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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your

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Speaker 1: war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep

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Speaker 1: within the conbines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Fresco,

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, Tyler Smith, and now your host, Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody, Welcome into the Draft Show, presented by

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Speaker 1: Miller Light. We are live from the Indiana Convention Center

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Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty three NFL Combine on Radio Row.

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Speaker 1: We are on site for day number three of the

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Speaker 1: combine this year alongside Ayesha Morrison. I'm Kyle Yeoman's. We

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Speaker 1: are pleased to be joined by a very special guest

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Speaker 1: if you got Vice President of Player Personnel Will McClay

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Speaker 1: joining us now. And Will, it's been a busy week

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Speaker 1: for you already. How's it been going. It's great. You

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Speaker 1: said it was day number three. I feel like it's

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Speaker 1: a day number twelve. How it runs were during the combine?

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Speaker 1: What is this combine been light compared to some of

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Speaker 1: the ones that you've had in the past. Um, it's

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Speaker 1: it's very very similar. I just think that what's changed

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Speaker 1: is they're improving the player experience, which means it's a

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Speaker 1: us that are trying to do our job, but it's

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Speaker 1: the same old deal, oh man. Overall, I mean it

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Speaker 1: really feels like that because they pushed everything back a

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Speaker 1: little bit, the interviews, the drills, and it keeps you

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Speaker 1: here longer, right, Yeah. I mean today we started interviews

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Speaker 1: what do you get to eat in the middle. That's

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Speaker 1: that's what we got to talk about it. Whatever's up

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the player experiences being important and something you

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Speaker 1: guys are prioritizing. What are ways that you folks are

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Speaker 1: trying to prioritize and make the players experience better. I

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Speaker 1: think what we're trying to do, the league is trying

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Speaker 1: to do, and the Combine Committee is trying to give

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Speaker 1: the players more opportunity to rest before their events so

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Speaker 1: that they're fresher, um just giving them a better overall experience.

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Speaker 1: And you know, in their introduction to the NFL overall

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Speaker 1: to what it is now and it's become more player centric.

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Speaker 1: But how has it changed for an executive like yourself.

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Speaker 1: You know, we have to adjust and you know and

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Speaker 1: in this game and everybody has to adjust, and there's

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Speaker 1: different things that you have to do to be able

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Speaker 1: we want to make the best of it. And the

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Speaker 1: number one thing is for us is getting the opportunity

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Speaker 1: of your favorite parts of the process is getting to

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Speaker 1: know those guys. Yeah, you know, we're into people business.

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Speaker 1: I've said this before. We're asking people about people. Uh,

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Speaker 1: but also to put our own you know, feelings to

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Speaker 1: So many of the players have been like, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: for the next hour. Is great to do, Yeah, Will Wills, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you would probably make that switch any day. Will's gotta go.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for taking some time. This was

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Speaker 1: awesome as always, Good luck the rest of the way.

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Speaker 1: Go find some good, good players. There he goes, and

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Speaker 1: got Dame Brugler, Aisha Morrison of Kyle Yeoman's. We just

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Speaker 1: wrapped up with Will McClay great as always. I mean,

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Speaker 1: anytime you get to pick the brain of the guy

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Speaker 1: who really runs the draft ship for the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: It's always going to turn into something. He doesn't always

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Speaker 1: want to really give out a ton of information, but

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Speaker 1: he gave out some really good stuff there. I really

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Speaker 1: value his perspective, just you know, the position that he's in,

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Speaker 1: the experience that he has, you know, because he's player, coach, evaluator,

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Speaker 1: like he's he brings a really diverse background to his job.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I was just asking him how how

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Speaker 1: his job has evolved over time and what he looks

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Speaker 1: for and you know, how he handles outliers all those days.

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Speaker 1: It was just a really fun conversation. What do you think?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean it was dope hearing him talk

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Speaker 1: about just the process. Man, It's so it sounds so

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Speaker 1: thorough and just step by step by step by step,

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Speaker 1: and I was so just liked hearing him talk about

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Speaker 1: how the Cowboys want to make their own decisions, they

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Speaker 1: want to make form their own opinions. Like, yeah, we

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Speaker 1: value some of the information that's been given. But he

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Speaker 1: talked about coming to the combine. He was like, we're

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Speaker 1: trying to put get definitive information, you know, based off

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Speaker 1: of the stuff that we've been thinking or searching or researching.

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Speaker 1: So I just I enjoyed hearing about kind of the

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Speaker 1: process and barnacles. It's one of the well and like

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Speaker 1: I said, Will McClay is really really good. It's saying

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Speaker 1: a lot but saying a little, and that's something he's

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Speaker 1: done throughout his Career's pardon why he's good at his

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Speaker 1: job throughout his career. One thing he did say there

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Speaker 1: that I've never really heard of, but you can see

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Speaker 1: a trend with was when asked about your outlier question,

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Speaker 1: I love that question, by the way, that's a good

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Speaker 1: question when weighing the outliner liars. He said, we value

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Speaker 1: the production right off the bat. That was his first

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Speaker 1: couple of words, production, production, production. You can see that

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Speaker 1: with the trends that they've drafted with throughout the years.

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Speaker 1: You talk about guys like treyvon Dix, Tyler Smith, Micah Parsons.

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Speaker 1: It's important to point out that production doesn't always just

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Speaker 1: mean what's in the stat sheet. Production can be you know,

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Speaker 1: watching him on the field and seeing, Okay, he's creating

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Speaker 1: disruption out there, or you know, he's getting the job

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Speaker 1: done it. Productions not just oh, did he have at

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Speaker 1: least ten sacks? You know, so when he said, I

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Speaker 1: do believe when he said production, it wasn't just speaking

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Speaker 1: of just the stat sheet for sure. And it looks

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Speaker 1: like there's a lot of times that Cowboys Nation will

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Speaker 1: look at and say traits or what they look to

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Speaker 1: the most, and traits are a teams you could say

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Speaker 1: that about you look at traits, that that's always going

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Speaker 1: to be the case, or else we wouldn't have even

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Speaker 1: asked the conversation about shorter players and undersized players. But

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Speaker 1: the production, the way that he sounded like he was

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Speaker 1: weighing it is that the production outweighs the traits, which

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Speaker 1: is an interesting thought process, something something that not a

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Speaker 1: ton of teams do, I mean, but some teams certainly

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Speaker 1: rely on it. Well and I'm okay Tyler Smith. Last year,

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Speaker 1: UM talk about the traits. He certainly had those traits

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Speaker 1: that you're looking for, UM, But you know, it was

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Speaker 1: a little bit up and down, but you look at

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Speaker 1: the production, you look at the good things that he did,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, you know what, we're willing to bet

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Speaker 1: on that that with some added coaching, he's going to

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Speaker 1: get better and better and better. And so it was

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Speaker 1: also interesting, you know, kind of alluded to this, but

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Speaker 1: how what's good for them might not be good for

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Speaker 1: somebody else. And you know, like they're drafting for one team,

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Speaker 1: one culture, one roster. The way things are, it's going

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Speaker 1: to be different than what another team's looking for. And so,

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Speaker 1: you know, we I think we seem to in the

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Speaker 1: draft space. You know, Okay, well, this guy's clearly the

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Speaker 1: top receiver or this guy's you know, it's this, there's

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Speaker 1: no such thing as a consensus when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the draft, and there's no such thing because every team

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Speaker 1: is looking for something a little bit different that suits them,

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Speaker 1: that that that fits their strengths. So you know, I

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Speaker 1: think that he that's something I think he made sure

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Speaker 1: to point out. Yeah, and he talked about even the

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Speaker 1: locker room fit, like we talked about it before we

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Speaker 1: even started recording, just how important the locker room fit

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Speaker 1: is too. Is this gentleman's personality going to fit in

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Speaker 1: with the guys we already have here. You don't want

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Speaker 1: someone coming in disrupting, you know, some of the chemistry

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Speaker 1: that you have. So we were talking about just how

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Speaker 1: you kind of pay attention to how they interact with

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Speaker 1: their peers, how they are at the podium when they're here.

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Speaker 1: He also mentioned NIL and just how that that was

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Speaker 1: super dope, because well, I hopefully we can get into that,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I would. I wanted you guys as thoughts on, like,

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning about NIL and all that stuff, But

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Speaker 1: how do you think it's affected how the scouting process

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Speaker 1: goes and even the drafting process goes. It's even more

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Speaker 1: so like the transfer portal, you know, because I think

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Speaker 1: it was you know, ten years ago. If a guy

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Speaker 1: couldn't was blocked on the depth chart and he transferred,

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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, does this guy is afraid of competition?

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Speaker 1: You know, Like, but now it's like, Okay, I don't

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Speaker 1: blame him for going to go to a better situation

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Speaker 1: where he could get on the field show what he

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Speaker 1: can do. And so yeah, the mindset has really changed

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Speaker 1: because of the way the college football game has changed.

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Speaker 1: You know, either you evolve with things or you're gonna

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Speaker 1: be stuck playing catchup because in the college game, very

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Speaker 1: different in the NFL game, and there's so many different

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Speaker 1: things you have to weigh. NA L just another one,

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Speaker 1: and everybody is still learning the NIL. The transfer portal,

583
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Speaker 1: whether it's collegiately or at the professional level as well.

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Speaker 1: You talk about the adjustments that need to be made there,

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Speaker 1: not everybody will adjust the same. Everybody's gonna have a

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Speaker 1: different opinion on how to hit it at least at first,

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Speaker 1: and then it's a copy to cat league. Everybody will

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Speaker 1: kind of come together on a consensus based off of

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Speaker 1: what you've seen the last couple of years. For the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: do you feel like they're in a good spot to

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Speaker 1: make those adjustments compared to the rest of the thirty

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Speaker 1: one out of the teams? Yeah, and I think that

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Speaker 1: they Okay, you know, we've talked about it in the past,

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Speaker 1: how the Cowboys, you know, like they're not gonna draft

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Speaker 1: a defensive tackle in the first round or we've talked

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Speaker 1: about how you know, there's certain trends, whether it be

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Speaker 1: they're not going to draft a small school player, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to pay attention to those trends.

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Speaker 1: But it's also important to, you know, understand that they

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Speaker 1: just they want to get better and they want to

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Speaker 1: get the players that are going to best fit this

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Speaker 1: team and best get them make them a better roster.

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Speaker 1: So it's important to have an open mind to who

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Speaker 1: they might go after, especially in a draft like this

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Speaker 1: where you know you're again picking later in the first round.

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Speaker 1: We don't know how those first twenty five picks you're

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Speaker 1: gonna play out. You know, last year it's you know,

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Speaker 1: Tyler Smith would have been different outlook if a certain

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Speaker 1: you know, say Zion Johnson is still available or you know,

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Speaker 1: how does that change things? And so you know, I

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Speaker 1: think it's important just have an open mind to how

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Speaker 1: they might be attacking this specific draft. Yeah, and when

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Speaker 1: you talk about, well, the last couple of years, I

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Speaker 1: do feel like in the first round they've taken best

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Speaker 1: player available for them. Yeah, Like when you mentioned Tyler Smith,

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Speaker 1: like he mentioned here Will McClay, like a lot of

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Speaker 1: people had different opinions about Tyler Smith, but they felt

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Speaker 1: like this guy is a good get fit for us

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Speaker 1: and it actually paid dividends for them because of his

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Speaker 1: flex that they felt like he had that we I know,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't too sure about myself, so so so best

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Speaker 1: to your point, best player available to us may not

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Speaker 1: be best player available to them. Yeah, and you know

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Speaker 1: a lot of that comes from the interviews, the meetings,

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Speaker 1: you know, understanding, hey, is this guy really going to

626
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Speaker 1: put everything he has into being the best version of himself,

627
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Speaker 1: because you know, if you don't believe that with Tyler Smith,

628
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Speaker 1: you can't draft him. If you don't think that he's

629
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Speaker 1: gonna work and put his best foot forward and try

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Speaker 1: to get every ounce of talent that he has out

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Speaker 1: of that out of his ability, you just can't draft

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Speaker 1: him in the first round. But obviously through their interactions,

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Speaker 1: through their meetings and interviews, you know they felt like

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Speaker 1: he would do that, and that's something that you know,

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Speaker 1: the interview process is different from team to team with

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Speaker 1: the questions they ask or you know, how they feel

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Speaker 1: about the players. So you know, that's just another wrinkle

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Speaker 1: to the whole evaluation process that makes it a very

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Speaker 1: inexact science and different from team to team. Oh and

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Speaker 1: it makes the interviews that much more imperative to the

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Speaker 1: one on one the scouting department getting to sit down

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Speaker 1: and Will McClay getting to sit down and talk with

643
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: him up until eleven o'clock at night, like he said

644
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier. With that being said, there are

645
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: some confirmed Cowboys meetings that we have had throughout the

646
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: interview process. This week, I'll name some of these guys.

647
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: Felix on your DK Zama from Kansas State. Practicing, I

648
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: have been practicing. Thank you, Derek Call out of Alabama

649
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 1: linebacker day on Henley, Oh, Auburn, I'm meant to say Alabama.

650
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm meant to say Auburn dayon Henley out

651
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: of Washington State to marve An over Shown out of Texas,

652
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Forbes from Mississippi State, Joey Porter Junior from Penn State, TREYE.

653
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: Dean from Florida, J. L. Skinner from Boise State, and

654
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: Israel Abanconda got it again running back. So what do

655
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: you think about this short list of names? This is

656
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: still very This is what one, two, three, four five.

657
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: That's like seven or eight names out of eighty or

658
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: not eighty forty five formals and countless informal interviews. So

659
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: do you think interesting names there? I mean, we we've

660
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: talked about Emmanuel Forbes quite a bit before, but you know,

661
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: he's he's a guy that with that body type you

662
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: just every teams to you you looking at a little bit differently.

663
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: We'll see what he officially weighs in at here at

664
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: the combine, but probably we're talking under seven hundred and

665
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: seventy five pounds for a guy that's gonna be six

666
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: one and a half six two. Um, you know, that's

667
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: that's we talk about outliers, talk about certain thresholds that

668
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: each team wants. How our team's gonna look at that. Um.

669
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: So with Emmanuel Forbes, when you sit down an interview him,

670
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: just finding out, hey, is this just your body type?

671
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: Is this you know, trying to get a better understanding

672
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: of uh, you know, the growth potential there. So, Um,

673
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Um, a couple of first round potential first

674
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: rounders on there. Joey Porter Junior. Um, you know, he's

675
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: he's a really interesting corner who I don't think it's

676
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: out of the top twenty twenty four picks, but you

677
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: never know. He's he's a guy that is a true

678
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: press corner. He wants to get up, park his chin

679
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: right underneath, uh, the receiver, and he's gonna make contact

680
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: and he's gonna ride that receiver up and down the field. So, um,

681
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: a certain type of corner compared to maybe some of

682
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: the other guys who maybe offer a little more versatility. Yeah,

683
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: and with with the all the visits they had, it

684
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: looks like there's DB's a thing. DV in general is

685
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: a thing I mean there's five on that list alone, now,

686
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: three corners, two safeties, jail Skinner being one of them.

687
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: I was actually state, you know, you know, cowboys got

688
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: the boys state fever. That's the thing with Jail Skinner.

689
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: I've never seen a safety with an identical body type

690
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: as aj Green the receiver. Yeah, it's it's it's uncanny.

691
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: It's identical. It's the sixty four or sixty three and

692
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: three quarters whatever it is. Um, but how lean he is,

693
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: like through his legs like there, he doesn't have calves.

694
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: It's it's it's I don't know, sorry, but it's just

695
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: it's just uncanny. How he's identical body type. So sorry,

696
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: cutting no, no, no, I was. That's just one of

697
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: the things that I definitely noticed, like the Cowboys clearly

698
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: understand that they need to get more d I was

699
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: surprised by, not surprised, but the d Some of the

700
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: d n's I'm not I'm not saying. I'm not saying

701
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that d N is not like a

702
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: need or anything like that. But some of these guys

703
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: are gentleman, like, you know, I'm not gonna want to

704
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: mess up his name. Derek call Byron young those. I'm like, okay,

705
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: can you say Felix. I'm say Felix, Yeah, I got you,

706
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: Felix on Udique Zama. So I'm at the practice. That's

707
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: a good That's a good thing though, because you look

708
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: at edge rusher, what does the future look like for

709
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 1: a DeMarcus Lawrence Dorance Armstrong is going into a final year.

710
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: They can maybe extend him if they really wanted to.

711
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: You've got Mica that contracts coming up to So drafting

712
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: edge rusher isn't out of the question. It's probably not

713
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: an overall arching need. It's not gonna be a first round,

714
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: certain round pick, but if there's a quality edge rusher,

715
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: maybe middle of the draft. And all three of those

716
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: names aren't first round names for the most part, probably not.

717
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: But you know, ed drusher is always weird because you

718
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: know it's a premium position. Sure, so there's no such

719
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: thing as having too many of those guys, especially with

720
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: the way that you know defenses work these days in

721
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: sub and you just want to get guys, get get

722
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: guys that can get get to the quarterback on the field.

723
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: You know, nobody knows that better than Cowboys with Michael Parsons,

724
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: who is not your traditional uh ed rusher, but you

725
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: know what, he can get to the quarterback and so

726
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: you figure out a way to make that happen. And

727
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: so if they find another guy like that, a quarterback hunter, uh,

728
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think you, you know, you at least

729
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: consider that in the first round, because I think it's important.

730
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: We don't, you know, you don't narrow your focus in

731
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: the first round and say, you know, we have to

732
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: get a corner guy. That's where this team has gotten

733
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: in trouble in the past. You know, Tacos, That's where

734
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: this team has gotten in trouble in the past, where

735
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: they say, we need to get exposition here in the

736
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: first round. Oh man, you have to keep your you know,

737
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: you have to make sure you're drafting the best player

738
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: at an impact position that's going to help your roster.

739
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: In fairness, I really do feel like since Mike McCarthy

740
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: has been here that that is kind of fizzled out.

741
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: Also too, Dan Quinn, like you can see his influence

742
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: on on these past few drafts. Now, I will ask you, guys,

743
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: so DT is something that I definitely feel like is

744
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: a is a need given the fact that you've seen

745
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. I feel like they've drafted guys that

746
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: had pass rush ability on also a DIGGI zuas like

747
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: those gentlemen that have passed rushability Nevill Gallimore. But having

748
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: Hankins come in this past year and be a true

749
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: nose seemed to really help this defensive line. Not sure

750
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: if he's coming back next season. Is there a dt

751
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: that you're like, you know what, man, that is maybe

752
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: that you're okay with. Besides you know the obvious that

753
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: you're okay with maybe at a first round because we

754
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: didn't get to talk to him about that, but it

755
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: was clear that Hankins as a nose and just having

756
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: a true nose made a huge difference in the run

757
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: defense and just the edge rushers being free, being able

758
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: to stunt all that stuff. So how do you guys

759
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: feel about that? Are you talking about a true nose

760
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: or any type of defensive I mean, when we talk

761
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: about the last few drafts and the way that they've drafted,

762
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: I feel like they've drafted guys at the d D

763
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: position that had that could get up field, but that

764
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: has not helped sir of them and run defense. So

765
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: do you shift your thinking as a coordinator or and

766
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: you're scouting like, hey, we love guys that like to

767
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: rush the passer from that position, but it's hurting our

768
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: run defense. Do you now convert to we have enough

769
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: edge rushers or we're gonna put stock into edge rushers

770
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: and we're gonna really get some gentlemen in here that

771
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: can clog up this middle of this defense. And I

772
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: think that it's a great question. I think it's ideally

773
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: you try to find the guys that can help you

774
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: in both areas. You know, the interchangeable like if you

775
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: want to kick him inside, play him as a as

776
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: a nose or a one. Uh, you know he can

777
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: handle a double team, but you also want to be

778
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: able to keep him if you want him over the

779
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: B gap and you want him getting up field, he

780
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: can attack gaps. So you know a guy like Keanu

781
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: Benton from Wisconsin and if you've watched him, yeah, yeah,

782
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: he's a he's a good player who he was a

783
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: nose at Wisconsin. But you feel like there's pass rush

784
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: potential there. So I think ideally for a team like this,

785
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: that should be the you know who, you're who, you're

786
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: gunning for, the guys that could play either role. I

787
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: completely agree with that, because that's what dan Quinn has shown.

788
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he's basically like, give me a guy, I'm

789
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: gonna make him work. I'm gonna make it work. The

790
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 1: only place that that hasn't necessarily happened is the interior

791
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: of the defensive line. I'm saying, and it's not because

792
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 1: the Nevil Gallimos of the world aren't the best players.

793
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: It just might not fit what they're trying to do

794
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: with the interchangeability, So versatility could work. Nevil Gallimore is

795
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: not gonna be a one tech. He's not gonna line

796
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: up on the nose. He's not gonna have that ability.

797
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: Oh say, dig Zoo as great as a pass rusher

798
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: as a three tech, but he's also not gonna be

799
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: a nose Go get you a guy who's got that versatility,

800
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: but maybe was with it a little bit more of

801
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: a nose tackle background. Because who made the biggest impact

802
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: on the run defense this year. Jonathan Hankins, big Furley

803
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: nose tackle. He was only a nose tackle, but he's

804
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: the one that really made the biggest impact throughout the season. Well,

805
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: if they want to know more about um Kenn Benton,

806
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: they just need to go call up Jake first, and

807
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: they were they were roommates for a little bit there,

808
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: mentioned going up Againstian practice and how they talk and

809
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: Iron Sharpen's iron. That Wisconsin offensive line, obviously is they're

810
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: known for their offensive line. So for Keano to be

811
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: going toe to toe with them, I think helping improved

812
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: his game. He was a lot smaller than what I

813
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: thought he was going to be. No small guy. Yeah,

814
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: but when he was at the podium, he plays don't

815
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: get me, he just take her favorite player. It was

816
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: like the first but he just he I just expected

817
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: to see this like early human. And he's he's pretty

818
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: lean to be as big as he is. He's got

819
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: a he's got a big body, but he's he's not

820
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: like three. He's not Mozzi Smith, who's you know, three

821
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: thirty three, three thy five. He's more three fifteen. Um.

822
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: He might even slim down even more here too, so

823
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: he can run better. Um. So yeah, well I don't Yeah,

824
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: I guess he did measure this morning, but I haven't

825
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: seen an official uh wait for him yet. What do

826
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: you think about Massy Smith's fit. I know we talked

827
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: a little bit about him yesterday, but you think about

828
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: the versatility between a one in the three both potentially. Yeah.

829
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: I mean he's not just a strictly a stocky plugger.

830
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: You know you're not, but that's what he does best

831
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 1: in terms of taking on doubles, and he's so good

832
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: with his leverage the way he understands it. He like

833
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: every player has a level of play strength or power, MASI,

834
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: Smith accesses his power better than most players in this draft.

835
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: Having the understanding of your body and how to access

836
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: that power to maximize it. He's so good at that.

837
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: So um yeah, I think that that's what makes Mozy

838
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: a potential first round picking this draft. Now, this is

839
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: a second great day. We've talked about Smith, and everything

840
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: you're saying is just blinking light to me. I mean,

841
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: I know it's early. I know it's early, but that

842
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: just sounds like a fit. I don't know if it's

843
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: the fit of twenty six. We have a long way

844
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: to go up until that, but at least in the

845
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: early couple days. I think a lot of this first one.

846
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: I think a lot of teams are thinking that way too, though,

847
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: you know, to add a maybe not the last year's player,

848
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: but then I had someone that you're just gonna plug in.

849
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: It's gonna help everybody else in that front seven. You're

850
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: gonna help your run defense from day one. So yeah,

851
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: I do think there'll be several teams looking at that

852
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Speaker 1: in that late one early two window and saying, hey,

853
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: maybe not the sexiest pick, but and he's gonna make

854
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Speaker 1: us a better team. Yeah, And Carl Brooks from Bowling Green.

855
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: It's also a guy that has some versatility. They used

856
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Speaker 1: him on the outside and used him, they pushed him

857
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Speaker 1: into the inside. Now I do feel like, not by

858
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Speaker 1: the way, the biggest combined snumb this year. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,

859
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Speaker 1: he didn't get snubbed, didn't get in. Yeah, it doesn't

860
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Speaker 1: mean he won't get drafted, but but it was a

861
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: big snub. Yeah. Like I guess I was actually looking

862
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Speaker 1: for him. But he's hard to get hands on as well.

863
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Speaker 1: And I think he is also a guy that has

864
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Speaker 1: some pass run. He can develop into a better pass rusher,

865
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Speaker 1: but he has some nos ability and you can move

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Speaker 1: him across the line. I thought he was a guy

867
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Speaker 1: that maybe you can keep your eye out for him.

868
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Speaker 1: Now he's only three oh five, which is not tiny,

869
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Speaker 1: but with him being out used on the outside and stuff,

870
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: I think that has to do with a size. So

871
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Speaker 1: I guess it depends on what a team wants from him.

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Speaker 1: But I was just saying, when you talk about a

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Speaker 1: As soon as we're done with this segment because it's

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Speaker 1: our last segment here for the Draft show at the Combine,

941
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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler I used to Morris said, I'm Kyle Yeomen's

942
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Speaker 1: let's wrap up with a little bit of twitter. On

943
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: the twenty Twitter Twitter, Brandon said, who is one prospect

944
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: that you think the Cowboys would regret passing on in

945
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: the first round? I know, again super early. However, there's

946
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: some names there that have been mentioned kind of thrown

947
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: into the mix. Is there's one that sticks out that

948
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: they could pass on and that that would regret. I

949
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: think the obvious name is Bijean. Yeah, I mean that's uh,

950
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: that's one of those realistic you could see him being

951
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: there and you could see them passing um and then

952
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: you could realistically see Bijeon having a uh, you know,

953
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred yard rushing season as a rookie. And I

954
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 1: mean that that seems like the most obvious name there. Um,

955
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: who's another less obvious name? Maybe, um, one of these receivers,

956
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: reiver Jordan Addison, maybe you know, doesn't give you the size,

957
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: but man, he can get open, he can he can

958
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: make plays for you. So what about one of these

959
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: tight ends telling you, man, I don't know, but I

960
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: don't know about but I don't know wide receiver. When

961
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned the size thing and stuff like that. I

962
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: think some of these speedy guys, like even like a

963
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 1: Jalen Hyatt, who I think he's gonna put the burners

964
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: on plenty of times in this league and we might

965
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: look back and be like, dang, because he can just get,

966
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: he can just run past people. We can just get.

967
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: And vertical verticality is like we see it with the Chiefs.

968
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,479
Speaker 1: Like teams that can play vertical, they're they're flying past

969
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: these dvs. It makes a different speed is something that

970
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: people want. So if they pass up on a speedy receiver,

971
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: I think that that would make me send. Did you

972
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: like Will's answer to that question the way that he

973
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: outlined it? It kind of felt like he kind of

974
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: went around it a little bit, and I expected him

975
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: to do so. Sure, I asked the question just to

976
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: throw it out there. Maybe he'd give us a little nugget,

977
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: but it kind of felt like he didn't want to address, Yes,

978
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 1: we will draft it if it's the right guy. Didn't

979
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: really sound like we didn't want touch word receiver like this.

980
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: People was not falling for it well, talking about like

981
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: tight ends for example, like how do you you know

982
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: talking to Will about and asking about first round tight

983
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: ends waiting on tight ends, UM, it's it's a really

984
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: interesting philosophy because this is a team that, um the

985
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: last first round tight end was Matt ninety eight, so uh,

986
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 1: you know, and the last tight end they drafted top

987
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: fifty was Gavin Escobar over ten years ago, so you know,

988
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: it's it's a position they like to wait on. We've

989
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: seen it time and time again the last few years.

990
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: So and they've had decent you know, I think Dalton

991
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 1: Schultz and you know what he's brought to the team,

992
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: and so it's not like they've totally struck out doing

993
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: with that mindset. But it'll be interesting if one, you know,

994
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: going back to the original question about where they going

995
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: to regret passing it if their top tight end, whoever

996
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: that may be, whether it's Michael may or whether it's

997
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: Dalton Kinka, Luke Musgrave, Darnel, whoever is their top tight end.

998
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: If he's there, if then in the first round, that

999
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: will be awfully tempting to go ahead and just take

1000
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: him right there. But you know, it could be something

1001
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: they end up regretting if they pass. I wanted to

1002
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: ask you guys, since we're talking about tight end. He

1003
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: got two two tight ends right now, right now and

1004
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: Um and Jake Ferguson that both have the receiving qualities

1005
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 1: kind of the you know, like they both are blocked.

1006
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: They're both better at blocking now. But do you put

1007
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: a just appeer blocking tight end or a guy that

1008
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: is specialized in that. Do you mix it up or

1009
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: do you want to you think that they're going to

1010
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: continue to go the route of we kind of want

1011
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: a guy with some of that elusiveness, that receiving quality

1012
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: type stuff, or are they going to be in a

1013
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: place to where they're more like maybe when we want

1014
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: a guy more like a Sean McCune who came in

1015
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: and it's just really active in the blocking game. We

1016
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: talk about Mike McCarthy talking about I want to run

1017
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: the ball. I want to run the damn ball, and

1018
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: he loves tight ends four plus guys. He loves those

1019
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: types of guys on your football. So I wonder if

1020
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: that plays a role in whether you go for a

1021
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: guy like Kincaid a Musgrade instead of a concase because

1022
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: of the block in Darnel Washington, Washington. But and then

1023
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: the question becomes, Okay, is the value there where we're

1024
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: drafting a sixth offensive lineman? And it depends because every

1025
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: team is different. Exactly exactly this scheme and the way

1026
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: that it's being talked about, and just kind of some

1027
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 1: of the things that Mike McCarthy liked to do before

1028
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: he don't play your tight end's gone block? Well, what

1029
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: did you think about the way Will McClay answered the

1030
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: tight end question? And the way he kind of addressed it,

1031
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: because that might give you a little insight or zero wins.

1032
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: It felt like they go wait right, It felt like

1033
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna wait. Do you guys think this is a

1034
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: draft where you can't wait? I think so? Uma, Yeah,

1035
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: I think it's a really deep group. Do you have

1036
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: a favorite maybe after that first their second tier that

1037
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: you like. I'm looking at a couple of guys not

1038
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: not sticking out paying Durham from Purdue. Maybe get seeing

1039
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: one of those guys. Yeah, you had a great senior

1040
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: bowld um. What do you think about Will Mallory out

1041
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: of Miami as a guy another singer bowl guy? Yeah?

1042
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: His tape just I don't left me wanting more, you know,

1043
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: I just he looks he's a good looking athlete, but

1044
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just wanted to see more out

1045
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: of him, didn't. I didn't love him much. I thought

1046
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: a guy who if he falls to say, like the

1047
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: fourth round. Luke Schoonmaker from Michigan is a guy that

1048
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: I really like. He's I don't think he gets enough

1049
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: credit for the athlete that he is, but he can

1050
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: also block um and so I Louse Schoonmaker from Michigan's

1051
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: a really good player who I have a third round

1052
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: grade on him, But if he were to fall into

1053
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,919
Speaker 1: that early fourth maybe that's a that's a guy the

1054
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: Cowboys would go get somebody Brian mentioned on one of

1055
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: the previous shows because I marked it down BB and

1056
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: I went back and watched a couple of games. Oh yeah,

1057
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: you let him know. Brian's got a good eye. No

1058
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: he does, but uh yeah, there's a couple of guys there.

1059
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: What about Cameron lot too as well? Yeah, it's so

1060
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: damn yeah, he was if the ball wasn't going to

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Speaker 1: Jamire Gibbs, brace Young was trying to find uh, Cameron

1062
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: lat too. He didn't. He did a nice job before

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Speaker 1: her pass rusher made that transition to a tight end,

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Speaker 1: and I thought he did a nice job this year

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00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 1: work in the middle of the field. Not a ton

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Speaker 1: of yak, not a ton of big plays, but a

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00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: guy that can work the middle of the field, get open,

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00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: give you those little windows. And so yeah, he's also

1069
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: I think in that fourth fifth round range. Yeah, I

1070
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: actually feel like, listening to some of the conversation, I

1071
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 1: think that Laportza from Iowa, his stock is not gonna

1072
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: say it's dropping, But I'm just saying that it doesn't

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00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: seem like it's as hype as it was, So I

1074
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: feel like he could be a guy that's there in

1075
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: the later rounds Now people are really hung up about

1076
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: his drops. I think that was when you look at

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00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: the Iowa offense, there was a lot going on there

1078
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: at a little bit. There's a little bit of a

1079
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: struggle there. Whatnot a bit of a struggle there? Sometime

1080
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: I wonder if you get in with some coaching and

1081
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: see how he does or whatever. But he's one of

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00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: the guys that I feel like in a lot of

1083
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: the conversation started too to not dwindle down, but it's not.

1084
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: I don't hear people as excited about him as opposed

1085
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: to many these other tight ends because of the receiving

1086
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: ability and things like that. Here's a quote from a

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00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: scout on Laporta. I was ready for this. Sam isn't

1088
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: quite Fan or Hawkinson to former EYO with tight ends. Yes,

1089
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Speaker 1: but he's tougher than both of them. He competes like Kittle,

1090
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: oh wow, wows very high praise, and so a guy that, yeah,

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00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 1: he won't be as athletic as Hawkinson or or fan

1092
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: and you know, be that imposing target out there, but

1093
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: he competes a basic guy. He had a meniscus injury

1094
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: and then he came back for the bowl game. How

1095
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: many how many guys in today's you know, college football

1096
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: seniors have a meniscus injury and then they're gonna work

1097
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: their way back to get back on the Most guys

1098
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: are shutting it down. Yeah, I mean especially injury. Yeah yeah,

1099
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: especially like Iowa who's not playing for them college football playoffs. Yeah,

1100
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: this is a guy that I mean, you talk about grit,

1101
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: you talk about this. That's what Scott's talk about with

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00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: with Sam Laporto. So that's why how be shocked if

1103
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: he if he falls too far right? I think that

1104
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 1: he's just he's a guy you want your locker room. Um,

1105
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: I still think somewhere top one hundred. I think laport

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00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: ends thank you for that information because that's what that's

1107
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: literally what Will was just talking about is like we

1108
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: can watch all the film all day, but to hear

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00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: the toughness, some of the behind the scenes stuff, just

1110
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: some of the things he's he's worked through, you know,

1111
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: throughout his career. Put some stuff in perspective for him

1112
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: as a player. Yeah for me, so thank you for

1113
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Speaker 1: that second straight date. We've talked about tight ends as well.

1114
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Speaker 1: This might be it's a theme I'm coming around, guys

1115
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: coming around, because when I first started watching him, I

1116
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: was like, okay, sometimes exciting. Some of these guys are

1117
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: exciting to watch. So oh man, well this has been

1118
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: a whole lot of fun. YEA three shows here over

1119
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,479
Speaker 1: the last couple of days, A couple with our friend

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00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: Dame Brugler from the Athletic. Be sure to check him

1121
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: out because the next time we'll probably hear from Dane

1122
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: the Beast will probably be out there. Hopefully. What's the

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00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: due date? Are you? What are you getting that out there?

1124
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: It's that first weekend April. That's always the goal. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I really a month from now hopefully we're

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00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: putting the final touches on. I want to get all

1127
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: the prote information in there, and that goes up until

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Speaker 1: that first week in April. Um, you know it's important

1129
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: to get all that data in there. So it's the

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Speaker 1: month of March. The month of March doesn't happen for me.

1131
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: It's it's just it's strictly finishing in watching these guys

1132
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: bring sunlight. No, no such thing in March. But once

1133
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 1: the draft guy's out in April, then I can. I'll

1134
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: hit send on that tweet that says hey guys, here

1135
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: it is, and then put my phone down, take the

1136
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: dog for a walk, try to take a deep breath,

1137
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: come back, and my phone will be blowing up with

1138
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: why'd you have him here? That's all right, we'll deal

1139
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: with that. Then we'll get there. No, it's crazy. I

1140
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: went to the draft last year on my own, before

1141
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: Yes started doing any of this. Funniest thing was people

1142
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: carrying around the beast like it was a bible. They

1143
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: had it like like like it was a Bible like

1144
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 1: it was. It was so many people out there caring around.

1145
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, that is not no bible. The funny it

1146
00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:01,479
Speaker 1: is it basically like I always enjoy when they show

1147
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: snapshots from a war room or an NFL team and

1148
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: and then you have all humble about it. I mean, yeah,

1149
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: there's only a couple more years left of Dane Brugler

1150
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: doing this media stuff being a normal guy. He's gonna

1151
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: be interviewing like, yeah, that's fair, that's fair. Everything's on

1152
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Speaker 1: the table, Dane, Thanks so much. It's always a pleasure,

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again down the line for Asia Morrison,

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Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeoman's for our producer Alex Lilly behind the camera,

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Speaker 1: setting all of this up this week on Radio Row,

1156
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: saying so long from Indianapolis. We'll see you back at

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Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco on Wednesday with more of the

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Speaker 1: Draft show, presented by Miller White. This has been a

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Speaker 1: production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: Football Club.