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Speaker 1: Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross, welcome
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Speaker 1: room at Frisco, Texas. Thank you, Wing Stop, another episode
Speaker 1: of this award winning show, Hanging with the Boys. Shannon Gross, Jessey,
Speaker 1: Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, and do we have a treat
Speaker 1: for you guys. Guys In the second segment, we will
Speaker 1: have an Emmy nominated interview with Layton vander ash By
Speaker 1: our own Kurt Daniels and none of us have seen
Speaker 1: this interview, so we don't know what we're getting into,
Speaker 1: So make sure you stay tuned because we will be
Speaker 1: watching it for the first time as well. Oh, how
Speaker 1: are we feeling today? It's Friday? How you guys feeling? Man?
Speaker 1: Tell you what for? We two days out from a
Speaker 1: Cowboys victory. Lord has been long, it has been hall
Speaker 1: but It's gonna be earned, baby. Two days out from
Speaker 1: a cow Boys victory. Hop God is dope for what
Speaker 1: Jesse says, So we gotta hope God is dope and
Speaker 1: we need a lot victory. Yes, sir, Cowboys gotta this one.
Speaker 1: Man's just they don't win this one. Just throw it
Speaker 1: in the towel you cover. You're getting to be a
Speaker 1: Debbie Dowter Broight one. You know what, I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised if they lose this week. It's a trap game, Shannon,
Speaker 1: got to be stopping trap. Stop it. Yeah, trap Shannon.
Speaker 1: You actually have to be good to make it a
Speaker 1: trap game. Like you. The team has to be good
Speaker 1: like your Your team a good team in order to
Speaker 1: be a trap game. This is Amriti. Cooper is good.
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, he is. You know, Citee Lamb is good.
Speaker 1: They ain't playing defense all right, let me ask you.
Speaker 1: Let's let's get into it. Kurt sent us a group
Speaker 1: text yesterday and it all kinds. I think we're all
Speaker 1: still trying to process it. Nate called me and we
Speaker 1: had a long discussion about it. Kurt, what did you
Speaker 1: send us yesterday? And I want to get everyone's thoughts
Speaker 1: because I first off, tell tell us what what you
Speaker 1: sent us, and then we'll get into it. Well, I
Speaker 1: was a tweet John Machada from The Athletic put out
Speaker 1: that that coach Mark McCarthy had addressed the team's effort
Speaker 1: and that I think Jaylon Smith had responded that, you
Speaker 1: know a couple of guys did Jalen Smith and Zekie
Speaker 1: La both responded that yes, the coach did talk to
Speaker 1: them about effort. It's not something he should be having
Speaker 1: to do. YadA YadA, YadA, that sort of thing. I
Speaker 1: think the question all raised eyebrows with us was just
Speaker 1: now happening? Is it just now questioning effort? It was
Speaker 1: a little bit of surprise. Maybe that's that's my question
Speaker 1: to you guys. Surely, surely this isn't the first time.
Speaker 1: This is just the first time that it's being brought
Speaker 1: up in the media, right, Nate, Jesse, Nathaniel. Okay, first
Speaker 1: of all, when you read that story, when you first
Speaker 1: read that story, Kurt, and you just repeated it to us,
Speaker 1: did Zeke and Jay Let's say YadA YadA YadA, because
Speaker 1: that's because no, So let me finish, because that's what
Speaker 1: I got from that was all coach did was YadA
Speaker 1: YadA YadA. He sounded like did Charlie Brown teaching? Yeah,
Speaker 1: yah yah yeah. Well we've been seeing this for thirty weeks.
Speaker 1: We've been seeing this for thirteen weeks, our lack of
Speaker 1: effort on defense, and for this to be now finally
Speaker 1: brought out, come on, you know that's you know what, Jesse.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you speak YadA YadA YadA. That's all
Speaker 1: I have to say, the Russell Show YadA YadA YadA.
Speaker 1: Maybe I shouldn't have worded it like that, but that's
Speaker 1: how I sound. That's how sound thirteen weeks later. That
Speaker 1: don't bother you, Jesse, That don't bother you. Oh, this
Speaker 1: is trying to get Jesse, trying not to get in trouble.
Speaker 1: YadA YadA. Jesse made it all he got, he got,
Speaker 1: he got four weeks left of the season. He almost
Speaker 1: made it through an entire season, like he trying, not
Speaker 1: just thought. I don't want to be reassigned. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be reassigned. Your last option is with Mickey.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I said, you might will
Speaker 1: go ahead, and you might will go ahead and take
Speaker 1: my badge and all other good stuff. Remember that after
Speaker 1: the Browns game, uh mccarthury was quoted as were saying,
Speaker 1: we don't have an effort issue. But now see, don't
Speaker 1: do that. Don't feed Jesse, don't feed Jess. I can
Speaker 1: see how he started to fight on his nails and
Speaker 1: how he started to think, Jesse, we need a response.
Speaker 1: This is a show where we need your voice. You're
Speaker 1: the voice of reason, I know, but see, these are
Speaker 1: the moments where my voice has historically gotten me in trouble. Okay,
Speaker 1: these are the points in times where I say things
Speaker 1: and you know, once they come, once they get into
Speaker 1: the atmosphere we live in the social media and with
Speaker 1: those things don't disappear, right, Um, and so this this team,
Speaker 1: this team, UM, take your tent, go ahead on what's
Speaker 1: your This is self preservation, guys, that's the one that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use. They both both and for me and
Speaker 1: for me, i'd much rather respond to the group text
Speaker 1: and didn't respond. But here's the thing, and Nate, you
Speaker 1: and I we've we've elaborated on this many times before.
Speaker 1: We should never have to talk about effort when it
Speaker 1: comes to professional football players. Never like that should be
Speaker 1: the last thing any coach should, any coach, any player
Speaker 1: should ever have to talk about When I say the
Speaker 1: very last, I do mean like wherever the sentence ends
Speaker 1: and there's a period or exclamation point, then you should
Speaker 1: talk about effort. You get paid to play a child's
Speaker 1: game now while it's dangerous and it requires a ton
Speaker 1: of sacrifice and a ton of determination. And I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say effort, but effort. You don't have to say.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be a first round talent. You
Speaker 1: don't have to be world class speed, you don't have
Speaker 1: to be lifting the you don't have to lift the
Speaker 1: weight room. Uh. There's certain things that you don't need
Speaker 1: any of those extras to have effort. Like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, oh, Tyreek Hill, he runs a
Speaker 1: four to three. Wow, you know everyone's not blessed to
Speaker 1: run the four three. Uh. You know Larry Allen can
Speaker 1: can lift two houses. Woof, man, everyone's everyone you know
Speaker 1: not to lift two houses. Man. This quarterback has an
Speaker 1: arm that can make every throw. Wof you know he
Speaker 1: could throw the ball seventy yards. Man. That's that's that's
Speaker 1: great boy. This running back has such great vision. Man,
Speaker 1: it's only about three in our lifetime that we ever
Speaker 1: seen it be able to run like that, those type
Speaker 1: of things. When you talk about effort, it's it's I
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like Adam and Irison. We're talking
Speaker 1: about practice, not a game. We're talking about We're talking
Speaker 1: about effort. In week thirteen of a professional NFL team,
Speaker 1: we're talking about effort. Effort. I give you a fat
Speaker 1: check every single week, and I we have to sit
Speaker 1: here and talk about you giving effort. Not that you
Speaker 1: can't run fast, or you can't catch, or you can't tackle.
Speaker 1: We're talking about effort. And this is what I mean
Speaker 1: when I say you gotta clean house. You have to
Speaker 1: clean house because this is an infective place with what
Speaker 1: what what, and if it's not addressed, and if it's
Speaker 1: if you don't, if you're not going to we we
Speaker 1: become the medicine for other teams. If you're not going
Speaker 1: to prescribe something for your own locker room and cleaning
Speaker 1: out those cancerous things, then you'll keep talking about this. Nate,
Speaker 1: you said, we talked about this for thirty months. That
Speaker 1: ain't the hyphperbole, that it ain't an exaggeration. We've talked
Speaker 1: about this last year, right, so we would keep having
Speaker 1: these effort execution hero ball. When you keep hearing these
Speaker 1: saying things over and over and over, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's infectious in the wrong way. It's becoming it's spreading.
Speaker 1: And the more guys, especially the guys who are to
Speaker 1: supposed to be the leaders of your team, who are
Speaker 1: displaying these cancerous characteristics, the more of those guys you
Speaker 1: have in your locker room in a leader position, the
Speaker 1: more deadly the cancerous thing spread, and the more it
Speaker 1: gets into other guys, and the more it becomes more
Speaker 1: and more of a bad thing for your football team.
Speaker 1: And so you have to be able to eliminate those
Speaker 1: things and bring in new life and bring a new
Speaker 1: energy and don't have to ever question effort. If I'm
Speaker 1: questioning effort, and week thirteen of the season, the ship
Speaker 1: has sunk. This thing is dead and over. There is
Speaker 1: no coming back from this. If we're talking about effort
Speaker 1: from professional football players and we thirteen in the National
Speaker 1: Football League, that's that's that's my PG take on effort.
Speaker 1: It's just something that you know, obviously the coach has
Speaker 1: waited too long to maybe address it is. This is
Speaker 1: something that the player leadership. You're saying should have addressed
Speaker 1: it way beforehand. Is it is a case where guys
Speaker 1: pull somebody aside and say, hey, you're just not giving effort?
Speaker 1: Or are they standing up in the locker room and
Speaker 1: calling guys out yelling your leaders are the ones who
Speaker 1: are the ones having effort problems? Ye? Yes, yeah, are
Speaker 1: the ones who have the effort problems. And that's the
Speaker 1: that's the thing is what when? When when when I
Speaker 1: heard Michael learn talking about this this morning and they
Speaker 1: talked about you know, well, you know, well Mike, you
Speaker 1: were just you, you were this this this figure in
Speaker 1: the locker room where people listened to. But yeah, because
Speaker 1: Mike went out there and was putting out, Mike was
Speaker 1: the leader. Not you didn't have And they correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. You just didn't have no Joe blow
Speaker 1: standing up in front of the locker room saying stuff. Example, Noah,
Speaker 1: because we had strong enough alpha males in our locker room.
Speaker 1: If you were the wrong guy to stand up, they
Speaker 1: had a loud guy. We had two loud guys in
Speaker 1: our locker room. And if you were the wrong guy
Speaker 1: to stand up and say something, one number one. His
Speaker 1: name was Kevin golden and his name was Nate Newton.
Speaker 1: And if you were the wrong guy who got up
Speaker 1: and said something, one of us would look at each
Speaker 1: other and say, you're gonna handle this. We would say, man,
Speaker 1: get showed somewhere and sit down. But now, if Michael
Speaker 1: Irving got up, or Troy Aitman got up, Charles Haley
Speaker 1: got up, we fell solid because they we knew that
Speaker 1: they cared about winning, and they did things in the
Speaker 1: proper and right manner professionally to win games. That's it
Speaker 1: in one but a few guys, not a locker room.
Speaker 1: Now during the game, we would have different guys, you know,
Speaker 1: give input, but you didn't. You didn't hold court in
Speaker 1: our locker room unless you were a guy of authority,
Speaker 1: because you were talking to a bunch of rude, obnoxious,
Speaker 1: alpha dominant males, right, And that's the thing. Didn't you
Speaker 1: have anybody like that in your generation of players? Jesse
Speaker 1: kind of health, health sway over the locker room. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I was with the Cowboys, you had guys like
Speaker 1: Brady James, You had guys like Keith Brooking, you had
Speaker 1: guys like DeMarcus where and uh, you know, you had
Speaker 1: you had players like that. You had you had, you
Speaker 1: had Colombo, you had Leonard. I mean, you had guys
Speaker 1: who when they spoke, you listened. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You had guys like Jason Witten. When you spoke, they
Speaker 1: listened because you knew where they were coming from. You
Speaker 1: knew that when when when you know, Jason Witten didn't
Speaker 1: mess a practice, Jason Witten did wasn't trying to wed
Speaker 1: a lot of a practice. So Jason Witten. You never
Speaker 1: had an effort issue with Jason Witten, So when he
Speaker 1: said certain things, you listened, right, DeMarcus were the same way. Uh,
Speaker 1: you guys you know, guys like Brady James the same way.
Speaker 1: These guys you know where their heart and their intentions
Speaker 1: are at and they show it on the football field.
Speaker 1: But these other guys, there was never an effort issue.
Speaker 1: There was never an effort issue with Keith Brookings when
Speaker 1: I was there, there was never there was never an
Speaker 1: effort issue, uh with with with you know, with guys
Speaker 1: like de Marcus Square. I was there. So when those guys, man,
Speaker 1: when those guys spoke up, you listened. You heard what
Speaker 1: they said. The problem with this team is you got
Speaker 1: the leaders of this team are the ones who have
Speaker 1: the effort issues. You have the leaders of the team,
Speaker 1: the one who can't line up right. You have the
Speaker 1: leaders of this team who who rather go and do
Speaker 1: things everything else. And this is one of the things
Speaker 1: that I struggle with and I do, and and Nate
Speaker 1: and I relate to this. We were we were bottom
Speaker 1: of the barrel guys. There wasn't there wasn't much room
Speaker 1: for error for us. Okay, we weren't high drive picks.
Speaker 1: We weren't guys who you know, initially had big contracts
Speaker 1: that they gave second and third and fourth and fifth
Speaker 1: chances too. Now, Nate eventually worked his way up to
Speaker 1: that point where he became that kind of a player,
Speaker 1: and and much love and respect to him for that,
Speaker 1: I for one, never got to that point. So everything
Speaker 1: that I did, I had to do with a maximum effort.
Speaker 1: I had to study with the maximum effort. I had
Speaker 1: to show up with maximum effort. I had to practice
Speaker 1: with the maximum effort. And so when I hear these
Speaker 1: things coming from players, especially the whole alignment assignment thing,
Speaker 1: there's no way, there's no there's no way. When I
Speaker 1: had questions, When I had questions, I was going to
Speaker 1: see somebody because I had zero room forever, so I
Speaker 1: want to make sure. Hold on, I don't understand this.
Speaker 1: Let me walk down the hallway. Let me get on
Speaker 1: the phone to call Jody Camillis, because we got a
Speaker 1: big game coming up and I only get one chance
Speaker 1: at a punt, and if I don't get it right
Speaker 1: and they get it blocked, that might be my tail
Speaker 1: or you know what, I'm in the rotation this week.
Speaker 1: Let me walk down the hall and go see coach
Speaker 1: Sherman or go see Coach Robinson, because I want to
Speaker 1: make sure this lineup is right. And let me ask
Speaker 1: questions to coach, you know, coach Garrett as the OC
Speaker 1: slash coach on practice feel about how this should be done,
Speaker 1: because if I get an opportunity to do it, I
Speaker 1: want to make sure it's done right because my opportunities
Speaker 1: may come fuel far between. This is why I don't
Speaker 1: give sympathy to guys who were saying, well, I don't
Speaker 1: know what to do. How the hell do you not
Speaker 1: know what to do? When you what are you doing? Like?
Speaker 1: What are you like? Get off the game? Okay, get
Speaker 1: off all the other outside stuff that you have going on.
Speaker 1: You got an offseason for that. If you don't understand something,
Speaker 1: you should be on the horn. You should be in
Speaker 1: the office. You should be in the face six feet
Speaker 1: apart of your linebacker, coach, dB coach, defensive line coach,
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. Because I need answers. I need answers because
Speaker 1: if I'm unsure and I don't know, if my film
Speaker 1: study doesn't reveal the answer to me, then I need
Speaker 1: to go to the source. I need to go to
Speaker 1: the one who's implementing. And that's the part I find
Speaker 1: so hard to to to to to understand from these
Speaker 1: guys when they're saying about confusion and effort and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, Yeah, what are you doing all day? Because
Speaker 1: there is good Jesse, I gotta come. We gotta go
Speaker 1: to break. We'll come back, all right, we come back.
Speaker 1: We gotta get to this latent interview. It's made it
Speaker 1: run along, so we had to cut you a good stuff, Jesse.
Speaker 1: Good stuff will be back late. God is dope and dope.
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Speaker 1: vander Ish lighton. How are you doing today? I'm doing great, guys.
Speaker 1: How are you? We're doing good? We're doing good. Normally
Speaker 1: we have the whole crew here, Nate, Shannon, Jesse, but
Speaker 1: we're actually doing this interview on a Saturday, which, with
Speaker 1: the strange Tuesday night game is actually a Thursday, isn't it?
Speaker 1: As far as the team schedules at right. Yep, we
Speaker 1: just got done with our battered practice, so yeah that's
Speaker 1: a Thursday. Wow. So I know, you know, players are creatures,
Speaker 1: have had it. You know, you have specific times where
Speaker 1: you need to be here there even off the field,
Speaker 1: you guys, certain guys may have massages on some days
Speaker 1: or position dinners or whatever. What is this scrag crazy
Speaker 1: scheduling doing for you? Has it been difficult? Yeah, it's been.
Speaker 1: I mean it's been a little bit of a struggle,
Speaker 1: but um, I think we've managed it pretty well. Um.
Speaker 1: Obviously it's I mean, you don't like a schedule change,
Speaker 1: but um, I mean it is what it is, and
Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta be able to adjust. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what the game of football is and how
Speaker 1: this whole season has been. It's been a lot of adjusting,
Speaker 1: so and adjusting on the fly. Um. So I mean
Speaker 1: we've been doing our best with that, and yeah, it
Speaker 1: comes with its struggles, but um, I think we've managed
Speaker 1: that pretty well this week, um, and we're just making
Speaker 1: our correct adjustments for each day. You've been kind of
Speaker 1: on a mini bye week here because of the of
Speaker 1: the scheduling. Has it been good in terms of getting
Speaker 1: some rest, or does a team like this, with the
Speaker 1: new staff and younger players and no offseason, do you
Speaker 1: kind of wish you had that practice time. I mean,
Speaker 1: the rest is nice, but honestly, I would have just
Speaker 1: preferred to keep on romal schedule. I know we couldn't
Speaker 1: do that, but I mean we had a few days off.
Speaker 1: He let us get away to our families, and so
Speaker 1: we just kind of we dealt with that, and then
Speaker 1: we've been practicing. We've got an extra practicing this week
Speaker 1: for it, so I think we're ahead, and I mean
Speaker 1: we're rolling. So we're just getting our stuff in and
Speaker 1: making the corrections and going out the next day too.
Speaker 1: I guess the tough part then, though, could come on
Speaker 1: the back end when you have to play Tuesday then Sunday.
Speaker 1: Is that something you guys are already kind of looking
Speaker 1: ahead too. Yeah. I mean we just had a short
Speaker 1: week too, so that was that was another reason why
Speaker 1: I said I wish we could have just stuck to
Speaker 1: a normal schedule, but um, I know we're just subject
Speaker 1: subject to what the league does, um, And so now
Speaker 1: we're right back to another short week right after this,
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, it's it's a grinder November and December.
Speaker 1: So now it's the leaking further into December. So I mean,
Speaker 1: we just gotta we had to make do with what
Speaker 1: we have and go out there and make the best
Speaker 1: of it and keep grinding because we know how to
Speaker 1: do that. Are you now, you know they always talk
Speaker 1: about the rookie wall. You're you're two years in now,
Speaker 1: are you kind of used to the grind? Are you
Speaker 1: used to the schedule? Now? Oh? Yeah? The first year
Speaker 1: was the yeah. Three. Um, the first year was extremely long,
Speaker 1: just because I mean, you go right into combine training
Speaker 1: right after your season, and then you go into your
Speaker 1: draft stuff, and you go right No tas and training
Speaker 1: camp and and then right into your first season. That
Speaker 1: first NFL season is so much longer compared to a
Speaker 1: college and so when you get into no Rember, you're
Speaker 1: already you're at the end of it, but it seems
Speaker 1: like you have so much more to go. And so
Speaker 1: I mean that that was that was quite the year. Um.
Speaker 1: But now at this point, I think you kind of
Speaker 1: settle in, um and you kind of just take things
Speaker 1: one week at a time. The weeks go by so
Speaker 1: much faster in the NFL. Than they do college for
Speaker 1: me that I can remember. And so I mean you
Speaker 1: just take a week by week, just take things slow
Speaker 1: because they fly by and and you gotta be focused,
Speaker 1: you gotta be ready for that week that you're in.
Speaker 1: So uh and before you know what I mean, you're
Speaker 1: in week thirteen, fourteen fifteen. Yeah, and I would think
Speaker 1: they'd be flying by even more this year because you
Speaker 1: new coaching staff Mike Nolman, trying to put in some
Speaker 1: new things, and you had no offseason, you had no preseason.
Speaker 1: I mean, how much of it difficult has that been?
Speaker 1: And are you now do you feel like you're kind
Speaker 1: of reaching that point where yeah, maybe we're getting where
Speaker 1: we want to be. Yeah. Yeah, not having off season
Speaker 1: was a little bit difficult. Um, and there that was
Speaker 1: just another adjustment on the fly, like we had to
Speaker 1: um make him do with what we could and so um,
Speaker 1: that was it was a struggle not being able to
Speaker 1: practice that stuff right off the bat. But I think
Speaker 1: we're getting really good handle on now and we're starting
Speaker 1: to gain identity and just in play style and how
Speaker 1: we play. So um that's good for us. And I
Speaker 1: know we're we're making strides and we're doing some good things.
Speaker 1: There's still a lot to clean up as always. I mean,
Speaker 1: you never made it so Um, we just can keep
Speaker 1: continuing to battle and sticking together. That's the biggest thing, um.
Speaker 1: And we're headed in the right direction. It seems like
Speaker 1: one of the toughest positions on the field is to me,
Speaker 1: has got to be linebacker. Because you're not in full
Speaker 1: coverage all the time, you're not rushing the quarterback all
Speaker 1: the time. You gotta gotta do a little bit of
Speaker 1: both or you gonna you know, charge the running back
Speaker 1: and drop back and coverage that sort of thing. Has
Speaker 1: it been well, do you like that kind of a challenge?
Speaker 1: Is it difficult? Or do you sometimes just let me
Speaker 1: go get the ball here and that's it. Yeah? I
Speaker 1: love the challenge honestly. UM, I want to be put
Speaker 1: in a difficult situation because I know that makes me better. Um.
Speaker 1: If if everything was easier, if or if the majority
Speaker 1: of the game was easy, um, you would probably start
Speaker 1: to slough off and and and you wouldn't start gaining
Speaker 1: ground or improving at all. Um. And with the time
Speaker 1: I missed the last season and even the beginning of
Speaker 1: this season, it was it's been tough but um, I
Speaker 1: mean you learn to embrace that challenge I have and
Speaker 1: um and enjoy it. It's all part. It's all part
Speaker 1: of the process. You got to trust God's plan for
Speaker 1: for what he has going for you, and I think, um,
Speaker 1: that's just what I've been trying to do. And so
Speaker 1: just just being a leader, um, taking on that challenge,
Speaker 1: embracing it and showing the guys like, hey, I'm here
Speaker 1: for all you guys, and and and I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do my best for you guys, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go all out on game day. Much of that challenge
Speaker 1: is the physical part of it, just the you know,
Speaker 1: having the talent to be where you need to be
Speaker 1: in that sort of thing. And how much of it
Speaker 1: is the mental part of it, where the communication, the leadership,
Speaker 1: that aspect of it. Yeah, I mean you train all offseason.
Speaker 1: I mean you train a lot of off season physically
Speaker 1: to get to get your body ready for the season.
Speaker 1: So a lot of that work is already done and
Speaker 1: then once again the season you're kind of just maintaining
Speaker 1: obviously because it's harder game strength at that point. But
Speaker 1: the mental part really kicks in and you got to
Speaker 1: you gotta really focus on that aspect of the game.
Speaker 1: Once you get into the season, and that part really
Speaker 1: takes off, and you got to keep up with that
Speaker 1: because it's it's not like you're playing the same team
Speaker 1: every week. You have new challenges, and I mean there
Speaker 1: there are some copycat teams and they do some copycat
Speaker 1: schemes and and everybody's gonna do some of the similar stuff,
Speaker 1: but they all have their own little twist to it.
Speaker 1: So if you the quicker, you can point those things out,
Speaker 1: and the quicker you can get on top of that
Speaker 1: and make sure we could practice easier and you can
Speaker 1: really just start focusing on your keys on the practice
Speaker 1: field to keep going. I think most people probably know
Speaker 1: your story. It's pretty incredible starting out at eight man
Speaker 1: football such a small town. But you you've kind of
Speaker 1: said that that eight man football may have helped you
Speaker 1: prepare because it you know, it was a wide open game,
Speaker 1: you know, finding the ball care and playing offense too.
Speaker 1: I mean, it didn't really help you as far as
Speaker 1: getting where you are now. I mean some people might
Speaker 1: say I'm crazy for saying that, but they're ones that
Speaker 1: didn't play amen football. So I mean the ones that
Speaker 1: know no. Um, and I'm gonna go to bat for
Speaker 1: for all those kids that are playing amen football and
Speaker 1: I grew up doing that. Um. I mean they need
Speaker 1: to follow their dreams because they can do it. Just
Speaker 1: because you play a man football, I don't mean anything. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean it makes you an all around athlete. You
Speaker 1: can do multiple things. Um heck. I mean if you
Speaker 1: got injuries on your team, you move to the next
Speaker 1: position and you help your team out. That's just what
Speaker 1: it is. So I think that makes you valuable as
Speaker 1: an athlete. It helps you grow as an athlete and
Speaker 1: you start to understand the pieces of the game, regardless
Speaker 1: of whether you're missing three people on offense and three
Speaker 1: people on defense. Yeah. Yeah, and you were the star quarterback.
Speaker 1: Do you ever miss uh miss the offensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball getting the dwat around will bit? Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of got that out of my
Speaker 1: system pretty quick once I started playing in college. Um.
Speaker 1: But I mean I love quarterback, I always will. Um.
Speaker 1: But I mean there's another thing about a linebacker. You're
Speaker 1: the quarterback of the defense. So um, it's it's its
Speaker 1: own challenge in itself, and you gotta take pride in that. Well.
Speaker 1: It sounds like that with with your three sisters were
Speaker 1: big into basketball and you were a stud basketball player
Speaker 1: when a couple of state championships? Was was basketball actually
Speaker 1: kind of king in your household growing up? Um, if
Speaker 1: you probably would have talked to majority people, if you
Speaker 1: asked ten people that knew me, they nine ten probably
Speaker 1: would have chose me to pick play basketball in college
Speaker 1: and then football. Um, but I always wanted to play
Speaker 1: football boys State, and I got the opportunity to walk
Speaker 1: on there because I didn't have any d one offers.
Speaker 1: So um, that was just it was automatic for me,
Speaker 1: and I knew I could make the most out of
Speaker 1: that if I went and did that. But basketball was definitely,
Speaker 1: um a big part of my family's life. All my
Speaker 1: sisters played, and and that was some of my favorite
Speaker 1: moments growing up as a kid and being their little brother,
Speaker 1: watching them playing high school and then go on to
Speaker 1: college and play, and just watching them win state championships
Speaker 1: and and just doing what they loved. And so they
Speaker 1: they they had an absolute blast doing that, and I
Speaker 1: had had an absolute blast watching them, um, and so
Speaker 1: just following in their shoes. UM, I learned so much
Speaker 1: from them, and I love every single one of them.
Speaker 1: And so I just can't thank them enough for for
Speaker 1: kind of just teaching me the way butt heads a
Speaker 1: little bit with on the way when we were younger.
Speaker 1: But and growing up with three other sisters ain't easy
Speaker 1: by any means. Oh yeah, but were you the annoying
Speaker 1: little brother agged along to uh to the gym and
Speaker 1: all that sort of thing? Oh gosh, I would like
Speaker 1: to not think so, but uh, I mean you have
Speaker 1: to ask them. I think they I think they enjoyed
Speaker 1: having me if if we were going to the gym
Speaker 1: and some basketball they were. They always taught me stuff
Speaker 1: and and I think they enjoyed having me around in
Speaker 1: that aspect. But I'm sure I got a little annoying
Speaker 1: at times, um as any younger sibling probably would. But um,
Speaker 1: I mean we were we were all pretty close growing up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now they were again three older sisters. They were a
Speaker 1: bit older than you. I think you're six years younger
Speaker 1: than your youngest sister. I guess were you uh were you?
Speaker 1: Were you uh, you know, doated on? Were you spoiled?
Speaker 1: Or were you that they're kind of guinea pig to
Speaker 1: pick on and dress up and do all those such
Speaker 1: little things. A little brothers get handed. Uh. I was spoiled.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. Um, Yeah, I was spoiled. And
Speaker 1: I think I think they would probably all say that too. Um.
Speaker 1: But I mean at the time, I didn't want to
Speaker 1: admit it, but now I looked back and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I probably was spoiled quite a bit. But they spoiled
Speaker 1: me too. Um. Yeah, I mean it was it was
Speaker 1: all just funny games. And like I said, I mean
Speaker 1: sometimes we got into it and yeah, they would throw
Speaker 1: that in my face, that oh you're spoiled and you
Speaker 1: just get whatever you want. But that's just what siblings do. Sure. Sure,
Speaker 1: So you never really gave a thought too. I mean,
Speaker 1: I imagine you had some some offers to some smaller schools.
Speaker 1: You you never gave serious thought to going as a
Speaker 1: quarterback or going as a basketball player to a smaller school.
Speaker 1: I did, I did. Um. I had way more offers
Speaker 1: to play basketball than I did football. Um. And then
Speaker 1: all my football offers were all an Ai a smaller schools. Um.
Speaker 1: But I grew up watching Boisi State and going to
Speaker 1: a lot of their games with my friends and and
Speaker 1: with my high school coach, and he coached me all
Speaker 1: the way through elementary, junior high, in high school and
Speaker 1: in football, UM and I played with his two younger boys.
Speaker 1: One was a year older than me and one was
Speaker 1: a year younger, and so we became really close, and
Speaker 1: UM I went to a lot of the boys state
Speaker 1: games with them and got really familiar with boys and
Speaker 1: just being two and a half hours north, it was
Speaker 1: that's where I wanted to play. So when I got
Speaker 1: the opportunity to go there and walk on, it was
Speaker 1: like not There was not even a doubt in my
Speaker 1: mind that that, um, I couldn't go in there and
Speaker 1: then a scholarship, and I just knew that if I
Speaker 1: followed my roots and the way um the way I
Speaker 1: handled myself and and just went in there and and
Speaker 1: competed every single day and worked my hardest, that things
Speaker 1: would work out. And I knew that would give me
Speaker 1: the best shot to go on and live my dream
Speaker 1: playing in the National Football League, And so I just
Speaker 1: did everything I could make that happen. Yeah. I was
Speaker 1: reading something, Charlie Shepard, that was your high school coach, right,
Speaker 1: I was reading some about him. Sounds like you know
Speaker 1: what you think of eight man coach in the in
Speaker 1: the middle of Idaho, But you know what kind of
Speaker 1: scene was Avid. It sounds like he really was a
Speaker 1: big impact on you in your life there absolutely. I
Speaker 1: mean we still talk about football to this day, and
Speaker 1: he coached there for they won two state championships after
Speaker 1: I left her off the bat, or maybe it was three, um,
Speaker 1: But I mean he's a great football coach, and he
Speaker 1: understands football. And growing up with his two boys that
Speaker 1: were like my best friends growing up, and I still
Speaker 1: stay in contact with both of them very very much.
Speaker 1: That was evident that he knew what he was doing
Speaker 1: and he could get everybody and he could use and
Speaker 1: put things in the right pieces or pieces in the
Speaker 1: right places when it came to game day or depending
Speaker 1: a year, because I mean you would you would think
Speaker 1: that you would lose some of your best players, and
Speaker 1: with a man football, you don't have a lot to
Speaker 1: pick from. Um. But I mean he kept that thing
Speaker 1: going right away and and never really stepped off. And
Speaker 1: and he coached I don't even know he coached, he
Speaker 1: coached forever, um, But I mean he's he's awesome, and
Speaker 1: I know that he definitely had a big impact on
Speaker 1: on my career. Like I said, I couldn't play football
Speaker 1: till I was in sixth grade and junior high So
Speaker 1: the first chance I got it was I was all
Speaker 1: over it. And then it was just year by year
Speaker 1: and just going up from there. Yeah, he said an interview,
Speaker 1: I saw that he never really had any doubt that
Speaker 1: you could play at the next level. But I gotta wonder,
Speaker 1: you know, you you walk on to a big D
Speaker 1: one school, big program, and you were probably it sounds
Speaker 1: like a little undersized at the time. Did you kind
Speaker 1: of wonder like, Wow, what have I got myself into? Um?
Speaker 1: At first? Yeah, I mean Ilo, my linebacker coach at
Speaker 1: Boise State, and the decordinator. I mean, he kind of
Speaker 1: found me. He showed up at high school one day
Speaker 1: and I got called to the office, and I was thinking,
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think I did anything wrong,
Speaker 1: Like why am I getting called to the office. So
Speaker 1: I stepped out in the hall and I saw a
Speaker 1: guy down at the end of the hallway by the office,
Speaker 1: dressed in blue with his boy gear on, and I
Speaker 1: was thinking myself. I was like, there's no way this
Speaker 1: can be happening right now. And the first things he
Speaker 1: said to me, he was like he introduced himself and
Speaker 1: was like, we don't know very much about you, but
Speaker 1: people are talking about you in the valley and saying
Speaker 1: that we need to come get you. So he gave
Speaker 1: me brochure to their camp and invited me there so
Speaker 1: they could get me on the field and see me
Speaker 1: run around a little bit. And then I had to
Speaker 1: make a highlight film and send him some film from
Speaker 1: high school from high school ball, and then they offered
Speaker 1: me a walk on after my senior year a football
Speaker 1: and I took that right away. But he saw something
Speaker 1: to me, and as much as I wanted to play quarterback,
Speaker 1: he was like, no, you're gonna you're gonna play. You're
Speaker 1: gonna come and play linebacker. The way you've run around
Speaker 1: the field and and just how you cover ground, your
Speaker 1: athleticism is gonna make you a great linebacker. And so
Speaker 1: I trusted him. I had no reason not to trust him.
Speaker 1: I mean, he he gave me, He came and found me,
Speaker 1: so I knew that he I trusted that he knew
Speaker 1: what he was doing, and he coached me extremely hard,
Speaker 1: and he kind of became like a father figure to
Speaker 1: me as well while I was in college. And again,
Speaker 1: I mean he's a decordinator Oregan now. But um, the
Speaker 1: dude's like a second father to me, and I love
Speaker 1: that guy to death. He's taught me so much, still
Speaker 1: teaches me so much. Um. And he just he told me,
Speaker 1: he was like, you come in and bust your butt
Speaker 1: every day and you're gonna earn something. So and after
Speaker 1: nine months, I don't even think I had played. I
Speaker 1: didn't even play the Snappa football yet. Um. And they
Speaker 1: put me on scholarship before my freshman year, and then
Speaker 1: it was just gaining ground. I was definitely undersized. I
Speaker 1: was about a buck ninety five two hundred, uh, same
Speaker 1: high as I am now. Um, hardly ever lifted an
Speaker 1: ounce away in my life, and that first year I
Speaker 1: put on thirty pounds. My body just absorbed everything. Theother thing,
Speaker 1: just bought into the weight program that they had and
Speaker 1: just eating and eating everything that I could eat. And
Speaker 1: it was it was just it was just absorbing everything.
Speaker 1: Sound like I enjoyed it though, the whole process, one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. It was. There are so many things that
Speaker 1: I can look back on and that I'm just blown
Speaker 1: away by and how things turned out. But then again,
Speaker 1: I just I knew that I was going to work
Speaker 1: my absolute hardest to make the things happen, and I
Speaker 1: had the right people around me to help me, and
Speaker 1: I got to give so much credit to them. Um,
Speaker 1: but it was just it's it's been such an enjoyable time. Um.
Speaker 1: And now like I'm playing for the Dallas Cowboys, America's team,
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to go anywhere else and this
Speaker 1: is right where I want to be. And I absolutely
Speaker 1: love this team. I love this place, I love this city,
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Speaker 1: love being able to play pro football here. See, just
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Speaker 1: Back hanging with the Bulls, we are back, at least
Speaker 1: most of us. Our beloved leader Shannon has had some
Speaker 1: technical difficulties, so it was just myself, Nate and Jesse
Speaker 1: sporting the tie dye. Now yeah, yeah, change clothes on
Speaker 1: the right quick, you know. Friday fund here. Thank you
Speaker 1: again to Leyton vander esh And for taking up a
Speaker 1: lot of his valuable time. I apologize for going so long.
Speaker 1: Chris gotten so sick of it. He just cut us
Speaker 1: off and went to break so I appreciate it. So
Speaker 1: we're only left with a few minutes here fellas to
Speaker 1: give our in depth breakdown of the Cincinnati Bengals. So
Speaker 1: I guess what do you guys? Back to Sunday? What
Speaker 1: do you what do you expect? Him to say, what
Speaker 1: do you think of the Cowboys can do against the Bingals.
Speaker 1: I'll be quick, Jess. The Bengals did not have a
Speaker 1: running game, but they're playing the Dallas Cowboys, so they
Speaker 1: will all of a sudden develop a running game. So
Speaker 1: Bernard number twenty five, GEO tar Hill, Jill Vanny, Jill
Speaker 1: Vanni Bernard. He is a nice running back when handing
Speaker 1: the ball out of the backfield, but he is an
Speaker 1: excellent receiver coming out of the backfield. So for us
Speaker 1: have some success this week, we have to slow him down.
Speaker 1: Out of the guys outside, I'll let Jesse were about,
Speaker 1: but this guy here is a game changing if you
Speaker 1: can get him that ball in open space. So we
Speaker 1: have to tackle well. And somehow somewhere I said it
Speaker 1: the other day that I said again, we have to
Speaker 1: control the middle of the field, whether this versus the pass.
Speaker 1: We have the deconse, have to control the medal. We
Speaker 1: gotta do what we gotta do. What the middle of
Speaker 1: the round thirty seven thirty seven thirty almost twenty seven,
Speaker 1: literally almost child, look at the middle of our run chart.
Speaker 1: Man slashing us man in the middle of our field.
Speaker 1: It's between the numbers. Man look at the runs this year.
Speaker 1: I'm being honest. If you don't control the middle of
Speaker 1: the se we're not gonna even be competitive. No, I'm
Speaker 1: not late. I'm not laughing at you. I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: I that you think in week fourteen that all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you ain't right, man, you ain't right. The
Speaker 1: coach just gave a hell of the speech about being
Speaker 1: the effort. It's gonna come or not right, the effort
Speaker 1: will shine. Y y'all are not you're not believing? Tie
Speaker 1: our shirt now we all laugh. They said, there do
Speaker 1: you think? They said? They said, we got a cover
Speaker 1: of running back to space. They said to them on
Speaker 1: the field, what makes you believe that in week fourteen
Speaker 1: that I believe Staff Baltimore had more thirty yard runs
Speaker 1: in that game than Zake has in the last three years.
Speaker 1: C don't join you, Jesse, don't Jesse. Come on? They said,
Speaker 1: oh man, you really got me a tea. But all
Speaker 1: of us to be competitive. I ain't said win the game,
Speaker 1: but all of us to be competitive. I'm gonna be quiet.
Speaker 1: Go ahead on what amos? Come on? No, because they
Speaker 1: they you you've come to the point where you're saying
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about winning the game. I just want
Speaker 1: us to be competitive, Like you're talking about the team.
Speaker 1: We've lost all hope about winning football game. We're to
Speaker 1: the point now. This is I'm not fake laughing, this
Speaker 1: is real laughing. I'm crying because we're talking about the
Speaker 1: NFL team here, and we're we're wishing and hoping for
Speaker 1: things in week thirteen that should have been established in
Speaker 1: the preseason. This should have been established in the first
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. And so we still can't cover backs
Speaker 1: out of the back field. What do we face a
Speaker 1: back who's really good out of the back field as
Speaker 1: a receiver. We can't control the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you, Nate, I guarantee you a Ribby that
Speaker 1: they're gonna run the ball up the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: And then, uh, we're talking about the guys and the
Speaker 1: outside Te Higgins and Tyler Boyd. Good luck, good luck,
Speaker 1: good luck. This is the best true duel. This is
Speaker 1: good last true duo we've pad faced all year. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about yardage and touchdowns. Yeah, I mean they have
Speaker 1: performed weekend and week out great. I don't know I
Speaker 1: would say the best. I talk production wise, yardage, touchdown
Speaker 1: production wise, they have been the best. I think, well,
Speaker 1: go back and look at the other I mean other guys.
Speaker 1: I've gotten better Minnesota reason went on, but they have
Speaker 1: they But I'm talking about that at this point? Is
Speaker 1: this department? Department? Did I make it? Did I make it?
Speaker 1: Back for the end of the show, Yeah, you made
Speaker 1: was just you know what I did. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to listen to that terrible ass interview Kurt did so
Speaker 1: I just said, hey, good but good interview kid. Y'all judging, Hey,
Speaker 1: I had I put out good effort. Man, I was
Speaker 1: on my I was going Bolston the wall. There you're
Speaker 1: judging and watching. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. All about practice.
Speaker 1: We're talking about effort. Oh, let's make our picks, fellas,
Speaker 1: Let's let's make all right. I'm ready, man, I am ready.
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I got since Cincinnati twenty four Cowboys seventeen.
Speaker 1: I think Cowboys are winning this one. I'll take it
Speaker 1: twenty one seventeen. Nick Newton, I ga roll as Charles
Speaker 1: Blockley will say, I gall roll t. We win this
Speaker 1: thing by seven points. I gallroll right, yes, sir, don't
Speaker 1: you laugh at me. Jesse I'm laughing with you. My
Speaker 1: brother never asked you. I was with you, chanting you there,
Speaker 1: you're picking. Yeah, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Cowboys twenty eight Cincinnati twenty one. And here's my reasoning
Speaker 1: in the words of Nate Newton, because if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: don't win, it don't matter. It don't matter, The rest
Speaker 1: of the season don't matter. So I'm gonna pick them
Speaker 1: just so it matters. And you know what, I think
Speaker 1: the offense. I think the offense is doing a pretty
Speaker 1: darn good job. I think Andy Dalton is gonna have
Speaker 1: a really good game. It's all gonna come down to
Speaker 1: the defense. Can they stop them? Are they gonna show up?
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna show up first enough to squeak
Speaker 1: out a game against a bad Cincinnati. I think it's
Speaker 1: a battle of the bads, and I think Cincinnati's more
Speaker 1: bad than the Cowboys are bad. So I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: Cowboys twenty seven, twenty one. We're gonna travel all the
Speaker 1: way to Ohio to be bad, Loyd. This will be
Speaker 1: the game where we've come back next year and say,
Speaker 1: where did the Cowboys turning around against Cincinnati? And then
Speaker 1: the Lord. Hey, I like I like the I like
Speaker 1: the wardrobe changes. Fellas, that's nice. I like it. I
Speaker 1: like it. That's good. All right, let's let's let's break,
Speaker 1: let's go home, let's get out of here, all right, fellas,
Speaker 1: good jes, you can say what you want this. Yeah,
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