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Speaker 2: Hey, Joky, I'm really sure it's dead.

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Speaker 1: It's coming this way. Wait a minute, I said, I

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Speaker 3: Hey boo, it's me Ros And welcome to Ghosted by

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Speaker 3: Raz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people that

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Speaker 3: I like about the paranormal. I have been talking to

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Speaker 3: people lately that I like, but I did not know

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Speaker 3: them before. Uh, because you know, we're trying we're trying

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Speaker 3: out different things in this new year, and uh, I'm

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Speaker 3: talking to someone that made a documentary about a very

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Speaker 3: famous alien abduction, the Pascagoula Abduction, which is a.

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Speaker 1: Fun word to say.

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Speaker 2: The time that we had the host of That's Messed Up,

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Speaker 2: Kara Klank and Lisa Trager, when the two of them

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Speaker 2: were on the show a little while back, we talked

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Speaker 2: about this case, but not nearly as in depth as

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Speaker 2: we do on today's episode, because we have on this filmmaker.

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Speaker 2: He's got a new four part series called Pascagoula seventy three,

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Speaker 2: and he really really researched this one, and I think

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Speaker 2: it's a compelling story. I also realized, I don't think

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Speaker 2: we've ever had a UFO alien person quite like this

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Speaker 2: on the show. But this is definitely a UAU episode,

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'm very curious what you think of this,

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Speaker 2: and with me doing what we're doing, which is sometimes

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Speaker 2: not having silly people. And when I have people on

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Speaker 2: We don't do that with our expert type guests. But

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Speaker 2: I hope you enjoy this conversation today. Let me just

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Speaker 2: tell you a story I read in my email. This

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Speaker 2: one comes from Melissa, who writes the subject line, my

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Speaker 2: dead grandmother ruined the surprise of my engagement.

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Speaker 1: And then in parentheses, happily.

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Speaker 2: Melissa writes, one night in September twenty fourteen, I had

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Speaker 2: a wonderful visit with my maternal grandmother while I was asleep.

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Speaker 2: When these types of dreams happened, the majority of the

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Speaker 2: ear to ear and gave me the tightest hug of congratulations. Well,

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Speaker 2: the next day, Sunday, I had taken off from work

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Speaker 2: Long Island. Aside from the rich snobs you sometimes run into,

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Speaker 2: to propose to me on the beach, and yes, that's

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Speaker 2: which I feel often. I hope that everybody out there

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Speaker 2: thank you for sending that, Granny. We love the congratulations,

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Speaker 2: but wait, wait until the night after. Don't jump the gun, Grannie.

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Speaker 1: Now I think it's adorable. That's so sweet. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. We're gonna talk about an alien abduction.

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Speaker 2: Here's my conversation with filmmaker Darcy Weir and with the show.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: I am joined by a documentary filmmaker who has a

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Speaker 2: new film called Pascagoula seventy three.

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Speaker 1: Darcy, We're hey, Ross, Hi from Canada.

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Speaker 4: From Canada.

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Speaker 1: You're pretty nice, and that's what they say.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, not all of us, but I try to be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't. I have not met those people yet,

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Speaker 1: but I assume you know there's assholes everywhere.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's true.

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Speaker 1: But we're here to talk about UFOs. Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: You're not a ufologist.

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Speaker 4: I don't consider myself a ufologist. I consider myself an

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Speaker 2: a it's not a degree someone can have a ufologist.

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Speaker 4: I think there's people within uphology that are trying to

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Speaker 4: push degrees right now, Oh really, Yeah, there's a guy

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Speaker 4: named Danny Shean that has like the new Paradigm Research

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Speaker 4: Institute and he sells courses for like ten thousand of pop.

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Speaker 1: Oh maybe this is the business I should get into.

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Speaker 1: Maybe what are you going to teach uphology?

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Speaker 4: You I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I like ufo ology, ufo oology. I like, oh, yeah

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Speaker 1: that's true ufo. No, I say, borrow the first Oh

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Speaker 1: you ufo wait ufo ufology.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that as good because it's one of those things

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Speaker 2: like biopic or biopic.

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Speaker 1: It's biopic.

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Speaker 4: People say biopics, people say biosity. It sounds like a

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Speaker 1: It sounds like an eye thing for sure. But okay,

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Speaker 1: so this film, yeah, would you consider it a film

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Speaker 1: or is it a docu series series?

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Speaker 4: Four episodes and we just cover a different thing each episode, but.

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Speaker 1: All based in this one case. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I wish it was longer than two.

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Speaker 5: Episodes me to So this one's four Yeah, that's one

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Speaker 5: it's like just stop toney, this is a ten minute story.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this story merits four episodes because there

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Speaker 4: speak to this ufologist, Philip Mantel, who's, like you know,

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Speaker 4: so essentially I sat down with him. He unpacked everything,

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, that's what I love so much because I

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Speaker 2: a very specific reason because, by far the hottest, sexiest

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Speaker 2: is Parker how Ben Part that's exactly in nineteen seventy three,

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Speaker 4: Well, you know what, he's flattered from the grave.

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Speaker 2: we couldn't get we couldn't get it, like, we couldn't

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Speaker 4: Right, he became the Mississippi abductee man of mystery, which makes.

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Speaker 1: Him even hotter.

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Speaker 4: He knew that.

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Speaker 1: He said, I'm just gonna go be hot somewhere else.

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Speaker 4: There you go. He was afraid of being too hot

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Speaker 4: And became an international heart throb.

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Speaker 2: But that's what instantly, when I watched the first episode,

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Speaker 4: And there's some weird stuff that I unpacked. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Hey, give us so give us the details. So for

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Speaker 1: anyone that doesn't know, So these two guys, they go fishing.

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Speaker 1: Didn't seem like the cutest place to go fishing, by

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Speaker 4: I think it was maybe let's have some beers, chat

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Shortly after they started chatting and you know,

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Speaker 4: So those spiky had automaton things were one of them

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know for experiencers there is sometimes sex on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's been a few where they're like, she

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Speaker 4: No, he just thought the female looking one was mildly

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Speaker 1: On in a lot of these stories. Not this one though.

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Speaker 4: So the second episode of the series, we cover Calvin's

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't know about this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I didn't either write like I was learning

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Speaker 4: She says that her husband might have been on board

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Speaker 2: What for realon she stayed with him, she loved it's love.

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Speaker 4: This is what they say. Wow, No, that's Calvin.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the interesting story with Maria and Jerry

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Speaker 2: Were the two guys Calvin and what's his name Charlie

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Speaker 1: They still alive when these people came forward?

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Speaker 4: Calvin was Charlie had passed.

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Speaker 4: Well, Yeah, they appeared on local Mississippi news channel together

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's nice and helpful. But I would also

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Speaker 4: I think Charlie was trying constantly to get Calvin to

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Speaker 4: of the spotlight about it because he just wasn't comfortable.

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00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: You know. That makes it even more real, because that's

441
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 2: the thing. Somebody comes forward and says this thing. I

442
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: believe we all should kind of be skeptical at first.

443
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: But I mean they weren't necessarily looking for to sell

444
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: a movie. They weren't like they were just.

445
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: They sold books they got Okay.

446
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 4: Charlie had actually Charlie had a book in like the eighties,

447
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 4: and Calvin Parker's book was published by Philip Mantle, the

448
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 4: guy that I interviewed. Oh right, yeah, but it was

449
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 4: much later in life for Calvin, Like Calvin only came

450
00:28:54,600 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 4: forward really in a big way in the two thousands. Okay, yeah, but.

451
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: I mean he came forward initially and then went away

452
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: and then came back in the two thousands.

453
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 4: Yep. So he tried to hide, like every time he

454
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 4: started a new job, he was being harassed by the

455
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 4: media that found out he was in that area. And

456
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 4: like the reason why he got fired from the shipyard

457
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 4: the very first time was because the media showed up

458
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 4: the next day after the encounter, because somebody at the

459
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 4: police station leaked that it had happened to the press,

460
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 4: and there were just so many people trying to find

461
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 4: out about it. And the foreman just said, you know,

462
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 4: I'll put you on like some temporary leave, Charlie, because

463
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 4: you've been here for a while. But Calvin, sorry, you gotta.

464
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: Go mm because he was the new guy, the new guy,

465
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: and you.

466
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 4: Know, just not worth the foreman's time to keep him

467
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 4: around if there's always going to be press kind of

468
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 4: interrupting their day lea business at the shipyards.

469
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: So that's what's so weird when sometimes in my research

470
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: I'll look back at past generations of newspapers and they'll

471
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: be like Calvin, who lives at blah blah blah address,

472
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: Like they'll like include that.

473
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: Stuff real stories.

474
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: That's kind of doxing today, right, yeah, doc, people get

475
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: super doxing.

476
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, not docking. That's something else.

477
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 4: I hear about it on Twitter in the community probably

478
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 4: about ten times a week, just because everybody's so paranoid

479
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 4: that their identities will be fully like, their locations will

480
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 4: be revealed. There's a lot of paranoia there.

481
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot of that.

482
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: That's why I kind of put one pinky toe in

483
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: the UFO world because this just a little just a

484
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: little funky over there.

485
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 4: Yeah it does.

486
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking when you were talking about like

487
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: if that was a real like assuming that this is

488
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: all real. I feel so bad for those two men

489
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: that not only did they have the initial experience, but

490
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: then it's like you can't go anywhere without people thinking

491
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: you are insane. There's probably so few people that they

492
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: could turn to that had ever experienced something similar. Who

493
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: knows if those people would be telling the truth. It's

494
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: just like it's nice that they had each other stigma.

495
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 4: There's definitely stigma surrounding experiencers even today. You know people

496
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 4: that have just seen an authentic UOFO. Something about that case,

497
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 4: which is interesting. Share Fred Diamond, who's the guy that

498
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 4: ran the station that initially interviewed them the night that

499
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 4: they were abducted. Yes, he proclaimed that he to the

500
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 4: newspaper that he saw the UFOs in question, like during

501
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 4: that week and the same night that those men were

502
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 4: supposedly taken, their phone at the police station was ringing

503
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 4: off the hook. They had like over fifty calls on

504
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 4: different residents of the area reporting UFOs in the sky.

505
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 4: Okay so, and then in the docu series we cover

506
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 4: multiple witnesses that you know, Philip had to go after

507
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 4: these people. Some people back in the day showed up

508
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 4: on like Walter Cronkite, other police officers and Larry Booth

509
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 4: and other residents that actually saw an object that night.

510
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 4: They spoke to the press back in the day, but

511
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 4: other people had to be tracked down years later and

512
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 4: Philip Mantle went after them and they finally said yes,

513
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 4: like I saw the object you know, fly over my

514
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 4: car that night and stuff like that. So elements like

515
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 4: that make the case more authentic to me. And there

516
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 4: was definitely a UFO flap going on, like a UFO

517
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 4: that was intercepted by the coast Guard on the river.

518
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 4: We have documents from that event, the coast Guard papers

519
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 4: where they reported chasing this blue object that was in

520
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 4: the water and they were poking it with like a

521
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 4: stick and stuff like that.

522
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: What.

523
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, at what point before after this would have been

524
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: the same.

525
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 4: I think it was I want to say the month after. Wow,

526
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 4: So there was there was activity happening all around that

527
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 4: area that fit the same sort of description of what

528
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 4: those guys were seeing and other people the same night.

529
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: Wow.

530
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

531
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: I think that the most compelling piece of evidence is

532
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: the recording. Oh, the secret recording, the secret recording these

533
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: two guys. It's kind of like what we call a

534
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: hot Mike moment these days. It was when they first

535
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 2: went to the police station, right, yeah, and the recorder

536
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: was still running, but the two guys did not know that,

537
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: and they are just authentically talking.

538
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

539
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 4: So Sheriffred Diamond and Glenn, the other police officer that

540
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 4: was attending these guys, they were interviewing them, they planted

541
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 4: a recorder in the room before the guys could know

542
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 4: and started it and they asked like, you know, have

543
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 4: you been on drugs tonight? Have you had anything to drink?

544
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 2: No?

545
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 4: No, no, sir, you know, nothing like that. And then

546
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 4: they're like, okay, do you want like a drink coffee

547
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 4: or something? No, no, no, And like they're pretty panicked

548
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 4: in their voices those officers leave the room and then

549
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 4: it's just the tw men pretty much rambling back and

550
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 4: forth to each other in a panic state, you know.

551
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 4: And if you had made this up, or if you

552
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 4: watch like JSC psychology YouTube videos of like killers that

553
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 4: are being interviewed and stuff like that, they're usually just

554
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 4: silent when a police officer leaves the room, and these

555
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 4: guys were traumatized continuing to discuss their experience.

556
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: And you know, being you would think they would be like,

557
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: should we lie, should we tell them about this thing,

558
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: or should we make up? You know, I don't know,

559
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 2: you would think there would be a little bit more yeah, something,

560
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: especially because in the seventies it's not like it is today,

561
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: where there's always something recording something everywhere. And like if

562
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: I was in a police questioning room right now and

563
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: they're like, we're not recording, I'd be like, yeah, someone's

564
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: recording something in here.

565
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 4: There's a camera in the corner of the room.

566
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: There's got to be one somewhere something.

567
00:35:59,200 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 4: Yeah.

568
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: So I don't know that to be very authentic.

569
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 4: I think it's an interesting part of the story for sure.

570
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: Would you say that you believe that, I mean, I believe.

571
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 4: People that recall being taken beyond their will should be

572
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 4: taken seriously.

573
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: I think that.

574
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 4: This case has elements of truth to it. Other experiencers

575
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 4: like Betty and Barney Hill, Terry Lovelace is a military

576
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 4: man that said this happened to him on an army

577
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 4: a military base. There's elements of that in a recent

578
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 4: you know, experiencer named Mario Woods, also a military man

579
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 4: that recalled this, and you know, there's probably tons of

580
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 4: data there. But yeah, Travis Walton is a really interesting

581
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 4: case because years later the same area where the wooded

582
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 4: area outside of Snowflake, Arizona, in the you know, mountain

583
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 4: side where these men were logging, like cutting trees down

584
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 4: and stuff, and four of them saw this object. There's

585
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 4: still weird radiation that lingered in the area, made the

586
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 4: trees grow in a regular way, like in in in

587
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 4: a regular way. So I think there's something to abduction.

588
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 4: And if you know, there's three thousand cases, for example,

589
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 4: of these non human intelligence cases that were compiled by

590
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 4: the Edgar Mitchell Institute, if just.

591
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: One of those is real, that's crazy.

592
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 4: We're not alone and we're not you know, the highest

593
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 4: thing on the food chain in this existence.

594
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: My one thing with like all of this stuff is

595
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: are you a ghost person at all? Uh?

596
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 4: Not really, I'm not really. I feel like ghosts are

597
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 4: kind of like a religious thing. I'm more like a

598
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 4: nuts and bolts person. But yeah, I mean, I mean

599
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 4: even in the study that I was talking about, the

600
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 4: Free Foundation for Research of Extraterrestrial and Extraordinary Claims that

601
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 4: covers near death experience encounters as well, which goes into

602
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 4: you know, is there something after we pass away? And

603
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 4: that goes into ghosts? So right, right right, I'm open

604
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 4: to it.

605
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: When I research stories to talk about on this podcast,

606
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: it's so often stories up until the two thousands, like

607
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,959
Speaker 2: stories of people that lived in this crazy haunted house

608
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: where stuff happening on stuff, or alien abductees, Like I

609
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: feel like you don't hear about them as much. And

610
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: I wonder is it because people can fake things so

611
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: easily now so none none of us would believe you anyway?

612
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: Is it?

613
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: Like? I just don't know, Do you have any idea?

614
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts on that I think.

615
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 4: There are ghost cases? And like to me just to

616
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 4: further explain that, unpack that what I think a ghost

617
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 4: could be. It's just something we don't. I mean, a

618
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 4: ghost is an old way of describing, old world way

619
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 4: of describing, with religious connotations attached to it. Something that

620
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 4: we can't perceive with our eyes and our brains regularly.

621
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 4: It's something that's like here that exists that we're trying

622
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 4: to explain with like old world terminology. So I think

623
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 4: if somebody sees something after they pass away, or something

624
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 4: is here existing in a like non physical way, but

625
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 4: somehow comes into our view or I don't know, bumps

626
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 4: into us, or is it heard over a recording, you know,

627
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 4: like these what do you AVPs and stuff like that,

628
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 4: I feel like that's just like a bleed through moment

629
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 4: from another plane of existence that we don't regularly get

630
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 4: to interact with. And I feel like science could maybe

631
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 4: one day catch up to whatever that is and we

632
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 4: can properly identify it with some kind of you know,

633
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 4: better terminology. But I think there are videos I've seen

634
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 4: some pretty interesting videos like that came from the two thousands,

635
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 4: for example, of a famous all boys school in the UK,

636
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 4: where the security cameras like literally show at night papers

637
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 4: being thrown in the hallway and locker doors being slammed

638
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 4: and like chair being thrown across the hallway and stuff,

639
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 4: and it's like, what is that?

640
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 2: You know?

641
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 4: That is that seems credible to me unless somebody at

642
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 4: the school made the best invisible hoax video you could, right,

643
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 4: No one's debunked that, right, So for me, that's some

644
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 4: kind of entity that we can't see with our human perception,

645
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 4: but the camera has picked up a moment that you

646
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 4: know it existed in our realm.

647
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: Because that's the thing with these abductees too. It's like,

648
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 2: so you mean to tell me that two of the

649
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: best improv actors ever were living in Pasca Goola and

650
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 2: they were able to just commit to the bit and

651
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: they decided to do that for however many decades, like

652
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: come on, yeah, I mean.

653
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 4: It's it seems to me like that's not really how

654
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 4: it went down. I feel like something happened that night.

655
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 4: And I mean, UFOs are real. We've got videos, pictures

656
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 4: of all qualities and cases throughout the decades, and just

657
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 4: thousands of people this time around the world who've experienced them,

658
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 4: not just crazy Americans. And to think that somebody has

659
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 4: been on board one and you know they've experienced the

660
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 4: occupants who are maybe not human the other interesting thing

661
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 4: you could relate to the Pasca Goula case is have

662
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 4: you ever heard of like Michael p Masters No, W's

663
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 4: that PhD professor at I want to say, Montana Tech,

664
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 4: which is kind of like Montana's version of I don't know,

665
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 4: like a really it's a good university, good technical uni.

666
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 4: And he's an professor of anthropology there who's posed the idea.

667
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 4: He actually wrote a paper recently with a Harvard professor

668
00:42:53,600 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 4: that's called the x ray Tempestree model and Crypto dustrial theory.

669
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 4: The idea with this is that people that are experiencing

670
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 4: these UFOs and the occupants sometimes are possibly encountering a

671
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 4: time machine, and the occupants might be related to us,

672
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 4: but from the future. I like that.

673
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: I think that's a fun way to look at it.

674
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he gets into the weeds about like

675
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 4: the Grays for example, and kind of says, well, you know,

676
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 4: there's signs that we are evolving towards like that. If

677
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 4: you know, the singularity happens and technology melds with our

678
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 4: biology and we become you know, more obsessed with brain

679
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 4: power and less obsessed with sex and the other carnal

680
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 4: pleasures of being a man. Or a woman. You know,

681
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 4: those things don't really Some people say that they don't

682
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 4: have like sexual organs, they don't have toilets on board,

683
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 4: they don't have like a kitchen.

684
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: Oh.

685
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 4: Interesting, So they're more like this forced evolution synthesized being

686
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 4: that maybe we created to carry out scientific experiments in

687
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 4: the past on board a time machine, which is like

688
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 4: the UFO. That's where he kind of goes with it,

689
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 4: or he kind of says, maybe we go as far

690
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 4: as evolving ourselves that way, and the chin, you know,

691
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 4: is getting really small and the head's getting bigger to

692
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 4: house a more like efficient brain, and blah blah blah.

693
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm totally butchering this theory right now. I'm

694
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 4: dumbing it down. But he's looked at the Pasca Goula case,

695
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 4: and he also looks at other reported contact tee cases

696
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 4: where people say they actually did see human like beings

697
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 4: or human beings that were on board the craft. And

698
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 4: so Calvin talks about this woman. Right, there's other people

699
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 4: that have talked about seeing a woman and a man.

700
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 4: Travis Walton, for example, saw some like sexy blue jumpsuit

701
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 4: woman and man on board his craft after he saw

702
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 4: the more gray looking beings at the starting of his encounter,

703
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 4: and he apparently got gassed and then lost sight of them.

704
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 4: But Michael P. Master's theory on that is that maybe

705
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 4: that is us from the future coming back in a

706
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 4: time machine, and other encounters are further down the evolutionary path,

707
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 4: you know, maybe thousands of years, where they're coming back

708
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 4: and observing us on the timeline, taking a specimen, you know,

709
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 4: taking a bit of material, messing around with us, examining further,

710
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 4: and then putting us back. And it's something humans do already,

711
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 4: we do with animals.

712
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 2: We do it right, right, so it doesn't it's usually

713
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 2: not like ten out of ten sexy knockouts.

714
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's like part of the job.

715
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: You have to be a smoke show and a scientist

716
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: and willing to possibly get freaky deekey with these people.

717
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be I mean, I don't know if

718
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 4: that's a mission requirement. But what if we get to

719
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 4: a point where, you know, the ones that have the

720
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 4: best technology in the future are the ones that are

721
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 4: also the most attractive and the smartest.

722
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: Fascinating.

723
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 4: Who knows.

724
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 2: You've given me a lot to think about here today. Good,

725
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: so we know that UFOs are real. We don't fully

726
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 2: know what these things are.

727
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 4: Mm hm.

728
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 1: I mean, do you do you think about who knows

729
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: the truth? Do you think there's people that know the truth?

730
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 1: I think.

731
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 4: If you follow you know the history of this phenomenon

732
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 4: in euphology and all of the documents that have come

733
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 4: out from like supposed military communications, like the Air Force,

734
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 4: the Navy, CIA, So we're talking about defense and intelligence

735
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 4: agencies that are surrounding this subject over the decades. It

736
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 4: points to them knowing more about the subject, but then

737
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 4: telling the public they don't know anything and there's nothing

738
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 4: to see here. So that would be what initially was

739
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 4: called the cover up. Some people call it a truth embargo,

740
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 4: and I think post twenty seventeen, since like Louise Elizondo,

741
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 4: former Pentagon worker that worked for the DoD on a

742
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 4: parent Advanced Aerial Threat Identification program looking at UFO videos

743
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 4: that were coming in from different sources and TIC tech video, Yeah,

744
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 4: that type of stuff which he got declassified. With Christopher

745
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 4: mellon the Go Fast and the Gimbal UFO videos all

746
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 4: FLEAR captured by F eighteen fighter pilots. We're scrambled to

747
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 4: intercept these things usually over the ocean that's apparently just

748
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 4: the tip of the iceberg, you know, and the Pentagon

749
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 4: sits on a treasure trove of this data. Now skeptics

750
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 4: and debunkers say, oh, that's all just like BS or whatever.

751
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 4: But if it's true, and this subject has been so

752
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,959
Speaker 4: tightly held by the intelligence and defense community for so long,

753
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 4: we're kind of living in this moment in time post

754
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 4: twenty seventeen when that New York Times paper got released

755
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 4: by Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Keene, you know, talking about

756
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 4: those videos and Louise Ela Zondo and Christopher Mellen breaking

757
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 4: this information, you know, whistleblowing kind of we're kind of

758
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 4: in this like post disclosure era where more and more

759
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 4: people are coming forward to talk about the truth of

760
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 4: this and the cover up, the suppression and secrecy. I

761
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 4: don't think, in my opinion, the intelligence or defense community

762
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 4: would ever really want this to fully come forward, because

763
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 4: if it's true that people have been hurt, killed, or

764
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 4: seriously threatened to suppress this information over the years, why

765
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 4: would they ever want that to fully come out, right,

766
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 4: because then they have to admit to you know.

767
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: Who's the one famous guy that like allegedly worked at

768
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: Area fifty one.

769
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 4: Bob Blazar.

770
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: Bob Blazar, isn't he one of those ones that like

771
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: has had a lot of drama with that.

772
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he's he came out in the eighties through

773
00:49:55,640 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 4: George Knapp, famous Nevada based Las Los Angeles reporter journalist

774
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 4: for KLAS and now eight News. Now he's been on

775
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 4: TMZ documentaries and stuff with Jeremy Corbel and stuff. So

776
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 4: Bob Lazaar's story is that he worked at Area fifty

777
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 4: one and he was hired to work on this like

778
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 4: reverse engineering program for supposed alien craft that he called

779
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 4: the sports Model that the American military had captured at

780
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 4: one point in time in the past. And you know

781
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 4: Louise el Zondo. David Grush is like another one of

782
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 4: these whistleblowers that's come forward and testified before Congress in

783
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 4: the past couple of years. There's only been three UAP

784
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 4: congressional hearings to date so far. I've been physically in

785
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 4: one of them. Really, yeah, it was pretty cool as

786
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 4: a Canadian. But David Grush came forward. He was working

787
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 4: on a program called the UAP Task Force. I've heard

788
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 4: of that, and he was, you know, a dog hot

789
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 4: on a trail sniffing out the secrecy of all this

790
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 4: stuff and being pointed in the right direction by people

791
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 4: that knew about these reverse engineering special access programs within

792
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 4: the DoD and intelligence community. And he was an intelligence officer,

793
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 4: so he had like the security clearances to supposedly get

794
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 4: read into this type of stuff, but they wouldn't let

795
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 4: him get direct access because the age old saying with

796
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 4: regards to the secrecy of these actual programs is that

797
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 4: it's need to know only right right. And then he

798
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 4: became a whistleblower because he he got exposed to documentation

799
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 4: and apparently saw videos and all that kind of proof

800
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 4: that maybe Louise Elizondo was also being first hand, you know,

801
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 4: experiencing when he worked for the Pentagon on a special

802
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 4: access program but he couldn't get really fully ready in,

803
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 4: but he interviewed people that were part of those programs

804
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 4: that you know, we're saying this is bad, should be

805
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 4: more out there to the public, and we should be

806
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 4: changing the way that this is working.

807
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 2: God, I will never be hired by the government because

808
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 2: I would spill to everyone. Yeah, I would be like, girl,

809
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 2: you're not gonna believe what kind of aliens they got.

810
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: So you'll even hear these stories that they they have

811
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 2: aliens like you know, whether alive or dead, that they.

812
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 4: Some craft that they captured because apparently this has been

813
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 4: like decades long programs they call them like legacy programs

814
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 4: if it's like Roswell nineteen forty seven style, and then

815
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 4: like there's new unacknowledged special access programs that are still

816
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 4: going on today. And actually was a I don't know

817
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 4: if you watched News Nation, which is like a CBE

818
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 4: I think it's a CBS news network, But they released

819
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 4: a story with journalist Ross coltheart recently, just last week,

820
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 4: and a new whistleblower came forward named Jake Barber. Ross's Australian.

821
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: It calls him Jake Baba Love the Baba Baba.

822
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 4: And Jake said that he was part of one of

823
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 4: these programs retrieving crashed craft or UAPs.

824
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: So is there's not like a lifetime NDA like don't yeah.

825
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 4: I think I think that's the point is that people

826
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 4: that have experienced this or you know, been a part

827
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 4: of this, are tired of that secrecy that they know

828
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 4: that the greater implication is that we're not alone. That

829
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 4: you know, the things should be explored more in the

830
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 4: public and should be better known by the public, you know,

831
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 4: people should be better informed, and it would also kind

832
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 4: of change public consciousness. And probably if we knew more

833
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 4: about these technologies, it would be an exciting and you know,

834
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 4: scientific exploration progress in our time.

835
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 2: I think it'd be fun to meet our neighbors, Like,

836
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 2: I've had enough of humans, let's make some friends. I

837
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 2: would love an alien pen pale. But I think we

838
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 2: ultimately when anytime people panic or it's the conversations of like, yeah,

839
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: if they revealed all this stuff.

840
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: Everyone would freak out.

841
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 2: The one good thing about it is like, it can't

842
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 2: be that much of a threat because like it seems

843
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 2: like it's been contained for a long time.

844
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 4: If it is, yeah, I think we don't know all

845
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 4: the nuance to that. Yeah, you know, we're not necessarily

846
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 4: very good to every animal on the planet, and all

847
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 4: animals are kind of there's evidence that you know, animals

848
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 4: can prey on each other, you know, so all the

849
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 4: way up the food chains. So we don't know for

850
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 4: a fact that there isn't something out there that's non human,

851
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 4: that's higher intelligence or equivalent that may want to prey

852
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 4: on us, and there could be elements of that truth.

853
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 4: There could also be benevolent intelligence out there that want

854
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 4: to help us or want us to change, to become

855
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 4: like a better citizen of the universe. You never know.

856
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 2: That's what I always I'm one hundred percent convinced. I'm

857
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: sure again, there's probably some assholes that have these UFOs,

858
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 2: but I think that they are ultimately good and they

859
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 2: want to help us. I think there's so much smarterer

860
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 2: than us. They could absolutely take us out if they

861
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 2: needed to, but they haven't, and I think that they

862
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 2: are sick of looking at our ugly ass planet and

863
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 2: they want to help.

864
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got a beautiful planet though, That's the thing,

865
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 4: and that might be why they're attracted to our planet

866
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 4: because it's this blue. I mean, if you look at

867
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 4: space footage and tails from astronauts that have been outside

868
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 4: the atmosphere, we're just like people that have been on

869
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 4: a Jeff Bezos flight, you know, with blue origin. They're

870
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 4: in awe because Earth is such a beautiful marvel to behold,

871
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 4: and yeah, there's opportunity for maybe exploiting that. There's also

872
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 4: opportunity to protect that beauty and stuff, right, So I

873
00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 4: think there's there possibly could be all kinds of reasons

874
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 4: or motives for this phenomenon and possible interactions with non

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00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 4: human intelligence if they're truly here, and I think one

876
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 4: of those cases is real. They're here.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that they're in the water.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a thing that's come up a lot before

879
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 4: this Last year, I released a doc called trans Medium,

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00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 4: and it's about I interviewed former Navy Admiral Tim Galladett,

881
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 4: who also testified at one of the recent congressional hearings.

882
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 4: I was actually at that one November thirteenth, twenty twenty four.

883
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 4: And there's there's like, for example, those three UAP videos

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Speaker 4: that were declassified and released of the public that was

885
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 4: all ocean based phenomenon, And it seems like our navy

886
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 4: and fighter pilots are engaging with this phenomenon and seeing

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00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 4: evidence that it's emanating from the oceans or going into

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00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 4: the oceans.

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Speaker 2: And.

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00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 4: What better place. I mean, you're kind of our limitations

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00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 4: with the oceans is that we don't have the technology

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00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 4: to circumvent friction and the ocean depth pressures and so

893
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 4: on and so forth. So if you do have that

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00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 4: technology that can allow you to navigate that other medium. Right,

895
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 4: the ocean liquid water which is noncompressible, and you know,

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00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 4: submarines I think can only travel at about like forty

897
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 4: knots tops because of drag and all that. If you

898
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 4: have technology and you can circumvent that, then you're basically

899
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 4: saying cyinara to a fighter jet that's chasing you, because

900
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 4: what are they going to do? Yeah, they're stuck in

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00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 4: the atmosphere.

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00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 2: So fine, Yeah, it would be so cool if they

903
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 2: were down there and like like all the sharks and

904
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 2: everyone already knows that they're down there, like that they

905
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 2: can go down there, Like I don't. I just think

906
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 2: it's I think that's fun to be because the ocean

907
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: is just hasn't been explored.

908
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: And yeah, it makes a lot of sense. I mean

909
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: both both up or you know, up in the sky

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00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: or space or weight ocean.

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00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 2: Wait, no, no, it's a mystery, and I think, frankly,

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Speaker 2: I'm of the camp where I think it's all fun

913
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 2: as a mystery. But of course I'm nosy and I

914
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 2: want all the answers, but I feel like I don't

915
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 2: know if I had all the answers, then what are

916
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Speaker 2: we going to talk about?

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Speaker 4: There's always something new to explore right the world's changing

918
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 4: and the way that we think of it. And I

919
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 4: think this is one of those subjects that I actually

920
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 4: started into it back in two thousand and nine, Like

921
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 4: the very first documentary I ever made was released on

922
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 4: YouTube in twenty twelve, and my views have changed quite

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Speaker 4: a bit since then. I know that there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of riff raft. There is a lot of like bs

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01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 4: and culty type behavior and stuff that happens in eupology,

926
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 4: but there's real stuff too, and I'm you know, sort

927
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 4: of aligning myself with that more so and trying to,

928
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Speaker 4: you know, correct whatever record I can. But this is like,

929
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Speaker 4: you know, a place that when I first started researching it,

930
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 4: I thought I was completely alone, a total like loser,

931
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 4: you know, psycho outcast. And now you've got rear admirals

932
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Speaker 4: testifying in front of Congress saying this is real, former

933
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 4: intelligence and military officials. You've got congressmen and congress women

934
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 4: reaching across the aisle. It's a bipartisan issue, one of

935
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 4: the only ones that's crazy saying there's something here. There

936
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 4: really is some kind of secrecy happening, and we need

937
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 4: to unveil a bit more to the public. We should

938
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 4: know more about where all our military budgets are going

939
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 4: towards this subject and stuff like that. So it's it's wild.

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01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 4: It's really kind of breaking open and becoming a mainstream

941
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 4: topic now, and I never thought it would go that way.

942
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Speaker 2: Talking to people NonStop, I would be so curious to

943
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 2: see a survey of before and after the past few

944
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 2: years on people's beliefs and if this stuff is real,

945
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 2: because I encounter constantly people being like, well, that's real now,

946
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 2: like we know that that's a thing. Yeah, Like it

947
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 2: has given it the credibility that it never had.

948
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Speaker 4: It's fascinating, yeah, And I mean there's exact evidence that

949
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 4: proves that this was relegated to superstition, myth and considered

950
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 4: a ridiculous joke before, Like the Air Force made that

951
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 4: happen with Project Blue Book. They had a head scientist

952
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 4: Jay Allen Heinek working on behalf of their organization, intercepting

953
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 4: any credible cases and explaining to the public that it

954
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 4: was swamp gas or prosaic explanations. When whole towns or

955
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 4: communities were seeing objects land, you know, fly around in

956
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 4: the sky over their farms and stuff like that, people

957
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 4: some people reported being abducted back then. The Betty and

958
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 4: Barney Hill case was, you know, part of the Project

959
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 4: Blue Book Days and the Air Force got involved.

960
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: That that's an iconic one. Yeah, the Betty and Barney

961
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: Hill one. But we should probably wrap it up. I

962
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: just realized how long we've been talking. This is so fun.

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Speaker 1: I love hearing all this.

964
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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me.

965
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Speaker 1: Ross. Tell everyone where they can find your work.

966
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they can check out my website, journeys is ocult

967
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 4: journeys dot com is my studio site. They can see

968
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 4: like all my past film catalog plus this one. And

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Speaker 4: they can search my name on Amazon Prime too, BTV, Roku.

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Speaker 4: I'm on Apple TV, like a bunch of different streaming sites.

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Speaker 1: And Pascagoula seventy three is on all of those as well.

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Speaker 4: Pasca Goula is just on Amazon right now, okay, but

973
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Speaker 4: it's opening up to other platforms as we speak. Eventually

974
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Speaker 4: it'll be on TV and stuff like that. Yeah, and

975
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Speaker 4: they can find my socials like Instagram, Darcyweir Films or

976
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Speaker 4: at Ocult Journeys on Twitter. I'm on Facebook too, just

977
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Speaker 4: darcywear amazing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, thank you so much to Darcy go check

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Speaker 2: out Pasca Googla seventy three. If you haven't yet, google

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Speaker 2: image this young man Kelvin. Just type in Kelvinpasca Goula.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome anyway. Yeah, let me know what you think

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Speaker 2: of these kinds of episodes. If you want more, if

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Speaker 2: you want less, you know, no harm either way. Just

985
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Speaker 2: trying to just trying to make everyone happy over here,

986
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Speaker 2: trying to have a good time while talking about the paranormal.

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Speaker 1: I love you all, both living and dead. But if

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Speaker 1: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me.

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Speaker 1: Came by.

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