WEBVTT - Draft Show: McClay’s Method 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:10.119 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:14.000 war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:17.920 within the conbines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Fresco, 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:24.520 the Dallas Cowboys, Tyler Smith, and now your host, Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:28.960 Hey there, everybody, Welcome into the Draft Show, presented by 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:31.800 Miller Light. We are live from the Indiana Convention Center 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:35.680 in the twenty twenty three NFL Combine on Radio Row. 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:38.479 We are on site for day number three of the 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.720 combine this year alongside Ayesha Morrison. I'm Kyle Yeoman's. We 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.160 are pleased to be joined by a very special guest 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:47.000 if you got Vice President of Player Personnel Will McClay 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:50.000 joining us now. And Will, it's been a busy week 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:52.080 for you already. How's it been going. It's great. You 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:53.720 said it was day number three. I feel like it's 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:57.600 a day number twelve. How it runs were during the combine? 0:00:57.680 --> 0:00:59.800 What is this combine been light compared to some of 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:02.760 the ones that you've had in the past. Um, it's 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.399 it's very very similar. I just think that what's changed 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.560 is they're improving the player experience, which means it's a 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:12.040 little longer day a little different for the rest of 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:13.520 us that are trying to do our job, but it's 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:16.040 the same old deal, oh man. Overall, I mean it 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:18.640 really feels like that because they pushed everything back a 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.840 little bit, the interviews, the drills, and it keeps you 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:25.119 here longer, right, Yeah. I mean today we started interviews 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:26.920 at eight in the morning and then we'll go till 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:30.280 eleven o'clock at night with that break in between the workouts. Okay, 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:31.800 what do you get to eat in the middle. That's 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:34.640 that's what we got to talk about it. Whatever's up 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:36.920 in the suite, and you know, we roll with it. 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.960 You mentioned the player experiences being important and something you 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:43.600 guys are prioritizing. What are ways that you folks are 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:47.240 trying to prioritize and make the players experience better. I 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:49.480 think what we're trying to do, the league is trying 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:53.000 to do, and the Combine Committee is trying to give 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:56.840 the players more opportunity to rest before their events so 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:00.640 that they're fresher, um just giving them a better overall experience. 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:04.800 And you know, in their introduction to the NFL overall 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:09.880 you mentioned kind of the overall experience. Has that shifted 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:13.080 from a league wide scenario through from your early days 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.840 to what it is now and it's become more player centric. 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.880 But how has it changed for an executive like yourself. 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:21.200 You know, we have to adjust and you know and 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.679 in this game and everybody has to adjust, and there's 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.240 different things that you have to do to be able 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:30.000 to figure out how to work within the conditions that 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:31.840 you have. So you know, they're going to give us 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.480 a set of rules. We've abide by those rules and 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:35.919 we want to make the best of it. And the 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.680 number one thing is for us is getting the opportunity 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.519 to converse with the players, find out who they are, 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:44.639 just get a little bit more information. Is that one 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:47.000 of your favorite parts of the process is getting to 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:50.239 know those guys. Yeah, you know, we're into people business. 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.760 I've said this before. We're asking people about people. Uh, 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.840 and you know we're gathering that information. So now is 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.840 our opportunity to find out that information we gather as 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:03.400 but also to put our own you know, feelings to 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.119 what we think about the player from interacting with them. Yeah, 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.960 put the face to the name. For me, it's also 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.600 just seeing these guys myself, seeing their builds, seeing how 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:14.000 they interact, just seeing how they interact with their peers, 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.120 a lot of them just a lot of them just 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:18.079 taking the time to talk about the connections that they 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.880 have within some of the NFL teams already, and it's 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.480 kind of cool to hear. Even from the Cowboys standpoint. 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:25.520 So many of the players have been like, yeah, you 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:27.639 know Jay Ferguson as a guy, I reach out too, 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:29.680 and and there's it's cool to know that in the 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.280 Cowboys locker room there's gentlemen that are really reaching out 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.480 to these guys and being encouraging and to them about 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.040 the process and letting them understand it. I thought that 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:38.800 was something that stood out to me, is there seems 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:42.720 like some real camaraderie that's here in this class as well. Yeah, 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:46.120 there's a there's a brotherhood amongst these guys. And again 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.360 they all kind of they know each other, like we're 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:50.760 talking to guys in the room and uh, you know, 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:52.840 they're like you said, there were players that say, Okay, hey, 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:54.560 I reached out to so and so on your team 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.400 to kind of give us some advice. But that's the 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.160 unique part about it, and what we're trying to do 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:01.280 is find those guys is that you not only you 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:03.680 gotta be good football players. You have all that, but 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.480 who fits into the culture, right, because the important part 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.760 of the successful teams is that they have a culture. 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.440 So uh, you know, you set that standard and you 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:13.280 you know, we we we get that feeling from guys 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.680 it's okay they would fit and you know those sort 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:17.960 that sort of information. Is there a different type of 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.520 guys guy that you guys target whenever it comes to that, 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:23.200 when it comes to the off the field and the 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:26.840 culture fit that you guys bring to the table. From 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:30.320 maybe the Jason Garrett days into the Mike McCarthy days, 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:32.440 has there been a switch on the type of personnel 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:35.200 that you look for? Not really? I mean, you know, 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:39.160 every system has type of players that they want. Um. 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.880 Our objective on the scouting side is to evaluate guys 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.640 regardless of the system, give them their value, and then 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.760 we see if they fit in. Yeah. Overall, when you 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:51.680 look at this draft class, what stands out to you 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:55.080 the most about some of those individuals that you've gotten 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.359 to talk to so far? Where do they rank in 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.920 terms of uh, kind of some of the classes that 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.600 you've had in the past. Um, you know, every year 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:04.719 it kind of changes and now you have those those 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:07.280 players that had the COVID year, they're a little bit older. 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:09.760 I think there are players that are older that are 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.360 now in the um, you know, up for the draft. 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:14.679 You know, there's some twenty four twenty five year old players. 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.560 So that's something that we take into consideration. But these 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:21.440 guys are also very cognizant of their own personal brand. 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:25.080 Uh So that's you know, it's a unique set of 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.039 circumstances that we have to kind of figure out that 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.080 the whole n IL And you know, players are getting 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.440 paid now in college and why do they stay, why 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.760 do they come out? And then how important is football 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.520 to them? Because you know, when I was coming out 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:41.039 way back in the day, you know, I got twenty 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:42.880 bucks the last me two weeks. Well, now they were 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.200 getting these uh you know, big money deals. So finding 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:48.680 out just how important football is to them and and 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:52.640 and being aware that they know about business. Yeah, you know, 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:54.679 I want to circle back to that in a couple 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.360 of moments. But while we do have Dane Bruckler on 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:01.240 the headset as well, we're adding a fourth person. You 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.600 were having some fun on Radio Row. It's Radio Row. 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:05.240 It's a little bit hectic, but we're glad to have 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.160 you on the show. Well, I want to circle back 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.920 to the nil. Does that make your job harder? Does 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.479 that make the scouting job harder? Because it's just another 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.440 added element to throw into the table. It's something else 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.880 you have to figure out that you have to dig into. 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:22.720 And everybody's motivations different. It's like the COVID year. It's 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:24.839 just another the COVID year. There were some guys that 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.520 did not play that year that you know, you go 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.000 into it saying, oh, well, we want guys to play. Well, 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.520 as you got further along, what were the reasoning you know, 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.039 excuse me, the reasons why you didn't And that gives 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.320 you another layer of the player. What were some of 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:39.920 the reasons that you still took Michael Parsons that year 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:41.919 whenever he came off of a COVID year that he 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.320 didn't play, well, you know his reasoning Big ten wasn't 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:45.680 going to play and then they said they were going 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:47.440 to play. I had made the decision. So they all 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.640 had these different, you know, environments that they had to 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.360 navigate through, and you want to hear the thought processes 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:54.800 of why they did it and then check out the 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:58.640 sincerity and dig and see if the information matches. Yeah, 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:02.240 you mentioned how there some older players in this draft class, 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.720 even from like offensive line, some of these dbs or 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:08.080 five year starters. How is that something that you guys 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:11.000 are looking at the experience of some of these players 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.960 that are deciding to stay longer and finish and kind 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.560 of perfect their craft in college. You look at it 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:18.640 both ways with that the number of snaps they've taken, 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:20.800 how long they've played, how many games they started. But 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:24.080 then you also look at it from a longevity term, 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.640 because when you sign a contract, there's a difference when 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:28.640 a guy's twenty two when a guy's twenty five, and 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.160 you start talking about second you know, second contracts and 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:34.200 things like that, all you know, pieces of information that 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:37.360 we throw into the mix. I'm really interested in how 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:42.240 you guys look at positional value, especially when stick tight 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.680 end for example, how much do you look at, you know, 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.120 say the past fifteen years tight ends drafted in the 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.040 first round, what that looks like compared to tight ends 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.880 drafted in the third round, fourth round. And do you 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:55.880 do you look at certain positions and say, you know what, 0:07:56.280 --> 0:08:00.000 we feel comfortable maybe waiting or is it just it's 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.240 a draft by draft basis where you know, you have 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.240 to really take each draft for what it is. To me, 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.640 it's draft by draft basis. But you've also got to 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.360 pay attention to the historical because that kind of gives 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.920 you a balance and you know, how you look at 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.240 and do things. I think, um, I really like to 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.280 look at You know, every team goes into the draft 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.160 with needs. Um, you look at your needs, you look 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.000 at the value, you look at the depth, and and 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:24.240 it kind of gives you an ideas to how to 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.720 play that. You know that that that that market. That's 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.600 interesting because is it different from team to team. Do 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.040 you have your own set history that you go back 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:36.839 on and you kind of rely on going back and saying, Okay, 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.280 maybe it didn't work out with this guy initially, maybe 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:43.400 the position value was a little bit skewed. Um. Yeah, 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:45.959 I think some of it's historical, but some of it 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:49.120 is Um the conditions that your face with at the time. 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:52.120 You know, we talk about the past, but we have 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.080 to win now. So you look at those trends and 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.480 you got to figure out how you get the best 0:08:56.520 --> 0:09:00.280 players at the right value for what you need. Looking 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:04.400 at this draft, the offensive line, the offensive tackle position 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.280 or the guard position. It seems kind of not then, 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.800 but less top heavy. There are some and some good 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.560 tackles in this draft. Doing what you did with Tyler 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.240 Smith last year, he was able. The versatility that he 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:19.120 showed being able to play garden and left tackle actually 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:21.959 saved you in a lot of instances. Is that something 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.880 that you guys are looking forward, looking forward, moving forward 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.160 is the fact that you know you want some versatility 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:29.679 from your offensive lineman. I think you have to have 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:34.280 that because there's not enough quality offensive lineman for thirty 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.079 two teams for everybody to have a solid offensive line. 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:39.320 So what you look for is versatility. You look for 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.880 guys that have the opportunity to grow and improve their 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:45.680 skill set. The college game is different from the NFL game, 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:47.920 So you want to get guys that come into the 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.440 situation and that can pick up the trends and do 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.720 the things and apply those techniques that they're being taught. 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:54.959 Because the college game in the NFL game is still different, 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:56.880 you want guys that can develop it. Do you see 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.079 any tackles? Have you seen any tackles that you think 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:00.920 you don't have to say the name. Have you seen 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.840 any tackles that you think do have the ability to 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.160 have some flex at guard or that you could move 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:07.840 to guard it? Maybe a center that could be a 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:09.960 guard also, yes, well, part of our deal, you know, 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:14.120 you look for athletic people. The most athletic linemen are 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:15.920 usually on the outside, and now do they have the 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.880 ability to move inside? And the process. The further you 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.240 move inside, the more information you got to consume and 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.679 you know, dissect. So you want to find out or 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.760 they athletic enough, but then can they handle the other 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:28.880 things when they go down inside? So you're looking for 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.680 those versatile guys. It's a little broad, But what's the 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:35.320 number one objective of this week for you and your staff? 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:37.680 It's you know, obviously you want to find out more 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.760 about these players, but if you're leaving Indianapolis, what's the 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:42.400 one thing you want to make sure that you have 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.760 accomplished as a group. I think you want to verify 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.000 the information that you already have. You want to confirm 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.640 that and then but I think we also I talked 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:53.920 to our group, and you know, we get our coaches involved. 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.839 We want to find our feelings about the guy, not 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:59.720 what somebody else has told us, but how to at 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.000 least from this experience and which guys do we want 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.360 to dig further on from this exposure, from the information 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:09.360 we already have. It's just kind of adding stuff to 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:11.160 make sure that we have the right guy for us. 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:14.080 It's the whole Tyler Smith situation. We went through it, 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.600 and we spent enough time with them to know maybe 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:21.000 people didn't, you know, realize what we realize. So you know, 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:24.120 we go through our process to say that's a Dallas cowboy, 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:25.959 and you know, we want to hit all the markers. 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.480 That's an important part about the draft. Like, that's one 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.520 thing that I'm learning myself is to block out other 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.680 people's opinions and really focus on what I see and 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:36.800 what I believe in the player and compiling all of 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:40.000 the information to come to a conclusion. So you're you're 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.760 just doing your due diligence. That's a big part of it. 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:45.280 I mean, that's why I enjoy talking to Dane, you know, 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:50.400 because this is an information deal. So people gather their 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:54.160 opinions that you see on you know, NFL networking, ESPN 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.960 or they're top well they're talking to people about players 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.480 and so that's how they formulate their deal. But they 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.240 don't have much information and we have to talk about 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:06.800 what's important for us. Every organization is different and they 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.440 have different elements and there's different you know, there's players 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:11.240 that can fit in in some spots and players that 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:15.040 can Is there an added element of this? This is 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:17.960 a draft and develop organization. They have been for quite 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:21.000 some time and it's been successful for quite some time 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:22.960 in that regard as well. But is there an added 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.520 element of the drafting has gone so well as of 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:30.040 late that at some point it won't hit that again? Well, 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:32.760 what helps you continue pushing to try and not let 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.600 that happen. Well, I think we're hoping that it continues 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:37.480 to go that way because we have a system that 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:39.720 we believe in. You know, I love the way that 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.480 our scouts go out on the road. They they're the 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.959 gems of their areas and they feel that importance and 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.920 value to the organization by approaching their job that way. 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:51.160 We have a way that we do things. You follow 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.240 that way and then you come to conclusion and then 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.760 not having an ego, because part of our process is 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.719 everybody's involved in it. Go from you know, September when 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.040 they go out until up until you know, the draft 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.480 meetings and everything else. So they have that input and 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:10.400 we feel like with that recipe that nobody's an expert. 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:14.120 I mean, if we were batten sixty percent, you know, 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:15.960 we'd be doing great, pretty good. We'll be doing pretty 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:20.920 like baseball players. So it's it's the collective process. Everybody 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:22.640 has a grade. They put their grade on. We don't 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.000 talk about the grade. And if there's variants, then it 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.440 the way I feel about it. There's variants, they're somewhere 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.520 in the middle, and that's where that grade. Usually you know, 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.280 you average them out and that's probably where that player is. 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.600 Because we value the input of everybody. You've been doing 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.600 this for so long now I'm really interested in how 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:42.520 what have you what's the biggest thing you have learned 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.400 since you started in this role compared to now that 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:49.600 you know, because obviously every year brings something different, you 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:53.480 learned the most important thing, most important aspect of an 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:57.200 evaluators to self evaluate and understand. Okay, maybe did we 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.880 get this wrong? Did I see this right? But what's 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:01.560 one thing? Maybe it's from when you started in this 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:06.240 role till now that you've really learned. Um, I've become 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.920 more and more willing to understand my biases, you know, 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:15.560 everybody has biases. There's you know, there's there's Uh, I 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:17.400 was a dB. I know it look like a nose guard, 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:20.000 but I was. I was a corner. And there are 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.080 certain ways that I was taught and learned the game 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:26.560 that I see somebody doing it and when I was coaching, 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:29.160 I wouldn't coach it that way, and so I would 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.600 have a bias. And I still have biases. There's just 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.840 certain things that I believe in. Now that's my bias. 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.280 And each individual person in our in our department, based 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.120 on where they came from, based on what they've done, 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:43.600 they have their biases. So recognizing that and you know, 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:47.320 understanding you know what biases you have and saying all right, 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:49.880 maybe I'm not right on this, and being able to 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.040 listen to everybody else and kind of figure it out. 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.440 I'm still going to have my principles, my beliefs, but 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:56.240 I know when I have a bias, I have a 0:14:56.320 --> 0:15:00.480 deal that, Um, there's a certain position and if you 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.160 play that position and you wear a towel, that's like 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:04.920 my bias. I'm like, no, you're supposed to you know, 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:06.280 it's not supposed to be coming out of you know, 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.520 you're supposed to be nasty. That's an initial bias. I 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.720 know it when I see it. I'll take ye interesting. 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.360 Are there any other biases you could share, because I'm 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:19.280 intrigued by that that first one. The first one was that, Yeah, 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:20.880 that was kind of out of the blue. I like it. 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:28.640 There's some technical things like, um, again, it's it's it's footwork. 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:32.240 I mean maybe because I have seen things a certain 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.400 way and I was taught football way back in the day. 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.000 It's leveraging angles, and so I look at the game 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:40.880 differently than somebody who might be you know, uh, you know, 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:43.560 maybe not as well versed and you know, being around 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:45.280 the game as long, but they're really good at their job. 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:47.320 They might not see what I see, or I might 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:51.520 not see what they see. I think that it there 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:55.600 are some things that uh, I won't I won't reveal. Right, Oh, 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.720 there's so many wheels turning right now, and I wish 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.640 I wish we could hear it would do kind of 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.440 along those same lines, but not necessarily exactly along the 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:06.600 same lines. This is a front office. This is a 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.640 staff that hasn't necessarily drafted undersized players in the path. 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.840 That's certain positions, most notably wide receiver. There are a 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.200 lot of really good wide receivers in this draft class. 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:19.200 Is that something that is still on the table moving forward. 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.360 Is that something that the staff would look into if 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.440 the right guy fit. Well, yeah, it's it's if the 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.800 right guy fits. I mean, you build your team football, 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:28.960 you know, this game of angles and leverage, and you 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.920 were all looking for the you know, that's why we're 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:33.520 at the combine. We want to measure and want to 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:35.280 see how tall they are, how long their arms are, 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.080 how fast they run. That builds a profile, but then 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:41.520 you know, you have to figure out what you're looking for, 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.760 but not just for that situation, but for the long run. 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:48.560 So typically the bigger, longer, more athletic players they play 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:52.440 in the league. There's more of those guys. But the 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.400 game has become so different now it's spread out, it's 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.240 played latterly and vertically, is not as much you know, 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:00.840 run games, So you have to look differently and you 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.520 kind of assess the trends and kind of figure out, 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:05.720 you know, what fits what you do. And you also 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.040 have to have which I think we do have as 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:11.240 a coaching staff that's willing to use the abilities of 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.840 the guys that you pick because it's you know, there's 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.320 you hear about systems. Well, if there's a system and 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:19.920 you're trying to fit pieces into a system, well then 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:23.200 you eliminate guys. So you really want to find people 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.800 that have in our coaching staff and you know, the 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.440 offensive and the defensive side have done a great job 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:32.320 of finding that. You using the players talents you know 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.960 to be able to contribute and to contribute early. That's 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:36.919 why we draft and develop. We tell them what the 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:40.280 guys can do and what the ears are concerned are. 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:42.639 We've got to be exact on that so the coaches 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:44.520 know when they put the guy in, we at least 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.360 know we're getting this. And to your point, I from 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:50.040 the dB position, it really feels like a lot of 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:54.320 these these defensive backs are they have the ability to press. 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.320 It seems like it's an emphasis on press. Do you 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.560 is that Do you think that's a result of just 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:01.480 how they is being played on the offensive side of 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:05.200 the ball. Also to the length of cornerbacks. Now, from 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:08.080 my understanding, like being under six foot was well, being 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.320 under six foot wasn't a huge deal, but these guys 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.360 are like six too, lengthy, long arms and it's it's 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.760 almost like a norm. Now, what what do you think 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.919 about that? That change in the cornerback position. You know, 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.120 I think college football is so spread out and it's 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.440 played so differently, and you know, you have all these 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.040 different schemes. That's the hurry up pace. There's a lot 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.199 of different things that you have to be able to 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:30.840 slow the offense down. So how can I slow the 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.960 offense down by delaying releases? By doing certain things? That's 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:37.320 why the corners you see longer corners and the athletes now, 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.280 you know, back in the day, you'd see a six 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.000 foot corner and you would say they can't bend, they 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:45.760 can't change direction. Yeah, I mean it's it's incredible the event, 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:49.760 like it's seeing twenty pounders run under five flat. You know, 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:52.159 there's the chemicals in the milk or something. Also what 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:54.399 it is, that's what it is. Yeah, it's the almond milk. 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.880 You know, everybody drinking almond milk, oat milking everything. Now, 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:02.280 I'm fascinated with how you how do you handle outliers? 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.440 You know, how do you brace being the ultimate outlier? 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:09.240 With this size We've never seen h the status the 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:11.280 last twenty five years have been three hundred and one 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:14.399 quarterbacks drafted two we're under six foot an under two 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:16.800 hundre pounds, so we're talking about complete outlier. But even 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.800 at okay, Peter Scronsky, look the left tackle who has 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.480 great left tackle tape, but his arms are probably gonna 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:24.760 be thirty two and a quarter thirty two and a half. 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:28.600 So how do you handle those outliers where he doesn't 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.560 Not just those two players specifically, but maybe a player 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:33.960 doesn't hit the exact arm length that you're looking for, 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:36.960 or you know, the testing might not match up perfectly, 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:38.880 but you know what, the tape shows a darn good 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.400 football player. How do how do you balance that? I mean, 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:43.080 you look at the production. You got to throw it 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:45.800 all into the mix, and there's you know, reasons why 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:50.560 guys performed. There's um you know if if if like 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:54.080 my father, you say just because said he would say 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:58.240 that blind people hear better. Okay, So depending upon your deficiencies, 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.440 you develop some way to overcome and to be able 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:04.280 to do what your job is. Um it's like looking 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:07.159 at every situation, looking at guys and trying to go 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:09.480 through the steps of you know, how did this guy 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:11.680 achieve this? Who was he playing against? Da da dah 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:14.399 and there's some people that are just outliers. We're playing 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.239 the percentage game, but there are some people that are 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:21.080 outside of that percentage and then you have to value that. Yeah, overall, 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:24.760 I need you to just cancel the rest of your day. 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.400 Well you're not, You're you don't need anything else to do. 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:29.199 You're just gonna sit here and talk football with us 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:33.920 for the next hour. Is great to do, Yeah, Will Wills, Yeah, yeah, 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:37.080 you would probably make that switch any day. Will's gotta go. 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:38.919 Thank you so much for taking some time. This was 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:41.160 awesome as always, Good luck the rest of the way. 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:44.680 Go find some good, good players. There he goes, and 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:46.840 there's Will McClay. Will be back with more of the 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:51.000 Draft show right after this. Hey Cowboys fans, if you're 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:53.480 looking for a full time or part time job, check 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:56.640 out Liberty Tax, proud partner of the Dallas Cowboys. 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He doesn't always 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:22.040 want to really give out a ton of information, but 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:24.000 he gave out some really good stuff there. I really 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:27.919 value his perspective, just you know, the position that he's in, 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:32.440 the experience that he has, you know, because he's player, coach, evaluator, 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:36.840 like he's he brings a really diverse background to his job. 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:40.200 And you know, I was just asking him how how 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:42.720 his job has evolved over time and what he looks 0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:45.320 for and you know, how he handles outliers all those days. 0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:47.600 It was just a really fun conversation. What do you think? 0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:51.360 Oh yeah, I mean it was dope hearing him talk 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:55.160 about just the process. Man, It's so it sounds so 0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:59.080 thorough and just step by step by step by step, 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:01.600 and I was so just liked hearing him talk about 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:04.800 how the Cowboys want to make their own decisions, they 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:07.720 want to make form their own opinions. Like, yeah, we 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:10.159 value some of the information that's been given. But he 0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:12.160 talked about coming to the combine. He was like, we're 0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:15.720 trying to put get definitive information, you know, based off 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:18.960 of the stuff that we've been thinking or searching or researching. 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:21.439 So I just I enjoyed hearing about kind of the 0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:26.600 process and barnacles. It's one of the well and like 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:29.440 I said, Will McClay is really really good. It's saying 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:31.800 a lot but saying a little, and that's something he's 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:33.760 done throughout his Career's pardon why he's good at his 0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:37.000 job throughout his career. One thing he did say there 0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:39.040 that I've never really heard of, but you can see 0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:42.520 a trend with was when asked about your outlier question, 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:44.000 I love that question, by the way, that's a good 0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:48.479 question when weighing the outliner liars. He said, we value 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:50.600 the production right off the bat. That was his first 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:54.199 couple of words, production, production, production. You can see that 0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:57.399 with the trends that they've drafted with throughout the years. 0:24:57.440 --> 0:25:00.760 You talk about guys like treyvon Dix, Tyler Smith, Micah Parsons. 0:25:01.160 --> 0:25:03.920 It's important to point out that production doesn't always just 0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:07.120 mean what's in the stat sheet. Production can be you know, 0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:10.959 watching him on the field and seeing, Okay, he's creating 0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:13.720 disruption out there, or you know, he's getting the job 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:16.080 done it. Productions not just oh, did he have at 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:18.840 least ten sacks? You know, so when he said, I 0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:21.520 do believe when he said production, it wasn't just speaking 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:23.920 of just the stat sheet for sure. And it looks 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:27.840 like there's a lot of times that Cowboys Nation will 0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:29.720 look at and say traits or what they look to 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:33.000 the most, and traits are a teams you could say 0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:34.960 that about you look at traits, that that's always going 0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:36.439 to be the case, or else we wouldn't have even 0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:40.400 asked the conversation about shorter players and undersized players. But 0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:43.639 the production, the way that he sounded like he was 0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:46.600 weighing it is that the production outweighs the traits, which 0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:50.560 is an interesting thought process, something something that not a 0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:53.160 ton of teams do, I mean, but some teams certainly 0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:56.520 rely on it. Well and I'm okay Tyler Smith. Last year, 0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:59.879 UM talk about the traits. He certainly had those traits 0:25:59.880 --> 0:26:02.359 that you're looking for, UM, But you know, it was 0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:03.800 a little bit up and down, but you look at 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:05.439 the production, you look at the good things that he did, 0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:07.000 and you're like, you know what, we're willing to bet 0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:09.440 on that that with some added coaching, he's going to 0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:12.119 get better and better and better. And so it was 0:26:12.160 --> 0:26:14.040 also interesting, you know, kind of alluded to this, but 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:17.560 how what's good for them might not be good for 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:20.960 somebody else. And you know, like they're drafting for one team, 0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:25.280 one culture, one roster. The way things are, it's going 0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:27.440 to be different than what another team's looking for. And so, 0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:30.760 you know, we I think we seem to in the 0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:33.800 draft space. You know, Okay, well, this guy's clearly the 0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:37.120 top receiver or this guy's you know, it's this, there's 0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:39.119 no such thing as a consensus when it comes to 0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:41.080 the draft, and there's no such thing because every team 0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:43.800 is looking for something a little bit different that suits them, 0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:46.679 that that that fits their strengths. So you know, I 0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:49.040 think that he that's something I think he made sure 0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:50.919 to point out. Yeah, and he talked about even the 0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:53.359 locker room fit, like we talked about it before we 0:26:53.440 --> 0:26:56.720 even started recording, just how important the locker room fit 0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:59.439 is too. Is this gentleman's personality going to fit in 0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:01.560 with the guys we already have here. You don't want 0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:04.600 someone coming in disrupting, you know, some of the chemistry 0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:07.400 that you have. So we were talking about just how 0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:09.800 you kind of pay attention to how they interact with 0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:12.280 their peers, how they are at the podium when they're here. 0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:14.800 He also mentioned NIL and just how that that was 0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:17.320 super dope, because well, I hopefully we can get into that, 0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:20.800 but yeah, I would. I wanted you guys as thoughts on, like, 0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:23.840 I'm still learning about NIL and all that stuff, But 0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:27.320 how do you think it's affected how the scouting process 0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:30.360 goes and even the drafting process goes. It's even more 0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:32.480 so like the transfer portal, you know, because I think 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:36.120 it was you know, ten years ago. If a guy 0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:38.840 couldn't was blocked on the depth chart and he transferred, 0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:41.320 it's like, oh, does this guy is afraid of competition? 0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:44.000 You know, Like, but now it's like, Okay, I don't 0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:46.680 blame him for going to go to a better situation 0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:48.240 where he could get on the field show what he 0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:52.040 can do. And so yeah, the mindset has really changed 0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:55.040 because of the way the college football game has changed. 0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:58.040 You know, either you evolve with things or you're gonna 0:27:58.040 --> 0:28:02.000 be stuck playing catchup because in the college game, very 0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:04.399 different in the NFL game, and there's so many different 0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:06.360 things you have to weigh. NA L just another one, 0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:10.320 and everybody is still learning the NIL. The transfer portal, 0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:13.480 whether it's collegiately or at the professional level as well. 0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:16.080 You talk about the adjustments that need to be made there, 0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:19.600 not everybody will adjust the same. Everybody's gonna have a 0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:21.760 different opinion on how to hit it at least at first, 0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:23.680 and then it's a copy to cat league. Everybody will 0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:26.040 kind of come together on a consensus based off of 0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:28.160 what you've seen the last couple of years. For the Cowboys, 0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:29.600 do you feel like they're in a good spot to 0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:32.800 make those adjustments compared to the rest of the thirty 0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:35.200 one out of the teams? Yeah, and I think that 0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:37.680 they Okay, you know, we've talked about it in the past, 0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:40.480 how the Cowboys, you know, like they're not gonna draft 0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:42.920 a defensive tackle in the first round or we've talked 0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:45.719 about how you know, there's certain trends, whether it be 0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:47.520 they're not going to draft a small school player, and 0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:49.560 I think it's important to pay attention to those trends. 0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:53.000 But it's also important to, you know, understand that they 0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:54.600 just they want to get better and they want to 0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:56.800 get the players that are going to best fit this 0:28:56.880 --> 0:28:59.520 team and best get them make them a better roster. 0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:02.720 So it's important to have an open mind to who 0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:04.520 they might go after, especially in a draft like this 0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:07.800 where you know you're again picking later in the first round. 0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:10.840 We don't know how those first twenty five picks you're 0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:14.760 gonna play out. You know, last year it's you know, 0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:19.120 Tyler Smith would have been different outlook if a certain 0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:21.760 you know, say Zion Johnson is still available or you know, 0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:24.280 how does that change things? And so you know, I 0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:26.080 think it's important just have an open mind to how 0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:28.680 they might be attacking this specific draft. Yeah, and when 0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:31.120 you talk about, well, the last couple of years, I 0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:33.760 do feel like in the first round they've taken best 0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:37.160 player available for them. Yeah, Like when you mentioned Tyler Smith, 0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:39.600 like he mentioned here Will McClay, like a lot of 0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:42.880 people had different opinions about Tyler Smith, but they felt 0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:45.520 like this guy is a good get fit for us 0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:48.120 and it actually paid dividends for them because of his 0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:50.800 flex that they felt like he had that we I know, 0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:54.320 I wasn't too sure about myself, so so so best 0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:57.720 to your point, best player available to us may not 0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:00.680 be best player available to them. Yeah, and you know 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:03.680 a lot of that comes from the interviews, the meetings, 0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:06.160 you know, understanding, hey, is this guy really going to 0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:08.800 put everything he has into being the best version of himself, 0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:11.200 because you know, if you don't believe that with Tyler Smith, 0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:13.360 you can't draft him. If you don't think that he's 0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:16.360 gonna work and put his best foot forward and try 0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:18.320 to get every ounce of talent that he has out 0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:21.280 of that out of his ability, you just can't draft 0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:24.640 him in the first round. But obviously through their interactions, 0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:27.479 through their meetings and interviews, you know they felt like 0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:30.000 he would do that, and that's something that you know, 0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:32.360 the interview process is different from team to team with 0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:36.000 the questions they ask or you know, how they feel 0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:38.280 about the players. So you know, that's just another wrinkle 0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:41.520 to the whole evaluation process that makes it a very 0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:43.920 inexact science and different from team to team. Oh and 0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:47.920 it makes the interviews that much more imperative to the 0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:51.160 one on one the scouting department getting to sit down 0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:52.960 and Will McClay getting to sit down and talk with 0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:55.040 him up until eleven o'clock at night, like he said 0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:57.840 a little bit earlier. With that being said, there are 0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:01.160 some confirmed Cowboys meetings that we have had throughout the 0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:03.720 interview process. This week, I'll name some of these guys. 0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:06.920 Felix on your DK Zama from Kansas State. Practicing, I 0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:09.840 have been practicing. Thank you, Derek Call out of Alabama 0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:13.479 linebacker day on Henley, Oh, Auburn, I'm meant to say Alabama. 0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:15.880 I mean, I'm meant to say Auburn dayon Henley out 0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:18.880 of Washington State to marve An over Shown out of Texas, 0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:23.200 Emmanuel Forbes from Mississippi State, Joey Porter Junior from Penn State, TREYE. 0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:25.880 Dean from Florida, J. L. Skinner from Boise State, and 0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:31.080 Israel Abanconda got it again running back. So what do 0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:32.800 you think about this short list of names? This is 0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:35.480 still very This is what one, two, three, four five. 0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:37.720 That's like seven or eight names out of eighty or 0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:43.000 not eighty forty five formals and countless informal interviews. So 0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:44.920 do you think interesting names there? I mean, we we've 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:48.720 talked about Emmanuel Forbes quite a bit before, but you know, 0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:50.800 he's he's a guy that with that body type you 0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:53.920 just every teams to you you looking at a little bit differently. 0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:57.120 We'll see what he officially weighs in at here at 0:31:57.120 --> 0:31:59.560 the combine, but probably we're talking under seven hundred and 0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:01.840 seventy five pounds for a guy that's gonna be six 0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:04.520 one and a half six two. Um, you know, that's 0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:09.160 that's we talk about outliers, talk about certain thresholds that 0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:12.120 each team wants. How our team's gonna look at that. Um. 0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:14.640 So with Emmanuel Forbes, when you sit down an interview him, 0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:17.640 just finding out, hey, is this just your body type? 0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:19.880 Is this you know, trying to get a better understanding 0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:23.120 of uh, you know, the growth potential there. So, Um, 0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:26.320 that's interesting. Um, a couple of first round potential first 0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:29.960 rounders on there. Joey Porter Junior. Um, you know, he's 0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:32.280 he's a really interesting corner who I don't think it's 0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:34.640 out of the top twenty twenty four picks, but you 0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:37.960 never know. He's he's a guy that is a true 0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:41.240 press corner. He wants to get up, park his chin 0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:45.880 right underneath, uh, the receiver, and he's gonna make contact 0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:48.720 and he's gonna ride that receiver up and down the field. So, um, 0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:51.240 a certain type of corner compared to maybe some of 0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:54.360 the other guys who maybe offer a little more versatility. Yeah, 0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:57.400 and with with the all the visits they had, it 0:32:57.520 --> 0:33:01.320 looks like there's DB's a thing. DV in general is 0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:03.800 a thing I mean there's five on that list alone, now, 0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:06.840 three corners, two safeties, jail Skinner being one of them. 0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:09.960 I was actually state, you know, you know, cowboys got 0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:13.600 the boys state fever. That's the thing with Jail Skinner. 0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:17.920 I've never seen a safety with an identical body type 0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:22.000 as aj Green the receiver. Yeah, it's it's it's uncanny. 0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:25.320 It's identical. It's the sixty four or sixty three and 0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:29.280 three quarters whatever it is. Um, but how lean he is, 0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:32.240 like through his legs like there, he doesn't have calves. 0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:37.080 It's it's it's I don't know, sorry, but it's just 0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:39.960 it's just uncanny. How he's identical body type. So sorry, 0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:42.640 cutting no, no, no, I was. That's just one of 0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:45.200 the things that I definitely noticed, like the Cowboys clearly 0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:47.520 understand that they need to get more d I was 0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:50.800 surprised by, not surprised, but the d Some of the 0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:54.440 d n's I'm not I'm not saying. I'm not saying 0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:56.120 I don't think that d N is not like a 0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:58.640 need or anything like that. But some of these guys 0:33:58.640 --> 0:34:01.400 are gentleman, like, you know, I'm not gonna want to 0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:05.520 mess up his name. Derek call Byron young those. I'm like, okay, 0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:10.000 can you say Felix. I'm say Felix, Yeah, I got you, 0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:13.879 Felix on Udique Zama. So I'm at the practice. That's 0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:15.440 a good That's a good thing though, because you look 0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:18.399 at edge rusher, what does the future look like for 0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:21.879 a DeMarcus Lawrence Dorance Armstrong is going into a final year. 0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:23.920 They can maybe extend him if they really wanted to. 0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:28.360 You've got Mica that contracts coming up to So drafting 0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:31.480 edge rusher isn't out of the question. It's probably not 0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:34.239 an overall arching need. It's not gonna be a first round, 0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:37.320 certain round pick, but if there's a quality edge rusher, 0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:38.960 maybe middle of the draft. And all three of those 0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:42.000 names aren't first round names for the most part, probably not. 0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:44.400 But you know, ed drusher is always weird because you 0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:48.239 know it's a premium position. Sure, so there's no such 0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:50.640 thing as having too many of those guys, especially with 0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:53.360 the way that you know defenses work these days in 0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:56.160 sub and you just want to get guys, get get 0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:58.200 guys that can get get to the quarterback on the field. 0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:01.160 You know, nobody knows that better than Cowboys with Michael Parsons, 0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:04.520 who is not your traditional uh ed rusher, but you 0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:06.279 know what, he can get to the quarterback and so 0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:08.040 you figure out a way to make that happen. And 0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:11.400 so if they find another guy like that, a quarterback hunter, uh, 0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:13.680 you know, I think you, you know, you at least 0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:17.160 consider that in the first round, because I think it's important. 0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:19.880 We don't, you know, you don't narrow your focus in 0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:21.279 the first round and say, you know, we have to 0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:23.879 get a corner guy. That's where this team has gotten 0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:29.000 in trouble in the past. You know, Tacos, That's where 0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:30.600 this team has gotten in trouble in the past, where 0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:32.759 they say, we need to get exposition here in the 0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:35.600 first round. Oh man, you have to keep your you know, 0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:37.280 you have to make sure you're drafting the best player 0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:39.680 at an impact position that's going to help your roster. 0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:42.560 In fairness, I really do feel like since Mike McCarthy 0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:45.520 has been here that that is kind of fizzled out. 0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:49.560 Also too, Dan Quinn, like you can see his influence 0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:52.239 on on these past few drafts. Now, I will ask you, guys, 0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:55.440 so DT is something that I definitely feel like is 0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:59.399 a is a need given the fact that you've seen 0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:02.080 with the Cowboys. I feel like they've drafted guys that 0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:05.520 had pass rush ability on also a DIGGI zuas like 0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:09.800 those gentlemen that have passed rushability Nevill Gallimore. But having 0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:12.800 Hankins come in this past year and be a true 0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:16.839 nose seemed to really help this defensive line. Not sure 0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:19.879 if he's coming back next season. Is there a dt 0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:23.600 that you're like, you know what, man, that is maybe 0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:27.960 that you're okay with. Besides you know the obvious that 0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:29.840 you're okay with maybe at a first round because we 0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:32.399 didn't get to talk to him about that, but it 0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:36.239 was clear that Hankins as a nose and just having 0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:38.279 a true nose made a huge difference in the run 0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:41.560 defense and just the edge rushers being free, being able 0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:44.000 to stunt all that stuff. So how do you guys 0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:46.200 feel about that? Are you talking about a true nose 0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:49.160 or any type of defensive I mean, when we talk 0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:51.920 about the last few drafts and the way that they've drafted, 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.040 I feel like they've drafted guys at the d D 0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:58.000 position that had that could get up field, but that 0:36:58.480 --> 0:37:02.160 has not helped sir of them and run defense. So 0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:05.680 do you shift your thinking as a coordinator or and 0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:08.279 you're scouting like, hey, we love guys that like to 0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:11.719 rush the passer from that position, but it's hurting our 0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:15.839 run defense. Do you now convert to we have enough 0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:18.440 edge rushers or we're gonna put stock into edge rushers 0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:21.000 and we're gonna really get some gentlemen in here that 0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:24.880 can clog up this middle of this defense. And I 0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:27.680 think that it's a great question. I think it's ideally 0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:29.200 you try to find the guys that can help you 0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:31.920 in both areas. You know, the interchangeable like if you 0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:33.719 want to kick him inside, play him as a as 0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:36.200 a nose or a one. Uh, you know he can 0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:39.160 handle a double team, but you also want to be 0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:41.480 able to keep him if you want him over the 0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:43.600 B gap and you want him getting up field, he 0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:47.000 can attack gaps. So you know a guy like Keanu 0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:50.279 Benton from Wisconsin and if you've watched him, yeah, yeah, 0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:52.080 he's a he's a good player who he was a 0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:55.040 nose at Wisconsin. But you feel like there's pass rush 0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:57.600 potential there. So I think ideally for a team like this, 0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:01.359 that should be the you know who, you're who, you're 0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:04.719 gunning for, the guys that could play either role. I 0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:07.920 completely agree with that, because that's what dan Quinn has shown. 0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:10.040 I mean, he's basically like, give me a guy, I'm 0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:12.080 gonna make him work. I'm gonna make it work. The 0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:14.760 only place that that hasn't necessarily happened is the interior 0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:18.000 of the defensive line. I'm saying, and it's not because 0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:21.240 the Nevil Gallimos of the world aren't the best players. 0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:23.640 It just might not fit what they're trying to do 0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:26.880 with the interchangeability, So versatility could work. Nevil Gallimore is 0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:28.680 not gonna be a one tech. He's not gonna line 0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:30.360 up on the nose. He's not gonna have that ability. 0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:32.560 Oh say, dig Zoo as great as a pass rusher 0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:34.080 as a three tech, but he's also not gonna be 0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:37.359 a nose Go get you a guy who's got that versatility, 0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:39.080 but maybe was with it a little bit more of 0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:42.320 a nose tackle background. Because who made the biggest impact 0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:46.160 on the run defense this year. Jonathan Hankins, big Furley 0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:48.640 nose tackle. He was only a nose tackle, but he's 0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:51.279 the one that really made the biggest impact throughout the season. Well, 0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:54.000 if they want to know more about um Kenn Benton, 0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:57.000 they just need to go call up Jake first, and 0:38:57.320 --> 0:38:59.120 they were they were roommates for a little bit there, 0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:03.799 mentioned going up Againstian practice and how they talk and 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:08.000 Iron Sharpen's iron. That Wisconsin offensive line, obviously is they're 0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:10.440 known for their offensive line. So for Keano to be 0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:12.960 going toe to toe with them, I think helping improved 0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:16.000 his game. He was a lot smaller than what I 0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:17.960 thought he was going to be. No small guy. Yeah, 0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:23.360 but when he was at the podium, he plays don't 0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:26.400 get me, he just take her favorite player. It was 0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:31.080 like the first but he just he I just expected 0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:34.120 to see this like early human. And he's he's pretty 0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:37.279 lean to be as big as he is. He's got 0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:39.319 a he's got a big body, but he's he's not 0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:41.600 like three. He's not Mozzi Smith, who's you know, three 0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.960 thirty three, three thy five. He's more three fifteen. Um. 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:47.680 He might even slim down even more here too, so 0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:50.960 he can run better. Um. So yeah, well I don't Yeah, 0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:52.399 I guess he did measure this morning, but I haven't 0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:54.920 seen an official uh wait for him yet. What do 0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:57.000 you think about Massy Smith's fit. I know we talked 0:39:57.000 --> 0:39:58.840 a little bit about him yesterday, but you think about 0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:03.200 the versatility between a one in the three both potentially. Yeah. 0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:06.520 I mean he's not just a strictly a stocky plugger. 0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:09.000 You know you're not, but that's what he does best 0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:11.479 in terms of taking on doubles, and he's so good 0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:14.399 with his leverage the way he understands it. He like 0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:19.680 every player has a level of play strength or power, MASI, 0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:25.160 Smith accesses his power better than most players in this draft. 0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:28.880 Having the understanding of your body and how to access 0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:32.160 that power to maximize it. He's so good at that. 0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:35.160 So um yeah, I think that that's what makes Mozy 0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:37.719 a potential first round picking this draft. Now, this is 0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:40.600 a second great day. We've talked about Smith, and everything 0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:43.960 you're saying is just blinking light to me. I mean, 0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:46.400 I know it's early. I know it's early, but that 0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:49.000 just sounds like a fit. I don't know if it's 0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:51.279 the fit of twenty six. We have a long way 0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:52.839 to go up until that, but at least in the 0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:55.120 early couple days. I think a lot of this first one. 0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:57.000 I think a lot of teams are thinking that way too, though, 0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:00.799 you know, to add a maybe not the last year's player, 0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:02.719 but then I had someone that you're just gonna plug in. 0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:06.680 It's gonna help everybody else in that front seven. You're 0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:09.879 gonna help your run defense from day one. So yeah, 0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.400 I do think there'll be several teams looking at that 0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:14.879 in that late one early two window and saying, hey, 0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:17.839 maybe not the sexiest pick, but and he's gonna make 0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:21.279 us a better team. Yeah, And Carl Brooks from Bowling Green. 0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:24.600 It's also a guy that has some versatility. They used 0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:26.839 him on the outside and used him, they pushed him 0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:30.080 into the inside. Now I do feel like, not by 0:41:30.080 --> 0:41:33.640 the way, the biggest combined snumb this year. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, 0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:37.240 he didn't get snubbed, didn't get in. Yeah, it doesn't 0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:40.200 mean he won't get drafted, but but it was a 0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:43.160 big snub. Yeah. Like I guess I was actually looking 0:41:43.200 --> 0:41:45.600 for him. But he's hard to get hands on as well. 0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:47.359 And I think he is also a guy that has 0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:50.240 some pass run. He can develop into a better pass rusher, 0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:52.560 but he has some nos ability and you can move 0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:54.200 him across the line. I thought he was a guy 0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:55.600 that maybe you can keep your eye out for him. 0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:58.840 Now he's only three oh five, which is not tiny, 0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:01.720 but with him being out used on the outside and stuff, 0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:03.000 I think that has to do with a size. So 0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:05.480 I guess it depends on what a team wants from him. 0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:07.239 But I was just saying, when you talk about a 0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:10.160 versatile you know DT that maybe can do that as well. 0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:12.520 Maybe you know Brian brought us is listening to this 0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:15.719 and he's just thinking so many harsh things to us 0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:18.399 right now about position flex. We're not talking about position flex, 0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:23.880 about versatility, Brian y all right, tax season can be 0:42:23.920 --> 0:42:25.960 more stressful than the last second. Hell Mary, with the 0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:29.080 game on the line, overcome your taxiety today with Liberty Tax, 0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:31.880 a proud partner of the Dallas Cowboys. Book an appointment 0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:35.279 at Liberty tax dot com slash Cowboys. 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They come to They come to Northeast Ohio. 0:45:09.880 --> 0:45:12.319 So I'll get a chance. It's just not a state 0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:17.080 that's true. It's I'll tell you what. I was fascinated 0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:20.560 the first time ever. Uh saw that stadium with just 0:45:20.600 --> 0:45:23.560 dirting in it. Yeah, oh my wow. Like that's the 0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:26.600 operations people there. Man. They do some big time work 0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:31.680 that is wild, like the monster cards awesome. Yeah, I 0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:33.839 want to go to there. That'd be fun. They had 0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:36.239 like motocross there last week, big event, and then they 0:45:36.280 --> 0:45:39.359 had the they have monster trucks all the time. Take 0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:42.719 some headphones or your plugs just case, because it's it's 0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:45.799 that bad. It's fun. We took my six year old 0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:49.600 and he cried, oh no, that's what I'm gonna do. 0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:51.560 As soon as we're done with this segment because it's 0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.280 our last segment here for the Draft show at the Combine, 0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:56.680 Dane Brugler I used to Morris said, I'm Kyle Yeomen's 0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:58.680 let's wrap up with a little bit of twitter. On 0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:03.640 the twenty Twitter Twitter, Brandon said, who is one prospect 0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:07.080 that you think the Cowboys would regret passing on in 0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:11.200 the first round? I know, again super early. However, there's 0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:14.280 some names there that have been mentioned kind of thrown 0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:16.239 into the mix. Is there's one that sticks out that 0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:18.960 they could pass on and that that would regret. I 0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:22.160 think the obvious name is Bijean. Yeah, I mean that's uh, 0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:25.359 that's one of those realistic you could see him being 0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:28.040 there and you could see them passing um and then 0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:31.560 you could realistically see Bijeon having a uh, you know, 0:46:31.640 --> 0:46:34.840 fifteen hundred yard rushing season as a rookie. And I 0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:38.240 mean that that seems like the most obvious name there. Um, 0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:45.080 who's another less obvious name? Maybe, um, one of these receivers, 0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:51.160 reiver Jordan Addison, maybe you know, doesn't give you the size, 0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:53.440 but man, he can get open, he can he can 0:46:53.480 --> 0:46:56.040 make plays for you. So what about one of these 0:46:56.040 --> 0:47:00.279 tight ends telling you, man, I don't know, but I 0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:03.120 don't know about but I don't know wide receiver. When 0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:06.560 you mentioned the size thing and stuff like that. I 0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:08.800 think some of these speedy guys, like even like a 0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:11.720 Jalen Hyatt, who I think he's gonna put the burners 0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:14.200 on plenty of times in this league and we might 0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:16.280 look back and be like, dang, because he can just get, 0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:18.239 he can just run past people. We can just get. 0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:21.640 And vertical verticality is like we see it with the Chiefs. 0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:25.479 Like teams that can play vertical, they're they're flying past 0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:28.000 these dvs. It makes a different speed is something that 0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:31.080 people want. So if they pass up on a speedy receiver, 0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:33.960 I think that that would make me send. Did you 0:47:34.040 --> 0:47:36.759 like Will's answer to that question the way that he 0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:39.680 outlined it? It kind of felt like he kind of 0:47:39.680 --> 0:47:42.640 went around it a little bit, and I expected him 0:47:42.680 --> 0:47:44.799 to do so. Sure, I asked the question just to 0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:46.680 throw it out there. Maybe he'd give us a little nugget, 0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:49.680 but it kind of felt like he didn't want to address, Yes, 0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:52.240 we will draft it if it's the right guy. Didn't 0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:54.600 really sound like we didn't want touch word receiver like this. 0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:59.719 People was not falling for it well, talking about like 0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:02.799 tight ends for example, like how do you you know 0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:06.160 talking to Will about and asking about first round tight 0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:09.520 ends waiting on tight ends, UM, it's it's a really 0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:13.520 interesting philosophy because this is a team that, um the 0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:18.399 last first round tight end was Matt ninety eight, so uh, 0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:21.439 you know, and the last tight end they drafted top 0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:25.040 fifty was Gavin Escobar over ten years ago, so you know, 0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:27.640 it's it's a position they like to wait on. We've 0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:29.520 seen it time and time again the last few years. 0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:32.319 So and they've had decent you know, I think Dalton 0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:35.240 Schultz and you know what he's brought to the team, 0:48:35.239 --> 0:48:37.960 and so it's not like they've totally struck out doing 0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:42.120 with that mindset. But it'll be interesting if one, you know, 0:48:42.200 --> 0:48:44.040 going back to the original question about where they going 0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:47.560 to regret passing it if their top tight end, whoever 0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:49.440 that may be, whether it's Michael may or whether it's 0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:53.239 Dalton Kinka, Luke Musgrave, Darnel, whoever is their top tight end. 0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:56.719 If he's there, if then in the first round, that 0:48:56.840 --> 0:48:58.920 will be awfully tempting to go ahead and just take 0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:00.879 him right there. But you know, it could be something 0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:03.480 they end up regretting if they pass. I wanted to 0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:05.719 ask you guys, since we're talking about tight end. He 0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:09.480 got two two tight ends right now, right now and 0:49:10.040 --> 0:49:14.840 Um and Jake Ferguson that both have the receiving qualities 0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:17.240 kind of the you know, like they both are blocked. 0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:20.440 They're both better at blocking now. But do you put 0:49:20.480 --> 0:49:23.920 a just appeer blocking tight end or a guy that 0:49:24.000 --> 0:49:26.040 is specialized in that. Do you mix it up or 0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:27.759 do you want to you think that they're going to 0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:30.000 continue to go the route of we kind of want 0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:32.680 a guy with some of that elusiveness, that receiving quality 0:49:32.719 --> 0:49:34.880 type stuff, or are they going to be in a 0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:37.279 place to where they're more like maybe when we want 0:49:37.320 --> 0:49:40.080 a guy more like a Sean McCune who came in 0:49:40.120 --> 0:49:42.920 and it's just really active in the blocking game. We 0:49:43.000 --> 0:49:45.680 talk about Mike McCarthy talking about I want to run 0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:47.160 the ball. I want to run the damn ball, and 0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:52.359 he loves tight ends four plus guys. He loves those 0:49:52.400 --> 0:49:54.319 types of guys on your football. So I wonder if 0:49:54.360 --> 0:49:56.840 that plays a role in whether you go for a 0:49:56.920 --> 0:50:01.880 guy like Kincaid a Musgrade instead of a concase because 0:50:01.920 --> 0:50:05.520 of the block in Darnel Washington, Washington. But and then 0:50:05.640 --> 0:50:08.880 the question becomes, Okay, is the value there where we're 0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:13.120 drafting a sixth offensive lineman? And it depends because every 0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:16.359 team is different. Exactly exactly this scheme and the way 0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:18.279 that it's being talked about, and just kind of some 0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:20.280 of the things that Mike McCarthy liked to do before 0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:23.040 he don't play your tight end's gone block? Well, what 0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:25.120 did you think about the way Will McClay answered the 0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:27.360 tight end question? And the way he kind of addressed it, 0:50:27.400 --> 0:50:30.400 because that might give you a little insight or zero wins. 0:50:30.800 --> 0:50:33.960 It felt like they go wait right, It felt like 0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:35.680 they're gonna wait. Do you guys think this is a 0:50:35.760 --> 0:50:39.160 draft where you can't wait? I think so? Uma, Yeah, 0:50:39.440 --> 0:50:41.200 I think it's a really deep group. Do you have 0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:46.319 a favorite maybe after that first their second tier that 0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:50.120 you like. I'm looking at a couple of guys not 0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:53.640 not sticking out paying Durham from Purdue. Maybe get seeing 0:50:53.680 --> 0:50:55.520 one of those guys. Yeah, you had a great senior 0:50:55.560 --> 0:50:59.239 bowld um. What do you think about Will Mallory out 0:50:59.280 --> 0:51:02.520 of Miami as a guy another singer bowl guy? Yeah? 0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:05.319 His tape just I don't left me wanting more, you know, 0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:08.560 I just he looks he's a good looking athlete, but 0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:10.239 I don't know, I just wanted to see more out 0:51:10.280 --> 0:51:12.359 of him, didn't. I didn't love him much. I thought 0:51:12.680 --> 0:51:14.960 a guy who if he falls to say, like the 0:51:15.000 --> 0:51:18.200 fourth round. Luke Schoonmaker from Michigan is a guy that 0:51:18.280 --> 0:51:21.319 I really like. He's I don't think he gets enough 0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:23.120 credit for the athlete that he is, but he can 0:51:23.160 --> 0:51:26.640 also block um and so I Louse Schoonmaker from Michigan's 0:51:26.640 --> 0:51:29.200 a really good player who I have a third round 0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:31.600 grade on him, But if he were to fall into 0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:33.919 that early fourth maybe that's a that's a guy the 0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:36.560 Cowboys would go get somebody Brian mentioned on one of 0:51:36.600 --> 0:51:38.920 the previous shows because I marked it down BB and 0:51:38.960 --> 0:51:42.480 I went back and watched a couple of games. Oh yeah, 0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:46.160 you let him know. Brian's got a good eye. No 0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:48.560 he does, but uh yeah, there's a couple of guys there. 0:51:48.600 --> 0:51:51.080 What about Cameron lot too as well? Yeah, it's so 0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:55.239 damn yeah, he was if the ball wasn't going to 0:51:55.280 --> 0:51:58.520 Jamire Gibbs, brace Young was trying to find uh, Cameron 0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:00.879 lat too. He didn't. He did a nice job before 0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:04.600 her pass rusher made that transition to a tight end, 0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:06.799 and I thought he did a nice job this year 0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:09.359 work in the middle of the field. Not a ton 0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:11.960 of yak, not a ton of big plays, but a 0:52:12.040 --> 0:52:13.920 guy that can work the middle of the field, get open, 0:52:14.000 --> 0:52:16.799 give you those little windows. And so yeah, he's also 0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:19.320 I think in that fourth fifth round range. Yeah, I 0:52:19.360 --> 0:52:22.120 actually feel like, listening to some of the conversation, I 0:52:22.160 --> 0:52:26.399 think that Laportza from Iowa, his stock is not gonna 0:52:26.400 --> 0:52:29.000 say it's dropping, But I'm just saying that it doesn't 0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:32.040 seem like it's as hype as it was, So I 0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:34.319 feel like he could be a guy that's there in 0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:36.840 the later rounds Now people are really hung up about 0:52:36.840 --> 0:52:40.080 his drops. I think that was when you look at 0:52:40.120 --> 0:52:42.960 the Iowa offense, there was a lot going on there 0:52:42.880 --> 0:52:44.440 at a little bit. There's a little bit of a 0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:46.840 struggle there. Whatnot a bit of a struggle there? Sometime 0:52:47.040 --> 0:52:48.880 I wonder if you get in with some coaching and 0:52:48.960 --> 0:52:50.759 see how he does or whatever. But he's one of 0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:52.360 the guys that I feel like in a lot of 0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:56.239 the conversation started too to not dwindle down, but it's not. 0:52:56.280 --> 0:52:59.360 I don't hear people as excited about him as opposed 0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:02.600 to many these other tight ends because of the receiving 0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:06.080 ability and things like that. Here's a quote from a 0:53:06.160 --> 0:53:10.640 scout on Laporta. I was ready for this. Sam isn't 0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:14.040 quite Fan or Hawkinson to former EYO with tight ends. Yes, 0:53:14.360 --> 0:53:17.680 but he's tougher than both of them. He competes like Kittle, 0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:22.520 oh wow, wows very high praise, and so a guy that, yeah, 0:53:22.600 --> 0:53:25.879 he won't be as athletic as Hawkinson or or fan 0:53:26.120 --> 0:53:29.480 and you know, be that imposing target out there, but 0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:32.719 he competes a basic guy. He had a meniscus injury 0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:35.160 and then he came back for the bowl game. How 0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:38.400 many how many guys in today's you know, college football 0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:41.520 seniors have a meniscus injury and then they're gonna work 0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:43.640 their way back to get back on the Most guys 0:53:43.640 --> 0:53:48.160 are shutting it down. Yeah, I mean especially injury. Yeah yeah, 0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:51.920 especially like Iowa who's not playing for them college football playoffs. Yeah, 0:53:52.040 --> 0:53:54.120 this is a guy that I mean, you talk about grit, 0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:57.000 you talk about this. That's what Scott's talk about with 0:53:57.640 --> 0:54:00.680 with Sam Laporto. So that's why how be shocked if 0:54:00.719 --> 0:54:02.520 he if he falls too far right? I think that 0:54:02.600 --> 0:54:05.280 he's just he's a guy you want your locker room. Um, 0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:08.120 I still think somewhere top one hundred. I think laport 0:54:08.200 --> 0:54:10.640 ends thank you for that information because that's what that's 0:54:10.680 --> 0:54:12.680 literally what Will was just talking about is like we 0:54:12.719 --> 0:54:15.279 can watch all the film all day, but to hear 0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:17.480 the toughness, some of the behind the scenes stuff, just 0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:19.520 some of the things he's he's worked through, you know, 0:54:19.600 --> 0:54:21.960 throughout his career. Put some stuff in perspective for him 0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:23.880 as a player. Yeah for me, so thank you for 0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:26.600 that second straight date. We've talked about tight ends as well. 0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:30.000 This might be it's a theme I'm coming around, guys 0:54:30.120 --> 0:54:32.840 coming around, because when I first started watching him, I 0:54:32.960 --> 0:54:39.319 was like, okay, sometimes exciting. Some of these guys are 0:54:39.320 --> 0:54:42.080 exciting to watch. So oh man, well this has been 0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:44.680 a whole lot of fun. YEA three shows here over 0:54:44.719 --> 0:54:46.479 the last couple of days, A couple with our friend 0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:49.000 Dame Brugler from the Athletic. Be sure to check him 0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:51.440 out because the next time we'll probably hear from Dane 0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:54.120 the Beast will probably be out there. Hopefully. What's the 0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:56.279 due date? Are you? What are you getting that out there? 0:54:56.320 --> 0:54:58.759 It's that first weekend April. That's always the goal. Um, 0:54:59.280 --> 0:55:01.200 you know, I really a month from now hopefully we're 0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:02.880 putting the final touches on. I want to get all 0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:05.880 the prote information in there, and that goes up until 0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:08.480 that first week in April. Um, you know it's important 0:55:08.480 --> 0:55:10.400 to get all that data in there. So it's the 0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:13.000 month of March. The month of March doesn't happen for me. 0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:17.080 It's it's just it's strictly finishing in watching these guys 0:55:17.520 --> 0:55:21.719 bring sunlight. No, no such thing in March. But once 0:55:21.760 --> 0:55:24.399 the draft guy's out in April, then I can. I'll 0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:26.799 hit send on that tweet that says hey guys, here 0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:29.040 it is, and then put my phone down, take the 0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:31.560 dog for a walk, try to take a deep breath, 0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:33.319 come back, and my phone will be blowing up with 0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:36.440 why'd you have him here? That's all right, we'll deal 0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:38.719 with that. Then we'll get there. No, it's crazy. I 0:55:38.760 --> 0:55:40.960 went to the draft last year on my own, before 0:55:41.320 --> 0:55:44.200 Yes started doing any of this. Funniest thing was people 0:55:44.280 --> 0:55:47.080 carrying around the beast like it was a bible. They 0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:49.560 had it like like like it was a Bible like 0:55:49.640 --> 0:55:53.320 it was. It was so many people out there caring around. 0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:55.719 I'm like, that is not no bible. The funny it 0:55:55.880 --> 0:56:01.479 is it basically like I always enjoy when they show 0:56:01.600 --> 0:56:07.640 snapshots from a war room or an NFL team and 0:56:07.640 --> 0:56:10.319 and then you have all humble about it. I mean, yeah, 0:56:11.840 --> 0:56:13.960 there's only a couple more years left of Dane Brugler 0:56:14.120 --> 0:56:17.200 doing this media stuff being a normal guy. He's gonna 0:56:17.200 --> 0:56:23.040 be interviewing like, yeah, that's fair, that's fair. Everything's on 0:56:23.040 --> 0:56:25.600 the table, Dane, Thanks so much. It's always a pleasure, 0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:28.280 We'll talk to you again down the line for Asia Morrison, 0:56:28.480 --> 0:56:31.759 I'm Kyle Yeoman's for our producer Alex Lilly behind the camera, 0:56:31.800 --> 0:56:33.839 setting all of this up this week on Radio Row, 0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:36.319 saying so long from Indianapolis. We'll see you back at 0:56:36.320 --> 0:56:38.200 the Star in Frisco on Wednesday with more of the 0:56:38.280 --> 0:56:41.480 Draft show, presented by Miller White. This has been a 0:56:41.520 --> 0:56:45.080 production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys 0:56:45.160 --> 0:56:45.839 Football Club.