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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition to the Around the NFL Podcast,

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Speaker 1: presented by New Era. My name is Dan Hansis and

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Speaker 1: I am joined by Room Failed with heroes Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling and Greg rosn'tal. What's up boys? Hey Dan?

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Speaker 1: What is happening? Oh? Not too much? So rare for

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Speaker 1: the four of us to be together. Well, maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: it's time we're settling in bra Okay. Uh, this is,

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Speaker 1: something of an anniversary we are This week marks the

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Speaker 1: fourth year uh anniversary of the um Around the NFL podcast,

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Speaker 1: which start out as the Around the League podcast, which

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Speaker 1: began as mark of course, the Debate Club, which was

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Speaker 1: That's the longest I've lived in any apartment since I

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Speaker 1: You know. That means that it's more the product of

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get to Mr. Railway in a couple of minutes,

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Speaker 1: I know that. Okay, continue Lucky white Head and let's

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Speaker 1: start here. Lucky white Head. Who is Lucky white Head?

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Speaker 1: He is a wide receiver on the Dallas Cowboys. He was,

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Speaker 1: Earth moved under his feet exactly. I mean, talk about hyperbole.

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Speaker 1: And with the quarterback position begins and ends with durability,

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Speaker 1: and he's simply unreliable from that from that standpoint, So

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Speaker 1: you want him, you want him for one or two

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Speaker 1: games as a backup? Maybe fine. I don't have a

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Speaker 1: problem with that, but nothing beyond that. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: think Kellen Clemens is any great shakes. Yeah, that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers. When's last time Philip Rivers missed the game? Ever?

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Speaker 1: Actually stop jinx Alright, I'm us saying, uh, maybe they're

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Speaker 1: counting on that a little too much. Clemens and in

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Speaker 1: BERKOVICI forget that. Berci looked really good in the preseason

439
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Speaker 1: last year West West of the surprise Berkovichi he did.

440
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Speaker 1: I was like, this guy looks pretty good. He's also

441
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Speaker 1: like one of those guys that if you if he

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Speaker 1: walks up to a jukebox and just hits it with

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Speaker 1: his fist, right brothers, come on, uh yeah, so we'll

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Speaker 1: see what happens there. It's you know, he remains kind

445
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Speaker 1: of a fascinating figure on some level. Not gonna help

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Speaker 1: their case of being the team around the NFL. RG

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Speaker 1: three's on it. Let's just beat yeah right now. Well,

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Speaker 1: the other link that that Rappaport mentioned was that Anthony Lynne,

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Speaker 1: the Chargers coach, worked with Tyrod Taylor in the past,

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Speaker 1: and in theory there's similarities between the two. I just

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Speaker 1: you know, come on with r G three, Like, I

452
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Speaker 1: just this is not the player. It's so easy to

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Speaker 1: try to link the current player to who he was

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Speaker 1: when he was at his heights as a rookie before

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Speaker 1: for a terrible knee and dream. Wait, so you're telling

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Speaker 1: me RG three gets worked out before count Kaepernick. Well,

457
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Speaker 1: I didn't tell you that. Everyone else is telling you.

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Speaker 1: That's a true that's an offseason troupes insert crappy quarterback

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Speaker 1: in r G three spot there. Don't even get me started.

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Speaker 1: When when it comes to Kellen Clemons, you know Kaepernick

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Speaker 1: fans might have a might have a point. It's like,

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Speaker 1: what is kind Kellen Clemens done to stay in the

463
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Speaker 1: league at this level for so long? He must be

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Speaker 1: a nice guy. I think he never looked great when

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Speaker 1: he was out there. I honestly think just being a

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Speaker 1: cool guy and studying the playbook will keep you in

467
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Speaker 1: the league as a quarterback. Part of the worst game

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen as an NFL fan, Brodie Coyle versus

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Speaker 1: Kellen Clemens Jets Chiefs pretty bad. Yeah, it's pretty bad.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of nice guys, Uh, Darrell Freeman. You know Drell Freeman.

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Speaker 1: He's the Bears linebacker. He was This an interesting story

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Speaker 1: fells and I wrote about it at the end around

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Speaker 1: check it out. Darrell Freeman was in Texas. He's from Texas,

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Speaker 1: and he was hopping a plane uh to Chicago to

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Speaker 1: start Bears Camp. He's at the Austin Airport food court,

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Speaker 1: which is one of my favorite food courts in the country.

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Speaker 1: I go to Austin every year because my wife is

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Speaker 1: from that area and they have a lot of great

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Speaker 1: barbecue and brisket and things of that nature. Anyway, he

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Speaker 1: got a brisket sandwich at the Salt Lick Taco Bar,

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Speaker 1: and you know, he's taking it down. He's putting it down,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, a guy next to him,

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Speaker 1: he stands up in a panic. Uh. He's choking on

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Speaker 1: his brisket sandwich, literally choking to death, potentially standing up

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Speaker 1: in a panic looking around for help. An old lady

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Speaker 1: rolls over to this guy and attempts to do the

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Speaker 1: Heimlich maneuver. She's not strong enough. Luckily, there's an NFL

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Speaker 1: linebacker at the table next to him. Bang Bang, an

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Speaker 1: NFL linebacker whose mother is a nurse, so he has

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Speaker 1: a vague knowledge of the Heimlich Bang Bang. The dude's

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Speaker 1: brisket comes pouring out of his mouth. Uh So, Drell

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Speaker 1: Freeman saves this man at the food court at the

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Speaker 1: Austin Airport. A couple of things that I really love

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Speaker 1: about the story, but the one that's my favorite, and

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Speaker 1: it really speaks to the guy that he saved as

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Speaker 1: just being a hero that we should have on the show.

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Speaker 1: Guy went back to his spot after it all comes down,

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Speaker 1: he took a picture if you're watching the video show

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Speaker 1: and was tweeted out, Um, he finished his brisket sandwich.

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Speaker 1: How about that? That's some good brisket. Wait, the man

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Speaker 1: who's the man who went through this this he went

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Speaker 1: back and ate the rest of this after he had

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Speaker 1: his life saved. I'm sure there's a huge commotion. He

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Speaker 1: took a picture with Darrell, who then tweeted, sat back

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Speaker 1: down at the table, and went back to town on

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Speaker 1: his brisket. That restaurants had used that in advertising that

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Speaker 1: Franklin's Barbecue. It was the Salt Lick Taco Bar. So

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Speaker 1: there you go one. It's one of the best stories

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Speaker 1: of the off season. I think it truly was heroic.

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Speaker 1: If you like, I always get get worried because I

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Speaker 1: don't know the Hemlich maneuver, like I kind of vaguely

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Speaker 1: know it from watching the people do it, but like

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Speaker 1: I should have at this point in life. You should

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Speaker 1: know how to save someone's life in that situation. But

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Speaker 1: he tweets out, Hey, I just saved someone's life. I

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Speaker 1: meant someone else. Maybe that's not even the brad, but

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Speaker 1: I'll give it to I'll give it to him in

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Speaker 1: this case, though it was a great story. If he

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Speaker 1: doesn't tweet that out, uh, we might never get the

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Speaker 1: story on it. And I believe that's the story that

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Speaker 1: deserves to be told. I think you get a free

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Speaker 1: brag if you save a person's life. Any of you

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Speaker 1: guys choked, even momentarily, so we all have. It's probably

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Speaker 1: the worst feeling in the world. There's that panic and

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Speaker 1: you don't know whether to cause a commotion to get help,

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Speaker 1: but then you know you're in trouble. It is. I

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Speaker 1: had one incident that was really bad. It was at

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Speaker 1: a the my grandfather Rest in Peace. It was doing

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Speaker 1: like a it was like an Elk's golf tournament. And

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Speaker 1: I went with my dad and we did the golf

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Speaker 1: tournament and then there was a banquet afterwards, and I

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Speaker 1: think I was chowing down on prime rib and I

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Speaker 1: got a little uh, you know, ozy, over zealous, and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden I got something stuck in my windpipe.

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Speaker 1: It felt like and I was like, what am I

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Speaker 1: gonna do here? And then your eyes get all panicked

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Speaker 1: and then luckily it went down right as I was

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Speaker 1: standing up in the middle of this banquet hall. It's like, Jesus,

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Speaker 1: thank God, body, good work. What a tale from the

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Speaker 1: Elks Lodge. I wasn't expecting to go to the Elks

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Speaker 1: Lodge today. From the Elks Lodge. My ex girlfriend reminded

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Speaker 1: me of this in my most recent trip to Tybee

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Speaker 1: that we went out to dinner with my family. Once

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Speaker 1: I was eating French onion soup with the cheese on top. No,

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Speaker 1: I got the cheese stuck and I started pulling it

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Speaker 1: out of my mouth like a clown with a with

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Speaker 1: a multicolored tissue. Not just pulling cheese out of my mouth,

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Speaker 1: like choking to death. That's a silent killer. In um, Greg,

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Speaker 1: you were born h thirty two, so maybe you didn't

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Speaker 1: have any childhood incidents. But how about near Adulton. I

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Speaker 1: can't remember any choking incidents. I don't know, Mark Oh Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the moment that you described, I can't. It wasn't at

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Speaker 1: the Elks Lodge or anything, but I've been through the similar,

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Speaker 1: you know, terrifying couple of seconds. Um, okay, and moving

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00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: on wrapping up the news or Josh Cribs, a longtime

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Speaker 1: Browns receiver. Um. He was on NF Good Morning Football

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Speaker 1: Today and uh. He was asked by Kyle Brant, one

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Speaker 1: of the hosts of that program program Great Program, about

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Speaker 1: his thoughts on the l A Chargers being ahead of

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Speaker 1: the Ram, ahead of the Browns and the old Justers

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Speaker 1: Pain rankings. Let's let's check it out. Let's get to this.

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Speaker 1: NFL dot coms Dan Hands as friend of the show.

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Speaker 1: He released the twenty seventeen fan based pain rankings. He

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Speaker 1: has the Browns sitting at number two. They're telling me

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Speaker 1: in my ear that they've changed. The number one now

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Speaker 1: is Josh Cribs during the third singing and wheels on

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Speaker 1: the bus. That's number one. But how do you feel

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Speaker 1: about the Cleveland Browns showing up in the two spot? Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's awful, that's awful. The Cleveland brown should be number one.

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Speaker 1: But we suffered the most and that's why we have

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Speaker 1: the greatest fan base, not because of the winning, but

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Speaker 1: because the fans stick around. They don't never have blackouts

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Speaker 1: for our games. They stick around rain or shine, snow,

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Speaker 1: and it's a lot of snow and Cleveland. The fans

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Speaker 1: come and we don't win. Um, that's fair point. I

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Speaker 1: thought that. He answered that was a fair way to

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Speaker 1: come back dead on analysis is how I would describe it.

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00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: It was good and and Schraeger came back at me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter and he was coming after me a little

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Speaker 1: bit about it, saying I've been too affected by the

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Speaker 1: sun kissed uh weather out here. Basic soft yeah, to

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Speaker 1: which I said, now I am. Now I can say

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Speaker 1: that I have been accused of both East coast and

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Speaker 1: West coast bias. Here I come Middle America. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: get you. Um. And then I thought, you know who

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Speaker 1: did a really nice job Will Brinson reading the tea leaves.

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Speaker 1: He came into the conversation and said, let's just, you know,

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00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys, maybe we should let the dust settle

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00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: and a couple of years we'll see if the Chargers

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Speaker 1: are still at number one. I felt like this year

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Speaker 1: it was a good spot for him. If the Bret

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00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: let me tell you something the Browns continue to suck

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Speaker 1: for another couple of years. When I revisit this, they're

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Speaker 1: probably gonna take that one spot back. It's tough to

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Speaker 1: be in the number one spot, go out and go

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Speaker 1: one in fifteen and the worst season in the organized

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Speaker 1: organization's history and somehow have a less painful reflection in

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Speaker 1: your college. Well, so I appreciate what Josh Cribs had

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Speaker 1: to say. Yeah, I I did. It wasn't about the Browns.

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Speaker 1: But if Straeger is gonna come on Twitter and start

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Speaker 1: taking shots, you know, make sure you're not in the

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Speaker 1: glass house. You know. When they showed that that board

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Speaker 1: up on the screen that Josh Cribbs is looking at

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Speaker 1: the ranking says Los Angeles Charger. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: it was the San Diego Chargers who are the most

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Speaker 1: We get the argument, how did Diego? How do you

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Speaker 1: spawn Dan to the allegations? And that's exactly what they

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Speaker 1: are with that. This switch, last minute switched to put

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Speaker 1: the Chargers on top, was the result of Adam Ranks

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Speaker 1: philibustering in the newsroom. Whoa uh you know what I don't.

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Speaker 1: I can honestly tell you that that was not behind

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Speaker 1: it at all. It was more little lobbying was burning

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Speaker 1: that midnight oil, putting the working, putting the work, doing work,

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Speaker 1: and that's what you gotta do. Mark, you were here

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Speaker 1: last week to find out that that Dan worked very

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Speaker 1: hard late into the night. I don't doubt that he did.

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Speaker 1: I don't doubt if if you missed it, it was

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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes right in the middle of our program. We

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Speaker 1: spoke about it for about fifty It was past midnight

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Speaker 1: as I and I came to you came to this

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Speaker 1: kind of revelation that the Chargers deserve that spot. Um,

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Speaker 1: what were we saying, was nothing good ever happens past

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Speaker 1: mid Yeah, I don't know. We'll see anyway enough of that.

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Speaker 1: By the way, people of Detroit feel free to chime

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Speaker 1: in on this. Yeah, I think you know this is this.

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Speaker 1: I feel like just you put it in a shaker

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Speaker 1: and just roll out and got some results. If I,

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Speaker 1: if I was I was lobbying, and I used the

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Speaker 1: lobby for the Chargers to higher, I would say the

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Speaker 1: Bengals are the team that you are really a little

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Speaker 1: too low there at number eight. But you can't put

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Speaker 1: nine teams at once, so it's a tough. Yeah, I'd

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Speaker 1: make my list, they'd be in the top four. Me too,

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Speaker 1: I would think that was well. Listen, you guys are

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Speaker 1: free to create your own lists. And uh, that's when

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Speaker 1: I tell people all the time. Yeah, and ahead, we'll

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Speaker 1: have to create your own little list, send it out

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Speaker 1: through Twitter and then Mark, speaking of the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 1: You wanted to touch on something, didn't you, Well, I

640
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Speaker 1: do the the you know, we we track Rhodo World

641
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: every day and they give you a lot of great

642
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Speaker 1: camp updates about players that you know behind the scenes

643
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: are starting to bubble up and become prospects. Evan Silva's

644
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: time of year, that is exactly right. And the buzz,

645
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: the buzz in my take, I've been doing my monitoring.

646
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: You probably think I've just been checked out. I read

647
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: every day midnight oil stuff. The buzz on second year

648
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: Brown's tight end seth DeValve out of Princeton is building

649
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Speaker 1: to a fever pitch. Is this is this an edition

650
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Speaker 1: of pressure valve. It's pressure valve. That's pressure segment. We're

651
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: calling the segment pressure valve. Let's there's pressure valve. Let's

652
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Speaker 1: just go through some of these blurbs that have appeared

653
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Speaker 1: on Evan Silva's Rhodo World. June tenth, Brown's coach Hugh

654
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Speaker 1: Jackson calls tight end Seth DeValve an emerging player. June,

655
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Speaker 1: The Akron Beacon Journal says it's not far fetched to

656
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: believe that second year tight end Seth DeValve could be

657
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: the Brown's most improved player. In July twelve, The Plane

658
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: Dealers Mary kay Cabot says second year tight end Seth

659
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: DeValve jumped out at Brown's ot as in minicamp. July twenty,

660
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Speaker 1: The Brown's official website expects second year tight end Seth

661
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Speaker 1: DeValve to have, in quotes, a significant role this season.

662
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: July Patsy Kettles of Patsy Kettle's football dot net that

663
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Speaker 1: reports that Brown's tight end Seth DeValve saved a school

664
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Speaker 1: bus full of children by single handedly lifting the vehicle

665
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Speaker 1: off the side of a cliff in Barrie, Ohio. Wanting

666
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Speaker 1: no credit for his heroic act, DeValve fled the scene

667
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: using nearly superhuman speed, per Kettles. July twenty. July Evan

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Speaker 1: Silva of Rhoda World notes that he received an anonymous

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Speaker 1: phone call from a Langley, Virginia area code warning him

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Speaker 1: not to spill the beans on the true nature of

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Speaker 1: Seth Devalve's mission on Earth. July, just a day ago,

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Speaker 1: officials from the Pro Football Hall of Fame and Can'ton

673
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Speaker 1: Ohio reports seeing a Seth DeValve shaped object soaring in

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Speaker 1: the skies over the Hall of Fame. July, Evan Silva

675
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: of Rhoda World receives a second call from Langley. A

676
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: man on the other end tells him it's time for

677
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: the world to know the truth. Seth DeValve didn't attend Princeton.

678
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: He was created at Princeton by secret scientists, scientists working

679
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: closely with Cleveland's forward thinking front office. Silva, it's up

680
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: to you to connect the dots. Seacrest out. Wow, and

681
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: that was the latest edition of Pressure Valve. Now, how

682
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: do you expect me to put the Browns the number

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Speaker 1: one of the pain ranks when he got devolved in

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Speaker 1: the building. Listen, that's a fair points literally is your

685
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: that is your fairest rebuttal to the Pain ranking. You

686
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: have literally Superman on your rosta. Yeah, you're in a

687
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: good position. I think I think so should probably make

688
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: him the quarterback if you think can happen he's an

689
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 1: emerging player according to team sources. There you could put

690
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Speaker 1: him at safety, then he'd be a safety valve. Pretty

691
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: nice there, just a hint of skepticism on your end

692
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Speaker 1: that seth the valve will be the starting tight end

693
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Speaker 1: and a game changer for the Cleveland not even in

694
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Speaker 1: the least. If you're watching the video version of this show,

695
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: you saw that he had two highlights last year, and

696
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: we've replayed them over in is he moving mountains underfeet

697
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: or whatever Hugh Jackson said about r G three last year.

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Speaker 1: I think this time Hugh knows that people are gonna

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Speaker 1: see with their own eyes. He doesn't need to keep

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Speaker 1: the hot you know, the hot quotes coming. All right,

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Speaker 1: it's time now to move on to the Training Camp

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Speaker 1: Spotlight presented by New Era and today's Training Camp spot White.

703
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: We've done it every week for the past three weeks.

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00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: Now we're going to focus on the Dallas Cowboys and

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00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 1: and specifically how many roster spots are wide wide open

706
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: and how many jobs, I should say, and you know,

707
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: starting jobs, good work, I should say, are is out

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00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: there for the team? And Greg, you are a good

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Speaker 1: person to talk to on this because they they sent

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Speaker 1: you NFL Network sent you to Oxnard to cover this thing.

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Speaker 1: Wing in at sixty six pounds. He hails from Martha's Vineyard.

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00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: He is NFL Networks Rosen Tal so many untruth there

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Speaker 1: s six is over it by about thirty pounds there.

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Speaker 1: I'd be in trouble if I'm one sixty six on

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Speaker 1: this frame. Give me a break. And uh, never once

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Speaker 1: lifted Martha's Vineyard a husky one s six. It would

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00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: be for Greg, not not husky, but Greg did. Uh.

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00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: He covered the cowboys scene yesterday and he was even

719
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: on NFL Network. What a day for Greg. Mike Garafolo

720
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: just tweeted rosen Fall. But you went to him for

721
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: permission today to wear shorts. Ah, well, it wasn't so

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Speaker 1: much permission, it was just the general customs. They usually

723
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: don't put writers that look like me out live, you know,

724
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Speaker 1: in the fields. I was just making sure shorts are accepted.

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00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: Were with two I am? I I hope they don't

726
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: pan down because there might be some stains from lunch.

727
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: But yes, I'm wearing shorts, all right. He's not an

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Speaker 1: ink stained retch. He's a lunch and wretch. Greg Rosenthal.

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00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: We say that, of course, with love and kindness. We're

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Speaker 1: in shorts. We can't show you because it's a family

731
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: program here and you don't want to see it either

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Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, this is what I'm talking about, Greg,

733
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: This is exactly what I'm talking and I'm on team

734
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Speaker 1: Greg here. They send him out there, NFL Network, they

735
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: put him on TV. But what happens They send him

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Speaker 1: back to his little box when it comes down to it,

737
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: try to belittle you. I get brought dot com, Greg Rosenthal,

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Speaker 1: dot com, dot com dot com. They want to keep

739
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: you in that box. I know you. You feel like, Okay,

740
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: maybe I finally done it. My kids, My kids are

741
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: watching at home. I found out later. You know, they

742
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: have it on this I didn't even know they had

743
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: on this big screen. It's like a large, scary almost image.

744
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: And you think, finally a little respect and then someone

745
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: and there in that one like and then someone like

746
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: Gara Folo just broadsides you. Come on. They treated you

747
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: like one of the guys, like you're in the locker

748
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: room and they're playing pranks. So you and I thought

749
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: you really showed that you could think on the fly

750
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: and improvise. Yeah, you did a nice job with it

751
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: and West. I'd love to take take that that standpoint

752
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: that it was it was boys club banter. I don't know.

753
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: I just so saw the look in in in Mike's eyes,

754
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: the way Andrew just leaned into the whole things down,

755
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: that you would attempt to stir the pot between Greg

756
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: and other various in building powers. That's so against your name.

757
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: It added a little levity. I was glad. Yeah, and

758
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: that's that for it. And thanks to the Twitter user

759
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: that let us know that, yes, Greg, Greg did wear

760
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: shorts as you can see. Oh yeah, Robert, he was

761
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: a big fan of the show. I talked to talk

762
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: to him. He was big time listener. He had a

763
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: couple of listeners out there excited. Bobby Pedalino. Hey, Bobby Pedalino.

764
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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk football now, So Greg that I mean,

765
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: do you need any more proof that Greg was boots

766
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: on the ground or I should say black Adidas on

767
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: the ground. Let's start with the Dallas cornerbacks. There's a

768
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of open jobs here. Yeah. I

769
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: think it's I don't know if it's slipped under the

770
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: radar with all the off field problems they've had because

771
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: they've had two arrests. They had the suspension for for

772
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: David Irving, you have Ezekiel Elliott. But to me, the

773
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: bigger issue if you compare the Cowboys to the other

774
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: teams that had buys last year, the Steelers, the Falcons,

775
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: and the Patriots, the Cowboys have way more questions. They

776
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: lost over six thousand snaps from their secondary from the

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00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: last last two years combined, six thousand snaps from four

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00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: key players, and at cornerback especially, you've got Orlando Scandrick,

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00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: who they're excited as a little healthier this year. He's

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00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: their number one quarterback. Number two by far as Nolan Carroll,

781
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: a guy who really struggled in Philadelphia, And for veterans,

782
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: that's it. When I I asked Jason Garrett about it

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00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: after the press comments, because he kind of gave a

784
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: non answer in the press conners, and he mentioned those

785
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: two players, and then he paused for about four seconds

786
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: and then he and then he just was like on

787
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: who else? He literally said, and who else? And then

788
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: he went on to Anthony Brown. And they have a

789
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: couple of rookies and maybe those guys will step up.

790
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: But if Nolan Carroll is by far your number two cornerback.

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00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: That that's trouble my one. But if there's one positive

792
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: in Dallas and that there have been past seasons where

793
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: we thought the Dallas defense was going to be a

794
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: calamity and they outplayed people's expectations. Rod Miranelli is one

795
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: of the most underrated defensive coordinators in the league. He

796
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: his players love him and that he finds a way

797
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: to make this stuff work sometimes. So that's that's your hope.

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00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, when are we gonna learn? We

799
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: do this every August we say that Cowboys just don't

800
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: have the defense to compete, and then the whole, the

801
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: whole competitive competitiveness rests on their offense and controlling the ball,

802
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: and then they hide their defense. Yep, that's fair. On

803
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: the flip side, there is now you could say, listen

804
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: to the Lucky white Head thing. It's just one of

805
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: those silly summer stories that gets overblown. But you got

806
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: the Zeke Elliott stuff and you have, you know, a

807
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: roster that's maybe not a settle as other people think.

808
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: This idea that the Cowboys are going to waltz back

809
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: to twelve wins. There are challenges here that they're going

810
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,479
Speaker 1: to have to figure things out. It's not all laid

811
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: out like some other contenders out there right now. No,

812
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: Marinelli was very positive about the group and saying, you know,

813
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: he loves competition and all that, and his system is

814
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: really simplified. It's not as complex as some others, and

815
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: they really count on effort and all that. That said,

816
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: when you're when you're best pass rushers are Tyrone Crawford

817
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: and a rookie, and you know tackle Charlton and you

818
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: know DeMarcus Lawrence, who had one sack last year, there's

819
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: just not a lot of juice there. I don't care

820
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: how good a coach he is. Jalen Smith. Jalen Smith,

821
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Speaker 1: that linebacker could be a big factor. He's moving around

822
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: pretty They almost need him to somehow recover from drop

823
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: foot and become an impact player potentially this year. A

824
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: lot of things have to break right on that defense. Yeah,

825
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: I think. I think, Yes, the offense is made up

826
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: for it in two of the last three years West,

827
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: but those are like the greatest offense is possible, and

828
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: you shouldn't need to count on an offense to be

829
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: that good. And in the end last year their defense

830
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: got them beat. I mean that offense was ready to

831
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Speaker 1: compete for a Super Bowl and the defense couldn't couldn't

832
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: do it against Creed. Yeah, I don't think they have

833
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: a championship caliber defense. But this is not the worst

834
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: defense they've had that we've that we've doubted. I mean,

835
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: Mark had fifty adjective to describe their defense, right and

836
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: which which which? Within weeks I was completely you know,

837
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: proven to be a complete phony on that topic. That

838
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: they were fine. Yeah, they were fine. I think the corner.

839
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Speaker 1: I think the secondary is worse than than it's been.

840
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 1: I mean, you lost, you lost Claiborne, you lost Barry Church,

841
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: you lost guys who have been there. What if Byron

842
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: Jones develops into an absolute superstar like Landon Collins or something.

843
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: I mean that that could go a long way. And

844
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: that was training Camp Spotlight presented by New Era. I

845
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: don't know if Greg got something else. I wanted to

846
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: give him a second to interrupt me, but he had

847
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: nothing else. That's it. That's good. But that was good info.

848
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: Are they gonna keeps sending you out or what I

849
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Speaker 1: and I enjoyed your van and white impression there. All right,

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00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: let's talk about it now. Like I said on Thursday,

861
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: All or Nothing came up. I have my buddy Jason,

862
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,720
Speaker 1: who is a loyal, uh and faithful listener to the show.

863
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: He he texted me about a week ago as that dude.

864
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 1: I know it has a lot of bad juice around,

865
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: alleged bad juju, but All or Nothing is a good season.

866
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: You should watch it. Greg started saying the same thing,

867
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: and then we said, hey, listeners, do you want us

868
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: to talk about All or Nothing? Inundated with tweets? People

869
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: wanted it literally millions of tweets. I got four million

870
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 1: tweets saying talk about all or nothing, So let's talk

871
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: about all or nothing, which focused of course on the

872
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams and UM and and it was a

873
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: show that this was always let me my initial takeaways

874
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: that the show really like like Greg teas that really

875
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: gets hot in the back end and and takes you

876
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 1: to a place that if you watch football programming, NFL

877
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: films is the best in the business at it. We've

878
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: never really seen a team disintegrating UM documented in this way,

879
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: or at least I haven't, so I found that fascinating.

880
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: The biggest mistake they made and the reason why there

881
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: was so much bad buzz. If they just would have

882
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: done all or nothing on the Rams and once somewhere

883
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: else for Hard Knocks, I think they would have been

884
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: in a better situation. But the fact that they did

885
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: double up, people were already like, wait, been there, done that,

886
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: And then on top of it, the Rams were laughing

887
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: stock laugh last season, so people just tuned out. But

888
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: if you tune in and and we'll start with Greg,

889
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: if you tuned in here, and if you after you

890
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: got past those initial episodes, the first couple episodes really

891
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: did feel overly familiar based on Hard Knocks which documents tray,

892
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: hard knocks, cutting room foor material for the most part,

893
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: And they start three and one, right, and they start

894
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: three and one, and you know it's not going anywhere,

895
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: so you don't really understand the point. But once you

896
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: get to episode five and then especially six, which I

897
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: feel like is the Lynch Pinnelhole series, and then seven

898
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: and eight, the show really takes flight. Greg your thoughts.

899
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: I I think seeing a team just what's going on

900
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: when a season is falling apart, and the desperation of

901
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: the coaches and the depression of the players, and how

902
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: much it meant to them, Like it just humanized a

903
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: team that we had just been mocking been Lee at

904
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: that point, and you do realize, and of course if

905
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: there's editing everything going involved to it, how much the

906
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 1: players cared, how much it hurt them, and also how

907
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: ridiculous some of the situations are where it's Tuesday before

908
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: they play the Patriots and you've got one of their

909
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: coaches just, you know, Greg Williams just railing against them.

910
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: Do you really love football? All this stuff? It's Tuesday morning,

911
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: it's five days away from the game, and that team's

912
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: gonna get drilled. No, matter what you say. So there's

913
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: there's just all these strange, uh moments, But to me,

914
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: it really came together game what was it fourteen in

915
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: their season when they got waxed by the Falcons, the

916
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: game that got Jeff Fisher fired. And rather, I'm sorry,

917
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: I'm I want to talk about the the second to

918
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: last game of the season after John Fossil is the

919
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: coach and they lose to the forty niners. They have

920
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: a one to seven lead with about six seven with

921
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: about six minutes left, and in any other document or

922
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: or any other NFL things, there's some sort of lesson

923
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: there that like, Okay, they didn't give up, you know,

924
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: John Foster there at least trying, like there's a great moment.

925
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: But no, that's not what sports are like. Sports are

926
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: just sometimes a kick in the nuts they blow the lead.

927
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: There's no lesson to be learned. The lesson is, you

928
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: guys are terrible, and no matter how much you try,

929
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: sometimes sports is just gonna get away from you. Sorry,

930
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: Like that was the lesson. It was about as dark

931
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: as I've ever seen a sports show I watched. So

932
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: I watched the first two a couple of weeks ago,

933
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: and I like a lot of people said, I've got

934
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: better things to do right now. But so last night,

935
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: because we knew we were gonna come on this, I

936
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: was texting you guys as I was binge watching like

937
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: this many episodes as I could, and I kept saying,

938
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 1: every time Jeff Fisher gets on screen, this production falls

939
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: apart from me. Because I am I already had issues

940
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: with Jeff Fisher. I am growing to dislike him more

941
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: and more. He seems to me he's walking around the

942
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: Britney Spears children at some point all this stuff happening

943
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: where this guy just feels to me like a creation,

944
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: a version of Jeff Fisher, and I don't really feel

945
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: a lot of genuine energy coming from When John Fossil

946
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: took over, the whole show absolutely took off from me.

947
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: I I think what I learned watching John Fossil, who

948
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: was promoted from a special Teams coach where he admitted

949
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: he was down in the basement in a bunker and

950
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: they show him down there was a special team. With

951
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: the passion that he had, I thought he was a

952
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: truly plugged in coach that loved working with players and

953
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: developing them. Then he jumps into these massive shoes, and

954
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: you can find out how rough that job would be

955
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: when you suddenly are gonna be the head coach to

956
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: have to go and coach your first game ever and

957
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: the trial and what's going on. Mentally, clearly was not

958
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: even aware of what the experience would be like. Short week,

959
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: very short week. They fired Fisher on a Monday after

960
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: a blowout. I think to the Pats, they had the

961
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,959
Speaker 1: Seahawks on the road on a short week, and that's

962
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: what he gets tossed into. And there's a great moment

963
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: with them off who I believe is the executive vice

964
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: president of operations, and it's a shot from from a

965
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: distance um and they show him basically them of trying

966
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: to tell Fossil, this is gonna be okay, you can

967
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 1: do this. Just be yourself. We're gonna help you out

968
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: and faster. You could see it in his face. And

969
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: then they go to Seattle and they get predictably waxed.

970
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: And after the game, I was really taken by how

971
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: he seemed. He wasn't happy, Fassil, but there was almost

972
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: a look of relief on his face. Just I survived

973
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: that game. I'm a head coach and I was a

974
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: head coach for a game in in This the strangest

975
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: week of my life and I survived that. And Greg,

976
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned the fossil Um clip after the Christmas Eve

977
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: lost to the Fortys. The niners of all teams scored

978
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: fifteen points on him in their building in the last

979
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: five minutes. Here is the video actually of um Fossil

980
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what to say. Well, first time

981
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 1: from probably don't have a lot of pearls are weird

982
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: and for you, but you know, I had a hell

983
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: of it time. It was a hell of it experience.

984
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 1: I didn't know that we got two weeks left and

985
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: after that, obviously a lot of things are going to change.

986
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: So I'm proud of you out there. We're to keep fighting,

987
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna go back to work, We're gonna stay together.

988
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna grind till the fish because that's just what

989
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: we do. All right, All good. The highlights for me

990
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: and Mark touched on this John Fossell's genuine energy, which

991
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: stood in contrast to some of the other main characters

992
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: in the show, Kevin Demof's humanity and tough moments, Todd

993
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: Gurley's competitive fire, Sean mcveigh's football mind in the final episode,

994
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: which was in stark contrast to the previous head coaches

995
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: football mind in my opinion, and to me, the issues

996
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: I had with this show were the head coach, offensive

997
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: coordinator and defensive coordinator to start the program. And you

998
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: look at a piece of art and you say, do

999
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: I believe it? Or you watch a movie are you

1000
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: willing to put in willing suspension of disbelief? You go

1001
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: to see a comedian, do you buy in to what

1002
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: that comedian saying? I didn't buy into anything Greg Williams,

1003
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: Rob Boris or Jeff Fisher was saying. Maybe there was there.

1004
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: I think that was part of the problem. They don't

1005
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: come off if you read books about football players, what

1006
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: do they want in a coaching staff? Foremost? Are you

1007
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: going to give us a competitive edge by being smarter

1008
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: and more innovative than the opposing coaching staff? And I

1009
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: didn't get the sense the RAMS staff was that utterly

1010
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 1: with you, like I found the offensive side the ball

1011
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: specially too. It was head scratching to watch them try

1012
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: to figure out how to process what was happening with

1013
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: their offense. Although girly you know when Fisher, you know,

1014
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: lost the job and This is true of a lot

1015
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: of the players. Girly cried and they were they seemed

1016
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: very upset. So there did seem to me like a

1017
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: human connection with Fisher, And yet I don't know if

1018
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: they ended up respecting him enough as a true football

1019
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: coach to to really do it well. One doesn't happen

1020
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: to gate the other. Right, you can still like a

1021
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: guy as a human and not believe that he's gonna

1022
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,959
Speaker 1: outsmart Bill Belichick came in. There's a sense of guilt

1023
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: because you've you've you've let that you've caused jobs that

1024
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: as the players, and I think there were some great

1025
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: scenes where the players were calling each other out, saying

1026
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: we cost this man his job. And that was a

1027
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 1: real moment when when when Gurley goes off at halftime

1028
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: of the Falcons game, it's like twenty one to three

1029
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: and he's saying, horse bleep, you know what we put

1030
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: out there and everything that comes right after rob Boris

1031
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: kind of loses his mind and just saying like that's

1032
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: not who we are, Like now we're really going to

1033
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: find out who we're made of. And I'm thinking the

1034
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: players have to be thinking this, and I'm thinking this, No,

1035
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: it's it's Week four, team, the wheels will come. You

1036
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: are you are You've lost six or seven straight games.

1037
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: You are getting drilled. You have found out what you're

1038
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: made of. I mean fossil. Fossil said that after that

1039
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: they lost the second last. I got the vibe that

1040
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: um if Jeff Fisher seemed like a lovable uncle type

1041
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: guy to them, a guy that they knew was a

1042
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: football life that had done things in this league, and

1043
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: now he was coaching them, and they didn't really believe

1044
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: in the system, and they knew they stunk, but they

1045
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: still liked him personally. And and let's throw to another

1046
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: clip here, which is Johnny Hecker, who's maybe one of

1047
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: the only guys to give a damn about last season,

1048
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: was one of the best punters in the league. Uh,

1049
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: and considers himself to be a team leader even though

1050
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: he's a puncher. He gets up after Fisher had left

1051
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: the room and the team's in shock and delivers this

1052
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: tearful address. Coach Fish gave us all a chance. Man.

1053
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 1: Uh we with it. Uh. They're giving bone a new

1054
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: chance to start something new. And U and us, we

1055
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: sat back and you give us all shot. We had

1056
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: nothing moved it was a distraction. He handled it like

1057
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 1: a man. He gave us every opportunity we needed to deceed.

1058
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: We didn't hold each other accountable. We cannot sell usselves

1059
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: short moving forward, guys as leaders, I mean, godly, you

1060
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: guys the hen Man, I haven't been there, I haven't

1061
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: done my best. I'm sorry, Sorry, Coach Fish, He's not

1062
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: gonna hear it, but we all gotta we're it. We're

1063
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: all gonna know that that man's gone because of us.

1064
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: And going back to McVeigh, um, did anybody else get

1065
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 1: like a and I know you can get sucked into

1066
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: how someone's presented in a documentary, everybody else get like

1067
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: a young John Gruden vibe off the guys, Well, they've

1068
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: been saying that about him from his heirs. I think

1069
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: he's literally trying to do I don't know if he's

1070
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: trying to, but that's sort of I see. I hadn't

1071
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: even heard that he's tied deep to the Grudens. And

1072
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: there's certainly it seems like he's pulled some not mannerisms,

1073
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: but just sort of energy. And President definitely got the

1074
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: Gruden energy and the confidence in the way he how

1075
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: easily was interacting with everyone with golf, like he's like

1076
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: that stuff you didn't like immediately, it was cool to see,

1077
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, um, you know what we saw in

1078
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: terms of the post firing, that was what was really interesting.

1079
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: I mean you saw this these conversations like them Off

1080
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: and Fossil or or the post firing meeting where a

1081
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: bunch of different people take turns talking, or McVeigh meeting

1082
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: golf for the first time and kind of selling himself

1083
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: to golf, Like, hey, you did some rare stuff in

1084
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: that in New Orleans game where you know, like we've

1085
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: never seen stuff like that. And I don't know what

1086
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: Sean mcveigh's character is. I don't know, like when they

1087
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: go through a losing streak or tough times happened, will

1088
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: he how will he handle a verse thirty one? But

1089
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: you could tell in that final episode. If I'm a

1090
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: RAMS fan, I'm excited because he is a smart, smart guy.

1091
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: And and you said, Jared Goff, I think listen, we

1092
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: know he had a lot of issues last year, but

1093
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: that the show also did a nice job showing the

1094
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: impossible situation he was put into last year. I know

1095
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: he struggled on the field, but the fact that he

1096
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 1: was in that coaching staff that was in over its head.

1097
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: And then right when maybe he would start to get

1098
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: his sea legs as a starter, they get rid of

1099
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: the coach and he's left with a special teams coordinator

1100
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: and a team that's completely adrift. I mean, if anybody

1101
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: deserves a fresh start with a new young coach that

1102
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 1: knows offense, it's this kid. So it kind of gave

1103
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: me personally almost hitting the reset button. And I'm looking

1104
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: forward to see what he looks like this season. And

1105
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 1: you really felt sympathy for someone like him, and also

1106
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: someone like Rob Boris, who were saying has been in

1107
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: over his head, and it's like, this is the guy

1108
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: who's worked his ass off his entire life, got an

1109
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: opportunity that was that he essentially earned, and maybe he

1110
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: wasn't ready for that job, and then and he just

1111
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: has to deal with it. And then you see him

1112
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 1: in Buffalo at six in the morning showing up. He's

1113
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: the new tight ends coach there and he's talking about

1114
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 1: his family and he literally hasn't they would stayed in St.

1115
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: Louis after they moved to l A. He literally has

1116
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 1: not been with his family for sixteen months, and he's

1117
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: talking about while at least we have that coming up.

1118
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: They're finally gonna move here into and in the Buffalo

1119
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: from l A potentially if things went better, and as

1120
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 1: you feel for him, the human where we've made fun

1121
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: of him and they're just to us there a lot

1122
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: of times because we don't have in depth contact with him.

1123
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: They're just names on pages. Offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, assistant.

1124
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: But what's going on? I like the word this show

1125
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 1: takes off for me, in same with hard Knox, is

1126
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: when you get to learn who these people are, their strengths,

1127
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: their weaknesses, and how actually just how human the whole

1128
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: thing is. When this team is utterly collapsing, you're thinking,

1129
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: these are high ranking experts handling this behind the scenes,

1130
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 1: but it's quite the to sit there panicking and they

1131
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: don't know if their players are going to develop at all,

1132
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: if they're gonna have jobs two months from now. You've

1133
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: got kids in school, you probably have a wife panicking

1134
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: at home. If you're a coach. I mean, it's a

1135
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: tough deal. So there that's all nothing talk. Oh wait,

1136
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: we I do have I do want to point out

1137
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: one thing which if you if you watch the show,

1138
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: I feel like listeners will remember this moment, which that

1139
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: count as the most haunting moment in the history of

1140
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: NFL films. And I don't know if we have a

1141
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: screenshot or not, but it's haunted me. I it's stuck

1142
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: in my mind. At one point three days after Jeff

1143
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: Fishers fired, they are getting on the team bus for

1144
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: to go to the airport to go to Seattle, and

1145
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: with no warning from NFL Films, no nothing, they are

1146
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: leaving and at right at the part of the grounds

1147
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: where they're leaving, Jeff Fisher is holding a dog and

1148
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: his wife is there, not because you see his wife

1149
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: later in the that's a good point. And I think

1150
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: that's a woman, like a mom that was shopping for

1151
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 1: groceries and it's like an unnamed shadowy female. There's there's

1152
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: a cop, a security cop near them for some reason too,

1153
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: and they waved goodbye to the team bust and there's

1154
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: no explanation. I thought, have I am I seen things? Why?

1155
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: Like why is Jeff Fisher there? Why is he why

1156
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: is he allowed on the grounds? I mean, if or

1157
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: choosing to go there, there's probably a very logical explanation,

1158
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: like he was going to clean up his his office

1159
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: or something. But something with something was very sad and

1160
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: eerie about it reminded me you said ghosts of like

1161
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: the ghosts that that people said they saw at the

1162
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: back of Three Men? Was that Jeff Fisher even there

1163
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: was it like the players wishing that he was there

1164
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: and then he I don't know. I have the theory

1165
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: that every coach it gets fired becomes a ghost on

1166
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: that team's campus. And we just happen to see the

1167
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: specter and it's kind of like some type of weird

1168
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: thing where they there was something Mike Patton walking around

1169
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: you got, you know, just like a massive humanity uh

1170
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: and and brea. But yeah, we did get to see

1171
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: Greg Williams the last episode. That a nice job of

1172
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: showing where everyone ended up like, uh, like the offensive

1173
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: coordinator in Buffalo and Greg Williams right back and now

1174
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: in all Brown's Greers screaming and mother effing all the

1175
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: players like Bud killing. I mean, how is this guy

1176
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: keep getting the top defensive jobs? Could you play sport

1177
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: for Greg Williams? I could not. I would not respond

1178
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: well to somebody treating human beings that way. Also, what

1179
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: about you know, the Browns they had to see the

1180
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: tape of that that Saints game too. That's not let's

1181
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: not like like Greg Williams is unassailable. As if it's

1182
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,919
Speaker 1: not as if the Browns also had their absolute pick

1183
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: of any sort of person they wanted to come in

1184
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: and coach their defense. I mean, you've got us, You've

1185
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: got slim pickings, and they go, Greg Williams, all right,

1186
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: So there you go and hard knocks a reminder, will

1187
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: we will talk hard knocks in a couple of weeks. Uh.

1188
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: The season a very and highly anticipated season with the

1189
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers and uh and around will do the

1190
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,439
Speaker 1: right ups and we'll talk about it on the show.

1191
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: Um before we go. This past weekend was the NFL

1192
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: Media Family and End's Day. How about that? Is that

1193
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: the first annual? Yes, it was a new initiative by

1194
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: leadership up above, and uh it was a very nice day.

1195
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: We got uh Mark you and your family there. Greg,

1196
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: we lost you, but you were there with the wife

1197
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: Walker my son. It was very hot that day and

1198
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,439
Speaker 1: he just started laying down on the pavement as as

1199
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: Alice was jumping in the bouncy castle, and he was like,

1200
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: all right, we gotta go. He's literally down eventually, like

1201
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: Mark and myself and Emily and Simone, we wanted to

1202
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: take the kids and show him where we sit. You

1203
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: know that that security guy. I you know that I

1204
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: declared vengeance against that guy uh years ago over entrance,

1205
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: over him, him and his his his parking rules which

1206
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: are unfair. And I should be able to spark park

1207
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: in a reserve spot and I will one day. And

1208
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: when I do, and you know who you are, I

1209
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: will laugh in your face. Anyway, we try to take

1210
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: our kids to show our desk, and there he is again,

1211
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: not a m the security man saying no nobody without

1212
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: a badge and come in. I was like my son's

1213
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: three age old tradition to go visit your because you

1214
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: had a badge, but the kids couldn't. No kids or

1215
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: family allowed. So Mark and ill town sheriff we got

1216
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: wildly and then Mark, you made a bit of a

1217
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: rookie mistake. You then asked if we were allowed to

1218
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: go to a different area, which he promptly said no.

1219
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: We waited till he Whenever somebody, whenever an authority figure

1220
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: is being, what you need to do is look for

1221
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: ways to undermine him, and never never communicate with him.

1222
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: You wait till he turns his back and you go.

1223
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: I immediately got a shut down in another area of

1224
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: the of the premises. So what we did. We wait

1225
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: until he turned around. We went and we did a

1226
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: tour of the studio and everything. That was fun. And

1227
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: then I said, hey, I know Mr Security man is

1228
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: not gonna like it, but let's go to the podcast studio.

1229
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: Uh and now, and this has yet another reason to

1230
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: check out our video program. We got uh Luke and Culton,

1231
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: Mark's boys and Jack and Harrison my boys took over

1232
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: the airs here in the A T N podcast studio

1233
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: and uh, you could check it out right now if

1234
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: you're watching video. And I thought that was quite a

1235
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: fun thing. It was great. It's also on my Facebook page.

1236
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: Feel free to add. No, no no, you're not adding, getting

1237
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: out of my Facebook page. But you're gonna wait. This week,

1238
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: the Jets are brown. Oh great, you guys are probably

1239
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: giving good at the houses. Here we are in the

1240
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: NFL podcast studio. Say hi, everybody, who's your favorite team? Nice?

1241
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: Good by, Harrison. Who's your favorite team? Who's your favorite team? Player? Players? Okay,

1242
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: sounds back the bug fantasy football fan. I'm fair advantage

1243
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: Sessor's got your boys by a few years podcast. All right,

1244
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: that's it's good. Um, yeah, my son his favorite team

1245
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: is player. Uh. It shows that maybe he's a fantasy

1246
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: football fan, maybe he doesn't value teams. And I personally,

1247
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: if he doesn't want to be a Jets fan and

1248
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: Harry doesnt want to be a Jet fan, I am

1249
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: not going to stand in the way because I know well,

1250
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean, let's say, if you aren't able to watch

1251
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: the video, they are in Jets clothing, so there is

1252
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: some influence being wheeling. No, I'm totally lying. They have.

1253
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: If they want me to fully love them, they'll be

1254
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: Jets fans. But that was a great That was a

1255
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: great little event. And uh, West and two years you

1256
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: could bring your young son as well into the procedures.

1257
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: And maybe twins. You know something I don't know. The

1258
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: human body is an interesting thing. Pump out twins and

1259
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: the way you go, we all got two boys. Twins

1260
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: do run in my family? They do? You know? I

1261
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: have a daughter, you know, Shot, I thought we all

1262
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: had everyone I know has all boys except for you,

1263
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: which is a strange thing. Is having a daughter is

1264
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: a great thing. I recommended highly. Yeah, that's what they say.

1265
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: There's no pure love I was told and a daughter

1266
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: for her father. That won't be happening in the Sessler

1267
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: family will be fine. Thank you. All Right, that's it

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Speaker 1: for today's edition of the Around the NFL podcast presented

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Speaker 1: by New Era. We will be back on Thursday, and

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Speaker 1: that will be or Friday. What do we doing Thursday? Friday?

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Speaker 1: We'll be back later this week most likely. Uh and

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Speaker 1: uh and then after that show we're back three times

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Speaker 1: a week, um until we all die. So very exciting.

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Speaker 1: Uh and uh. It's something to go now, it's something

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Speaker 1: to predicting a winter death. I like that. Thanks to

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Speaker 1: everyone behind the glass. Check it out again NFL dot com,

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Speaker 1: slash a t N video Stan Hansas signing up for

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Speaker 1: the mailman. Uh, the Boss, the Sizzler and we'll climb

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Speaker 1: the glass. Also say all that