WEBVTT - #487 Guest Host Conor Hall with Angel Bumpass

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, It's Connor Hall, the producer for Wrongful Conviction. As

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned previously, Jason and Kalia ah Lee are on

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<v Speaker 1>their honeymoon, so they're letting me fill in for a

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<v Speaker 1>few more episodes. And again I promise not to screw

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<v Speaker 1>it up. So here we go. On January sixteenth, two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and nine, sixty eight year old Franklin Bonner was

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<v Speaker 1>found suffocated by duct tape with signs of blunt force trauma.

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<v Speaker 1>His Chattanooga, Tennessee home was ransacked, but no valuables appeared

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<v Speaker 1>to be missing. The duck tape held eleven fingerprints, but

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<v Speaker 1>no hits came up in the national database until nine

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<v Speaker 1>years later when they ran the Prince again and two

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<v Speaker 1>partial prints appeared to match twenty three year old Angel Bumpus,

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<v Speaker 1>who was thirteen years old at the time of the crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite a plausible explanation for the presence of her fingerprints

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<v Speaker 1>and an equally implausible theory of her guilt, she was

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<v Speaker 1>sent away for life in prison. And this is wrongful conviction.

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<v Speaker 2>Wrongful conviction has always given voice to innocent people in prison,

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<v Speaker 2>and now we're expanding that voice to you. Call us

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<v Speaker 2>at eight three three two o seven four six sixty six,

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<v Speaker 2>and tell us how these stories make you feel and

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<v Speaker 2>what you've done to help the cause, even if it's

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<v Speaker 2>something as simple as telling a friend or sharing on

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<v Speaker 2>social media, and you might just hear yourself in a

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<v Speaker 2>future episode call us eight three three two oh seven

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<v Speaker 2>four six sixty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Wrongful Conviction, where we have a story

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<v Speaker 1>that's just so ridiculous for so many reasons. Uh. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>first and foremost, how young the accused was at the

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<v Speaker 1>time of the crime. However, the details of the crime

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<v Speaker 1>make it even less plausible. And to help explain it all,

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<v Speaker 1>we welcome defense attorney Bill Massey, thank you, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course the still relatively young woman who endured this insanity

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<v Speaker 1>in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Angel Bumpus, thank you for joining us.

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<v Speaker 3>You're welcome, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>So can you tell us a little bit about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>growing up in Chattanooga.

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<v Speaker 3>When I was in Chattanooga, I lived with my grandparents,

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<v Speaker 3>Chryl Bumpus and Bayliss Smith. And I mean, it's not

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<v Speaker 3>nothing exciting to tell. At that point in their life

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<v Speaker 3>when I was around, they were already well off into

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<v Speaker 3>their forties and fifties. My grandma, she stayed home all day,

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<v Speaker 3>could clean. My granddad went to work, came home. I

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<v Speaker 3>was a good student. I won a lot of awards

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<v Speaker 3>and different things. And like I was in eighth grade,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe so long ago even when it happened, Like

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't watch the news growing up as a kid,

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<v Speaker 3>so I didn't even know anything about it. Like the

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<v Speaker 3>knowledge I have is from when I got the discovery.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the knowledge that I have.

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<v Speaker 1>And the crime in question occurred on January sixteenth, two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and nine. The victim was a sixty eight year

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<v Speaker 1>old man named Franklin Bonner, who was known locally as

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<v Speaker 1>the lottery Man, alluding to the numbers game that he operated.

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<v Speaker 1>He was also alleged to sell some wheed on the side,

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<v Speaker 1>none of which should have gotten him killed, but being

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<v Speaker 1>known to have extra cash on hand may have played

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<v Speaker 1>a role.

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<v Speaker 4>January sixteen, two thousand and nine, mister Bonner was in

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<v Speaker 4>his home. His wife came home and had lunch with him,

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<v Speaker 4>and then left back to work. When she came back

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<v Speaker 4>home a little after five in the afternoon, she found

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<v Speaker 4>him taped to the chair, duc taped and the chair

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<v Speaker 4>turned over. His head was completely encircled in duct tape.

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<v Speaker 4>She called the police. The police came, the man had suffocated.

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<v Speaker 4>They removed the tape from and they found fingerprints on

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<v Speaker 4>the inside the tape around the face, and there was

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<v Speaker 4>another on the tape beside the leg to the chair,

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<v Speaker 4>and they sent them off for identification, but there were

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<v Speaker 4>no hits.

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<v Speaker 1>There were eleven fingerprints, some of them only partial. There

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<v Speaker 1>were also signs of blunt force trauma, but no implements

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<v Speaker 1>were cataloged or found.

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<v Speaker 4>And the house had been ransacked, but strangely, very little

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<v Speaker 4>was missing. There was jewelry in his pocket and in

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<v Speaker 4>the home, as well as money and guns.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps something very specific was taken, but we're not sure what,

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<v Speaker 1>if anything. There were also no eyewitnesses to potential intruders,

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<v Speaker 1>so the police looked at the Bonner's landline for recent

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<v Speaker 1>callers and found a number associated with the Bumpuses.

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<v Speaker 4>Carl Fields, I believe, was the lead investigator at the time,

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<v Speaker 4>and he said that he saw that call number, they

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<v Speaker 4>ran it and that it came back to Shirley Bumpus,

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<v Speaker 4>which is the grandmother of Angel. So he went over

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<v Speaker 4>there the next day to talk to the Bumpuses. And

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<v Speaker 4>he says that she told him she had gone over

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<v Speaker 4>to the Bonner home to buy some marijuana.

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<v Speaker 1>It was no secret that the Bonners and Bumpuses knew

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<v Speaker 1>each other. According to Angel's grandfather, Bayliss, he had even

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<v Speaker 1>done odd jobs for the Bonners on occasions, so it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't strange that their number appeared on the Bonners call log.

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<v Speaker 3>When we got the discovery the AT and T call log,

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<v Speaker 3>it shows that my grandmother hadn't even called that day.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's just something that they just were saying.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's what got them on to the Bumpus household.

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<v Speaker 3>The previous district attorney, Neil Pinkston, he did not like

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<v Speaker 3>my grandmamma, like they had history. Like he was also

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<v Speaker 3>on the case of my uncle who was murdered. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's how I know, like how victims are getting treated

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<v Speaker 3>and how they were treating the victim of this case.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't treat my family how they were treating the victim.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's like my grandmother, she used to just be

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<v Speaker 3>very very vocal about stuff, and so her and Pinkson

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<v Speaker 3>they have a bad relationship. They was other suspects, but

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't pursue them.

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<v Speaker 4>They ruled them out.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm sensing there's a little facetiousness in there.

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<v Speaker 4>A man who was doing a federal sentence, Nicholas Cheating,

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<v Speaker 4>when he heard about the incident in Chattanooga. He was

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<v Speaker 4>trying to get a time cut by cooperating with police

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<v Speaker 4>in solving this homicide case and says, hey, I think

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<v Speaker 4>I know who's responsible for this, and that's how they

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<v Speaker 4>got hooked up with Mallory Vaughn. So the detective were

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<v Speaker 4>down I believe they were down there twice and talked

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<v Speaker 4>with him maybe three times. Never mentioned a young girl,

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<v Speaker 4>and the information that he gave was all on Mallory Vaughn.

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<v Speaker 1>But it appears that investigators didn't find nicholas cheating statement

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<v Speaker 1>about Malory Vaughn credible. So this case went cold for

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<v Speaker 1>nine years, and in that time, Angel grew.

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<v Speaker 3>I moved to Kentucky. During my junior year, graduated in

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<v Speaker 3>high school. I was deciding if I was going to

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<v Speaker 3>go to college or not. I actually was supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>go to college in New York. I wanted to be

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<v Speaker 3>a fashion designer and I was going to just go

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<v Speaker 3>to New York and risk it or whatever. But I

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<v Speaker 3>ended up getting pregnant, and I stayed and I ended

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<v Speaker 3>up going to University of Louisville. I still didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>what I wanted to do with my life now being

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<v Speaker 3>a mother, and then eventually I became a single mother.

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<v Speaker 5>Of two kids.

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<v Speaker 3>So I decided that I was just going to go

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<v Speaker 3>and get my nursing degree because my aunt has her

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<v Speaker 3>nursing degree. I have a couple of cousins who have

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<v Speaker 3>their nursing degree, and it just seemed like the most stable.

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<v Speaker 5>Career for me.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is all still between like eighteen and twenty three,

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<v Speaker 3>and so that was pretty much my life when she.

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<v Speaker 1>Was about eighteen or nineteen years old. In twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>she got a traffic ticket.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't really know about it, so I didn't pay it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I had got a warrant from not showing up

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<v Speaker 3>to court. Like I didn't know that I could go

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<v Speaker 3>and redocate my case instead of turning myself in. I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know that, but I went down there. I just

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<v Speaker 3>had to get built in. Ultimately, everything got dismissed in

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<v Speaker 3>tank Care, but my fingerprints were inside of the system

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<v Speaker 3>from that.

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<v Speaker 1>So your prints are in the system in twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>does anyone know why they decided, you know, to run

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<v Speaker 1>the princes again through APHIS in twenty eighteen.

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<v Speaker 3>If I remember from discovery that his granddaughter called and

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to see if they had any new evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>APHIS, the Automated Fingerprint Identification system marked angels prints as

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<v Speaker 1>a potential match for two partial prints. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>direct you to our coverage of fingerprint analysis on Junk Science.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be linked in the episode description, where we discuss

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<v Speaker 1>how fingerprint analysis is subjective in nature, performed by flawed

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<v Speaker 1>human beings on prints that are pulled from non uniform services.

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<v Speaker 1>There is also disagreement among the analyst community as to

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<v Speaker 1>how many points of correlation need to line up between

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<v Speaker 1>two prints in order to be considered a match. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>Angel's prints were flagged as a potential match to two

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<v Speaker 1>partial prints by APHIS, but then it was an analyst

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<v Speaker 1>who said that this print pulled from a material as

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<v Speaker 1>elastic as duct tape, could be called a quote unquote match.

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<v Speaker 4>Angel was pulled into this because of that fingerprint. That's

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<v Speaker 4>truly the only piece of evidence that they had on her.

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<v Speaker 1>Additionally, her grandfather said that he had done odd jobs

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<v Speaker 1>for the Bonners, and he later testified that the duct

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<v Speaker 1>tape likely belonged to him, which is a plausible explanation,

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<v Speaker 1>but coming from a loved one, it's easily explained away. Nevertheless,

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<v Speaker 1>the fingerprint match that the partial print was enough for.

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<v Speaker 3>An arrest warrant, and that was Joan of twenty eighteen.

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<v Speaker 3>They knocked on a door, opened the door, and I

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<v Speaker 3>mean and they were very hostile in their home and

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<v Speaker 3>their on their hips and stuff. They were asking me

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<v Speaker 3>who's inside of the house, and I'm like, it's just

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<v Speaker 3>me and my kids are sleeping. This was a Kentucky officer.

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<v Speaker 3>He was like, well, can I search your house? And

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<v Speaker 3>I thought maybe they were looking for someone, and so

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<v Speaker 3>I allowed them to come in. All of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like teen officers and some detectives from Tennessee scattered

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<v Speaker 3>inside of my apartment. They're not telling me why they're here.

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<v Speaker 3>They're just telling me to get my kids somewhere if

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<v Speaker 3>somebody can come pick up my kids. And they're like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we have a warrant for you. So I just I

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<v Speaker 3>get my aunt to come and get my kids, and

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<v Speaker 3>I just leave with them. I was very naive about

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<v Speaker 3>the legal system, and so I'm thinking this is a mistake,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever it is, and I'm just going to bond out

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<v Speaker 3>and be out in a couple hours. So I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>think that I was going to be locked up for

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<v Speaker 3>thirteen days.

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<v Speaker 1>Angels age at the time of the crime thirteen and

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<v Speaker 1>then her age at the time of arrest twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>presented the state with a challenge. This was technically a

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<v Speaker 1>juvenile case, but she couldn't be booked into juvenile facility

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<v Speaker 1>at twenty three, so Angel had to wait in jail

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<v Speaker 1>until her case was bound over into adult court before

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<v Speaker 1>bonding out in preparation for trial. Meanwhile, it appears that

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<v Speaker 1>after nine years of ignoring Nicholas Cheating as someone who'd

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<v Speaker 1>say anything for a time cut, all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>his word is seen as credible enough to arrest Mallory Vaughan.

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<v Speaker 3>The co defendant, asked for a speedy trial, and my

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<v Speaker 3>attorneys would not get our trials separated, like they would

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<v Speaker 3>not fight to get it separated for whatever reason.

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<v Speaker 1>And so now you've got a co defendant. That's how old.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe he's older than my mom.

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<v Speaker 4>He was forty eight.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he's like double my age.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was twenty eight when you were thirteen.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, And he says he didn't know Angel Boppas, and

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<v Speaker 4>Angel says she doesn't know him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it'd be really fucking weird if he knew her.

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<v Speaker 4>Creepy, you know how they connected the two of.

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<v Speaker 3>Them Facebook Facebook out on my profile. He was friends

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<v Speaker 3>with a family member who was also older than me.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but it was a friend ten years later and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm back when this occurred.

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<v Speaker 4>Their theory in this case was that Angel came home

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<v Speaker 4>from school, she went over to where Melory Vaughn stayed,

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<v Speaker 4>and that there were trails through the woods that led

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<v Speaker 4>to mister Botterer's home, and that they went down those

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<v Speaker 4>trails and committed this act. Now, there's no proof of

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<v Speaker 4>that whatsoever anywhere from anywhere else other than them saying it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this prosecutor is a very active.

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<v Speaker 3>Imagination, definitely, because I lived across the highway, so even

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<v Speaker 3>if it was I would still have to cross the

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<v Speaker 3>busy highway to get there.

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<v Speaker 1>So in addition, to dodging cars to cross a busy highway.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a narrow window in which this could have

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<v Speaker 1>even happened. Angel was at school until three pm, and

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<v Speaker 1>Linda Bonner found her husband at five pm.

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<v Speaker 5>My attorney.

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<v Speaker 3>They hired a private investigator and he actually determined that

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<v Speaker 3>I was at school. It shows that I wrote the boss,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have any absence on that day the timeframe,

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<v Speaker 3>I will have only had twenty minutes to commit the

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<v Speaker 3>crime and get back home.

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<v Speaker 1>The trial began at the end of September twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and to support this implausible narrative involving a five foot tall,

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<v Speaker 1>eighty pound thirteen year old beating and duct taping an

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<v Speaker 1>adult man to a chair, they had to give her

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<v Speaker 1>an accomplice who was strong enough to do Franklin Bonner

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<v Speaker 1>and maneuver his body around. So Nicholas Cheating took the

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<v Speaker 1>stand to implicate Mallory Vaughan.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he just was saying the the co defendant, that

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<v Speaker 3>he picked him up and he had money and he

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<v Speaker 3>usually never has money, and he said that he told

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<v Speaker 3>him that he did it, and something about a lottery man.

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<v Speaker 4>He should have be going to hit a lick on

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<v Speaker 4>the lottery man, and then he showed up the next

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<v Speaker 4>day with money, and of.

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<v Speaker 1>Course this twenty eight year old called up his trusted

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen year old partner in crime, who he found on Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>to hit a lick on the lottery man. Cool story,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess Nicholas Cheating recognized how ridiculous that sounded, so

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<v Speaker 1>he denied ever hearing anything about Angel Bumpis, as in

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<v Speaker 1>her co defendant. He denied knowing her at all, and

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps in an attempt to make it seem more plausible,

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<v Speaker 1>the state alluded to other potential accomplices.

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<v Speaker 3>The district attorneys, they just kept insinuating that the case

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<v Speaker 3>was in closed and insinuating that more people were going

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<v Speaker 3>to get arrested and more people were going to be

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<v Speaker 3>punished for the crime. And I don't want to bash anybody,

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<v Speaker 3>but the attorneys that I hired, they did not fight

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<v Speaker 3>for me. There were no objections. They weren't even paying attention,

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<v Speaker 3>Like one of the attorneys were just taxing the entire time.

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<v Speaker 3>The other attorneys, she wasn't prepared. She was trying to

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<v Speaker 3>write her closing statement, not listening. And then they didn't

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<v Speaker 3>get pictures of me when I was thirteen, So like,

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<v Speaker 3>it's literally a grown woman on trial, and I looked

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<v Speaker 3>very different from when I was thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, because the judge denied to admit your eighth grade

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<v Speaker 1>graduation picture into evidence.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's because those attorneys stay in properly put in

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<v Speaker 3>the evidence in a timely manner.

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<v Speaker 5>I really think that the jury was just confused.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe they weren't. When the charges are aggravated robbery

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<v Speaker 1>and felony murder with the specter of a larger group.

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<v Speaker 1>They just needed to prove that she had some involvement

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<v Speaker 1>in the actions that eventually led to mister Bonner's death.

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<v Speaker 1>So they met that low ball with this partial fingerprint

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<v Speaker 1>and without challenging if it even was her fingerprint. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a plausible explanation offered by Angel's grandfather. Unfortunately, defendant's

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<v Speaker 1>loved ones are typically easy to impeach or explain away.

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<v Speaker 3>I knew that the district attorney had made their case,

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<v Speaker 3>and like, while we were waiting for deliberation, we went

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<v Speaker 3>to this bar. The attorneys they all got drinks and

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<v Speaker 3>they're like, oh, Angel, get a drink. And then like

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<v Speaker 3>the female she asked me, She's like, do you want

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<v Speaker 3>to get in the car, and just go to Mexico,

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<v Speaker 3>and like, I don't know if she was joking or not,

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<v Speaker 3>but like in that moment, my heart dropped and I.

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<v Speaker 5>Just felt like I'll often to be found guilty.

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<v Speaker 3>And they also told me that if the co defendant

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<v Speaker 3>was found not guilty, then I will be found not guilty.

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<v Speaker 5>So they read his verdict first.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's not guilty, so I have a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>of hope. But then I get guilty. So I went

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<v Speaker 3>to Silverdale and then I went to Tennessee Prison for Women.

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<v Speaker 3>I got written up on my first day because I

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<v Speaker 3>refused medical things. And it's just like I guess back then,

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<v Speaker 3>I just wanted to hold on to whatever rights that

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<v Speaker 3>I did have, and I knew that I didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>to do anything medical because they couln't force medical stuff

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<v Speaker 3>on you even if you're a prisoner.

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<v Speaker 5>And yeah, so they wrote me up.

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<v Speaker 3>I went to segregation for forty days upon arrival, very

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<v Speaker 3>tough time. Couldn't use the phone, couldn't write letters, couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>do anything. Then I got out and I would just

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<v Speaker 3>call home a lot. Because it's also happened during COVID,

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<v Speaker 3>so there was no visits or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, how old were your two little ones at.

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<v Speaker 3>The time, they had just turned five and four.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeezus, that really sucks.

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<v Speaker 5>It was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was very traumatic experience going to prison. Like I

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<v Speaker 3>literally don't know how people do that. I mean I

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<v Speaker 3>did it, but like I can see how people like

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<v Speaker 3>they go insane, they start using drugs and just all

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<v Speaker 3>of that, because that's all you see in prison is

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<v Speaker 3>drug use and just a lot of stuff. Guards doing stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>they shit in and it's sad. But I had a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of support, not only for my family, but from

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<v Speaker 3>millions of people all over the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Angel was being prosecuted. An e crime docuseries Accused

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<v Speaker 1>Guilty or Innocent picked up on the story, and the

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<v Speaker 1>coverage garnered a great deal of support for Angel. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>the sentence she was given, considering all the strides that

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<v Speaker 1>had been made over the previous two decades around life

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<v Speaker 1>sentences for juveniles amounting to cruel and unusual punishment, it

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<v Speaker 1>appeared that Angel's situation might have been unconstitutional.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you had sixty years because it was two felony,

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<v Speaker 3>so you automatically get a life sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, But if they

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<v Speaker 1>believe themselves, this is a crime that was committed when

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<v Speaker 1>she was thirteen, and by twenty eighteen, the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 1>had already ruled mandatory life sentences for juveniles unconstitutional.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, there's been a case recently that laid out the

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<v Speaker 4>law here for Tennessee. It said, I mean, I know

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<v Speaker 4>the Eighth Amendment. You can't sen uce a juvenile to

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<v Speaker 4>life and not take into account the maturity that they

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<v Speaker 4>had at the time of the offense, or any of

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<v Speaker 4>their upbringing or anything like that. You can't foreclose the

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<v Speaker 4>future on a juvenile like that. And so they said,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, at twenty five years, then you've got to

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<v Speaker 4>be able to look and see if they've engaged in

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<v Speaker 4>rehabilitative efforts. But the parole board can make that decision, and.

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<v Speaker 1>We know that parole boards are typically filled with political appointees,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's hard to know if we can count on

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<v Speaker 1>that protocol. Either way, she was re sentenced the first

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<v Speaker 1>in a series of victories that happened, I believe, quicker

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<v Speaker 1>than any case we've ever covered. You know, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>to say that four years is somehow nothing. Just take

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<v Speaker 1>a second to think about the length of one month

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<v Speaker 1>or one year. I mean, would you accept being kidnapped

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<v Speaker 1>away from your life, your children, your loved ones for

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<v Speaker 1>any amount of time. So we can only be grateful

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<v Speaker 1>that this injustice was undone with the urgency that all

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<v Speaker 1>innocent people deserve.

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<v Speaker 4>So Angela had hired me then to tried to get

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<v Speaker 4>her a new trial. The judge allowed me to come

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<v Speaker 4>into the case. We ordered transcripts, and prior council got

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<v Speaker 4>me their files, and we went to work.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill was able to point out multiple errors in Angel's trial,

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<v Speaker 1>outlining ineffective assistance of council claims and constitutional violations. Judge

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Greenholtz noted that Angel's eighth grade yearbook photos should

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<v Speaker 1>not have been excluded from evidence, that her council failed

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<v Speaker 1>to not only admit it in a timely fashion, but

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<v Speaker 1>also failed to object to the ten years too late

0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:03.399
<v Speaker 1>Facebook between angels relative and Mallory Vaughan, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>to the specter of this larger group alleged to have

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<v Speaker 1>been involved with the crime, among so many others. Greenholts

0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:12.600
<v Speaker 1>finally ruled that the evidence was insufficient to establish that

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<v Speaker 1>a robbery had even been committed, and without the robbery,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no felony murder. They'd have to prove that she

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<v Speaker 1>did it, and the theory was literally that this eighty

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<v Speaker 1>pound thirteen year old could not have physically committed this

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<v Speaker 1>crime without extensive help.

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<v Speaker 4>After the judge ruled in our favor, the next thing

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<v Speaker 4>we did was asked for a bond. The judge was

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<v Speaker 4>not going to approve the source of income until the

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<v Speaker 4>entire amount of premium was paid on the bond, which

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<v Speaker 4>was going to be the following week, and so we

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<v Speaker 4>had really been anticipating Angel getting out. I know she was,

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<v Speaker 4>and we were very disappointed. But about that time I

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<v Speaker 4>felt a tug on my jacket and I turned around

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<v Speaker 4>and it was the bonds lady and she said, Bill,

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<v Speaker 4>there is a gentleman in the back there wants to

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<v Speaker 4>talk with you. So I said, judge, would you excuse

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<v Speaker 4>me just a moment. She said sure. I went back

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<v Speaker 4>and he said I want to make her bond. Said, well, great,

0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:11.080
<v Speaker 4>why are you doing this? And he said, I'll follow

0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:13.679
<v Speaker 4>this case is that started, and I believe she is

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<v Speaker 4>probably not guilty. So I asked him some other questions

0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:20.200
<v Speaker 4>about his source of income and his business and raised

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<v Speaker 4>my hand and said, judge will have one more witness,

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<v Speaker 4>and he was kind enough to make that premium.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I cried.

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<v Speaker 3>I was really wanting to get out and see my kids,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I was just very grateful.

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<v Speaker 1>That's got to be incredibly emotionally confusing. I mean, you

0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:39.760
<v Speaker 1>got this positive outcome with this generous gesture, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>only positive in the undoing of this evil right Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>You get home and you know, you probably squeeze those

0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:50.160
<v Speaker 1>kids so tight their heads nearly popped off.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 3>That was a little difficult too, with their gay. Even now,

0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:58.240
<v Speaker 3>we are still going back and forth in court with

0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:02.000
<v Speaker 3>like custody and visits, and it's a lot that has

0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:04.960
<v Speaker 3>transpired in my wife. I still just have to deal

0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:06.480
<v Speaker 3>with the mass regardless.

0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:09.639
<v Speaker 1>And even though Angel was out, this was not over yet.

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<v Speaker 1>But at least with a newly elected district Attorney, Cody Womp,

0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:16.200
<v Speaker 1>they were no longer fighting the same folks who had

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<v Speaker 1>followed through with this absurd prosecution.

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<v Speaker 4>I talked with the prosecutors and they believed, I think

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<v Speaker 4>that Angel was not, in their view, the primary perpetrator

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<v Speaker 4>of this offense, and they thought because of the fingerprint

0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:35.840
<v Speaker 4>that she may have been present, but they wanted to

0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:41.440
<v Speaker 4>know who is responsible and essentially tell them and we'll

0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:44.480
<v Speaker 4>move you to go home. And so I go to Angel,

0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:47.080
<v Speaker 4>who's always told me I don't know anything about this.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't do this. But I go to her. She

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<v Speaker 4>swelled up and said, mister Massey, I do not know

0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:58.520
<v Speaker 4>what happened that day. I was not there. And so

0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:03.040
<v Speaker 4>at that point we had to explain how those fingerprints

0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:07.080
<v Speaker 4>got there, or at least neuter that evidence in some way.

0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:11.480
<v Speaker 1>As I mentioned earlier, fingerprint analysis has come under scrutiny

0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:14.960
<v Speaker 1>on a few fronts, but most importantly, as in this case,

0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:18.920
<v Speaker 1>fingerprint analysts are often dealing with partial prints from non

0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:22.479
<v Speaker 1>uniform or uneven surfaces, and there's a disagreement in that

0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:26.800
<v Speaker 1>community about how many points of correlation between fingerprints constitute

0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:29.960
<v Speaker 1>a match. Is it twelve or twenty? I mean, raise

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<v Speaker 1>your hand. If you thought that it had to be

0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:33.760
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing, then you have to consider the surface.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it elastic? Did it ben some aspect of the

0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:38.520
<v Speaker 1>print that you're trying to match. But even under the

0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:41.720
<v Speaker 1>most reliable conditions, you also must prove that the print

0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:46.240
<v Speaker 1>didn't enter the scene innocently, as Angel's grandfather contended a trial.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, with this ongoing discussion around the reliability of fingerprints.

0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Bill found additional support for Angel's innocence.

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<v Speaker 4>That's when I arranged for her to take this enhanced

0:24:57.520 --> 0:25:03.560
<v Speaker 4>polygraph that's available now to cycle physiological detection of deception examination.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe it said between ninety two and ninety seven

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<v Speaker 4>percent accurate, and the first one she took she did

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<v Speaker 4>great on. I gave it to the prosecutors, but they

0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 4>wanted a law enforcement examination and I was told there

0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:22.359
<v Speaker 4>weren't enough questions asked on this examination. I said, the

0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:26.680
<v Speaker 4>polygraph strength is in the brevity of the questions. It's

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<v Speaker 4>a single issue polygraph. That's what makes it so reliable.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the reason the National Security Agency uses it, dea

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<v Speaker 4>Department of Defense uses it. But they wanted a law

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<v Speaker 4>enforcement polygraph. So we then went and found a second

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<v Speaker 4>polygraph expert who had a background with law enforcement, had

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<v Speaker 4>a wonderful resume, and he called me right after it

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<v Speaker 4>was over and he said, Bill, you've got to have

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<v Speaker 4>four points to show that you're not being deceptive. He said,

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<v Speaker 4>she had fourteen. This lady's telling the truth. I said, well,

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<v Speaker 4>you put that into your report. He said absolutely. So

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<v Speaker 4>we took that down then to Miss Womp and when

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<v Speaker 4>she saw that, she had her people look at her

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<v Speaker 4>TBI experts look at the examination that was given, and

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<v Speaker 4>they verified that it was an accurate test. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>when they agreed to dismiss the charges.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when I was reading initially about this case,

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<v Speaker 1>my first impression was, at this point, it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>they were, you know, looking for some way to save

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<v Speaker 1>face for the office and you know, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>do the right thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, what did to give them that reason?

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<v Speaker 1>So the district attorney joined you and Judge A Man

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<v Speaker 1>had done agreed. The charges were dismissed in August twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, it was wonderful seeing the look on Angel's face

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<v Speaker 4>when that dismissal was announced. I hadn't seen that deep

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<v Speaker 4>of a smile in quite a while. You practice your

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<v Speaker 4>whole life hoping for a moment that good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Angel, the kids, how old are they now?

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<v Speaker 5>Ten and nine? It's their birthday night?

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, ten and nine years. You've still got some formative

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<v Speaker 1>years left. But where are you all living now?

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<v Speaker 3>I love back in Louisville, Kentucky. So I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 3>co parent with their dad. Like I said earlier, that's

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<v Speaker 3>just it's been very difficult, and a lot of stuff

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<v Speaker 3>that happened wouldn't have happened if I went to a prison.

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<v Speaker 3>But I am back inside of nursing school. I got

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<v Speaker 3>a year and a half and I'm going straight for

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<v Speaker 3>the registered nurse and I have my PSN inside of it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just got a year and a half of

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<v Speaker 3>that during that time. Like, I'm also a licensed as

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<v Speaker 3>a titian, so I'm kind of going to do something

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<v Speaker 3>with like medical spot after I get my degree.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. Anything else that you're working on, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>something you'd like to bring our attention to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I have wrote a book because when I was

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<v Speaker 3>locked up, I used to journal like every day. I

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<v Speaker 3>got notebooks and notebooks of stuff that happened every single day.

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<v Speaker 5>Like I remember, people used to be like she's always writing.

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<v Speaker 5>What is she writing? Like is she trying to tell

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<v Speaker 5>on us?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I would literally document everything that I saw, everything

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<v Speaker 3>that happened, like I had.

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<v Speaker 5>I got all stacks of it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm currently going back and forth for different publishers

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<v Speaker 3>just to like fully detail get out my story. And

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<v Speaker 3>I really hope that inspires people, as people have wrote

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<v Speaker 3>me and told me that I have inspired them, and

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to get that bit of hope on

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<v Speaker 3>paper to people to have forever and I can just

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<v Speaker 3>finally close that chapter of my life and just to

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<v Speaker 3>move on.

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<v Speaker 4>Would you send me an autographed copy?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, we've linked her socials in the episode description,

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<v Speaker 1>so if anyone would like to reach out and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>potentially assist in the publishing process, please do so. And

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<v Speaker 1>with that we'll go to closing arguments, where I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna thank you both for joining us today, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to lean back and lock it up as

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<v Speaker 1>they share their closing thoughts.

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<v Speaker 4>BILP closing thoughts are while something like this that Angel

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<v Speaker 4>got the experience, both the bad and the good. It's

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<v Speaker 4>rare to see it, but it happens far more than

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<v Speaker 4>we see. It happens far more than we see. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 4>it's the wrong person, they weren't there, just like it

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't Angel's case. And sometimes it's just simply overcharging. We

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<v Speaker 4>applaud the work that the Edocence Project does and the

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<v Speaker 4>Wrongful Conviction Group. It's a labor of love, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a labor of love.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I just hope that one day the Juvenile laws will

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<v Speaker 3>be better, especially for my case, because I personally don't

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<v Speaker 3>agree with anybody under eighteen spend it sixty years in prison.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope that one day people can like relook into

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<v Speaker 3>laws because I do feel like crimes are not black

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<v Speaker 3>and white, like it's more stuff that goes into it.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been around women who are there because of a boyfriend,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and just because they didn't want to say anything,

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<v Speaker 3>then they got twenty thirty years sitting. Can't get out

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<v Speaker 3>because I can't afford to get an appeal attorney or

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<v Speaker 3>anything like that. And I just hope one day more

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<v Speaker 3>district attorneys and police officers get a little more accountability

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<v Speaker 3>so mistakes won't happen. Because anytime a mistake this happened,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it was just they were just doing their job,

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<v Speaker 3>so nothing can be done about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for listening to Wrong for Conviction. You can

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<v Speaker 2>as my fellow executive producers Jeff Kempler Kevin Wartis and

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Clibern. The music in this production was supplied by

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