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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show, we

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Speaker 2: will be reacting a great deal to the indictment of

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump and his statements afterwards, as well as the

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Speaker 2: media reactions to said statements. We have got absolutely loaded

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Speaker 2: program Today. We're going to be joined by former Vice

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Speaker 2: President Mike Pence for his first appearance on the show

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Speaker 2: since he has announced for president.

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Speaker 3: What will he say? We will discuss.

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Speaker 2: Also, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich will be with us

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Speaker 2: as well, analyzing, I bet in a fairly significant fashion,

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Speaker 2: everything that's going on in the Trump case and beyond. Plus,

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Speaker 2: there's a really interesting precedent Wall Street Journal editorial discussing

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Speaker 2: tapes that were kept in Bill Clinton's sock drawer, and

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Speaker 2: that probably sets off some alarm bells all over the place.

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Speaker 2: These were audio tapes that dealt with the interviews that

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Speaker 2: he was doing with historian Taylor Branch and how the

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Speaker 2: precedent in that case might implicate in some ways the

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Speaker 2: situation surrounding Donald Trump and the allegations that have been

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Speaker 2: brought to bear against him. But we begin with the

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Speaker 2: fallout over the Trump indictment. And if you thought to yourself, well,

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Speaker 2: maybe in the wake of this indictment, there will be

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Speaker 2: a change in direction for how MSNBC and CNN cover

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, the answer is there has not been. He

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Speaker 2: is still the sweet, sugary flavored drink that they cannot

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Speaker 2: say no to. He is the sugar cookie on the

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Speaker 2: table that you take more of than you wanted to.

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Speaker 2: Let's play this couple of different things. I thought Trump

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Speaker 2: buck really smartly. In the immediate aftermath of his appearance

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Speaker 2: in the Miami courthouse, he went to the Cuban restaurant Versailles,

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Speaker 2: which is super popular. It may be pronounced Versailles. I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure exactly how it's pronounced, because there is a

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Speaker 2: town right now. People are probably listening to us there Versailles, Kentucky,

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Speaker 2: which was named after Versailles the Palace. I have been

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Speaker 2: to this restaurant. Do you know the pronunciation? Since you

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Speaker 3: Want to say it's Versailles.

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Speaker 4: I have not yet been, but I have been to

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Speaker 4: Little Havana before, two similar establishments.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I have been there back in the day and

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Speaker 2: enjoyed eating there. Here is Cut four of Trump buying

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Speaker 2: food for a lot of people at this Cuban restaurant

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Speaker 2: right after arraignment.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I'm good. Are you okay?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you can hear what's going on there. This

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Speaker 2: is airing on CNN. Buck, did you hear your buddy

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Speaker 2: Jake Tapper just say we cannot allow this to continue

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Speaker 2: to air. Here's cut five, CNN being really upset that

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Speaker 2: Trump went to the restaurant in Miami.

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Speaker 3: Despite whatever may be going on in that restaurant.

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Speaker 5: This case isn't going to be settled legally in a cafe.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be settled in the corporate fact law.

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Speaker 2: The folks in the control room, I don't need to

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Speaker 3: This he's trying to turn this, and he's trying to

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Speaker 3: turn it into a spectacle, into a campaign ad. That's

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Speaker 3: enough of that. We've seen it already. Well.

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Speaker 2: The idea that CNN Buck would say that this is

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Speaker 2: too much of a spectacle, after the way they have

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Speaker 2: covered the entire Trump presidency as if it is a

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Speaker 4: There absolutely is, And I would just point out Trump

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Speaker 4: recognizes something here which is in a strange way or

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Speaker 4: of coming to grips with. This whole thing is now

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Speaker 4: just a political question, right, it's the prosecution. The twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty four election, the people will be the ultimate referendum

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Speaker 4: on all this, one way or the other. So the

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Speaker 4: usual standards of a defendant, because he is now a defendant,

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Speaker 4: to the press, all of that is out the window.

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Speaker 4: He knows that the primary defense against this, And this

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Speaker 4: is why I think. You know, you're hearing a lot

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Speaker 4: of people, including people who are very smart on the law,

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Speaker 4: understand the law very well. You know, they've had slightly

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Speaker 4: different takes on it. All of them say that the

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Speaker 4: prison sentences. The federal government has something like a ninety

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Speaker 4: eight or ninety nine percent conviction rate, et cetera. But

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Speaker 4: hold on, none of that matters, because none of these

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Speaker 4: required to put the country into a new era, which

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Speaker 4: is what we're in now. We're in a you prosecute

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Speaker 4: I mean you could say, well, I was gonna say,

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Speaker 4: after that that conflagration. So anyway, I think it's it's

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Speaker 4: just noteworthy here that you have people that are almost

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Speaker 4: arguing different things. On the one hand, you have many people,

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Speaker 4: not even just Trump supporters, who are arguing this, All

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Speaker 4: that matters is how political this is. All that matters

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Speaker 4: is how blatant, uh, the politics behind this decision and

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Speaker 4: what it does to the country and what it does

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Speaker 3: On the other side, you have people are.

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Speaker 4: Saying, oh, but you know, the obstruction and he should

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Speaker 4: on them, and all that does you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: They're not even one side is arguing entirely politics. The

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Speaker 4: other side is arguing law, and those two things can't

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Speaker 4: really be separated at all. Here one is driving the other.

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Speaker 2: My civil nerd alarms, civil war nerddom alarms started to

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Speaker 2: the wake of the Civil War. No Confederate soldier Robert E.

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Speaker 2: point to, John Bellhood. Again, these are nerdy names that

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Speaker 2: Civil War officionados like me, which probably represents a tiny

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Speaker 2: none of them went to prison. None of those people

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Speaker 2: were put in present prison. Obviously, Lincoln was assassinated, Andrew

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Speaker 2: the idea was, in the wake of the Civil War,

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Speaker 2: And it is kind of crazy, even Jefferson Davis. And

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Speaker 2: Jefferson Davis spent under confinement. He was only in confinement

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Speaker 2: a fascinating legal question. Jefferson Davis's philosophy from a legal perspective,

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Speaker 2: That's a background story there, but that you brought it up,

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Speaker 2: it's such a good point because even in the wake

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Speaker 2: of this nation would be, the intent of the North

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Speaker 2: was not to imprison its adversaries, which is the exact

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Speaker 2: opposite of what's trying to go on right now.

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Speaker 3: It's wild.

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Speaker 4: There is a threshold here, the ultimate threshold here. You know,

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Speaker 4: there are places in the law where you can see

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Speaker 4: that the good of the nation becomes more important than

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Speaker 4: the concept of the law is the law. Pardon power

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Speaker 4: federal crimes is effectively absolute, unreviewable, and we have that

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Speaker 4: so that you can bring about either some form of

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Speaker 4: healing or justice or forgiveness or reconciliation. And that's why

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Speaker 4: we have a pardon power in the executive branch. Now

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Speaker 4: you look at what's going on here and the threshold

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Speaker 4: that should have to be crossed in order to take

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Speaker 4: such an extreme action, and it's not even just it

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Speaker 4: would be an extreme action if it were just a

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Speaker 4: because that then changes the calculus.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've said this before.

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Speaker 4: Every third world hell hole that I either went to

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Speaker 4: obsession of the government how we stay in power and

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Speaker 4: how we don't get sent to prison if somebody else

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Speaker 4: comes to power. That's all they care about. Everything else

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Speaker 4: is totally secondary, right, even filling the not really anymore,

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Speaker 4: but the Swiss bank accounts of old with money that

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Speaker 4: they're pilfering from the state, et cetera. Right by prosecuting

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Speaker 4: a former president you're already entering that territory. By prosecuting

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Speaker 4: a current presidential nominee, you're upending the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 4: election cycle. And this is why the political question and

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Speaker 4: I think just reigned supreme for a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: Over all this other stuff.

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Speaker 4: We've discussed this, there's not an absolute threshold. You know,

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Speaker 4: if Trump got into a car and was drunk and

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Speaker 4: mowed down you know a few people in the crosswalk, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you got to go to prison for that. I don't

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Speaker 4: care who you are, right, Yeah, there's a real harm.

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Speaker 4: You and I have talked about this. What is the

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Speaker 4: harm with these documents? And then you put that in

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Speaker 4: the context of the other people who have done stuff.

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden had the classified stuff next to the corvette

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Speaker 4: the bribery scheme of Joe Biden, which I'm want to

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Speaker 4: talk about later, of the Biden family. There's clear charges

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Speaker 3: The whole thing.

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Speaker 4: People aren't even getting into like all under you know

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Speaker 4: US Federal Code, you know eleven, subsection two. They're looking

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Speaker 4: at this and they're just saying it just feels like

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Speaker 4: a partisan scam. And I don't know how to get

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Speaker 3: Or if we should.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying we should even get around that anybody. Well,

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Speaker 4: So when I have discussions with people, Clay, I look

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Speaker 4: we do with that? Then we get to what comes

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Speaker 4: next part of this because this is good. I think

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Speaker 4: a lot of the people who are here in Miami,

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Speaker 4: you know, protesting a favorite Trump, they're trying to lock

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Speaker 3: Guys, they really are.

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Speaker 4: I'm not even sure that that perception has fully settled in.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's enough of a transgression that they're that

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Speaker 4: they've brought the indictment.

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Speaker 3: But this isn't an New York.

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Speaker 4: I don't think anyone thinks he's going to prison, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean fair probably zero. I think almost a zero, yeah,

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Speaker 4: zero percent chance he's going to prison for that stuff

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Speaker 4: in New York. And and and in some sense, the

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Speaker 4: New York charges coming first just strengthened the case that

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Speaker 4: this is all obviously a political hit job. But I

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Speaker 4: What else are we supposed to see right now? Like,

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Speaker 3: Why? I think your point we hammered it home.

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Speaker 2: If somebody was, like you said, Trump got drunk and

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Speaker 4: Any honorable person would say, I don't care who you are,

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Speaker 2: Right, But they have all these papers. Who is the

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Speaker 4: And I do think everyone should be reminded of this too, Clay,

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Speaker 4: She had classified it's a violation of the Espionage Act.

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Speaker 4: But under the Espionage Act there is specifically a recklessness

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Speaker 3: He won't get one hundred years, but.

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Speaker 2: I agree, and that's why the one thing I will

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Speaker 1: Com, inspiring you to seek out the truth. The Clay

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Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Welcome back to him. You know,

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Speaker 6: I think two things are true today. Number one is

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Speaker 4: So you know, he's say you can't defend it, but

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Speaker 2: I think you can simultaneously buck be of two minds.

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Speaker 2: I think, in fact, every rational and reasonable person should

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Speaker 2: we'll continue to break this down. We've also got an

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Speaker 2: interesting call building on that Civil War history example. By

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Speaker 1: Travis and buck Sexton on the front Lines of truth.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. We were

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Speaker 4: And that was an actual insurrection, an actual an actual

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Speaker 4: insurrection is and a real war. Eric, you're the CEO

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Speaker 4: of a company that runs some historic sites in Tennessee.

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Speaker 4: You wanted to give some historical context. What do you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so quickly, thanks for taking my call. I couldn't

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Speaker 3: Didn't he do that? In eighteen sixty four?

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Speaker 5: But Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee in particular were

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Speaker 3: What sites, by the way, do you run.

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Speaker 5: Carterhouse, Carnton and Franklin, which I think you're probably familiar with,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so for people, thank you for the call, by

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Speaker 2: I live in Franklin, Tennessee Buck, which is basically a

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Speaker 3: And the Carter.

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Speaker 4: But I need to say something good context there. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: You know, I feel like you had a bunk bed

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Speaker 4: I really appreciate that those are some of the mildest

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Speaker 4: punishments for or an insurrection against a victorious army you'll

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Speaker 4: find ever in history, really right, I mean, that's a

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Speaker 4: lot of times you are on the wrong side of

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Speaker 4: you know, the leadership ends up getting hanged by the neck.

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Speaker 3: If that's I mean, that was the fear.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there were several Confederate leaders who tried to

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Speaker 2: flee and get outside the country. And but again they

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Speaker 2: didn't charge ever Jefferson Davis with any crimes.

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Speaker 4: But I think that at the core, yeah, there were

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Speaker 4: legal concerns. But to bring us back to the overall

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Speaker 4: thesis here about prosecuting a press. We're talking about Civil

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Speaker 4: war on the one hand, versus some documents in a.

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Speaker 3: Bath air buck.

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Speaker 2: But I mean what Biden has tried to do is

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Speaker 2: argue that our era is as dangerous as the Civil warrior.

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Speaker 3: He's specifically said that this is this.

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Speaker 4: Is where I'm going with it, right, the insurrection of

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Speaker 4: January sixth, they've created this whole narrative of Trump is

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Speaker 4: effectively as much a danger to the Union.

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Speaker 3: They have said, we could play the audio on this show.

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Speaker 4: They've said it on CNN and MSNBC, and you know

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Speaker 4: New York Times editorial page that this is worse than

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Speaker 4: nine to eleven, that you know, the January sixth we're

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Speaker 4: talking me now, worse than nine to eleven, the worst

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Speaker 4: thing we've seen since the Civil War, worse than the

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Speaker 4: bombing of Pearl Harbor. Some morons said that on MSNBC.

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Speaker 4: I think it was well, I don't want to say

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Speaker 4: I can't remember exactly, but I know it was said.

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Speaker 4: And with all of that, I think it's interesting that

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Speaker 4: we see what was done after the Civil War to

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Speaker 4: the leadership of the Confederacy, and there was a decision

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Speaker 4: that was made. Yeah, it was about the legal constitutional Okay,

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Speaker 4: what is in the best interests of the Union going forward?

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Speaker 3: Correct?

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Speaker 4: The overarching ultimate concern here, right, what is going to

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Speaker 4: be the best for the American people. And to make

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Speaker 4: the case that prosecuting a leading Republican president contender in

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Speaker 4: an election cycle, in an election year is in the

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Speaker 4: best interests of America. I mean, is I think just

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Speaker 4: obviously absurd and deeply damaging. And that's really where we are.

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Speaker 4: So I'm not saying on the legal side of the

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Speaker 4: clay you've said this, should Trump have handled things differently?

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Speaker 8: Was it?

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Speaker 3: Of course?

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Speaker 4: But so should Hillary, and so should Bill Clinton, and

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Speaker 4: so should you know, so should have a bunch of

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Speaker 4: people who either skated entirely or just never even fell

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Speaker 4: under the scrutiny that they deserve for their But we

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Speaker 4: understood it's different. It's different, and I think that's kind

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Speaker 4: of where we are now. For I know a lot

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Speaker 4: of people feel that way that because I'll you know,

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Speaker 4: if you start to see like they'll react to Bill

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Speaker 4: Barr gave that analysis where he said, I think he's

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Speaker 4: in a lot of trouble. Yeah, And I think legally speaking,

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Speaker 4: if he's if you're looking at Bill Barr as your

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Speaker 4: defense attorney, he's going to tell you that I think

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Speaker 4: he's correct. Look, you know's a lot more about the

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Speaker 4: law than I do. He's correct on the law, But

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Speaker 4: this is about something that is dare I say above

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Speaker 4: the law. But this is about the interests of the

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Speaker 4: nation and our unity and our ability to function as

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Speaker 4: a representative. As a representative, I'm actually as a republic

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Speaker 4: going forward. And I think it's just sort of settling

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Speaker 4: into everyone's minds that this is actually it's it's kind

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Speaker 4: of hard to believe that this is actually happening, right, Yeah, Second, special.

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Speaker 2: Process, who told you that this was going to happen. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, we told you for months, if not years,

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Speaker 2: that this was going to happen. And I'm still, I

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Speaker 2: mean stunned. I think it's fair to say I can't believe,

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Speaker 2: and I think you expected this. I can't believe that

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Speaker 2: they didn't, pray, preface the charges against Trump with the

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Speaker 2: charges against Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 4: Now because the system, this is the thing, there's so

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Speaker 4: little integrity or honor in the system that they have

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Speaker 4: nothing to protect.

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Speaker 3: That's that's how I view it.

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Speaker 4: They didn't even care about what the what the perception

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Speaker 4: of this move against Trump really is. Look, I'm not

515
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Speaker 4: trying to be a huge down on all this stuff.

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Speaker 4: I just think it's important to understand the gravity of

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Speaker 4: what has just happened. And it just happened down the

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Speaker 4: street from where I am, and the whole country is

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Speaker 4: aware of what's going on with the Trump indictment. But

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Speaker 4: I also would say, you know, maybe Trump wins. I mean,

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Speaker 4: this could be the we thought twenty sixteen was the

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Speaker 4: craziest political story that we would ever really see in

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Speaker 4: our lifetimes in American politics. Was anything going to be

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Speaker 4: more of a just of a spectacle of a surprise

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Speaker 4: ending than twenty sixteen. Maybe Clay were on the pathway

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Speaker 4: to seeing something like that in twenty twenty four, where

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Speaker 4: you have a guy who's indicted who then wins parted. So,

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Speaker 4: I mean, this could happen too. I'm not despairing. I'm

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Speaker 4: just trying to get a full context to where we are. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: not only that, Buck, I mean, sixteen was crazy. I

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Speaker 4: would argue twenty was even crazier because you had a

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Speaker 4: once in a century COVID pandemic that I think changed

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Speaker 4: the outcome of that election. I mean, so we're sitting

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Speaker 4: here in June. Who the hell knows what might happen

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Speaker 4: over the next eighteen months. And I do want to

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Speaker 4: just close with that discussion we had. I think it's

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Speaker 4: a good one.

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Speaker 2: The entire if Biden truly cared about uniting the country

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Speaker 2: and about restoring some sense of honor to the country,

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Speaker 2: there's a great historical analogy to be made to what

541
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Speaker 2: happened after the Civil War. The reason why, now, granted,

542
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Speaker 2: there were legal questions about whether secession was legal, which

543
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Speaker 2: made it harder to prove treason, because if you had

544
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Speaker 2: the constitutional ability to pull your state out, then that

545
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Speaker 2: was not treason, right. I think that's one big reason

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Speaker 2: why there were no charges. The other major reason why

547
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Speaker 2: there was no charges, Buck, is if you're going to

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Speaker 2: reunite the soul of a country, you can't do it

549
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Speaker 2: by deciding that you're going to hang all of the

550
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Speaker 2: leaders of the places that you want to come back

551
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Speaker 2: into comedy with the overall you, Right, it doesn't if

552
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Speaker 2: you hang Robert E. Lee, and if you hang Jefferson Davis,

553
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Speaker 2: and if you hang John Bellhood and Nathan Bedford Forrest

554
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Speaker 2: and all of these iconic Southern generals who survived the war,

555
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Speaker 2: then you are not going to create a sense of

556
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Speaker 2: reproachment going forward. What Biden is doing is tearing asunder

557
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Speaker 2: the nation with these charges. It's the exact opposite historically

558
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Speaker 2: of what happened in the wake of the Civil War,

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Speaker 2: which was a far far more divisive incident than Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump's presidency.

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Speaker 4: If they were doing the best interests of the country

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Speaker 4: as the top goal of all this, if that was

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Speaker 4: really the approach, the Democrats would say, look, there's some

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Speaker 4: document stuff whatever, We got the stuff back that we need.

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Speaker 3: Beat him at the ballot box. Yep, Biden would actually

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Speaker 3: pardon Trump. Fuck.

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Speaker 2: If he was truly a uniter, he would say, I

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Speaker 2: think Trump broke the law, but I think it's more

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Speaker 2: important that we not set the press and of charging

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Speaker 2: political adversaries. I'm going to beat Trump fair and square

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. That would be what a real

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Speaker 2: leader would say. I don't think Biden will say it.

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Speaker 2: I also don't think Biden's brain is even functional enough

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Speaker 2: to understand it. But I will say this, buck. They

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Speaker 2: make a big deal about all these historians that supposedly

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Speaker 2: meet with Joe Biden all the time. Shame on those

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Speaker 2: historians for not also speaking to the larger context of

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Speaker 2: history here and letting Biden know how shameful his behavior is.

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Speaker 4: That's what we're trying to get out here, which is

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Speaker 4: really when you look at this when you take a

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Speaker 4: step back from all the you know, the scrum, the fighting,

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Speaker 4: the back and forth that's going on here, there's something

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Speaker 4: deeply wrong about what the Democrats have just done and historically,

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Speaker 4: in the full context of the timeline of this country.

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Speaker 4: I think people will recognize that more. The good news

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Speaker 4: is it's not over. The good news is there's still

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Speaker 4: a jury. There's still the possibility that Trump wins this

588
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Speaker 4: whole thing, where that's a number of factors could play

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Speaker 4: out here where this is in quite the catastrophe for

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Speaker 4: our republic that it could be. But I do think

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Speaker 4: we have to keep in mind what the what the

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Speaker 3: Eight hundred eighty two to eight a two. Give us

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Clay and Bock. Thanks for being here

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Speaker 4: with us. Like I said earlier, we just want to

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Speaker 4: Speaker of the House. So mister Speaker will be with

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Speaker 4: Vice President Mike Pence.

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Speaker 3: He will be with us.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about why he's running, what he thinks about

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Speaker 4: the Trump indictment, and more so, definitely stick around for

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Speaker 4: that one. Let's get to Jim in Austin, Texas. Jim,

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Speaker 4: what do you think about all this?

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Speaker 5: Hey?

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Speaker 7: Love the show.

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Speaker 8: Thanks you taking Mike call. I think one thing that

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Speaker 8: just has troubled me and all of this is why

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Speaker 8: on earth is did Trump just not give these documents back?

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Speaker 8: Does he want them that badly? I mean, why is it?

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Speaker 8: It just kind of baffles as to why that is.

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Speaker 8: And I think it's maybe possible that he wants to

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Speaker 8: be indicted by this. And the reason that I say

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Speaker 8: that is that you kind of look at what are

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Speaker 8: the constant quinces of it. As you said earlier, you

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Speaker 8: didn't think Trump would ever go to jail. I agree

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Speaker 8: with that, and I think Trump probably agrees with that also,

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Speaker 8: And so you look at it now, you get Trump

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Speaker 8: twenty four to seven. There's really no room for other candidates,

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Speaker 8: all the errors out of the room except when they're

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Speaker 8: invited to comment about Trump, and every time I think.

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Speaker 3: It's an interesting thank you for the call. It's an

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Speaker 3: interesting theory.

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Speaker 2: I think Trump never thought they would charge him over this,

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Speaker 2: and it almost was daring them to charge him over this.

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Speaker 3: Buck.

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Speaker 2: But I think there's a difference between the stakes, right.

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Speaker 2: The stakes here are if you're wrong and if we're wrong.

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Speaker 2: I said I don't think of Miami jury will convict him.

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Speaker 2: I stand by that. I don't believe that they will

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Speaker 2: convict him over this. I could end up being wrong, certainly,

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Speaker 2: We'll see how this plays out. I'm not ever sure

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Speaker 2: that it goes to trial, but again, we'll see how

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Speaker 2: this plays But if they do, he could spend the

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Speaker 2: rest of his life in prison. That's a high level

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Speaker 2: of risk reward here. If they find him guilty, He's

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Speaker 2: going to prison. Everybody, which is crazy to say out loud,

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Speaker 2: but that is going to happen, and that is what

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Speaker 2: the Democrats, that is what the DJ wants. They're not

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Speaker 2: going to look at that as oh gosh, I can't

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Speaker 2: believe we've actually gotten to this point. They're going to

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Speaker 2: look at it as finally, it took us seven or

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Speaker 2: eight years or whatever it ends up being, but we

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Speaker 2: finally got him. Randy and Melbourne, Florida. You got some

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Speaker 2: thoughts on this, Randy, what's up? Randy going once?

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Speaker 7: Yeh, good morning, Thanks for taking my call. I think

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Speaker 7: you're doing a disservice by saying Trump could have done

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Speaker 7: something different. I think most of us believe that Biden

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Speaker 7: was going to charge him for something anyway, and if

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Speaker 7: he just returned the documents quote unquote on time, they

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Speaker 7: would still look at him a secret and still charge him.

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Speaker 2: Well, they didn't charge him for any of the documents

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Speaker 2: that they took before they did to mar A Lago rate,

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Speaker 2: So I disagree with that theory.

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Speaker 4: I disagree too, So for what it's worth, I mean,

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Speaker 4: there's there's one thing to understand.

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Speaker 3: This is political.

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Speaker 4: It's nothing to say that there's nothing that could have

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Speaker 4: gone differently here. I mean, obviously, you know when when

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Speaker 4: you get a subpoena from the DJ and you're now

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Speaker 4: a civilian. There's no special legal protection for a former president.

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Speaker 4: It is political custom that you would treat a former

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Speaker 4: president differently, and even a president candidate differently.

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Speaker 3: You know. I think that they they wanted this for sure,

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Speaker 3: but I.

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Speaker 2: Think Trump allowed the charges to happen. And I think again,

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Speaker 2: you can disagree with the charges being brought, which both

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Speaker 2: of us do aggressively, but also understand that Trump's behavior

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Speaker 2: with these documents was reckless and that allowed the charges

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Speaker 2: to be brought ted.

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Speaker 4: Cruz talked about the FBI whistle blower about Biden corruption.

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Speaker 3: Let's dive into that next