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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, welcome back to Killers amongst Us,

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. You think you

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Speaker 1: found the one you really got to catch, even though

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Speaker 1: all your friends are saying no, no, no, he slash,

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Speaker 1: she is poison, get away, but they just don't understand.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Killers amongst Us. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: being with us. Take a listen to this. What's going on? Um?

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Speaker 1: So what's going on? He's dead? He's in his bedroom, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I want to know what some room last time I

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Speaker 1: here listening, you're hearing a very disjointed but shocking nine

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of

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Speaker 1: True Crime Network. We're now New York psychologist Karen Stark

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Speaker 1: at Karen Stark dot com, legal commentator, cast member Radical

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Speaker 1: Body Transformation Season three, Amazon Prime, and author I've trapped

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Speaker 1: with miss Arius kirk Nurmi at Kirknermi dot com. But

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Speaker 1: to Chris Hughes, longtime friend of Travis Alexander, inspirational speaker,

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Speaker 1: author of a number one Amazon bestseller, Our Friend Travis,

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Speaker 1: The Travis Alexander's Story, Chris uses with us, Chris, do

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Speaker 1: you remember when Travis's body was found stabbed over twenty

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Speaker 1: when your client with her digiKam takes photos of herself

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Speaker 1: not judging it, but how exactly do you take selfies

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Speaker 1: were definitely attacked against me. The reality was there. And

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Speaker 1: keep in mind, this wasn't just a murder case, this

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Speaker 1: was a death penalty case. I had to begin to

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Speaker 1: figure out a way to try to save miss Harris's life.

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Speaker 1: Sad became my priority. That's really hard when your client

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Speaker 1: goes on TV and changes stories, including a male and

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Speaker 1: a female ninja did it? Chris, he's joining me a

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Speaker 1: longtime friend of Travis Alexander's, Chris, Well, you heard they.

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Speaker 1: I didn't do it, changed too, a man and a

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Speaker 1: woman ninja did it? And I fled to save my

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Speaker 1: own life. How did that strike you? It's preposterous, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what else to say. It's

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Speaker 1: just it's where where was she going with that? And

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Speaker 1: you know what's interesting about Jodi Arius who there's lots

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Speaker 1: obviously interesting, But she says that that as she was

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Speaker 1: leaving the house, she said, quote, I did something I

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Speaker 1: was ashamed of. She said there was a little girl

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Speaker 1: Jody said that she backed up without looking behind her.

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Speaker 1: So no mention of leaving Travis Alexander, you know, dying

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Speaker 1: inside this house at the hands of these two ninjas.

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Speaker 1: She was ashamed of herself for backing out of the

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Speaker 1: driveway without looking behind her as it moves forward. I

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Speaker 1: want you to take a list mite evidence is mounting.

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Speaker 1: Take a Listen to our cut thirty two. This is

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Speaker 1: ABC's Ryan Owens, but prosecutors alleged Arius is a stalker

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Speaker 1: who brutally attacked her x in a jealous rage when

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Speaker 1: she found out he was seeing other women. Arius's defense,

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Speaker 1: which is expected to start next week, will have to

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Speaker 1: overcome a mountain of forensic evidence, including pictures taken on

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Speaker 1: this camera found in Alexander's washing machine. Prosecutors say Arias

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Speaker 1: literally tried to wash that evidence away, but on its

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Speaker 1: memory card, detectives discovered not just those racy photos from

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Speaker 1: the couple's sexual encounter the day of the murder, but

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Speaker 1: a series of twenty shots of Alexander posing in the

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Speaker 1: shower minutes before his death. Prosecutors say Arias put down

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Speaker 1: the camera and picked up a knife, stabbing her unsuspecting victim.

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Speaker 1: The most damning picture comes after the camera was dropped.

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Speaker 1: It's too graphic for us to show, but the jury

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Speaker 1: saw a shot of what appears to be Arias actually

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Speaker 1: moving the bloody body. Prosecutors say she was especially cold

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Speaker 1: blooded after the crime. They played this voicemail areas left

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Speaker 1: on Alexander's phone a few hours after she killed him.

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Speaker 1: Morbidly enough, she invited a man she knew was dead

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Speaker 1: to come visit her. Karen Starr and your psychologist, did

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Speaker 1: you just hear that she leaves a message on Travis's

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Speaker 1: phone after she kills him, inviting him to visit her. Well,

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Speaker 1: that shows you, Nancy, doesn't it That she is so

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Speaker 1: start when it comes to trying to cover her trucks,

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Speaker 1: and she knew exactly what she was doing, so she

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Speaker 1: wanted it to look like she knew nothing, hadn't been involved,

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Speaker 1: and she was just innocently calling him to invite him

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Speaker 1: to come visit her. And that is not a person

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Speaker 1: who didn't know right from wrong, which has so much

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Speaker 1: to do with her being a psychopath. She's smart, she

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Speaker 1: knew exactly what she was doing and has no feeling

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Speaker 1: about it during the police interrogation. Of course, we see

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Speaker 1: Arius on close circuit TV doing headstands and singing and

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Speaker 1: talking to herself. But you gotta hand it to Venoman

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Speaker 1: defense attorney Kirk Nermie who is left wondering what am

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Speaker 1: I gonna do? Now, take a listen to Kirk Nermie

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Speaker 1: and a valiant hill Mary in court. Something did happen

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Speaker 1: in this moment of time. And the point of this,

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Speaker 1: I think is what this evidence shows you is that

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Speaker 1: either what happen is that Jody Aris defended herself and

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Speaker 1: didn't know when to stop, or she gave in to

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Speaker 1: a sudden heat of passion from a fight that began

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Speaker 1: up in that bathroom. And then what she did she

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Speaker 1: did under that sudden heat of passion demonstrative of that

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Speaker 1: is this idea. She doesn't remember any of it. So

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying to you, ladies and gentlemen is, ultimately,

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Speaker 1: if miss Airis is guilty of any crime at all,

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Speaker 1: it is the crime of manslaughter and nothing more. Chris Hughes,

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Speaker 1: where were you when the guilty artic was announced within

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Speaker 1: the courtroom? Can you describe that moment? Yeah? I mean

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Speaker 1: it felt like it would never come, and every second

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Speaker 1: felt like an eternity. And I remember my heart I

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Speaker 1: felt like it was, you know, going to beat out

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Speaker 1: of my chest. And I remember feeling short of breath

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Speaker 1: and always having to remind myself to breathe and taking

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Speaker 1: deep breaths, and you know, it feels it almost as

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Speaker 1: I look back now. I mean, it feels like a

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Speaker 1: dream state. But when we got the guilty verdict, you know,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't make any of this go away, right. It

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Speaker 1: was a weird thing. You'd think that there would be

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Speaker 1: some sort of relief, and I guess there was some

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Speaker 1: relief to a degree, but it just wasn't what I

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Speaker 1: had hoped, you know, because I realized in that moment

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Speaker 1: that she was guilty. Travis wasn't coming back. Killers amongst

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Speaker 1: us justice. Aires is convicted. She is making money behind bars,

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Speaker 1: selling her quote artwork and fleecing the love lorn man

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Speaker 1: who actually send her money. She's actually just been thrown

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Speaker 1: a bone. She is in a lessened security area of

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Speaker 1: the jail. I don't know what they're thinking. Was it

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Speaker 1: justice maybe, But for friends and family, there is no justice.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Killers amongst us, signing off goodbye friend,