1 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory. 2 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes along with the delightful Lance Lynn the other 3 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: two guys. We change start times and everything. Lance, you're 4 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: always here and I appreciate that about you. 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they seem to always be busy right around 6 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: this time. It doesn't matter when we start. They're always 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: running the light. I will say, the later we start, 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 2: the worst it is for me. 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Hit 19 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: that subscribe button. Now. The cards did make a move 20 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: this week. Lance wasn't a big move, but it was 21 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: a move. They claimed off waivers a guy by the 22 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: name of Brian Ramos. Now, for the record, I'm Bloomson 23 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 1: on km OX the other day that they're still in 24 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: pursuit of a right handed bag but Rainbows. They claimed 25 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: him off right waivers from the Orioles put him on 26 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: the forty. Man played in thirty six games with the 27 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: White Sox over the last two seasons. Made his big 28 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: league debut back in twenty twenty four at Bush Stadium. 29 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: And he's a guy who plays some infield, plays some outfield, 30 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: right handed bat, and showed some pop at triple A. 31 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: So Lancewhill, this isn't the move I think Cardinal fans 32 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: were hoping for. It seems like a no break. You 33 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,279 Speaker 1: get a guy who has some potential, still young, twenty 34 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: three years old, guy out of Cuba, who doesn't cost 35 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: you anything and maybe something, so it seems like kind 36 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: of a no risk move. 37 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it fits all of the the holes in their roster. 38 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: I guess that you would would would add like place third, 39 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: can play the outfield, H's right handed. So that's everything 40 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: that you know they've been looking for. And you do 41 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: it with you know, big league minimum. You know, obviously 42 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: you got to see if he can do it at 43 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: the big league level. He hasn't really gotten a whole 44 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: lot of at bats or anything like that. But the 45 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: power numbers have been there in the minor leagues. The 46 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: whole group kind of he kind of fits into the 47 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: whole group, right. We need to see what Gorman does. 48 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: Walker does. All these guys that are going to be 49 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: in the same boat with him have good numbers in 50 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: the minor leagues. It's time to establish yourself as a 51 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: major leaguer and he's going to have. You know, maybe 52 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: this will give him some right handed at bats regularly 53 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 2: if he makes the club. But it's a depth piece too. 54 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: At the same time, when when guys get get hurt 55 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: or whatever throughout the year. He's a guy to can 56 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: play multiple positions, and if he turned some of that 57 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 2: minor league power into major league power, then you got 58 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: to steal. 59 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: If this is the move that they're making again. Him 60 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: said the other day on came OAX that if still 61 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: is a right handed bet that pursue wing, they just 62 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: haven't lined it up yet. If they don't do that. 63 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: As a Cardinal fan, how disappointed would you be? 64 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: I mean, the whatever bat that you're going to get 65 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: isn't going to make you a playoff team, So I 66 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: don't know. You know, the it hasn't lined up yet 67 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: because they don't want to pay anybody anything because they 68 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: they're trying to get a veteran. They can do some 69 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: at bats, but they can have trade value at the deadline, 70 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: so that you're you know where you're at right now, 71 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 2: is you grer grit Chick's somebody like that. I don't 72 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: think anybody's going to be overwhelmed with whoever they get anyways, 73 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 2: because it's not going to be a fifteen million or 74 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: ten to fifteen million dollar guy that's a you know, 75 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: a lineup changing or altering, season altering signing. He's a 76 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: guy that's gonna come in. He's gonna platton, he's going 77 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: to hit right handed. He's gonna you know, give days 78 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: off for you know, certain a couple of these lefties 79 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: here and there, and then if he has a good 80 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 2: first half, he's gonna get traded at the deadline. So 81 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: I don't know if anything really is going to pop 82 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 2: off to make the Cardinals fans excited about what the 83 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 2: season is gonna bring. He's just there to help young 84 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 2: guys until he gets traded. 85 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: Whoever. This may be all right, Having said and what 86 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: you said, I think is fair and reasonable. But as 87 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: a Cardinal fan, which I am, I still want the 88 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: Cardinals to field the best team they possibly can and 89 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: then see how everything unfolds. Like granted it's a rebuild. 90 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: No one's saying World Series, But am I wrong for 91 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: saying no? I want them to get the best a 92 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: small because the more games they win, the more fun 93 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,559 Speaker 1: it'll be to watch a developing young team. Yeah. 94 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 2: I mean, if you develop winning, that's always huge for 95 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: what you got going on. The group that's there needs 96 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: to play. So you don't want to sign someone that's 97 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 2: going to take or block at bats for certain people 98 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: and a person that is any good and they want 99 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: to play for a winning team and they want guaranteed 100 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 2: at bats, so it's going to be a problem or 101 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 2: hard to find. This bat probably won't be signed until 102 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 2: the end of February, maybe the first of March, when 103 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 2: he has nowhere else to go. That's what you're waiting on, 104 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 2: And it's going to be in the price point where 105 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 2: they're okay with it, where it's not cost him. 106 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: A bunch of money. 107 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 2: I mean, Azuna just signed for one for thirteen with 108 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: the Pirates or twelve with Pirates, like that's in a bat, 109 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 2: that's a lineup changing bat. But the Cardinals are not 110 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: going to be in that ballpark, but the Pirates are. 111 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 2: So it's an interesting little offseason. 112 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: It really is. Let me ask you this too, Like 113 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: Ozona is a guy who can help a lot of 114 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: teams with his bad right, and you've been in this 115 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: situation for the guys that are still on the board 116 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: looking for their next job, even if it's one year. 117 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: How much does it hurt the Cardinals that it is 118 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: a rebuild guys that maybe they could be in on 119 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: even if they weren't looking to spend a ton of 120 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: money in years past, as opposed to this year, where 121 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes, this is a rebuild year 122 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: and maybe some veterans are looking for a team with 123 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: a better shot. 124 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's where if you where the money 125 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 2: is going to line up, right, you get to a 126 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 2: point where you are in this offseason, or if you 127 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: want me to go to a rebuild, or you want 128 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 2: me to be a veteran leadership guy, you're going to 129 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 2: have to, you know, make it worth my while and 130 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 2: give me a chance to put numbers up so I 131 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: can get traded and have some value next year. The 132 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 2: problem that the Cardinals have right now is the person 133 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: that they're looking for. 134 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: They don't. 135 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: It's not the guys are the for every day at 136 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: bats and this and that, where they can get opportunities 137 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 2: to up their value not only for next year, but 138 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: also at the trade deadline. So it's a weird little fit. 139 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 2: You're getting to the point of the off season two 140 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: where there's guys that are you know, you can maybe 141 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: get for a two year deal, and you're thinking, and 142 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 2: everybody like, well would why would the Cardinals do that? 143 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: But if you look at the roster, these are the 144 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: still still the same spots that are going to be 145 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: a problem next offseason. So maybe you get a guy 146 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: on a two year deal with a v a little 147 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: less where he's a guy that can be here for 148 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: multiple years and do the things you need to do, 149 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: and you can kind of help the mold your roster 150 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: the way you want to and say, hey, here's what 151 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: I want to look like next year too, and this 152 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: guy can help me in both ways, and he's a 153 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: veteran in this and that, and I give him a 154 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: two year deal because there's no money on the books, 155 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 2: no guaranteed money on the books after this year for anybody. Technically, 156 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: everybody's are only money guaranteed right now is the money 157 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: they got to pay for all the guys they traded. 158 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: So you can really kind of look ahead and be like, oh, 159 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: this could be a really good piece to be a 160 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: part of what we're going to do here the next 161 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 2: three to four years. So it be interesting if they 162 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: find any of those guys that have kind of come 163 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: down on their asking price or something like that, that 164 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: it might still be on the board. That could be 165 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: a fun little thing for him to look into. If 166 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: that's if that's possible. 167 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: Maybe well, because trades still a possibility, And that brings 168 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: me back to some we've talked about. One of the 169 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: guys that you would figure would be a good trade 170 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: bake piece would be Jojo. And you know, time keeps 171 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: getting getting closer and closer to the regular season, So 172 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to circle back. Do you think Jojo is 173 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: a cardinal by the time the cards depart Florida? 174 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: I mean, if you're doing this whole thing, I would 175 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: say you should trade him because of how relievers can go. 176 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: You know, they can go one year great, one year bad, 177 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: and it's just a you know, if you look at 178 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: it that way, you're running a risk. If you're going 179 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 2: to trade him at the deadline, or that's the thought, 180 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: or he's going to be a free agent, then you 181 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 2: get no value for him if he has a bad 182 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: little stretch. But when the market is all right, there's 183 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 2: probably some still relievers out there that are are you 184 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 2: got to sign and you know you're gonna be kind 185 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: of waiting for a team that didn't get what they want, 186 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 2: and or you're in spring training and a guy on 187 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: a team that's going to be a contender he gets 188 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: hurt and then it's okay, hey, that's might he might 189 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 2: be when you strike. So if you're fully like on 190 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 2: board with the rebuild, you trade Jojo for the best 191 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 2: piece you can get before he the possibility of him 192 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: having a downstretch and not being having the value at 193 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 2: the trade deadline. That being said, you talk about Lars right, 194 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: they're talking about him. The injury is the only reason 195 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: he hasn't been traded. He's going to go show everybody's healthy. 196 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: So his value is probably lower than it is than 197 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: it's going to be at the trade deadline because you've 198 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 2: got to go show that your you know your feet 199 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: are good and you're able to play. And then once 200 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: he's able to do that, I think he could get 201 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 2: traded in a spot where it might even be up 202 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: to the deadline. He could be gone before when the 203 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 2: team wants to make a move and they know they 204 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: need that left handed bat anyway, So he could be 205 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: gone before you know, you even get to the deadline 206 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: as it approaches. 207 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: One other question before we move on about the Cardinals' 208 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: trade potential. They have three catchers in their top ten prospects, 209 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: three which is unheard of. Not to mention, you got 210 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: three guys on your major league roster who have shown 211 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: pretty well what they can do. I'm just curious. I 212 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: mean a lot depends on whether or not, or whatever 213 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: it can actually be the catcher he thinks he can. Mike, 214 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: My question is you have Joejoe, you have other pieces. 215 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: Wouldn't you think you take one of these catching prospects 216 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: where they have three of them, you'd be able to 217 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: package that up and get something fairly nice in return. 218 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 2: You think so, But you always need good catching, and 219 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: especially if you have it as a as a surplus. 220 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: Herrera's got you gotta wait and see if he can catch, 221 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: and Pedro is such a great catch and throw guy. 222 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 2: The question is, you know, can he can? They? Then 223 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: can the bat do enough to be an everyday catcher? 224 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 2: I think that question. I think he can, but I 225 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: think some teams might see him as a as a 226 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 2: backup or a platoon catcher type thing. So when you're 227 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 2: looking at that and the other guys are kind of young, 228 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: uh so you got to kind of wait and see 229 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 2: what everybody's gonna do. And then when it comes time 230 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 2: to hey, we're gonna be competing. I think that's when 231 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: you package him right when you know you're going for it. 232 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 2: That's when you go get what you want, or you 233 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 2: go get that final piece and you're okay with giving 234 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: up a you know, a couple couple of good prospects 235 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: because you know this is the piece right now, you 236 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 2: don't know what the pieces are you gotta. You're kind 237 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 2: of waiting to see how they all fit together now 238 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 2: on your major league roster. So let them all kind 239 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: of play him grow another year, see what pieces you need, 240 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 2: see how you do, how you develop, and then go 241 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 2: from there when it's like, hey, I need this a 242 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 2: starting pitcher or I need this bat and I can 243 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: trade these guys, and I'm okay with it because I 244 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: know I'm getting the piece. It's gonna make me a 245 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 2: playoff contender or World Series contender. Then it's okay to 246 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: trade your your you know, your top somebody in your 247 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: top five prospects. 248 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: And for the record, I'm a harrier guy. When he 249 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: says he believes he can catch, I put stock in 250 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: it because he totally renovated his swing when he was 251 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: in the minors, worked his butt off, got the surgery 252 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: on the elbow to remove those pieces or whatever that 253 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 1: was stopping him from throwing. He said he was embarrassed 254 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 1: by the way he was throwing. So you know, when 255 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: he puts his mind to something, he usually gets it 256 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: done quick word. 257 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 2: We got to see how the ball comes out. We 258 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 2: got to catch It's not gonna be the problem. 259 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: He can catch it. 260 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: The question is going to throw it the second one 261 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 2: guy steals on, which is being kind of the thing 262 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: the last two years, which hopefully the bone spurt's gonna 263 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: help him actually feel like he can throw a normal 264 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: let it go. 265 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: So he told me, he said with the elbow thing, 266 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: he couldn't get the elbow in the right spot, and 267 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: he went to to a drive line and worked on 268 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: all that whatever they call that place. 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Where are you in terms of being ready 303 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: and what's some the mental state of mind at this 304 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: point for young pictures getting ready to report to camp. 305 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: At this point, you're you're you're pretty jacked, You're ready 306 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: to get into warm weather. You're ready to go down 307 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: there and start facing hitters. You know, I'd always be 308 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: my mind that I went into camp every year, uh, 309 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 2: with the the idea that I could get you three 310 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 2: outs when I showed up. So I was always trying 311 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 2: to be where I, you know, can be game ready, 312 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: I guess, for one, any type thing, and then you 313 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: can jump right into live VPS and and then go 314 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 2: from there where you're where you're built up enough because 315 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: you're going to have your your times when things you 316 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: know are going to be a little sore. So you 317 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: try to do as much as you can pretty much 318 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 2: from January twentieth on to like really do some updowns, 319 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: try to get different intensities so when you actually face hitters, 320 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: that intensity doesn't ramp up so much to where you 321 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: hurt yourself. So you kind of slowly get yourself sore. 322 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 2: You can get through it. Each intensity, multiple innings of IBP, 323 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: multiple innians and games give you a little bit more soretness, 324 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: So you're just slowly trying to build it up so 325 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 2: the jumps don't hurt you. They just developed some soreness. 326 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: It's like a callous and you callous it up and 327 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: you get ready for your next outing. 328 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: Now, there was a year where you shocked a lot 329 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: of people at spring training, probably run twenty thirteen where 330 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: Lance Lend has always been a little big boned, big 331 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: guy probably helps you as a picture. And I know 332 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: the Cardinals have been like, you gotta lose weight, you 333 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: gotta lose weight. So you you showed up one spring 334 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: as skinny Lance, So tell me how you lost the 335 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: weight and tell me the pressure that they put on 336 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: you to do that, and maybe the results, which, as 337 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: I recalled, weren't. 338 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 2: Break Yeah, it worked out. It ended up working out 339 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 2: for me. Twenty twelve is my first full year in 340 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 2: the big leagues, right, I made think of made like 341 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 2: twenty nine starts that year through the most innings I've 342 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: ever had in a season and all that, and they 343 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 2: were like, oh, the reason why you're tired or this 344 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: or that is because you're bigger. And I was like, well, 345 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 2: it could be the fact that the year before I 346 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 2: did Nott throw one hundred and sixty one hundred and 347 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 2: seventy inings. I only through like eighty five, so maybe 348 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 2: it was a big jumping innings. But no, everyone want 349 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: to blame the body. They didn't want to blame the 350 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 2: fact that I had a full season of major league 351 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: work for the first time in my life. So that 352 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: was the start of it, and they're like, oh, you 353 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 2: need to lose weight so you can be better throughout 354 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: a whole year. So I lost weight pretty much. You 355 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 2: just don't eat all off season. You just work out, 356 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 2: do all that stuff, and eat a lot of salads 357 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 2: and a lot of stuff that doesn't taste good. So 358 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: I did all that for a full off season. I 359 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: lost like forty pounds forty five pounds in the off season, 360 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: got the spring training and was throwing eighty eight and 361 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: they were like, hey, how you feel I go. I 362 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: feel great, I go, but I feel like I like, 363 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 2: I just got nothing on the ball. And then after 364 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 2: like two weeks of spring training and they were like, hey, 365 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 2: we think you should put some weight back on it. 366 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: And I was like, oh no shit. You know we 367 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 2: didn't see this coming, but you know, you had to 368 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 2: do what you're asked when when your stuff's not guaranteed. 369 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 2: The year before, I won eighteen games, made an All 370 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 2: Star team, but I was too fat. Came to spring 371 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 2: training the next year, couldn't break ninety miles an hour, 372 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 2: but I was too skinny. So then they were like, 373 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 2: oh here, So then I went that night, I got 374 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 2: a six pack and a large pizza put on fifteen 375 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 2: pounds by the end of spring training, and I was, 376 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 2: you know, back in the ballpark I needed to be 377 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 2: and to get through the season. 378 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: Who apologized to you for having you lose that weight today? No? 379 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 2: I remember MO one time was like, hey, well at 380 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 2: least we know that we don't have to tell you 381 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 2: lose weight anymore. And I was like, yeah, I can 382 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 2: go tell you to f yourself from here on out. 383 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: And he's like, that is correct. He goes, you just 384 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 2: go do you? And I go, okay, I appreciate it. 385 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: There's a lot of things. 386 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 2: Who's actually was it to lose weight? Could have been 387 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 2: most could have been Mike's you know who knows, but 388 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 2: you know, it end up, you know, ended up working out. 389 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: From then on. I could be like, hey, you know, 390 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: I'm good. Don't worry about me. 391 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: Because if you tell me to do things that I 392 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: don't want to do, they usually don't work out. 393 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: I did what they asked and it worked out real 394 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 2: well for me because I could tell them to you know, 395 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: stick it. I'm good. 396 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: Now. There's a lot of things about pitching, I mean, 397 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: little things about the mechanics that I don't care how 398 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: many games you watch. I don't care how many times 399 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: you've covered a game. I don't care how many times 400 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: you've been at second base as a major league play. 401 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: There are certain things about mechanics of pitching, and I'm 402 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: just curious for you pitching at a certain weight or 403 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: maybe sometimes a little above it, though there's mechanical things 404 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: behind that that make it work. Help me understand that. 405 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think everybody's body moves differently. For me, I 406 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 2: use my body and my weight the way to get 407 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 2: down the mound, the way to hide the ball, the 408 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: way to do all those things. And it just, you know, 409 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: I've been doing that my whole life, and it kind of, 410 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 2: you know, just it just worked. When you lose the weight, 411 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 2: you know, things could get you get more flexibility, You 412 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 2: get this and that that might be bad, might get 413 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 2: you out of sync, It might cause stress on certain areas, 414 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 2: or it might you know, you might just not have 415 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 2: the power that you once had. So and then there's 416 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 2: guys that you know, you can get too big where 417 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: you get next thing. You know, your your knees and 418 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: your back and you just can't quite get the ball 419 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 2: where you need to do because you can't get over 420 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: your you know, your front leg or something like that. 421 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 2: So I think everybody nowadays has got so many different 422 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 2: doctors and different you know, trainers and stuff. They work 423 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 2: with them get their body moving the way that it moves. 424 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 2: Back then, that wasn't really a thing. They had their 425 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 2: idea what they wanted you to look like and how 426 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 2: it's supposed to look. Now it's like, hey, his body 427 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 2: moves great with this size or this and that nothing's 428 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 2: blocking his movement patterns, and so they're able to do 429 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 2: the things they need to do, you know, mechanically to 430 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 2: get where they need to be. So you know, you 431 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: don't need to lose weight. There's you know, there's all 432 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 2: this science to prove that you're you're using your body 433 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 2: the way it is. And then sometimes it's like, hey, 434 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: I can't physically get to there. Why can't I get there? 435 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 2: What's because you're you know, your lacks of lack of 436 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 2: flexibility here, which is maybe you need to lose a 437 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: little weight so you can get more flexibility. And then 438 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: that's a different story. There's a scientific reason for losing 439 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 2: that weight or changing your something in your diet or 440 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: your workouts to get to where you need to go. 441 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 2: So you can physically mechanically move your body the way 442 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 2: it's supposed to do. So the game's changed a lot. 443 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: You have a lot more stuff that you can use 444 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 2: those things. Where back in the day it was like, oh, 445 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 2: you look tired at the end of the year, won't 446 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,239 Speaker 2: you won't you lose some weight? Well, it's like, well, 447 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 2: I've never thrown one hundred and eighty Indians in a 448 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: season in my life, so maybe that's why I was tired. 449 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 2: But no one, no one ever wanted to no one 450 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 2: ever wanted to admit to them. Maybe that's the reason I'm. 451 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: Gonna apologize since no one else. Well here's the thing. 452 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 2: Look at Libby last year. That's the same thing. But 453 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 2: nobody telling Libby lose weight. 454 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: Put it on. 455 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 2: You can get through it, through it, right. It's like, okay, 456 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 2: well we put some weight on. He might he might 457 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 2: his knee might go out or something like that. It's 458 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 2: just like, hey, why don't you let the guy build up. 459 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 2: He's never done it before. It's like, hey, well we 460 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 2: got to hear it. Now, we can add on. Now, 461 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 2: we can add on. But you know, go spot three 462 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 2: fifteen after you haven't squatted in a year. I promise you. 463 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: It's not going to feel good and you're not going 464 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 2: to get through it, but if you build yourself into it, 465 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 2: you might be able to get there. 466 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: I like it all right. Last thing, then I'm going 467 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: to let you go. When when a player at spring 468 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: training say they're a young guy and they hit three ten, 469 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: everyone like, this guy gets it. He's making the roster. 470 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: When a veteran doesn't perform well, especially pictures right, he's 471 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: working on some things right, some will say he's lost it. 472 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: To me, spring training is fool's goal. Like you can't 473 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: really judge what's going on because you don't know the 474 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 1: mindset of a player in that particular game. So when 475 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 1: you were at spring training, tell me what you were 476 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: going through and what the the results, whether or not 477 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: they mattered to you. 478 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 2: I think every game you had a different mindset of 479 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 2: what you wanted to get done, especially the older I got. 480 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 2: It was like, hey, I want to establish this pitch today, 481 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 2: or I hate the way this pitch feels, so I'm 482 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 2: going to throw it more today than I would ever 483 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 2: throw it in a game. You know, And it doesn't 484 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 2: matter what hitters in the box right he's or lefties. 485 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: I'm throwing it. I'm going to throw this pitch so 486 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: you get yourselves in like, oh, you give up a 487 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 2: bunch of hits today on this pitch. Well yeah, he 488 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 2: just kept throwing it because it's like, you got to 489 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 2: get that feel for a pitch. But when you're young, 490 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 2: when I first came in, it was, ok, I need 491 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: to make sure my four team is ready to go, 492 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 2: and I'm trying to get everybody out no matter what. 493 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 2: So I'm sticking to my bread and butter and you 494 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: don't really get to develop because of that at times. 495 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 2: But the older you get, it's like, okay, cool, my 496 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 2: sinker's stump so far the spring training, I am throwing 497 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 2: it as much as I can today, And then you 498 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: just sit there and you're like, okay, cool, I give 499 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 2: up six ground ball hits on my sinker. But I 500 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 2: finally got it so where I could. I was hit 501 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 2: my spot with it. Finally got there. But you know, hey, 502 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 2: the results weren't there, but hey, I got what I 503 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 2: needed out of it today. But I'm not going to 504 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 2: sit there and throw eighty two percent sinkers because that's 505 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 2: my fourth best pitch. I got what I needed to 506 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 2: get in. I got the feel for certain things, and 507 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 2: sometimes when when you get older, you're like, man, if 508 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 2: I just give up a bunch of runs in spring training, 509 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 2: maybe I won't give them up during the season. So 510 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 2: give up all your runs and hits in spring training 511 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: and then you know, turn the page in April when 512 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,239 Speaker 2: the lights turn on and you can actually, you know, 513 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 2: go through a game plan with a catcher. There was 514 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 2: times in spring training where I didn't even know who 515 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 2: was catching me that day until we walked into the ballpark, 516 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 2: and then I was like, Hey, cool, don't we don't 517 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 2: have a game plan and this and that. Here's what 518 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 2: I'm working on today. And you got to shake thirty 519 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 2: times to get to you know, what you need to 520 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 2: You don't even know the kid, especially if you've got 521 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 2: a young catcher that you've never seen before. So there's 522 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: so many different things. But when you're young, you come 523 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 2: in there and rip your best two pitches. You could 524 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 2: have a great spring training. And if you're a young hitter, 525 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 2: you can go in there and no one's ever seen 526 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 2: you know what you got, and you can get a 527 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 2: big league You're working on a sinker and that just 528 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: finds your barrel and you go two for three. That day, 529 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, he's ready for the big league. 530 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 2: He's like, no, I will never throw that kid that 531 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 2: pitch in a regular game. It's my worst pitch and 532 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 2: it's the only thing that finds his barrel. So there's 533 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 2: so many things that don't matter in spring training numbers wise, 534 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 2: that I definitely get overhypped. 535 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: Lance. I enjoyed today's program. A couple of things I 536 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: take away spring training is fools gold. And also, I 537 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: should feel no guilt when I go downstairs after this 538 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: and finish those wings that I didn't crush there on 539 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: the super Bowl. Because this is my playing wing. 540 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: You bone in her or bonus. 541 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: Bones, because that's the way a chicken wing. 542 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 2: Is meant to be eaten. Yes, that's the way it 543 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 2: was meant to be eaten. 544 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: And blue cheese or brains, please say blue cheese. 545 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 2: I so I'm good with both. I like, I like 546 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 2: both of them, and I actually go back and forth. 547 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 2: They're like, hey, what do you want blue cheese a ranch? 548 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 2: I was like, I'll take both, thank you. One wing 549 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 2: gets one and the next wing gets the next. I 550 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 2: just keep myself guessing. 551 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: Beautiful, Lance, Thanks as always. That's going to do it 552 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: for this edition of Cardinal Territory. We'll see you next 553 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: time for the next episode. Hopefully that one won't suck.