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Speaker 1: Hello, I'm Scott, I'm Evan Nobi Williams. Man, if you

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Speaker 1: guys would here put coats on before these mics go on.

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Speaker 1: I'm Michael Barr and this is the Bloomberg Business of

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Speaker 1: Sports podcast where we all three of us participating. Way

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Speaker 1: to Go, E hyphen W explore in the world of

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Speaker 1: sports and lots to talk about. Let's starts. Just give

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Speaker 1: me your take first, because I like to push away

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Speaker 1: the mic and go it's the Michael Barshaw. Look, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know said we have to think of it

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Speaker 1: You don't hit another person, you don't hit another woman,

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Speaker 1: You ever hear this this saying A smart man learns

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Speaker 1: the mistakes of others. But on the business, on the

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Speaker 1: gonna go to Macro. I'm gonna go on the business

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Speaker 1: of the NFL. And I saw Amy Trask, the former

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Speaker 1: this stuff? Do they really care? And she boils it

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Speaker 1: down to, of course they care because it's a business matter.

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Speaker 1: If people turn away from the NFL, because this is

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Speaker 1: just a bit from a business perspective, forget about the

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Speaker 1: social forget a right right wrong dollar. Since since does

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Speaker 1: the NFL care, she says, yes, they care from a

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Speaker 1: business perspective, Then why can't they learn from the past

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Speaker 1: where only after a video comes out does a bigger,

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Speaker 1: stiffer punishment happen When it seems they knew what happened,

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Speaker 1: did the NFL discourage the team from going to get

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Speaker 1: They tried their investigation, then it dissuaded the team from

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Speaker 1: trying to get it. Then how did TMC get it. Well,

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Speaker 1: to be fired. Because what he's like, what I do.

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Speaker 1: My job is to make sure I've got relationships with

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Speaker 1: to acquire that that Bomber said, he needs to be fired. Sure, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the I'm I didn't see the Amy Trash video you're

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Speaker 1: I don't think if the Kansas City Chiefs didn't do

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Speaker 1: the NFL. But they the chief said, look, I know

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Speaker 1: I didn't even I honestly didn't even mean it from

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Speaker 1: a Teflon standpoint. I see. I see big differences between

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Speaker 1: out what Kareem Hunt did or the game. Yes, by

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Speaker 1: waiting for him. Speaking of football fan duel, they're already

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Speaker 1: They'll often allow you to bet on man City and

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Speaker 1: to Fanatics, the world's largest seller of licensed sports peril.

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Speaker 1: They're branching out into competitive video gaming. Yeah, just another

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