WEBVTT - First Lady and Final Girl 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:07.920 It's one fifty two am in spook You Washington, d C. 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:27.080 And you're listening tonight Call. Hello, Welcome to night Call, 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:31.680 your podcast for those strange days and lonely nights. My 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:34.640 name is Emily Orshida. I am in New York and 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:37.120 with me on the other line in Los Angeles are 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:43.760 Tess Lynch and Molly Lambert. Hey, guys, Hello, UM, we 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:49.920 have a very lady horror oriented podcast for you today. UM. 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:54.800 Starting off with the first lady. One might call her 0:00:55.680 --> 0:01:00.400 the very first lady, UM, Melania Trump, which as of 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:04.920 this recording. UM, there's a lot of conspiracies around her, 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:06.720 and it's been a while since we've had a good 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:10.280 UM White House. Well, no that's not true. Yeah, come on, 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:12.319 I was gonna say, no, this is the best time 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:14.759 for conspiracy theories and the worst time for everything else, 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:18.000 I guess non political ones. But there hasn't been a 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:23.920 good first lady conspiracy in a second. UM, she may 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:27.080 have resurfaced as by the time you hear this, but 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:29.840 I think yesterday they announced that she wouldn't be going 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:32.600 to the G seven summit. There was some statement issued 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:38.039 about how she has just not been appearing anywhere because 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:42.040 she's starting to focus on her kids and family, which 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:45.200 is um. There have been similar statements like that in 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:48.840 the past. But she's she's got to be best. She's 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:53.560 just being best wherever she is, she's being best. Um. 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:57.680 But I like, uh Audrey Woolen, a good follow on 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:59.960 on Twitter, was was talking about how this is sort 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:04.240 of it feels like a kind of gothic mystery that's 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:08.960 evolving around Milannia being gradually turned into a ghost and 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:13.480 and sent up to inhabit the rafters of some unknown 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:17.160 attic in the White House. It's funny too, because Iron 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:19.240 Madison has also been doing these really funny threads on 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:22.160 Twitter about sort of like the soap opera version of 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:24.320 what has happened to Millannia. He's like, oh, she's been 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.440 replaced with a body double, and then the body double 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:29.760 has been sent to like a farm or something just 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:32.160 like Very Days of Our Lives what it would be, 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:34.240 which would be that like someone has a secret twin 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:37.800 the Secrets and she's in a coma. Yeah, there's been 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.960 a double rumor going around for a while. I think 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.120 because there were some photos of her where her face 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:46.520 was mostly covered by sunglasses or like her hair or 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:48.920 something like. She's just styled in a way where you 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.280 purposely can't seem to make out her face. So who 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:54.760 knows who that could be. I think it was this 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:58.160 one video where she's wearing a hat and glasses and 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.560 it just looks like a prosthetic face. I just looked 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.200 at the Snopes on this and they were like, no, 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.079 it was a distortion, Like it was like a screen distortion. 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.040 She the hat man, I think she's Carmen san Diego. 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.840 She is like in a trench. It's so close. I 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:13.720 gotta say, this is one of those ones where I 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.280 was like, who cares? I don't care? Why don't you care? 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:19.800 Because there's so much other ship. There's a lot of 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.959 other actually important and this just seems like a distraction. 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.760 All that's true, but it's an interesting distraction. If you 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:29.320 acknowledge that it's a distraction, it's interesting. But I'm also like, 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.000 having made the mistake of watching cable news for the 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:34.079 first time in a while, I was just like, this 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.080 is what like if you turn on cable news, all 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.280 it is all day is like not talking about Puerto Rico. 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.760 They're not talking about anything anything real. All the talking 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:45.920 about is like Roseanne and Melania and like Russia and 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.440 none of it is ever real. And I've heard that 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:50.800 it's like they're getting really good ratings for it because 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:54.800 it's become just like Fox News for neoliberals, where it's 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.480 like I'm gonna watch TV all day and then like 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:59.680 something's going to break in the Russia scandal that will 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:02.760 like crack this whole thing open, and so it like 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:07.040 gets people addicted to watching this sort of meaningless news programming. Well, 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:10.160 this is yeah, this is the great prank that the 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.720 this administration is actually played on people on the left 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:17.960 is that they've it has made like raving paranoid Fox 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:22.839 News esque lunatics out of all of us. Uh, which 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.040 is it's definitely been a thing where you see some 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.640 people just like go off the deep end never to return. 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:30.120 It's become just more and more of a thing, and 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:33.320 some people just turn into these like Russia conspiracists where 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.480 it's like, hey, it's not like they're not going to 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:41.640 be like whoops like Mulligan. But and this most side 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.599 is they we all learned a lot about game theory, 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.040 and so much of that game theory. I don't think 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.760 twelve dimensional chess is really guy. It's so funny because 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:53.799 I was remembering, like maybe a year ago or something, 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:57.039 meeting up with a friend of David somewhere and he 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.279 was like, did you hear Like we hadn't looked at 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:01.159 in the news maybe for a day or something, and 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.359 he's like, did you hear like the indictments they're coming 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:08.280 down like everybody's going to jail and saying that every day. Well, 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.840 we're like really really, and we like search Twitter and 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:12.360 we couldn't figure out. I was talking about it, and 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.040 of course it was like a Louise Men thread probably, 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:18.440 But like people, there's always somebody that's like, you know, 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:22.760 my inside source said, like Mueller's prepared the report and 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:26.840 like Trump's from president for like over a year, I 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:33.760 mean fifty years. He's going to get re elected? Molly, 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.640 Yeah he is, because what are we What have we 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:40.160 changed about anything? We haven't like fixed how voting is 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:43.760 fucked up? Can that be like a rallying cry, not 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.479 a prediction? Can that be like he will be re 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:50.360 elected unless I don't think there's an unless I think 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.880 he's gonna get re elected because I think that the 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:55.960 people that are like Russia did this. 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It's not even like Kanye is 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:15.760 trash thing. It's just like I simply do not have 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:20.120 the bandwidth to get into like figuring out how I 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:23.000 feel about the new Kanye album. I'm not even I 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.960 think it's perfectly fine to say that in light of 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.280 what's going on with Kanye, that you're just sitting this 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:30.559 one out like I'm I don't plan to listen to it. 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:33.240 Maybe I will, but I mean, and honestly we've talked 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:37.680 about this before. There's something that's so sad and feels 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:42.160 um predatory at some point about like feeling this responsibility 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.200 of having an opinion on what's going on with Kanye 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.080 when he's very clearly in a place where he should 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.640 just kind of go away for a bit. Yeah, I mean, 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.160 I don't know. I think I brought this up before, 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:56.120 but Jay Kang had a good thread. Um Jake Kang, 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:59.800 the intellectual dark web of the Left and being to 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:05.680 are superstar was talking about just like I don't know, like, yeah, 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:07.600 we don't, we don't have to care about this stuff. 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:09.240 He was like anyone who ever wrote a think piece 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:12.080 about Kanye is responsible for this world we've made. Yeah, 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.439 he was like, we all graduated from college with no 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:19.200 skills except being able to like write pop culture theory. 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:24.640 And I was like, maybe he's not wrong. Maybe speculating 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:29.240 about celebrity is bad, and projecting things onto people that 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:33.839 aren't there, or treating people's careers and lives by extension 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:37.000 as a sport that you watch and prognosticated about is 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:41.200 maybe not We also we talked on girls and hoodies 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.000 a lot about like monarch mind control, like the kind 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.880 of conspiracies about what happened to young stars and they 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:49.959 all have these nervous breakdowns and stuff, and I mean 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.760 a lot of it was supposedly like a machine that 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.640 was kind of conditioning them to be these like ciphers, 0:10:56.679 --> 0:11:00.240 but a lot of it was just growing up feeling that, 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:04.559 you know, creating attention around oneself was was the ticket, 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.000 and then coming to like a point in your life 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.800 in your career where you kind of feel like you 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.120 have to like step it up and step it up, 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:16.160 and it just leads to such sad things and then 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.280 you just don't want to like have any of that. 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.160 You say, also there is a machine, and the machine 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.360 is capitalism. Oh, there we go. You know what, though, 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.520 there was this there was this post about VICI that 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.040 was really sad on ont D where people were talking 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.960 about like, hey, this guy kept saying like if I 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.760 keep doing this, I'm going to die, and everybody around 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:36.800 him was like, you have to keep doing it because 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.880 you're making all these people money and that's all that matters. 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:41.920 And then all these people were, you know, they were 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:43.880 kind of like, hey, it kind of seems like this 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:46.240 is a pattern that happens to like every big star 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.200 that we make that that that has a nervous breakdown 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:52.640 is like they should take time off, and they can't. 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.160 I think a problem with that too is that when 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:58.520 an artist expresses vulnerability, it almost seems as though it's 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.480 an invitation for fans to closer, when really it might 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.760 be their attempt at stepping back. So I think that 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:08.079 with Kanye, when he would be on these tweet binges 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:12.920 and and expressing very personal sentiments and like really controversial opinions, 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:16.400 it almost seemed as though he was inviting people to 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.720 relate to him more or to like try to figure 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:21.920 out what was going on with him. In a way 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:25.320 that was really invasive, but it maybe wasn't that you 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:27.320 can see the reaction. I mean, I said, we said 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.320 we were't going to talk about this, and look, but 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:32.280 you can see in their reactions it's like it's not 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.520 even about Kanye or the album. And I feel like 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.280 the same thing is going on with like the BUSHETI 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.240 and Drake fight, where it's like it's about people's personal 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:42.280 investment in those artists and a lot of it has 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.880 to do with nostalgia for like that you know, any 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.600 time other than now. Yeah, just like something that mattered 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:50.559 to you at a different point and if you if 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.920 you no longer connect to that thing, then like everything 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:55.560 you ever did was a lie. But it's like, no, 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:57.520 if you no longer connect to that thing, it's because 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:01.520 there's nothing to connect to anymore. Um. I have always 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:08.319 like joked about Kanye like becoming just like full psycho. 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:12.199 But it's not funny. It's a bad album because there's 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.280 no humor to it. It just feels like sad and 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:17.199 you're like somebody, like he should just take time off, 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.959 he should get help. I would rather get help than 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:27.199 like keep making music that it's bad, or just even 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.480 keep making music that is good. Even it's like there 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:33.280 are things more important than making art or money. I 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:35.240 was just gonna say, I just feel like we're just 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:40.240 starting to begin to realize the ramifications of like this 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:43.680 gray area where the thing we used to communicate is 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:47.800 also just like culture, like as like it is like 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:52.440 the matter of culture. So like somebody's tweet or something 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:56.439 about their well being or their inner life, it's not 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.920 just a mode of communication. It then becomes a piece 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.840 of culture to molo or and and that can that 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:05.120 can you know, either make somebody money or affect their 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:08.240 career or result in fewer tickets sold for a tour 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.000 or you know whatever. And I feel like we're just 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:14.160 starting to realize that what happens when like you can 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:17.440 no longer just talk anywhere, that everything becomes something that 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.560 comes back to your bottom line or that like you 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:24.200 can say things that can like funk up anything else 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.520 you've said that was good. Like if you didn't get 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:30.200 off the Kanye train at Slavery was a choice, then 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.920 like I can't help you because like what are you doing? 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:37.840 You know, like what you like, what are you waiting for? Exactly? 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:39.800 It's a lot, I mean, it is a lot like Trump. 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:41.640 It's like the people who are still like, no, no, 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:43.840 he's playing twelve dimensional chess. This is all like a 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.240 big performance art thing, and he's going to do a 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.280 big reveal at the like you know, listening party, and 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.920 then it's like no, you know who knows a lot 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:56.280 about performance art, Kanye West, Well, no, there was like 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.280 one of the conspiracies was that like he was recreating 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.200 this piece of art by this like famous like fluxus 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.160 artist or something. And I was like, how delusional do 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:08.160 you have to be to think that that's true? And 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.520 it's like as delusional as people who are like Trump's, 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.640 you know, the indictments are coming down any second now. 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:17.480 It's like you believe what you want to believe. Uh. 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.240 But some I don't know people talking about Brittany too, 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:23.240 they were just like everyone around her failed her because 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:27.200 like she could have gone a different way if people 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:29.000 hadn't been so like, you have to get back on 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:33.680 that stage. I think everybody. I don't know. My only 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.400 hope for the future is that like everybody starts taking 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:42.760 care of each other instead of being being tweet tweet crazy. 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:47.160 I mean I think like going back to the Milannia thing. Yeah, 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.960 we're back. Sorry, guys. What's interesting is that, so we're 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:53.800 recording this podcast, Milannia is supposed to be um appearing 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.960 before a group of people with no press allowed at 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:00.400 I think two thirty Pacific, so it's but it's on 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:04.400 the five thirty this evening, so we don't know if 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.280 that's going to happen. Regardless of if it happens or not, 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:09.840 the press isn't allowed, so we'll be relying on reports 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:17.000 of people who are in the room exactly. And there 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.440 was a CNBC reporter I think who said that he 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.880 saw her. I guess her last appearance was May tent 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:23.840 and he said he saw her in the White House 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:27.000 at some point after that, but wouldn't really elaborate, said 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.440 other people saw her too, So I think, you know, 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.480 Molly and I were talking about this just before we 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.800 started recording, and you know, she was like, it's just 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.920 a distraction. It's just a distraction. And it totally is 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:40.200 a distraction. I mean, it just seems like that has 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:42.640 to be the case. That's like, I'm also like, hey, 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:46.320 the Trump administration is disappearing a lot of women that 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.120 we aren't talking about all the time in the news 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:52.640 that like I would rather be focusing on well, I 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:54.720 just think, but it becomes an interesting part of the 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:59.800 story if you think about them concocting this particular distraction 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.640 shouldn't be something that takes up your time as much 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.320 as as you know, Puerto Rico obviously being something that's 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.720 just been completely ignored. It just feel like two with Milannia. 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.359 It's like there seems to be this desire people have 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.360 to like project humanity onto her or to be like 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:19.680 she's trapped in this horrible situation. It's like people in 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.119 this situation, I don't know, I'm like a lot of 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.720 like white women are like always like poor Milannia. Like, no, 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.359 not poor Millannia. She's like married to her to a 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:32.359 white supremacist she said, crazy birth or things like she's 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:35.840 a bad person. Not. Yeah, I totally agree. However, it 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:39.320 becomes a little bit tricky. I think when people start 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.320 like slamming her use of English and stuff, like I mean, 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.560 attacking her for things not based completely on her personality 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:48.560 and life choices that have led her to the White House. No, 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.959 and like, I don't know, I just feel like it 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:55.480 doesn't matter and she's probably fine. The thing about all 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:59.679 the weird ship around this administration. So like Milan like 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:02.359 mo Lonnie having a body double, that that's actually something 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:05.920 that feels like in the realm of possibility. I don't 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:10.359 think it matters. But there's the actual matter and substance 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.240 of this administration, which is all the ways in which 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.680 they're sucking over immigrants and all this other stuff. Um. 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:19.439 But then there's like the color of it, like that 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.240 it wasn't just that people were having their human rights violated, 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.119 it was that we were living in this weird twilight 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:27.879 zone where it was possible that there was like a 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.840 body double for the first lady. That's like just like 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:33.840 it goes also to the idea of like people seeing 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.520 memes that are like clearly photoshopped and not knowing that 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.399 they're photoshopped. Like there is this way and just like 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.480 you literally can't trust anything you see, especially if you 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:46.520 see it on the internet, even if it's video. It's like, no, 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:48.800 it could just be all shopped. Like anything can be 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:52.200 shopped into the thing that they want you to think 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:55.840 it is. And so it makes everybody feel crazy. Oh, 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:59.160 speaking of crazy people on the there you go perfect, 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:03.440 speaking of women locked in a tower of their own dividing. 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:07.480 We were going to talk about Julia Allison um a 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:09.520 person who was on the Internet a lot and then 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.840 kind of disappeared off the Internet and then re emerged 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:16.240 like a butterfly, like a person wearing butterfly wings of 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:21.600 burning Man this week with an editorial uh in page 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:26.200 six or past about how sex in the City ruined 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:31.000 her life. It's such a college paper essay, Like it's like, 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:34.440 what's your thesis and give me, you know, in this case, 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:38.720 like twenty five things that support this thesis and completely 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:40.919 ignoring anything else that might be going on in the 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:44.359 world or with yourself given time. It's just like a 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:49.680 blindingly unself aware piece of writing. But it was really rough. Yeah, 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.280 it's pretty I think the worst part is when she 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:56.640 claimed that a man was attempting to um sexually assault 0:19:56.680 --> 0:20:00.000 her and it was horrible, but then ended the paragraph 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:06.320 off with and the worst part he flew me back home. Yeah. 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:09.159 I mean what I thought was a huge bummer about 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:12.560 this was that it was like, it wasn't that she 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.200 regretted trying to sell herself. It was that it didn't 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:17.320 work the way she wanted it to, which is I 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:20.159 think a thing A lot of people actually can identify with. 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:22.000 Is that you're like, I'm going to be a brand 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:25.359 and then you're like, wait, I'm a cheap brand, right. 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:27.800 I think there's a lot of assumption that like we 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:30.320 all bought into the myth of Carrie Bradshaw, right, and 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.520 it's like, you know what I did it, Like, I'm 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:34.439 I know you guys like Sex and the City a lot, 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:36.080 but I was never a Sex and the City fan, 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:37.840 aside from like if I was in the tel and 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:39.800 I had to watch a couple episodes, But like, it's 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:41.720 not that we bought into like buying a lot of 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:43.600 ship will make you copy, it's that it was like 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:46.120 it would be nice to have a column, right, Yeah, 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.320 I was where I came to it. We were never 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:50.960 I don't think Molly or I were ever huge Sex 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:52.639 in the City fans. I think it was almost like 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:56.040 our soap opera. I mean it also like started when 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:58.000 we were teenagers, so I feel like it was just 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:00.200 like maybe if I had been like an adult woman 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.280 in that world already, I would have been like this 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:04.480 is so fake, like nothing like it. But because I 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.320 was like a teenager, I was like, yeah, sure, I'd 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:09.720 like to have a column. And an apartment Like that 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:13.359 sounds great. Yeah, I mean there's something though, like in 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:19.160 the in the article, like they've chosen intentionally extremely unflattering 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:22.000 photos of her during the height of her career and 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:24.399 being like a Gawker fixture and all of that. It 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:26.680 also maings you'd be like, ah, the two thousands, which 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:28.560 I keep thinking about, Like the two thousands were like 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:32.119