WEBVTT - Short Stuff: All about BPAs

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck and Jerry sitting in for a day. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is short stuff about the beware of the pas.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>We're talking about BPAs specifically, well BPA, which is how

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<v Speaker 3>do you pronounce that.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh, I'm going with this phenol or bisphenol.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, bisphenol A.

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<v Speaker 3>There are other bisphenols apparently which I didn't know, and

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<v Speaker 3>apparently you know.

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<v Speaker 2>None of these are good.

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<v Speaker 3>For you, even though the FDA is like, it's fine

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<v Speaker 3>in the amounts that you're getting it.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop being so uptight, everybody. Yeah, they're used in all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of plastics, polycarbonate in particular. But that stuff shows

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<v Speaker 1>up everywhere. It can be in the stuff that lines

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<v Speaker 1>tin cans, it can be in your dental work, it

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<v Speaker 1>can be in contact lens, storage containers, baby bottles used

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<v Speaker 1>to be. I don't think it is anymore, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was everywhere. It's also now still today. The greatest exposure

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<v Speaker 1>that people get on average is from holding receipts thermal

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<v Speaker 1>paper receipts.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh interesting, those.

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<v Speaker 1>Are coded with BPA, so just be aware of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a study that said just holding one for

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<v Speaker 1>ten seconds exposed you to unsafe levels of BPA.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, many years ago when we lived in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 3>And it's the jokes Emily still laughs at to this

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<v Speaker 3>day because it's just very me very sardonically. Chuck was

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<v Speaker 3>we left a Blockbuster video and it was like Princh, Princh,

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<v Speaker 3>and they did that thing where there was a ticker

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<v Speaker 3>tape of like three feet of receipts each you know,

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<v Speaker 3>connected by a little tiny piece of paper, and he

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<v Speaker 3>handed them to me and I just went, thank you

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<v Speaker 3>for the receipts. And Emily thought that was the funniest

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<v Speaker 3>thing ever, and she still says.

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<v Speaker 2>It to this day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I could see being in the right place, in

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<v Speaker 1>the right frame of mind and just finding that awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, really stoned at Blockbuster.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure do you remember when you rented?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, no, who knows.

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<v Speaker 3>But now that I don't feel so bad now that

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<v Speaker 3>I know that those things are loaded with BPAs.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want those in my pocket.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you don't. And the reason why we're even like

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<v Speaker 1>talking about BPA is all thanks to a geneticist named

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Patricia Hunt, who was studying the ovaries of mice

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<v Speaker 1>back in the late nineties, nineteen ninety eight. That was

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<v Speaker 1>her jam. She was not looking for BPA, she was

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<v Speaker 1>not studying BPA at all, but BPA came and found her.

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<v Speaker 3>Essentially, Yeah, she saw these chromosotal errors start popping up.

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<v Speaker 3>They went from two percent to forty percent in these

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<v Speaker 3>mice that she was studying in the control group, and

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<v Speaker 3>that you know, there was miscarriage, there were birth effects

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<v Speaker 3>in these little baby mice. It's all very sad. And

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<v Speaker 3>she ran some more tests and she was like, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what, all of these cages and water bottles that

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<v Speaker 3>these mice are drinking out of have BPA in them,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that's where it's coming from. So she

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<v Speaker 3>swapped that stuff out with non BPA stuff. Everything returned

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<v Speaker 3>to normal, and she was like, I think I found

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<v Speaker 3>something really bad here.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody, Yeah, she did.

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<v Speaker 1>She also really started to examine what BPA did. Disrupted

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<v Speaker 1>fetal development. The eggs of the fetus that had its

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<v Speaker 1>development disrupted, that fetus's eventual babies those were also disrupted

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<v Speaker 1>as well. So yeah, she was like, I think something

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<v Speaker 1>is really bad here. And what she turned up is

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<v Speaker 1>that BPA acts as an endocrine disruptor, meaning it mimics

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<v Speaker 1>a hormone in our body, which does all sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff because our hormones are very very well precisely timed,

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<v Speaker 1>and you go over here and do this, you go

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<v Speaker 1>over here and do that. And if something shows up

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<v Speaker 1>on mass and is like we're gonna do all of

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<v Speaker 1>this at once, there's all sorts of catastrophic things that

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<v Speaker 1>can happen to the human body.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>And in this case, in the case of BPA, what

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<v Speaker 3>it really does is affect estrogen, and estrogen has a

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<v Speaker 3>huge effect on a lot of stuff. I think it

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<v Speaker 3>can affect the behavior of more than two hundred genes

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<v Speaker 3>and almost every organ and tissue in the body can

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<v Speaker 3>be affected by estrogen. So this was a big deal

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<v Speaker 3>at the time. There were a lot of initial reactions

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<v Speaker 3>of like, you know, we're not sure how bad this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Is for you.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not going to do anything right now, Like the

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<v Speaker 3>evidence is like not really conclusive because we're not mice

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<v Speaker 3>and so we're not necessarily going to experience the same

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<v Speaker 3>health effects. And again these limits are like the amount

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<v Speaker 3>that we're getting shouldn't harm it, Like, you know, children

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<v Speaker 3>and adults.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, that was wrong. It turns out that the limits

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<v Speaker 1>that we were being exposed to were considered harm or

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<v Speaker 1>are considered very harmful. Now, but what's something weird, Just

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<v Speaker 1>a little thing to kind of put aside. It actually

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<v Speaker 1>turns out that low doses of BPA have worse effects

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<v Speaker 1>than larger doses of BPA.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's weird.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see anywhere that that was explained, so I

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<v Speaker 1>came up with my own explanation. It's three stooges syndrome,

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<v Speaker 1>which is how remember mister Burns had every disease, but

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<v Speaker 1>none of them were affecting them because they were all

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get through the same door at once. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's what happens when you have a bunch of BPA.

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<v Speaker 1>They all get stuck trying to get through the same

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<v Speaker 1>door at the same time, and it doesn't affect you

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<v Speaker 1>like a little bit does, which can make it right

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<v Speaker 1>through the door.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, doctor Clark, We're going to take a break

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<v Speaker 3>and ponder that, and we'll be right back with more

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<v Speaker 3>on BPAs.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta say I'm very impressed.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, But I feel like I should say I

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<v Speaker 1>am not a doctor, and you really shouldn't listen to

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<v Speaker 1>me with any medical stuff. Whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>But I called you a doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, then I'm a doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 3>So, in the United States, the FDAs, who was in

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<v Speaker 3>charge of regulating the BPA use, and in twenty ten

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<v Speaker 3>they did a four year review of BPA studies which

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<v Speaker 3>resulted in twenty fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically saying, you know what.

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<v Speaker 3>We're upholding our previous no observed adverse effects level label.

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<v Speaker 3>As long as you don't get more than five milligrams

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<v Speaker 3>of body weight per kilogram of body weight per day,

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<v Speaker 3>you'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think that that is a level that

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<v Speaker 1>most people are never exposed to, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what they say.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we should talk about some of the things though,

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<v Speaker 3>I know you mentioned a few things.

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<v Speaker 2>But let me see here.

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<v Speaker 3>Type two diabetes potentially in adults, insulin resistance in children

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<v Speaker 3>and adults, polycystic ovary syndrome, obesity and high pretension in

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<v Speaker 3>children and adults.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a lot of terrible stuff. And again this is

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<v Speaker 1>not to mention like the pre term births, developmental abnormalities,

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<v Speaker 1>like all sorts of different stuff that has to do

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<v Speaker 1>with reproduction, breast cancer, tumors, like all of these things.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it used to be, like, like you said, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not mice. And you know that whole settled science bs that,

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<v Speaker 1>like the merchants of doubt used to put out like

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<v Speaker 1>just shamelessly, like if you look at meta analyzes of

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<v Speaker 1>studies about BPA and its effect on the human body,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, that's what comes up. It's obviously you

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<v Speaker 1>can never prove anything like without a shadow of a doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just how science works. But it's essentially to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where you, the individual person can feel pretty good

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<v Speaker 1>about not wanting BPA anywhere near you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. For sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Europe, of course is leading the way in front of us.

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<v Speaker 3>In April, just a few years ago, in twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 3>they're at DA which is the European Food Safety Authority,

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<v Speaker 3>said all right, we've seen the research and I think

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<v Speaker 3>they they lowered their safe level a lot. I think

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<v Speaker 3>to point two what is that to point two nanograms,

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<v Speaker 3>which is two billions of a gram or point two

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<v Speaker 3>billions of a gram per day for like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a human body. So that's that's way lower than ours, is.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, and it's even lower than what their previous

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<v Speaker 1>one was. Their previous one was still way lower than ours.

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<v Speaker 1>So ours was five milligrams per kilogram. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>the same still, their old one was four micrograms per

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<v Speaker 1>kilogram of body weight, so now it's their Their new

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<v Speaker 1>revised safe level is twenty thousand times lower than their

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<v Speaker 1>own previous safe level, ten billion trillion ish times lower

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<v Speaker 1>than are our safe level in the United States. And

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<v Speaker 1>when they when the European Food Safety Authority basically decided this,

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<v Speaker 1>there were all sorts of like, like, you know, is

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<v Speaker 1>this true? Is this right? You know? And of course

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<v Speaker 1>industry was pushing back on it. The only paper I

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<v Speaker 1>found that was critical of it an academic journal paper

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<v Speaker 1>that was critical of their their methods of data collection.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, funded this. It was funded by the

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<v Speaker 1>American Chemistry Council. So they're like, it seems pretty like

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<v Speaker 1>the EFSA has over the years or since April twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three, continued to issue defenses of its decision and

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<v Speaker 1>not like we decided, so shut up. They're like, we decided,

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<v Speaker 1>and here's why we decided. Here's all the data we

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<v Speaker 1>did this on. So it seems pretty legitimate that they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is way worse than we have been taking it,

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<v Speaker 1>and especially in the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well if you go to the FDA website today

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<v Speaker 3>date April thirtieth, twenty twenty six. It says FDA's current perspective,

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<v Speaker 3>based on its most recent safety assessment, is that BPA

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<v Speaker 3>is safe at the current levels occurring in foods. Based

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<v Speaker 3>on FDA's ongoing safety review of scientific evidence, the available

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<v Speaker 3>information continues to support the safety of BPA for the

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<v Speaker 3>currently approved uses in food containers and packaging. But if

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<v Speaker 3>you don't buy that, and I don't, I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>doctor Josh, does you need to look for a label

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<v Speaker 3>that says BPA free that will indicate that the plastic

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<v Speaker 3>does not have buy cheese.

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<v Speaker 2>Bis spinal Is that what you said? He did bis

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<v Speaker 2>spent all A.

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<v Speaker 3>But like I said, it could have bispon al F

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<v Speaker 3>or bispon all S or something else, and that may

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<v Speaker 3>be just as risky.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's how you remember that. It's like a bisk made

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<v Speaker 1>of polyphen hal Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I love bisc That's a shame.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So if you're like, Okay, BPA free, great, give

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<v Speaker 1>it to me. It turns out, like you said, there's

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<v Speaker 1>other bisphenols. Bisphenol F and S are now used as substitutes.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not nearly as studied as BPA has been. But

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<v Speaker 1>essentially the studies that are coming back are like, yeap

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<v Speaker 1>just as bad as BPA does all the same things.

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<v Speaker 1>So essentially the focus on BPA itself should have been

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<v Speaker 1>expanded from the outset to bisphenols, not just BPA. And

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, now there's BPF and bps all over the place.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you think that you what you have is

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<v Speaker 1>BPA free, is probably still has bisphenols in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't they just find something else?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they did, it's called glass. But the problem is

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<v Speaker 1>glass stainless steel containers. They often come with plastic tops

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<v Speaker 1>and lids, and you have to be careful with that too,

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<v Speaker 1>because even if the lids metal, it may still have

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<v Speaker 1>a plastic liner on the top of it, and that

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<v Speaker 1>probably has at least some sort of plastic associated with

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<v Speaker 1>it that could be getting in whatever you're drinking out of.

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<v Speaker 2>But do you have to have abys final to have

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<v Speaker 2>plastic at all?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I guarantee if you really looked into it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like half a cent less, right, something safe?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's your answer, you know, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>One day we're going to get there, Chuck, I hope

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<v Speaker 1>we're still alive to see it. But one day we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get there where people actually take care of

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<v Speaker 1>other people and we all care about one another, we

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<v Speaker 1>all act like it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to get there, that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>And in the meantime, you and I and every other

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<v Speaker 3>member of the Stuff you should normally is going to

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<v Speaker 3>try and be squeezing through that same door together.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in the meantime, Short Stuff is out. Stuff You

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