: Nowhere down the plans on Thursday in Chicago. Nowhere on

948
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback for the season opener in Baltimore in

949
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: twelve days. A. J. McCarron was throwing during yesterday's late

950
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: afternoon practice. Mcgarrett said he should be ready to go

951
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: preseason finale two days away. The Bills that Soldier Field

952
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: to play the Chicago Bears Thursday night, eight o'clock kickoff

953
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: We've got the game right here on a flagship in Buffalo,

954
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 1: WGR Sports Radio five fifty. Odell Beckham Junior late yesterday

955
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 1: agreed to a five year extension with the Giants, making

956
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: him the highest paid wide receiver in football. Three time

957
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 1: Pro Bowler can get a maximum of ninety five million

958
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: dollars over the course of the deal. Over the first

959
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: three years, will be paid sixty million dollars guaranteed an

960
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: average of twenty million a year over that turn. The

961
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 1: deal eclips his Steelers wide out Antonio Brown seventeen million

962
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: dollars per year average. Jaguars receiver Marquis Lee's gonna miss

963
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: the entire season with the knee injury suffered Saturday night.

964
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: That according to head coach Doug Marrone. Maron did not

965
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: go into specifics about the severity, but said Lee will

966
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: go on injured reserve and I'll have surgery in the

967
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: near future. Injured in the quarter of the Jaguars win

968
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: over Atlanta on Saturday night. Pac Man Jones signs on

969
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: with the Broncos. He's practiced yesterday for the first time.

970
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: Adam Jones signed a one year deal Sunday practice with

971
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: the team for the first time. After three preseason games,

972
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: Broncos believe they needed more depth at cornerback and at returner.

973
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: Trade in the NFL, Tennessee acquired linebacker Kamale Korea, Korea

974
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: from the Ravens in exchange for an undisclosed draft pick

975
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: second round pick in twenty sixteen. Korea looms as a

976
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: known commodity to the Texans due to the presence of

977
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator Dean P's, the ex Ravens defensive coach and

978
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: Menno Genoble announced his retirement from the NBA yesterday after

979
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: sixteen seasons. That's the update from One Bill's Drive. John

980
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: Murphy along with Joe Bascalia in for the vacation in

981
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker. We're here until three o'clock this afternoon. Well,

982
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: it's he's off. It's a vacation. He's got CBS duties

983
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: to do. I'll back off to you. I'll hold my

984
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: fire until Thursday when he's back and cut loose with

985
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: all kinds of Bob Kraft jokes. Joining this right now

986
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: on the subway fresh take outline. A man who's got

987
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: a brand new job of the National Football League deals

988
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 1: with data and analytics. He's the new director of Data

989
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: and Analytics for the NFL. Former professor of statistics at

990
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: Skidmore College, Michael Lopez on the line with us. Michael,

991
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: it is John Murphy and Job Scott here in Buffalo.

992
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for joining us. Congratulations on the job.

993
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: Thanks John and Joe. Thanks for having me on. You

994
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: have followed and written about the NFL for a long time.

995
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: To get a chance to work with the league in

996
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: your area of expertise, I would imagine that that's pretty

997
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: satisfying for you. Sure. Yeah. I mean I think I've

998
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: I've always sort of had in the back of my

999
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: mind team organization, and it sort of seemed like a

1000
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: great opportunity to jump out. Is the NFL need a

1001
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: boost in data analysis and analytics or is the league

1002
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: pretty much on the cutting edge? How do you see

1003
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: it from from now that you're part of the league, Michael, Well,

1004
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, certainly, in terms of some of

1005
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: the more public facing work, you know, the baseball has

1006
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: sort of set the standard for how teams consider used data.

1007
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: But I think going back further, I mean, I think

1008
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: football coaches have always been using data. They maybe just

1009
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: didn't really call it analytics. You know, if you think

1010
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: back to scouting reports that coaches had in the sixties

1011
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: and seventies, they were going over trends. They were trying

1012
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: to look a look at sort of game film to

1013
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: identify when teams we're going to run, what plays, and

1014
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: things like that. So I think the league has always

1015
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 1: been using information. Whether or not they called the analytics,

1016
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: and whether or not the public exactly picked up on

1017
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: that is sort of a different story. I think the

1018
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: big thing now is that we have this sort of

1019
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: immense amount of data that's coming in that teams have

1020
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: access to, and I think teams are starting to recognize

1021
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 1: that there's sort of a whole other level of information

1022
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: that they can get from some of the stuffy It's

1023
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: it's interesting you brought up baseball because a lot of

1024
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: the I think the stigma that changed with it is

1025
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: that for years and years it was guys, scouts, general

1026
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: managers going on their gut rather than opposed to the

1027
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: moneyball era of Billy Bean and using the stats to

1028
00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 1: do all the scouting and the predictive analysis. How how

1029
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: far has the NFL come from, you know, being that

1030
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: that go with your gut type too into where they

1031
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: are now using all of those analytics to try and

1032
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: get an edge. Sure, it's a tough question to answer. UM.

1033
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: And one of the tricky things is that is that

1034
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: most teams that kind of find a related edge like that, UM,

1035
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of incentive to share that edge. UM.

1036
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: And so you know, whereas the sort of revolution in

1037
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: baseball was was finy public. Um. You know, you had

1038
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: the Moneyball book, you had the movie. UM, it's a

1039
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: little bit it's going to be a little bit more

1040
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: tricky to identify if and when that happens in the

1041
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: in the NFL, Michael, And and I'm interested in what

1042
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: you do from a league wide stance. I mean, we've

1043
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: known that some teams are further ahead in the use

1044
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: of data and analytics than others. But now that you're

1045
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: there as director of Data and analytics, are you doing

1046
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,959
Speaker 1: this for every team in the league? Do you share

1047
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: all your data? How is this going to work? NA?

1048
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm very I'm team exotic. I am I'm you know,

1049
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: I'm not ranking players, ranking team you know, I'm in

1050
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: football operations. And it was a very general goal it

1051
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: to make sure the game itself is as much as

1052
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: it possibly can be. UM. And so data can can

1053
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: can inform a lot of those decisions. Um, what can

1054
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: we use to make the sport better? Um? What are

1055
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: some of the internal questions that people have about the

1056
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: state of the game that we can use data for. Um?

1057
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: So I'm sort of more a general level as opposed

1058
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: to serve of working with any individual teams. The area

1059
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: of tracking players on the field, practice and in games. UM.

1060
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: We see it with the Buffalo Bills, they do it.

1061
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: I think most teams do it now. Many teams do

1062
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 1: it now? U. Are we just our teams just dipping

1063
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: their toes in the water or is there much more

1064
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: to be done as far as keeping track of the

1065
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: energy expended, the ground that's covered, the everything that has

1066
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: to do with the player on the field. Where are

1067
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: we with that? Do you think League? Why? Yeah, it's

1068
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: a it's a it's a good question. In terms of

1069
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: the games themselves, this will be the first year that

1070
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: the teams have access to player tracking data on all

1071
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: other teams, and so up until this year they've lost

1072
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: a couple of years they've had just basically their own information.

1073
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: So in terms of their own players and and sort

1074
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: of the coordinates and tracking their players, issue they sort

1075
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: of have access to other players, and so it'll sort

1076
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: of be interesting to see how teams start to use

1077
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: that in terms of their evaluation of players on other teams.

1078
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you see that as that kind of information

1079
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: is a potential competitive advantage if if used correctly and

1080
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: analyze correctly. Well, I think teams are are allowed to

1081
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 1: do what they want, um, and I think some will

1082
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: sort of kind value there and for others maybe initially

1083
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: that that that's not something they'll be using as often,

1084
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: but you know, I think it. Uh, you know, analytics

1085
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: is mostly just sort of a fancy word for information,

1086
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: and so I think you know that that information is

1087
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: there if teams think that it can help them. M

1088
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: that I certainly think that that would be a good

1089
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: idea to use it. And Michael, just give for the

1090
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: people who may not be initiating this. When you say

1091
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: player tracking data, what exactly kind of data do you get?

1092
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: And what are team's looking at there? Sure? So in

1093
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 1: each players shoulder pads there are two radio frequency ID chips,

1094
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: so in the left sholder pad and the right shoulder pad,

1095
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,919
Speaker 1: and um, I think it's ten frames per second. They

1096
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 1: you know, one of they are on the field, UM

1097
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: do that sort of sends a signal where we can

1098
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: sort of identify where the players are. UM in terms

1099
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: of just identifying where they are. That think that's one

1100
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: thing that you can use that information to see identify

1101
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: their speed, their acceleration, their deceleration. You can start to

1102
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: identify things like formations or play tendencies. And so that

1103
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: type of data is out there, UM and the issue

1104
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: is and it's not a huge issue, but it's it's

1105
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: not like sort of like old data sets where maybe

1106
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: you could open them up in Microsoft Excel. It takes

1107
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more took a little bit more horsepower

1108
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: to sort of look at this data. And so I

1109
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: think that's one of the tricks is that you know,

1110
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: with all that information, you have twenty two players in

1111
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: the fields and that many observations per second. You know,

1112
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: it's sort of a fairly rich data set and it

1113
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: can take a little bit of time to sort of

1114
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: organize and analyze well. With Michael Lopesi is the NFL's

1115
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: director of Data and Analytics. And before this, Michael, you

1116
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: were a professor of statistics It's get More College and

1117
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: a frequent writer about on the website. Five thirty eight

1118
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: and some others about NFL issues, including a note that

1119
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: got my attention from all about a year and a

1120
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: half ago. The Patriots are even sneakier than you think.

1121
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: And you looked at you looked at the quarterback sneak

1122
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: and how not just the Patriots. But it's a pretty

1123
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: effective play. The data shows, analytics show, right. Yeah, I

1124
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: think in general it's it's it's a play that has

1125
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: had fairly high success rates in terms of just looking

1126
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: at our teams getting first downs on them, and for

1127
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: various reasons some teams, maybe we're attending them more often

1128
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: than others. And I'm not sure if if that was

1129
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: sort of a data driven decision or if that was

1130
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 1: just some players or other factors, but it was certainly interesting.

1131
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: Sort of the wide gaps and the frequency with which

1132
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: teams used that play. The quarterbacks does not get much respect,

1133
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: does it, even though it probably should. Yeah, I mean it, Um,

1134
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's nothing most glorious play. Yeah, it's right exactly.

1135
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: You also did a recent uh post about firing head coaches.

1136
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: We've gone through a lot of head coaches here in Buffalo,

1137
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: and you did kind of a study about the NFL

1138
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: having an issue with maybe firing head coaches too quickly.

1139
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: Can you talk about that post? You remember writing that

1140
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: post a little while ago. Yeah, um, I mean that's

1141
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: that's that. The one of the tricky things about about

1142
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: analyzing all of sports data is that it's all observational,

1143
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: and so, you know, if we want to identify whether

1144
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: or not a cancer drug works, we would ideally be

1145
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: able to randomize the drug to one group and you know,

1146
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 1: they would receive the treatment, and then another group would

1147
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: receive a very similar type of drug, but there would

1148
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: be actually no medicine is and the benefit of having

1149
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: randomized data that you can sider of inser um you know,

1150
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: whether or not you know that treatment helps, you know,

1151
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 1: cure cancer or something like that. The problem with sports

1152
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: data is that of observational and so you know, in

1153
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: this example, you know, this is a sort of one

1154
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: of many examples in sports where what you end up

1155
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: with is you have the teams that have have fired

1156
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: their coaches are inherently different than the teams that I've

1157
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: aspired their coaches, and so it's really difficult to sort

1158
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: of assess whether or not that type of or that

1159
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: in this case, the treatment inspiring a coach. It's hard

1160
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: to assess whether or not that's a successful strategy, just

1161
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: given that those teams are so inherently different, and so

1162
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: when you account for some of the sort of other factors,

1163
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: it's sort of unclear whether or not that's a that's

1164
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: a useful strategy. But again, it's sort of like representative

1165
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: of a lot of other sports data where a lot

1166
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: of other factors are sort of involved, and it can

1167
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: be tricky to sort of to sort of look at,

1168
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: you know, without sort of accounting for some of those

1169
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: other factors. And my O, there's one more study you

1170
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: date in your pre NFL employment days, and it deals

1171
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: with kind of the randomness of victory um. You know,

1172
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: I think sometimes football fans get confused, and this is

1173
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: not college football, where you know, Oklahoma can beat up

1174
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: on some lesser light, you know, ninety nine out of

1175
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: one hundred times they play UM. In the NFL. It's

1176
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: it's a lot closer than that, isn't it. The distribution

1177
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: of talent, the the percentage of victories. It's a lot

1178
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: more random trying to figure out who wins in the

1179
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: NFL than it is in most other sports. I believe,

1180
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: what have you found about that. UM. Well, so I'm

1181
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: always sort of been fascinated by how sort of the

1182
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: leagues compared to one another. UM in sort of like

1183
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: the underlying characteristics of a sort of team talent within

1184
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: each league. I'll be honest, it's probably cost in terms

1185
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: of how I talk about their games when they go on, well,

1186
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: I want to hear about that. What do you tell

1187
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: your friends you're an idiot? Don't bet that way? Is that?

1188
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 1: I mean? But mostly I you know, I don't thought.

1189
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's not much there's it's it's hard

1190
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: to make an edge on on the on on Betty markets.

1191
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: You know. It's it's they're very they have a really

1192
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: good sense and how good each team is. Yeah, so

1193
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: to sort of make running one term is for the

1194
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: way persons is pretty much impossible. UM. In any case, Yeah,

1195
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: that's the ways of the leagues compare. I think it's

1196
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: something that's always exactinated to me and UM, I think

1197
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: in sort of as just sort of a fan of

1198
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: a sports in general. UM, North American sports are a

1199
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: particularly uh dominated by which teams would GB chips UM,

1200
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: and I think the waves with ease with which teams

1201
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: can win titles Um, it is greatly different within the

1202
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: different leagues. UM. And so you know in baseball, baseball

1203
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: and hockey, UM, the sort of teams are so closely

1204
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: matched to one another, you know, and it's not Um,

1205
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: I mean, the White Sox be the Yankees last night.

1206
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's not uncommon for the White Sox to

1207
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: be the Yankees. Um. It's a little bit more uncommon

1208
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: for the Nets to be the Warriors in the NBA. UM.

1209
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: And so sort of those those underlying differences between the

1210
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: teams in the leagues, UM, I think are something that's

1211
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: interested me. And I think you know, in this case,

1212
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: baseball and hockey stood out. It is sort of the

1213
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: two sports that, um, you know, a lot of I

1214
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm gonna call them random, but a

1215
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: lot of it's just due to chance that at the

1216
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: beginning of the game, one team competing others and it's

1217
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: not going to be all that surprising. Yeah, hey, Michael,

1218
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: what's a what is what's next for the NFL? Where

1219
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: can where can it grow from? What the position that

1220
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: you're in now? And what where would you like to

1221
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: see it go? Well, I mean I think that's um,

1222
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: that's a that's ah gosh, that's a hard question to answer,

1223
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: but I do think that, um, certainly, from my perspective,

1224
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: teams are just getting a lot of this information. You know,

1225
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier that they haven't had this this player

1226
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: tracking data for for years. Um, you know, basketball's had

1227
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: it for for several years. Baseball has had sort of

1228
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: versions of a lot of tracking information for a couple

1229
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: of years. Football teams are just getting it, and so

1230
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: I think hopefully, hopefully teams and programs and sort of fans, um,

1231
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: sort of over over time will be able to sort

1232
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: of appreciate some of the new features that this data

1233
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: can tell us about the game. Last question I have

1234
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: for you, Michael, And as we said, you left a

1235
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: job as a professor of stats. It's get more college

1236
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: to go to work for the NFL. What is your

1237
01:00:55,840 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: charge for the NFL? What do they want you to do? Uh? So,

1238
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: it's I mean it's it's a combination of internal and

1239
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: external working. I mean internally, it's just like it's not

1240
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: that crazy question. It's just like, you know, I think

1241
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,479
Speaker 1: we've lost him on the phones. Are you there Michael still?

1242
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry, Can you repeat that answer?

1243
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: We lost your signal there for a minute, sure, So

1244
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: I mean it's mostly just how can we use data

1245
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: to learn about the game? You know, what can what

1246
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: can data tell us? What can the player tracking data

1247
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: tell us about the game, What can have a Playboy

1248
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: play data tell us about the game? And what can

1249
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: we learn about you know, using that information, how can

1250
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: we make the game better? Um, it's a you know,

1251
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: it's a pretty general response, but you know, I only

1252
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: started it about a month ago, so it's a little

1253
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: bit tricky to know where everything's going to go. It

1254
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 1: sounds like you got the wide open door though. It's

1255
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: gonna be fun. Michael, thanks for in a few minutes

1256
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: with this year today. We appreciate it. Thanks Michael, Sure,

1257
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: thanks for having me on. Michael Lopez is the new

1258
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: NFL Director of Data and Analytics. He joined us on

1259
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: the subway fresh day, Hiline Subway. He eat fresh wide

1260
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: open door. He can look at a lot of different things, Joe,

1261
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: and especially in the area of play tracking, which the

1262
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: Bills do on a regular basis, games and practices especially.

1263
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure many other teams do as well. But it

1264
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 1: sounds like from listening to what Michael says that that

1265
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot more that can be done. You know

1266
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: that they do it to measure how much workload and

1267
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: how much you know, heart rate and stuff, and are

1268
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: we treating these players well in a physical sense. But

1269
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: there's more in terms of player evaluation opponent evaluation that

1270
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: could come from tracking players out. Yeah, they're Football has

1271
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,439
Speaker 1: very much lacked in that area of centralized evaluation, which

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Speaker 1: is why sites like Pro Football Focus have done so

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Speaker 1: well over the course of time, because it provides you

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Speaker 1: with something that you don't really see. You know, Soccer

1275
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: is almost the same way. They have match ratings for

1276
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: each one of the players, and that's a good barometer

1277
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Speaker 1: of how each individual player is performing. And that's the

1278
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: area I think NFL teams have had maybe some difficulty

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Speaker 1: in quantifying over the course of time, which is how

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Speaker 1: maybe something like this once he gets his feet wet

1281
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: and comfortable with it, and you know, doing all these

1282
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: player evaluations from a more statistical base thing and working

1283
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: those numbers in with a shoulder pad, barometers and everything

1284
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: along those lines. I think it's gonna be fascinating how

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Speaker 1: this thing evolves over right now as to oppose to

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Speaker 1: what it is two to three years from now, and

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Speaker 1: I think it'll be interesting to see how the information

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Speaker 1: is shared because, as we all know, these teams, this

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Speaker 1: one here, all of these teams are very you know,

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01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: close mouth when it comes to sharing information with the

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01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: other thirty one teams, they're very a lot of proprietary

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Speaker 1: information they don't want to share. But here you've gotten

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Speaker 1: Michael Lopez and his new setup in the league will

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Speaker 1: generate this data, share the data. But do teams use it?

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Speaker 1: Do they say, please don't do that, Please don't. We

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Speaker 1: don't need you to evaluate our players. Well, I guess

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Speaker 1: if it's just a database and people watch film as

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Speaker 1: it is, I don't know that it would really make

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Speaker 1: that much of a difference. It's not as though seeing

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01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: a seven point nine as as compared to a five

1301
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: point two on paper is going to make it go well,

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01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: we should really attack that. You're gonna see that on

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Speaker 1: the film one way or the other. Right, Yeah, very

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Speaker 1: interesting stuff. Thank you to Michael Lopez for joining us.

1305
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: Joe Viskalgi here for Steve Tasker talking about the bills.

1306
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: Obviously we're here until three o'clock talking about the quarterback

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Speaker 1: decision and what do you think so the quarterback or

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks who played Thursday. Should they be considered as potential

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01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: starters for September ninth? Give us a call, let us

1310
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: know what you think. Eight oh three five fifty toll

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Speaker 1: free from outside Buffalo one eight eight eight five fifty

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01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: two five fifty John calling from Rochester, Hid John, go ahead,

1313
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Speaker 1: you're on the air with us. Oh well, thanks a lot. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I was just curious. Seems like age is not in

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01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: the conversation at all anymore. I mean, watch the game

1316
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: on Sunday and then watch the game that AJ got hurt,

1317
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: and the similarities are pretty much the same. You had

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01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: a line that did nothing, and you know, since that

1319
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: time A J. Mccarrollon just been night of the conversation,

1320
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: it's almost like, gee, where is he. Nobody's talking about

1321
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: him even as a possibility of starting. And I think

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01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: if he had he has a good night on Thursday night,

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01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: I think he's a good possibility to start. And I

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01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 1: say that simply because of experience. I don't think Josh.

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01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: I don't think Josh is ready, and as far as

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01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: Peterman's concern, I wonder he may or he may not be.

1327
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is because if you

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01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: think about that really terrible experience he had last year.

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01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,919
Speaker 1: When the game really starts, when the season opens, they're

1330
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: going to throw all kinds of stuff at him, and

1331
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: I don't know that he could take another a beating

1332
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: like that and from a psychological standpoint, had not affected himself. Yeah,

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01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: I heard you're saying, Johnny. He has played since then,

1334
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: and started since then in the Colts game last year,

1335
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: and played pretty well until he got hurt in that game.

1336
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: And the reason why McCarron does not get a lot

1337
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: of discussion is because he has been hurt. He was

1338
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: available as the emergency third quarterback Sunday against Cincinnati, available

1339
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 1: for more. I mean, the quote from McDermott was he's

1340
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: good to go, right, ready to go. And I ain'tticipate

1341
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: he will play Thursday. I mean, he might even play

1342
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: the whole game on Thursday, and I for one would

1343
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: not rule him out as a potential starter on September nights. Look,

1344
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what direction they're going in. I think

1345
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 1: it could be McCarron. My bet would be on Nathan

1346
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: Peterman now. But if, yeah, if McCarron is ready to go,

1347
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 1: I think he'd be in the discussion. I will agree

1348
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: though with the caller that it is a bit unfair

1349
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: that aj McCarron is taking all the heat for the

1350
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: offensive line in front of him playing as poorly as

1351
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: they did against Cleveland, and Josh Allen not getting that

1352
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: same heat, and the more willingness to blame it on

1353
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: the offensive line, even though Allen was still culpable for

1354
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: that performance, and we heard it from Greg Cosell yesterday.

1355
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: So I think McCarron he'll get a lot of time

1356
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: on Thursday. Will it be compelling enough to will him

1357
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: to the job that? I don't know. I mean, he'll

1358
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: be going up against guys who are likely going to

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01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: be cut for the Chicago Bears, playing with players that

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01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: are likely going to be cut on the Buffalo Bills.

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01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: So I don't know how much you can take away

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01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: from a performance like that in the sense to get

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01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: him in a light to where you could be comfortable

1364
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: with starting him ahead of Nathan Peterman, who has done

1365
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: it with the ones, with the twos, with the threes.

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01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: Let's not forget Ajian mccarroon. Even though the offensive line

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01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: did not do him any favors, did not operate the

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01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: offense as well as Nathan Peterman did with the Ones,

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01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: which is why Peterman has that edge. So while I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't rule out McCarron being the guy, I also wouldn't

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Speaker 1: rule out him being on the bubble of things for

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. It's just a matter of if they

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01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: want to keep two or three quarterbacks and if they

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01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: only want to keep two. Ajie McCarron is the guy

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Speaker 1: on the outside looking in because they haven't invested as

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01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: much in him as they have with Allen and Peterman.

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Speaker 1: All right, here's Mike in Silver Creek, New York. Come on, Mike,

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01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 1: go ahead, Welcome to the show. Yeah, this is Mike.

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Speaker 1: I think we should start Jos Allen on September ninth

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01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: for a selfish reason. I'm all and I can't afford

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01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: to wait a Nel. I think you could have stunt

1382
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: his growth. He has the most upside, and I think

1383
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: you waste a whole year of learning of him learning,

1384
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: And the sooner we get him in there, we're going

1385
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: to find out if be candored or not in a

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01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: couple of years. Yeah, that's legitimate, Mike, I get that.

1387
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it hasked to me a full

1388
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: year and Joe. I'm trying to think I will look

1389
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 1: this up as I get ready for the game Thursday.

1390
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 1: But when did Mitchell Trubisky come on and as Chicago starter?

1391
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: It was as soon as everyone realized Michael Lennon was

1392
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: not an answer. I want to say. I'm guessing here.

1393
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: I think it was Memory Series. I may have been

1394
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 1: four or five weeks into it last year. That's that's

1395
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: probably around. And I think you know, if you and

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01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 1: I have begun now as of last night to look

1397
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: at the Bears, how many games is here? Trubisky came

1398
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: in week five? Good night five. If you talk to

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01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: the Bears people this week, read what's coming out of Chicago.

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01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: He got enough work last year as a rookie coming

1401
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: in a week five so that they know that who

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01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: he is now. I'm not saying he's a finished product,

1403
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: but he's not considered a rookie, not considered We gotta

1404
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: baby him or coddle him a little bit because he's

1405
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 1: still very young. So he played what eleven games last

1406
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: year Trubisky twelve games? They consider him you know a

1407
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: guy who has played in the league now, and I

1408
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: think a similar template might work for Josh Allen. I

1409
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: don't know if it's five weeks, six weeks, seven weeks, whatever,

1410
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 1: But if he gets in as a starter at some

1411
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: point during the season, and Josh Allen goes in the

1412
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 1: next year ready to go, just as true we're seeing

1413
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: the Bears with Trubisky right now. Yeah, I think that's

1414
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: that's a fair comparison there as to when might put

1415
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: him out there for the first time. Gives him some

1416
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 1: time in the background to let the offensive coordinator, the

1417
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:52,440
Speaker 1: quarterback coach, and really anyone else get with him and

1418
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,640
Speaker 1: make sure he knows what he's seeing out there, make

1419
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 1: sure they're with him every single day and working to

1420
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 1: make sure that the foot work continues on the right

1421
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: path as it has been in the spring and summer.

1422
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 1: I think mid October is probably the spot that I

1423
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: would think more than anything. Yeah, and from Mike and

1424
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: silver Creek worried that he's getting old and he's gonna

1425
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: miss out on Josh Allen. I don't think you have

1426
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: to wait, you know, a year or more to get

1427
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 1: Josh Allen ready to play. It's been done before, not

1428
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 1: very often. Maybe that I think that's against the Bills too,

1429
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 1: Against against the Titans, the Titans. Yeah, October seven. The

1430
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 1: Trubisky model I think is more if if Josh Dudn't

1431
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: starts September ninth, I think it will look a little

1432
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: bit more like what Chicago did with the Trubisky last year.

1433
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Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna take a break. We got quarterbacks

1434
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: to talk about. We got to Khalil Mack to talk about.

1435
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: We'll talk about all of that with Charles Robinson of

1436
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: Yahoo dot com. Schedule to join us when we come

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01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: back after this break. Jobs Kali is here. One Bill's Live,

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01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: presented by Kalida Health from One Bill's Drive. This is

1439
01:10:46,880 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's Radio. Come back to one of those five.

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01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,959
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker returns Thursday. John Murphy here with Joe Viscalia

1441
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,759
Speaker 1: from WWTV Channel seven in Buffalo. Here until three o'clock

1442
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 1: today as we talk about the Bills, the NFL, Bills quarterbacks.

1443
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 1: A lot to talk about him joining us right now

1444
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:14,679
Speaker 1: in the Subway Fresh Day Hotline. The man who's covered

1445
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 1: the NFL for several years. He's a senior NFL writer

1446
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 1: for Yahoo Sports. Happy to have Charles Robinson on the line. Charles,

1447
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: John Murphy jobscalty here in Buffalo. Thanks for joining us. Yeah,

1448
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: thanks for me, John, How I gets doing. We're doing well.

1449
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 1: We get calls occasionally about the possibility of Khalil Mack

1450
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: coming to the Buffalo Bills. I'd imagine there's at least

1451
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: eight or ten other cities where that happens. You're right,

1452
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 1: I mean, why wouldn't there be that question? But you

1453
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 1: wrote I thought a pretty definitive account of where the

1454
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders stand with Khalil Mack right now. And quite frankly,

1455
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 1: it doesn't look good for him being ready to play

1456
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: on opening day, does it. Yeah, it's not good. I

1457
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: think I think it is. Now we're in the territory

1458
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 1: where he's gonna miss some regular season games, or at

1459
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 1: very least he won't be there for the season opener.

1460
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 1: I think the only thing I could change that look,

1461
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 1: one of three things has to happen. Either Number one,

1462
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: Kleil Mac has to cave and and just say forget it.

1463
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to miss any more game checks he's

1464
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: already he's lost millions already in the preseason. He's being fined,

1465
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 1: where while he's subject to fines anyway for the preseason

1466
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 1: games he's missing. And so either he's gonna have to

1467
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 1: cave and just say I'll show up. I'm making thirteen

1468
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 1: point eight this season. I'll play it out like von

1469
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: Miller did obviously with the Denver Broncos before his big extension.

1470
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: Number Two, John Gruden is going to have to have

1471
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: a change of heart here and just say forget it,

1472
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna pay him. You know, he's, for whatever reason,

1473
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 1: diametrically opposed to paying him. I think it's because they

1474
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: feel like they've got that leverage, the fifth year to

1475
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: two franchise tags on top of that, and uh, you know,

1476
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 1: Gruden just does not want to pay that deal right now,

1477
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 1: they haven't even offered a contract or. Number Three, Mark

1478
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 1: Davis has got to step in and violate what he

1479
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: told John Gruden he wouldn't do when he when he

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Speaker 1: hired John Gruden, which was football's view. I'm giving you

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01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the football control. I won't step

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01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: in and step on your toes. But you know, Mark

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01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 1: Davis loves Kalil mac and I think if he gets

1484
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 1: uncomfortable enough and this gets ugly enough, you have to

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01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: wonder if Mark Davis is going to step in and

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01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 1: say to John we gotta get something done here. Hey, Charles,

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Speaker 1: where does Reggie McKenzie fit into all of this? I mean,

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01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 1: you mentioned Green, you mentioned Davis. Where is Reggie? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he fits in. I don't, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I've been told a number of times this offseason with

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Speaker 1: deal you know, people doing deals with teams with the Raiders.

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01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:33,879
Speaker 1: I knew some personnel guys who are involved in interviews

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01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 1: with the Raiders prior to uh basically when John was

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01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 1: building his staff, that they're doing all their work with

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01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 1: John or John's you know, got some contract consigliaries, some

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Speaker 1: of their contract guys, and that that's where all the

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01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,879
Speaker 1: information is flowing through from the parties to the contract

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01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:55,680
Speaker 1: guys to John and back and um. You know, like

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01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 1: I said, even personnel guys who went in there for

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01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,679
Speaker 1: jobs spent the majority of their time talking to John Gruden,

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01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: not Reggie mackenzie. And I that's what's weirdness dynamic everyone's

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01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: talking about, well Reggie, Reggie, and John seems to be

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01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: distancing himself a little bit from the Khalil mack negotiations.

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01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: But from what I've been told, straight up, this is

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01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,799
Speaker 1: a John show. It's all John show. It's John's final

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01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: decision and if John said tomorrow, hey, we're going to

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01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 1: do this and green lit it, the contract guys would

1508
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 1: go and they would get a deal done with Khalil Max.

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01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 1: So it's I don't know, it's a it's an odd

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01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 1: sort of set up there, But we had to know

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01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 1: the amount of money, the commitment that Mark Davis made

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01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 1: to John Gruden off the bat that ultimately this was

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01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: going to be him holding all the strings for all

1514
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 1: you know matters with the Raiders. In your estimation, is

1515
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: it a smart approach for the Raiders to give John

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01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: Gruden that much control when he has been out of

1517
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 1: the league, but for all intenses and purposes for this

1518
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 1: long I mean, I don't know what to say. I

1519
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 1: mean all I is, I've never seen an intro press

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01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:05,799
Speaker 1: conference the way that Gruden was announced by the owner

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01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,640
Speaker 1: of the Raiders, and so to me, whether it's a

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01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: smart approach or not, Mark Davis felt like, this is

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01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 1: what I have to do to to bring job back

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01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 1: and turn this thing in the direction that I believe

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01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 1: it needs to go. So I think time will tell

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01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: whether or not John, whether or not this is a

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01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: smart approach. I I've covered the league long enough and

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01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: football long enough to remember Dick vermil showing up in

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01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: Saint Louis and people absolutely destroying that higher and saying

1530
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: the game had passed Dick vermil By. Now, the difference was,

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01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 1: you know, Dick and Mike Martz, who at that time

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01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 1: was probably the smartest offensive mine in football. He had

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01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 1: multiple Hall of Famers to get her owner dropping in

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01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: the lap. That's a lot of serendipity, you know that

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01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 1: I think was very good for Dick vermil I don't

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01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: know that John has that serendipity. And the one thing

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01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: that I think is interesting to me is say this

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01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: goes bad. Let's let's play this out a little bit

1539
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: through one season. Say season one goes really poorly, Say

1540
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 1: Derek Carr plays poorly. Okay, do you want who? Do

1541
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: you who? If you're John Gruden, you're coming in there,

1542
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 1: And if you're Mark Davis, who do you want health

1543
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 1: responsible for that the coach you just signed for a

1544
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: long term deal or do you need someone in the

1545
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 1: organization to go well? John didn't sign that Derek car

1546
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 1: deal that predated John. So if that's a problem, it's

1547
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 1: not a John problem, it's a prior commitment problem from

1548
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 1: someone else in the building what Reggie was there. You know,

1549
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:32,719
Speaker 1: I think separating Johnson the Khalil mac deal right now

1550
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: is flight of hand by the Raiders. I don't think

1551
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: they want this if it goes really badly and it's

1552
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 1: heading to that direction where it's it's already bad, but

1553
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: it could go much worse if the season starts off poorly,

1554
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 1: that you don't want that stuff to John because you

1555
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 1: have your commitment to John long term into Las Vegas.

1556
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: So I think that that's part of what's being played

1557
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 1: out right here is they're trying to obfuscate John Heart

1558
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: and this when in reality, John is fully one hundred

1559
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: responsible for what's happening right now. Rob I'm with Charles Robinson,

1560
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 1: NFL columnists for Yahoo Sports, Senior NFL writer for Yahoo

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01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,560
Speaker 1: Sports since two thousand and four. Of all the scenarios

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01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: that could play out here for Khalil Mack, how likely

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01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 1: is a trade anywhere in the NFL? Uh? Well, I've

1564
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 1: been told straight up from inside the organization that you know,

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01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: Mark Davis loves Khalil Mack. He is considered a program guy,

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01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 1: which makes this whole thing even more crazy that he's

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01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: not getting paid because he's he's he typifies the kind

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01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 1: of guy you want to pay, and so I think

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01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 1: Mark Davis wants Khalilmack to be there. I think the Raiders,

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01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 1: and I think John Gruen, despite what he says publicly,

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01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: will listen to phone calls, will essentially listen to offers.

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01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: But John has come out and said we don't want

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01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 1: to trade him. He's our best defensive player. And I

1574
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 1: think the message that John is sending to other franchises is, look,

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01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 1: regardless of what you're hearing about the contracts, regardless of

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01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 1: how we're treating this situation right now, you need to

1577
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 1: know we view him as a Defensive Player of the

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01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: Year candidate. We view him as our best defensive player.

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01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: We view him as arguably the top edge rusher in

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01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 1: the league. We would want to be compensated for that,

1581
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 1: which means you're not going to give us a broken

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01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 1: veteran and a pick. You're not going to give us

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01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 1: the middle out picks. We're not giving him away. It's

1584
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,839
Speaker 1: going to be a quarterback trade, which could be a first,

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01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 1: a second, maybe multiple first and then on top of that,

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01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,599
Speaker 1: a team has to pay him. So to me, when

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01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 1: you talk to other teams around the NFL, It's one

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01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 1: thing to overpay to sign a free agent. If Cleil

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01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 1: Max on the market and you pay him twenty three

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01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: million dollars a year, you go what we overpay? That's

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01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 1: what we do in free agency. But we didn't have

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01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 1: to really give up anything but the money. When you

1593
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 1: got to give up the money and the picks, I

1594
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 1: think it makes things far more difficult. But you can't

1595
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 1: ever say never because there could be a contender out

1596
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,640
Speaker 1: there that says we're an edge rusher. Away, screw it,

1597
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 1: Let's do it, Let's commit it, and we're ready to

1598
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: commit the money. Let's let's maxim mis our window now

1599
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:03,600
Speaker 1: for whatever short period of hunt Charles. He is a

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01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: difference maker, isn't he? Khalil Mack, I mean maybe one

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01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,719
Speaker 1: of the one or two difference makers you could sign

1602
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball. Absolutely not, I

1603
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 1: mean not only a difference maker. But let's remember Khalil

1604
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 1: Mack has played two positions for the Raiders and been

1605
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 1: a different difference maker at both. He stood up and

1606
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 1: played linebacker, He's been a defensive end. He was an

1607
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 1: All Pro at both positions, which is insane. And so yeah,

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01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 1: he's one hundred percent a difference maker, I think, and

1609
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,799
Speaker 1: again I go back to the whole program guy stuff

1610
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: like these big deals. There's so many questions you have

1611
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 1: to answer. But a big question is are we happy

1612
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 1: with him in our locker room? Does he promote the

1613
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 1: values that we want promoted within our team? And everything

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01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 1: I've heard from their staff and everyone involved with Khalil

1615
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 1: Mack is absolutely like, Yeah, he's a hard worker, he

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01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: promotes what you want to promote, and you know he's

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01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 1: a leader. Guys look up to him. I thought when

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01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 1: all this started, I thought, man, is there's something I

1619
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: don't know about Khalil Mack in the locker rooms or

1620
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 1: something like completely sideways here. I haven't heard that. So

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01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, you know, he has twenty seven. He spent

1622
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 1: five years at Buffalo. I don't think a lot of

1623
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 1: people realize that before he came out in the draft

1624
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 1: beyond outside of obviously that school. But yeah, he came

1625
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 1: into the draft a little later than some guys. He's

1626
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 1: going to be twenty eight. I want to see in February,

1627
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 1: so he's close to his twenty eighth birthday. But let's

1628
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 1: be real, I mean, he should be a defensive maker

1629
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 1: as long as they're no injuries. He should be a

1630
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 1: prime guy the next three four years. Charles, if you

1631
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 1: had to guess who blinks first in this long standoff

1632
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 1: between all of these different parties, if teams. Look, there's

1633
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 1: no other way to put this than if if the

1634
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 1: Raiders are one hundred percent committed to not caving, they

1635
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 1: will win because they have the leverage of knowing he

1636
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 1: no matter what, he has to report to get an

1637
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 1: a crude season. So if he wants to be able

1638
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 1: to hit free agency next year, he's got to be

1639
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 1: there for some regular season games. He can't sit out

1640
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 1: the season or it will toll and So I think

1641
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 1: that's part of it. And at the same time, if

1642
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:14,640
Speaker 1: they're willing to go through the nastiness and deal with

1643
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 1: an unhappy player. And when I was there, I asked,

1644
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 1: if he comes in, he's not gonna be happy, you

1645
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 1: know that, right, And what I was told this, we're

1646
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 1: prepared to deal with that. We're prepared for him to

1647
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: come in and be mad. Making thirteen point eight million dollars,

1648
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 1: We'll deal with that. I think once a team like

1649
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:33,639
Speaker 1: gets over that hurdle, mentally, it's pretty hard to crack

1650
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 1: them in a negotiation unless the owner of the fan

1651
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:39,839
Speaker 1: base just completely turned on the line. With Charles Robinson

1652
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 1: from Yahoo Sports, one more different team to ask you about,

1653
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 1: and that's the Houston Texans. You wrote about Deshaun Watson

1654
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 1: maybe having a huge bounce back season, maybe a similar

1655
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 1: season like Carson Wentz had a year ago. What did

1656
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 1: you What did you see in Houston, Charles? And how

1657
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 1: are they the favorites to win that division? Would you think? Again?

1658
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 1: I think they're a I think they're a far better

1659
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 1: team than probably people realize. Like Houston has gone through

1660
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 1: the preseason, they have not really exposed any of their

1661
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 1: defensive starters in the in the preseason, so it's been

1662
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 1: a hard it's so hard to get a really accurate

1663
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: read on how good that defense could be. But you

1664
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 1: got Clowney right now playing for a superstar contract. I

1665
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 1: think he's more motivated than he's probably ever been at

1666
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: this point in his career. And Turan Matthews another guy

1667
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 1: he's on a contract year. JJ Watt is hearing everyone

1668
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 1: say he's done, So I think defensively, you know, Whitney

1669
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 1: Merciless is going to be back. You've got a number

1670
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 1: of guys who have all pro potential, So you have

1671
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 1: a defense that could be a heck of a lot better.

1672
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 1: But what impressed me is when I get out there,

1673
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson's coming off of obviously the second knee injury

1674
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 1: of his career. I'm like, Okay, let me is He's

1675
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: still moving. He's moving, he's stepping into throws. He looks confident.

1676
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 1: Probably going through you know, one knee injury prior to

1677
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 1: this and knowing how the process works helped him in

1678
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 1: this recovery. But he's just prob from what I've seen

1679
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 1: in the limit did stuff and then the practices, He's

1680
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: processing really fast. And that was when you talk to

1681
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 1: the Eagles about Wentz. What they were really excited about

1682
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 1: when when he was going in the year two was Wow,

1683
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 1: you know he's really processing it fast, and we are

1684
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 1: that's his big stride forward. And I think that's what Watson.

1685
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: He's taken that stride forwards. He processes things pretty quickly

1686
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 1: right now. So yeah, I think, you know, he's got

1687
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Speaker 1: the opportunity, the ability, and the talent to be a

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01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 1: Wentzl guy where he takes a big step forward. But

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01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 1: I'll say this, they are nervous about the line he's

1690
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 1: got to be protected and there is no shortage of

1691
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 1: harping on, do not let this guy get hit. And

1692
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 1: welcome today's NFL because so far when I go around

1693
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 1: the league, no team that's a line depth anymore. I

1694
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. Yeah, don't look age college

1695
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 1: football is the reason, right right, Absolutely. I think a

1696
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 1: lot of those offenses were starting to see guys who

1697
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 1: don't really ever put their hand down anymore. And it's

1698
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 1: just it's a different breed of offensive line guys coming out.

1699
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 1: And every time look to Dallas Cowboys, I'm telling you

1700
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 1: right now, people, I don't think people recognize this, but

1701
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are so freaked out about their offensive line

1702
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 1: depth Jordan Lewis. I think they feel like it's going

1703
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 1: to be a top tier nickel corner for them. I

1704
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 1: think there's a chance that they would listen to trade

1705
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 1: offers on Jordan Lewis if it got them an offensive

1706
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 1: lineman who is a top tier backup now and a

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01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 1: potential starter in a year or two. I think they

1708
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 1: could potentially shop and let's be like, nickel corners valuable,

1709
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 1: especially a young guy. Yeah. So if that just tells

1710
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: you about the lack of depth for some of the

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01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 1: better teams in the NFL right now at offensive line, Charles,

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01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 1: I want to ask you one more brief question before

1713
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:45,599
Speaker 1: we let you go. And we're up against the clock

1714
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 1: a little bit here, but you said something and talking

1715
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 1: about the Texans how they did not expose their defensive

1716
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:53,879
Speaker 1: starters much at all during preseason. Bill's got the Bears

1717
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 1: this week. They haven't played their starters much at all,

1718
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:58,959
Speaker 1: even in Week three. Is this a new trend developing?

1719
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 1: The teams are just holding back there, they're good players

1720
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 1: not playing them at all during preseason and what could

1721
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 1: that mean for the future of NFL preseason football? I

1722
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 1: think the teams. I think teams are doing a cost

1723
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 1: benefit analysis of are there guys that we absolutely can't lose?

1724
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 1: And if there are, why even expose them? Like we'll

1725
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: deal with you. Can you try to amp up things

1726
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:24,680
Speaker 1: in practice a little more. You don't cut practices and

1727
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 1: heat anymore. You try to do all the reps and

1728
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 1: then you just go, look, we're going to hope for

1729
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 1: the best one. They look at Jared Goff. You know what,

1730
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 1: the la Rams people are losing their minds about the

1731
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 1: fact that they just are not exposing them at all

1732
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 1: in the preseason. But the Rams said, we cannot lose

1733
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 1: this guy. We lose this guy's season goes down the drain,

1734
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 1: and I think teams are more willing to look at

1735
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 1: some of those pieces and go. We will try to

1736
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:50,679
Speaker 1: simulate that work in practice a little more if we can,

1737
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 1: and amp it up a little more in practice where

1738
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 1: we can protect these guys, and then we'll deal with

1739
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 1: them working out some of the kinks in week one

1740
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 1: or two of a regular season rather than exposing them

1741
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 1: from them for an entire year. I think it's developing.

1742
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 1: Joe and I are going to talk about that. But Charles,

1743
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 1: we thank you. I hope to see you down the

1744
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 1: road somewhere somewhere, maybe catching a Bills game. Thanks very much,

1745
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Charles, Absolutely absolutely always my pleasure. Thanks.

1746
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 1: Charles Robinson, senior NFL writer for Yahoo Sports, joined us

1747
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,600
Speaker 1: on the Subway Fresh take highline, Subway Eat Fresh. The

1748
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 1: Bears are doing it, the Rams are doing it, as

1749
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 1: Charles mentioned a little bit of the Texans. We'll talk

1750
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 1: about it when they come back. Just holding players out,

1751
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 1: don't even bother playing them in preseason. Joe and I

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01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 1: will discuss when we return One Bills Live from One

1753
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 1: Bill's Drive on Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to the show,

1754
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 1: John Murphy, Job Bascalli here for Steve Tasker, who returns

1755
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 1: to the show on Thursday. We're coming to your line

1756
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 1: from One Bill's Drive with One Bill's Live. Joe, I'm

1757
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:56,640
Speaker 1: gonna take you back into Bill's history here and I

1758
01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 1: was here forty three years ago this August preseason game

1759
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 1: Bills in the La Rams coming to the stadium. Got

1760
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 1: into the stadium early in the game, the great three

1761
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:10,719
Speaker 1: time Pro Bowl cornerback for the Bills, Robert James, intercepts

1762
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 1: around Jaworski. In the process of running it back, he

1763
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 1: gets drilled injures his knee. Never plays again preseason game.

1764
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 1: I still look back at that forty three years later

1765
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:23,639
Speaker 1: is maybe the most the most impactful, terrible preseason injury

1766
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: I've ever been around. And we got talking about this

1767
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 1: with Charles Robinson, the threat of that kind of injury.

1768
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 1: I think we're seeing a trend developing in the league

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01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 1: this year, and it's been going on a little bit

1770
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:35,680
Speaker 1: before this, where teams are not willing to take the

1771
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 1: risk that they lose Robert James or whoever their key

1772
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 1: player is. The Bears Buffalo's opponents on on Thursday night. Now, look,

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01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 1: we don't anticipate there're gonna be a lot of starters

1774
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 1: in that game, but their starters haven't played much at all,

1775
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 1: including this past week Saturday, in their third preseason game,

1776
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 1: thirty four players were not used at all in the game,

1777
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 1: including many starters. The brand new coach of the Chicago

1778
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: Bears talked about it, Coach Nagy, who said, um, I

1779
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 1: think it's crazy to say I want to play more

1780
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 1: reps of meaningless football unless they start passing for wins

1781
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 1: and losses. It's an opportunity for the younger guys in

1782
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:13,679
Speaker 1: the backups to have the opportunity to make their team.

1783
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 1: To make the team for starters, it's kind of pointless.

1784
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 1: He is voicing. I believe a truth that is going

1785
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 1: to take over the NFL by this time next year.

1786
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 1: Either preseason has drastically changed or nobody plays, nobody of

1787
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,879
Speaker 1: consequence plays in preseason. For man, you are a wishful

1788
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,679
Speaker 1: thinker to think that it's going to change that quickly.

1789
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 1: Everything in the NFL takes a long time. Yeah, but

1790
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 1: teams are going to adapt coaches are gonna say no,

1791
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 1: I'm not. I mean, the Bears are doing it. You

1792
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: look it up. Jared Goff has yet to take a

1793
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 1: preseason stuff for the Rams. It's happening right before our eyes.

1794
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 1: Those are a couple of younger coaches in the NFL

1795
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 1: that smartly, and this is the case for all things

1796
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 1: in life, ask why why do we do this thing

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01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 1: a certain way? Can we do this better? And when

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01:28:56,520 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 1: you are putting your your precious starters that are going

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01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 1: to win or lose for you in the season and

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01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 1: really be the genesis of why or why you don't

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01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 1: get fired, then why would you put them out there

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01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 1: as much to risk getting injured in games that aren't

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01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 1: going to do a lick of anything for you in

1804
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:18,800
Speaker 1: the grand scheme of things. Now, I totally get the

1805
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 1: notion of needing some work out there. And even Matt

1806
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 1: Naggi had had Mitchell Trubisky out there, I think he

1807
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 1: threw fourteen passes in the second preseason game, But past that,

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01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 1: I don't know how much more of a tune up

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01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 1: you need. It's smart to not have to not put

1810
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 1: those guys out there, and the core starters. It gives

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01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:41,719
Speaker 1: more opportunity to other guys to try and catch on elsewhere,

1812
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 1: or to try and catch your eye to see if

1813
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 1: they can actually make an impact there. You don't need

1814
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 1: all of this unneces unnecessary stuff. You know that your

1815
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 1: starters can do the job. Why bother putting yourself in

1816
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 1: jeopardy of not having that player all throughout the season.

1817
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: If Sean McVeigh does it into Rams and he has

1818
01:29:58,240 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 1: not played most of his offensive starters in any preseason games,

1819
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 1: Matt and Aggie's doing it in Chicago, other coaches and

1820
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 1: we know what this week would be like, what Thursday

1821
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 1: will be like, not just in Bills game, but in

1822
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 1: every game. What makes you think that things can't change?

1823
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 1: And look, I'm not talking. I don't think next year

1824
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 1: will be down to three preseason games, although I would

1825
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 1: vote for it today if it gave me the opportunity

1826
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:21,559
Speaker 1: or two preseason games. I do think that there's going

1827
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 1: to be a look around the league and people are

1828
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 1: gonna say, the Bears are doing this or Rams are

1829
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:28,559
Speaker 1: doing this. Why are we exposing our players to injury?

1830
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 1: What are we thinking? I think the coaches are going

1831
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 1: to kind of force the issue here with the way

1832
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 1: they play preseason games, give me two, one home, one away.

1833
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 1: It gives you more time in training camp, which and

1834
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 1: you don't have to mess up the flow of your

1835
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 1: practices either because you have to work in travel a

1836
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:47,800
Speaker 1: couple of weeks out of the preseason calendar, and that

1837
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 1: takes away some practice time from you. More natural practice

1838
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 1: time this week leading up to the Bills game from

1839
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 1: Sunday to Thursday. It's a joke for preparations at point.

1840
01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 1: They've literally practice without helmets yesterday, they practice bucketts, another lader.

1841
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 1: They might be doing a walkthrough or something like that.

1842
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:10,599
Speaker 1: It's just it doesn't make a lot of sense just

1843
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 1: from just from an overall business standpoint. I mean, if

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01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:15,719
Speaker 1: you're going out there trying to prepare for the games

1845
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 1: that actually matter, and you have to sit there and

1846
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:20,720
Speaker 1: lose all this practice time because you have to pick

1847
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 1: up the whole operation and go to Chicago for a

1848
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 1: game that nobody cares about them, then what are you

1849
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 1: doing here? If you just have one preseason game and

1850
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 1: have your starters playing that one perfect, have them get

1851
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 1: their feet wet, second game, have it served as the

1852
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 1: essential fourth preseason game the next week, then go on

1853
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 1: your merry way you're helping player safety, you're helping the

1854
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:45,600
Speaker 1: injury numbers, you're helping everything by just not overthinking it

1855
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 1: and trying to grab money at a couple extra games,

1856
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 1: I think, and it will require some leadership from enlightened

1857
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 1: owners and the commissioner. And I can almost hear the

1858
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:55,360
Speaker 1: commissioner now, he's almost said it a couple times about

1859
01:31:55,600 --> 01:32:00,080
Speaker 1: how preseason football is currently constituted. It's sort of a

1860
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 1: blight on the game. They're kind of, you know, trampling

1861
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:05,360
Speaker 1: all over their own product to put this out there

1862
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 1: as an NFL product. I think that's the way it'll go.

1863
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 1: Maybe not next year, but maybe the year after. We

1864
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 1: cut the number of preseason game down, preseason games down.

1865
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 1: And I do think the coaches are kind of leading

1866
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 1: the way. When you see what Matt Nagy's doing in

1867
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 1: Chicago and what Sean mcphagh is doing out west in

1868
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 1: LA I really believe that. All Right, Joe, we've got

1869
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 1: another hour to go. Come on back. One Bill's Lide

1870
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:27,679
Speaker 1: presented by Kalida Hell from One Bill's Drive and this

1871
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:43,600
Speaker 1: is Buffalo Bills Radio Bills Radio Network Stories Update. The

1872
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 1: update comes from One Bill's Drive and Off Day for

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01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,759
Speaker 1: Bills players in the middle of a short week. Players

1874
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:51,800
Speaker 1: return tomorrow one more like practice session. Then they played

1875
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:55,320
Speaker 1: preseason game number four in Chicago Thursday night. Head coach

1876
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:58,840
Speaker 1: Sean McDermot not yet ready to say well as plans

1877
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 1: for the quarterback position are. Yesterday he said there are

1878
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 1: no further developments at quarterback from Sunday and after the

1879
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 1: game against the Bengals, So no word on the plans

1880
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 1: for a Thursday in Chicago. No word on the starting

1881
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 1: quarterback for the season opener in Baltimore. That's just twelve

1882
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 1: days away. Preseason finale two days away. The Bills at

1883
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 1: Soldier Field to play the Bears Thursday night, eight pm.

1884
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 1: Kickoff at the game right here in a flagship in

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01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 1: Buffalo WGR Sports Radio five fifty Now around the league.

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01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Junior has that new contract in place, a

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01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 1: five year extension, making him the highest paid excuse me,

1888
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 1: white receiver in football. Three time Pro Bowler. Can you

1889
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:34,800
Speaker 1: get a maximum of ninety five million dollars over the

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01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 1: course of the deal. It will be guaranteed sixty million

1891
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 1: for an average of twenty million a year over the

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01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 1: first three years. Jaguars wide receiver Marquis Leage will miss

1893
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 1: the entire season with a knee injury that he suffered

1894
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 1: Saturday night. Doug Morone, head coach of the Jags, did

1895
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:51,759
Speaker 1: not go into specifics about the severity of the injury yesterday,

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Speaker 1: but said the team will put him on injury reserve.

1897
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Speaker 1: Lee will have surgery in the near future. Adam pac

1898
01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:59,360
Speaker 1: Man Jones says he'll be ready to help out the

1899
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:01,680
Speaker 1: Denver Bronco signed to the contract to a one year

1900
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Speaker 1: contract by the Broncos on Sunday as Denver looks for

1901
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 1: some depth at cornerback end at return. He practiced with

1902
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Speaker 1: the first for the team for the first time on Monday.

1903
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 1: Pac Man Jones now at Denver Bronco. In the NBA.

1904
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:17,600
Speaker 1: Spurs guard managed Genoblei announced yesterday that he's retiring. He

1905
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:21,040
Speaker 1: is forty one years of age. Genobli had been working

1906
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 1: out regularly at the Spurs practice facility making up his

1907
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 1: mind whether or not to retire. They've been hopeful he

1908
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 1: would want to return for a seventeen seventeen season. He

1909
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 1: decided not to manage. Genobli, four time NBA Champion, two

1910
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Speaker 1: time NBA All Star, and Olympic gold medals for Argentina

1911
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Speaker 1: and the EuroLeague MVP. That's the update from one Whil's Drive.

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Speaker 1: John Murphy Joebascalia in today for Steve Tasker. Tasker returns

1913
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Speaker 1: on Thursday. We thank Joe, Joe, thank you for joining

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Speaker 1: this year, Surf. It's good to be here, bring a

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Speaker 1: shot of energy to the show. Nothing against Steve here,

1916
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Speaker 1: but it's good to have. I said to you this

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Speaker 1: the last time you field him back in June. It's

1918
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:56,479
Speaker 1: great to have a different I'm sure people say this

1919
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Speaker 1: when people replace me. It's great to have just a

1920
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Speaker 1: different voice in here. Well, well, it's fun and now

1921
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Speaker 1: I mean as opposed to June, we actually have stuff

1922
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Speaker 1: to like talk about nauseum, as opposed to Hey, let's

1923
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Speaker 1: review the draft picks over and over again. No disrespect

1924
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:11,720
Speaker 1: of the June shows, but no, you're more fun these days.

1925
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:13,679
Speaker 1: You were here in the dry spell. Yeah, that rout

1926
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Speaker 1: is over. We got plenty of content. Still no quarterback decision,

1927
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Speaker 1: but a lot of speculation about it. Joining us on

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Speaker 1: the subway. Fresh take Hline, a guy who writes for

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Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated, contributor for MMQB, former reporter for NFL dot Com.

1930
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Speaker 1: Connor Or on the line. He's got some thoughts on

1931
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Speaker 1: the Bills quarterback situation. Connor, it's John Murphy and Joe

1932
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Speaker 1: Piscott you here in Buffalo. Thank you for joining us,

1933
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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, guys. I appreciate it you think

1934
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Speaker 1: the Bills while you actually raise the question should the

1935
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:41,720
Speaker 1: Bills roll the dice to put Josh Allen in in

1936
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 1: what is referred to I like this word in the headline,

1937
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:48,080
Speaker 1: a suboptimal situation that it means not very good situation,

1938
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:50,920
Speaker 1: doesn't it. Yeah, And you know, I think this isn't

1939
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 1: really anything against Josh. I think just the offseason broke

1940
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:57,599
Speaker 1: a certain way for the Bills and their offensive line,

1941
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 1: and they still wanted to secure the quarterback of the few. Sure,

1942
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:02,799
Speaker 1: but I think when you draft someone like Josh knowing

1943
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:04,880
Speaker 1: that you know his base needs to be readjusted so

1944
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 1: that some mechanics need to be fixed, h you have

1945
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 1: to give him time in the pocket to do that.

1946
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 1: This isn't like Sam Darnold where he can get rid

1947
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 1: of the ball two seconds apiece on that he clip.

1948
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 1: You know, Josh Allen needs time, and I think that

1949
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 1: this offensive line is not going to give it to him.

1950
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Speaker 1: And I would maybe consider some sort of a red

1951
01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:26,879
Speaker 1: shirt program for him if possible, But how how long

1952
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:31,000
Speaker 1: Connor do you think it could actually benefit the Bills

1953
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 1: to where he's not on the field and still learning

1954
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,559
Speaker 1: in the in the confines of practice, where as opposed

1955
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 1: to the actual on field perspective, when you know that's

1956
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 1: that's where these guys really do make their strides. You're

1957
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:46,320
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. I mean, you know, for right now.

1958
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 1: I mean even if I'm Sean McDermott, I'm just looking

1959
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 1: at the preseason film and you know, if your number

1960
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 1: one goal, which it always should be, is to win games,

1961
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 1: I mean AJ McCarron can get rid of the ball

1962
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 1: faster now. I mean, it's just something and something that

1963
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 1: he's going to need to do. I mean, if you watch,

1964
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:05,160
Speaker 1: if you time and snap to throw stuff, if you watch,

1965
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:07,800
Speaker 1: you know a little bit of that is anticipation and

1966
01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 1: his knowledge are these routes. It looks like he's just

1967
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 1: more comfortable. And so I think until Josh Allen meets

1968
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:17,320
Speaker 1: him on that kind of line graph there, then I

1969
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:19,720
Speaker 1: think that you've got to keep AJ McCarron in. But

1970
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 1: you know, and I think that this is something that

1971
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:23,599
Speaker 1: is going to go on as long as it needs

1972
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:26,680
Speaker 1: to go on. But I understand from the Bill's perspective

1973
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:28,760
Speaker 1: how difficult that's going to be to keep him on

1974
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:30,760
Speaker 1: the sideline. I mean, does it go on go on

1975
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 1: throughout the twenty eighteen season, Connor, or is it something

1976
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 1: that you could be adjusted during the course of the season.

1977
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 1: I think it's certainly something that could be adjusted. I mean, look,

1978
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:41,639
Speaker 1: I mean, you've one Cassio as your offensive line coach.

1979
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 1: It's not this guy hasn't been around the block before,

1980
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:46,800
Speaker 1: and you have a lot of veterans that have played

1981
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:49,360
Speaker 1: a lot of football. And if this thing gels, and

1982
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 1: you know, if the system works enough where the run

1983
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 1: game is good enough to take some pressure off off

1984
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 1: your quarterback, then I think that you can feel more

1985
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:00,240
Speaker 1: comfortable putting him back in knowing that it's not going

1986
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 1: to cause any serious mechanical flaws. But I mean, if

1987
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:05,679
Speaker 1: you look at you know, a guy like David Carr

1988
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:08,559
Speaker 1: who never really recovered from something like this, and you

1989
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 1: know that's a number one pick set that was sort

1990
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 1: of thrown away by throwing him into the fire too quickly.

1991
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:16,479
Speaker 1: So I think that's always a concern on the line

1992
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 1: with Connor. Orror. He is staff writer for Sports Illustrated

1993
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 1: contributor for MMQB. Talking about a lot of different things

1994
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:25,799
Speaker 1: in the NFL, you mentioned a minute ago about Donald.

1995
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 1: You think Donald shows what a quicker release, a more

1996
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 1: ability to get rid of the ball than what you've

1997
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:33,720
Speaker 1: seen from Josh Allen. Is that what you've seen. Yeah,

1998
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 1: I think he's a little more decisive. And I think

1999
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:39,880
Speaker 1: that that just you know, that's experience, that's being in

2000
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 1: that offense for as long as he was at USC

2001
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 1: and being taught to get rid of the ball faster.

2002
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:48,320
Speaker 1: But I mean that first preseason game, I think I

2003
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:51,479
Speaker 1: timed them on average, I mean like two point three seconds,

2004
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:54,240
Speaker 1: and that's including the bootlegs that are going to weigh

2005
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:56,519
Speaker 1: down your average that are three plot seconds. I mean,

2006
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:59,679
Speaker 1: that's that's great, And you know that's that's Drew Breeze.

2007
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 1: That's Tom bree level decision making time. And you know,

2008
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:06,240
Speaker 1: whether those are the best decisions, you know, that's something

2009
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 1: that he's got to, you know, fix in the future.

2010
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:12,320
Speaker 1: But I mean, he was testing defenses deep. I thought

2011
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 1: that he wasn't scared to make big throws, and so

2012
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:17,040
Speaker 1: I think that the jets of all the teams have

2013
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:20,519
Speaker 1: to be the most comfortable playing him. Week one kind

2014
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 1: of you wrote a post last week or yeah, it

2015
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 1: was last week about unwritten rules. You mentioned how you

2016
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:28,880
Speaker 1: like the unwritten rules the baseball code, so to speak,

2017
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:30,960
Speaker 1: and you bring up the point and it comes about

2018
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:33,960
Speaker 1: I think because of last week's Brown's Eagles game and

2019
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 1: kind of a by play between Jim Schwartz and Greig Williams.

2020
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Speaker 1: Is there an unwritten rule against blitzing in preseason football game.

2021
01:39:41,479 --> 01:39:43,000
Speaker 1: If there was, I wasn't aware of it. What do

2022
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:45,599
Speaker 1: you think? I think if there is one, there's no

2023
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:50,320
Speaker 1: way Greg Williams is going to follow regardless of regardless

2024
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 1: of whether that's true or not. But I think that

2025
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 1: there are you know, I mean if you look at

2026
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 1: sort of all the coaches and you track where they've

2027
01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:00,800
Speaker 1: been and where they're going and and all that kind

2028
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:03,160
Speaker 1: of stuff. I mean, this is this is a fraternity,

2029
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:05,000
Speaker 1: and these are all guys that know each other and

2030
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 1: are comfortable with each other for the most part, and

2031
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:10,640
Speaker 1: so I could absolutely see there being some sort of

2032
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:13,559
Speaker 1: a link in non agreement where everybody just keeps everybody

2033
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:16,240
Speaker 1: up right, and you know, you kind of move on.

2034
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:19,679
Speaker 1: But the Browns blitzed heavily against the Eagles last week.

2035
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 1: I think I counted seven in those first two quarters

2036
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:25,680
Speaker 1: when the starters are in and then Jim Schwartz is

2037
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:27,880
Speaker 1: another guy like Greg Williams. He can get a little

2038
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 1: ornery and he definitely returned the favor with a couple

2039
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:32,240
Speaker 1: with a couple of eight man blitzes there before the

2040
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:33,920
Speaker 1: end of the half. It's sort of the summer of

2041
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 1: Greg Greg Williams. Isn't it the last month anywhe I

2042
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:40,120
Speaker 1: on my Yeah, if you're the Browns, I don't know

2043
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:42,960
Speaker 1: how excited you are about that. Yeah. You know, I've

2044
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:46,080
Speaker 1: seen you know, I've seen Hugh Jackson yesterday. Actually know,

2045
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:47,800
Speaker 1: on a serious now, I had the backtrack and had

2046
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 1: to kind of scold him for saying some of the

2047
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 1: stuff that he did about some of his players. And

2048
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:54,719
Speaker 1: you know, Greg is going to take over Hard Knocks.

2049
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:56,639
Speaker 1: This is a guy who knows where the cameras are.

2050
01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 1: This is a guy who likes to be presented in

2051
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:02,519
Speaker 1: a certain way. And you know, I think that, man,

2052
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:05,439
Speaker 1: it's great for the branding, it's great for fans to

2053
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:08,479
Speaker 1: get to know these guys, but you know, it's also

2054
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 1: the it shows the downside of why a lot of

2055
01:41:10,439 --> 01:41:14,400
Speaker 1: teams avoid hard knocks like the Plague Connor. One thing

2056
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:20,080
Speaker 1: we've been talking about is the overall I guess efficiency

2057
01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:23,920
Speaker 1: of the preseason and of course the length goes along

2058
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:26,800
Speaker 1: with it, but the fact that both the Bears and

2059
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:29,840
Speaker 1: the Rams are taking the queue of not really putting

2060
01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:33,960
Speaker 1: their starters out there in the perceived dress rehearsal. However

2061
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:36,960
Speaker 1: cliche you want to call that third preseason game, Well,

2062
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:40,400
Speaker 1: do you think that that that it's a smart idea

2063
01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 1: to get rid of some of these preseason games and

2064
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:45,280
Speaker 1: then and then kind of go from there because it

2065
01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:50,200
Speaker 1: is at times excruciating with the fourth preseason game. Yeah,

2066
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:51,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's a good point. I think

2067
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:54,000
Speaker 1: it's hard because you can understand it on all levels.

2068
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:56,479
Speaker 1: I mean, the guys who really that you have to

2069
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:58,759
Speaker 1: be concerned about are the guys who are just trying

2070
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:01,320
Speaker 1: to get an NFL stage to make a roster in

2071
01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:04,360
Speaker 1: those third and fourth preseason games of their lifeblood, you know,

2072
01:42:04,439 --> 01:42:06,920
Speaker 1: and the way that they the lead that they're able

2073
01:42:06,920 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 1: to latch on and defeat families. I'm talking about the

2074
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:12,360
Speaker 1: undrafted guys sort of the second or third go around guys.

2075
01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 1: But you know, this preseason certainly in danger, especially if

2076
01:42:16,040 --> 01:42:18,800
Speaker 1: more teams just refused to play their starters. And I

2077
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:21,240
Speaker 1: thought that Matt Nage made a good point in Chicago,

2078
01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:23,320
Speaker 1: where you know he can get two thousand rests in

2079
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:26,439
Speaker 1: practice during the week, what's another thirty? I mean, really,

2080
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:29,960
Speaker 1: this is the same speed. It's really there's not a

2081
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:33,879
Speaker 1: lot different He can replicate, replicate all those looks in practice.

2082
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:35,720
Speaker 1: So why am I going to throw my guy out

2083
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,280
Speaker 1: there and worry about someone clipping his knee when I

2084
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:40,120
Speaker 1: know that that's not going to happen in practice. And

2085
01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:42,640
Speaker 1: so I think that you can see all sides of

2086
01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:44,639
Speaker 1: this argument. But at the end of the day, this

2087
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:47,760
Speaker 1: is about, you know, a business, and owners like the

2088
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:50,000
Speaker 1: fact that they get to fill the stadium four more

2089
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:52,400
Speaker 1: times a year, and in the absence of an eighteen

2090
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:54,479
Speaker 1: game schedule, this is this is kind of the best

2091
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 1: they can do. Yeah, owners, So, and I'm trying to

2092
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:59,479
Speaker 1: think of ways to get the ball rolling here. Conter

2093
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:01,559
Speaker 1: Joe and I been talking about a little bit earlier today.

2094
01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:05,040
Speaker 1: Owners also appreciate they don't want to lose their stars

2095
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:08,479
Speaker 1: in August, you know what I mean? And maybe I

2096
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:10,559
Speaker 1: hate to say it, does that have to happen in

2097
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 1: order for the momentum to start to really think seriously

2098
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:18,840
Speaker 1: about constructing a new preseason template. I hate to think

2099
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 1: of it that way, but something needs to happen. And

2100
01:43:21,160 --> 01:43:23,280
Speaker 1: I keep going back to what Roger Goodell said about

2101
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:26,800
Speaker 1: how preseason football is not really a good representation of

2102
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:29,760
Speaker 1: what the NFL product is. That's true. I think that's true,

2103
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:31,960
Speaker 1: and I know people watch, but it certainly doesn't look

2104
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,439
Speaker 1: anything like the real NFL product. Just a couple of

2105
01:43:34,439 --> 01:43:37,479
Speaker 1: weeks later, I can guarantee you that if what happened

2106
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:39,720
Speaker 1: last year, and we've done a lot of stories on

2107
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:42,360
Speaker 1: sort of that rash of injuries between Week four in

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Speaker 1: Week twelve that really just robbed the NFL of all

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01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:47,600
Speaker 1: their star players last year, if that had happened in

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01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:49,960
Speaker 1: the preseason, there is no way we were having a

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01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:53,040
Speaker 1: four game preseason this year. There's zero chance that that

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01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:55,679
Speaker 1: is happening. And I think that right now the NFL

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01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:58,320
Speaker 1: is just sort of playing sit and watch, and that's

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01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:00,479
Speaker 1: what they're the best. That is sitting back and saying,

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01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:03,160
Speaker 1: how long can we just let this go until it

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01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:06,920
Speaker 1: becomes a serious issue? And if people stop coming, that

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01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:10,519
Speaker 1: is the biggest indicator people, you know, stop watching. But

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01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, I think there was a ratings record that

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01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:17,880
Speaker 1: was recently broken for preseason football, So that's another indicator

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01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:21,640
Speaker 1: to them, the people in the highest parts of this organization,

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01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:23,720
Speaker 1: that hey, what we're doing is just fine, and we

2122
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:25,679
Speaker 1: can keep kicking the can down the road until people

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01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:27,560
Speaker 1: stop watching or stop showing up. Yeah. I mean, the

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01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:30,519
Speaker 1: highest rated television chosen Buffalo this summer have been the

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01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:32,639
Speaker 1: three Bills preseason games, and I'm sure it's that way

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01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:36,479
Speaker 1: in several other cities around the league. Yeah. Connor joins us.

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01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:39,320
Speaker 1: He is staff writer for Sports Illustrated. You recently wrote

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01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:42,680
Speaker 1: a post for SI dot com counter about coordinators to

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01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,040
Speaker 1: watch during the upcoming season. I guess as a look

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01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:48,800
Speaker 1: at who might be head coach material, including Buffalo's Brian Dable.

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01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 1: What do you see there and who are some of

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01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:52,599
Speaker 1: the other hot coordinators? Do you think well with Brian?

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01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:54,679
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting and sort of just talking

2134
01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:56,320
Speaker 1: to people around the league, you know, I'm trying to

2135
01:44:56,360 --> 01:44:58,840
Speaker 1: get a window into how these owners think by the

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01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 1: time the head coaching vacancies roll around, and trying to

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01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:04,519
Speaker 1: predict the future just a little bit. And if you

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01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:06,920
Speaker 1: imagine the Bills starting Josh Allen from week one or

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01:45:06,920 --> 01:45:09,839
Speaker 1: week two or week three, and he has a phenomenal season.

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01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:12,639
Speaker 1: The league is basically full of Josh Allen. They're guys

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01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:15,960
Speaker 1: that you know, have all the tools, that need the

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01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:18,479
Speaker 1: right system and that needs something, you know, maybe some

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01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:21,360
Speaker 1: light mechanical fixing and all that stuff to propel them forward.

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01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:24,840
Speaker 1: If he organizes something like that for him this season,

2145
01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:26,439
Speaker 1: his name is going to shoot to the top of

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01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:28,720
Speaker 1: the list. And I think that, you know, it's all

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01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:31,200
Speaker 1: about the quarterback. It's still a quarterback driven league, and

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01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:33,720
Speaker 1: so that goes a long way with owners. But you know,

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01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:35,840
Speaker 1: I think it's a good crop that's coming up. You know,

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01:45:36,160 --> 01:45:39,559
Speaker 1: James Thatcher in New York, the defensive coordinator, Natlas Floor

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01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:42,559
Speaker 1: in Tennessee. You know, there's gonna be a lot of guys.

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01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:44,639
Speaker 1: I feel like if the forty nine ers and Rams

2153
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:47,840
Speaker 1: past success, a lot of guys with McVeigh and Shanahan

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01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:50,080
Speaker 1: ties are going to start popping up on these lists too.

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01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:52,840
Speaker 1: Connor with Dable. I mean, he's had a lot of

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01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:55,160
Speaker 1: kicks at the can now as an offensive coordinator. Is

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01:45:55,160 --> 01:45:58,800
Speaker 1: that that's not going to I guess limit him from

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01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 1: potentially yielding those head coaching opportunities seeing as how it

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01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:06,040
Speaker 1: didn't go well in those others instances. You're absolutely right,

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01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:08,519
Speaker 1: and I think that's a great point. I think when

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01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:12,400
Speaker 1: you know one good season, one breaks through, I mean,

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01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:14,360
Speaker 1: you know you have to look at it like you know,

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01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:17,639
Speaker 1: he's not, at least in his previous stops. I wouldn't

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01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:20,200
Speaker 1: accuse him of running the exact same things over and

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01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:22,640
Speaker 1: over again. I would say that his offensive has had

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01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:25,320
Speaker 1: a similar theme to them. Of course, but if he

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01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:27,600
Speaker 1: comes out in Buffalo this year was something new, with

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01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:31,080
Speaker 1: something efficient for Josh Allen. I think that a lot

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01:46:31,080 --> 01:46:32,920
Speaker 1: of that gets to race and you forget, I mean,

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01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:36,120
Speaker 1: to have Nick Saban and Bill Belichick making phone calls

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01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:38,200
Speaker 1: for you. I mean, that's that's as big of a

2172
01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:42,040
Speaker 1: deal as anything in this league when everybody's so intertwined. Hey, Connor,

2173
01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 1: you also wrote a recent post. I think they went

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Speaker 1: up today yesterday, ten people, places, and things that will

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01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:50,360
Speaker 1: define the league in twenty eighteen, sort of a forecast

2176
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:52,800
Speaker 1: of the stuff that NFL fans will be talking about.

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01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:54,680
Speaker 1: One of the things on your list, Joe and I

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01:46:54,720 --> 01:46:57,160
Speaker 1: were talking about just about an hour ago, John Gruden

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Speaker 1: in and the Raiders, and we talked about it in

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01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:03,200
Speaker 1: the context of what's going on with Khalil Mack. But

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01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:05,160
Speaker 1: Mac or not, John Gordon is going to be the

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01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:07,880
Speaker 1: focus of a lot of attention this year out West, isn't. Yeah,

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01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:10,640
Speaker 1: we just taped our podcast here and you know, the

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01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 1: one thing that I was driving home is, you know,

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Speaker 1: if he continues to not be involved in the Khalil

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01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:20,600
Speaker 1: max situation and he continues like you know, all the

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01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:22,360
Speaker 1: players in the locker room know that he's making one

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01:47:22,439 --> 01:47:25,760
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars over the next ten years, and that

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01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:28,360
Speaker 1: defense doesn't play well, this is going to be a

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01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:31,840
Speaker 1: disaster of unseen proportions in the NFL. This is a

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01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:34,920
Speaker 1: guy that you're tied to for the next decade. He's

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01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:38,080
Speaker 1: going to oversee a move to Las Vegas, and you know,

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01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:40,679
Speaker 1: he's had problems with locker rooms in the past. I've

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01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:43,360
Speaker 1: written about this, where you know, guys think that maybe

2195
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:46,000
Speaker 1: he says things one way but does things another way.

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01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:48,839
Speaker 1: He's hard to trust. And to be in that position

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01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:52,360
Speaker 1: already where you're letting the best player on your team

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01:47:52,479 --> 01:47:56,439
Speaker 1: go unsigned and you're not in the room lobbying for him,

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01:47:56,439 --> 01:47:59,320
Speaker 1: pounding the table for him, that that says a lot

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01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:02,000
Speaker 1: more to Guy's than anything that you can tell them

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01:48:02,120 --> 01:48:05,519
Speaker 1: behind the closed doors. Another thing you wrote about, which

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01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:07,599
Speaker 1: of course we have interest here in Buffalo, is the

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01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:10,439
Speaker 1: Patriots and the drama that sort of dominated all the

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01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:14,639
Speaker 1: Patriots news from you know, February till August has gone.

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01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:16,639
Speaker 1: Now the Patriots seemed to be gone about their business

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01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:19,720
Speaker 1: and probably are in line to win another division title here,

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01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:22,880
Speaker 1: I would think, huh yeah. And it's always you know,

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01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 1: I hate to even bring it up because you know,

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01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:29,040
Speaker 1: every year be forecast the demise of Brady and Belichick

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01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:30,800
Speaker 1: or the start of the demise, and they're back in

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01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:33,960
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, the AFC Championship. But I think that

2212
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:37,280
Speaker 1: we are nearing an end. I mean, it's it's easy

2213
01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:39,479
Speaker 1: to say that right that the end is in sight somewhere,

2214
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:41,839
Speaker 1: but I think that there are a lot of factors

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01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:45,000
Speaker 1: at play that just can't be sustained months longer. That

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01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:48,040
Speaker 1: being said, who knows. I mean, you know, they've allowed

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01:48:48,040 --> 01:48:50,360
Speaker 1: Tom Brady to have his personal guru back in the

2218
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:53,080
Speaker 1: locker room and on the team flights, and everything seems

2219
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:56,040
Speaker 1: very sunny and as long as they can overcome what's

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01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:58,360
Speaker 1: happened at the receiver position for them this year. I

2221
01:48:58,360 --> 01:49:00,720
Speaker 1: think that everything's going to be fun. And one more

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01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:02,920
Speaker 1: item you mentioned as far as your things ten things

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01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:04,920
Speaker 1: keep an eye on, and I need you to amplify

2224
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:06,640
Speaker 1: a little bit what you're writing about here. The new

2225
01:49:06,720 --> 01:49:10,000
Speaker 1: RPO run pass option, which the Eagles popularized last year

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01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:12,479
Speaker 1: and the end of they also ran coach, what do

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01:49:12,479 --> 01:49:13,920
Speaker 1: you see there? Connor? What do you? What do you

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01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:16,639
Speaker 1: what are you saying there? Well, I mean, dud Peterson,

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01:49:17,160 --> 01:49:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, there was a lot of stuff. You know,

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01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:20,439
Speaker 1: I got was lucky enough to get to go there

2231
01:49:20,439 --> 01:49:22,639
Speaker 1: after the Super Bowl and sort of watch what they

2232
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:24,840
Speaker 1: were doing on film and how they were coming up

2233
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:27,880
Speaker 1: with these plays that isolated their best players that just

2234
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:31,720
Speaker 1: stun defenses this year against things that nobody's seen in

2235
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:34,760
Speaker 1: the NFL. And that's the way that you win games now.

2236
01:49:34,920 --> 01:49:39,320
Speaker 1: And I think that the older coaches, who are you know,

2237
01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:41,439
Speaker 1: just sort of hoping that the league comes back around

2238
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:43,479
Speaker 1: to what they do, well, I think that they're going

2239
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:45,880
Speaker 1: to be, you know, not long for this world. I

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01:49:45,880 --> 01:49:48,960
Speaker 1: think that you know, I hate to use the word analytics,

2241
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:51,960
Speaker 1: but the people who are using some of this stuff

2242
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:53,680
Speaker 1: which the Eagles did to come up with a lot

2243
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:56,439
Speaker 1: of their plays this year. The people that are pushing

2244
01:49:56,439 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 1: the stuff forward and moving the needle are going to

2245
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:00,360
Speaker 1: be the ones that are getting the job, and I

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01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:03,800
Speaker 1: think that owners especially are going to become more perceptive

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01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:07,320
Speaker 1: of that. As scoring becomes the absolutely end all be

2248
01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:09,559
Speaker 1: all here. It's got to be a good development for

2249
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:12,400
Speaker 1: the league, I would think for the quality of the game. Huh. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: especially after a year you know, last year right where

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01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:18,280
Speaker 1: I think it was the second lowest scoring season since

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01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:21,759
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, and they hate to see distance scoring.

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01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:24,320
Speaker 1: So I think that this is going to be offense, offense, offense,

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01:50:24,360 --> 01:50:25,800
Speaker 1: and the guys who are putting the points on the

2255
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:27,680
Speaker 1: board are going to continue to be the guys that

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01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:30,760
Speaker 1: are getting head coached job. Interesting stuff. Kinder, thanks for

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01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:32,720
Speaker 1: spending a few minutes with us here today. We appreciate it.

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01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:34,840
Speaker 1: Thanks Connor, Thank you, guys, appreciate it kind of or

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01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:38,559
Speaker 1: our staff writer for Sports Illustrated, contributor for MMQB, former

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01:50:38,640 --> 01:50:41,760
Speaker 1: reporter for NFL dot Com. Ten People, Places, and Things

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01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:44,559
Speaker 1: that will define the league in twenty eighteen. Really good stuff.

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01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:46,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, I guess I hadn't thought about that,

2263
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:52,960
Speaker 1: But the strategic changes the new RPO run pass option.

2264
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:55,439
Speaker 1: What the Eagles did last year means something as to

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01:50:55,560 --> 01:50:58,439
Speaker 1: who's calling the plays designing these offenses. Yeah, and not

2266
01:50:58,600 --> 01:51:03,240
Speaker 1: even just the RPO. How about the what Sean McVay

2267
01:51:03,479 --> 01:51:07,240
Speaker 1: did out in LA with the Rams. I mean he

2268
01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:11,720
Speaker 1: has helped Jared Goff immensely just by being in his

2269
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:15,040
Speaker 1: ear as the play, as the plays are about to happen,

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01:51:15,439 --> 01:51:20,000
Speaker 1: helping him maximize their efficiency on one individual play. And

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01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:23,400
Speaker 1: that to me, for what he's able to do with him,

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01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:26,040
Speaker 1: that's got to be a trend in which they're going

2273
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:29,160
Speaker 1: to where maybe it becomes a little bit more college

2274
01:51:29,160 --> 01:51:33,760
Speaker 1: oriented and it moves away from the the tendencies of

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01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:37,200
Speaker 1: old in the NFL in terms of, you know, run

2276
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:39,040
Speaker 1: and stop the run, run and stop the run. I

2277
01:51:39,080 --> 01:51:43,280
Speaker 1: think this is this is an intriguing trend and I

2278
01:51:43,439 --> 01:51:45,760
Speaker 1: really can't wait to see how the NFL evolved. When

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01:51:45,800 --> 01:51:48,000
Speaker 1: you say college oriented, you got me thinking about what

2280
01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:51,160
Speaker 1: I really don't like about college football. I know when

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01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:53,640
Speaker 1: the entire offense stands and stares at the sideline you

2282
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:56,719
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about every play and they hold

2283
01:51:56,760 --> 01:51:58,439
Speaker 1: up the cards and show them what you know. I

2284
01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:00,519
Speaker 1: do know that you know Rex d fun of it.

2285
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:03,360
Speaker 1: Remember the game of Philadelphia well pictures of chicken wings.

2286
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:05,080
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying you can make fun of it

2287
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:06,800
Speaker 1: and ignore it, but I'd hate to see the game

2288
01:52:07,160 --> 01:52:09,680
Speaker 1: devolved into coach ball like that. I don't think it

2289
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:12,000
Speaker 1: will go that far because I think the players are

2290
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:15,240
Speaker 1: too good to to overcome it. I mean, I know

2291
01:52:15,439 --> 01:52:18,679
Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking about, Like Baylor when when Briles

2292
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:21,360
Speaker 1: was there and how they just walked off the same

2293
01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:24,120
Speaker 1: thing with Texas Tech and Leech. That's because they were

2294
01:52:24,120 --> 01:52:26,840
Speaker 1: going up against subpark competition. So I think lot of

2295
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:29,120
Speaker 1: teams in college football do that. Yeah, they do. They

2296
01:52:29,160 --> 01:52:31,840
Speaker 1: certainly do. So I don't think it'll get to that point.

2297
01:52:31,880 --> 01:52:35,000
Speaker 1: But I think just seeing how the defense is set

2298
01:52:35,080 --> 01:52:37,000
Speaker 1: up and being at the line of scrimmage and then

2299
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:38,920
Speaker 1: just saying, hey, here's what I'm saying, and then and

2300
01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:42,320
Speaker 1: then having it there just start for the quarterbacks knowledge

2301
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:45,040
Speaker 1: and decision making. I think that could be a quarterback's

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01:52:45,080 --> 01:52:46,760
Speaker 1: best friend. All right, we got a lot more to

2303
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:48,760
Speaker 1: talk about. Let's work at a few calls here. People

2304
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:50,240
Speaker 1: have been waiting for a minute or two. Mike on

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01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:55,639
Speaker 1: the line in amorous Mike, go ahead, you're on the air, Hi, John, Hi. Yeah,

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01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:59,640
Speaker 1: I think your memories a little off on that preseason

2307
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:03,599
Speaker 1: game Robert James. It was the opening game at Rich

2308
01:53:04,760 --> 01:53:07,400
Speaker 1: and I think I remember I was there the open

2309
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:12,800
Speaker 1: kickoff for Washington went to return for returned for a touchdown,

2310
01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:16,400
Speaker 1: and I believe that Robert James was on the kickoff

2311
01:53:16,439 --> 01:53:18,680
Speaker 1: coverage and he blew his knee out. Now I don't

2312
01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:21,400
Speaker 1: think so. I was at both games. Actually, her Mulki

2313
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:24,240
Speaker 1: ran back the kickoff for Washington and the first kickoff

2314
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:26,240
Speaker 1: in the stadium, but Robert James was two years later.

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01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:29,040
Speaker 1: Robert James was seventy five. That the stadium open in

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Speaker 1: seventy three. I don't know. I'm gonna look it up, John, Okay,

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01:53:34,479 --> 01:53:36,439
Speaker 1: I know the stadium open in seventy three and Robert

2318
01:53:36,479 --> 01:53:38,680
Speaker 1: James got hurt in seventy five. Thanks for calling, Mike.

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01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:41,599
Speaker 1: Let's go to uh David and Buffalo. Hi David, you're

2320
01:53:41,600 --> 01:53:45,280
Speaker 1: on the air, Hey John, How you doing okay? Um? Yeah?

2321
01:53:45,320 --> 01:53:48,760
Speaker 1: Actually I was hit that that opener in the first

2322
01:53:48,760 --> 01:53:50,880
Speaker 1: game in Rich Stadium. I was three years old, and

2323
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:55,800
Speaker 1: when Washington ran back the kickoff, I was sixteen years

2324
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:58,880
Speaker 1: old and I cried. Yeah, well, I cried because when

2325
01:53:59,160 --> 01:54:01,080
Speaker 1: back and you know, back in the seventies, when nap

2326
01:54:01,240 --> 01:54:03,320
Speaker 1: Joint used to hold eighty thousand people, it was a

2327
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:08,559
Speaker 1: lot different environment. It was just scary. People are crazy. Yeah,

2328
01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:10,559
Speaker 1: you brought up the Robert James thing, and you know

2329
01:54:10,600 --> 01:54:13,839
Speaker 1: I vaguely remember that for sure. But the worst injury

2330
01:54:13,880 --> 01:54:15,800
Speaker 1: that ever happened in the preseason. And I have one

2331
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:18,439
Speaker 1: more comment after I make this comment, if you'll oblige me,

2332
01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:23,479
Speaker 1: is Daryl Stingley. So he was a talented wide receiver

2333
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:27,679
Speaker 1: for the Patriotte seventy in nineteen seventy eight. He got

2334
01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:30,840
Speaker 1: laid out by Jack Tatum, the dirtiest player in the

2335
01:54:30,920 --> 01:54:33,600
Speaker 1: league in the mid seventies, and he was proud of it.

2336
01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:36,520
Speaker 1: And he was paralyzed and he never walked again. Yeah,

2337
01:54:36,720 --> 01:54:41,640
Speaker 1: terrible preseason. That was a preseason game, and so we

2338
01:54:41,960 --> 01:54:44,960
Speaker 1: remember there used to be six preseason games as well. Yeah,

2339
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:47,120
Speaker 1: now now we're down to floor. Can we just use

2340
01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:49,160
Speaker 1: some common sense and get it down to two? And

2341
01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:52,120
Speaker 1: the last thing I have to say is Jarvis Landry

2342
01:54:52,160 --> 01:54:53,960
Speaker 1: is a punk and someone should bust him in his mouth.

2343
01:54:54,200 --> 01:54:59,280
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I don't disagree. Rich in Buffalo, Hello,

2344
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:02,560
Speaker 1: Richard on the air, Gentleman, good afternoon. I did like

2345
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:04,600
Speaker 1: what Joe said before the top of the hour about

2346
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:07,400
Speaker 1: one home game won away game for preseason. But let's

2347
01:55:07,400 --> 01:55:11,320
Speaker 1: be frank, gentleman. The NFL is all about making the money. Yeah,

2348
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:13,560
Speaker 1: we know, it really don't care about the players. They

2349
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:16,560
Speaker 1: just want the bottom line, the revenue. I mean, season

2350
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:20,280
Speaker 1: ticket holders are forced to pay for two preseason games

2351
01:55:20,280 --> 01:55:23,000
Speaker 1: at full price. I mean, it's all about the money.

2352
01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:25,360
Speaker 1: I know. Let me just interrupt you for a second,

2353
01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:27,840
Speaker 1: rich because Connor made a good point Joe about that

2354
01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:31,360
Speaker 1: mid season injury streak that happened last year. If that

2355
01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:34,040
Speaker 1: were I'm not rooting for this, by the way, but

2356
01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:37,320
Speaker 1: if that were to ever happen in preseason, owners would

2357
01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:39,400
Speaker 1: be motivated to say, what are we doing. We're killing

2358
01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:42,360
Speaker 1: our real product here with these four preseason games. And

2359
01:55:42,440 --> 01:55:44,680
Speaker 1: I think that might turn into the financial the kind

2360
01:55:44,680 --> 01:55:47,839
Speaker 1: of financial motivation that you see you think is necessary,

2361
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:51,160
Speaker 1: rich I think you're right. They need motivation not to

2362
01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:54,360
Speaker 1: have you know, the stadium gates open and selling tickets

2363
01:55:54,400 --> 01:55:57,400
Speaker 1: and television rights for preseason games. And maybe the best

2364
01:55:57,400 --> 01:56:00,320
Speaker 1: motivation is to say, all right, have your four preseason games,

2365
01:56:00,360 --> 01:56:02,000
Speaker 1: but your season is going to stink because you lost

2366
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:04,840
Speaker 1: your quarterback. And that's a good point. And that's what's

2367
01:56:04,840 --> 01:56:07,600
Speaker 1: going to be interesting for the next CBA. And yeah,

2368
01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:10,720
Speaker 1: to be quite a scary situation. You know, you never know,

2369
01:56:10,920 --> 01:56:14,840
Speaker 1: strike or walk out whatever. Right. My second point is

2370
01:56:15,600 --> 01:56:18,720
Speaker 1: before the Senci game, I wanted Josh Allen to start

2371
01:56:18,760 --> 01:56:23,760
Speaker 1: the opener game after watching that offensive line. Horrendous offensive line.

2372
01:56:24,280 --> 01:56:27,400
Speaker 1: What is the development He is going to be running

2373
01:56:27,440 --> 01:56:32,840
Speaker 1: for his life taking hits, potentially injury, your career threatening hits.

2374
01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:35,960
Speaker 1: I mean, we're going to engage or evaluate with him

2375
01:56:36,040 --> 01:56:39,200
Speaker 1: with that offensive line until they fix that offensive line.

2376
01:56:39,240 --> 01:56:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm hoping this Sunday after cuts or trade, you know,

2377
01:56:44,200 --> 01:56:48,080
Speaker 1: being likes to make trades. Until we get that offensive

2378
01:56:48,120 --> 01:56:51,960
Speaker 1: line solidified. I won't lie. I feel sorry for McCoy.

2379
01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:55,080
Speaker 1: He's gonna get barbecued in the back. All right, thanks,

2380
01:56:55,360 --> 01:56:58,640
Speaker 1: if I may. On the offensive line point, if you're

2381
01:56:58,840 --> 01:57:02,280
Speaker 1: sitting there hoping for them to get the perfect situation

2382
01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:05,839
Speaker 1: or more solid situation, it ain't coming in twenty eighteen.

2383
01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:08,800
Speaker 1: It's probably not even coming in twenty nineteen. The offensive

2384
01:57:08,840 --> 01:57:13,200
Speaker 1: line play around the league has gotten I want to

2385
01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:16,080
Speaker 1: say to an all time Lobe, just because how we've

2386
01:57:16,120 --> 01:57:19,840
Speaker 1: seen the offensive line and the prospects that are coming

2387
01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:22,400
Speaker 1: out of college and the way that they're taught. I mean,

2388
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:27,960
Speaker 1: NFL teams and coaches are completely frustrated by how offensive

2389
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:31,680
Speaker 1: linemen on a large scale are taught. Which is why

2390
01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:35,640
Speaker 1: you see guys from Iowa and Wisconsin constantly get chances

2391
01:57:35,680 --> 01:57:38,480
Speaker 1: in the NFL because they are one of the two

2392
01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:41,760
Speaker 1: teams that are few in college football that continue to

2393
01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:44,680
Speaker 1: play the pro style system. But that doesn't mean that

2394
01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:46,920
Speaker 1: they're talented enough. It's just that they're well schooled in

2395
01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:49,280
Speaker 1: that in that sense. So if you have all of

2396
01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:54,440
Speaker 1: these balls of clay as offensive linemen around the league

2397
01:57:54,680 --> 01:57:57,520
Speaker 1: and you aren't able to shape them, mold them the

2398
01:57:57,560 --> 01:57:59,840
Speaker 1: way that you want them to, you're going to see

2399
01:57:59,880 --> 01:58:03,080
Speaker 1: what you're what is happening in the NFL today, which

2400
01:58:03,120 --> 01:58:07,160
Speaker 1: is shotty offensive line play all across the board. I mean,

2401
01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:12,400
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as an a heavyweight offensive line anymore.

2402
01:58:12,440 --> 01:58:14,800
Speaker 1: It just doesn't exist. You have to do things in

2403
01:58:14,840 --> 01:58:17,040
Speaker 1: spite of your offensive line, and it's never going to

2404
01:58:17,080 --> 01:58:19,960
Speaker 1: be a perfect situation. Eventually, you're going to have to

2405
01:58:20,040 --> 01:58:23,120
Speaker 1: put the quarterback out there. Josh Allen in this instance

2406
01:58:23,440 --> 01:58:25,600
Speaker 1: and think to yourself, all right, he's probably going to

2407
01:58:25,640 --> 01:58:28,640
Speaker 1: take some hits, just like every quarterback in the NFL will. Yeah,

2408
01:58:28,720 --> 01:58:31,240
Speaker 1: I told you this yesterday. We were talking during commercial break.

2409
01:58:31,320 --> 01:58:33,320
Speaker 1: I had a I won't give you his name, but

2410
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:36,320
Speaker 1: he's a very respected personnel analyst. He's in the Hall

2411
01:58:36,360 --> 01:58:39,200
Speaker 1: of Fame. Tell me that teams should not draft offensive

2412
01:58:39,200 --> 01:58:41,200
Speaker 1: lineman in the first or second He said, maybe not

2413
01:58:41,240 --> 01:58:43,920
Speaker 1: even the third round anymore, because of exactly what you say.

2414
01:58:43,960 --> 01:58:47,000
Speaker 1: They're not ready to contribute yet at the NFL level

2415
01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:48,880
Speaker 1: for the most part. And you can get by with

2416
01:58:48,960 --> 01:58:52,520
Speaker 1: getting big, outsize guys who take up space and design

2417
01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:55,000
Speaker 1: your run block, end pass protection schemes in a certain

2418
01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:57,360
Speaker 1: way so that you're not asking to do too much

2419
01:58:57,360 --> 01:58:59,440
Speaker 1: because they're not capable of doing too much coming out

2420
01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:01,600
Speaker 1: of college food. The coaches have to be smarter, They

2421
01:59:01,640 --> 01:59:03,760
Speaker 1: have to be able to hide things. I mean, it

2422
01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:06,640
Speaker 1: is good if you can get two or three solid

2423
01:59:06,640 --> 01:59:08,680
Speaker 1: offensive linement so that way you don't have to try

2424
01:59:08,680 --> 01:59:12,920
Speaker 1: and hide an entire offensive line. But it's becoming increasingly

2425
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:17,960
Speaker 1: harder to find and have three to four solid offensive

2426
01:59:17,960 --> 01:59:20,560
Speaker 1: linemen on your team without having much of a discrepancy. Ye,

2427
01:59:20,640 --> 01:59:23,040
Speaker 1: we'll talk more about this. We'll talk about quarterbacks and

2428
01:59:23,600 --> 01:59:26,040
Speaker 1: what you think about the quarterback picture for Thursday in

2429
01:59:26,120 --> 01:59:29,000
Speaker 1: Chicago and September ninth against Baltimore. Give us a call.

2430
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:30,840
Speaker 1: We got some phone lines open eight oh three oh

2431
01:59:30,920 --> 01:59:33,600
Speaker 1: five fifty and toll free one eight eight eight five

2432
01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:36,600
Speaker 1: fifty two five fifty. Joe and I backmanmore one bills

2433
01:59:36,640 --> 01:59:52,080
Speaker 1: Live from One Bill's Drive on Buffalo Bill's Radio. We're

2434
01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:54,520
Speaker 1: back one Bills Live. Joe Viscalius here filling in seed

2435
01:59:54,560 --> 01:59:57,880
Speaker 1: Tasker rejoins us on Thursday from Chicago. Got a few

2436
01:59:57,880 --> 01:59:59,560
Speaker 1: minutes left in the show. Today We've got an NFL

2437
01:59:59,600 --> 02:00:01,720
Speaker 1: true and it's coming up with time to take a

2438
02:00:01,720 --> 02:00:04,400
Speaker 1: few more phone calls. Your thoughts on Thursday's game Sunday

2439
02:00:04,440 --> 02:00:07,680
Speaker 1: September nine, Who should play quarterback in either of those games?

2440
02:00:07,680 --> 02:00:11,280
Speaker 1: And whether the starter on Thursday should play on Sunday

2441
02:00:11,320 --> 02:00:13,720
Speaker 1: September ninth. Of course, not right, just no, no, no,

2442
02:00:14,160 --> 02:00:16,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think there's a case. No, you

2443
02:00:16,880 --> 02:00:18,800
Speaker 1: can't make the case. What do you need to see more?

2444
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:22,680
Speaker 1: But you should make McDermott might, he might, he might.

2445
02:00:23,200 --> 02:00:25,520
Speaker 1: Let's go to Bob an Orchard Park. Hello, Bob, welcome,

2446
02:00:25,520 --> 02:00:31,320
Speaker 1: you're on the air. Hi, John Hi. Regarding Robert James, Yes,

2447
02:00:32,040 --> 02:00:36,200
Speaker 1: career ended when he was tackled by none other than

2448
02:00:36,280 --> 02:00:40,360
Speaker 1: Lawrence McCutchen. Former Bill intercept that a pass and was

2449
02:00:40,400 --> 02:00:45,680
Speaker 1: tackled by h Lawrence McCutchen. Yeah, summer of seventy five, right,

2450
02:00:46,640 --> 02:00:51,040
Speaker 1: I think so, Yeah, it wasn't seventy three. Okay, thanks,

2451
02:00:51,080 --> 02:00:53,760
Speaker 1: just looking for vindication. I am kind of yeah. I

2452
02:00:53,880 --> 02:00:55,480
Speaker 1: was at both games. I mean, it's not like I

2453
02:00:55,520 --> 02:00:57,640
Speaker 1: read this. I remember Robert James getting hurt, and I

2454
02:00:57,680 --> 02:00:59,440
Speaker 1: remember the first game. And for what it's worth, I

2455
02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:02,920
Speaker 1: just went up on his NFL dot com page and

2456
02:01:03,080 --> 02:01:07,240
Speaker 1: on his game log it says he played in sixteen

2457
02:01:07,320 --> 02:01:11,040
Speaker 1: total games in nineteen seventy four, including well fifteen games

2458
02:01:11,080 --> 02:01:13,560
Speaker 1: including a playoff game, and then played in the Pro

2459
02:01:13,600 --> 02:01:15,480
Speaker 1: Bowl in seventy four. How many years in the league

2460
02:01:15,520 --> 02:01:18,400
Speaker 1: for Robert James. It was from sixty nine to seventy four,

2461
02:01:18,480 --> 02:01:20,920
Speaker 1: So five years, five years, three Pro Bowls in five years.

2462
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:24,560
Speaker 1: Pretty good player. Here is Bill in Archer Park. Hello,

2463
02:01:24,640 --> 02:01:26,400
Speaker 1: really good player, Bill. Go ahead, you're on the ear.

2464
02:01:26,800 --> 02:01:30,280
Speaker 1: Are you gonna good? Real good? Um? This a comment

2465
02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:33,640
Speaker 1: about when I worked for the Bill's Back with Chuck Knox.

2466
02:01:35,520 --> 02:01:37,480
Speaker 1: When I took my first high school job. I coached

2467
02:01:37,480 --> 02:01:39,280
Speaker 1: college first at the University of Buffalo, but then I

2468
02:01:39,320 --> 02:01:42,120
Speaker 1: went took ahead high school job at Pavilion Central, and

2469
02:01:42,240 --> 02:01:44,000
Speaker 1: Chuck Knox called me in the office when I had

2470
02:01:44,040 --> 02:01:47,160
Speaker 1: then he told me, he says, if you have a

2471
02:01:47,200 --> 02:01:51,040
Speaker 1: super good skill position people, it makes lineman better players.

2472
02:01:51,640 --> 02:01:53,440
Speaker 1: And I agree with that because if you look at

2473
02:01:53,440 --> 02:01:56,160
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots. Okay, and I know a lot

2474
02:01:56,160 --> 02:01:58,040
Speaker 1: of people in Buffalo don't like to New England Patriots,

2475
02:01:58,080 --> 02:01:59,960
Speaker 1: but you got to give him a credit. Their lineman's

2476
02:02:00,120 --> 02:02:01,920
Speaker 1: not They're not the greatest lineman in the world. But

2477
02:02:02,160 --> 02:02:05,760
Speaker 1: with Brady back there and Grenkowski and good and Edelman's

2478
02:02:05,760 --> 02:02:08,640
Speaker 1: air receivers and stuff like that, it makes lineman better

2479
02:02:08,640 --> 02:02:11,000
Speaker 1: players in the National Football League and also in college

2480
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:13,440
Speaker 1: and also in high school. Yeah, And I mean sometimes

2481
02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:15,440
Speaker 1: we forget about that. And I understand what the guys

2482
02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:18,080
Speaker 1: saying about Iowa was because I scouted Iowa. You know,

2483
02:02:18,120 --> 02:02:20,280
Speaker 1: I scouted Iowa and a couple of these other schools,

2484
02:02:20,280 --> 02:02:22,360
Speaker 1: and they got great lineman, There's no question about it.

2485
02:02:22,680 --> 02:02:26,040
Speaker 1: But alignment is alignment, and if you've got good skill positions.

2486
02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:27,880
Speaker 1: They get they feel, hey, this guy can do the

2487
02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:29,680
Speaker 1: job for me. I'm gonna block a little bit harder.

2488
02:02:29,960 --> 02:02:32,320
Speaker 1: Same thing happening when Don in Dallas, when he brought

2489
02:02:32,360 --> 02:02:35,240
Speaker 1: to another quarterback in I think that they really respected

2490
02:02:35,320 --> 02:02:37,520
Speaker 1: him and throw on a football and I think it

2491
02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:40,320
Speaker 1: made the line. Everybody was talking about how great Dallas

2492
02:02:40,360 --> 02:02:43,760
Speaker 1: his line was. And that's just my feet on I

2493
02:02:43,760 --> 02:02:45,680
Speaker 1: got and Bill, I think you make a really good point.

2494
02:02:45,760 --> 02:02:48,040
Speaker 1: And it's not just guys playing harder. And Joe, I

2495
02:02:48,040 --> 02:02:50,160
Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on this. It's being able

2496
02:02:50,160 --> 02:02:53,080
Speaker 1: to make plays quicker, so the quarterback gets the quarterbacks

2497
02:02:53,120 --> 02:02:55,960
Speaker 1: better and got better skill position guys. Ball's coming out quicker.

2498
02:02:56,000 --> 02:02:57,720
Speaker 1: You don't have to pass protect this long. Have you've

2499
02:02:57,720 --> 02:03:00,640
Speaker 1: got Lashawn McCoy as a good skill position guy, You're

2500
02:03:00,640 --> 02:03:02,400
Speaker 1: gonna look better as a run blocker. I think you're

2501
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:05,240
Speaker 1: absolutely right, And I might add coaching plays a role

2502
02:03:05,280 --> 02:03:07,560
Speaker 1: in this too, Joe, and I anticipate is as poorly

2503
02:03:07,600 --> 02:03:10,720
Speaker 1: as the offensive line played this past Sunday and even

2504
02:03:10,720 --> 02:03:13,240
Speaker 1: the week before against Cleveland, I think they're gonna be

2505
02:03:13,360 --> 02:03:16,600
Speaker 1: okay when the season begins, just because I think you know,

2506
02:03:16,680 --> 02:03:18,560
Speaker 1: they know These coaches know what they're looking at and

2507
02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:20,680
Speaker 1: they know how to get around some of the issues

2508
02:03:20,680 --> 02:03:22,440
Speaker 1: they've encountered the last two weeks, and they're not going

2509
02:03:22,480 --> 02:03:25,400
Speaker 1: to do that in a preseason game. Just look at

2510
02:03:25,400 --> 02:03:27,240
Speaker 1: the first couple of series at the Carolina game. They

2511
02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:29,160
Speaker 1: know what they're doing. I think the coaching will make

2512
02:03:29,160 --> 02:03:31,920
Speaker 1: this offensive line look better and play better. I will

2513
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:35,280
Speaker 1: say though, that I don't think it's all of a

2514
02:03:35,320 --> 02:03:38,800
Speaker 1: sudden you can throw some elixer on the offensive line

2515
02:03:38,800 --> 02:03:40,840
Speaker 1: and say, hey, play harder because you have a better

2516
02:03:40,840 --> 02:03:44,160
Speaker 1: player behind you know there's harder. There's there's a talent thing, though,

2517
02:03:44,240 --> 02:03:47,640
Speaker 1: and there's a major talent gap between offensive lineman today

2518
02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:51,120
Speaker 1: and defensive lineman today because guess what, more people want

2519
02:03:51,160 --> 02:03:53,680
Speaker 1: to play on the defensive line than the offensive line

2520
02:03:53,800 --> 02:03:57,120
Speaker 1: and the defensive line are are are getting more skilled

2521
02:03:57,120 --> 02:04:00,440
Speaker 1: and more areas. They're getting bigger, faster, stronger. I mean,

2522
02:04:00,640 --> 02:04:04,960
Speaker 1: look at the emphasis put on interior pressure in today's

2523
02:04:05,040 --> 02:04:08,480
Speaker 1: NFL as opposed to anything, and guards and centers are

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Speaker 1: complete weaknesses all across the league. It is not just

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02:04:11,680 --> 02:04:13,920
Speaker 1: a Buffalo thing, and it's not just a New York

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02:04:13,960 --> 02:04:16,640
Speaker 1: Jets thing. It's not just a Miami Dolphins thing. It's

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Speaker 1: all across the NFL because that's how much of an

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Speaker 1: emphasis people are putting on it. So I get what

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Speaker 1: you're saying to try and get get these guys to

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Speaker 1: try and buy into the things you're trying to teach

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02:04:29,560 --> 02:04:32,240
Speaker 1: them at an NFL level, But there's just a talent

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02:04:32,280 --> 02:04:35,200
Speaker 1: gap there. And and I don't. I don't, I honestly

2533
02:04:35,200 --> 02:04:36,960
Speaker 1: don't know what the fix is. I really don't. I

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02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:38,640
Speaker 1: think that the game is just going to have to

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Speaker 1: evolve thinking that, Okay, offensive line isn't going to be

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Speaker 1: good for us. It just and try and find ways

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Speaker 1: to get an edge elsewhere. Days of a dominant offensive line, yeah,

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02:04:47,640 --> 02:04:50,280
Speaker 1: probably gone. Probably gone. Yeah, But a good offensive line

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02:04:50,280 --> 02:04:53,000
Speaker 1: you can be good still. Dallas a couple of years ago,

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02:04:53,320 --> 02:04:55,760
Speaker 1: or maybe Dallas, yeah a couple of years ago was

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02:04:55,800 --> 02:05:00,919
Speaker 1: the best instance of a dominant offensive line, but that's gone.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they have a lot of questions along their

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02:05:03,200 --> 02:05:05,960
Speaker 1: offensive blood. You all right, time help for NFL True

2544
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:08,040
Speaker 1: or False. It is brought to you by yan Z's

2545
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Speaker 1: Fancy New York's artist and Cheese. We look at some

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02:05:10,120 --> 02:05:11,960
Speaker 1: of the issues, some of the reporting going on around

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02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:15,120
Speaker 1: the NFL and trying to guess if they're true or false.

2548
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Speaker 1: Here we go the Jaguars. We talked about Marquis Lee.

2549
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:20,160
Speaker 1: He has done the rest of the year. The Jaguars

2550
02:05:20,200 --> 02:05:24,120
Speaker 1: should sign Dez Bryant. Doug Marron was asked about it yesterday.

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02:05:24,160 --> 02:05:27,560
Speaker 1: I mean, without Marquis Lee and they just signed into

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Speaker 1: a contract. The Jags are looking at Keelan Cole, d

2553
02:05:30,240 --> 02:05:35,120
Speaker 1: d Westbrook, Dante Moncrief, second round picked DJ Shark. Maron

2554
02:05:35,200 --> 02:05:37,440
Speaker 1: said yesterday he was confident and who's got on the roster,

2555
02:05:37,560 --> 02:05:39,760
Speaker 1: but he did not rule out the idea of signing

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02:05:39,800 --> 02:05:43,480
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant, a free agent former Dallas Cowboys receiver. Jag

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02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:46,640
Speaker 1: should reign, should sign Dez Bryant Joe true false false.

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02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:51,440
Speaker 1: I just can't see Dez Bryant and Doug Moron co

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02:05:51,600 --> 02:05:54,960
Speaker 1: existing to the point in which they need to. Also,

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02:05:55,240 --> 02:05:57,720
Speaker 1: I think they do still have some good young talent

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02:05:57,720 --> 02:06:01,920
Speaker 1: at wide receiver. I was interested in their signing of

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02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:04,640
Speaker 1: Dante Moncrief. I think that's a guy who has always

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Speaker 1: had the potential, has dealt with injuries in Indianapolis, kind

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02:06:07,280 --> 02:06:11,400
Speaker 1: of went through and was a little lackluster last year

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02:06:11,440 --> 02:06:14,080
Speaker 1: without Andrew luck President. I think that kind of did

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02:06:14,160 --> 02:06:17,720
Speaker 1: a number on him, But I wonder if he can

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02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:21,200
Speaker 1: step up in the place of Marquis Lay. I say true.

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02:06:21,360 --> 02:06:23,960
Speaker 1: I think we're August twenty eighth year, the seasons approaching.

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02:06:24,200 --> 02:06:27,520
Speaker 1: The Jaguars, I think consider themselves a playoff contender, maybe

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Speaker 1: even a championship contender. And you can't really blame him.

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02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:32,839
Speaker 1: As far as they went last year. I don't consider

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Speaker 1: them that, but I'm sure they do. But as does

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02:06:34,560 --> 02:06:37,960
Speaker 1: Brian still good. I think he's good enough to play

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02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:39,760
Speaker 1: and help to help they've got. I think he's average

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02:06:39,800 --> 02:06:44,280
Speaker 1: at this point. Okay, we disagree. Let's move on to

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02:06:44,320 --> 02:06:47,200
Speaker 1: Part two. NFL tru or false. Adrian Peterson will have

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02:06:47,280 --> 02:06:50,839
Speaker 1: success with Washington. We talked with Greg Cosell about this yesterday.

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02:06:51,080 --> 02:06:54,440
Speaker 1: Thirty three years of age, eleven carries in his preseason debut,

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02:06:54,480 --> 02:06:57,600
Speaker 1: The lost to Denver last Friday night, fifty six yards.

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02:06:57,640 --> 02:07:00,920
Speaker 1: Trent Williams, left tackle Pro Bowl left for the Washington

2581
02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:03,440
Speaker 1: said he surely doesn't look like he lost a step.

2582
02:07:03,720 --> 02:07:06,760
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson will have success in Washington at age thirty

2583
02:07:06,760 --> 02:07:09,440
Speaker 1: three True false, Joe, I'm gonna go false on this.

2584
02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:11,360
Speaker 1: I think he's on a bad team and I think

2585
02:07:11,840 --> 02:07:14,280
Speaker 1: thirty three years old is beyond what you're looking for

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02:07:14,280 --> 02:07:17,080
Speaker 1: from a running back. He might have moderate success, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think he'll be a difference maker for them.

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02:07:18,880 --> 02:07:21,839
Speaker 1: I'd also like to define what success is in this instance,

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02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:26,880
Speaker 1: because if it's hey, get him five carries a game

2590
02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:28,800
Speaker 1: and see what he can do, then sure, I think

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02:07:28,960 --> 02:07:31,440
Speaker 1: he can be successful in those short burst but he's

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02:07:31,560 --> 02:07:33,200
Speaker 1: not going to be out there a ton I don't think.

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02:07:33,240 --> 02:07:35,040
Speaker 1: I mean, they still have Chris Thompson on the roster,

2594
02:07:35,400 --> 02:07:39,520
Speaker 1: and you want to think that Jay Gruden is going

2595
02:07:39,600 --> 02:07:42,320
Speaker 1: to be able to utilize him the same way that

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02:07:42,360 --> 02:07:44,320
Speaker 1: he did a year ago. So I don't know. I

2597
02:07:45,080 --> 02:07:50,320
Speaker 1: guess moderate success could be attained, but for him to

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02:07:50,480 --> 02:07:52,480
Speaker 1: come in and be the player that he always was. No,

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Speaker 1: that's false. Bill got false on that finally, NFL True

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Speaker 1: or false? Odell Beckham. This came up on the NFL. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're laughing, laughing because I see the title. Yeah, it

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02:08:02,600 --> 02:08:05,040
Speaker 1: came up this morning. None, what's the show, NFL? Get up?

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Speaker 1: No NFL this Good morning, Good morning NFL footwork, Good

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Speaker 1: morning football. Odell Beckham not, can, not, should, Odell Beckham

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Speaker 1: must lead the Giants to the super Bowl. That's what

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02:08:16,520 --> 02:08:18,920
Speaker 1: they were asserting today on Good Morning Football on the

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Speaker 1: NFL network. Must, I don't know, he can't, he won't,

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Speaker 1: I say, false? No, I mean what he's making ridiculous money.

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02:08:27,440 --> 02:08:29,040
Speaker 1: There's no question about This is why you don't pay

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02:08:29,080 --> 02:08:32,800
Speaker 1: receivers ridiculous money. Well, receiver can't do that. Odell Beckham

2611
02:08:32,880 --> 02:08:35,520
Speaker 1: must lead the Giants to the super Bowl. Impossible. False.

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02:08:35,680 --> 02:08:39,160
Speaker 1: You need you need a QB to They don't. They

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02:08:39,160 --> 02:08:42,560
Speaker 1: don't have the QB now to get them to super Bowl.

2614
02:08:42,600 --> 02:08:47,800
Speaker 1: But Odell Beckham can be an integral piece to do it.

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02:08:48,080 --> 02:08:51,760
Speaker 1: And I would pay Odell Beckham that type of money

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02:08:51,800 --> 02:08:55,440
Speaker 1: if it was the right situation. And I think in

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02:08:55,480 --> 02:08:59,320
Speaker 1: this instance it probably is the right situation because Eli

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02:08:59,400 --> 02:09:02,320
Speaker 1: Manning is go through what you would think is last

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02:09:02,400 --> 02:09:06,000
Speaker 1: years in the NFL, if not last year as as

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02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:08,200
Speaker 1: a start of the Giants and the Giants and I

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02:09:08,200 --> 02:09:10,800
Speaker 1: mentioned this yesterday, the Giants have to be in a

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02:09:10,840 --> 02:09:14,520
Speaker 1: situation where they look to the future at the quarterback position,

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02:09:14,840 --> 02:09:17,120
Speaker 1: and by doing so, you could bring in a young

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02:09:17,160 --> 02:09:20,080
Speaker 1: guy first or second round pick, you have him on

2625
02:09:20,120 --> 02:09:22,880
Speaker 1: a rookie contract for four years at least, and then

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02:09:23,160 --> 02:09:25,640
Speaker 1: and then you go from there. And because you have

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02:09:25,720 --> 02:09:27,800
Speaker 1: him on that rookie deal gives you the flexibility to

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02:09:27,800 --> 02:09:30,800
Speaker 1: pay a guy like Odell Beckham junior. So because they

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02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:33,760
Speaker 1: are in the right situation, I am totally on board

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Speaker 1: with paying O'Dell Beckham that type of money. That's not

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02:09:35,680 --> 02:09:38,360
Speaker 1: the question, Joe. I know, I already, I already said

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Speaker 1: that that false. He does not have to us must

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02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:45,440
Speaker 1: is not the right word there. But he can be

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02:09:45,440 --> 02:09:47,600
Speaker 1: a big part. I'm okay with him paying him that much.

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02:09:47,600 --> 02:09:50,520
Speaker 1: I guess. I mean, he's established there. He is a

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Speaker 1: star beyond football. There's one of the bright lights of

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02:09:52,880 --> 02:09:54,720
Speaker 1: the NFL. It's a lot of money, though, And I

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02:09:54,760 --> 02:09:57,120
Speaker 1: don't know if that's the I don't think that's the

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02:09:57,240 --> 02:09:59,360
Speaker 1: prescription for getting to a Super Bowl to pay a

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02:09:59,400 --> 02:10:01,720
Speaker 1: receiver that money. Would you agree with that? Putting the

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02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:05,480
Speaker 1: cart before the horse? Yeah, yeah, you're onto something. If

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02:10:05,480 --> 02:10:08,320
Speaker 1: they had, if they had a quarterback like in waiting,

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02:10:08,720 --> 02:10:10,480
Speaker 1: I think I would be a lot more comfortable. Right

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Speaker 1: there you go. NFL Too or False presented by Yancey's

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Speaker 1: provider of the Buffalo Bills. We had a good show today.

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Speaker 1: But Michael Lopez on. He is the NFL's ran new

2653
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Speaker 1: director of Analytics and Data. Michael Lope has talked about

2654
02:10:54,200 --> 02:10:56,760
Speaker 1: the player tracking data and how the league will use

2655
02:10:56,760 --> 02:11:01,880
Speaker 1: it this year the interest of the games themselves. This

2656
02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:04,160
Speaker 1: will be the first year that the teams that access

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02:11:04,280 --> 02:11:06,800
Speaker 1: to the player tracking data on all the other teams,

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02:11:06,840 --> 02:11:09,640
Speaker 1: and so up until this year, they last a couple

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02:11:09,680 --> 02:11:13,240
Speaker 1: of years they've had just basically their own information. So

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02:11:13,360 --> 02:11:15,160
Speaker 1: in terms of their own players and sort of the

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02:11:15,200 --> 02:11:18,120
Speaker 1: core against in tracting their players to shore, they're sort

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02:11:18,120 --> 02:11:20,640
Speaker 1: of have access to other players. So it'll sort of

2663
02:11:20,640 --> 02:11:23,040
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how our team struck to us

2664
02:11:23,080 --> 02:11:25,600
Speaker 1: that in terms of their evaluation of players on other teams.

2665
02:11:25,720 --> 02:11:28,640
Speaker 1: Interesting twists the league getting involved in the data and

2666
02:11:28,720 --> 02:11:31,240
Speaker 1: player tracking. Also on the show today, we at Charles

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Speaker 1: Robinson senior NFL writer for Yahoo Sports dot Com. You're

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Speaker 1: writing a great story about the Raiders and Khalail Mack,

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02:11:37,320 --> 02:11:40,560
Speaker 1: their stalemate and contract negotiations and where he sees that

2670
02:11:40,640 --> 02:11:44,840
Speaker 1: going in the near future. If the Raiders are one

2671
02:11:44,960 --> 02:11:48,400
Speaker 1: hundred percent committed to not cave in, they will win

2672
02:11:48,720 --> 02:11:52,760
Speaker 1: because they have the leverage of knowing heat no matter what,

2673
02:11:52,840 --> 02:11:55,520
Speaker 1: he has to report to get an accrued season. So

2674
02:11:55,560 --> 02:11:58,480
Speaker 1: if he wants to be able to hit free agency

2675
02:11:58,520 --> 02:12:01,040
Speaker 1: next year, he's got to be there for regular season games.

2676
02:12:01,040 --> 02:12:02,840
Speaker 1: He can't sit out the season or it will toll.

2677
02:12:03,600 --> 02:12:06,920
Speaker 1: And so I think that's part of it. And at

2678
02:12:06,920 --> 02:12:10,920
Speaker 1: the same time, if they're willing to go through the

2679
02:12:11,000 --> 02:12:13,800
Speaker 1: nastiness and deal with an unhappy player. And when I

2680
02:12:13,840 --> 02:12:16,240
Speaker 1: was there, I asked, if he comes in, he's not

2681
02:12:16,240 --> 02:12:18,080
Speaker 1: gonna be happy, you know that, right? And what I

2682
02:12:18,160 --> 02:12:20,960
Speaker 1: was pulled is we're prepared to deal with that. Interesting

2683
02:12:21,160 --> 02:12:22,840
Speaker 1: If what does that mean, you think, Joe, we're prepared

2684
02:12:22,880 --> 02:12:25,440
Speaker 1: to do And what would an unhappy Khalil Mack look like?

2685
02:12:25,440 --> 02:12:27,240
Speaker 1: What would he play like? It's hard to imagine him

2686
02:12:27,280 --> 02:12:30,920
Speaker 1: being any less effective than he has been, I know.

2687
02:12:31,000 --> 02:12:34,000
Speaker 1: I mean maybe if he just plays angry it's going

2688
02:12:34,040 --> 02:12:36,040
Speaker 1: to give him more of an en. Yeah, I don't know.

2689
02:12:36,080 --> 02:12:38,560
Speaker 1: I hate to see him playing any harder or more intense. Right,

2690
02:12:38,920 --> 02:12:40,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like there's a trade in the offing.

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02:12:40,760 --> 02:12:43,360
Speaker 1: Would you agree talking to Charles Robinson about it, No, yeah,

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02:12:43,920 --> 02:12:45,800
Speaker 1: at least not at this point. It doesn't seem like

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02:12:45,880 --> 02:12:48,080
Speaker 1: that's the direction they're going. It just seems to be

2694
02:12:48,120 --> 02:12:51,840
Speaker 1: a stalemate. By the way, some late breaking news if

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02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:54,560
Speaker 1: you want to call it that. Sure, Tyler Bray, the

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02:12:54,600 --> 02:12:56,840
Speaker 1: Bears third string quarterback, is going to play the entire game.

2697
02:12:56,880 --> 02:13:00,360
Speaker 1: Matt Maggie just announced. So, okay, get Ready is gonna

2698
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Speaker 1: play for Buffalo. What are you looking for Thursday night

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Speaker 1: in Chicago. I think I think Josh Allen is gonna

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Speaker 1: get some time. I do. I think he needs to,

2701
02:13:06,920 --> 02:13:09,800
Speaker 1: because these are the last live reps for him until

2702
02:13:10,160 --> 02:13:12,560
Speaker 1: things really go live in the regular season when they

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02:13:12,640 --> 02:13:15,320
Speaker 1: name him the starter and whenever that is, whether it

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02:13:15,360 --> 02:13:17,880
Speaker 1: be at some point in twenty eighteen. But then I

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Speaker 1: think we're gonna see a lot of AJ McCarron try to,

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02:13:21,920 --> 02:13:25,640
Speaker 1: you know, get him on this team, maybe maybe push

2707
02:13:25,720 --> 02:13:28,440
Speaker 1: for something, maybe they try to showcase him. Who who knows,

2708
02:13:28,520 --> 02:13:30,960
Speaker 1: But I think those are the two that I would

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Speaker 1: see play, and maybe he has Peterman going there for

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Speaker 1: like three handoffs or something. Okay, it'll be fun. Joe,

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Speaker 1: thank you for this. You'd been great the last two days.

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Speaker 1: Hope to get jinery in sometime soon. Thanks sounds great, man,

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Speaker 1: Joe Pascotia from WKBWTV Channel seven. Steve is back on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: We're live in Chicago on Thursday. Our production assistant George Blast,

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Speaker 1: chef Colton Thomas, honold Or, Kelly Rude, JJ Turito, Kevin Cartis,

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Speaker 1: and James Robell. Our producer Jay Harris. See if Thursday

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