1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways is not brought to you by North Korea. Instead, 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: it is supported by the generous contributions of people like you, 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: our listeners on Patreon. Visit patreon dot com slash thinking 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: sideways to learn more Thinking Sideways. I don't just stories 5 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: of things we simply don't know the answer too. Hey everybody, 6 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: and welcome again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I 7 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: am Steve, of course, is always joined by Devin and 8 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: Joe and Devin to figure out who was who. Devin, 9 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: by the way, spelled with an eye. And I know 10 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: I think from now I know whenever you see your 11 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: name should be answer me Devin with an eye. What 12 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: about the silent you? Ye? That that always throws people 13 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: off to the silent pls. Yeah, there's that part. Yeah. 14 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: I just don't like people to know how how to 15 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: spell my name. Uh well, once again we have a 16 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 1: mystery for you. This was, of course a listener suggestion 17 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: that this was sent in by Ash Way way long ago. 18 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: Oh I hope Ash from England is still listening. She's 19 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: still listening. Yell hey Ash, if you're still listening, to 20 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: send us an email or something. We're all through your suggestions. 21 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna talk about today, is what caused 22 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: the crash of South African Airways flight. I thought the 23 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: answer to that gravity, I guess in a way that's true. Yeah, 24 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: he does have a really good all right, So if 25 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: you want to find our links, it's just like fifty 26 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: minutes of silence after this. Yeah, you're welcome. Really should 27 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: for April Fools, But no, I found this one on 28 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: the list. It's been a long time since we done 29 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: an airplane mystery, so I decided we should do one 30 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: that's not true airplane mystery last week? What do we 31 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: do last week? You're right, you know what I did 32 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: realize also, is I'm an idiot. As you two know. 33 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: I went on vacation and I did all of my 34 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: research for this prior to going on vacation, which required 35 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: me to be on an airplane for oh, I don't know, 36 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: fifteen hours round trip. So while you're on that airplane, 37 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: were you thinking about fires? And I was ignoring thing? Yeah, 38 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 1: I had to. I finally I really got it through 39 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: my head. I was like, wait, this is the same 40 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: thing you do when you swim in the ocean. There 41 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: are sharks in the ocean. There's just aren't any sharks 42 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: there at the moment, so you're fine. Who was on 43 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: an airplane after having done some research for this episode, 44 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: and um, I was sitting in the window seat and 45 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: I turned to my boyfriend and I said, does it 46 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: make you nervous that there's something in between those window panes? 47 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: Because there was like a piece of junk in there. 48 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: I was like, how did it get in there? Then 49 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: it makes me nervous. Yeah, you know. I was doing 50 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: a little research for this and various random googles to 51 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: try to find stuff out, and I found all these 52 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: advisories out there from like the f A and stuff 53 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: like that. It's like, oh, you know, you gotta go 54 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: like this particular one. I was like, I was looking 55 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: into oxygen generators and it's like, oh, you've gotta go 56 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: visually inspect every oxygen generator and every seven forty seven 57 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: and the entire fleet, you know, visually inspected. And we 58 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: know that doesn't actually happen, we have probably not, but apparently, yeah, 59 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: apparently defective ones out there. So it's like, and you know, 60 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: something like the seven forty seven is such a huge, 61 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: complex machine, so many things to go wrong. Yeah, that 62 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: I just don't think about it as we're going to 63 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: talk about. Yes, just one second, we are. So let's 64 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: let's get back to s A A flight, to this flight, 65 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: as we've already sort of given away, went down. It 66 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: went down, and it killed all passengers and nineteen crew members. 67 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: And then, of course, because it's a international event when 68 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: an airplane goes down, there was a giant investigation which spawned. 69 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: There was a whole bunch of theories that spawned out 70 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: before the investigation was even started, and even more that 71 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: came out after that. That sounds vaguely familiar, yes, really does. 72 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: But let's first let's talk about the plane itself. South 73 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: African Airways flight was a Boeing seven four seven DASH 74 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: two four four B comby. Uh. The name of the 75 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: plane was the Helderberg, which, yeah, I didn't know. I 76 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: don't know that every airline names its airplanes. I don't 77 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: think they do, but apparently Essay does. Yeah. I found 78 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: out it's actually kind of a common thing, which was 79 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: surprising to me. So that was the actual name of 80 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: the plane. Yes, that's what they named the plane. Why 81 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: did they name it Fifi because that's just not cool enough. 82 00:04:54,160 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: Maybe the other ones were was already taken. Okay. The 83 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: registration for the plane was z S dash S a 84 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: S serial number two to one one. So we are 85 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: going to start our story on the November. The aircraft 86 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: is in shang Kai check International Airport, which is in Taipei, Taiwan. 87 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: The flight was scheduled to go from Taipei to Johannesburg. 88 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: Johannesburg and Johannesburg. I've heard it both ways. I share Johannesburg. 89 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: So this is a long flight over a long stretch 90 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: of water. It was expected to make one stop and 91 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: that was gonna be on the island of Mauritius, which 92 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: is in the Indian Ocean. It's five hundred miles away 93 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: from Madagascar, which is eight hundred kilometers. So it's everything 94 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: seems normal. The planes delayed, they can't take off on schedule. 95 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: They're delayed an hour and a half because of thunderstorms. 96 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: While they're held on the tarmac, the local customs decides 97 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: to run a surprise inspection check out the cargo. Now 98 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: do you know, was that something they just decided to 99 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: do a lot on that day or was this an 100 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: isolated incident. I never found anything that said other than 101 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: it was just pay you're here, we might as well 102 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: check you out just because we can. Yeah. I think 103 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: that probably was it, since especially since they were just 104 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: sort of sitting around for an extra hour and a half, 105 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: so why not do a little surprise and specially so 106 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: I just but I was just wondering if they were 107 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: you know, presumably there were other planes that were also 108 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: delayed for a while. Yeah, I think this is just 109 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: luck of the draw. It could be luck of the drug. 110 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: It could actually be because they were South Africa, and 111 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 1: then because there was an embargo, they said, you know, 112 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: these guys have a motive to smuggle stuff. That's true, yea, 113 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: So maybe that was it too. It is it is 114 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 1: in uhn apartheid, it's still a thing, still not a 115 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: very popular country South Africa. So they get checked and 116 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: lo and behold, everything that's on the manifest is accounted for. 117 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: There's nothing out of place. So they're hunky dory and 118 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: they go ahead and tell them that when they're able 119 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: to leave, they're welcome to leave. We should stop here, though, 120 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: because there is an important bit of this, which is 121 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: when I described the plane, I had mentioned that it 122 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: was a seven four seven to four four b Colmby. 123 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: Ye that it's for combination. Oh, it doesn't, It really doesn't. 124 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: It's something that some airlines do that can work in 125 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: their favor, especially in this situation. What it is, so 126 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: you've got the main deck of a plane, and usually 127 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: it's full of seats, except that if you're running a 128 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: route that doesn't normally book an entire plane, this is 129 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: a great plane to have because it doesn't have seats 130 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: in the rear portion of the plane, and you can 131 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: remove or add back seats as you need them, and 132 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: the bulkhead and the galley move forward and back to 133 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: screen that off from your passengers. So the comby this 134 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: particular one could hold anywhere from six to twelve pallets, 135 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: and at this time the back in the back Okay, yeah, 136 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: so you know we're normally the bathrooms are in the 137 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: back of the plane. That area it had at this 138 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: time it had six pallets back there, so smaller configuration, 139 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: but it's a yeah, it's a pretty handy idea. Actually, 140 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: Bowing made a similar version of the seven Also, it 141 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: was convertible. You could pull out the seats and have 142 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: cargo instead. It's are fully adjustable. If you've been on 143 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: an airplane recently, and you look down where your seat attaches. 144 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: It attaches to a track. Seats are completely movable, because 145 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: that's how they've eliminated the knee room. They just have 146 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: to fight them up. They just push them all back 147 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: to back and then pull them about an inch exactly, 148 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: and they're like, that's fine, that's fine, you're comfortable. Have 149 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: you have you seen some of the new seating. There 150 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: was a proposed seating arrangement that came out not too 151 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: long ago, like six months ago. I think we posted this. 152 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: That's the one where you're sitting. You're sitting and then 153 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: there's a guy that's like half a level up from you, 154 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: facing you, and your sort of faces in his cross 155 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: You talk about, yeah, yeah, we get back even where 156 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: people on the planes, Yeah, you have to upgrade to 157 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: the area. They's got two more inches. So you can't 158 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: just go ahead and say I'll sit on the emergency 159 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: aisle because I'm a good guy. You know, you have 160 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: to pay for that, because the emergency gets more roo. Yeah. 161 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: Actually they on the flight I was just on um simultaneously. 162 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: It was like five times as much to reserve the 163 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: seats for the emergency row, which is kind of like, 164 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: why would you do that? Why would you want? You know? Okay, 165 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: really and then um, the trade tables. My phone is 166 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: actually bigger than the like actually like like I put 167 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,599 Speaker 1: my phone on it and it was too Yeah, it 168 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: was too deep for the That's the state of the 169 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: airline travel in America everywhere. But I guess it's benefit 170 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: you're since I kind of flap. The last was still 171 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, and I was I would seated on the 172 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: emergency island and they didn't charge me extra and they 173 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 1: do now. But anyway, we're off track. Let's get back 174 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: to the Combi. Okay. So here's the thing is that 175 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: we're talking about the fact that it's got that area 176 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: in the rear that they put they can put cargo, 177 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: and you know, that's advantageous for slow roots. This route 178 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: was and a lot of roots actually for South African 179 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: airways were kind of bad at the time because, as 180 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: we said, it was apartheid. Everybody hated them, well, a 181 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: lot of countries hated them. There was embargoes and one 182 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: of the things that countries would do is they would say, hey, 183 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: you can't fly through our airspace. Yeah, so let's give 184 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: an example. Let's say, you're gonna go from what is it, 185 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: it's Cape Cape Town, and you're gonna go to London. 186 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: Now the simple answer is to fly in a straight 187 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: line essentially London, but you can't do that. They had 188 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: to fly over the ocean around the entire continent and 189 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: then go to England. So it was a huge damper 190 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: on business. So good if you wanted to fly from 191 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: Cape Town to Jerusalem, you had to fly out a 192 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: circle and then then then like say go to maybe Paris, 193 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: maybe Athens and then on Israel, that kind of thing. 194 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, it was definitely long way around. Yeah, no, 195 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: so it was. It was not a good thing. And 196 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: they actually had two of these planes, so this was 197 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: one of the two that they had at Combies. So 198 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: they had it in that configuration where there was less 199 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: seating and there was you said, there were twelve palates 200 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: in the back. Six to twelve is what it was 201 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: capable of carrying. This flight had six flight takes off. 202 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: Everything appears normal, really, everything went fine for about the 203 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: first night and a half hours. Really it was I 204 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: think it was supposed to take eleven hours to get 205 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: to get to Mauritius and then they were going to 206 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: bounce on from there, So it's a long, long flight. Yeah. 207 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: The thing that I didn't realized, and I don't know 208 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: that a lot of people realize, is that planes are 209 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: constantly checking in at way points. And as they were 210 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: doing their flight, and they were checking in at every 211 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: way point, everything is fine, um, right up until about 212 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: the nine and a half hour mark. At eight pm UTC, 213 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: which is Universal Time Coordinated, which equates to from Uritius. 214 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: It was three am in the morning local time. The 215 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: flight contacted the control tower and they said that they 216 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: had smoke on board and that they were descending per 217 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: their guidelines to four thousand feet. We know this because 218 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: of the voice data recorder that was on the plane 219 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: and that was eventually found, Yes, and also we have 220 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: the tapes from the control tower that they were speaking 221 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: to UM. In the conversation, the flight requests and is 222 00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: granted full emergency landing status, which means where do you 223 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: want to land, pick your runway, we'll give it to you. 224 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: And so they did that. Then they asked where they were. 225 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: And this is a weird thing is that there's a 226 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: bit of a mix up in the communication because the 227 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: signal wasn't all that great the audio was pretty poor, 228 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: but the flight when ass said that they were sixty 229 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: five miles now the tower, well the tower took that 230 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: to me, and they were sixty five miles out from 231 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: the tower instead. It turns out what the what the 232 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: guys on the plane were saying is that they were 233 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: sixty five miles away from a way point. And that 234 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: way point is I'm just gonna spell it because I 235 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: can't even pronounce it X A G A L. Maybe 236 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: so they had so they had passed that way point 237 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: sixty five miles ago was what it was, or they 238 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: were sixty five miles away from even hitting that way point. 239 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: Do you know? I don't. I'm never quite sure, because 240 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: I can if it's worded this way there it made it, 241 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: you don't. I don't know. All I know is that 242 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: it turns out they were actually hud miles away from 243 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: the actual airport, so they were way farther out to 244 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 1: see than anybody expected them to be, which complicated the 245 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: search and rescue a little bit. So, like I said, 246 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: they were granted full emergency status. There's a brief communication 247 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: and then communication goes silent thirty six minutes after the 248 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: last word. The last word you know it. It wasn't 249 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: anything mysterious. It was they were having their conversation and 250 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: then it just kind of petered off. I thought it 251 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: was that, you know, the tower had said, okay, so 252 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: where do you want to land? No, they confirmed where 253 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: they wanted to land. I remember that they conferred which 254 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: runway they wanted and then after that it just kind 255 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: of dropped. And it didn't when I read the transcript, 256 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: it didn't seem as if it cut off in the 257 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: middle of anything. It just kind of stopped. You got 258 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: a fire on board that I'm gonna go deal with 259 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: this other I'm gonna go deal with this thing. I'll 260 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: be back. Well, you know, you read these things. They 261 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: got to have the sign stamps. I've read other transcripts 262 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: of these things, and you know, it's it's not like 263 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: they're constantly talking. There's that they're long pauses while they're 264 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: going about doing things like flying the plane, going to 265 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: the bathroom, getting a fresh beer, you know, and uh 266 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: and so yeah, that wasn't They weren't chopped off. But 267 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: there was an interesting thing that the pilot said though, 268 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: which was close the bloody door, and that was that 269 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: was because somebody came into the cockpit. I that's what 270 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: I was assuming. At first, I thought, well, as you're 271 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: talking about the door between the passenger compartments and the hold, 272 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: and I realized, now, that's way far back. It can't 273 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: possibly be that. So it's not an expression of alarm. 274 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: I wouldn't. No, I would think it would. I mean, 275 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. But it's my impression that 276 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: the passenger compartment and the pilot area cockpit, that's the 277 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: word I'm looking for, that they're totally sat once you 278 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: close and secure that door. It's like totally separate, isn't 279 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: it like the air systems everything. No. Not, At the time, 280 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't an airtight super confort pretty airtight, right, 281 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: I mean it had to steal around it. It may 282 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: not have been totally type, but like a door with 283 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: the gaps, oxygen and gases would come into the cockpits still, 284 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: so it wasn't completely sealed off. But mostly it was 285 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: to stop the smoke. I'm pretty sure from coming in. 286 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: Open the door, a bunch of black smoke rolls in. 287 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: Shut the freaking door, you're I can't, I can't see that. Yeah, 288 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: the I think they had the one difference between the 289 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: main passenger compartment and the cockpit is that you've got 290 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: your little oxygen masks, the one that drops down over head, 291 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: which is good for about twelve minutes. And then those 292 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: guys have the full on apparatus so they can go 293 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: for a long time, which is important. Oh yeah, obviously 294 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: they should have they should have the better one. Yes, 295 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: they don't need they don't need the one that where 296 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: you gotta straighten the tube that you see the Steward 297 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: of Steward is doing. You know, they need something much better. Yeah, um, 298 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: so back to our story here though. Thirty six minutes 299 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: after their last contact, the tower alerts, well the world, 300 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: They tell everybody, hey disappeared, lost them. Every country that 301 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: had ships or aircraft in the area go looking. But 302 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: of course they they're looking, right, So that's it takes 303 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: twelve hours before the first bits of debris are found, 304 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: and that debris is oil slicks. There's semi buoyant things 305 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: like I'm guessing seats or vests and seat cushions that 306 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: can be used for flotation devices. And there was a 307 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: life after two. And also you know those inflatable slides 308 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: come down the un One of those I think, yeah, 309 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: and eight bodies. And as soon as they found the 310 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: bodies and they examine them, based on the extent of 311 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,239 Speaker 1: damage that was done to the bodies, they knew that 312 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: the plane had gone down and it was catastrophic and 313 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: all hands were lost. Well, I mean, it wasn't an 314 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: apparent before that. I'm sure that it was, but you 315 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: know how these things, but this is our final we 316 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: we can't. We can't hold out hope anymore, we know. 317 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: But it's also weird, right because if you find the 318 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: like the security what, oh my god, cockpit no, no, no, 319 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 1: the flotation rap things, if you find those out right, 320 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: you you can maybe think, well, maybe some people survived 321 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: and deployed that, or maybe it was so catastrophic that 322 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: bounced out, or are just automatically the slides, for example, automatically. 323 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: So that would be the question, right, is Like, based 324 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: on examining the bodies, you could say, oh, yeah, everybody 325 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: died on impact. I'm guessing the extent of damage made 326 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: it quite odd. That would be my guess. Yeah, But 327 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: that'd bey there would be a question, right is that 328 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: it could be? Yeah. Now, of course, with any accident 329 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: of this magnitude, there is a huge formal investigation takes 330 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: a while because of course, first order of business is 331 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: to find the wreckage. They eventually do. In that record, 332 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: that wreckage is found to be five thousand meters down 333 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: or sixteen thousand feet kind of far down there. That's 334 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: really far deeper than the Titanic. Yeah, yeah, way down there. Um. 335 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: And it's the only way they got there was with 336 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: a r o V the little remote operated vehicles, a 337 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: little submersibles. It's the only way. The Jackson Peter Jackson, 338 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: George Lucas, which is the one talking about, um, who 339 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: did Titanic. No, it doesn't matter, okay, James Cameron, Yeah, 340 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: the one of the other three. Yeah. Yeah, So this 341 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: isn't And this is an object of contention because I 342 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: have read incredible sources that were there were two debris 343 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: fields instead of three. Yeah, because I've read three. Most 344 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: play say, is that I've read about it. Yeah, I've 345 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: read I've read another places that there were only two 346 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: debris fields. Well, what we're talking about here, for everybody 347 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: who hasn't done the reading on it is the debris 348 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: fields are where most of the stuff from plane settles 349 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: on the bottom, and there were debris fields whether it's 350 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: two or three and they were anywhere from one and 351 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: a half to two and a half kilometers apart. Is 352 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: that a typical as far as we know? I mean, 353 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: things that hit the water at great speed tend to 354 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: break up, and then those individual chunks tend to separate 355 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 1: and drift away from each other. But not so much 356 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: because tides and stuff, right, I mean, well there's currents 357 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: and whatnot. I mean two thousand thousand meters, it's not 358 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: actually all that far when you think about how far 359 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: it had to say, Yeah, I just wasn't sure if 360 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: it was like a typical that it would be, you know, 361 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: three or two, or if that mattered, if that never 362 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: mattered or were I don't think it really, I don't 363 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 1: think it was. It was bringing it up for fun. No, yeah, 364 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: I don't think there was any significance to Some people 365 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: believe that it might have meant that the plane broke 366 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,239 Speaker 1: up in mid air before it hit, but you know, 367 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: it's maybe I can see, I can see how you 368 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: would take it that way. Doesn't necessarily mean that that's 369 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,959 Speaker 1: what happened, because I'm sorry, if you think about an 370 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: airplane coming down at an angle and tumbling when it 371 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: hits the water, that thing's gonna fly into a bunch 372 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: of big chunks. Yeah, and also you know it's going 373 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: to get spread up because something's weigh a lot more 374 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: than other things. Something's he's going to sink. He's gonna 375 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: stop faster than say, broken off wings. Yea, it took 376 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: a while, but as we had talked about, eventually they 377 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: did get the cockpit voice recorder that was found. Um 378 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: though the flight data recorders were never found. And if 379 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: anybody's interested on how flight data recorders work stuff, you 380 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: should know did a great episode on it and it 381 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: took them an hour to explain it. Also, we're not 382 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: going to go into this. You know. The thing about 383 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: the about the data recorders is is why haven't they 384 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: invented a self ejecting one, one that senses a crash 385 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: is about to occur and just pops itself out of 386 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: the plane, Because that's always it's always such an ordeal 387 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: to find that thing. I just don't know why they 388 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: don't make them more floaty. Yeah, they should, like you know, 389 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: they should. It is the technical term. Yeah, I learned 390 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: that on the cruise ship. Everybody can take a drink 391 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: just trying to get drinks in for our drinking friends. 392 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's one on the drinking game. I think. 393 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: I think just just like like tape them to the 394 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: outside of the plane so they come off in the 395 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: crash and they float up to the surface. Yeah, duct 396 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,959 Speaker 1: tape every you know, three flights or whatever. Yeah, with 397 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: the when you're examining all of the oxygen things. Yeah, okay, 398 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: So they send the r o vs down. The r 399 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: o v s recover parts of the plane. The things 400 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: that they think are going to be important to examine. 401 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: They can't get at all because the seas, I mean, hey, 402 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: it's so far down in be the siege just are 403 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: not cooperating. So they took what they could. They took 404 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: all the debris about back to South Africa, where the 405 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: official investigation started. Sorry, I'm might have missed it because 406 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: I was like busy reading ahead or something. Did we 407 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: say what where what ocean? And where they were found? 408 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: Eventually where or so away? That's where they actually and 409 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: that's where they were found. Yes, which is which it's 410 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: which ocean is that that's the it's actually the debris 411 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: was found right about where. Everybody thinks that that right 412 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: in that neighborhood and little Yeah, course that's helpful. Actually, yeah, 413 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: I was just sorry, No, no, no, it totally makes sense. 414 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: Where was they? Oh so the investment, official investigation, it starts. 415 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: What they find is they find that something had caught 416 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: fire in the cargo area on that main deck, special 417 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: cargo area, the on the main deck where seat passenger 418 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: seating would be. Yes, not the baggage in the combined area, Yes, 419 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: the calmby area of the bomb, if you will. They 420 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: find that it's specifically, it's on the right front palette, 421 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: which is referred to as PR, which I'm gonna guess 422 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: means palette right. So the pallet, the right palette closest 423 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: to Okay, So, if you're sitting on the plane, or 424 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 1: let's say you're at the back of the plane and 425 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: you're looking forward to the cockpit, on your right hand side, 426 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: there's gonna be three palelettes, and on your left hand 427 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: side there's gonna be three palets because you were in 428 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: two rows, the very farthest one forward, so one the 429 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: most to the right, not the most aft, the most front. Yeah, 430 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: the most front front, right right pallet. I think, yeah, 431 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: I think I know what I'm talking about and I 432 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: think you're talking about the same thing, but are making 433 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: me nervous with how much you're explaining it. So, if 434 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: I'm the last row on the right side, it's directly 435 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: behind me in passenger seating, it would be behind the 436 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: galley wall on the right hand side. Yes, you probably 437 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: a fire, but no, So that's that's where it was. 438 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: And that's where they said they figured out a fire 439 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: was at Yeah, because they looked at the piece of 440 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: the fuselage that came from there and there was like 441 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: evidence of intense intense heat, intense heat there right, So 442 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: that would have been the fuselage above PR. And so 443 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: what they what nobody sure of though, is where the 444 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: fire was. I mean, it could have been PR the 445 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: palette that was sitting in that location was on fire 446 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,719 Speaker 1: and burning, or was it something up high that was burning. 447 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: Like they never really knew what was causing it. Well, 448 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: they could tell is that it did a ton of 449 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: damage and they sorry. And they also could tell this 450 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: is a question um, that it wasn't something that was 451 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 1: of lower flammability somewhere else that caught onto something on 452 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: that palette that was higher volatility. We don't know if 453 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: the fire jumped from one place to another and then 454 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: scorched the seat. But that was where the most intense. 455 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: That's where the fire that they could tell based on 456 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: the metal. It burned hot enough that it pitted the 457 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: metal and there was slag thrown around. That's really hot. 458 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,719 Speaker 1: It's really really hot. And of course they concluded that 459 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: the palette itself was something and it started the fire 460 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: most likely, well that's what they believed. But so that 461 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,719 Speaker 1: was my question is like, if something of lower volatility 462 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,479 Speaker 1: happened to catch fire, the whole fire jump, yeah, and 463 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: that it was just that there was a lot of 464 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: vaulatal stuff on that palette. We don't know. Well, the palette, 465 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: the palette itself was it was plastic wrapped in plastic. 466 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: It was computer stuff and it was wrapped in what 467 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: the heck was polystyrene packing. So it's plastic wrapped around 468 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: hunks of plastic. Plastic burns hot, but but not that. 469 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: But that was palette. Are that cargo? Yep? That was 470 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: pr Yeah, it was computer computers was what it was, 471 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: which you're all, plastic was very little metalist. It seems 472 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: unlikely that well, I mean, you know, it depends, it 473 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 1: could have, but it's hard to say. So there's a 474 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: whole massive, really cool vintage computers scattered about the ocean floor. Yeah, 475 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: that are like partially burned and melted. Probably yeah, probably. 476 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I would go for the blooms. 477 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: Joe's going for melted computer parts. I'm just gonna go 478 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: for a galleon like of whatever gold. Uh. But most 479 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: everything that was in the cargo hold area was polystyrene wrapped, 480 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 1: except for there was a there was a few things 481 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: that were cardboard boxes, and there was a few heavy 482 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: items that were like auto parks, things that were in 483 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: wooden boxes. Crates, Yeah, there were crates with hay packing 484 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: stuff like that. So this is seems to be what 485 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: would have been the most flammable to burn hot and hard. 486 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: So it's weird that it was a palateful of computers 487 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: and it's little. Yeah, it's a little bit, uh, you know, 488 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: makes you kind of wonder what's going on. Yeah, maybe 489 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: it was not really that at all. Maybe not. There 490 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: there are some theories that say that. But actually, before 491 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: we get into theories, I do want to point out 492 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: something that I have seen that I don't really like. Yeah, 493 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: and this agree with you peeves me off. I agree, Yeah, 494 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. Okay, so here's what I'm talking about. There, 495 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: there are several sites that say sites there shows there's 496 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: things that say that the crew did not follow their 497 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: fire procedure there, which would be the smoke evacuation checklist. 498 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: The that that checklist would say that in the event 499 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: of a fire you descend, you open the doors to 500 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,479 Speaker 1: depressurize the plane to suck all the smoke out. By 501 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: the way, you have to do that after the fires out. 502 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: You can't do it well, the fire still going. This 503 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: bad idea. But these places say that they didn't do it, 504 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: but they have no way of knowing that because the 505 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: flight had already said it was descending and then minutes 506 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: after that we lost content. I'm sure that they were 507 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: probably highly motivated to go back there and put that 508 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: fire out. I'm pretty sure that this they didn't follow. 509 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: The checklist thing comes from a TV show. There's a 510 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: TV show called may Day or depending on which country 511 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: you're in. It's under a number of different names. There's 512 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: air crash Investigations, air emergency, air disaster on the great names, 513 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: which shows evidently been on for a while. They go, 514 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: this sounds like the show that they're showing on the 515 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: airplane in airplane probably that you probably shouldn't be laughing, 516 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: but it's okay. These goofballs though they say this and 517 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: they put a negative spin on it, and it's not 518 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: appropriate in my mind, because they have no way to 519 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: know that from what we know, they were following what 520 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: they should have been doing. Um, I would imagine they would, 521 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: like I said, they were motivated. Well, and here's here's 522 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: some Actually, there's some specifics that proved that they were 523 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: probably doing it. Because at twenty nine minutes and five 524 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: seconds on the uh the voice recorder, the captain's heard 525 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: asking the main deck cargo are asking for the main 526 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: deck cargo fire checklist, so he's he's asking for this 527 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: is again minutes before the transmissions lost. So it seems 528 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: like they were doing what they were supposed to. The 529 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: other thing that I want folks to understand is what 530 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: a terrible idea it turns out the Calmby was and 531 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: how terribly it it performed in the event of a fire. Well, 532 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: I mean, the comedy was a great idea. It just 533 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: I just didn't have a good fire suppression system and 534 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: the car and there was some there was some bad math. 535 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: I would say, some bad math was done on the 536 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: way things worked. And let me let me run this through. 537 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: Some people know where I'm going with my kind of 538 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: little uh so box. I know the size of the 539 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: cargo hold in that area is nineties six hundred cubic feet. 540 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what that converts to in meters. I 541 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: didn't do the math on that one, sorry, folks, but 542 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,719 Speaker 1: it's uh. That area was thought that big of an 543 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: area was thought that it would help keep by products 544 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: of a fire a k a. Smoke from getting into 545 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: the passenger cabin, based on the fact that there was 546 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: a pressure difference between the two. Was the passenger cabin 547 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: was at a higher pressure than the cargo hold. The 548 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: seal of the little movable wall that they had wasn't 549 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: air tight fit. It had a thick seal, but it 550 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: wasn't completely air tight. But air would flow from high 551 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: pressure cabin to lower pressure cargo area. So it makes 552 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: sense to think, well, great, that'll keep all the smoke 553 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: back there. But it turns out when there's a raging 554 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: hot fire, the pressure change yea yeah, and suddenly the 555 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: flow reverses and it all rolls into the passenger compartment, 556 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: So that was a problem. This actually is the thing 557 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: about it is is you know they might have actually 558 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: been overcome by smoke in relation and if they had 559 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: just deployed their oxygen masks and and I don't know 560 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: if if these guys actually have like portable oxygen units 561 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: to where they can go fight the fire while they're 562 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: wearing a gas man the crew. Yeah, I believe they were. 563 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: I believe there is that. Yeah, So that's that's you know, 564 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: I mean I think that if they had just deployed 565 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: their oxygen for the passengers and themselves, that it might 566 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: have turned out a little differently. That's a hard one. 567 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: Having gone through firefighter training on my time on a 568 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: cruise ship, um, it's it's startlingly hard to navigate an 569 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,719 Speaker 1: area when it's filled with smoke, even when you have 570 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: your little mask on and your breathing real oxygen. I mean, 571 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: you know, they train you to like follow the wall, 572 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: but in this huge cargo hold that you're not, you know, 573 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: it's just filled with smoke. You don't know where it's 574 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: coming from, and you probably have your tiny little fire extinguisher, 575 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: like there's no way you all bets are off. There's 576 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: no way you're going to find that fire probably or 577 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: find the right thing, or maybe you don't have the 578 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: right extinguisher or the fire suppression was also one of 579 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: the big problems with the combies, because okay, let's talk 580 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: about this. Is that in an airplane, if the cargo 581 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: hold where your bage go on a passenger airline catches 582 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: on fire, the guys in the cockpit get a warning 583 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,479 Speaker 1: light and they push your button and free on gas 584 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: is blasted in there and it extinguishes the whole thing. 585 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: But like we talked about, you can't do that in 586 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: an area that potentially would have human being. Can't do that. 587 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: Just in case anybody was wondering, you will kill you 588 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: pretty immediately. No, it's crazy, it's it's yeah. So instead, 589 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: what what the what the process was is, oh, well 590 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: then what we'll do is will as Devon was talking, 591 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: is that will send one of our crew members with 592 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: their masks and a fire extinguisher into that area. That's 593 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: as they have a mask. I don't even know if 594 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: they do. On I think they did. I got the 595 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: impression that they would. You would think that they would, 596 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,919 Speaker 1: because I mean, it makes no sense to send somebody 597 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: into a smoke filled cargo hold without a breathing apparatus 598 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: because he's got to he's gonna last about what thirty seconds? 599 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: So the point is that they could get in there, 600 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: and then they had to put out the fire before 601 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,919 Speaker 1: we could open the doors and vent the plane. Yeah, 602 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: there was another another suppression system that I was reading 603 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,959 Speaker 1: about that uses CEO to the snuff out the fire, 604 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: and that didn't work out so well either. I can't 605 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: remember the flight, but they had that. They Yeah, they 606 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: were no is down. They were the pilot had nose 607 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: down for obvious reasons. He was taking it closer to 608 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,879 Speaker 1: backup Joe. So everybody knows what Joe's talking about, isn't 609 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: is a flight that catches on fire and they put 610 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: out CEO two, which it doesn't burn, and so it 611 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: kills the fire, but then the plane noses down. C 612 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: O two is heavier, so it runs downhill with the 613 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: plane and fills the cockpit with CEO two and kills 614 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: the flight crew and the plane goes down. It didn't 615 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: work out. That's another instance where they it really would 616 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: have been a smart idea for them to put on 617 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: their oxygen masks. But the problem with CEO two is 618 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: you don't know it's there. They had no way of 619 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,359 Speaker 1: knowing that it was going to the deloy. Like they 620 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: knew they were doing it, but they didn't know that 621 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 1: it would flow in there. They it was supposed to 622 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 1: be separated. I get that. But here's my message to 623 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: the airlines that they haven't gotten already is whenever a 624 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: fire breaks out, everybody in the cockpit puts on their masks. 625 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: Unless it's the oxygen system is on fire, then oh yeah, yeah, 626 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: that's a bad problem. The last thing that I want 627 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,760 Speaker 1: to point out, um in defense of the crew doing 628 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: what they were supposed to be doing, is we talked 629 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: about that somebody had to go back into that area 630 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: to fight the fire. Yeah, well they one of the 631 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: fire extinguishers was recovered. It was a fire extinguisher from 632 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: from door to our which I will be honest, I 633 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: don't know exactly where that is on the plane. But 634 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: what is important to note is that it had stuck 635 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: to it the webbing or netting that was used in 636 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,240 Speaker 1: the cargo area at the door, which means the stuff 637 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 1: was hot and it hit it and stuck to it 638 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,760 Speaker 1: and you know, cooled on. So they know that somebody 639 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: was taking a fire extinguisher into that area to try 640 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: and combat the fire and maybe getting overcome with smoke 641 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: in relation. Maybe I don't know, but um that uh, 642 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: that that was, and that was one of the eleven 643 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: fire extinguishers total that we're on the plane, and for 644 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: all we know, more of them we're being used to 645 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 1: because they didn't. This is the only one they recovered, 646 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: So there was a bunch of them that we just 647 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: don't know where they went. Yeah, they probably could have 648 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: recovered a lot more stuff, but that would be expensive. 649 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: It would be very expensive, and at some point instigations 650 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: are Yeah, I think I think once they recovered that 651 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: piece of the fuselage that had the extensive heat damage, 652 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: and then that's sort of like because the kind of 653 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,280 Speaker 1: kind of sealed the deal. I mean, if they recovered 654 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: more pieces, they might get more information that would lead 655 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: them in a different direction maybe, But that's that's the 656 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: end of the soapbox that I was standing on. In 657 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,240 Speaker 1: defense of the crew, I know, I think it's important. 658 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: You do see a lot of stuff out there with 659 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 1: people saying, oh, the crew, just if they had just 660 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: done better, But it's just like until you're in that situation, 661 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,760 Speaker 1: until you really listen to the transcripts and tell you 662 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: take that step, think about the think about the passengers 663 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: freaking the f out. I mean that to then try 664 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: to to work your way back through the plane. Um, 665 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,280 Speaker 1: it's actually believed that most of the passengers had gotten 666 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 1: out of their seats and had moved to the front 667 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: of the plane to try and escape the smoke it 668 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: was coming out from the back wall. So I mean 669 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: that it's not good. It's not good. And then you know, 670 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 1: on top of that, at the door, I mean, I 671 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: think you never know as a person how you're going 672 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: to react in a situation like that, and that includes 673 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,240 Speaker 1: people who are the crew, you know, And it's possible 674 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 1: that it was just one or two members of the 675 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: crew kind of holding it together, trying to fight back 676 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:41,359 Speaker 1: against the one hundred and forty people trying to get there. Yeah, 677 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: I can't imagine what it's like if you're piloting the plane. Also, 678 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 1: that's why you closed the door. And but but if 679 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: you're dealing with this whole situation with fire and communicating 680 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: with the tower and everything where you're going at the 681 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,720 Speaker 1: same time, suddenly a huge amount of way that's suddenly 682 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: just shifted to the front of the plane. Yeah, you've 683 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,240 Speaker 1: got to take care of that. I mean, that's really 684 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,839 Speaker 1: screw things up. I mean there's yeah, I mean there's 685 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: a lot of things that could have been done. You know, 686 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: maybe perhaps of the passengers just did put perhaps that 687 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: the crew had put their masks on and they might 688 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: have been overcome by smoke. Again, this is there we 689 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: just don't point out. This is total conjecture where we 690 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,320 Speaker 1: don't know if they did or did not down their mass, 691 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 1: whether the passengers did or did not stay in their seats. 692 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: These are things we just don't know. Note this is 693 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: the upside of air disasters too, is that we always 694 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: learned something from them. I mean, air travel now is 695 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 1: so much more safer. And the reason is it's because 696 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: we spend a ton of money and figuring out what 697 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: we're wrong. Yeah, well I guess that one. When Dallas 698 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 1: build another. Yeah, it's like, thank god, we don't do 699 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: it with the Titanic though. Yeah. Yeah, alright, Well let's 700 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: let's get into theories, because there are a huge number 701 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: of theories. Yeah, some very far fetched and some obscenely logical. 702 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,359 Speaker 1: And we're going to start. Actually, I've only seen one 703 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,359 Speaker 1: that's really totally. Well I've seen too, but that's you know, 704 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 1: it's me um. So let's start with the one of 705 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,479 Speaker 1: the far out ones, because I always like to start 706 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: with some of the far out I like this, I 707 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: like this guy's webpage. Yeah, all right, so the first 708 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: theory is at the plane with sabotage. We are going 709 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,720 Speaker 1: to start by talking about a guy named David Mechanic 710 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,359 Speaker 1: and he spells that with a K. The mechanic is 711 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 1: actually a mechanic as opposed to a mechanic or something 712 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 1: like that. I'm going to say he's a mechanic. Let's 713 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 1: call it mechanic that like a mechanic mechanic. The mechanic, 714 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: by his own description, was a weapons engineer, and he 715 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: said he worked for the South African government in the 716 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 1: late eighties and according to him, he was contracted to 717 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,359 Speaker 1: I love this build a weapon capable of taking out 718 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 1: Miggs out of the sky while at the same time 719 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: making it look like pilot error. Well that's so easy 720 00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:00,839 Speaker 1: to do. How do you do that? Lazers? By the way, 721 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,919 Speaker 1: that if anybody doesn't know a MiG is a fighter jet, 722 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, yeah, no, let me let me keep 723 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 1: going with this. So what's interesting is the materials that 724 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: he needed for a secret weapon. That's my Yeah, this 725 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 1: is why I love this one. Normal. He said that 726 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 1: he did make the weapon, but he was missing one 727 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: vital piece and that was plutonium to thirty nine, you know, 728 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: the same stuff that Doc Brown needed to make the 729 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,800 Speaker 1: Dolorean travel through time. Of course, what does the South 730 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 1: African government do, But they want their plutonium so they 731 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 1: can have their plane killing laser pleaser. They contact their 732 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: good friends the North Koreans, who of course oblige them 733 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: with this material have stockpile do and what the North 734 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,359 Speaker 1: Koreans do is they smuggle it to Taiwan and then 735 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,479 Speaker 1: it is smuggled on board s a A T nine 736 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 1: five in the air quotes here guys of cargo, Yeah, 737 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 1: like computers and stuff. Yeah, I wouldn't be hard. At 738 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: the same time, well, you know the South African government 739 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: they also need some other stuff, so they go ahead 740 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 1: and decide to throw a little extra fuel for their 741 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:22,720 Speaker 1: missiles on at the same time ammonium percolate. They go ahead, 742 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: and you save when you bundle things like him. Here's 743 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: here's where where mechanics story goes even is where ice 744 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,400 Speaker 1: I say goes pretty far out there is he says, 745 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 1: and this is completely according to him, is that somehow 746 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 1: the United Nations and the International Monetary Fund, who of 747 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: course wanted to take down this Africa South African government, 748 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 1: figured out what was going on and deciding that well, 749 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,240 Speaker 1: this would be a great blow against their government and 750 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: with off him from getting this stuff. Shoot the plane 751 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: out of the sky. Yes, I'm leaving the shout out 752 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,240 Speaker 1: of the sky. They didn't just like leave an inscendi 753 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: area on board with the timing device on. Somehow they 754 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,719 Speaker 1: took it out, I I added, shot it out of 755 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,279 Speaker 1: the sky. There, this is h Well, you know, I 756 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 1: mean number one, the U N I mean they're they're 757 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: massively incompetence, so they're and they're they're diabolical. Well there's 758 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,320 Speaker 1: that hugely diabolic Well, and the I AM if you 759 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: don't necessarily and you know, you wonder why he included 760 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 1: the IMF, because you don't necessarily include the IMP with 761 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,240 Speaker 1: this kind of conspiracy. But if you look at his website, 762 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 1: he hates the I m F. Well, after the I 763 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,239 Speaker 1: m F in parentheses he has the Rothschilds in other words, 764 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:45,839 Speaker 1: in other words, it's the Jews once again. Yeah, so word, Yeah, 765 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: don't take my word for it. Check his check his website. Yeah, 766 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 1: the rothchilds. I looked at his website after reading some 767 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 1: of this, and I really did it from afar, like 768 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: reading the computer from the other side of the room, 769 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: so I couldn't read it all kind of afar. It 770 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,759 Speaker 1: was just kind of that. I just kept it that 771 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: much of a distance. Yeah, yeah, Okay, So I think 772 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: this is not credible. I think about it is too. 773 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: Is the if you're going to make rockets, and the 774 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: military grade rockets are are uh, they are solid fueled 775 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: and some some of them, not all of them, do 776 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 1: use ammonium percolate. Yes, some of them do use ammonium 777 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 1: percolate as as one part of the fuel. But the 778 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,360 Speaker 1: South African has actually had plenty of that stuff available 779 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: bagistically they and we're going to talk about that briefly 780 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: here here shortly so which you know what, let's go 781 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: ahead and move into the smuggled board section because this 782 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: is where it's what got smuggled aboard and we'll just 783 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 1: keep talking about that because that's what's the rocket propellant. Yeah, 784 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 1: so this is smuggled the board in the cargo or 785 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,600 Speaker 1: smuggled the board by a passenger smuggle board in the 786 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,200 Speaker 1: cargo section is where is? Where is? The way I 787 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: understood the to be Joey talked about. It's you know, 788 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: ammonium percolate is a rocket propellant. It's you might have 789 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 1: heard of it before. It's the stuff that NASA really 790 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: likes to use because it gives you your bang for 791 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: your buck. They used it a lot on rockets, and 792 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,320 Speaker 1: it is great for surface to air missiles and surface 793 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,399 Speaker 1: to air, air to surface and air to air. Yeah, 794 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,759 Speaker 1: they use them in all those things. Yeah, it's it's 795 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,759 Speaker 1: a it's a trifecta. Really, it's great stuff. But the 796 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,520 Speaker 1: thing is, like joe said, they can make it locally. 797 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,919 Speaker 1: Even today I was. I searched the web and there 798 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,280 Speaker 1: are companies in South Africa who talk about the fact 799 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: that they have this stuff readily available on the list somewhere. 800 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,160 Speaker 1: I'm totally on the list. So my question is, why 801 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 1: in the hell would they bring it in from an 802 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,320 Speaker 1: outside source that they added domestically. That makes no sense whatsoever, 803 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,040 Speaker 1: especially on an airplane. I mean something like that you're 804 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 1: gonna get in quantity and you're gonna want to bring 805 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,319 Speaker 1: it in by ship if you're bringing it in at all, Yeah, 806 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 1: you're not gonna have palletts worth pallette work doesn't make 807 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 1: any sense. It's not even if it was an entire 808 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: palette of the stuff, it's still not even even that 809 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 1: entire cargo hold full of that stuff is like, it's 810 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,800 Speaker 1: like it's dumb. That's a dumb way to ship. Yeah, 811 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 1: maybe that's not not worth it. Let's okay, So we're 812 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,439 Speaker 1: gonna move on to what I think is probably my 813 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 1: favorite thing that got smuggled on board into the cargo 814 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,560 Speaker 1: section of Sad Mercury. Yeah. I was actually thinking we 815 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 1: should do an episode on Red Mercury. Yeah, it's that's 816 00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,399 Speaker 1: it's interesting that this Red Mercury is really a thing. 817 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,400 Speaker 1: It's it's supposed it's not really what I mean, it's 818 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: really a thing, and that a lot of people believe 819 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,239 Speaker 1: in it. Let me let me, let me explain. I 820 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,000 Speaker 1: believe it's the planet. Yeah, anybody who not the planet? 821 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,880 Speaker 1: Oh what are we talking about? Then? Okay, here's what 822 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,120 Speaker 1: we're talking about. Smuggle planet onto a cargon. I thought 823 00:46:55,120 --> 00:47:02,200 Speaker 1: it was a little on that'sies, okay. Supposedly red mercury 824 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 1: is a super potent nuclear material that, by the way, 825 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,839 Speaker 1: is never quite materialized. Um, it's I'm just gonna quote 826 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,680 Speaker 1: the Internet on this. I'm just gonna do it. It's 827 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:19,040 Speaker 1: a hoax substance of uncertain composition purportedly used in the 828 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,160 Speaker 1: creation of nuclear bombs as well as a variety of 829 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:28,000 Speaker 1: unrelent unrelated weapons systems. Yeah, so like that's what we 830 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,480 Speaker 1: get from the aliens, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean actually 831 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,840 Speaker 1: had the definition of what it can do really varies 832 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 1: a lot. It's huge from it is nuclear grade too. 833 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,319 Speaker 1: It is just a great explosive, like it is all 834 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,560 Speaker 1: over the map. And what I really love is that 835 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: the times that people have said they had it, it 836 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,320 Speaker 1: has been determined that, yeah, it was just reddish colored 837 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:58,239 Speaker 1: stuff dirt, food die or something like that, and it 838 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,480 Speaker 1: was red powder. You know. It's from all accounts that 839 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,960 Speaker 1: I can get. It's not real, so, but it is 840 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,480 Speaker 1: something that you will hear. It was supposedly in the 841 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 1: cargo hold of the plane. Yeah, I don't know, because 842 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,440 Speaker 1: you know, it's just a little too pad. I think 843 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:21,360 Speaker 1: it does exist, just kidding. Coming soon Joe's episode on 844 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 1: Red Mercury. Well, now, did you see the Star Trek reboots, 845 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,400 Speaker 1: which one the first one where where they did the 846 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 1: whole reboot and everything and Spot goes back and the 847 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,879 Speaker 1: spot ship is powered by some red thing. Yeah, that 848 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,680 Speaker 1: that that red stuff that he's going to drop into 849 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,920 Speaker 1: the sun to save, to save the planet and everything, 850 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,600 Speaker 1: and it doesn't Maybe it was that stuff. Maybe, I 851 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 1: don't know, probably much too much TV Joe, that's a movie. Okay, 852 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 1: let's let's keep going. The next thing that we have 853 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,040 Speaker 1: on the list of what was in the cargo hold 854 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:59,480 Speaker 1: um and was smuggled on board is active carbon or 855 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:06,320 Speaker 1: chark hole like activated charcoal. Yeah, like activated or active active. 856 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,560 Speaker 1: I thought it was activated well, activated charcoal like you 857 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,279 Speaker 1: take as a supplement to like calm your stomach. So 858 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,160 Speaker 1: I am guessing not that, Probably not that, but it's anyway, 859 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:21,160 Speaker 1: it's a version of it's carbon. It's a very porous 860 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:27,320 Speaker 1: substance that when it catches fire, it catches fire very well. 861 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:32,640 Speaker 1: It's a really good accelerate and it burns hot and fast. Uh. 862 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,600 Speaker 1: This stuff is important. It has a little bit of 863 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,440 Speaker 1: credence because if it was in pr and it is 864 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: this three hundred what the heck did I Oh, it's 865 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,319 Speaker 1: it's three grams of this stuff by the way is 866 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,360 Speaker 1: what they say was on there it different places on 867 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,120 Speaker 1: the internet, mostly probably all stemming from one location that 868 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,000 Speaker 1: it did not track down the initial source of this. 869 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,160 Speaker 1: But theory, and and this is the thing, is that 870 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,920 Speaker 1: something like this I think, you know, you apply a 871 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,920 Speaker 1: flame to it, then yeah, it'll catch fire. Flames have 872 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,719 Speaker 1: to come from somewhere, absolutely right. And that's that's the 873 00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,719 Speaker 1: thing about about the whole thing about the low volume 874 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,399 Speaker 1: or the high surface to volume ratio is that does 875 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,279 Speaker 1: make from more flammability, which is why you're not allowed 876 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,879 Speaker 1: to smoke cigarettes and like say grain silos, because there's 877 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,120 Speaker 1: so much dust in the air, you can actually causing 878 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 1: catch the dust on fire. But there's a flame. But 879 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,919 Speaker 1: there has to be a flame, yea or right. So 880 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,440 Speaker 1: that's that is a kind of a big red X 881 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,960 Speaker 1: on this one because we don't know what caught it 882 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,840 Speaker 1: on fire. It's just that this theory holds that basically 883 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,360 Speaker 1: something caught fire, and then this stuff caught on fire 884 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,280 Speaker 1: because of it and because of the high surface area, 885 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,600 Speaker 1: burned quite hot and quite fast, and that's where everything 886 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,440 Speaker 1: came from from there, Why that was packed in with 887 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of computers, I have no idea why somebody 888 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,400 Speaker 1: was standing next to it smoking a cigarette or something, 889 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,920 Speaker 1: and now they're another mystery. I believe that at that 890 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,960 Speaker 1: time it was still legal to smoke on airplanes, But yeah, 891 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,640 Speaker 1: I totally was. You would think, I mean, you'd be 892 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,920 Speaker 1: strategic in your packing too at that point too. Right, 893 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,040 Speaker 1: if you have something that's super volatile and like really slim, 894 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,200 Speaker 1: well you stick it below in the cargo area. You 895 00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,160 Speaker 1: don't stick it above where a passenger might accidentally maybe 896 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,840 Speaker 1: possibly want er into, right, You would would you would 897 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,880 Speaker 1: think I couldn't just wander into the cargo hold that 898 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,640 Speaker 1: crew knew how to get in there. But I'm just 899 00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,560 Speaker 1: I'm just just because you said it could be a 900 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,359 Speaker 1: passenger back there smoking there, I mean they couldn't just 901 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,760 Speaker 1: the door. It's not just a door. There was webbing 902 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,640 Speaker 1: and stuff. I'm pretty sure it was locked. You couldn't 903 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,000 Speaker 1: just wander in there. Well, it was locked. You know, 904 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,040 Speaker 1: nobody can never get through a locked door. Let's never 905 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,359 Speaker 1: get unlocked on accident or anything. Never. I just had 906 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,040 Speaker 1: this metal picture of one of the crew going back 907 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,880 Speaker 1: there and smoking a cigarette, and I just like flicking 908 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,080 Speaker 1: a cigarette off into the corner of the cargo hold 909 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,920 Speaker 1: and heading back after the cockpit. Oh God, that lady 910 00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:03,400 Speaker 1: in three B. She keeps hitting the stewardess button. Okay, 911 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,040 Speaker 1: let's move on from there. We're going to move to 912 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,240 Speaker 1: the next thing that might have been in the cargo hold, 913 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,160 Speaker 1: and that is fireworks. Okay. Fireworks, says we all know, 914 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,719 Speaker 1: are very combustible, and they're very They're unstable, like there's 915 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,839 Speaker 1: dune powder in there something, which is why you're not 916 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,280 Speaker 1: supposed to take them on airplanes because they can catch 917 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:26,080 Speaker 1: fire quite rapidly. It could be as simple as it was. 918 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,960 Speaker 1: I've seen it as places as let's say it was 919 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,040 Speaker 1: just sparklers. So let's say it was bundle, a bundle 920 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,200 Speaker 1: of sparklers together sitting in the back of a plane. 921 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,839 Speaker 1: And if they're stacked, they're like logs stacked on top 922 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,960 Speaker 1: of each other. The vibration over hours is going to 923 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,520 Speaker 1: create friction, which is going to create heat, which could 924 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,480 Speaker 1: eventually set one of them off. Is that a real thing? 925 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,000 Speaker 1: Is that? Is there? Asked the same question, Is there 926 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,960 Speaker 1: any documented instance that has ever happened? There's not. There's not, 927 00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,440 Speaker 1: because this is the only rational way that I can 928 00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:00,120 Speaker 1: come up with that a firework could have caused it 929 00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,719 Speaker 1: was the fire in the back of this plane. Yeah, 930 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,080 Speaker 1: because I mean those things are actually pretty stable. I 931 00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,760 Speaker 1: mean it's it's you actually have to take a flame 932 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,680 Speaker 1: to them. Well, but even then nine and a half 933 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,279 Speaker 1: hours of vibrations, it could happen. Think about it, is 934 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,480 Speaker 1: that sparkler should transport at all around the country and 935 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,640 Speaker 1: trucks and planes and everything like that, and as far 936 00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:24,080 Speaker 1: as I know, they don't, they don't self ignite. They're well, 937 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:28,200 Speaker 1: I mean imagine I wish everybody could see the look 938 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,680 Speaker 1: I just gave Steve, because they was good. Yeah, I'm 939 00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,279 Speaker 1: having a hard time buying this. But you are you 940 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,879 Speaker 1: are you going to cover the rocket theory? Well, well 941 00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,200 Speaker 1: go for it. Well yeah, I mean they're there are 942 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,320 Speaker 1: people saying that it wasn't just ammonium percolate or whatever 943 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,280 Speaker 1: it was like, or just rocket fuel. It was actually 944 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,200 Speaker 1: complete rockets like air to air missiles, air to surface missiles, 945 00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,960 Speaker 1: because I would those still have just like randomly exploded, 946 00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:56,000 Speaker 1: I mean, wouldn't been noted by the surprise inspection. Well 947 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,440 Speaker 1: unless they were. I mean, imagine what you have crates 948 00:53:58,440 --> 00:53:59,960 Speaker 1: of these things and then and then what you've done 949 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,520 Speaker 1: as you've glued computers to the outside of the crate 950 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,279 Speaker 1: and then wrapped it all in like plastic. I can 951 00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,560 Speaker 1: see Joe's Joe right now is is going through his 952 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,560 Speaker 1: head o case. So I've used the hot glue gun 953 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,759 Speaker 1: and I've glued this computer to that computer to make 954 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,640 Speaker 1: wall like their hot glue gun together. Is that how 955 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,799 Speaker 1: this goes? I mean, I'm not mocking you trying to understand, 956 00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,040 Speaker 1: and I mean it's it's just that that that theory 957 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:23,800 Speaker 1: has been put out there is that they were completed 958 00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,880 Speaker 1: weapons on board, that they were actually rockets on board. Again, 959 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,280 Speaker 1: they were smuggling again and again it makes no sense 960 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,960 Speaker 1: because you would want to smuggle those by ship, not 961 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,400 Speaker 1: by not by aircraft. And they had the ability to 962 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,839 Speaker 1: manufacture this stuff on their own. Yeah, they totally did. 963 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,560 Speaker 1: They did manufacture that stuff. Yeah, I'm not just not 964 00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,880 Speaker 1: just to feel, but the rockets themselves actually seven they 965 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,160 Speaker 1: put in service on a nifty little laser guy at 966 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,600 Speaker 1: the anti anti tank rocket. And so the South African 967 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:56,880 Speaker 1: has had a pretty good munitions industry that they even 968 00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,319 Speaker 1: had nuclear capability of one points. So yeah, they had 969 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,120 Speaker 1: that reported. They had six devices before they gave up 970 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,640 Speaker 1: control of the country. They dismantled them. But yeah, but 971 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:12,160 Speaker 1: but the point is, would you fly a pallate of 972 00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,680 Speaker 1: missiles if you could make them yourself. Well, it's a 973 00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,440 Speaker 1: matter of actually they were importing stuff. I mean, some 974 00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,120 Speaker 1: of the missiles that they use they imported from France, Israel, 975 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,080 Speaker 1: the US at least before the embargo, probably after the 976 00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,920 Speaker 1: embargo to stealthily, stealthily, you know, they probably could do that. 977 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,400 Speaker 1: But again, number one, you'd want to bring them in 978 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,440 Speaker 1: by different means because you don't want to import those 979 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,399 Speaker 1: things two or three at a time. And six yeah, 980 00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,880 Speaker 1: just cost yeah yeah, And and the other thing. The 981 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,440 Speaker 1: other thing is as if again, if it was a rocket, 982 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,160 Speaker 1: liquid or excuse me, solid fuel, rockets are very stable. 983 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,799 Speaker 1: You need to actually ignite those things. Yeah, that's why 984 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,400 Speaker 1: we put them on ships and float them around everywhere, 985 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,480 Speaker 1: because we know they're not just going to randomly go 986 00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,000 Speaker 1: on Like we throw them in planes that are going 987 00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,280 Speaker 1: to like be flying for lots and lots of hours. 988 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,680 Speaker 1: And because as we know, they're not going to just 989 00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:08,040 Speaker 1: I mean even if the vibration theory with the smart 990 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,600 Speaker 1: pers or whatever, I mean that they are made to 991 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,960 Speaker 1: go on things that vibrate for lots and lots of 992 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,280 Speaker 1: hours under extreme force like that should be totally normally 993 00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,600 Speaker 1: should be stable enough to withstand that. And also, by 994 00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,359 Speaker 1: the way, if it wants to solid fuel rocket goes off. 995 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,120 Speaker 1: Once it starts going, it can't be shut down. It 996 00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,800 Speaker 1: just burns until all the fuel is gone and putting 997 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,759 Speaker 1: out losses rust. And by the way, I like, from 998 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,480 Speaker 1: what I might understand, the temperature of the flames and 999 00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:40,120 Speaker 1: these things is like between four thousand degrees fahrenheit, and 1000 00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:44,840 Speaker 1: so the entire every the context of the entire hold 1001 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:51,000 Speaker 1: would have been on fire. Yeah, everything, all of the 1002 00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:57,960 Speaker 1: metal would have been, the whole thing melted into a 1003 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,880 Speaker 1: funny there's a giant and hole in the metal decking 1004 00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,399 Speaker 1: of this play. I'm more interested in a little little 1005 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,399 Speaker 1: hot spot on the pus. Yeah, it's so I think 1006 00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,800 Speaker 1: we can eliminate the rockets created weapons. Okay, but you 1007 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,640 Speaker 1: know another theory. This theory seems a little more plausible. 1008 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,000 Speaker 1: Oh you're talking about the wire yeah, yeah, the faulty 1009 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:24,560 Speaker 1: wire wing yeah, and the flammable installation. Yeah. Okay, let's 1010 00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,200 Speaker 1: let's talk about this theory. Because I actually have to 1011 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,840 Speaker 1: to give credit to a guy. His name is Mark D. 1012 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,080 Speaker 1: Young for putting all the pieces together for this. He 1013 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,600 Speaker 1: broke up a pretty good article on it. Yeah, I 1014 00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,920 Speaker 1: read that and I thought it was really compelling. It's 1015 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,040 Speaker 1: uh yeah and completely convincing. Yeah, he really does. He 1016 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,760 Speaker 1: really does a good job. This guy seems to actually 1017 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,920 Speaker 1: know what he's talking about. He really does. In a nutshell. 1018 00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,800 Speaker 1: Here's how this theory works is in the seventies and eighties, 1019 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,800 Speaker 1: there was a thin type of wiring that was being 1020 00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,160 Speaker 1: used the most passenger airlines and it was known as 1021 00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,160 Speaker 1: m I L DASH W DASH eight one three eight one, 1022 00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,200 Speaker 1: the clever name. Yes, yeah, it's totally easy. Yeah. In 1023 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:10,000 Speaker 1: the industry, it was referred to as captain k A 1024 00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:14,000 Speaker 1: P T O N. I'm gonna call it capta on uh. 1025 00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,440 Speaker 1: And it was thought to be extremely durable. But it 1026 00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:22,240 Speaker 1: turns out that after several years, the rubber plastic coating 1027 00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:26,480 Speaker 1: it's a polytomide, that's what it is, it was found 1028 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,800 Speaker 1: to crack really easily. And um, okay, what's the word. 1029 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,640 Speaker 1: It's it's frequently, isn't the word? There is? Tons and 1030 00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:39,440 Speaker 1: tons and tons of cracking like crazy. Yes, that's what 1031 00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,480 Speaker 1: that's the word that I'm looking for. It would it 1032 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,560 Speaker 1: would be coated in cracks. I don't know. I gotta 1033 00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,080 Speaker 1: be honest with you. I don't think I knew what 1034 00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,520 Speaker 1: crazing meant. So oh it's you know, like when you 1035 00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,480 Speaker 1: see porcelain and stuff like that. So all the spiderweb 1036 00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,840 Speaker 1: fine fine layers and layers of fine cracks would call 1037 00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:03,440 Speaker 1: prolifically well, those crap unfortunately weren't very apparent because the 1038 00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:07,800 Speaker 1: wires are so small. Yeah, the wire itself, you need 1039 00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,240 Speaker 1: to understand, is about as thick as several strands of 1040 00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,560 Speaker 1: human hair. So it's a really really thin wire within 1041 00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,640 Speaker 1: the coating on top. So it's hard to tell if 1042 00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:21,000 Speaker 1: it's cracked. And that's a bad thing because it was 1043 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:25,160 Speaker 1: discovered that when the insulation that that coating on the 1044 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,480 Speaker 1: wire would crack and it was exposed to a damp 1045 00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:32,520 Speaker 1: or a human environment like say the inside of a 1046 00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,640 Speaker 1: plane after nine and a half hours with nearly a 1047 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:41,200 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty people breathing moisture out um, it would, 1048 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:46,120 Speaker 1: uh what is called wet arcing would happen. Although I 1049 00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,880 Speaker 1: have to say an airplane is not it's superhuman. I 1050 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,040 Speaker 1: don't think of it as a human environment, but it 1051 00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,400 Speaker 1: is damp. I mean, I've been on airplanes where you 1052 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,360 Speaker 1: can see condensation on the inside of the glass on 1053 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,200 Speaker 1: your window. Don't know what was going on back in 1054 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:02,760 Speaker 1: the back in the hold. I don't know if the 1055 01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,680 Speaker 1: hold was heated or not. Well, if it was, if 1056 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,000 Speaker 1: it was not pressurized, it was probably cooler, so there 1057 01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,000 Speaker 1: was probably it was going It would be cooler back 1058 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,200 Speaker 1: there because remember it's lower pressure, so it would be 1059 01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,080 Speaker 1: a lower pressure, so things would accumulate back there. Yeah, 1060 01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,480 Speaker 1: I would be. I can picture some condensation going on 1061 01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,840 Speaker 1: back there. So let me you know. Actually, I'm not 1062 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:25,080 Speaker 1: good enough at the science to explain this, so I 1063 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:31,120 Speaker 1: cheated and I found somebody from Harvard. This is totally 1064 01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,600 Speaker 1: This is totally from Harvard. Joe, can you read this? Actually, 1065 01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:38,280 Speaker 1: you you sound like Harvard guy smart pants with the 1066 01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,000 Speaker 1: German accent. I would just like you to use your 1067 01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:45,160 Speaker 1: regular voice. Okay, al right, okay. Quote. Electrical wet wire 1068 01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,400 Speaker 1: art tracking is a phenomenon that has been known for 1069 01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,960 Speaker 1: many years. This can occur when leakage currents on a 1070 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,640 Speaker 1: wet installation surface are great enough to vaporize and moisture, 1071 01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,240 Speaker 1: resulting in the formation of dry spots. These dry spots 1072 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,160 Speaker 1: offer a high amount of resistance to current flow. In 1073 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,160 Speaker 1: turn and induced voltage will develop across these spots and 1074 01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:10,040 Speaker 1: result in the occurrence of small surface discharges. These discharges 1075 01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,400 Speaker 1: produced highly localized temperatures on the order of one thousand 1076 01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:19,320 Speaker 1: degrees celsius slashes fahrenheit, which is kind of hot. Yeah, okay, 1077 01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,000 Speaker 1: back to the quote. Temperatures of this magnitude will cause 1078 01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,240 Speaker 1: thermal degradation of the insulation material, the nature of which 1079 01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:29,520 Speaker 1: depends on the insulation of material used. Unquote simple version. 1080 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:35,000 Speaker 1: What arcing is very bad. It creates extremely hot spots 1081 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:41,640 Speaker 1: when it happens, which when combined with flammable material, is 1082 01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:46,120 Speaker 1: a huge problem, especially when it's on an airplane. And 1083 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,520 Speaker 1: here's something else that folks need to know is again, 1084 01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:53,080 Speaker 1: in the seventies and eighties, there was an insulation being 1085 01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,960 Speaker 1: used on airplanes. It was called it's metalized my lar, 1086 01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:03,720 Speaker 1: which really looks like fiberglass installation wrapped in tinfoil milars. 1087 01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:08,600 Speaker 1: Just it's like what you see balloons. Yeah, exactly. Well, 1088 01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:12,040 Speaker 1: it turns out that they thought that this stuff was 1089 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:19,040 Speaker 1: extremely fire resistant, and when it's exposed to an instantly 1090 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:24,280 Speaker 1: obscenely hot point of contact, it's totally, totally flammable. Yeah, 1091 01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,720 Speaker 1: it's like a lower lower temperatures. Yeah, it didn't catch 1092 01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,000 Speaker 1: fire at all. Yeah, it turns out that. Yeah, you 1093 01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,760 Speaker 1: throw something that is blistering hot next to it and 1094 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,400 Speaker 1: the thing goes up like a piece of paper something 1095 01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:40,480 Speaker 1: that's centigrade. But in fairness, most things will catch fire 1096 01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,360 Speaker 1: at a thousand degrees c that's true, which is why 1097 01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,160 Speaker 1: it is hard to find, and that's why they had 1098 01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:50,400 Speaker 1: to find stuff that wasn't And unfortunately, for a decade 1099 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,360 Speaker 1: or two they were packing airplanes with this stuff, thinking 1100 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,760 Speaker 1: that it was resistant to fires, when in fact it was, well, 1101 01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,440 Speaker 1: it was resistant to most normal fire. Yeah it was, 1102 01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,600 Speaker 1: Joe said. Some idiot flicked his cigarette into the corner 1103 01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,680 Speaker 1: and it caught the carpet on fire. The insulation probably 1104 01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't have burnt. And unfairness, you got it was much 1105 01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,200 Speaker 1: much better than the stuff that was made out of 1106 01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:18,360 Speaker 1: ammonium percolate that it replaced. Yeah, that thing. But okay, 1107 01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,760 Speaker 1: back to here, do you remember pr the palette that 1108 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:29,080 Speaker 1: is in question that the flame would supposedly have taken place. Yes, Well, 1109 01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:33,760 Speaker 1: according to the work that Mark Young has done, he 1110 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,280 Speaker 1: has figured out that there was a main wiring path 1111 01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:43,240 Speaker 1: that ran above pr and that wiring path used this 1112 01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:48,640 Speaker 1: wire that the captain wiring, and it was also underneath 1113 01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:53,800 Speaker 1: or directly on top of insulation. So if wet arcing 1114 01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,080 Speaker 1: took place, it would have caught that insulation on fire. 1115 01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:01,600 Speaker 1: That insulation would have eventually burned enough to fall on 1116 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:06,040 Speaker 1: top of the palette, which would have kept the fire 1117 01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:10,320 Speaker 1: above the deck of the plane, which would explain you know, 1118 01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,440 Speaker 1: it's that super hot, that slag is going to happen 1119 01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,360 Speaker 1: in that super high temperature, and then the fire is 1120 01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,920 Speaker 1: going to continue to burn upwards. Right there. It really 1121 01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:25,640 Speaker 1: kind of nicely bundles up a bunch of the evidence 1122 01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,240 Speaker 1: we have for whearing what the fire did, particularly if 1123 01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,840 Speaker 1: it started burning down a little bit. If it's starting 1124 01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,560 Speaker 1: to burn into those plastics, the fumes that are coming 1125 01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:38,640 Speaker 1: off of that. You know then you've ever thrown plastic 1126 01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,520 Speaker 1: into like a campfire or whatever, Yeah, and it gets 1127 01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:47,200 Speaker 1: like really really smoky and like you start so you know, 1128 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,080 Speaker 1: if that's starting to burn like a little bit, it's 1129 01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,240 Speaker 1: going to really complicate things a lot. So yeah, that's 1130 01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:56,320 Speaker 1: a good put some toxic fumes into the rest of 1131 01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,600 Speaker 1: the plane. The other thing, but the thing about the 1132 01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,120 Speaker 1: one thing I wanted to mention too, is it you 1133 01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,240 Speaker 1: look at if you look at his his website that 1134 01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:06,280 Speaker 1: has he his arguments on it, he has he has 1135 01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,880 Speaker 1: drawings of exactly where that wiring course was precisely corresponds 1136 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,280 Speaker 1: to the place where all he does it does and no, 1137 01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,280 Speaker 1: nobody has officially reinvestigated it, but he makes a really 1138 01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:22,600 Speaker 1: good argument. Is argument also does explain something else which 1139 01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,600 Speaker 1: is on the voice data recorder they talk about the 1140 01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,480 Speaker 1: crew talks about to the tower, the fact that they're 1141 01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:34,520 Speaker 1: having problems with their electronics. Well, if their main wiring 1142 01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:40,200 Speaker 1: path is on fire, that's going to screw up the electronics. 1143 01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:44,840 Speaker 1: So it totally totally makes sense. Yeah, they were. They 1144 01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:48,160 Speaker 1: were like circuit breakers were popping. Yeah, then that sound 1145 01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,880 Speaker 1: got picked up on the cockpit voice recording he did, 1146 01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,680 Speaker 1: and I can just see that as as wires melted together, 1147 01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:55,480 Speaker 1: and you know, you got shorts and you're going to 1148 01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:59,040 Speaker 1: make parts and shorts and things, and circuit breakers are 1149 01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,240 Speaker 1: going to do what they're They're gonna start snapping and 1150 01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:04,160 Speaker 1: you can't turn them back on. It's not like your 1151 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,840 Speaker 1: house where you blow a fuse and you just go 1152 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,160 Speaker 1: turn it back on. It doesn't work. Like that on 1153 01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,840 Speaker 1: the plane because the wire is gone completely gone. It 1154 01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,680 Speaker 1: makes me wonder if whether they would have you even 1155 01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,960 Speaker 1: been able to land the plane, even if the crew 1156 01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,560 Speaker 1: had survived in the plane to remain remained intact, what 1157 01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,439 Speaker 1: they've been able to get the landing year down for? Yeah, 1158 01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,120 Speaker 1: you know, that's a that's a really good question, because 1159 01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:30,200 Speaker 1: there is Joe. You may remember the exact wording for this, 1160 01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,920 Speaker 1: but I can't. Is that planes would there used to 1161 01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,720 Speaker 1: be fly by wire where all the controls were done 1162 01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:42,240 Speaker 1: by wire and then you know, like cables, and then 1163 01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,960 Speaker 1: I can't remember what it is when it's done by electronics. 1164 01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,000 Speaker 1: But those big planes are not fly by wire. They 1165 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:52,520 Speaker 1: are totally done by electrical signals turning everything on and on. Yeah, 1166 01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,800 Speaker 1: I'm not so. I think that they may not have been. 1167 01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,880 Speaker 1: The best they probably could have done was actually bellied 1168 01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,800 Speaker 1: down on the runway. If they've been able to come in, well, 1169 01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,400 Speaker 1: I mean, felly down is better than like torpedoed into 1170 01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,360 Speaker 1: the water, that's true. I mean I'm saying to ask 1171 01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,520 Speaker 1: your question, could they even got the landing gear down? 1172 01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,920 Speaker 1: Probably not. I don't think they You know, if you're 1173 01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:13,760 Speaker 1: actually if you work for an airline and you're on 1174 01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,000 Speaker 1: some long haul thing and you're listening to us to 1175 01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,400 Speaker 1: your earbuds where you're too along over the Pacific to 1176 01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:23,720 Speaker 1: give us a call. But I'm thinking that there has 1177 01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,640 Speaker 1: to be some sort of manual hydraulic backup, but lowering 1178 01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,720 Speaker 1: the landing gears and operating the controls. There has to be, 1179 01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,919 Speaker 1: you know, it would be insane to do anything else. 1180 01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:36,520 Speaker 1: As again, this always happens to us. We've all thought 1181 01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,400 Speaker 1: about this, but none of us took the time to 1182 01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:42,040 Speaker 1: look because it was the last minute thought. I didn't 1183 01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,400 Speaker 1: until just now. That's what I'm saying. My hand I 1184 01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,840 Speaker 1: kind of new and this is too much googling for 1185 01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,080 Speaker 1: me to do on the fly. It's not like looking 1186 01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,280 Speaker 1: up like what's a galleon? Oh it's Harry Potter thing. 1187 01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,360 Speaker 1: Yeah it's not the thing. Yeah, I'll call Bowing tomorrow 1188 01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,760 Speaker 1: and find out. All right, green one, I believe you will. 1189 01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,840 Speaker 1: Let's move to our last theory, because we believe it 1190 01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:03,600 Speaker 1: or not, we're, you know, way into this, and we 1191 01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,960 Speaker 1: still got one more theory. Yeah, said this was going 1192 01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,120 Speaker 1: to be a short one. No, no, no, you saw 1193 01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,160 Speaker 1: the script. I've been writting bigger and bigger scripts. I'm 1194 01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,320 Speaker 1: working on a book, I know. Yeah, really that we 1195 01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,479 Speaker 1: might actually come out with that thinking sideways book. Yeah no, 1196 01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:19,799 Speaker 1: because we get sued because it's full of copy paste, 1197 01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:29,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't that? Now Wikipedia is gonna sue us. Let's move on, though, 1198 01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,960 Speaker 1: to our next one, which our next theory is based 1199 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:36,600 Speaker 1: on chemical oxygen generators. And we've talked about this a 1200 01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,960 Speaker 1: little bit in the very beginning. We threw it around, 1201 01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,479 Speaker 1: though we didn't explain what was going on. So let 1202 01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,640 Speaker 1: me explain what we're talking about here. You've been on 1203 01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,839 Speaker 1: a plane, you've seen the steward or steward is. Explain 1204 01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:50,360 Speaker 1: how the oxygen mask drop, and then you're supposed to 1205 01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,759 Speaker 1: put your own mask on before you assist the elderly 1206 01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:57,000 Speaker 1: or children. Well, I foolishly, for a long long time, 1207 01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,519 Speaker 1: just presumed that there was some giant canna stir of 1208 01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:05,479 Speaker 1: air on the plane that piped into those little rubber tubes. 1209 01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,759 Speaker 1: Absolutely not true, because it turns out a giant tank 1210 01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:15,519 Speaker 1: of air is stupidly heavy and you just can't be 1211 01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,360 Speaker 1: packing that around that That costs way too much fuel 1212 01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,479 Speaker 1: to lift up and down all the time when a 1213 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:27,280 Speaker 1: plane flies. So instead, what they do is they generate 1214 01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:32,439 Speaker 1: oxygen in a chemical fashion. Uh, and there's a chemical 1215 01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:35,840 Speaker 1: way to store it, and there's a bunch of Evidently 1216 01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,240 Speaker 1: I had to read the science eight hundred times and 1217 01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:42,320 Speaker 1: I'm still not positive how this works. But there's potassium 1218 01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:47,479 Speaker 1: chlorate and sodium chlorate are rich in oxygen, and when 1219 01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:55,040 Speaker 1: put under the right um circumstances or pressure situations, they 1220 01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:58,760 Speaker 1: will give up oxygen, much like a sponge wood that 1221 01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,599 Speaker 1: was full of water. If you s ease it, they 1222 01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,759 Speaker 1: just give off oxygen, which is pure, which is great 1223 01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,560 Speaker 1: when you want to pump it out to people because 1224 01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:12,080 Speaker 1: it is in a small pellet or cylinder form, so 1225 01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,160 Speaker 1: it's something that's very small and very light, and it 1226 01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:19,640 Speaker 1: just takes either a chemical reaction or a friction reaction 1227 01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:25,320 Speaker 1: to make this stuff activate. It doesn't actually burn so much. 1228 01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:29,400 Speaker 1: It's more of a decomposition degradation of the material, but 1229 01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,719 Speaker 1: that's what puts out all the oxygen. But that process 1230 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:37,240 Speaker 1: does generate a bunch of heat. It's like, yeah, it's like, well, 1231 01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:40,560 Speaker 1: actually even burning, that's that's basically if you burn a 1232 01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,599 Speaker 1: piece of wood, that's oxidation. Yeah, And that's yeah, it's 1233 01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:45,760 Speaker 1: it's what it is. You're breaking this material down and 1234 01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,600 Speaker 1: one of its main by products turns out to be 1235 01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,719 Speaker 1: O two and the other byproducts lots of heat. Lots 1236 01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,120 Speaker 1: of heat. So the O two will go into your 1237 01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:57,400 Speaker 1: little mask and it's super lightweight and it's easy to 1238 01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,200 Speaker 1: transport and you get to breathe if your oxy your 1239 01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:07,160 Speaker 1: mask comes down, Yes you Okay, not Joe. Joe didn't 1240 01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,479 Speaker 1: put on his mask because we've heard him talking me either, 1241 01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:21,120 Speaker 1: because I keep gabbing on but um. But the point 1242 01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,960 Speaker 1: is they're very light, but they do generate a bunch 1243 01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:29,000 Speaker 1: of heat. The problem with them is that they can, 1244 01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:33,679 Speaker 1: and they have in the past ignited things that were 1245 01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:37,720 Speaker 1: near them. They generate that much heat in their their 1246 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:42,160 Speaker 1: degradation process. Uh, there's a there's a what is it's 1247 01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:47,960 Speaker 1: it's value jet flight five nine two. This was it 1248 01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:52,360 Speaker 1: crashed ten minutes after takeoff. And what they figured out 1249 01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:56,400 Speaker 1: was that there were chemical action generators that were in 1250 01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,559 Speaker 1: were loaded on the plane. They were they were loaded 1251 01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:03,639 Speaker 1: in the cargo hold and improperly stowed, and they shouldn't 1252 01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,679 Speaker 1: have been there in the first place, and so they 1253 01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:10,280 Speaker 1: went off and they generated a boatload of heat, which 1254 01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,759 Speaker 1: caused the plane to catch on fire and go down. 1255 01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:17,120 Speaker 1: Almost immediately as whereas on our on our they would 1256 01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,400 Speaker 1: have all been stowed in the correct places. It's not 1257 01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:22,840 Speaker 1: like they were they weren't halling a cargo of these things. 1258 01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:27,920 Speaker 1: But if this plane is meant to potentially have passengers 1259 01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:32,000 Speaker 1: in the area where the cargo is, that means there 1260 01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:36,679 Speaker 1: had to have been some kind of oxygen delivery system 1261 01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,000 Speaker 1: back there. It would have been, you know, in the 1262 01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:43,200 Speaker 1: ceiling cavity somewhere, because that's where the chemical action generator 1263 01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,320 Speaker 1: I presume would have been stored. I may be wrong 1264 01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,799 Speaker 1: on that, but all I can think what this theory 1265 01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:54,240 Speaker 1: is going for is that either the oxygen generator was 1266 01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:59,160 Speaker 1: ignited improperly through you know, friction can ignite them. That 1267 01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,000 Speaker 1: is one of the method that's used to ignite them. 1268 01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:04,760 Speaker 1: Friction could have set it off which created all that 1269 01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:09,280 Speaker 1: heat and oh, by the way, it's spewing oxygen out 1270 01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:13,280 Speaker 1: onto the fire is created, which would make it burn 1271 01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:18,320 Speaker 1: super hot. Or the oxygen generator went off if it's 1272 01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,719 Speaker 1: not in that ceiling area. Again, I don't know where 1273 01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,760 Speaker 1: they are on the seven four seven, but the oxygen 1274 01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:29,800 Speaker 1: would have been in that overhead compartment because that's where 1275 01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,479 Speaker 1: it has to drop out. Of which means that there 1276 01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:36,400 Speaker 1: would have been a massive amount of pure o two 1277 01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:40,280 Speaker 1: next to what anything that could have caught on fire 1278 01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:45,360 Speaker 1: that then would subsequently burn obscenely fast and hot. I'm 1279 01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:49,080 Speaker 1: not pictures of the insides of these holes, and I 1280 01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,520 Speaker 1: haven't seen anything that even resembles an oxygen breathing apparatus 1281 01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,479 Speaker 1: in there. See. That was the thing, is that I 1282 01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:56,880 Speaker 1: know that the you know when you look at your plane, 1283 01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,919 Speaker 1: you know there's the overhead um what is the overhead 1284 01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,040 Speaker 1: thing where you put your bags? Yeah, you know where 1285 01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:07,439 Speaker 1: the guy with the giant wheelie bags is a huge 1286 01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:11,040 Speaker 1: bag that should have never been in the the You 1287 01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:14,360 Speaker 1: can tell we've all traveled by area. Yes, yes, I 1288 01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:19,000 Speaker 1: have that jack beat you know, and then try and 1289 01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:23,840 Speaker 1: so those overhead bins wouldn't be there. But the if 1290 01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:28,240 Speaker 1: the overhead bins were to be returned for seating, there 1291 01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:32,800 Speaker 1: has to be somewhere that the oxygen mass setup is 1292 01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:37,519 Speaker 1: plugged into. Would you agree with that? So somewhere in 1293 01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:41,360 Speaker 1: there that system has to be, which is where this 1294 01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,320 Speaker 1: whole thing is saying that. Well, then that it's spewing 1295 01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:47,960 Speaker 1: that purou to, which is then feeding the fire. I 1296 01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:51,599 Speaker 1: don't I don't put a whole lot of creedence in 1297 01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,439 Speaker 1: this particular one. I think that it's a bit of 1298 01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:59,200 Speaker 1: a stretch. I think that it's very interesting and it's 1299 01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,439 Speaker 1: really interest thing because of the fact that we do 1300 01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:06,400 Speaker 1: know that the chemical oxen generators caused planes to go 1301 01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:10,360 Speaker 1: down in the past. They have. But yeah, is it 1302 01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:13,639 Speaker 1: a perfect fit. No, but it kind of better than 1303 01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:17,000 Speaker 1: than red mercury. Oh yeah. I think the faulty wiring 1304 01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:19,599 Speaker 1: is probably the culprit in this case. And I think 1305 01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,759 Speaker 1: that marketing is correct and that the the investigation should 1306 01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,920 Speaker 1: be reopened because it's time to put a lot of 1307 01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:31,439 Speaker 1: these rumors to rest because there's he I like his 1308 01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:37,639 Speaker 1: theory the best simply because it ties things together so well, yeah, 1309 01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,040 Speaker 1: it really does, and he may be wrong, but he 1310 01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:45,200 Speaker 1: has done the best job of making a complete package 1311 01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,040 Speaker 1: out of it. Oh yeah, it's absolutely every everything makes sense. 1312 01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:51,760 Speaker 1: It makes a complete sense, which is compelling to the 1313 01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:55,280 Speaker 1: oxygen apparatus really still doesn't quite make sense, because you know, 1314 01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:57,519 Speaker 1: how did it get started? You know again we got 1315 01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,800 Speaker 1: we're back to that. Yeah, we're back to that is 1316 01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:01,680 Speaker 1: the That's a big question for a lot of us, 1317 01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,160 Speaker 1: is I mean, everything is how did this fire start 1318 01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:06,760 Speaker 1: and the only one who's who has come up with 1319 01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:11,840 Speaker 1: a very plausible way for the fireston. Yeah. Yeah, and 1320 01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:16,120 Speaker 1: it totally makes sense. Yeah, um, I do want to that's, 1321 01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:17,920 Speaker 1: by the way, the end of all of our theories. 1322 01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:19,479 Speaker 1: But there is just one little bit I want to 1323 01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:22,760 Speaker 1: add at the end here. This is very simple, Devon. 1324 01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:28,160 Speaker 1: We're almost done. Stop googling. You're googling, right, you're not tweeting. 1325 01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,559 Speaker 1: The findings of this investigation did change a lot of 1326 01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:36,400 Speaker 1: things in the airline industry. Better fire suppression systems were introduced. 1327 01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,360 Speaker 1: They became a requirement and were introduced, and that of 1328 01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:44,240 Speaker 1: course added weight to planes, which made the comedy completely 1329 01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,200 Speaker 1: and totally obsolete. It went the way of the Dodo. 1330 01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:50,120 Speaker 1: You either have people on board or you don't. That's 1331 01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:52,799 Speaker 1: the way it happens now, which makes the most sense. 1332 01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,519 Speaker 1: I'm most comfortable with that. Yeah, although you know, it's 1333 01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,519 Speaker 1: really interesting. I was I just found out today. Is 1334 01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:04,120 Speaker 1: one of the major um FedEx or not you maybe 1335 01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:08,320 Speaker 1: it was UPS. I can't remember which one Brown whichever 1336 01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:12,200 Speaker 1: one it is, Okay, one of those and I don't 1337 01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,120 Speaker 1: remember which one it is, but one of those major 1338 01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,200 Speaker 1: companies that you know will fly packages back and forth 1339 01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:19,639 Speaker 1: cross the country, you know, same day air kind of stuff. 1340 01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:23,120 Speaker 1: There's actually a contract with the US government. All of 1341 01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:26,240 Speaker 1: their planes are set up to have the ability on 1342 01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,360 Speaker 1: that main deck like a regular airplane would that we 1343 01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:33,160 Speaker 1: would commercially fly to have seats plugged into them so 1344 01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:36,439 Speaker 1: that they can turn into troop transports. But that's different. 1345 01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,320 Speaker 1: Well no, it's just but this is a very interesting site. 1346 01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:43,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, it is interesting that they But but the comedy, 1347 01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:46,519 Speaker 1: the comedy went away. Let's speaking of great adaptations and planes. 1348 01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,320 Speaker 1: By the way, did I ever tell you about the 1349 01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,800 Speaker 1: Boeing actually came up with a concept for the seven 1350 01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:55,400 Speaker 1: forty seven as a cruise missile launcher. No, I'm serious, 1351 01:17:55,760 --> 01:18:00,080 Speaker 1: really really surprising that much. Really, yeah, it shouldn't, but 1352 01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:02,599 Speaker 1: it does. They did. They had they had a whole 1353 01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:04,880 Speaker 1: system set up, They had it all worked out. I mean, 1354 01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't It wasn't like they weren't ready to build 1355 01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:09,639 Speaker 1: a prototype. It was basically kind of a concept thing 1356 01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,720 Speaker 1: when they had drawings and stuff, and basically on the 1357 01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,559 Speaker 1: starboard side, at the aft part of the plane, there 1358 01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:18,240 Speaker 1: was going to be a door, a door a report 1359 01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:20,559 Speaker 1: that would open the side and on the inside they 1360 01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:24,120 Speaker 1: would have cruise missiles stowed on basically a rack that 1361 01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,160 Speaker 1: was kind of like a carousel that would move around, 1362 01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:28,200 Speaker 1: so it was kind of automn it was basically automated, 1363 01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:30,880 Speaker 1: and then they would they would move back to that 1364 01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,760 Speaker 1: that spot door would open. Obviously, this is this would 1365 01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,200 Speaker 1: probably usually be done at the lower altitudes where they 1366 01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:40,040 Speaker 1: could fly depressure out and then cruise missiles would basically 1367 01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:42,240 Speaker 1: be ejected out the side of the plane back there 1368 01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,320 Speaker 1: and then they would you know, light off and take 1369 01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,760 Speaker 1: off and build destroy things. And so this whole idea 1370 01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,240 Speaker 1: and that you could I don't know how many cruise 1371 01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,400 Speaker 1: missiles you could pack on with seven forty seven, but 1372 01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,719 Speaker 1: I bet it's a hell of a lot. Yeah, yeah, 1373 01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,400 Speaker 1: I personally don't think there's many pilots who would want 1374 01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:00,960 Speaker 1: to fly that plane based on the fact that it's 1375 01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:04,679 Speaker 1: that many cruise misses in the plane. Hey, what the hell? 1376 01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,080 Speaker 1: You know? I think a lot of plot but I 1377 01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:08,960 Speaker 1: and I personally I think the U. S. Guvernment should 1378 01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:10,840 Speaker 1: have taken them up on it, because basically it would 1379 01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:12,840 Speaker 1: have been a real cheap alternative to a lot of 1380 01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:15,559 Speaker 1: the stuff that we have, and and it really probably 1381 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,720 Speaker 1: would have done the job just fine. But it's an 1382 01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,120 Speaker 1: honestly got true story. And if I can find the link, 1383 01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:24,000 Speaker 1: I will, I'll give it to book. I'll put on 1384 01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,240 Speaker 1: our Facebook so you guys can read about that little project. Awesome. Yeah, Well, 1385 01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,120 Speaker 1: since we're talking about Facebook and we're at the stand 1386 01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:32,360 Speaker 1: of the story, let's give everybody all of our linky 1387 01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:36,680 Speaker 1: links here. Our social media for Facebook, we have, of 1388 01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:40,280 Speaker 1: course the Facebook page and the Facebook group, so like 1389 01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:43,120 Speaker 1: the page, joined the group, a bunch of activity there. 1390 01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:47,040 Speaker 1: We are, of course on Twitter, so we are Thinking 1391 01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:50,280 Speaker 1: Sideways to drop the g in the middle. 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You anything else do you guys 1430 01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:12,200 Speaker 1: want to add to this particular episode now, short circuit, 1431 01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:16,519 Speaker 1: that's all. I don't care. Electrical, that's not true. Yeah. 1432 01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:19,800 Speaker 1: I think it was conspiracy, but that's you know, that's 1433 01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,679 Speaker 1: a great thing. All right, Well, I'm going to take off. 1434 01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:31,000 Speaker 1: I think it was squirrels. Squirrels in the fuselage. Yeah, 1435 01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:32,840 Speaker 1: they nibbled on the law I ring. Next thing. You know, 1436 01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,920 Speaker 1: it's all things called go to hell next week. So 1437 01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:37,840 Speaker 1: embarrassed right now,