WEBVTT - Two Men Got Snatched by Aliens! The True Story! 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:11.000 What's that at the Bed's spooky? 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:13.280 Hey, Joky, I'm really sure it's dead. 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:19.840 It's coming this way. Wait a minute, I said, I 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:25.280 das pease. 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:34.120 Hey boo, it's me Ros And welcome to Ghosted by 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:37.800 Raz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people that 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:42.360 I like about the paranormal. I have been talking to 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.680 people lately that I like, but I did not know 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.960 them before. Uh, because you know, we're trying we're trying 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:53.840 out different things in this new year, and uh, I'm 0:00:54.000 --> 0:01:01.040 talking to someone that made a documentary about a very 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:07.399 famous alien abduction, the Pascagoula Abduction, which is a. 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:08.640 Fun word to say. 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:15.800 The time that we had the host of That's Messed Up, 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:20.160 Kara Klank and Lisa Trager, when the two of them 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:23.080 were on the show a little while back, we talked 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:27.319 about this case, but not nearly as in depth as 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:32.200 we do on today's episode, because we have on this filmmaker. 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:38.959 He's got a new four part series called Pascagoula seventy three, 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:44.759 and he really really researched this one, and I think 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:48.800 it's a compelling story. I also realized, I don't think 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:55.880 we've ever had a UFO alien person quite like this 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:01.480 on the show. But this is definitely a UAU episode, 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:04.240 And you know, I'm very curious what you think of this, 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:09.639 and with me doing what we're doing, which is sometimes 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:12.799 not having silly people. And when I have people on 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:18.680 like this, I save the dolls, I save the the EVPs. 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:26.079 We don't do that with our expert type guests. But 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:30.600 I hope you enjoy this conversation today. Let me just 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.679 tell you a story I read in my email. This 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:39.480 one comes from Melissa, who writes the subject line, my 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:45.560 dead grandmother ruined the surprise of my engagement. 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.040 And then in parentheses, happily. 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:51.520 Melissa writes, one night in September twenty fourteen, I had 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:55.639 a wonderful visit with my maternal grandmother while I was asleep. 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.120 When these types of dreams happened, the majority of the 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.760 time are surround a completely white There might be a 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:06.240 cowch or a table, but that's it and we don't 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:11.799 have to talk. It's absolutely the most peaceful, joyful, stress 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:16.280 free place I could ever imagine. During this visit, she 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.840 was sitting on a love seat with pretty green decorations 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:23.240 in her hair, her favorite color. She was smiling from 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:28.440 ear to ear and gave me the tightest hug of congratulations. Well, 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.720 the next day, Sunday, I had taken off from work 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:34.960 and my boyfriend and I made plans to drive out 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.680 to mon Talk, which is on the east end of 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:42.839 Long Island. Aside from the rich snobs you sometimes run into, 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.840 it's my favorite place on Earth, built with beach memories 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:50.040 that started in my childhood. While we were making the 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:54.520 two hour drive out there, I knew he was going 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.600 to propose to me on the beach, and yes, that's 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.760 what happened. I was looking out at the water and 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.240 the waves, and I turned around and he was on 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.720 one knee. I happily said yes, but didn't tell him 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.320 about the dream for quite some time because I didn't 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:11.840 want the moment to be ruined for him. I was 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:15.280 so happy, not only for the obvious reason, but because 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:18.920 it was such clear confirmation that my grandmother is with me, 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:23.160 which I feel often. I hope that everybody out there 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.120 realizes that they have some type of guardian angel and 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:30.320 or spirit guides. My grandmother passed away of breast cancer 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:33.200 when I was only seven, but we always had a 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:38.640 special connection both before and after her passing. AH now 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:44.240 thank you for sending that, Granny. We love the congratulations, 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:50.440 but wait, wait until the night after. Don't jump the gun, Grannie. 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.120 Now I think it's adorable. That's so sweet. Thanks for 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:54.640 sending that. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:59.160 Okay, here we go. We're gonna talk about an alien abduction. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:06.240 Here's my conversation with filmmaker Darcy Weir and with the show. 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:11.240 Oh my god. 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:17.200 I am joined by a documentary filmmaker who has a 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:21.159 new film called Pascagoula seventy three. 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:25.920 Darcy, We're hey, Ross, Hi from Canada. 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:27.120 From Canada. 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.000 You're pretty nice, and that's what they say. 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:33.039 Thanks, not all of us, but I try to be. 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.640 Yeah, I haven't. I have not met those people yet, 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:40.479 but I assume you know there's assholes everywhere. 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:42.200 Yeah, it's true. 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:47.080 But we're here to talk about UFOs. Let's do it. 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:49.039 You're not a ufologist. 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:54.320 I don't consider myself a ufologist. I consider myself an 0:05:54.480 --> 0:06:01.320 independent filmmaker and you know, documentarian I interviewed upologists. 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:07.800 Ah okay, yeah, is that is that like a like 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:12.360 a it's not a degree someone can have a ufologist. 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.560 I think there's people within uphology that are trying to 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.240 push degrees right now, Oh really, Yeah, there's a guy 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:22.560 named Danny Shean that has like the new Paradigm Research 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.839 Institute and he sells courses for like ten thousand of pop. 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.720 Oh maybe this is the business I should get into. 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:34.360 Maybe what are you going to teach uphology? 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:36.200 You I don't know. 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:41.159 I like ufo ology, ufo oology. I like, oh, yeah 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.920 that's true ufo. No, I say, borrow the first Oh 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:50.440 you ufo wait ufo ufology. 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:51.440 Yeah you got it. 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:54.159 Yeah, that as good because it's one of those things 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.000 like biopic or biopic. 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:58.720 It's biopic. 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.880 People say biopics, people say biosity. It sounds like a 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:02.920 medical procedure. 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.040 It sounds like an eye thing for sure. But okay, 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:11.240 so this film, yeah, would you consider it a film 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.040 or is it a docu series series? 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:20.680 Four episodes and we just cover a different thing each episode, but. 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.520 All based in this one case. Yeah. 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:29.280 Yeah, I mean it's like Jerry Springer doc that just 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:30.600 came out two episodes. 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:32.640 Loved it. 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:34.040 I wish it was longer than two. 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:37.600 Episodes me to So this one's four Yeah, that's one 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:41.400 hour each, pretty much great amount perfect. Some of these 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:44.880 it's like just stop toney, this is a ten minute story. 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:52.080 Yeah, I think this story merits four episodes because there 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.000 was like a lot to unpack and I never thought 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:58.640 I was going to go into it and make four episodes. 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:00.480 I thought, okay, I just do this in an hour 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:03.280 and a half, make it a feature link doc. But 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.200 I flew over to England, believe it or not, to 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:13.000 speak to this ufologist, Philip Mantel, who's, like you know, 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:20.280 been researching cases in Europe and abroad. He's based out 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:25.440 of northern England for over decades I think now, and 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:31.560 so essentially I sat down with him. He unpacked everything, 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:36.079 and once I started editing and pulling archival data and 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:37.880 all that stuff, I was like, okay, I can do 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:39.000 this in four episodes. 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.599 Yes, well, that's what I love so much because I 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.959 saw the first episode and it's it's so great to 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:50.880 see all of the media, to see just the interviews, 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.800 the news star is, the audio, the documents, just having 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:58.319 it all there, and I imagine that there is a 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:07.360 lot over the years. This story we have talked about 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.319 on this podcast before really and actually it's one of 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:16.040 my favorite of the abduction cases. I love it for 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:22.359 a very specific reason because, by far the hottest, sexiest 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:26.199 abductee of all time, the younger one. What's his name 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:31.319 is Parker how Ben Part that's exactly in nineteen seventy three, 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:32.959 who I would have abducted to. 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.959 Well, you know what, he's flattered from the grave. 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.280 I'd say, he is so hot. 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:44.679 And I because we had a couple of comedians and 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.000 sometimes I'll do my little research about these cases and 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.160 we couldn't get we couldn't get it, like, we couldn't 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:53.800 get past how hot he album. And you know what's 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:57.959 even hotter about him? He kind of disappeared after and 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:02.120 didn't really want to like give interviews, is my understanding 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:02.319 of that. 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:07.240 Right, he became the Mississippi abductee man of mystery, which makes. 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:08.040 Him even hotter. 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:08.800 There you go. 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:12.040 I'm sorry, but you're already hot. You don't have to 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:14.640 have the most interesting story in the room. 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:15.599 He knew that. 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.800 He said, I'm just gonna go be hot somewhere else. 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.760 There you go. He was afraid of being too hot 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:22.600 in public. 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:26.480 And you have the story about getting taken up into 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:28.480 it ufo. Please. 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:31.959 Yeah, I mean there was some sexy stuff going on 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:32.480 up there. 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:36.400 No, I mean his story. 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.600 I didn't know that much about when I was looking 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.040 into this, like obviously, the first episode is all about 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.520 Charlie Hickson, who's the elder man that he was with, 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:51.160 forty two years old at the time Calvin was nineteen. 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:59.640 They were family friends because essentially Charlie's best friend was 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:03.760 cal Dad, and Calvin was looking for work. He said, 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.280 you know, can I get a job at the shipyard 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:11.040 in Mississippi on the river past Googlea River. So Calvin 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:16.000 moved in with Charlie Hickson at an apartment there. Shortly 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.800 there after, like the first week he moved into this place, 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.680 he gets hired, and I think one of the funny 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:27.520 things that Calvin remarked was that he was hired, abducted, 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.080 and fired within the same day. 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.920 What a day. What a day, and became a heart throb. 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.640 And became an international heart throb. 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:40.079 I guess, well, he's also, by the way, a nineteen 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:44.199 seventy three, nineteen year old, which is like a thirty 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:44.960 five year old. 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.240 Man, like he's a grown man. 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:52.079 But that's what instantly, when I watched the first episode, 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:56.400 I was so grateful for because not that I've delved 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.439 too deep into this case, but like I didn't know 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.000 any I didn't know their relationship. I just knew that 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:05.000 they both worked together. But that's really it's really fascinating 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:06.600 that they were living together. 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:10.960 And there's some weird stuff that I unpacked. I mean, 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:13.760 I don't think I included in the documentary. But apparently 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.240 after they got abducted, they went back to the apartment 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:21.280 that they were staying in and Calvin like showered himself 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.880 in bleach because he was so frightened by the experience 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.640 and like thought that he was, you know, getting something 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:31.920 off of him. That's pretty bad. 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.640 Hey, give us so give us the details. So for 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:39.599 anyone that doesn't know, So these two guys, they go fishing. 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:40.360 Yeah, at night. 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.440 Didn't seem like the cutest place to go fishing, by 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:44.880 the way. 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.640 Yeah, it was kind of like a garbage dump by 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:48.040 the river. 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:52.040 Is that where they planned on eating those fish? Don't know, 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:53.680 because that might be your first problem. 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.880 I think it was maybe let's have some beers, chat 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:02.120 and get lucky catching something on the river, you know, maybe, 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:07.640 I don't know. Shortly after they started chatting and you know, 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:12.720 getting everything set up and casting their real they apparently 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.840 saw a blue light in the distance and then suddenly 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:20.679 it was behind them and they thought it was the 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:24.480 police because this area they were not actually supposed to 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:29.760 be in, they were trespassing. So when they turned around, 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:34.680 to their astonishment, it was apparently a craft and these 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:39.120 three beings that they couldn't quite see at first, came 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:44.400 floating down grabbed them. They apparently felt like a pinch 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:47.720 or some kind of like instant pain when they were grabbed, 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.880 but then that went away, and they were relaxed, and 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:56.040 they were taken on board this craft and they had 0:13:56.080 --> 0:14:00.800 their experience. They were taken away and kind of examined, 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:02.679 so to speak. And this is kind of like a 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:08.840 common thread in the abduction tales of ufology totally. 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:16.520 They also said that these beings they weren't your run 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:20.400 at the mill gray aliens either. They were something a 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:24.560 little different. It's so weird, but I know of a 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:28.440 lot of abduction cases, and I especially love it when 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:33.560 it's a different type, because it makes sense that there 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:39.440 would be more than one species of these, you know, beings, 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:45.040 and so when you hear about these, it's way more outrageous, 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.680 and I think it's probably harder for people to wrap 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:48.520 their heads around. 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.400 But at the same time, I'm like, makes sense to me. 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:56.400 Yeah, I mean it's a standout case because the creatures 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.720 or beings that took them on board the craft were 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:03.640 not yeah like gray aliens, which are described as like 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:09.360 these short, spin lee built, large headed, big black eyed 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:14.920 like small, slit mouth, no nosed like automatons that have 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:19.480 no real emotion. And other abductees reported that, actually there's 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:23.520 an interesting study. Have you ever heard of doctor edgar Mitchell, 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:29.040 the sixth man on them Apollo fourteen. 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:30.600 Astronaut, No tell me about him? 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:35.920 So doctor edgar Mitchell was a very intelligent guy. They 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:40.600 called them the Brain in Houston where he worked for 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.040 Capcom for a number of years in the prior Apollo 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:48.200 missions and assisting with the Gemini missions and stuff with 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:52.720 our exploits in space. Going to the moon and Pollo 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:56.000 fourteen was his turn. He actually got to go land 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:59.160 on the Moon and walk around do a moonwalk. He 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:04.640 came back for that mission and he had something that 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:08.320 astronauts do when they're in space is stick to checklists, 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:13.920 like they're so busy and following protocol that they don't 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:17.240 really have a ton of time to kind of marvel 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:21.000 at where they are until things slow down a bit. 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:27.360 And NASA on like ground control. They're constantly keeping them 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:31.240 doing a routine so they don't mess up, screw up 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.280 the mission gets lost in space. 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:35.560 Notice the aliens that are right next to them. 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.960 You notice the alien craft following them, which is something 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.480 people have alluded to. Some astronauts have said it might 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:46.840 have happened like a Paulo eleven buzz Aldron reported something 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:50.200 like that. Flip flopped on the story over the years. 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:55.120 But on the way back from landing on the moon 0:16:55.640 --> 0:17:00.359 Edgar Mitchell had this epiphany moment. He said that heperience 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:07.440 kind of like I guess, like a transcendent experience, and 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:11.160 he felt like it was kind of spiritual but also psychic. 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.560 He also did what is called remote viewing sort of 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:21.440 exercise with some friends that were on Earth and practiced 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:25.600 a psychic modality to see if they could guess a 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:29.000 picture he was holding on the Apollo spacecraft. Like he 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:32.360 had time to do kind of random experiments. He got 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:36.600 back from that and he started up the Noetics Institute, 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:41.120 which studied these kind of you know, wild out there 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:46.320 theories about psychic phenomenon, extrasensory perception, how we're all connected, 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.960 and stuff like that. He also started up the Edgar 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:55.639 Mitchell Research Foundation, and they published a study called the 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:59.040 Free Study. I think it's the Foundation for Research on 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:07.840 Extratras and Extraordinary Claims, and that compiled over three thousand 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:15.120 contact ye experiences, so people that had abductions or experienced 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:19.760 non human intelligence of various kinds. And the gray that 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:23.800 we talked about before comes up often in past Goula 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:28.760 seventy three, I'm landing the plane here. These things were 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:31.840 not grays. They had gray complexion, but it was more 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:35.960 like this elephant wrinkly skin. They had these like metal 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:39.080 spike protrusions coming out of their heads, no eyes, no mouth, 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:44.160 and they kind of had a like fused leg sort 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:48.919 of podium thing that wasn't separate legs, and they were flying. 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:50.399 They sound cool. 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:55.000 Yeah, it sound like robots, and I think Calvin Parker 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:59.160 and Charlie Hickson both echoed that that's what they thought 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:02.280 they were because they were very like robotic in nature. 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:09.760 The two men had very different experiences because one one 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.159 into a room on the right that would have been 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:15.880 Charlie Hickson. He said that he was kind of suspended 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:18.840 in the air and he had this like orb come 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:22.800 out of the wall and examined his body that was 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:26.080 kind of like an eye. And then Calvin went to 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:29.800 the left. He was in a bigger room with a table, 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:32.879 like an invisible table that he was laid on, and 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:38.719 he discussed many years later when he started becoming more 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:44.600 comfortable with talking about the experience being physically poked and prodded. 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.919 So he had like blood taken from him. He had 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:51.159 some other liquid put into him, apparently, and there was 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:56.640 a reasonably hot alien woman that was kind of orchestrating 0:19:57.200 --> 0:19:57.840 this whole thing. 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:01.440 Oh my god. Wait wait, you didn't know about that. 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:03.080 The hot, I don't remember that part. 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:03.800 So she. 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.840 She was not like a robot lady. She was more 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:09.480 like a human. 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:14.680 So those spiky had automaton things were one of them 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.480 at least was present in the room kind of, he said, 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:23.119 was like shut down, and this woman was like hovering 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:28.000 over him and kind of like conducting stuff. And apparently 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:31.800 she was not very chesty but had a pretty face. 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:35.680 And he recalled, you know, if I had a couple 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:37.560 of beers in me, I'm out of taken her out 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:40.919 on a date. Stop, I'm serious. 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:42.600 That dirty dog. 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.719 Wait a minute, but was it freaky deeky? Did they 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.920 give because you know that's a common one. 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:57.200 Yeah, I know for experiencers there is sometimes sex on 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:03.520 the craft. Somewhere in that thousand non human intelligence experiences 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:07.600 that Edgar Mitchell's Foundation compiled, I'm sure there's some sexy time. 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:10.280 Yeah, And there's been a few where they're like, she 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:13.480 was so hot, It's like, what is she? Are you 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:15.840 just trying to make it sound like you exotic? 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:19.080 Yeah, that's what I think is kind of reported that 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:21.840 the women were considered exotic. 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:26.840 So neither of them reported anything of that nature. 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:32.840 No, he just thought the female looking one was mildly 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.840 attractive and he would have had a beer with her. 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:36.760 Okay. 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.320 But when you say poked and prodded, like, where are 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:43.560 we talking about, because you know that's another part of 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:46.520 the story that you hear with these things. Yeah, there's 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:48.159 a lot of butt going. 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:51.120 On in a lot of these stories. Not this one though. 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:55.800 So the second episode of the series, we cover Calvin's 0:21:56.400 --> 0:22:00.840 experience from his perspective and we have a hip session 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:05.080 where which is actually the last hypnosis session that was recorded. 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:08.560 I think Philip mantled the man in the UK. He 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:13.480 had it remotely done by a lady named Chanel, and 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:19.960 the third episode is a new person named Maria Blair. 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:21.320 Yeah. I didn't know about this. 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:25.119 Yeah, so I didn't either write like I was learning 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:28.240 about this on the fly. But Maria Blair came forward, 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:32.920 I think in the past five to six years, because 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:36.760 she went to meet up with Calvin at like a 0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:39.240 memorial spot that they set up on the side of 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:44.400 the Pasca Goula River in Mississippi, and she was there 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:47.160 with her husband and she wanted to meet him and say, 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:51.480 you know, we saw the lights across the river that 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:55.080 night on the dock that you guys were in that area. 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:59.240 We think we saw you being abducted because my husband 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:02.679 and I or like she apparently said she pulled up 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:06.000 the car he was getting on. He was hired by 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:09.040 a captain to go on a fishing trip or whatever 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:13.359 and you know, work that because I guess commercial fishing 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:18.639 is a thing there and maybe in the seventies. And 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:21.480 while they were waiting, they saw the lights and she 0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:25.639 they had like some kind of missing time experience and 0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:29.680 then she got put under hypnosis, and so we have 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:33.359 that hypnosis session of what she recalled that night, and 0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:36.639 she said she was taken aboard the craft and they 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:42.040 took her reproductive material that took her eggs. Oh my god, yeah, 0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:43.880 for real, this is what she says. 0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:45.719 Wow, what about her husband? 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:50.240 She says that her husband might have been on board 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:55.960 the craft, but he like she claims that he kind 0:23:56.000 --> 0:23:59.040 of set her up in a way, like he knew 0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:01.920 that they were taking they wanted to take her, and 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:04.919 he made a deal with the aliens to take her 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:05.879 or something like that. 0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:10.560 What for realon she stayed with him, she loved it's love. 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:14.080 He made a deal with aliens. You can have my 0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:17.520 wife if you let me free and you let me 0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:19.359 have a beer with the one lady. 0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:23.360 This is what they say. Wow, No, that's Calvin. 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:26.560 Yeah, but maybe this guy saw that lady and said 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:27.120 the same thing. 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:29.560 I have no idea, can't speak for him. 0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:34.840 Wait a second, Okay, this story, this story is also 0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:37.880 This is something that I've said before, and I'm sure 0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:40.840 in some way whatever it could be considered problematic to 0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:46.760 say this. But I feel like if you have heterosexual men, 0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:52.159 like a working class just your average Joe that is 0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:55.000 saying that they saw a ghost or they were taken 0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:59.480 up into a UFI or whatever, it's a demographic that 0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:02.800 doesn't I want to appear super vulnerable or be called 0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:07.440 crazy or you know, make it seem they don't want that. 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:10.000 So when they come forward, I'm kind of like I 0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:12.720 believe it a little bit more than anyone else. 0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:16.680 Well, I think the interesting story with Maria and Jerry 0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:20.160 is that apparently, like the real reason she found out 0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:24.439 that this had all happened, she had like these repressed 0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:29.080 memories and didn't really recall she saw the lights. She 0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:32.480 recalled that she didn't recall really getting abducted. 0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:34.920 Apparently not until the hypnosis. 0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:39.200 Something like that. And then Jerry was in the hospital, 0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:45.200 possibly dying, and we have that like deathbed confession video 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:49.720 in the doc. She shared it with Philip, and he 0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:54.560 basically was saying, like I knew all along. I was 0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:58.399 abducted too, for like some time, and you know, I 0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:02.720 kept it from you, the truth, because I didn't want 0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:06.440 you to be living a life of panic or feel 0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:09.359 traumatized from the whole experience, so I just hit it, 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:10.840 That's what he says. 0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:16.280 Were the two guys Calvin and what's his name Charlie 0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:18.200 Hickson Charlie and Calvin, were. 0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:20.479 They still alive when these people came forward? 0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:23.560 Calvin was Charlie had passed. 0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:26.520 Was he like, you kind of sets up then it 0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:29.040 really would have made me not look crazy. 0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:33.639 Well, Yeah, they appeared on local Mississippi news channel together 0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:36.680 and Calvin proclaimed he was very happy she came forward 0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:40.480 so that he wasn't like the only person remaining alive 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:41.920 that was tied to that event. 0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:45.320 Yeah, but it's nice and helpful. But I would also 0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:48.359 be like, it's been a long time that people have 0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:50.440 just said that nobody else saw this. 0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:54.440 Yeah, in a while, take take it and Calvin. 0:26:55.840 --> 0:26:59.440 So Charlie ended up going on to always kind of 0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:03.879 talk about it. Yeah, so he would give speeches and 0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:06.800 he was like, I don't care, I'm gonna let everyone 0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:07.800 know he was. 0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:12.399 Yeah, he was out there talking, slanging the story. You know, 0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:17.400 he was at all the conferences, he was in multiple documentaries, 0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:24.080 TV interviews, news. You know. I think Calvin just had 0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:26.800 a hard time with it. Like there's a story that 0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:31.560 I think Charlie was trying constantly to get Calvin to 0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:35.280 come on the shows and stuff, and early on, I 0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:39.520 think it was like the second TV interview that they 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:43.440 were invited to, the first one that they did. I 0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:46.920 met the guy who conducted, but I didn't include the 0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:51.240 video in the dock. Their backs are to the camera 0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:54.600 and they didn't really want to show their identities. But 0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:57.480 I think an actual TV in studio interview they were 0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:03.399 invited to, and Calvin been overheard the sound guy making 0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:06.960 fun of him on set and punched him out. Oh 0:28:07.640 --> 0:28:10.320 so he got kind of like taken off the set. 0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:13.679 And then after that Calvin just tried to stay out 0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:16.440 of the spotlight about it because he just wasn't comfortable. 0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:20.840 You know. That makes it even more real, because that's 0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:25.119 the thing. Somebody comes forward and says this thing. I 0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:29.480 believe we all should kind of be skeptical at first. 0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:34.520 But I mean they weren't necessarily looking for to sell 0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:36.960 a movie. They weren't like they were just. 0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:40.040 They sold books they got Okay. 0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:43.640 Charlie had actually Charlie had a book in like the eighties, 0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:47.880 and Calvin Parker's book was published by Philip Mantle, the 0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:50.480 guy that I interviewed. Oh right, yeah, but it was 0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:54.440 much later in life for Calvin, Like Calvin only came 0:28:54.600 --> 0:29:00.520 forward really in a big way in the two thousands. Okay, yeah, but. 0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:03.760 I mean he came forward initially and then went away 0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:06.400 and then came back in the two thousands. 0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:10.400 Yep. So he tried to hide, like every time he 0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:14.600 started a new job, he was being harassed by the 0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:17.640 media that found out he was in that area. And 0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:21.520 like the reason why he got fired from the shipyard 0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:24.840 the very first time was because the media showed up 0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:28.480 the next day after the encounter, because somebody at the 0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:32.440 police station leaked that it had happened to the press, 0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:35.520 and there were just so many people trying to find 0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:39.400 out about it. And the foreman just said, you know, 0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:44.760 I'll put you on like some temporary leave, Charlie, because 0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:47.800 you've been here for a while. But Calvin, sorry, you gotta. 0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:50.600 Go mm because he was the new guy, the new guy, 0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:51.600 and you. 0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:56.640 Know, just not worth the foreman's time to keep him 0:29:56.640 --> 0:29:58.920 around if there's always going to be press kind of 0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:01.560 interrupting their day lea business at the shipyards. 0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:05.520 So that's what's so weird when sometimes in my research 0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:11.520 I'll look back at past generations of newspapers and they'll 0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:15.560 be like Calvin, who lives at blah blah blah address, 0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:16.760 Like they'll like include that. 0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:18.280 Stuff real stories. 0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:21.640 That's kind of doxing today, right, yeah, doc, people get 0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:23.480 super doxing. 0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:26.240 Yeah, not docking. That's something else. 0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:29.600 I hear about it on Twitter in the community probably 0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:33.640 about ten times a week, just because everybody's so paranoid 0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:38.240 that their identities will be fully like, their locations will 0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:39.800 be revealed. There's a lot of paranoia there. 0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:40.680 There's a lot of that. 0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:45.760 That's why I kind of put one pinky toe in 0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:50.080 the UFO world because this just a little just a 0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:51.440 little funky over there. 0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:52.640 Yeah it does. 0:30:56.520 --> 0:31:01.720 Yeah, I was thinking when you were talking about like 0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:06.200 if that was a real like assuming that this is 0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:11.240 all real. I feel so bad for those two men 0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:15.240 that not only did they have the initial experience, but 0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:20.080 then it's like you can't go anywhere without people thinking 0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:24.360 you are insane. There's probably so few people that they 0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:29.680 could turn to that had ever experienced something similar. Who 0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:32.120 knows if those people would be telling the truth. It's 0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:36.560 just like it's nice that they had each other stigma. 0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:43.400 There's definitely stigma surrounding experiencers even today. You know people 0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:48.560 that have just seen an authentic UOFO. Something about that case, 0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:53.360 which is interesting. Share Fred Diamond, who's the guy that 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:57.040 ran the station that initially interviewed them the night that 0:31:57.120 --> 0:32:02.120 they were abducted. Yes, he proclaimed that he to the 0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:07.200 newspaper that he saw the UFOs in question, like during 0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:11.720 that week and the same night that those men were 0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:16.480 supposedly taken, their phone at the police station was ringing 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:19.120 off the hook. They had like over fifty calls on 0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:23.160 different residents of the area reporting UFOs in the sky. 0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:28.320 Okay so, and then in the docu series we cover 0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:32.880 multiple witnesses that you know, Philip had to go after 0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:36.560 these people. Some people back in the day showed up 0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:42.440 on like Walter Cronkite, other police officers and Larry Booth 0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:46.080 and other residents that actually saw an object that night. 0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:49.080 They spoke to the press back in the day, but 0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:53.800 other people had to be tracked down years later and 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:57.360 Philip Mantle went after them and they finally said yes, 0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:01.040 like I saw the object you know, fly over my 0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:04.520 car that night and stuff like that. So elements like 0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:11.160 that make the case more authentic to me. And there 0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:15.000 was definitely a UFO flap going on, like a UFO 0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:19.440 that was intercepted by the coast Guard on the river. 0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:23.480 We have documents from that event, the coast Guard papers 0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:27.840 where they reported chasing this blue object that was in 0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:30.800 the water and they were poking it with like a 0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:31.920 stick and stuff like that. 0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:32.200 What. 0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:36.840 Yeah, at what point before after this would have been 0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:37.600 the same. 0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:42.040 I think it was I want to say the month after. Wow, 0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:46.320 So there was there was activity happening all around that 0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:49.600 area that fit the same sort of description of what 0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:53.520 those guys were seeing and other people the same night. 0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:54.920 Wow. 0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:55.320 Yeah. 0:33:56.240 --> 0:34:00.160 I think that the most compelling piece of evidence is 0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:05.760 the recording. Oh, the secret recording, the secret recording these 0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:08.600 two guys. It's kind of like what we call a 0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:13.480 hot Mike moment these days. It was when they first 0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:17.720 went to the police station, right, yeah, and the recorder 0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:22.400 was still running, but the two guys did not know that, 0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:25.040 and they are just authentically talking. 0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:25.719 Yeah. 0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:31.440 So Sheriffred Diamond and Glenn, the other police officer that 0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:36.320 was attending these guys, they were interviewing them, they planted 0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:38.880 a recorder in the room before the guys could know 0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:43.160 and started it and they asked like, you know, have 0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:45.640 you been on drugs tonight? Have you had anything to drink? 0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:45.800 No? 0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:49.279 No, no, sir, you know, nothing like that. And then 0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:51.760 they're like, okay, do you want like a drink coffee 0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:55.760 or something? No, no, no, And like they're pretty panicked 0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:59.440 in their voices those officers leave the room and then 0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:02.480 it's just the tw men pretty much rambling back and 0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:06.279 forth to each other in a panic state, you know. 0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:08.600 And if you had made this up, or if you 0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:13.279 watch like JSC psychology YouTube videos of like killers that 0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:16.279 are being interviewed and stuff like that, they're usually just 0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:19.560 silent when a police officer leaves the room, and these 0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:24.480 guys were traumatized continuing to discuss their experience. 0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:28.200 And you know, being you would think they would be like, 0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:32.080 should we lie, should we tell them about this thing, 0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:34.080 or should we make up? You know, I don't know, 0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:37.840 you would think there would be a little bit more yeah, something, 0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:41.560 especially because in the seventies it's not like it is today, 0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:45.600 where there's always something recording something everywhere. And like if 0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:50.200 I was in a police questioning room right now and 0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:53.160 they're like, we're not recording, I'd be like, yeah, someone's 0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:54.600 recording something in here. 0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:56.399 There's a camera in the corner of the room. 0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:58.960 There's got to be one somewhere something. 0:35:59.200 --> 0:35:59.399 Yeah. 0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:03.759 So I don't know that to be very authentic. 0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:07.319 I think it's an interesting part of the story for sure. 0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:13.719 Would you say that you believe that, I mean, I believe. 0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:19.200 People that recall being taken beyond their will should be 0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:20.239 taken seriously. 0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:21.480 I think that. 0:36:23.880 --> 0:36:28.440 This case has elements of truth to it. Other experiencers 0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:32.760 like Betty and Barney Hill, Terry Lovelace is a military 0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:35.239 man that said this happened to him on an army 0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:41.160 a military base. There's elements of that in a recent 0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:45.920 you know, experiencer named Mario Woods, also a military man 0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:49.320 that recalled this, and you know, there's probably tons of 0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:55.520 data there. But yeah, Travis Walton is a really interesting 0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:59.920 case because years later the same area where the wooded 0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:04.480 area outside of Snowflake, Arizona, in the you know, mountain 0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:09.359 side where these men were logging, like cutting trees down 0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:14.040 and stuff, and four of them saw this object. There's 0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:19.000 still weird radiation that lingered in the area, made the 0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:22.600 trees grow in a regular way, like in in in 0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:27.600 a regular way. So I think there's something to abduction. 0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:32.120 And if you know, there's three thousand cases, for example, 0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:36.600 of these non human intelligence cases that were compiled by 0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:39.160 the Edgar Mitchell Institute, if just. 0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:42.680 One of those is real, that's crazy. 0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:47.600 We're not alone and we're not you know, the highest 0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:49.520 thing on the food chain in this existence. 0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:53.480 My one thing with like all of this stuff is 0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:56.640 are you a ghost person at all? Uh? 0:37:57.360 --> 0:37:59.680 Not really, I'm not really. I feel like ghosts are 0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:01.800 kind of like a religious thing. I'm more like a 0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:05.319 nuts and bolts person. But yeah, I mean, I mean 0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:08.360 even in the study that I was talking about, the 0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:15.000 Free Foundation for Research of Extraterrestrial and Extraordinary Claims that 0:38:15.400 --> 0:38:21.040 covers near death experience encounters as well, which goes into 0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:25.040 you know, is there something after we pass away? And 0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:28.200 that goes into ghosts? So right, right right, I'm open 0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:28.440 to it. 0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:32.040 When I research stories to talk about on this podcast, 0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:39.719 it's so often stories up until the two thousands, like 0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:42.959 stories of people that lived in this crazy haunted house 0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:46.960 where stuff happening on stuff, or alien abductees, Like I 0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:50.440 feel like you don't hear about them as much. And 0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:53.759 I wonder is it because people can fake things so 0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:56.680 easily now so none none of us would believe you anyway? 0:38:57.440 --> 0:38:57.560 Is it? 0:38:57.680 --> 0:38:59.720 Like? I just don't know, Do you have any idea? 0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:02.480 Do you have any thoughts on that I think. 0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:06.840 There are ghost cases? And like to me just to 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:11.040 further explain that, unpack that what I think a ghost 0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:14.279 could be. It's just something we don't. I mean, a 0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:18.600 ghost is an old way of describing, old world way 0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:24.600 of describing, with religious connotations attached to it. Something that 0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:28.080 we can't perceive with our eyes and our brains regularly. 0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:32.640 It's something that's like here that exists that we're trying 0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:37.879 to explain with like old world terminology. So I think 0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:42.240 if somebody sees something after they pass away, or something 0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:46.800 is here existing in a like non physical way, but 0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:52.200 somehow comes into our view or I don't know, bumps 0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:55.160 into us, or is it heard over a recording, you know, 0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:58.360 like these what do you AVPs and stuff like that, 0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:01.520 I feel like that's just like a bleed through moment 0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:09.120 from another plane of existence that we don't regularly get 0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:14.040 to interact with. And I feel like science could maybe 0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:17.960 one day catch up to whatever that is and we 0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:22.640 can properly identify it with some kind of you know, 0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:27.480 better terminology. But I think there are videos I've seen 0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:32.240 some pretty interesting videos like that came from the two thousands, 0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:37.600 for example, of a famous all boys school in the UK, 0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:44.280 where the security cameras like literally show at night papers 0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:48.279 being thrown in the hallway and locker doors being slammed 0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:52.680 and like chair being thrown across the hallway and stuff, 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:54.120 and it's like, what is that? 0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:54.800 You know? 0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:58.560 That is that seems credible to me unless somebody at 0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:04.120 the school made the best invisible hoax video you could, right, 0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:08.480 No one's debunked that, right, So for me, that's some 0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:12.320 kind of entity that we can't see with our human perception, 0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:15.440 but the camera has picked up a moment that you 0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:17.120 know it existed in our realm. 0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:19.640 Because that's the thing with these abductees too. It's like, 0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:22.880 so you mean to tell me that two of the 0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:28.440 best improv actors ever were living in Pasca Goola and 0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:31.800 they were able to just commit to the bit and 0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:35.000 they decided to do that for however many decades, like 0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:38.200 come on, yeah, I mean. 0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:43.000 It's it seems to me like that's not really how 0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:45.839 it went down. I feel like something happened that night. 0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:51.000 And I mean, UFOs are real. We've got videos, pictures 0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:58.640 of all qualities and cases throughout the decades, and just 0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:03.560 thousands of people this time around the world who've experienced them, 0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:09.440 not just crazy Americans. And to think that somebody has 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:13.960 been on board one and you know they've experienced the 0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:18.279 occupants who are maybe not human the other interesting thing 0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:22.279 you could relate to the Pasca Goula case is have 0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:25.799 you ever heard of like Michael p Masters No, W's 0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:31.160 that PhD professor at I want to say, Montana Tech, 0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:37.239 which is kind of like Montana's version of I don't know, 0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:41.439 like a really it's a good university, good technical uni. 0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:48.600 And he's an professor of anthropology there who's posed the idea. 0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:51.960 He actually wrote a paper recently with a Harvard professor 0:42:53.600 --> 0:43:01.200 that's called the x ray Tempestree model and Crypto dustrial theory. 0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:05.839 The idea with this is that people that are experiencing 0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:12.800 these UFOs and the occupants sometimes are possibly encountering a 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:18.319 time machine, and the occupants might be related to us, 0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:21.040 but from the future. I like that. 0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:22.800 I think that's a fun way to look at it. 0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:26.680 Yeah, I mean he gets into the weeds about like 0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:30.040 the Grays for example, and kind of says, well, you know, 0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:36.040 there's signs that we are evolving towards like that. If 0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:41.040 you know, the singularity happens and technology melds with our 0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:47.160 biology and we become you know, more obsessed with brain 0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:51.800 power and less obsessed with sex and the other carnal 0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:55.040 pleasures of being a man. Or a woman. You know, 0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:58.080 those things don't really Some people say that they don't 0:43:58.120 --> 0:44:00.760 have like sexual organs, they don't have toilets on board, 0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:02.680 they don't have like a kitchen. 0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:03.680 Oh. 0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:11.839 Interesting, So they're more like this forced evolution synthesized being 0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:15.400 that maybe we created to carry out scientific experiments in 0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:18.680 the past on board a time machine, which is like 0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:21.800 the UFO. That's where he kind of goes with it, 0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:24.640 or he kind of says, maybe we go as far 0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:28.239 as evolving ourselves that way, and the chin, you know, 0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:31.440 is getting really small and the head's getting bigger to 0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:34.520 house a more like efficient brain, and blah blah blah. 0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:38.440 I mean, I'm totally butchering this theory right now. I'm 0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:42.439 dumbing it down. But he's looked at the Pasca Goula case, 0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:46.760 and he also looks at other reported contact tee cases 0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:50.760 where people say they actually did see human like beings 0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:53.719 or human beings that were on board the craft. And 0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:59.240 so Calvin talks about this woman. Right, there's other people 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:02.160 that have talked about seeing a woman and a man. 0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:07.799 Travis Walton, for example, saw some like sexy blue jumpsuit 0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:11.319 woman and man on board his craft after he saw 0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:15.120 the more gray looking beings at the starting of his encounter, 0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:19.719 and he apparently got gassed and then lost sight of them. 0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:24.160 But Michael P. Master's theory on that is that maybe 0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:28.000 that is us from the future coming back in a 0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:34.239 time machine, and other encounters are further down the evolutionary path, 0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:38.480 you know, maybe thousands of years, where they're coming back 0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:42.480 and observing us on the timeline, taking a specimen, you know, 0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:46.280 taking a bit of material, messing around with us, examining further, 0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:49.760 and then putting us back. And it's something humans do already, 0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:50.840 we do with animals. 0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:53.160 We do it right, right, so it doesn't it's usually 0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:56.839 not like ten out of ten sexy knockouts. 0:45:57.280 --> 0:45:59.399 Yeah, so that's like part of the job. 0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:03.480 You have to be a smoke show and a scientist 0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:08.640 and willing to possibly get freaky deekey with these people. 0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:11.719 Yeah, that would be I mean, I don't know if 0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:14.560 that's a mission requirement. But what if we get to 0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:17.719 a point where, you know, the ones that have the 0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:21.399 best technology in the future are the ones that are 0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:24.520 also the most attractive and the smartest. 0:46:26.040 --> 0:46:26.840 Fascinating. 0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:28.040 Who knows. 0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:31.439 You've given me a lot to think about here today. Good, 0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:36.680 so we know that UFOs are real. We don't fully 0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:39.279 know what these things are. 0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:40.560 Mm hm. 0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:44.439 I mean, do you do you think about who knows 0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:47.120 the truth? Do you think there's people that know the truth? 0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:48.240 I think. 0:46:49.840 --> 0:46:54.400 If you follow you know the history of this phenomenon 0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:59.239 in euphology and all of the documents that have come 0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:04.600 out from like supposed military communications, like the Air Force, 0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:11.080 the Navy, CIA, So we're talking about defense and intelligence 0:47:11.200 --> 0:47:16.680 agencies that are surrounding this subject over the decades. It 0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:20.640 points to them knowing more about the subject, but then 0:47:20.760 --> 0:47:23.880 telling the public they don't know anything and there's nothing 0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:27.520 to see here. So that would be what initially was 0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:31.200 called the cover up. Some people call it a truth embargo, 0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:37.080 and I think post twenty seventeen, since like Louise Elizondo, 0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:43.560 former Pentagon worker that worked for the DoD on a 0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:50.400 parent Advanced Aerial Threat Identification program looking at UFO videos 0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:54.560 that were coming in from different sources and TIC tech video, Yeah, 0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:59.200 that type of stuff which he got declassified. With Christopher 0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:03.480 mellon the Go Fast and the Gimbal UFO videos all 0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:08.400 FLEAR captured by F eighteen fighter pilots. We're scrambled to 0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:14.480 intercept these things usually over the ocean that's apparently just 0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:17.360 the tip of the iceberg, you know, and the Pentagon 0:48:18.200 --> 0:48:22.160 sits on a treasure trove of this data. Now skeptics 0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:26.439 and debunkers say, oh, that's all just like BS or whatever. 0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:30.759 But if it's true, and this subject has been so 0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:34.959 tightly held by the intelligence and defense community for so long, 0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:40.040 we're kind of living in this moment in time post 0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:43.480 twenty seventeen when that New York Times paper got released 0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:47.200 by Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Keene, you know, talking about 0:48:47.239 --> 0:48:52.000 those videos and Louise Ela Zondo and Christopher Mellen breaking 0:48:52.120 --> 0:48:57.360 this information, you know, whistleblowing kind of we're kind of 0:48:57.440 --> 0:49:02.200 in this like post disclosure era where more and more 0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:05.120 people are coming forward to talk about the truth of 0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:10.520 this and the cover up, the suppression and secrecy. I 0:49:10.640 --> 0:49:17.560 don't think, in my opinion, the intelligence or defense community 0:49:17.640 --> 0:49:21.160 would ever really want this to fully come forward, because 0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:25.239 if it's true that people have been hurt, killed, or 0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:30.000 seriously threatened to suppress this information over the years, why 0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:32.319 would they ever want that to fully come out, right, 0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:36.799 because then they have to admit to you know. 0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:42.040 Who's the one famous guy that like allegedly worked at 0:49:42.360 --> 0:49:43.279 Area fifty one. 0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:44.840 Bob Blazar. 0:49:45.000 --> 0:49:48.120 Bob Blazar, isn't he one of those ones that like 0:49:48.400 --> 0:49:50.560 has had a lot of drama with that. 0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:55.560 Yeah, so he's he came out in the eighties through 0:49:55.640 --> 0:50:02.680 George Knapp, famous Nevada based Las Los Angeles reporter journalist 0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:09.000 for KLAS and now eight News. Now he's been on 0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:14.880 TMZ documentaries and stuff with Jeremy Corbel and stuff. So 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:18.160 Bob Lazaar's story is that he worked at Area fifty 0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:21.800 one and he was hired to work on this like 0:50:21.920 --> 0:50:26.279 reverse engineering program for supposed alien craft that he called 0:50:26.320 --> 0:50:31.839 the sports Model that the American military had captured at 0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:35.640 one point in time in the past. And you know 0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:40.279 Louise el Zondo. David Grush is like another one of 0:50:40.320 --> 0:50:44.400 these whistleblowers that's come forward and testified before Congress in 0:50:44.480 --> 0:50:49.920 the past couple of years. There's only been three UAP 0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:54.200 congressional hearings to date so far. I've been physically in 0:50:54.400 --> 0:50:57.600 one of them. Really, yeah, it was pretty cool as 0:50:57.640 --> 0:51:03.000 a Canadian. But David Grush came forward. He was working 0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:07.239 on a program called the UAP Task Force. I've heard 0:51:07.280 --> 0:51:10.120 of that, and he was, you know, a dog hot 0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:13.000 on a trail sniffing out the secrecy of all this 0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:17.880 stuff and being pointed in the right direction by people 0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:23.719 that knew about these reverse engineering special access programs within 0:51:23.840 --> 0:51:28.840 the DoD and intelligence community. And he was an intelligence officer, 0:51:28.960 --> 0:51:32.600 so he had like the security clearances to supposedly get 0:51:32.719 --> 0:51:35.520 read into this type of stuff, but they wouldn't let 0:51:35.719 --> 0:51:41.440 him get direct access because the age old saying with 0:51:41.600 --> 0:51:44.600 regards to the secrecy of these actual programs is that 0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:48.200 it's need to know only right right. And then he 0:51:48.360 --> 0:51:52.680 became a whistleblower because he he got exposed to documentation 0:51:53.080 --> 0:51:55.759 and apparently saw videos and all that kind of proof 0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:59.880 that maybe Louise Elizondo was also being first hand, you know, 0:52:00.120 --> 0:52:04.080 experiencing when he worked for the Pentagon on a special 0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:08.960 access program but he couldn't get really fully ready in, 0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:11.799 but he interviewed people that were part of those programs 0:52:11.960 --> 0:52:15.360 that you know, we're saying this is bad, should be 0:52:15.440 --> 0:52:17.400 more out there to the public, and we should be 0:52:18.160 --> 0:52:20.160 changing the way that this is working. 0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:24.320 God, I will never be hired by the government because 0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:29.799 I would spill to everyone. Yeah, I would be like, girl, 0:52:29.880 --> 0:52:33.239 you're not gonna believe what kind of aliens they got. 0:52:33.520 --> 0:52:36.520 So you'll even hear these stories that they they have 0:52:36.760 --> 0:52:43.200 aliens like you know, whether alive or dead, that they. 0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:46.400 Some craft that they captured because apparently this has been 0:52:46.560 --> 0:52:50.480 like decades long programs they call them like legacy programs 0:52:50.560 --> 0:52:54.400 if it's like Roswell nineteen forty seven style, and then 0:52:54.560 --> 0:52:59.200 like there's new unacknowledged special access programs that are still 0:52:59.239 --> 0:53:02.040 going on today. And actually was a I don't know 0:53:02.080 --> 0:53:05.200 if you watched News Nation, which is like a CBE 0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:10.680 I think it's a CBS news network, But they released 0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:16.520 a story with journalist Ross coltheart recently, just last week, 0:53:17.280 --> 0:53:23.640 and a new whistleblower came forward named Jake Barber. Ross's Australian. 0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:28.560 It calls him Jake Baba Love the Baba Baba. 0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:32.120 And Jake said that he was part of one of 0:53:32.160 --> 0:53:36.440 these programs retrieving crashed craft or UAPs. 0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:41.759 So is there's not like a lifetime NDA like don't yeah. 0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:45.360 I think I think that's the point is that people 0:53:45.480 --> 0:53:48.719 that have experienced this or you know, been a part 0:53:48.800 --> 0:53:52.920 of this, are tired of that secrecy that they know 0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:58.080 that the greater implication is that we're not alone. That 0:53:59.040 --> 0:54:01.480 you know, the things should be explored more in the 0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:04.960 public and should be better known by the public, you know, 0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:09.319 people should be better informed, and it would also kind 0:54:09.320 --> 0:54:14.920 of change public consciousness. And probably if we knew more 0:54:14.920 --> 0:54:19.239 about these technologies, it would be an exciting and you know, 0:54:20.640 --> 0:54:26.000 scientific exploration progress in our time. 0:54:26.400 --> 0:54:29.239 I think it'd be fun to meet our neighbors, Like, 0:54:29.880 --> 0:54:33.759 I've had enough of humans, let's make some friends. I 0:54:33.800 --> 0:54:37.360 would love an alien pen pale. But I think we 0:54:37.600 --> 0:54:43.839 ultimately when anytime people panic or it's the conversations of like, yeah, 0:54:44.600 --> 0:54:46.560 if they revealed all this stuff. 0:54:46.320 --> 0:54:47.319 Everyone would freak out. 0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:50.759 The one good thing about it is like, it can't 0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:54.720 be that much of a threat because like it seems 0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:57.399 like it's been contained for a long time. 0:54:57.440 --> 0:55:02.399 If it is, yeah, I think we don't know all 0:55:02.560 --> 0:55:08.360 the nuance to that. Yeah, you know, we're not necessarily 0:55:09.400 --> 0:55:12.279 very good to every animal on the planet, and all 0:55:12.400 --> 0:55:17.520 animals are kind of there's evidence that you know, animals 0:55:18.120 --> 0:55:21.040 can prey on each other, you know, so all the 0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:24.759 way up the food chains. So we don't know for 0:55:24.880 --> 0:55:29.520 a fact that there isn't something out there that's non human, 0:55:30.400 --> 0:55:34.799 that's higher intelligence or equivalent that may want to prey 0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:38.200 on us, and there could be elements of that truth. 0:55:38.360 --> 0:55:42.759 There could also be benevolent intelligence out there that want 0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:45.440 to help us or want us to change, to become 0:55:45.680 --> 0:55:49.040 like a better citizen of the universe. You never know. 0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:53.279 That's what I always I'm one hundred percent convinced. I'm 0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:57.560 sure again, there's probably some assholes that have these UFOs, 0:55:57.880 --> 0:56:00.799 but I think that they are ultimately good and they 0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:02.880 want to help us. I think there's so much smarterer 0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:05.160 than us. They could absolutely take us out if they 0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:08.200 needed to, but they haven't, and I think that they 0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:12.320 are sick of looking at our ugly ass planet and 0:56:12.640 --> 0:56:13.919 they want to help. 0:56:14.680 --> 0:56:17.239 Yeah, we got a beautiful planet though, That's the thing, 0:56:17.320 --> 0:56:21.520 and that might be why they're attracted to our planet 0:56:21.600 --> 0:56:23.640 because it's this blue. I mean, if you look at 0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:28.360 space footage and tails from astronauts that have been outside 0:56:28.400 --> 0:56:31.279 the atmosphere, we're just like people that have been on 0:56:31.400 --> 0:56:38.359 a Jeff Bezos flight, you know, with blue origin. They're 0:56:38.400 --> 0:56:43.880 in awe because Earth is such a beautiful marvel to behold, 0:56:43.960 --> 0:56:49.640 and yeah, there's opportunity for maybe exploiting that. There's also 0:56:49.760 --> 0:56:55.880 opportunity to protect that beauty and stuff, right, So I 0:56:55.960 --> 0:57:00.440 think there's there possibly could be all kinds of reasons 0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:06.080 or motives for this phenomenon and possible interactions with non 0:57:06.200 --> 0:57:09.799 human intelligence if they're truly here, and I think one 0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:11.560 of those cases is real. They're here. 0:57:12.200 --> 0:57:13.439 Do you think that they're in the water. 0:57:14.440 --> 0:57:18.880 Yeah, that's a thing that's come up a lot before 0:57:18.960 --> 0:57:22.480 this Last year, I released a doc called trans Medium, 0:57:22.880 --> 0:57:30.080 and it's about I interviewed former Navy Admiral Tim Galladett, 0:57:30.400 --> 0:57:34.120 who also testified at one of the recent congressional hearings. 0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:39.480 I was actually at that one November thirteenth, twenty twenty four. 0:57:40.560 --> 0:57:46.720 And there's there's like, for example, those three UAP videos 0:57:46.760 --> 0:57:49.880 that were declassified and released of the public that was 0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:55.480 all ocean based phenomenon, And it seems like our navy 0:57:56.080 --> 0:58:00.840 and fighter pilots are engaging with this phenomenon and seeing 0:58:01.080 --> 0:58:05.080 evidence that it's emanating from the oceans or going into 0:58:05.120 --> 0:58:06.200 the oceans. 0:58:06.920 --> 0:58:07.000 And. 0:58:08.680 --> 0:58:12.800 What better place. I mean, you're kind of our limitations 0:58:12.880 --> 0:58:16.560 with the oceans is that we don't have the technology 0:58:16.720 --> 0:58:21.480 to circumvent friction and the ocean depth pressures and so 0:58:21.600 --> 0:58:24.720 on and so forth. So if you do have that 0:58:24.920 --> 0:58:30.360 technology that can allow you to navigate that other medium. Right, 0:58:31.920 --> 0:58:36.560 the ocean liquid water which is noncompressible, and you know, 0:58:37.240 --> 0:58:40.760 submarines I think can only travel at about like forty 0:58:40.840 --> 0:58:45.600 knots tops because of drag and all that. If you 0:58:45.720 --> 0:58:49.800 have technology and you can circumvent that, then you're basically 0:58:49.920 --> 0:58:53.120 saying cyinara to a fighter jet that's chasing you, because 0:58:53.640 --> 0:58:55.880 what are they going to do? Yeah, they're stuck in 0:58:56.280 --> 0:58:57.520 the atmosphere. 0:58:57.160 --> 0:59:02.880 So fine, Yeah, it would be so cool if they 0:59:02.960 --> 0:59:06.720 were down there and like like all the sharks and 0:59:06.760 --> 0:59:09.440 everyone already knows that they're down there, like that they 0:59:09.520 --> 0:59:11.280 can go down there, Like I don't. I just think 0:59:11.320 --> 0:59:13.600 it's I think that's fun to be because the ocean 0:59:13.720 --> 0:59:15.880 is just hasn't been explored. 0:59:16.520 --> 0:59:18.600 And yeah, it makes a lot of sense. I mean 0:59:18.680 --> 0:59:21.400 both both up or you know, up in the sky 0:59:21.720 --> 0:59:24.800 or space or weight ocean. 0:59:25.040 --> 0:59:27.760 Wait, no, no, it's a mystery, and I think, frankly, 0:59:28.160 --> 0:59:30.600 I'm of the camp where I think it's all fun 0:59:30.760 --> 0:59:33.240 as a mystery. But of course I'm nosy and I 0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:36.400 want all the answers, but I feel like I don't 0:59:36.440 --> 0:59:39.360 know if I had all the answers, then what are 0:59:39.400 --> 0:59:40.320 we going to talk about? 0:59:40.840 --> 0:59:44.480 There's always something new to explore right the world's changing 0:59:44.880 --> 0:59:46.760 and the way that we think of it. And I 0:59:46.840 --> 0:59:49.880 think this is one of those subjects that I actually 0:59:50.560 --> 0:59:52.880 started into it back in two thousand and nine, Like 0:59:52.960 --> 0:59:57.040 the very first documentary I ever made was released on 0:59:57.200 --> 1:00:03.000 YouTube in twenty twelve, and my views have changed quite 1:00:03.000 --> 1:00:05.400 a bit since then. I know that there's a lot 1:00:05.440 --> 1:00:08.120 of riff raft. There is a lot of like bs 1:00:08.400 --> 1:00:12.160 and culty type behavior and stuff that happens in eupology, 1:00:13.240 --> 1:00:17.080 but there's real stuff too, and I'm you know, sort 1:00:17.120 --> 1:00:21.600 of aligning myself with that more so and trying to, 1:00:22.520 --> 1:00:27.600 you know, correct whatever record I can. But this is like, 1:00:27.920 --> 1:00:32.120 you know, a place that when I first started researching it, 1:00:32.400 --> 1:00:37.240 I thought I was completely alone, a total like loser, 1:00:39.160 --> 1:00:46.120 you know, psycho outcast. And now you've got rear admirals 1:00:47.720 --> 1:00:51.400 testifying in front of Congress saying this is real, former 1:00:51.480 --> 1:00:57.160 intelligence and military officials. You've got congressmen and congress women 1:00:57.760 --> 1:01:01.280 reaching across the aisle. It's a bipartisan issue, one of 1:01:01.360 --> 1:01:05.360 the only ones that's crazy saying there's something here. There 1:01:05.480 --> 1:01:07.920 really is some kind of secrecy happening, and we need 1:01:08.040 --> 1:01:10.800 to unveil a bit more to the public. We should 1:01:10.880 --> 1:01:14.160 know more about where all our military budgets are going 1:01:14.280 --> 1:01:17.840 towards this subject and stuff like that. So it's it's wild. 1:01:18.000 --> 1:01:20.840 It's really kind of breaking open and becoming a mainstream 1:01:21.000 --> 1:01:24.360 topic now, and I never thought it would go that way. 1:01:24.800 --> 1:01:28.240 Talking to people NonStop, I would be so curious to 1:01:28.640 --> 1:01:33.440 see a survey of before and after the past few 1:01:33.520 --> 1:01:37.000 years on people's beliefs and if this stuff is real, 1:01:37.120 --> 1:01:40.800 because I encounter constantly people being like, well, that's real now, 1:01:41.120 --> 1:01:44.600 like we know that that's a thing. Yeah, Like it 1:01:44.880 --> 1:01:48.520 has given it the credibility that it never had. 1:01:48.960 --> 1:01:53.320 It's fascinating, yeah, And I mean there's exact evidence that 1:01:53.560 --> 1:01:59.680 proves that this was relegated to superstition, myth and considered 1:02:00.240 --> 1:02:04.480 a ridiculous joke before, Like the Air Force made that 1:02:04.920 --> 1:02:09.520 happen with Project Blue Book. They had a head scientist 1:02:10.040 --> 1:02:16.200 Jay Allen Heinek working on behalf of their organization, intercepting 1:02:16.360 --> 1:02:18.960 any credible cases and explaining to the public that it 1:02:19.080 --> 1:02:24.680 was swamp gas or prosaic explanations. When whole towns or 1:02:25.040 --> 1:02:30.160 communities were seeing objects land, you know, fly around in 1:02:30.240 --> 1:02:32.760 the sky over their farms and stuff like that, people 1:02:33.160 --> 1:02:36.520 some people reported being abducted back then. The Betty and 1:02:36.560 --> 1:02:38.920 Barney Hill case was, you know, part of the Project 1:02:38.920 --> 1:02:41.000 Blue Book Days and the Air Force got involved. 1:02:42.360 --> 1:02:45.840 That that's an iconic one. Yeah, the Betty and Barney 1:02:45.880 --> 1:02:48.080 Hill one. But we should probably wrap it up. I 1:02:48.200 --> 1:02:50.360 just realized how long we've been talking. This is so fun. 1:02:50.440 --> 1:02:51.360 I love hearing all this. 1:02:51.680 --> 1:02:52.560 Yeah, thanks for having me. 1:02:52.680 --> 1:02:55.600 Ross. Tell everyone where they can find your work. 1:02:56.520 --> 1:03:01.840 Yeah, they can check out my website, journeys is ocult 1:03:01.880 --> 1:03:04.320 journeys dot com is my studio site. They can see 1:03:04.400 --> 1:03:08.920 like all my past film catalog plus this one. 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