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Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast

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Speaker 1: DAM Pure Normal podcast Network. Now get ready for another

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Speaker 1: episode of Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to our podcast. Please be aware of the thoughts and

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Speaker 1: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions

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Speaker 1: or their sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage

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Speaker 1: you to do your own research and discover the subject

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Speaker 1: matter for yourself. Hi, I'm Sanders Champlain. For almost twenty

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Speaker 1: five years, I've been on a journey to prove the

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Speaker 1: existence of life after death. On each episode will discuss

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Speaker 1: the reasons we now know that our loved ones have

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Speaker 1: survived physical death and so will be welcome to Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. Today, we're going to talk about romance

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Speaker 1: Across the Vale and you're going to meet Mary Beth

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Speaker 1: span Mank, who is a puppeteer and a former elementary

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Speaker 1: school teacher and freelance writer. In fact, she's authored over

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Speaker 1: forty teacher resource books and over seventy five for children. However,

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Speaker 1: her husband Paul passed into the spirit world, and when

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Speaker 1: she went on a search for the afterlife, what she

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Speaker 1: found is amazing. She and her friend, author William Murray,

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Speaker 1: whose wife has passed from cancer. Together they have created

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Speaker 1: a Facebook group called Love Afterlife Mary Beth. Welcome, Sandra,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me on your show.

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Speaker 1: I am so honored. I'm honored for many reasons, because

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Speaker 1: you have so many stellar stars on your show, so

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Speaker 1: many adulous voices. But also I'm honored because you're someone

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Speaker 1: who everyone admires. I have to say, I've been in

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Speaker 1: the afterlife community for a few years now, and I

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Speaker 1: have never heard of disparaging word about Sunder Champlain. Everyone

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Speaker 1: loves you very much. You are sincere and warm and

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Speaker 1: humorous and supportive and understanding, and I'm just so very

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Speaker 1: jazzed to be on your show, very honored. I feel

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Speaker 1: the same way. Let me just interrupt you for a second,

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Speaker 1: because I know you are a real person with a

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Speaker 1: real story, And even though neither one of us are

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Speaker 1: you know, superstar celebrities in the world, we've both experienced

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Speaker 1: our own grief and we're here to share, and I

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Speaker 1: think that's what makes our stories real. Believable and that

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Speaker 1: we can make a difference with others. So I feel

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Speaker 1: the same way about you. Yes, so thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Like many of your listeners who come to you, I

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Speaker 1: think most people, I would venture most people come to

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Speaker 1: learning about the afterlife and about our intrigued because they

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Speaker 1: have quote unquote loss someone to death. My own parents

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Speaker 1: have passed in a very dear aunt of my past,

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Speaker 1: and I was sad when they did, but nothing prepared

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Speaker 1: me for the grief I felt when my husband passed.

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Speaker 1: I felt like a train hit me or a wrecking

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Speaker 1: ball hit me. I've never felt that level of pain.

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Speaker 1: So my story with my husband Paul goes like this.

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Speaker 1: I was born in Dublin, Ireland, and adopted into a

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Speaker 1: family in Buffalo, New York. I grew up in Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: and when I was in high school, I met Paul

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Speaker 1: and I was instantly smitten. We just got along so

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Speaker 1: well and we started dating. And on our very first date,

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Speaker 1: he said to me, Mary Beth, I this is seventy

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Speaker 1: which is made my heart flutter, and I want to

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Speaker 1: But in that time we just lacked our heads off.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know where this came from, Sander, really, truly,

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Speaker 1: what I did, Sandra, was I got things like your book,

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Speaker 1: because that's really what it was. The cancer journey. As

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Speaker 1: voices and peep this historic fans and it would take

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Speaker 1: me for maybe a minute of recording, it could take

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Speaker 1: me like two hours to get a tiny teeny bit.

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Speaker 1: Each fance is about a half an hour long. But

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Speaker 1: in doing that, I felt like I really began to

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Speaker 1: know these people. I felt like they were friends of mine,

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Speaker 1: and I recognized in them. Even though the things that

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Speaker 1: they discussed are different than what Paul and I discussed,

437
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: and all that, the love and the devotion and the

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Speaker 1: excitement that they had just to be communicating with each

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Speaker 1: other was something that was very very familiar to me,

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Speaker 1: and it gave me such hope that this would be

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Speaker 1: true for Paul and me, and it was so very believable.

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00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: And the other thing I loved about it. I always

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Speaker 1: say to people that Dr Dinha Nanji, who was a

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Speaker 1: chemist from India, and that's significant because often scientists are

445
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Speaker 1: not so willing to step into our community. And as

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Speaker 1: you listen to the recordings through the years, as fifteen

447
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Speaker 1: years worth of recordings, dingeon that with Mr Flint twice

448
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: a year, you can see his own grief lifting off

449
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: of him and through the years, through the conversations, and

450
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Speaker 1: towards the end he's saying, oh, yes, I'm an eighty

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Speaker 1: year old man that people don't even believe the stuff.

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00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: Don't I look good? And you can see that, you know,

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Speaker 1: as long as he knows she's there, As long as

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Speaker 1: we know our loved ones are there and they're happy,

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Speaker 1: and they're healthy, and they love us, and we will

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Speaker 1: be reunited in the relationship we are familiar with. As

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Speaker 1: long as we know that that continues in that way,

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Speaker 1: and that's what the Nanji recordings reassured me of, then

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Speaker 1: I can go on. I can go on. And in

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Speaker 1: the recordings, which there's like so much stuff to talk

461
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: you know, so many references that it would be impossible,

462
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: obviously to bring your listeners every single piece of it.

463
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Speaker 1: But the relationship here continues. It's it continues right now

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Speaker 1: as a transdimensional relationship, as William Murray coined it. And

465
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Speaker 1: when we get over there, it continues the way it is.

466
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Speaker 1: I love them because when I listened to the recording

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Speaker 1: and Sandra, I pick up on kind of four different

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Speaker 1: categories of conversation that this husband and wife have with

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Speaker 1: each other. And the first is that they just have

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Speaker 1: ordinary husband wife banter. Some of the people who have

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Speaker 1: listened to the tapes, they say, it's almost like you're

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Speaker 1: eavesdropping on them, you know, in there for the privacy

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Speaker 1: of their home. For examples, just correct me up. One day,

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Speaker 1: she said to him that hat you're wearing and he says, yes,

475
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Speaker 1: I'm She says, well, it's just so old. I want

476
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Speaker 1: you to get a new hat. And he says, no,

477
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: it's fine, and she said, no, no, no, no, it's

478
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Speaker 1: so old. I want you to go out and get

479
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Speaker 1: yourself a new hat and that will be from me.

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Speaker 1: And isn't that so typical of so many marriages where

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Speaker 1: people say, oh, you're wearing that today. Oh that's funny,

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00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: and you're right having these audios. It's like she's right

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00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: there in the room. Which is the point. Heaven or

484
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: the afterlife isn't out there somewhere in the clouds. People

485
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: exist with us, just on a different vibration, but they're

486
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: very real. So let's take our next break and when

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Speaker 1: we come back, we'll hear about the three other things

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Speaker 1: you were talking about. You're listening to Shades of the

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Speaker 1: back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders, Samplain Mary Beth.

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00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: You were saying, what you have heard is that our

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00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: loved ones are right here with us witnessing what's happening.

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00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit more about what's being

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Speaker 1: said on these recordings? Throughout the number of different recordings.

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00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: Every so often she'll say to him things like, you're

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00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: keeping my things, as she says, my bits and pieces.

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00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: And he says, I'll never part with any of them.

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00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: And she says, oh, you know you, it's okay, And

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00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: he says, no. When I die, it'll be time for

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00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: other people can get rid of them. Then I won't

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00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: meet them. But right now, he says, I often bury

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00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: I face in your clothes and I smell them. I mean,

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00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: how many of us have done that with a loved one.

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00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: It's so these little reports, even though the little tiny

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00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: threads into their life. For me, it made me feel

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00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: like we're all the same. For all we know how

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00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: many people have felt this. Everybody, most everybody, unless you

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00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: know you pass when you're a baby, most everybody feels

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00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: this kind of thing. Anne's very funny, and she also

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00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: tells Mr Flint that he eats too much and he's

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00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: too fat, and everybody laughed in the stance. I mean

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Speaker 1: it in a good way. Really, it's the stances are funny.

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00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: They're upbeat. There's nothing heavy or desperate or horrible about them.

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00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: One of my favorite quotes, he says to her, when

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Speaker 1: I come to see you, when I in other words,

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00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: when I passed and I'm with you, will I be

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00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: able to feel your kiss on my lips? And she says,

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00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: of course, of course you will. She said, our world

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00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: is as solid to us as yours is to you.

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00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,959
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. It's so beautiful, and

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Speaker 1: for me it implies even more than a kiss. You know.

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00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: People want more than that, They want the full whole

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Speaker 1: experience with a romantic loved one. And so she's reassuring him,

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00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: of course, darling, of course, of course, of course that's

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00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: the way it is. And she says, she comes to

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Speaker 1: him and she touches his hand, and she you know,

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Speaker 1: or she knocks on the wall, she does all these

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00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: different things that people report, you know, signs from their

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Speaker 1: loved ones. Also, she says interestingly that if he goes

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Speaker 1: shopping and he sees something he would have purchased for

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Speaker 1: her if she were here, she says, I see you

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00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: shopping for me, and I see you wanting to pick

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Speaker 1: things for me, and I tell you, I am replicating

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00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: them in our life here, and when you get here

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00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: you will see the So that's that's kind of cool.

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00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, so it's a very morning world, this spirit world, yes,

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Speaker 1: very real, yes, yes. And every morning I poured coffee.

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00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: I poured two cups of coffee. If you were here

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00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: right now, you see two cups of coffee on my table,

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00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: one for Paul and one for me, you know, and

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00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: I sitting I talked to him, sometimes mentally and sometimes

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Speaker 1: out loud. But one time I thought to myself, you know,

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00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: sometimes I drink his cup too, but sometimes I just

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00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: poured down the sink, and I think it's kind of

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00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: a waste. And I had a reading I'm not kidding

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00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: you with the medium online. I wasn't even talking to

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00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: it was just to the chat room and she was

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00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: reading me and she said, he's bringing me the smell

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Speaker 1: of coffee and he's saying it's not a waste. And

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00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: she didn't even know what that meant. Oh that's great,

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00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: I know, isn't it cool? So a lot of the

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00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: Antie Nanji and Ding John Angie parallels to you know,

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00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: what I'm experiencing in my life here. So when I

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Speaker 1: pour a Paul a cup of coffee. I am I,

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Speaker 1: and he is receiving that a lot of people allart

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00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: to just make this point that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who are grieving are looking for science from their loved one.

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00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: And what William Murray and I tell people is, don't

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00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: worried about that so much. Just start by giving them signs,

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00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's the opposite, like pour

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00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: the cup of coffee for them. I love that. Yes,

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00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: go shopping and pick up something, pick up like I

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00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, some flowers or something, and say

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00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: these are for you. You You don't even have to really

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00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: buy them, or you could buy them and bring them

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00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: home for him or her. And then once you begin

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00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: to raise your own feelings and feel better, better, better,

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00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: you will notice them because they are around you all

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Speaker 1: the time. It's just as sometimes in grief were so

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00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: distracted and so upset and so sad. It empowers you

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00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: to be able to do something yourself. You know, write

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00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: them a letter, Write them a letter. This is good.

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00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: I have not heard it put this way. Give them

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00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: a sign, and it really is the acting as if

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00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: they're with you. Pour the cup of coffee, whether you

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00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: don't buy a gift in your mind, saying this is

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00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: what I have for you, and whether it's flowers, whether

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00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: it is a gift. And I've heard Scott Milligan, who's

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00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: a physical medium, say they get the gifts when we

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00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: think it, when we present it. So being proactive, acting

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00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: as if they're with you, talking to them, including them,

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00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: and that does make us feel better and in turn,

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00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: when our vibrations are higher, and that's what I believe

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00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: it takes for them to communicate with us. So I

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00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: think you just said something like brilliant, didn't You may

615
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: not realize how brilliant, but brilliant to the ordinary things.

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00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: One of the women in our after, like the who's

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00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: husband passed and she's alone, she lives alone and she's elderly,

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00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: lovely woman, but her family is not on board with this,

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Speaker 1: and according to her, they think she's you know, lost

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00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: her crackers or whatever version I think. But she said

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00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: she was thinking so sad and just walking around her

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00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: house alone, empty, sobbing, sobbing desperately, she said, screaming for

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Speaker 1: her house, screaming, so William and I, you know, just

624
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: talk to him, And she said, I just even though

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00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: I felt silly. Pauled by myself. I did. I talked

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00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: aloud to him, and she said I started feeling him.

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00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: I really started began to feel him around me, and

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00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: she tells about all she says, now I can tell

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00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: he's sitting right here. I mean, so it really does

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00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: work to help you raise your vibration. And it's also

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00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: not about just them giving to you, it's about you

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00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: getting I'd love to hear more about how you came

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00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: together with William and you had said something to me

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00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: earlier about affirmations that William uses and how it impacts

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00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: your grief, and talk about your Facebook group and your

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00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: Zoom too, if I made Just before I go there,

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00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: I just want to close out with the nag. But

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Speaker 1: one very wonderful quote that she said that I think

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00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: is really to these two things that I think it's

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Speaker 1: really helpful for people who are suffering the way I

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00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: was suffering. He was talking about the fact that he

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Speaker 1: went to a garden where they hit a powk or

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Speaker 1: something where they had been and he was starting to

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Speaker 1: get a little teary and he remembered and he's longing

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Speaker 1: for her. Even though we could talk to her, he

646
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: could still he's still We would all Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: we will like if I light on, for he had that,

648
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: but it still wasn't enough, you know, he wanted to

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Speaker 1: be with it. And he said, I go to the

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Speaker 1: spot where you were, and I recall those precious moments,

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Speaker 1: And she said, they will come again, and they will

652
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: be even more wonderful here. When you come, you will

653
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: understand things I cannot possibly tell you because words I

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00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: don't know. If you try to remember the wonderful things

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Speaker 1: and the wonderful happenings we shared here, it is so

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00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: much more when you come to me. That's all I

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00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: care about. And every time she comes to him, she's

658
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: all excited and she she always says, oh, what shall

659
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 1: we talk about? What did you hear this little sweet?

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00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,959
Speaker 1: Did she accent? What shay? Did we talk about? Now?

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00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: She says to him, Oh, my darling, I can think

662
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: of nothing but I love you. But that is everything,

663
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Speaker 1: And I think, oh my god, it's just food from

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Speaker 1: my soul. My god, my Paul is still there with

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00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: me every day. He's waiting for me and he's loving me.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I want to reassure that that is

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Speaker 1: true for all of us. You know, if you're someone

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Speaker 1: who lost a husband or a sweetheart or a fiance

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Speaker 1: or whatever, twin soul. Go listen to the end of

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Speaker 1: Nagy And I've got five of the record or five

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Speaker 1: of the transcripts, and we have a couple other people

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00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: working on them as well to us at that. But

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00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: this is all going to come together eventually in a book. Yes, yes,

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00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: well that's not yes our goal. Yes, so we're working

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Speaker 1: on a book and the book will be like a

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Speaker 1: guide book for the Nagies, and any of the proceeds

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00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: will go back to the trust because Jack curates the website.

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Speaker 1: Of course that costs money, and to all these things,

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00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: you know, things cost money, even with volunteers, and so

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00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: we feel like this will be a help to people

681
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: like so the most definitely, as we can all map

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Speaker 1: on our relationships, even though you know it isn't our

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00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: loved one speaking through it, but you'll see how real

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Speaker 1: they are. Be patient, take a breath. And something else

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Speaker 1: that was interesting from Karl was I said to him

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Speaker 1: sometimes I lament effect that some of my nearest endears

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Speaker 1: are not on board with this, and it's hard to

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Speaker 1: share my enthusiasm for it with them. And he said,

689
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Speaker 1: I don't share it with people, I don't unless he

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Speaker 1: knows they're life minded. But he said, I just don't.

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Speaker 1: And I think you want so long to be so

692
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: excited to share it like with the people that you're

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Speaker 1: closest to, but if they're not on board, it can

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Speaker 1: be very discouraging. And the last thing we need is

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Speaker 1: any sort of discouragement. So it just blessed them and

696
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: let them have their own half and share with the

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Speaker 1: people who you know are going to go hit hit parade.

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00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: And so William Murray is done the afterlife, many of

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Speaker 1: the afterlife groups, and he was married to his wife

700
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: Irene as soulmates that were married for many years, over

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Speaker 1: twenty years together, and Irene passed from cancer as well.

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Speaker 1: And he wrote a book that's online. It's called Love Afterlife.

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00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: It's an Amazon book that's available for uh like really

704
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: minimal amounts. But they also has a blog and if

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Speaker 1: you google his name William Murray and you are a

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00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: y and blog, it will come up. Love Afterlife is

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00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: his blog and the book is available as a pdf

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00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: for free on his blog page if you want to

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00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: look at back. So, yeah, so William and I were

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00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: on these other afterlife groups and began to gravitate toward

711
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: each other. As law of attraction will have people who

712
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: are like minded gravitate toward each other. And William began

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00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: to just firstly described how the grief was so incredibly fearing.

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00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: It was horrible for him. You know, he was having

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00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: panic attacks, he was throwing up. He couldn't imagine his

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Speaker 1: wife without his Diyrene, and they have six children between

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Speaker 1: the two of them, and you know, he wasn't ready

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Speaker 1: to take himself out. And so William knows very smart.

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00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: He's like my mentor. And he and I both agreed

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00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: in our own heads, not with each we hadn't even communicated,

721
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: but I mean we were in agreement with this fact

722
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: that there is no death and that if we were

723
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: going to feel our love going around us, we had

724
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: to lift ourselves up out of that deep, deep grief.

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Speaker 1: You know, his learning was a little bit different than mine.

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00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: I've learned from a lot of different teachers, but much

727
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: of our teachings were the same that we brought to

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00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: this grief experience. And William decided, which I think was

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00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: brilliant Dad. He noticed that when he felt Irene's presence

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00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: around him, it would feel good for a no a second,

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00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: and then that grief would kick in and he began

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Speaker 1: saying to her out loud, irene, don't stop coming near me,

733
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: let me handle my own grief. I want to feel

734
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: your love. And he allowed himself to feel it more

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00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: and more and more and more, and he kept his blog,

736
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: and in the blog he started saying, Hey, you know what,

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00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: it's been three weeks. I haven't felt that fearing. Of course,

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00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: I've still longed for her, but it's not as bad.

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Speaker 1: And eventually he realized he had eradicated it, and he

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Speaker 1: did it. In his book, he has a number of

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Speaker 1: I guess you could call them action steps that he

742
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Speaker 1: took to really eradicate the grief. And meanwhile, on my own,

743
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: irrespectable what William was doing, I was doing similar things.

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00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: And we found together that we're more in love with

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00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: our crossover sweethearts than even we were when they were here.

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00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: And William says that part of the purpose of grief.

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Speaker 1: He said, imagine when we get there, how sagulous that reunion,

748
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Speaker 1: how amazing that reunion. Oh my gosh, I know what

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Speaker 1: it's like to have a reunion with someone living that

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Speaker 1: you haven't seen in a very long time. Just imagine

751
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: what it's like when you cross over and they're all

752
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: there to greet you, even the pets. We're going to

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Speaker 1: go into our last break and we'll be back with

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Speaker 1: we're with Mary Beth talking about Man's across the Veil.

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Speaker 1: Mary Beth, what you guys are working on is so important.

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Speaker 1: I think of traditional grief groups and they don't even

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00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: touch the afterlife. Many of the other grief groups, of

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00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: traditional grief groups online or people you know, and they're

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00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: all well intended, Sandra, but so many of them really

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Speaker 1: they really ascribe to the notion that yes, you love

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00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: your love, and yes you can communicate with them, yes

782
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: you can feel better, but you're always going to have

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00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 1: that whole in your heart. And William and I didn't

784
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: feel that, and so we kind of broke off and

785
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: did our own thing. And we have a Facebook group

786
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: called Love Afterlife, and we have a zoom Room meeting

787
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: where we meet every week. And now William and I

788
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: just sort of sit back and they all kind of

789
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: talked to each other about can you imagine it's amazing

790
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: this and this amazing that? And William and I we

791
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: really believe that the most paramount thing is to believe

792
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: that every single thing that happens to you is for

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00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: your own benefit, including your partner's cancer, and including death.

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00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: Every single thing is for your own benefit. And if

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00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: you can find the parts to appreciate. I know it sounds,

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00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: I know it sounds so pollyanna ish, but if you

797
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: can find the parts to appreciate, which is different from gratitude.

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Speaker 1: Gratitude is thank you, thank you, thank you. I would

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Speaker 1: never say that for cancer or Paul's passing, by the way,

800
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: but but there are things that can appreciate about it,

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00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: about those things. And if you can find the parts

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00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: you can appreciate, if you can begin to support yourself

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00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: from the inside out and do whatever is necessary can

804
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: make yourself feel better and better and better and better,

805
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: then you can feel your loved one with you. And

806
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: I feel Paul with me all the time. I mean

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00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: it's funny. I almost feel on him coming and going

808
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: the way you would in a normal situation, like he

809
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: went to work and I went to work, and then

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00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: we came back together and at dinner. You know, he's

811
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: not with me every single second of the day, but

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00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: there's times when he just kind of whoshes in and

813
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: I say oh, thank you. That's the other thing. William says,

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00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: thank you to everything. Um people will say I had

815
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: the craziest dream last night. I dreamt that my husband's

816
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: spirit went off and doesn't love me anymore. And William

817
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: would say, that's your husband visiting mixed in with your fears.

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00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: So thank your husband for coming in your and say, oh, honey,

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00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry and I'm so fearful about so many

820
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: other things. Thank you for showing up. And I promise

821
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to try and feel better. So next time

822
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: you show up, it's easier for you to get through.

823
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: So there's nothing that shows up on William's radar. And

824
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm practiced as well at this or my radar as

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00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: something horrible, tragic, disgusting, hideous, nothing, nothing. It's all good,

826
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,959
Speaker 1: and it's all for our benefit. And the afterlife is real.

827
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: Our loved us are right there, They're right here. The

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00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: afterlife is all about us. It's not anywhere far off.

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00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 1: It's not up in the heavens there anything, it's right here.

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00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: And so that's what we tell people. And here's another thing.

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Speaker 1: William said, you know what, at the end of our life,

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00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: let's say we close your eyes and there's nothing. Well,

833
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: there's not going to be anybody there to say, ha,

834
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: how are you are wrong? And I would rather live

835
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,959
Speaker 1: my rest of my life with Irene in my heart

836
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: and in my life and in my thoughts, that in

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00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: my actions, then not have her with me. And so

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00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: that's why I've chosen to live my life as well.

839
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. I do believe we close our eyes and

840
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: we open them and everybody's there, including our animals, are

841
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: loved ones. Yeah, I don't it's not even do I

842
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: think we go on. It's like I know, we go on.

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00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: Mary Beth, you have been a phenomenal guest, you saying

844
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: you're just a regular person as am I, But I

845
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: do think it is your journey, your pain, your experiences,

846
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: your interests. You're taking the time to go out searching

847
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: and now I tell you, I think you're raising your

848
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: vibrations also by giving back and going through all these

849
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: many tapes and writing the book and sharing and speaking.

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00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: And I can't even imagine how many people who have

851
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: lost their soul mates or think they have lost them,

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00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: that you're able to reunite and give them hope. So

853
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: thank you for that. Well, and it changed my view

854
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: on death, of course. I mean I had my ex

855
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: mother in law Grammar to my kids just recently passed.

856
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: It was sad and I love her dearly, but I

857
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: know she's perfectly well and happy and young and fine,

858
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: and so takes the bite out of death, the death

859
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: experience when when someone you love dies, When you know

860
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: these things, it still hurts, but it's not so horrible,

861
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: and it's doable, and we're all in this together, and

862
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: it happens to almost virtually, like I said, unless you

863
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: die when you're you know, very very very very young,

864
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 1: it happens to all of us eventually. I think that

865
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: you know this community and you're offerings your radio show,

866
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 1: and everybody who contributes in all their many different ways

867
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: not a horrible, hideous thing. It's a very exciting, invigorating, wonderful, sparkling,

868
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: wondrous world to be in the world of afterlife. And

869
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 1: so I'm so that that Paul ushered me into this. Yeah,

870
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: and anyone UM that's lost a loved one, I hate

871
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 1: to use the word lost, because they're not lost. Can

872
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: they be part of your group? Well, yes, as long

873
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: as they have UM Like for example, some people come

874
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: to us and said my son died, and we gently

875
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: and gracefully decline them because we are not experts. We

876
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: have no notion about what it's like when a child passes.

877
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: That's a whole different kettle of fish. And so William

878
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't even begin to address that. And William

879
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: goes out of his way every single time he speaks

880
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: or talks to say to people. In my opinion, in

881
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: my experience, in my own knowing, this may not be

882
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: your knowing. That's right. Williams just recently had an astral

883
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: projection with Irene that he's talking about, you know, in

884
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: the groups and things like that. So I don't think

885
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: it's a secret. And he now is convinced more than

886
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 1: ever he went and met with her, and so that's

887
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 1: so exciting. I haven't had that happened. But he'll say,

888
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: here's how it happened for me. I don't know that

889
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: this is going to be your path. I don't know.

890
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: Here's what happened for me. I'll share it with you.

891
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: But I am not you. And so you're you might

892
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: not have an astro projection no matter how hard you try,

893
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: because that may not be in the cards to you.

894
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly how every single None of us

895
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: are sure exactly how every single thing works. We don't

896
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: know everything single thing works here on earth, you know,

897
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: so he always we always give that caveat that it's

898
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 1: not our experience may not be exactly your experience, but

899
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,479
Speaker 1: I will tell you that it's beneficial always, no matter

900
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: what your circumstances, to always reach for something that feels better, better, better, better,

901
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: that does serve you and people around you. We can

902
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: always learn and take nuggets from anything, even if we

903
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: don't buy into everything we hear. But the name of

904
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: your Facebook group, our group is uh Love Afterlife. And

905
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: by the way, I want to say sounder what you

906
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: just said. William and I also have We know, we

907
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: have our own things, but we also advised people take

908
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: it or leave it. But we also advise people that

909
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: in the world of the afterlife, you're going to hear

910
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: things that don't resonate with you and William and I

911
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 1: in an effort to keep our vibration high and happy

912
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: and loving. If I hear a piece of information that

913
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: doesn't sound right to me, I just throw it out.

914
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: I don't even pay any attention to it. I don't worry,

915
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: but I did in the past. I would read stuff

916
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: and I would be and it would throw me for

917
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: a loop. I'd be shobbing out loud. Now I think, oh, well,

918
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: that doesn't personate with me, and I just discarded it.

919
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: And maybe they're sticking my head in the sand. I

920
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: don't know, but I don't care. Take what empowers you,

921
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: and that goes for any information you get from anybody,

922
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: whether it's on one of these episodes, a book you read.

923
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: You know, don't throw the whole thing out because of

924
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,479
Speaker 1: one thing. Take what empowers you, because we are each

925
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: on our own individual journey, and just exactly one thing

926
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 1: about your Facebook group, I have no problem that you

927
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: are communicating with people who are interested in the transdimensional

928
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: love life. Uh. And there are great groups like Helping

929
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: Parents Heal that work with grieving parents, and if you're

930
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: not a grieving parents, you know that may not be

931
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: the group for you because it is specialized and there

932
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: are so many yes and yeah, and it's possible to

933
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: some of the tenements and some of the things that

934
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: we share our useful for those people, but we just

935
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: don't feel we really feel like that's way out of

936
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: our elements. Well, and I are only working on our

937
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: own experience and what works for us and what's been

938
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: helpful for us. That's what we can share knowledgeably. But

939
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: my children are here. I haven't lost a child, so

940
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: I can't speak responsibly in any way. Man are formed

941
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: to anyone who has, for example, lost of child. But

942
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 1: yet there are groups who can do. And if someone's

943
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: listening right now and on one of these episodes, we

944
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: have not covered your particular area of grief, I can

945
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: nine percent guarantee you that I know someone to connect

946
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: you with or a Facebook group, So feel free to

947
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: write me Sandra Champlain at gmail dot com and I

948
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: will be able to connect you with the right group

949
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: or several of them. But very bath, it's time for

950
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: us to uh say our final words. Yeah. I knew

951
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: it would go by fast, but yeah, do you have

952
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: any a couple of final words you want to share?

953
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: And then I will close out to one of the interviewing. Yeah,

954
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: one one of the little you know. I have all

955
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: these different little axioms and things in little little um

956
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: you know affirmations, I mean William William will Some of

957
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: William's affirmations are things like you know, Irene, Irene, you

958
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: and I are together, Irene, we are in love. I

959
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: know you're right here. You know, he constantly won't reassure

960
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 1: himself that way. And then his book, he has all

961
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: of the enlisted, so you can go and read his

962
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: book for free. But one of the little things I

963
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: love that I often say to myself that I've picked

964
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: up in some little wacky book that they actually talked

965
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: to you about how you can prepare a body for

966
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: death yourself, which I wasn't intending to do, but but

967
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: I hit a little cool in the beginning of the

968
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: book and it said, marry me, emmy r r y

969
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: Mary Meat and Mary part and marry Meat again. And

970
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: that's for me, that sums up life. Mary meet, Mary part,

971
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: Mary Meat again. I met Paul when I was a teenager,

972
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: we parted ways. I met him again when I was adult,

973
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: an adult, we came together for a full, fabulous relationship.

974
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: You know. We parted in a certain way when he

975
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: took off the flip side, and we will meet again.

976
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: And that's true for everyone. So I love that. It's

977
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: just it's just so buoyant and happy, and I like

978
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: cheerful things. Mary Meat and Mary part and marry Meat

979
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:41,439
Speaker 1: again and Sandra, I marry meat again with you, Mary Beth.

980
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: You bet we're going to marry meet again absolutely. And

981
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: for our listeners, thanks for listening. Here are some sights

982
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: you want to know. First of all, the Leslie Flint

983
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: Trust website is Leslie Flint dot com and you can

984
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: play thousands of recorded voices and conversations from people in

985
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 1: the afterlife really fantastic on Facebook. If you do have

986
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: a significant other in the afterlife, join the group Love Afterlife.

987
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: Either you can google William murray blog Love Afterlife or

988
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: go to trans Dimensional Love dot blog spot dot com

989
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: and of course our home bases we Don't Die dot com.

990
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: You can join our Facebook group, meet a lot of people,

991
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 1: listen to the past episodes, attend a free Sunday gathering

992
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: with medium demonstration included in everyone, take courses, find out

993
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 1: about grief, and so much more. In closing, I'm Sandra's champlain.

994
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: I want to thank you for listening to Shades of

995
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to

996
00:53:52,400 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: Coast a m paranormal podcast network. Yea, and if you

997
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 1: like this episode of Shades of the Afterlife, wait until

998
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: you hear the next one. Thank you for listening to

999
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Speaker 1: the Heart radio and Coast to Coast, a m paranormal

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