1 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to Between the Horns, presented by your Southern California 2 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: Toyo to Dealers. I'm Cameron Irwood alongside Stu Jackson and 3 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: the Master of Ceremonies DeMarco Farr aka super Bowl champ. 4 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 2: I don't know about that. You know what, Surprisingly, I 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: felt more comfortable out there than anywhere. Isn't that weird? 6 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: You know what? You looked comfortable. You did a phenomenal job. 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: If you didn't get a chance to see, I mean, 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: my goodness, we'll show some clips right now, but we 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: got a chance to celebrate the ninety nine at Super 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: Bowl Champion team. It's a twenty fifth anniversary, and you 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: even got the kicks, you got it all. But DeMarco 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: Farr led the. 13 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: Way I felt good. I mean, that's a good group 14 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: of guys to have with you if you're on a 15 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: football field, right, A couple of Hall of Famers and 16 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: a bunch of tough guys. Yeah good stuff, Yeah so happy. 17 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,639 Speaker 2: Thank you to the Rams for putting that on and 18 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: just special. Can't believe it's been twenty five years. I 19 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: don't look that. 20 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: Old, do I No, you don't. 21 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: Work for you see, and I still got my hair 22 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: how about that? Right, hold on, let me put this up. 23 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: What do you think? See he's pretty good, same guy, right, Yeah, 24 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: I wish I had this. I wish I had this 25 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: guy's knees though. Yeah, and that's. 26 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: An exact moment, right, Yes, this. 27 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: Is from the playoffs. This is the first ever playoff 28 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: game in Saint Louis history. And I had recovered a 29 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 2: fumble by your buddy Jeff George, and he dropped it 30 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 2: right there, said well, thank you very much. And I 31 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 2: was bringing this to my mother like she told me, yeah, 32 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 2: that's me. 33 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: Hey, mom, Well it was an incredible time. Give me 34 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: a chance to see that ninety nine team. Now, that 35 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: might have been probably our biggest highlight coming off the 36 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: loss to Philly. And it was pretty pretty rough in 37 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: some moments, and according to Sean McVay, what he called 38 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: somewhat humbling. However, there were some benchmarks that potentially could shift. 39 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: You're facing an amazing team in the Eagles, right, like 40 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: they bring so much skill offensive, defensive. I have to 41 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: start with where do you kind of assess this loss? 42 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: Where do you begin? 43 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 2: Wow? Well, you guys been how long have you guys 44 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: been watching ball? Like when did you start watching football 45 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: just average. Yeah, five six, Okay, that had to be 46 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: one of the best performances you've ever seen out of 47 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 2: a football player what Saquon Barkley did. So, if you 48 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: play this game long enough, eventually you're going to run 49 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: into a buzzsaw. And unfortunately it happened on primetime, so 50 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: everybody saw it. But I mean, he's good, he has 51 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: a chance for MVP, So I'm not surprised by that. 52 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: I guess I am surprised because there is a path 53 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 2: to victory, to beat good teams, even if they're a 54 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 2: little bit better. And I thought the Rams were following 55 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: the script until you put the ball on the deck 56 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 2: and then things started to happen and they snowballed. You 57 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: got behind. That's where you don't want to be in 58 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: Philadelphia Beaches. So I'm not surprised by that. So it's 59 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 2: not the end of the road. You've still got some 60 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: things to play for, So it's it's only one loss. 61 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: It just so happens that everybody saw it. 62 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, And to your point of Marco two, I mean 63 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 3: it's goes to show the margin for arrogance. Teams like that, 64 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 3: you know that are in the upper echelon of the conference. 65 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: You just can't have the self inflicted mistakes like you 66 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: talked about the fumbles, some of the penalties, miss field 67 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 3: goals that the Rams had if you're trying to make 68 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 3: that competitive and come out with a win. 69 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: And I'm not just picking on one guy and not 70 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: picking on Kyra, and there's a lot of them. I mean, 71 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: I think Jared Verse just learned a very valuable lesson. 72 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 2: That's Jalen Hurts. He can get outside if you go inside. 73 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: So make sure if you you know freelance and try something, 74 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: you don't violate lane integrity or he'll get out. So 75 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: there's lessons to be learned. Some of them in football 76 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: can be painful. 77 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: Well, it is Thanksgiving week and it's actually just the 78 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,839 Speaker 1: day before Thanksgiving, so we have to talk a little 79 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: bit about what we're thankful for coming out of this matchup, 80 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: because I can tell you one the thing, I am 81 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: thankful we do not have to see Saq one again. 82 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: And the second thing, Brandon Fisk still putting on a performance. 83 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: He just seems to just stack. He had a sack 84 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: against Philly for pressures three hurries, and right now he 85 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: is currently leading all rookies with six sacks this season, 86 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: and can you maybe speak to how he led in 87 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: this one? 88 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: Bro? He he is, I just called you, Bro, I'm sorry, 89 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 2: I thank you. I'm bad. But when I see him, 90 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: it's like, wow, he is absolutely flat ass balling. He 91 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 2: is really really balling his butt off. So there's a 92 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: lot more to go. And it's hard because we all 93 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,679 Speaker 2: got to see the greatest to ever do it, Aaron, 94 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 2: so I judge them a little bit differently. But the 95 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: hardest part of playing defensive line that spot is pass rushing. 96 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: You got to play you got to be viable in 97 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 2: the run game and in the pass game. The hardest 98 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: part is pass rushing. Well, he's got that. The other 99 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 2: stuff you can teach him and he's gonna learn. He 100 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 2: learned versus Philadelphia. But that was the first thing. And 101 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: the first guy that the Philadelphia guys wanted to talk about, Well, 102 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: you got Stafford cup Pooka, Jared Versus is about to 103 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 2: be defensive Rookie of the Year, and the first guy 104 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 2: they wanted to talk about was Braden Fisk. So the 105 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 2: secret's out. He can get it home. When you can 106 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 2: rush the passer in today's game, it's very, very valuable, 107 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 2: and it helps your football team no doubt. 108 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 3: I go back to what Kobe Turner told me earlier 109 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 3: this season about how he views Braden Fisk, and he said, 110 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 3: I don't look at him like a normal rookie. And 111 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 3: with the ownership that he's shown and obviously the production 112 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 3: he's had, it's not difficult to see why he's held 113 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 3: in that high regard, even by some of his experienced teammates. 114 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: JB. Long called him Kingpinn on the air. I think 115 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 2: it's gonna stick. Yeah, yeah, have you guys seen Kingpin 116 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 2: from Spider Man? Yeah? Now, I can't unsee it, so 117 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 2: JP might be right. 118 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: Well, I like to tell you guys on a little 119 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: bit of a roller coaster, especially after a loss. So 120 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: we're going to continue the climb here with another nice nugget. 121 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: Puka Nakua has just been impactful, especially after the catch. 122 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: Now that he's back on the field for the Los 123 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: Angeles Rams, his tenth one hundred yard receiving game of 124 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: his career, he's now tied for second most in NFL 125 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: history in a player's first twenty three games. Well, I 126 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: mean he was the target time and time again in 127 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: this matchup. And we're going to need him against the 128 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: Saints now, no doubt. 129 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 2: I think you need him. You know, he's an extension 130 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 2: of the run game. He's a great route runner. So 131 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 2: being on the sidelines is funny and it's fun and 132 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 2: it's funny sometimes because you see these corners and when 133 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: Puka catches it, especially when the ball is delivered on 134 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 2: time where he could spin around and get north and south, 135 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: and he faces up these smaller corners and it's like 136 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 2: dawns on them for the first time how big he is, 137 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 2: and their eyes get so big and he can feel 138 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: that and just go right through him. So so valuable, 139 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 2: and not just in the passing game. The guy is 140 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 2: willing to block anyone, just like Cooper Cup So there's 141 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: so many things you can do with him offensively. So 142 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: I just hope that you can get more opportunities. And 143 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: when you have those scoring ops, you keep them by 144 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 2: not turning the ball over. So I think that's what's 145 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 2: been killing the team. But Puka has been absolutely lights 146 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 2: out for this football team for a while. 147 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 3: Love the physicality that he plays with, and I think 148 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 3: to what DeMarco was just saying, you know, that's a 149 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 3: one of the biggest reasons why he's able to make 150 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 3: so much happen after the catch, I mean, speeding Agilli's 151 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: is there too, of course, but that physicality is has 152 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 3: been his calling card. 153 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 2: What do you think of the hair? I like it. 154 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: It was flowing in pregame interview, I'll tell you that much. 155 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 2: Catching New England with the hair flying back. I was 156 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: kind of jealous it once. I know, right, if it's 157 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 2: out there, it's legal, So just know that. 158 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I'm tying that up. All right. Well, 159 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: now that we've hit the top of the roller coaster, 160 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: let's bring it back down a little bit to reality. 161 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: Now on both sides of the trenches, the Rams were 162 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: presented with some benchmarks for line play at the top 163 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: of the league right both offensive and defensively. We have 164 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: some youth, especially on our defensive front. What can they 165 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: take in terms of a learning lesson having faced off 166 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: against the team like the Eagles offensive line. 167 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 2: I know, it's it's it's it's been great, and there's 168 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: been some some moments where they're young, like against Philadelphia 169 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: where it just didn't go as well. Saquon had a 170 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: great day on you. But all that stuff they're going 171 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: through when they're being asked to go back out on 172 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: the field like in New England to win the football game, 173 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: or other situations where they're putting bad situations, either they 174 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 2: they get the stop or they don't. They're all learning. 175 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: This is all information they can use for later on 176 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 2: at some point, and it might happen starting Sunday in 177 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: New Orleans where they've seen everything they need to see 178 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 2: to become a great defense. So the more reps you get, 179 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: the more bad situations you're put in, the more times 180 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 2: you have success, the better you're going to become. Everybody 181 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,679 Speaker 2: is learning. They're all young, so I wish you didn't 182 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: have to have groin pains in football, but you do. 183 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 2: So what happened against Philadelphia will help them in the 184 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: long run. So it seems bad now, but you know, 185 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: trust me, if they stay the course and they stay 186 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: healthy and you keep drilling the same values into them, 187 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: at some point, this defense is going to be top ten, 188 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 2: maybe even beyond. 189 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: Rushling integrity, gap integrity especially. I mean that's to your 190 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 3: point about painful lessons earlier. I mean, that's a team 191 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 3: that if you miss one gap or pick the wrong one, 192 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: or miss that assignment in some way. They're going to 193 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 3: make you pay in multiple different ways, especially with the 194 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 3: threat that Jalen Hurts and Saquon Barkley present out of 195 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 3: the backfield. So yeah, there won't be teams that present 196 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 3: as big of a threat as those two in the 197 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 3: in the same backfield. But still, I mean, if if 198 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 3: you're if you're gonna pick a game where it's like, 199 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 3: you know, knowing your gaps and being gap sound and 200 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 3: rustling sound. 201 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Omar Spates and Rose Boom had him dead 202 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: to rights in the A gap and you're thinking there's 203 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: no way he can get from there all the way 204 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: out to there. Oh yes, you can, bet bam. So 205 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: you learn that's that I've never seen that before. Now 206 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: you have. Now you have to guard for it. You 207 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: get better. 208 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: DeMarco, do you like cranberry sauce with your turkey? Do 209 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 1: you like the salty sweet combination? Come on, yes, well, 210 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: because this is a little bit salty, a little sweet 211 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: talking about the run defense. But I got to give 212 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: my guy MJD a little love. Last time that somebody 213 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: had two touchdowns for over seventy yards in a single 214 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: game before Sunday Night was, in fact, our friend Maurice 215 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: Jones drew so shut out that. 216 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 2: Okay, so they I heard that, and they also said 217 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 2: Maurice was really good outside in the cold when he 218 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 2: was a player. What happened to that? 219 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: Come on, He's getting bundled up, that's for sure. And lastly, 220 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: I'll leave you with this thinking back to Philly. I 221 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: love what Sean McVay had to say this week in 222 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: regards to his team, saying he's looking forward to learning 223 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: about themselves this week and especially down this stretch. How 224 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: does that resonate with you as we're heading into the 225 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: last few games of the season. 226 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 2: I think that's entirely fair, don't you. I really do 227 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: because they say this, and I've been on some teams 228 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 2: obviously before we won the super Bowl and doing this 229 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: job that we're out of it before Thanksgiving, like you 230 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: were out of the super Bowl race mathematically, and they 231 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 2: always say the same thing, We're going to see who 232 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: loves to play football from here. We got seven games ago. 233 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 2: They don't really matter that much as far as super Bowl, 234 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: but we're going to see who loves it. Same thing. 235 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: You're in the hunt here, thank god, but you are. 236 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: You're going to find out a lot about who your 237 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: players are, who your coaches are, how do they feel 238 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: about this game, and how much do you want to win? 239 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 2: You just got sherlocked on national TV. How are you 240 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: going to respond to that? There's only two ways. I 241 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: don't care, or we're gonna never have that happen again. 242 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 2: So we're gonna find out in New Orleans. So I 243 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 2: think that's the exact right tone you want to you know, 244 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: hit with this team right now. 245 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: It's about how you respond, right Just like you mentioned 246 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 3: and like McVeagh mentions all the time, I mean, divisions 247 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 3: still very much up for grabs. And you look at 248 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 3: you know, the circumstances of team faced last year and 249 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 3: the way they were able to respond from those adverse 250 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 3: that adverse situation and make a run and end up 251 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 3: getting a wild card birth. So still yeah, still within reach. 252 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: I you know, me, us up here, everybody in this room, 253 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 2: We're not going down without a fight. So without a doubt, 254 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 2: we're gonna find out. 255 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, let's dig into it. The NFC West and 256 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: where it now stands. We got a little help this 257 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: week thanks to the Seahawks and of course the Packers. 258 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: The Yuks win over the Cardinals, Packers win over the 259 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: forty nine ers. Still within grass this is this is 260 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: a wild division right now, Everyone just within one game 261 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: of each other could play to our favor and consideration 262 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: as to what's still to come. But what do you 263 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: feel like the Rams need to improve upon down the 264 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: stretch here to be able to have a chance. 265 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: Just one, just one thing, Okay, I think the most 266 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: important thing in the room going all the way back 267 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: to July. Protect your quarterback. Protect Matthew Stafford. I'll give 268 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: this dude credit, and I give him a lot of credit. 269 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: I think he's one of the best arm talents I've 270 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 2: ever seen. He's a great leader. He's tough his nails, 271 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 2: but you get to see that toughness on display. That 272 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: shot he took from Brandon Graham right to the face 273 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 2: where you couldn't see it coming, and that would scare 274 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: the bags out of anybody he. 275 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: Popped right up to the sideline. I noticed it too. 276 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: Even if he was hurt, He's not gonna show them 277 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: that and give his team that. He's got to be 278 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: a leader, so I would rather him not take those shots. 279 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: So protecting your quarterback, I think from here on out 280 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: has got to be paramount. 281 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 3: Being better on third down for me. You know, this 282 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 3: was something that McVeigh acknowledged post game that you know, 283 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 3: that's an area that they need to better are at. 284 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 3: And you know, until you can start getting into some 285 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 3: of those more manageable down in distances with you know, 286 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 3: being getting ahead of the change on chains on perst 287 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 3: and second down, you know when you are in those 288 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 3: third and lungs, well, trying to avoid those third and 289 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 3: lungs is really you know where it starts. That ties 290 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 3: into better protection as well. But getting there would solve 291 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 3: quite a few problems. 292 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: And don't fumble, Yeah, that would help us. Well, yeah, 293 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: a little ball security. We'll get there. We'll get there. 294 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: But you know, we were in this situation it doesn't 295 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: feel like too long ago. And the Rams winning seven 296 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: of their last eight games in the twenty twenty three season, 297 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: so things were a little little bit similar. We talk 298 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: about building momentum, they have still picked up a significant 299 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: wave of momentum. This Philly team was a tough task 300 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: to have to take on. How do you kind of 301 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: bridge the gap between winning four or five, taking a loss, 302 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden still trying to carry 303 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: that momentum, when you know the team, you just face. 304 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: I think even the best teams go week by week. 305 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 2: So I think this team should go week by day 306 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: by day. You're trying to get better incrementally, and it's 307 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: all about just building those wins. It could be, you know, 308 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: a good practice, It could be not a ball hits 309 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: the ground in a certain period of practice. It could 310 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 2: be cleaning up the locker room, could be small things. 311 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: But you have to start stacking wins. So when Wednesday, 312 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 2: when Thursday, win Friday, definitely win on Sunday and then 313 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: start again on Monday. I don't think right now any 314 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 2: team is good enough to say we have to win 315 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 2: x amount of the next games to It's not that 316 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: you got to win each day, each moment and then 317 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: start with Sunday. 318 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 3: Being in the now is a lot more favorable compared 319 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 3: to say, looking ahead and counting the number of games 320 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 3: left and looking at the standings and trying to figure out, 321 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 3: to Cameron's point, like that exact number of that magic number. 322 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 3: So taking a week by week makes a lot of sense. 323 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: I guess the easiest way stay off your phones. 324 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, and Stu we were talking about it. 325 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: Just be prior to the show. But the rams potentially 326 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: you want to be in the position to control your 327 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: own destiny. How do they kind of get there? 328 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, just exactly what DeMarco was talking about. I mean, 329 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 3: it's really just you know, winning obviously, and and relying 330 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 3: more on yourselves than having to be in a situation 331 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 3: where you're relying more on the help of others, especially 332 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 3: teams in the division, in order to uh, you know, 333 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 3: be in the position you want to be and obviously, 334 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 3: which is reaching the postseason. 335 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's start with Alvin Kamara and Taysom Hill and 336 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 2: everybody else there, and then we'll keep going. Then we'll 337 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 2: worry about somebody else. You know. 338 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: You talk about staying off your phones just reminded me. 339 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: I know somebody who's been staying off their phones. That's 340 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: Puka and Akua. By the way, we are in the 341 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: NFC West, which is great. I don't know if you 342 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: saw that this week. 343 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 3: Well, he he was asked about in his weekly press 344 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 3: conference and he apparently at that moment was when he 345 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 3: found out that we were in the NFC West. 346 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: He's we're in No, that's so brand I love it. 347 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: I love it. 348 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly to who He is. 349 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: Just ball catch go love it. 350 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: Very focused on what's h exactly exactly, Well, let's focus 351 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: on what's important coming up this week as we have 352 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints on the road, and you guys 353 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: already mentioned it. Kamara is a scary task to have 354 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: to face, and maybe there is a bright light having 355 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: you know, in the sense having had to face Saquon, 356 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: maybe there's something we can. 357 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 2: Sure up, no doubt. Yeah, when something bad happens when 358 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 2: you were a kid and your parents found out, that's 359 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: the last time that happened, right, Well, the same thing. 360 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: So all the mistakes you made or the stuff you 361 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 2: didn't think a running back can do, all that's out 362 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 2: the window. So it just it's gonna make you a 363 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: better player. And in my opinion, I think Kamara is 364 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: basically a smaller Saquon. He's a guy that could start 365 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 2: front side and break out the backside seagaps, so it 366 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 2: takes all eleven to stop him, and he's a problem 367 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: out of the backfield. And I think New Orleans is 368 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: it might be the most tricky offense or the most 369 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 2: intricate because of Taysom Hill and what they can do. 370 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: So you have to be laser focused in the meeting room, 371 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: and you have to be even more physical and better 372 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 2: on the field. So it's a tough matchup for this 373 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 2: Rams defense. 374 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 3: Well, it's good that you bring up Kamara and Taysom Hill, 375 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: especially because with all the injuries they've dealt with that 376 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 3: wide receiver Chrystal Lave being out, especially they're number one. 377 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 3: I mean, they've still been a productive and functional offense 378 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 3: even just having Kamara and Hill available, and so certainly 379 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 3: starts with those guys this week. 380 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 2: Isn't it crazy? We're talking about an NFL offense and 381 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: we haven't even mentioned the starting quarterback yet. Well, that's 382 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: how crazy it is. 383 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's insane. And especially they're currently sitting at four 384 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: and seven. They're coming off back to back wins and 385 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: a buy leading into this, so they have plenty of 386 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: prep time and for us to now kind of prep 387 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: in this condensed sense, you're going, where are we even looking? 388 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,959 Speaker 1: The first drive versus the Browns for the Saints, Taysom 389 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: Hill threw a pass, caught a pass, and a ran 390 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: in for a touchdown. Like he's also in the return game, 391 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: he had one of the best performances that I've seen. 392 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: How do you go about trying to low a guy 393 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: like that down? Where does the pepper preparation even begin? 394 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 2: I think I want to date myself here. But he 395 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 2: is the pro version of Gordy Lockbaum. Anybody ever heard 396 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 2: of him. He's a guy that could do everything. He 397 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 2: just he played every position in college. He was but 398 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: he didn't turn out to be a good pro. But 399 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 2: I didn't think that was possible in the professional leagues 400 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 2: and today's NFL or the past. But he is that guy. 401 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 2: I mean, that is so tough to defend. But I 402 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: would say this if I was coordinating, and I think 403 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 2: Chris Shula is going to say something like this to 404 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 2: his guys. Just forget the number and just wherever he 405 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 2: lines up, that's what he is. If he's in the 406 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 2: backfield as a full back, treat him as a fullback. 407 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 2: We're going to go twenty one. If he's out here 408 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: at tight end, treat him as a tight end. If 409 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 2: you're always waiting for him to take the snap and 410 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,959 Speaker 2: throw it, that's when they kill you. So wherever he 411 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: lines up, that's what he is. Treat him as such, 412 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: and then go knock his teeth. 413 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 3: Out, especially on those first and second levels. You'd better 414 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 3: be communicating and getting that back to the secondary as well, 415 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 3: knowing where he is at all times. 416 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I watched that game versus Browns, and I'm 417 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: sitting there going like if I'm young defender trying to 418 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: picture exactly where he's aligning, Like, that's a nightmare to me, 419 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: and I would not want to have to deal with it. 420 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 2: I would just take like I said, take the guesswork 421 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 2: out wherever he is. That's what you are, and this 422 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: is what I call to it. But I think the 423 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 2: only he still presents problems when he lines up a 424 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: quarterback and they start running the read option. He is 425 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 2: really good at it, and that's how he scored. I 426 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,719 Speaker 2: think his first touchdown was running. So he's a problem. 427 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 2: I didn't I thought it was a gimmick. I didn't 428 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 2: think it would last this long. But here we are. 429 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 2: He's still playing. 430 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: There's no doubt he is still playing. Well, let's turn 431 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: to the other side, because you talked about protecting Matthew 432 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: Stafford and the Saints, they can actually get after the quarterback. 433 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: They had three sacks in each of their last two games. 434 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: The good news for the Los Angeles rams Rob Havenstein 435 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: potentially back on the offensive line. How much of a 436 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: difference can he make? 437 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 2: Darth Vader returns, that's my guy. Yeah, when he walks 438 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: down the plane with that bag, doesn't he fill up 439 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 2: the whole aisle. That's just a big dude. So having 440 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 2: him back, the size is going to help. A veteran 441 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 2: presence will definitely help the communication. You have a young center, 442 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: so that will definitely you know, it's a benefit having 443 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 2: him back on the field, but I think it's also psychological. 444 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 2: He's one of your oldest guys. When he's out there, 445 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 2: you want to play your best football to make sure 446 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: that you impress him. That's what being a veteran is about. 447 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: So having him back should be a lyft for this 448 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 2: football team and you get better. It's one of your 449 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 2: better tackles. 450 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: Well said, well, we're all about being complimentary on Between 451 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: the Horns in terms of keys to victory for this matchup. 452 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: As we were flying through this Between the Horns episode, 453 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: what needs to take place to pick up the win? 454 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 3: You told me, so I can say, well, you know, 455 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 3: I think to tie in some of the other topics 456 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 3: that we've we've touched on in this conversation starts with 457 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 3: running the ball, especially with where the Saints franks statistically. 458 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 3: We're talking about trying to have more manageable third downs 459 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 3: and taking some of that pressure off of Stafford, helping 460 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 3: the protection. Especially when you look at how this team 461 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 3: got itself out of the circumstances of last season that 462 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 3: I talked about. You look at their numbers. What was 463 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 3: the biggest difference Rushing yards just way up compared to 464 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 3: where it was the first half of the season during 465 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 3: some of those struggles. So you can establish the run 466 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 3: that's going to go a long way to a win 467 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,239 Speaker 3: on Sunday, and also, like I said, taking care of 468 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 3: some of those other things. 469 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: You know, I wouldn't mind seeing that too. And there 470 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 2: are stretches where it seems like Sean McVay goes to 471 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 2: the ground and he stays there and he's trying to 472 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: prove a point and it starts to work, and then 473 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 2: he starts to like it. Remember back in the day 474 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 2: when Andrew Whitworth was still here, when he would look 475 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 2: to the sideline and do this, like, let's keep running 476 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 2: the football at him. So you might start to see 477 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 2: some of that. The best way to start over on offense, 478 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: especially on offense is if we want to get back 479 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: to basics, you start with running the ball because everything 480 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 2: flows off that. Even coach McVeigh says that if you're 481 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 2: running the football, well everything opens up, play action open up. 482 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 2: Your quarterback is better protected. So I am so down 483 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 2: with you. Well said, well said, yeah. 484 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: To your point, the Saints rush defense rings twenty fifth 485 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: in the NFL. But I want to think too, back 486 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: to our run game because I was so hopeful facing 487 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: off against Philly. I think back to the first quarter 488 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: and kyn he actually had a couple explosives. There was 489 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: one for twenty seven yards, another for eleven yards if 490 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm correct, obviously before what took place and the turnover. 491 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: But I'm going, oh man, we might be able to 492 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: find some big chunks, and I'm hoping that's going to 493 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: be what takes place in New Orleans. We need it, 494 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: whether it's from him or quorum. At this point, what 495 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: about you. 496 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 2: Reminded me of like my term papers in college. Great paper, 497 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 2: great ideas forgot to put on the title page. So 498 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 2: it goes from Anata will be so, I mean, some 499 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 2: great runs. But then because he's been awesome before the fumble, 500 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 2: right and he's better after So can we just eliminate 501 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 2: the middle and stay with that? Because who knows? If you, 502 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 2: like you said, if you had a chance to get 503 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: ahead of a great team like Philadelphia and keep the 504 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 2: pressure on them, who knows how that turns out. Maybe 505 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: they're just better. Uh, but you can put the heat 506 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 2: on them. If you get ahead of teams like New Orleans, 507 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 2: there's no way there's they're coming back, not with the 508 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 2: young pass rushers you have. So I think this team 509 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 2: was designed to be ahead. So if running the football 510 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 2: gets you ahead and can keep your head, then so 511 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 2: be it. 512 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. What about a key to victory for you? 513 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: You got anything else? You said? You said you had 514 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: more than one. 515 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 2: I got one one more. Protect your quarterback, get after 516 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 2: the passer, don't make mistakes, you know, learn from what 517 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 2: just happened. The other thing is special teams, and it's 518 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 2: not picking on a guy, just the entire operation. You 519 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 2: got to make your kicks. Those points matter, especially when 520 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 2: you're in a tight race like this. So and usually 521 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 2: when guys miss you point to one guy and said 522 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 2: he missed. Well, there's a whole operation there, and there's 523 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: a lot that we don't know, snap to hole to kick. 524 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 2: So whatever it is, you've got to streamline that. When 525 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 2: you have a chance for three or one, you've got 526 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 2: to get it. So when you're in a tight race, 527 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 2: when you're five and six, every point matters, so you 528 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 2: got to hit those kicks. 529 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 530 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: I love it. All right? 531 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 3: Well again, yeah episode title. 532 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: By the way, this is what teamwork looks like right here. 533 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: All right, Well, those are your keys to victory. Guys. 534 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: We said it was gonna be a quick episode. Finally 535 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 1: I got got it done thirty minutes. Thanks story could 536 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: be happy, well said, Well said the episode last and final, 537 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: I mean Thanksgiving just around the corner, anything to be 538 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: thankful for. I feel like this is like my mom 539 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: sitting at a dining room. 540 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 3: Table, which you guys, yeah listening intently. I'm gonna go 541 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 3: with Kevin Dotson one because of his play not only 542 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 3: as a past blocker run blocker and what he's meant 543 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 3: to the offensive line this season, but also if you 544 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 3: haven't seen his micd up, please go do yourself a 545 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 3: favor and watch it. 546 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just okay. 547 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 3: The genuine and authentic joy that this guy plays with 548 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 3: is what makes football fun and and it just every 549 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 3: time I see it, it just brings a smile to my face. 550 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 3: So yeah, for both of the all of those reasons, 551 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 3: I'm thankful for ket I've. 552 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 2: Never seen that guard wear a guardian helmet, so he 553 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 2: must be interesting. I got. I love this, and I 554 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 2: think he's doing it as a fashion statement, not for safety. 555 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: But I got to hear that. But you pick Kevin 556 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: Dotson to be thankful for Thanksgiving? I like my family, 557 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 2: my friends, all the people that I work with. Yes, 558 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 2: Kevin Dotson, Okay, we'll stick. 559 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: I like where you going with this? 560 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, so thankful for the Rams. 561 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: I can think of one for you. 562 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 2: Okay, So I got one to be honest, I am 563 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 2: really and we all are. This team is everyone in 564 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 2: Los Angeles thankful that the NFC West is wide open 565 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 2: below five hundred and you still have a shot. We 566 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 2: should all be thankful for that. So that's that's kind 567 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 2: of where Earlene. Yeah. And Kevin Dotson. 568 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 569 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 3: And for my friends and family who are Yes, I 570 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 3: am thankful for you having a documented love you. 571 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 2: Mom, Yes, I love you. You know. 572 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 1: I will say the young defensive front because I think 573 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: there is a future there for the Los Angeles Rams 574 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: and It's one that gives me a ton of hope. 575 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: They have just been a pleasant surprise right off the bat, 576 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: and they are so fun to watch, so physical, so explosive, 577 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm looking forward to years to come. 578 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: All thanks, yes, thanks for joining us on Between the Horns, 579 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: presented by your Southern California Toyota Dealer. Of course, the 580 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: Rams going on the road to face the Saints for 581 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: this week at thirteen matchup and this has been brought 582 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: to you by your Southern California Toyo It do is. 583 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm Cameron ir went alongside Stu Jackson and our Super 584 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: Bowl champ Marco Farmer.