1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: From the Shrine Bowl in Las Vegas. This is the 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan Lazar and Alex Barr. 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: I'm Lazar, Alex Barns, Vegas, La Alex. Here is Evan 4 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barr, Vegas. Hello everybody, and welcome into 5 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: a new edition of the Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts, 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: coming to you from Raiders headquarters in Las Vegas. I've 7 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: heard somebody call the taj Mahal before once upon a time. 8 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: Here with Alex Barth as always, but we have a 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: very special guest with us today. It's the director of 10 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl, Eric Gaalco. Eric, we've had you on 11 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: our old show before. Now you have you on the 12 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: new show, which is pretty cool. And last year we 13 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: talked to you about the four Patriots that were drafted 14 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: from the Shrine Bowl. Now that they coached the game, 15 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: there's probably gonna be ten Patriots that we see in 16 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: training camp in August. But thanks so much for joining 17 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: us and we're happy to have you on. I appreciate 18 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: you have four or last year, and two more signed 19 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: out for the draft. I'm expecting the full Patriots draft 20 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: to come for the Shrine Balls. My expectations is official absolutely, 21 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: So for people that I don't notice quickly, Taekwon, Thornton, 22 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: Pierre Strong, Jack Jones, Sam Roberts, right, I got it. 23 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: For those are the four guys that were drafted by 24 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: the Patch, But they also signed some dfhas from the 25 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl and that wasn't even with Bill Belichick being 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: here and coaching the team. So I can only imagine 27 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: we have a bunch of questions for you about prospects, 28 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: but just in general, tell us a little bit about 29 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl and what type of kid is at 30 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl in terms of where they're going to 31 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: get drafted in the hopes of where they're gonna get Yeah, 32 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl is first off to benefits Tronos Children's 33 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: Hospital around the country too, so it allows the awayners 34 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: to be out though, as well as all all money 35 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: made at the stadium, ticket sales, sponsors, all that kind 36 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: of stuff ghost with the shying our children's hospital. But 37 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: as far as players, these players are here, it's our 38 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: job to mention these players are taking care of all 39 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: week long. They have practiced in the morning and interviews 40 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: in the afternoon and chance to impress NFL teams in 41 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: all sorts of ways too. But we'll have players here 42 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: that are first round picks, players that are all top 43 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: hundred picks, players that are late round picks, players like 44 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: Isaiah Pacheco, when Rock Purty who are after thoughts late 45 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: in the seventh round and end up started playoff games 46 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: and maybe going to late playoff runs and Super Bowl. 47 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: So it's a good mix of players all the way around, 48 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 1: all across the country, Power five Alabama, Georgia guys versus 49 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: guys from Wagner College and D two plays as well too. 50 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: So it's a good mix of guys all around the 51 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: draft and all o the country. Yeah. Absolutely, Isaiah Pacheco, 52 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: Alex and I go back and forth on that one. 53 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: How's the guy. Look, I got some good players in 54 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: the game last year. That's one more. Um, Pier will 55 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: be fine. Pier will be him. It's a lot of 56 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: speed too fast as forties last year. Yeah, the combine 57 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: right came from Yeah, so Speed Bowl. Could we'll have 58 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: more that this year too? Yeah? Um, But so that's 59 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: what the game's been. The new wrinkle this year is 60 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: the set up with the coaching staffs and having the 61 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: full NFL team versus coach of small different teams. What's 62 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: it been like to have Bill Belichick? And I know 63 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: the Falcons too, but from the Patriot's point of view, 64 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,399 Speaker 1: have Bill Belichick kind of get that process? I feel 65 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: bad for rather than sometimes he's kind of the second 66 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: guy here, but unfortunately but no, but it's been fantastic, Hawm. 67 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: The two nfls staffs here and the Patriots especially have 68 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: been great to our staff and our team. But I 69 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,839 Speaker 1: think for our players the chance to even just meet 70 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: Coach Belichick is cool, not to mention being coached by 71 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: him on special teams whatever else. I talk to a 72 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: few players who said, he's kind of we were in awe, 73 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: but kind of exactly what we heard. He'd be right, 74 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: he'd be intoly involved in the details, be in the 75 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: back of the meeting rooms, but chiming in on these 76 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: small little things. And I think a lot of these 77 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: players have learned to appreciate kind of that Patriot way 78 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: of caring about the small things and knowing how they 79 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: lead to bigger things. I think between our players, the coaches, 80 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: Troy Brown, the assistant coaches this week that are kind 81 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: of being a level up as well have seen that 82 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: attention to detail and why that matters to the Patriots 83 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: so much. Yeah, it's funny. We were watching practice this 84 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: morning and we didn't see Coach Belichick right away, and 85 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: then he's just in the middle of the drill, like 86 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: ten minutes into for act is all of a sudden, 87 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: he's just there, and you know, we're all texting each other, Oh, 88 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: build on the field. He's on the field, and make 89 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: sure we get footage of him and everything. But it's 90 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: super funny to just see him just right in the 91 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: middle of the drill, just interject himself right in the middle. 92 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: And it's been really cool to watch him work, as 93 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure that it's been cool for everybody here to 94 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: watch him work and see him be so hands on. Okay, well, 95 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: Alex and I have talked about probably thirty to forty 96 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: of these guys so far on the podcast. This is 97 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: where we just are going to pepper you with different names. Well, 98 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: let's do this because something we've done this week, it's 99 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: like who kind of gets brought up unprompted right, who 100 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: stood out to you the most, who surprised you the 101 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: most before we give you our names. I watched o 102 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: line deal is a great chance for NFL teams. You 103 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: get a good look at these guys and sometimes you 104 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: get lost in the sauce at quarterback receiver sometimes and 105 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: it's always a connection to build oline D line. You 106 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: can kind of see like, wow, who stood out? And 107 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: I think Moro Jelmo from Texas, a G lineman, has 108 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: been fantastic. A lot of NFL teams like him. I've 109 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: heard some really high grades NFL scouts on him. Dante 110 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: Steals in West Virginia, a guy who played a kind 111 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: of a weird role Westernia's defense and got a chance 112 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: to be a traditional three tech this week and one 113 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: as a pastors. They really impressed. Connor Galvin of Baylor. 114 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: On the other side of the ball, offensive tackle. I 115 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: think talking to teams till the best chance to be 116 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: the first offensive lenman draft from the shrine. Boll as 117 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: well too, so the big guys up front, and I 118 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: want to start there because that's unfair. Those guys get 119 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: pushed aside too much. Those three guys had great weeks. Yeah, 120 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,559 Speaker 1: I came from Texas. I'm terrible at names. He walks 121 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: somebody back into the backfield during one on ones there 122 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: and I was standing maybe ten fifteen yards behind the drill. 123 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: I almost wasn't far enough away from the drill, which 124 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: I and he just bully rushed the guy right back. 125 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: We've noticed him a bunch of guys as well. It's funny. 126 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,559 Speaker 1: I looked him up and he like the way he plays. 127 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, looked up the height way he's 128 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: gotta be like six four three thirty. It's like six 129 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: three three hundred. Yeah, he plays so far above Yeah, 130 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: what he's listed at it at that position specifically, you 131 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: see that. I mean it's hard not to. And he's 132 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: got a teammate here, key Andre Coburn, but they had 133 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: another offensive tackle at Texas last year to Andre Sweat, 134 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: who stay in school and more only played like three 135 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: hundred snaps here because they're working a rotation. So that's 136 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: what all star games are so good for, is that 137 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: you see a guy who maybe didn't get a chance 138 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: to show something in college or a different scheme or also, 139 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,679 Speaker 1: I guy that may have been considered a backup rotational 140 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: player come here and maybe one of the first guys drafted. 141 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: So you mentioned getting caught up with the quarterbacks and 142 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: wide receivers very guilty of Yeah. Absolutely, And yesterday Alex 143 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: and I were really gonna watch the line D line today. 144 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: That's our job here today. But I have to ask 145 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: you about a few of the receivers, especially with the Patriots. 146 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: They're still searching for that number one guy. We all 147 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: know that, and there are a couple of guys out 148 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: there this week I want to start with. But we've 149 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: talked a lot about a day, so you know he's 150 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: all over the place. He only practice the one day, 151 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: but really impressive kid. And you saw that burst and 152 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: the speed right away. Yeah. I think for Za first 153 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: and foremost, he has been fantastic inns NFL teams. He 154 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: has been one of the guys that NFL teams were 155 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: so excited to talk to. He was very busy in 156 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: the interview process. You can imagine me a guy who 157 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: has a great chance, if not a definite guy, be 158 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: a first round pick. But I think he's approached interview 159 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: so well. And he is an incredible competitor, credible character, 160 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: football guy that wants to just play football right away too. 161 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: He's got a great personality, could be a leader in 162 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: the locker room as well too. But he's the guy 163 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: that just wants to win and wants to play football. 164 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: He's been outstanding. And then his day at practice was 165 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: as advertised, he was the most explosive receiver out there. 166 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: To another guy here, Tomorrio Douglas Pop Douglas from Liberty, 167 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: who's also twitchy, also fast, and Zay was a little 168 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: bit fast. He was on our list. Ask here, Yeah, 169 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: does he even nickname? You kind of just put hop douglasts. 170 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: It's good because because I was gonna say, when Zay 171 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,679 Speaker 1: comes off the field, we're watching that role, that slot 172 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: receiver role, and he definitely flashed. Yeah. So I think 173 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: he and Zay were the two guys that were twitchy, fast, 174 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: returner ability, slot receiver ability too. And I think Zay 175 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: had his great we could practice and I think Zay's 176 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: gonna be a slam dunk for a Trump thick and 177 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: I think, more importantly, a slam dunk long time NFL 178 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: receiver in the NFL as a guy who I kind 179 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: of compare him to, and this sounds generous to Shun Jackson, 180 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: Miss Jillen Waddle. That's why I think Zay flocks me 181 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: in the NFL too. And I think one thing on 182 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: you guys have watched a lot of Za being in 183 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: the Northeast. Yeah, Zay, the offense at BC was a 184 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: challenge this year and he was by far the best 185 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: player and they had to get placed to him all 186 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: the time. And he's a small receiver and still got separation. 187 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: I think he's learned through trial by fire on how 188 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: to get through double teams, get through great big plays 189 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: when the offense supposed to do you too. So I 190 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: think he's a guy that could be a Number one 191 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: assume the NFL right away. Yeah. We were talking to 192 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: him at the Cluster interview the other day and I 193 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: asked him, what's your favorite route, Like, what's the route 194 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: you want to run? And he said a double move. Yeah. 195 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I mean that makes sense. But 196 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: I thought it really stood out was how quick he 197 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: is to run the short intermediate routes as well. And 198 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: I think is something that the Patriots over the years, 199 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: I mean, going all the way back to Troy Brown, 200 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, Troy Brown, Deon Branch, Wes Welker, Edelman, that 201 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: role has been such a big part of their offense 202 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: and now a Bill O'Brien back as offensive coordinator. I 203 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: don't want people to get caught up in thinking that 204 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: Zay is just a fourth three guy, like this is 205 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: somebody that can really get in and out of a 206 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: break as well. What same for Tai Kwan. A year ago, 207 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: I'd kept telling people one of Tai Kwon's best skill 208 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: sets was in the red zone, and people thought fourth 209 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: through speed and get downfield, get vertical, and you definitely 210 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: can do that. But we saw this through the Patriots. 211 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: The red zone was the big thing I love about 212 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: Tae Kwon. I think you watched Zay Flowers film great 213 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: in the red zone, those whip routes, those quick slants, 214 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: black the end zone kind of stuff. So I think 215 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: Zay has people think, oh, speed guy just can get 216 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: down on the field. We've seen how the Dolphins used 217 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: jail and waddle. I think between that and how a 218 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: lot of teams want to win in the red zone 219 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: with smaller receivers, now they's the kind of guy that 220 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: can score touchdowns, not just great big plays. Yeah, the 221 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: whip route against Clemson, right, I posted that on Twitter 222 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm sold, take him in the 223 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: first round. I'm good. Yeah, it was. I mean that 224 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 1: was Edelman esque right to get in and that so 225 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: we talk about the little shifty guys, not to call 226 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: them little. That was really the smaller shifty guys. Let's 227 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: go with that scrappy. And I want to ask you 228 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: about an outside guy, an At Perry, Yeah, from wake Forest, 229 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: who I thought in one on ones in particular, really 230 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: shined out here, and we had known that he was 231 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: somebody that we wanted to come in and watch when 232 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: we came to Vegas. Didn't really disappoint me too much. 233 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 1: He's looked pretty good out there. What do you see 234 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: about him? Yeah, he's one of the bigger guys out here, 235 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: taller guys out here too. And I think he's twenty 236 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: twenty one play at wake Forest when they be better 237 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: than twenty twenty two because some of the offense stuff 238 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: they were going through in transitions. But I mean a 239 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: dominant downfield receiver, a guy who can win those jump balls. 240 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: But I mean, more importantly for a bigger receiver. He's 241 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: not just a jump ball receiver. He can separate on 242 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 1: those dig routes, those post routes, the deep comebacks. He 243 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: showed that with Sam Hartman having their great connection too. 244 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: But I think At showed that he can sell win 245 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: as a route runner, but also can adapt quickly to 246 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: other quarterbacks. I think one of the cool parts about 247 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: quarterback receiver connections at All Star Games is who kind 248 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: of picks it up fast? Right, You've never thrown with 249 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 1: these quarterbacks before until you get here. You got to 250 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 1: learn quickly at the timing, the route depth, and all 251 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: those kind of things. I think eighties figured out very 252 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: very quickly with a O'Connell and his quarterbacks on the 253 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: East team. So another guy who you talk about getting 254 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: on the same page quickly, who stood out to me 255 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: in that regard and also has the top two top 256 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: three catches this week is Justin Shorter from Florida. What 257 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: have you thought? He's been fantastic, the great week from him. 258 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: He and his teammate Bryce Ford Wheaton of West Virginia 259 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: are going to have absolutely outstanding NFL combines. Like wait 260 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: till you see these numbers they're gonna be. We're gonna 261 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: see some DK metcalf comparis with these guys as well too. 262 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: But Justin's a guy that always had that from his 263 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: time at Penn States and now in Florida. Physically impressive. 264 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: He takes, you know, puts his pads up and has 265 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: the abs going. You're like, who the heck is that guy? 266 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: But the dominant we could practice on the outside winning 267 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: as a deep route separator against some really good corners 268 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: on the West team I thought was really impressive too. 269 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: But you mentioned to be able to track the ball 270 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: with a new quarterback, the ball is always going to 271 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: be a little underthrown, a little overthrown. I think Justin 272 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: Jones the ability to adapt to that with his physical 273 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: ability and the kind of four forced bee that he has, 274 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: he's a pretty special player. Yeah. I love these events 275 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: for this reason because I got to be honest, Justin 276 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: Shorter was not on my radar until I got here, 277 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: and now it's like, all right, well now I gotta 278 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: go watch that right. Absolutely, Yeah, he's got some right 279 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: size explosiveness. That play to end practice at the I 280 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: think it was on Saturday. Yeah, the double move at 281 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: the end of practice, and we were talking about it, 282 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: you know, Zay was on one side, he was on 283 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 1: the other, and it was kind of like best on 284 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: best yea and Shorter was able to go in and 285 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 1: actually caught the ball from Dorian Torrn Thompson Robinson from UCLA. 286 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about. I've been really impressed 287 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: with him. I knew he could run, and I think 288 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: we all knew he could run, but playing instructure, throwing 289 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: from the pocket. He told me he's been working with 290 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: Jordan Palmer. It looks like that's paying dividends. What have 291 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: you seen from him this week? Yeah, I think and 292 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: I've made and everyone was asking me who the next 293 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: Rock party is? Right now? Lets me be the same 294 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: mistake ad get too. And I think he and Dorian 295 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: don't initially be like you know, comparable players. But I 296 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: think one thing a lot of people and myself included 297 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: to learn about evaluating Rock Purty is that even as 298 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: a four year NFL A college started like Brock was, 299 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: he still had room to get better. Right. He saw 300 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: so many things that at Iowa State saw Blitzer saw 301 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: really good defense Oklahoma Texas defenses that he's able to 302 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 1: go against really complex and really talented defenders and able 303 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: to kind of digest that as an improvising quarterback. But 304 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: also he was getting better. I think Si Connor ordered 305 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: a great story on Brock Purdy getting better and increasing 306 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: his velocity in the in the draft process that led 307 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 1: him to be a guy to nine ers wanted to 308 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: get in target, and I think Dorian's the same kind 309 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: of way. We kind of watched these guys for three 310 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: four years. We kind of know who they are. He's this, 311 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: he's okay, it's just so, and I think we don't 312 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: appreciate that kind of journey Dorian's been on his college 313 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: career and what he's seen and what he's learned. And 314 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: you added the fact that, yes, with Jordan Palmer, Dorian 315 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: has increased his RPMs on that football. He's has made 316 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: himself more balanced as a pocket passer and outside the 317 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: pocket too. So I think Dorian's a guy like Brock 318 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: who should not be underappreciated because he's the guy that 319 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: we've seen a lot. Maybe doesn't have any sort of 320 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: freaky arm talent or athletic ability, but he can move. 321 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: He's really twitchy. But I think he's also shown he's 322 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: a really good pocket passer and downfield pastor. And again 323 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: he's been embracing the challenge of one his Patriots offense 324 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: all week long. I know he turned some heads in 325 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: the red zone on the day one made some really 326 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: great throws down there, and people took notice of the 327 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: zip in the ball that's coming out of his hands 328 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: a little bit better than it was a UCLA. Kudos 329 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: to Jordan on that one. We've moved on to defense now, 330 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 1: is that the offense? I think I think I think 331 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: we covered it pretty well to the title the tight ends. 332 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: The tight ends, Yeah, Baker Barker from Michigan State we've liked. 333 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: And Whiteheart from from wake Forest. Yeah, white Heart's a 334 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: guy that from Wake Forest reminds me a lot of 335 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: a guy we had a year ago, chig O Coongo 336 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: from Maryland, I mean a fourth round picked for the 337 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: for the Tennessee Titans. Maybe we'll be as fast as 338 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: chig was Chig right alow four or five, which was 339 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: by far the fast as any tight end in a 340 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: long time. But I think Whitehart has the same ability 341 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: to kind of win as a short area guy, but 342 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 1: has that wheel round ability, that seam ability to win 343 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: as a route right did that and practice as well too, 344 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: and then mentioned Daniel Barker, I mean looks apart right, Oh, 345 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: he is physically impressive. He and Leonard Taylor for the 346 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: other team, are physically looked like NFL tight ends. But 347 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: Barker can block at a high level. He's done that 348 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: really well in the run game, but I think it's 349 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: ability to win on that team and win as those 350 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: deep kind of posts in corner routes to really impress 351 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: it for him. The other thing that stood out to 352 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: me about those two guys the motor. Yeah, Like you 353 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: see them just in individual drills blocking the pad and 354 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 1: they are running right through that pad. And I think 355 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: that's a position that you know, tight end. There's just 356 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: a lot of want to there, Yeah, And those are 357 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: two guys that very much folk like they want. Yeah, 358 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: I think that. I mean the tight ends back in 359 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: the NFL. I think a large part of that is 360 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: because you want to run more eleven and twelve personnel 361 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: so you can kind of go up tempo and not 362 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: make as many subs. So you need a tight end 363 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: who could be a receiving tight end as well as 364 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: a really effective blocker, and a kind would change your 365 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: formations a little bit too. So I think Barker fits 366 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: that very well. And white Heart's kind of that. H 367 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: you can play some slot, maybe some fullback if need 368 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: to be. Barker's that Why Ted who also gets separation 369 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: against linebackers and safeties, Well, I don't know where to 370 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: put these two guys. So I'm gonna say this is 371 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: a good transport. I was going to do this two 372 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: that's why. That's why, So Jack Coletto and Parish right, 373 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: and I think both of them have stood out as 374 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: pass catchers, yeah, honestly. And I think we've seen Cletto 375 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: more on offense this week from what I can recall. 376 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: And I just had been really impressed with how natural 377 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: both those guys have looked running routes, which was not 378 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: something they did a ton of because they were playing 379 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: so many different roles. I mean Cleto played a little 380 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: bit of fullback in college. Derek Perish would play any 381 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: fullback in college. So I was a little bit worried, 382 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: being like, how would the adapt to get here? But 383 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: they both worked their butt off, and I think Cleto's 384 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: a guy that's played what quarterback, running back, fullback, tight end, 385 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: h back, linebacker, wildcat right on, We're gonna say a 386 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: career or two, and he's been fantastic And I think 387 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: this week he's shown the tight end ability that teams 388 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: want to see. Teams want to see, hey, can he 389 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: be a secondary tight end as well as a fullback? 390 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: To kid the fullback spot is kind of going away 391 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: in the NFL, as we well know, but he'd been 392 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: making a bit of a comeback with Kyle Uscheck and 393 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: I think playing Ton as well helps too. And then 394 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: Derek Parrish, I mean, he had what seven sacks and 395 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: like two games this year and then unfortunately got hurt, 396 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: so he can be a pass rusher, and multiple teams 397 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: have told me he's a guy that, hey, if he 398 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: can be our third or fourth d end and our fullback, 399 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: we can do something the backfield. It'd be hard not 400 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: to draft that kind of guy too. And they both 401 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: embrace that challenge with a lot of things. It's it's 402 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: hard and also games through a lot of things, and 403 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: they've embraced it. Yeah, we've loved Coletto all week, but 404 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: yesterday Parish ran something and one on ones he ran 405 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: a really crisp brown yeah, and I was like, he 406 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: doesn't even how much has he done this, but you know, 407 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: it's pretty impressive. All right, defense, All right, I gotta 408 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: start with the guy who's I think been the highlight 409 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: player of the week on defense, Trey Dean. Yeah, talk 410 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: to him at the beginning of the week before and 411 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: he practice has had a ton of confidence. I was like, 412 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: if he can play like, if he can back up 413 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: the way he talks with the way he plays, he's 414 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: going to be something. And I would say he exceeded 415 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: my expectations in that regard tradesmen A guy like for 416 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: a long time. We actually invide him a last years 417 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: Shrine Bull as well. He's had to go back to 418 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: school and improve his draft stock, and I think he 419 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: athletically again, there's a common themeal here. He's gonna be 420 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: one of the best tests with the NFL combined forty 421 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: plus inch for four three speed. He's he's freaky in 422 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: that sense, but I think he's shown this week ability 423 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: to work as a cover to safety as a man 424 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: matchup cover safety and build to work downfield and coverage 425 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: is really hard for safe he's nowadays in the NFL, 426 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: but he's got the height and size and length and 427 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: let ability to do it. And he's shown this week 428 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: that he can do it in terms of reading coverages 429 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: and reading receivers. So let me ask you this. He played, 430 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: You know he really split evenly playing deep, playing box, 431 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: playing slot. Where have you heard teams kind to see 432 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: him or is the idea that you draft him and 433 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: play him everywhere. So I think this week of practices 434 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: change a lot of teams minds and kind of go 435 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: back to the drawing board. Hey, we didn't know if 436 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: he can do. You know, I always tell people as 437 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: either are you a tweener, are you a both? Are 438 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: you a neither? Right? Sometimes I think, oh, this guy 439 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: could do a little bit everything, but he can't do anything. Well. 440 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: I think Trey want to show NFL teams he could 441 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: do all three things you just said at an NFL level, 442 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: And I think that's what NFL teams were excited about 443 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: to say, Hey, is he just an athlete on special 444 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: teams and what kind of see how he does or 445 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 1: can actually play safety places in nickel corner for us. 446 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: And he's shown this week against some really good receivers 447 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: as you guys have seen, that he can match up 448 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: downfield in the short area, prevent those whip routes, working 449 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: against the dig route, protect the deep post. So he's 450 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: done a really good job all week long in all 451 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: types of contags. Sticking with safeties. We also mentioned aj 452 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: Finley from all Most a couple of times, and so 453 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: the first day of practice we saw him in positional 454 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: drills and he was doing the pedal drill and I 455 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: was like, Oh, this kid can get out, Like, this 456 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: kid's gonna be able to play some deep safety. And 457 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: he had three interceptions and practices the other day. What 458 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: have you seen from him? Yeah, he's been an awesome person. 459 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,239 Speaker 1: He'd been loved to be here. He's had so much 460 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: fun being in Vegas. I appreciate too. But I think 461 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: he's adapted the defense very quickly. And it's always interesting 462 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: to see which guys kind of pick up the defense 463 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: or offense quicker than others. And it's hard sometimes because 464 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: you want to make sure your teammates from the same page, 465 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: especially running an offense and a defense. But Aj picked 466 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: things up super fast. I think he's ability to adapt 467 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: in multiple different safety alignments free dance wrong safety had 468 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: made him pay dividends. And I think a lot of 469 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: times an All Star Games, sometimes interceptions happened because a 470 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: back and receiver run on the same page. But three 471 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: in one practice, that's that's not a lot for short 472 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: not luck at all. Yeah, and there's the two kids 473 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: from Minnesota too. Yeah, what are they feeding those kids? 474 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: And I know Terrell Smith's the guy I think every 475 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: NFL teams looking for the next Treekul in the six two, 476 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: six three to six four athletic first corner, and again 477 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: I'm being a dead horse here. He's gonna run a 478 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: four three. He's super athletic, super along. But he's had 479 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: a great week of practice too this week. Yeah, let 480 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: me ask you about another corner who I think you're 481 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: going to say the same thing about the athletics and 482 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: me a little smaller, but he plays much bigger. And 483 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: that's Key Troll Clark. Yeah, blew up three screens this 484 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: week against big wide receivers blocking him, had a really 485 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: nice pick in one on ones. What have you seen 486 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: from him? Yeah, I mean I owned NFL People on 487 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: the outside maybe people in the NFL sometimes too, we 488 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: see the rise of the slot receiver. We're not appreciating 489 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: how valuable the slock corner is right now. And Keytrell 490 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: Clark is comfortably, in my opinion, at least, the best 491 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: slock corner of the twenty twenty three NFL draft. I 492 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: think if you want to have a guy that's gonna 493 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: start tomorrow for you in the nickel like Jack Jones, 494 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: I think and do in the future as well. Hey, 495 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: this is key troll Clock can do that tomorrow, but 496 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: he also showed this week he plays an outside core 497 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: as well too. Right we're seeing motions and more slot 498 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: guys are on the outside. You gotta have guys that 499 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: can play in the nickel and be physical, blow up screens, 500 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: but also go against those quicker twitch your slot receivers 501 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: and also work outside. So Keatrells had a fantastic week. 502 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: I think he has a good chance to be one 503 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: of the top players drafted from here. It's interesting you 504 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: compared him to Jack Jones, because when we never watching him, 505 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: that's exactly what we say. Similar size, similar size, similar 506 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: play style for sure. Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that 507 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: with Terrell Smith, even though Tarikoland's obviously a lofty comparison 508 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: for anybody. Right now, the Patriots are very small at 509 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: corner and that's not a surprise to anybody to hear 510 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: me say that. So to have a bigger guy, We've 511 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: been looking at guys, you know, like Miles Brooks, like 512 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,479 Speaker 1: Nick Jones, has a little bit of lank to him 513 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: as well, that are a little bit bigger that can 514 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: play on the boundary and hold up as much as 515 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: we've loved Keatrell Clark as well. I think this year 516 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: it's you gotta be at least six feet plus for 517 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: the Patriots. We think we got a lot of those 518 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: guys this year at the Shrine Bolt for Shure too, 519 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: I think, and I would say receiver and corner probably 520 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: the two strongest groups talking NFL teams. So it's been 521 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: a fun battle for those guys out there all week long. Yeah. Absolutely, 522 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: a couple of linebackers that we've yeah, I've been mentioned 523 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: a guy I was blown away by just you know, 524 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: interviewing him was Moeebraham. Yeah, talking to me about Will 525 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: mc ginnist and Jack Lamberton, and he came out, he 526 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: backed it up. He played really well. Yeah he ran 527 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: from Minnesota. Yeah. Yeah, he's been out standing as running 528 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:18,719 Speaker 1: back this week all week long. Terry dea body. Some 529 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: of his highlights at Utah Micah Parsons level. I mean, 530 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: it's freaking kind of athletics. Mean, he's gonna show the 531 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: NFL comboy the same thing again, I promise, but high 532 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: every time, like high four three linebacker was pretty pretty rare, 533 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: and I think he's showed the ability that's a pass 534 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: rusher this week in coverage, dropping back, making he's making 535 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: plays in the box. I think he's shown the versatili 536 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: NFL teams wanted to see. And he's a smart kid, 537 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: picked up things very very quickly too. But again, he's 538 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: gonna be a matchup nightmare against. I was running back 539 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: against so slat reciver is all week long in practice. Yeah. 540 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: I mentioned Devin Lloyd when we were talking about him, 541 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: just the role that they played in the Utah defense. 542 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: And I think it's funny because sometimes that does happen 543 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: where you know, the Patriots might have been in on 544 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd if the board had fell the right way 545 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: last year, but then they go, they get Mo who 546 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: is basically the same time of guy one other guy quickly, 547 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 1: and then we got a wrap orgy from Vandy. Yeah, 548 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: he's made some really great plays. Yeah, very physical in 549 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: the run game. I think that's what his NFL that's 550 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: he's gonna be is winning as an interior run defender two. 551 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: And we don't know, it's hard to get that sometimes 552 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: from an i'll star game from linebackers. I think he'll 553 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: I think he's got that buff the shot in the 554 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: game a little bit. Jack Sandborn a year ago had 555 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: a great Shrine Bowl game, end up being an undrafted 556 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: guy surprisingly end up being an NFL starter for the 557 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: Bears all the second half of the year. Two. I 558 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: think Orgie has the same kind of destiny as Sandborn does. Okay, 559 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: I promise last one. I meant I do this all 560 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: the time. I say last one like six times, tyree sweet. Yeah, 561 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: somebody that plays that hybrid edge roll and Patriots just 562 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: love those types of guys. Yeah, super physical, really good athlete, 563 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: can be really explosive with well too. He's had a 564 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: great week of practice as well. He's been tough for 565 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,719 Speaker 1: offensive linemen to get around and kind of protect kind 566 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: the perimeter too, but thank you's showing this week he 567 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: can bowl rush one on the inside as well too. 568 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: He's not just a guy. It's a one trick pony 569 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: in the perimeter. Two and things are great fit for 570 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: a lot of defenses because he's a guy that every 571 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: NFL team could use an extra pass rusher for sure. 572 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: All right, over, under how many Patriots draft picks from 573 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl, I'm going, well, there four last, I'll 574 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: send it eleven and a half and we'll see they 575 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: have eleven picks. We'll trade background. That's what you guys 576 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: do know. I'm saying like that's a good number there, 577 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: and uh, well we'll get that on the calendar that 578 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: we're going to have you after the draft for sure. 579 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: To Dolly, you will be busy, but us first, all right, 580 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: all right, well, this is Eric Gallico, the director of 581 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl, and I had a great week out 582 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: here in Las Vegas and Alex and I we're gonna 583 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: go home now, unfortunately, Alex. But we had a great 584 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: time doing these shows and watching these practices and we 585 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: saved the best for last though. So that's Eric Gallco 586 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: from the Shrine Bowl and we'll be back next week 587 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: on Patriots Catch twenty two to break down the off 588 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: season and continue rolling here with the Senior Bowl, Sorry, 589 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: and the combine and everything moving forward here in the 590 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: NFL Draft process for Alex part Eric Gaalco. I'm Evan Lazzar. 591 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for watching, everybody, Thank you for downloading this podcast. 592 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: Subscribe on Apple, Google Play, and everywhere else you listen. 593 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: Like the show, Please rate and review us. 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