WEBVTT - Hangin' with the Boys: Vander Esch Interview 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.800 The following He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:18.920 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club, Blowing out of the backfield, 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:24.680 exploding down the sidelines. He's Hanging with the Boys, presented 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:29.680 by Windstuff where Flavor gets its wings. Now, your hosts, 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:39.160 Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross, welcome 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:44.960 to the show. It's Friday. Welcome To's WBC Morgan's living 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:49.960 room at Frisco, Texas. Thank you, Wing Stop, another episode 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:55.360 of this award winning show, Hanging with the Boys. Shannon Gross, Jessey, 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:59.280 Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, and do we have a treat 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.920 for you guys. Guys In the second segment, we will 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:06.560 have an Emmy nominated interview with Layton vander ash By 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:10.479 our own Kurt Daniels and none of us have seen 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:12.760 this interview, so we don't know what we're getting into, 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.080 So make sure you stay tuned because we will be 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:18.440 watching it for the first time as well. Oh, how 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:21.760 are we feeling today? It's Friday? How you guys feeling? Man? 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:24.360 Tell you what for? We two days out from a 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.840 Cowboys victory. Lord has been long, it has been hall 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:31.120 but It's gonna be earned, baby. Two days out from 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:35.920 a cow Boys victory. Hop God is dope for what 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.280 Jesse says, So we gotta hope God is dope and 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:46.280 we need a lot victory. Yes, sir, Cowboys gotta this one. 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:48.880 Man's just they don't win this one. Just throw it 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:52.960 in the towel you cover. You're getting to be a 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:58.280 Debbie Dowter Broight one. You know what, I wouldn't be 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.560 surprised if they lose this week. It's a trap game, Shannon, 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:05.480 got to be stopping trap. Stop it. Yeah, trap Shannon. 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.160 You actually have to be good to make it a 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.760 trap game. Like you. The team has to be good 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:15.040 like your Your team a good team in order to 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:17.920 be a trap game. This is Amriti. Cooper is good. 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:23.400 That's it. Yeah, he is. You know, Citee Lamb is good. 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.440 They ain't playing defense all right, let me ask you. 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.200 Let's let's get into it. Kurt sent us a group 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:32.359 text yesterday and it all kinds. I think we're all 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.000 still trying to process it. Nate called me and we 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:39.919 had a long discussion about it. Kurt, what did you 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:42.600 send us yesterday? And I want to get everyone's thoughts 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.600 because I first off, tell tell us what what you 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:48.280 sent us, and then we'll get into it. Well, I 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:52.079 was a tweet John Machada from The Athletic put out 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:57.480 that that coach Mark McCarthy had addressed the team's effort 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.760 and that I think Jaylon Smith had responded that, you 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.160 know a couple of guys did Jalen Smith and Zekie 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:08.280 La both responded that yes, the coach did talk to 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:10.720 them about effort. It's not something he should be having 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.800 to do. YadA YadA, YadA, that sort of thing. I 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.919 think the question all raised eyebrows with us was just 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:22.639 now happening? Is it just now questioning effort? It was 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:26.280 a little bit of surprise. Maybe that's that's my question 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:31.320 to you guys. Surely, surely this isn't the first time. 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.880 This is just the first time that it's being brought 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:41.080 up in the media, right, Nate, Jesse, Nathaniel. Okay, first 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:43.960 of all, when you read that story, when you first 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.040 read that story, Kurt, and you just repeated it to us, 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:51.480 did Zeke and Jay Let's say YadA YadA YadA, because 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:54.760 that's because no, So let me finish, because that's what 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:58.400 I got from that was all coach did was YadA 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:02.240 YadA YadA. He sounded like did Charlie Brown teaching? Yeah, 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:06.640 yah yah yeah. Well we've been seeing this for thirty weeks. 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:10.800 We've been seeing this for thirteen weeks, our lack of 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:14.360 effort on defense, and for this to be now finally 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:20.520 brought out, come on, you know that's you know what, Jesse. 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.120 I'm gonna let you speak YadA YadA YadA. That's all 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.719 I have to say, the Russell Show YadA YadA YadA. 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:28.960 Maybe I shouldn't have worded it like that, but that's 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:33.359 how I sound. That's how sound thirteen weeks later. That 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:39.280 don't bother you, Jesse, That don't bother you. Oh, this 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.480 is trying to get Jesse, trying not to get in trouble. 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:51.279 YadA YadA. Jesse made it all he got, he got, 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.200 he got four weeks left of the season. He almost 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:59.280 made it through an entire season, like he trying, not 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:01.880 just thought. I don't want to be reassigned. I don't 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:06.760 want to be reassigned. Your last option is with Mickey. 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:08.760 You know what I'm saying. I said, you might will 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:10.160 go ahead, and you might will go ahead and take 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:18.400 my badge and all other good stuff. Remember that after 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:22.679 the Browns game, uh mccarthury was quoted as were saying, 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:27.480 we don't have an effort issue. But now see, don't 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.440 do that. Don't feed Jesse, don't feed Jess. I can 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.040 see how he started to fight on his nails and 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:36.000 how he started to think, Jesse, we need a response. 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.800 This is a show where we need your voice. You're 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:41.480 the voice of reason, I know, but see, these are 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:46.560 the moments where my voice has historically gotten me in trouble. Okay, 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.960 these are the points in times where I say things 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.760 and you know, once they come, once they get into 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:56.920 the atmosphere we live in the social media and with 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:08.000 those things don't disappear, right, Um, and so this this team, 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:19.000 this team, UM, take your tent, go ahead on what's 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.080 your This is self preservation, guys, that's the one that 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:33.560 I'm gonna use. They both both and for me and 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.320 for me, i'd much rather respond to the group text 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:41.159 and didn't respond. But here's the thing, and Nate, you 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:44.120 and I we've we've elaborated on this many times before. 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.359 We should never have to talk about effort when it 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:53.599 comes to professional football players. Never like that should be 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:58.080 the last thing any coach should, any coach, any player 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:02.719 should ever have to talk about When I say the 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:06.920 very last, I do mean like wherever the sentence ends 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:10.640 and there's a period or exclamation point, then you should 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:14.960 talk about effort. You get paid to play a child's 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:19.080 game now while it's dangerous and it requires a ton 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:22.800 of sacrifice and a ton of determination. And I'm not 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:28.000 gonna say effort, but effort. You don't have to say. 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.880 You don't have to be a first round talent. You 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:35.920 don't have to be world class speed, you don't have 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.480 to be lifting the you don't have to lift the 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:42.440 weight room. Uh. There's certain things that you don't need 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:49.280 any of those extras to have effort. Like you know 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.200 what I'm saying, Like, oh, Tyreek Hill, he runs a 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.160 four to three. Wow, you know everyone's not blessed to 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.480 run the four three. Uh. You know Larry Allen can 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.760 can lift two houses. Woof, man, everyone's everyone you know 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.360 not to lift two houses. Man. This quarterback has an 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.200 arm that can make every throw. Wof you know he 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.920 could throw the ball seventy yards. Man. That's that's that's 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:10.120 great boy. This running back has such great vision. Man, 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.240 it's only about three in our lifetime that we ever 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:15.000 seen it be able to run like that, those type 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.640 of things. When you talk about effort, it's it's I 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.880 feel like I feel like Adam and Irison. We're talking 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:26.080 about practice, not a game. We're talking about We're talking 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:32.080 about effort. In week thirteen of a professional NFL team, 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:38.920 we're talking about effort. Effort. I give you a fat 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:44.160 check every single week, and I we have to sit 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:48.199 here and talk about you giving effort. Not that you 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.480 can't run fast, or you can't catch, or you can't tackle. 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:56.360 We're talking about effort. And this is what I mean 0:08:56.600 --> 0:09:02.240 when I say you gotta clean house. You have to 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:11.320 clean house because this is an infective place with what 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.600 what what, and if it's not addressed, and if it's 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:18.200 if you don't, if you're not going to we we 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:22.400 become the medicine for other teams. If you're not going 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:26.600 to prescribe something for your own locker room and cleaning 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:33.319 out those cancerous things, then you'll keep talking about this. Nate, 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:35.000 you said, we talked about this for thirty months. That 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.920 ain't the hyphperbole, that it ain't an exaggeration. We've talked 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:42.200 about this last year, right, so we would keep having 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:46.080 these effort execution hero ball. When you keep hearing these 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:51.120 saying things over and over and over, it's it's it's 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:55.800 it's infectious in the wrong way. It's becoming it's spreading. 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.920 And the more guys, especially the guys who are to 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:04.040 supposed to be the leaders of your team, who are 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:08.720 displaying these cancerous characteristics, the more of those guys you 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:12.880 have in your locker room in a leader position, the 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:17.760 more deadly the cancerous thing spread, and the more it 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.720 gets into other guys, and the more it becomes more 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.880 and more of a bad thing for your football team. 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.400 And so you have to be able to eliminate those 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.880 things and bring in new life and bring a new 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:36.000 energy and don't have to ever question effort. If I'm 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:40.480 questioning effort, and week thirteen of the season, the ship 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:44.719 has sunk. This thing is dead and over. There is 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.720 no coming back from this. If we're talking about effort 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:51.800 from professional football players and we thirteen in the National 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:57.760 Football League, that's that's that's my PG take on effort. 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:02.560 It's just something that you know, obviously the coach has 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:04.200 waited too long to maybe address it is. This is 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:07.800 something that the player leadership. You're saying should have addressed 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.760 it way beforehand. Is it is a case where guys 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:13.640 pull somebody aside and say, hey, you're just not giving effort? 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:15.480 Or are they standing up in the locker room and 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.040 calling guys out yelling your leaders are the ones who 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:22.360 are the ones having effort problems? Ye? Yes, yeah, are 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.640 the ones who have the effort problems. And that's the 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:28.880 that's the thing is what when? When when when I 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:32.360 heard Michael learn talking about this this morning and they 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.920 talked about you know, well, you know, well Mike, you 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.720 were just you, you were this this this figure in 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.280 the locker room where people listened to. But yeah, because 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.440 Mike went out there and was putting out, Mike was 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.960 the leader. Not you didn't have And they correct me 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:48.400 if I'm wrong. You just didn't have no Joe blow 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:53.640 standing up in front of the locker room saying stuff. Example, Noah, 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:58.520 because we had strong enough alpha males in our locker room. 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:03.040 If you were the wrong guy to stand up, they 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:06.080 had a loud guy. We had two loud guys in 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.400 our locker room. And if you were the wrong guy 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:12.080 to stand up and say something, one number one. His 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:15.120 name was Kevin golden and his name was Nate Newton. 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:17.880 And if you were the wrong guy who got up 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.240 and said something, one of us would look at each 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:22.760 other and say, you're gonna handle this. We would say, man, 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:28.440 get showed somewhere and sit down. But now, if Michael 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:34.360 Irving got up, or Troy Aitman got up, Charles Haley 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:39.839 got up, we fell solid because they we knew that 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:43.040 they cared about winning, and they did things in the 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:48.440 proper and right manner professionally to win games. That's it 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:50.920 in one but a few guys, not a locker room. 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.240 Now during the game, we would have different guys, you know, 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:57.840 give input, but you didn't. You didn't hold court in 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:00.640 our locker room unless you were a guy of authority, 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:04.959 because you were talking to a bunch of rude, obnoxious, 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:11.000 alpha dominant males, right, And that's the thing. Didn't you 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.760 have anybody like that in your generation of players? Jesse 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:17.319 kind of health, health sway over the locker room. Yeah. 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:19.120 When I was with the Cowboys, you had guys like 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.800 Brady James, You had guys like Keith Brooking, you had 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:25.240 guys like DeMarcus where and uh, you know, you had 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:27.360 you had players like that. You had you had, you 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:31.120 had Colombo, you had Leonard. I mean, you had guys 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:35.160 who when they spoke, you listened. You know what I'm saying. 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.240 You had guys like Jason Witten. When you spoke, they 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:39.640 listened because you knew where they were coming from. You 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:43.400 knew that when when when you know, Jason Witten didn't 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.800 mess a practice, Jason Witten did wasn't trying to wed 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:47.440 a lot of a practice. So Jason Witten. You never 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:49.599 had an effort issue with Jason Witten, So when he 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:53.840 said certain things, you listened, right, DeMarcus were the same way. Uh, 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.040 you guys you know, guys like Brady James the same way. 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.960 These guys you know where their heart and their intentions 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.040 are at and they show it on the football field. 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.760 But these other guys, there was never an effort issue. 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.040 There was never an effort issue with Keith Brookings when 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:07.920 I was there, there was never there was never an 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:11.960 effort issue, uh with with with you know, with guys 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:16.839 like de Marcus Square. I was there. So when those guys, man, 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:21.320 when those guys spoke up, you listened. You heard what 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:23.560 they said. The problem with this team is you got 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:25.280 the leaders of this team are the ones who have 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.600 the effort issues. You have the leaders of the team, 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:29.520 the one who can't line up right. You have the 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.440 leaders of this team who who rather go and do 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:35.200 things everything else. And this is one of the things 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:39.200 that I struggle with and I do, and and Nate 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.480 and I relate to this. We were we were bottom 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:45.240 of the barrel guys. There wasn't there wasn't much room 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.880 for error for us. Okay, we weren't high drive picks. 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.960 We weren't guys who you know, initially had big contracts 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.680 that they gave second and third and fourth and fifth 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.520 chances too. Now, Nate eventually worked his way up to 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.000 that point where he became that kind of a player, 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.320 and and much love and respect to him for that, 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:06.040 I for one, never got to that point. So everything 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:10.080 that I did, I had to do with a maximum effort. 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:13.120 I had to study with the maximum effort. I had 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:15.920 to show up with maximum effort. I had to practice 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.880 with the maximum effort. And so when I hear these 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:23.840 things coming from players, especially the whole alignment assignment thing, 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.960 there's no way, there's no there's no way. When I 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:32.920 had questions, When I had questions, I was going to 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:36.720 see somebody because I had zero room forever, so I 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:38.880 want to make sure. Hold on, I don't understand this. 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.200 Let me walk down the hallway. Let me get on 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.480 the phone to call Jody Camillis, because we got a 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.480 big game coming up and I only get one chance 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:47.120 at a punt, and if I don't get it right 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:48.960 and they get it blocked, that might be my tail 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.120 or you know what, I'm in the rotation this week. 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:52.800 Let me walk down the hall and go see coach 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:54.960 Sherman or go see Coach Robinson, because I want to 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.000 make sure this lineup is right. And let me ask 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.400 questions to coach, you know, coach Garrett as the OC 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.800 slash coach on practice feel about how this should be done, 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:04.480 because if I get an opportunity to do it, I 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:06.760 want to make sure it's done right because my opportunities 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.680 may come fuel far between. This is why I don't 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:14.280 give sympathy to guys who were saying, well, I don't 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.200 know what to do. How the hell do you not 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:20.400 know what to do? When you what are you doing? Like? 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:23.400 What are you like? Get off the game? Okay, get 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:27.000 off all the other outside stuff that you have going on. 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:31.160 You got an offseason for that. If you don't understand something, 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.800 you should be on the horn. You should be in 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.960 the office. You should be in the face six feet 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:43.800 apart of your linebacker, coach, dB coach, defensive line coach, 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:48.960 defensive coordinator. Because I need answers. I need answers because 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:54.920 if I'm unsure and I don't know, if my film 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.560 study doesn't reveal the answer to me, then I need 0:16:57.600 --> 0:16:59.800 to go to the source. I need to go to 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:03.360 the one who's implementing. And that's the part I find 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:09.280 so hard to to to to to understand from these 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.439 guys when they're saying about confusion and effort and stuff 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:17.119 like that, Yeah, what are you doing all day? Because 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:22.040 there is good Jesse, I gotta come. We gotta go 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:25.080 to break. 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Normally 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.359 we have the whole crew here, Nate, Shannon, Jesse, but 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:53.199 we're actually doing this interview on a Saturday, which, with 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.960 the strange Tuesday night game is actually a Thursday, isn't it? 0:19:56.960 --> 0:20:00.600 As far as the team schedules at right. Yep, we 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:03.600 just got done with our battered practice, so yeah that's 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:08.040 a Thursday. Wow. So I know, you know, players are creatures, 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:10.120 have had it. You know, you have specific times where 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.200 you need to be here there even off the field, 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:17.200 you guys, certain guys may have massages on some days 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:21.199 or position dinners or whatever. What is this scrag crazy 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:26.119 scheduling doing for you? Has it been difficult? Yeah, it's been. 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:27.640 I mean it's been a little bit of a struggle, 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:31.680 but um, I think we've managed it pretty well. Um. 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:36.960 Obviously it's I mean, you don't like a schedule change, 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.000 but um, I mean it is what it is, and 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:41.159 we gotta we gotta be able to adjust. And I 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:44.160 think that's what the game of football is and how 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:46.520 this whole season has been. It's been a lot of adjusting, 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:49.880 so and adjusting on the fly. Um. So I mean 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.520 we've been doing our best with that, and yeah, it 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:55.240 comes with its struggles, but um, I think we've managed 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:57.879 that pretty well this week, um, and we're just making 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:02.359 our correct adjustments for each day. You've been kind of 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.520 on a mini bye week here because of the of 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:08.359 the scheduling. Has it been good in terms of getting 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:10.919 some rest, or does a team like this, with the 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:14.040 new staff and younger players and no offseason, do you 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:19.000 kind of wish you had that practice time. I mean, 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.960 the rest is nice, but honestly, I would have just 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:24.000 preferred to keep on romal schedule. I know we couldn't 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:27.879 do that, but I mean we had a few days off. 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:32.160 He let us get away to our families, and so 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:35.120 we just kind of we dealt with that, and then 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:38.920 we've been practicing. We've got an extra practicing this week 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:42.640 for it, so I think we're ahead, and I mean 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:45.119 we're rolling. So we're just getting our stuff in and 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:48.160 making the corrections and going out the next day too. 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:51.119 I guess the tough part then, though, could come on 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:53.400 the back end when you have to play Tuesday then Sunday. 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:55.360 Is that something you guys are already kind of looking 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:58.840 ahead too. Yeah. I mean we just had a short 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:02.360 week too, so that was that was another reason why 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:04.399 I said I wish we could have just stuck to 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.200 a normal schedule, but um, I know we're just subject 0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:10.560 subject to what the league does, um, And so now 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:12.760 we're right back to another short week right after this, 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:16.360 So uh yeah, it's it's a grinder November and December. 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:20.000 So now it's the leaking further into December. So I mean, 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:21.720 we just gotta we had to make do with what 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:23.480 we have and go out there and make the best 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:25.600 of it and keep grinding because we know how to 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:28.439 do that. Are you now, you know they always talk 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:30.959 about the rookie wall. You're you're two years in now, 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:32.560 are you kind of used to the grind? Are you 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:37.120 used to the schedule? Now? Oh? Yeah? The first year 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:43.760 was the yeah. Three. Um, the first year was extremely long, 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:46.560 just because I mean, you go right into combine training 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:48.480 right after your season, and then you go into your 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:50.800 draft stuff, and you go right No tas and training 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:53.119 camp and and then right into your first season. That 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:56.560 first NFL season is so much longer compared to a 0:22:56.680 --> 0:23:00.520 college and so when you get into no Rember, you're 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:02.879 already you're at the end of it, but it seems 0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:06.240 like you have so much more to go. And so 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:09.520 I mean that that was that was quite the year. Um. 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:11.560 But now at this point, I think you kind of 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:14.640 settle in, um and you kind of just take things 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:16.080 one week at a time. The weeks go by so 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:19.359 much faster in the NFL. Than they do college for 0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:22.439 me that I can remember. And so I mean you 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:24.920 just take a week by week, just take things slow 0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:28.160 because they fly by and and you gotta be focused, 0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:30.919 you gotta be ready for that week that you're in. 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:33.480 So uh and before you know what I mean, you're 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:38.479 in week thirteen, fourteen fifteen. Yeah, and I would think 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:40.560 they'd be flying by even more this year because you 0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:43.320 new coaching staff Mike Nolman, trying to put in some 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:46.159 new things, and you had no offseason, you had no preseason. 0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:48.080 I mean, how much of it difficult has that been? 0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:50.080 And are you now do you feel like you're kind 0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:53.520 of reaching that point where yeah, maybe we're getting where 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:58.800