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Speaker 1: episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe, joined as always by
Speaker 1: Devon and Steve. Yeah. So we're gonna solve a really
Speaker 1: groovy mystery. By the way, this is part of our
Speaker 1: summer series. So in order to pring up some of
Speaker 1: your precious time we started, we decided to drop a
Speaker 1: series of episodes. They are kind of shorter because the
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is there's a ton of mysteries
Speaker 1: out there and a lot of them aren't really and
Speaker 1: a half mysteries unfortunately. So we're gonna cover some of
Speaker 1: those and then you have more time for barbecues and
Speaker 1: swelling beer, blowing your fingers off with fireworks, you know,
Speaker 1: all the usual stuff. So so let's get to it.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a bang. Actually, I know that. I
Speaker 1: think I think the listeners are Thinking Sideways are smarter
Speaker 1: than the average bear, and I think that probably they're
Speaker 1: not the demographic that actually do blow their fingers off, hopefully. Well,
Speaker 1: let's stop talking about the demographic just in case. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't want to isolate them. Yeah, this mystery is
Speaker 1: so it's kind of old. It's over a half century old.
Speaker 1: Hit involves a little death, and it's got the usual
Speaker 1: cia perfidy and it's so trigger warnings. You know, you
Speaker 1: guys know what that means. It starts depending on where
Speaker 1: you read about it, either August fifteen or August in
Speaker 1: fawon sent is three France. That is, it's actually it
Speaker 1: actually should be pronounced pont santas sprit, but franch are
Speaker 1: famous for mispronouncing everything. Yeah, a pretty bad at pronunciation.
Speaker 1: Sorry French listeners, just kidding. Palm sat Spree is a
Speaker 1: small village in southern France uh as of the two
Speaker 1: thousand twelve censes population ten thousand, sixty one, but the
Speaker 1: town was somewhat less than half that size. One of
Speaker 1: these strange events began to take place. And by the way,
Speaker 1: have you have you guys gone and looked at on
Speaker 1: the street view. Yeah, it's it looks like a really beautiful,
Speaker 1: charming little town. I mean, it's in France, so it
Speaker 1: looks like a nice place to live. Yeah it does.
Speaker 1: So our story actually begins a little earlier in August,
Speaker 1: because some of the citizens of Paul Sandy Spree began
Speaker 1: experiencing heartburn, stomach cramps, fevere chills in some cases vomiting,
Speaker 1: and diarrhea, and most people had their heart rates slowed
Speaker 1: dangerously down. Then some people felt that like their entire
Speaker 1: digestive tract was on fire. So obviously there have been
Speaker 1: somebody that ingested something. I believe that would be the Yeah.
Speaker 1: Probably there was intense cramping of hands, feet, and calves
Speaker 1: in some cases, and the symptoms varied widely actually among
Speaker 1: all the various people, but quite a few people were affected.
Speaker 1: A lot of people were affected with insomnia that people
Speaker 1: were not able to sleep for several days. And within
Speaker 1: two days of this beginning, about two fifty three people
Speaker 1: started to go insane. And yeah, it must have been
Speaker 1: It must have been really interesting to be living in
Speaker 1: Paul Saisbrey in those days to be one of the
Speaker 1: people who is not going insane, surrounded by a bunch
Speaker 1: of insane people. Yeah, and wondering if you're going insane insane, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be it would be weird. Yeah. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people still alive who remember that whole
Speaker 1: that whole thing. Few were all the time, of course,
Speaker 1: because it happened. This sounds that that whole being around
Speaker 1: a bunch of people who are going nuts and worrying.
Speaker 1: If your next sounds like the plot of so many movies, Well,
Speaker 1: it's just like the dancing plague. Yeah, I mean we've
Speaker 1: and you know there's that the whole laughing sickness, laughter
Speaker 1: sickness thing that we've not done an episode on yet.
Speaker 1: But we haven't done that one. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that's one of those things that's so I
Speaker 1: just messes with your head kind of does. I hope
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen to me. Psychosis. Yeah, there was a
Speaker 1: recent case where it was an entire let's say it
Speaker 1: was a junior high or a high school all came
Speaker 1: down with Tourette's supposedly, and it was it was another
Speaker 1: It was just kind of one of those weird group
Speaker 1: psychosis things. Very odd. Yeah, it would be weird to
Speaker 1: be the guy who's like, um, I'm not yelling, I'm
Speaker 1: not screaming anybody and I don't I don't get it,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Or am I and I just don't
Speaker 1: know it. It's entirely possible. Where was I out? The
Speaker 1: Time magazine covered it. They and they told how people
Speaker 1: ran through the streets yelling that somebody was trying to
Speaker 1: get them u people were, according to a person who
Speaker 1: was interviewed who lived there at the time, people were
Speaker 1: hitting each other and insulting one another. A small boy
Speaker 1: supported supposedly attempted to strangle his mother, although in some
Speaker 1: tellings of this tale was his grandmother, and they were delirious,
Speaker 1: people being tied to their beds. People screamed that red
Speaker 1: flowers were coming out of their bodies. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: that would be I really don't want to have yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: uh yeah. Somebody said his head had turned to molten lead.
Speaker 1: Another person thought his head had turned to copper. And
Speaker 1: they were reportedly for suicide attempts and something. They were
Speaker 1: actually some successful suicides. Also, one guy claimed he was
Speaker 1: just According to a witness who was interviewed in he
Speaker 1: was he was standing in the window of a building
Speaker 1: like two or three stories up and was shouting, look up,
Speaker 1: a dragonfly and yeah, you know this is not going
Speaker 1: to end well, right. Yeah. Luckily for him, he only
Speaker 1: broke his legs. He didn't didn't kill himself, but yeah,
Speaker 1: ouch apparently survived. Another man tried to drown himself because
Speaker 1: he thought his body was being eaten by snakes. Another
Speaker 1: guy claimed that he saw his heart escaping through his feet. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: he went to Yeah, that would be another unpleasant one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's a serious set of trips. Uh. Yeah, these people
Speaker 1: are really really really tripping here. Yeah yeah, big time. Uh.
Speaker 1: There's a post been named Leon Mounier who was still
Speaker 1: alive in when he was interviewed by the BBC. He
Speaker 1: said he was doing his route and riding a bicycle
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he became nauseous and then
Speaker 1: he started hallucinating, and he said, and I quote, I
Speaker 1: had the sensation of shrinking and shrinking and the fire
Speaker 1: and the serpents coiling around my arms unquote. So that
Speaker 1: sounds pretty intense. Yeah, yeah, it sounds like a Jim
Speaker 1: Morrison song. Yeah. I was just gonna say it sounds
Speaker 1: a bit like Alice in Wonderland. Yeah. But you know,
Speaker 1: what's what's what's remarkable about this and you know, maybe
Speaker 1: actually some people were hallucinating. They had pleasant hallucinations that
Speaker 1: they were like, you know, you know, like romping through
Speaker 1: a mountain met oh, and you know, by fluffy kittens,
Speaker 1: you know, but apparently otherwise I'm hearing about are really horrible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I want to have the trip where I'm surrounded
Speaker 1: by fluffy kittens. Yeah, me too, Not the not the
Speaker 1: snakes coiling one. No, I'd rather not have that one.
Speaker 1: Back to our postman, he was taken to a hospital
Speaker 1: and putting a straight jacket, and he was put in
Speaker 1: a room with three teenagers who have been chained to
Speaker 1: their beds, and apparently they spent several days in there,
Speaker 1: and Leon the postman eventually came to a census. But
Speaker 1: needless to say, he does not have good memories of
Speaker 1: this whole thing. So this was the kind of thing
Speaker 1: that people would go into and out of. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't like the everybody was crazy at the same time.
Speaker 1: It was kind of more I get intermittent, I think,
Speaker 1: and for different people at different times. And it lasted
Speaker 1: longer for some people than others. Yeah, and some people
Speaker 1: recovered fairly quickly. Some people actually didn't hallucinate. They just
Speaker 1: experienced some of the symptoms, like you know, the feverish
Speaker 1: kind of feeling, and you know, the heartburn and the cramps,
Speaker 1: but they never got as far as a hallucination thing. Interesting, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: lucky for them, But some people really went around the bend.
Speaker 1: In the end, somewhere between four and ten people died.
Speaker 1: The accounts of Berry most of them that I see
Speaker 1: say that seven died, but I've seen but the number
Speaker 1: might actually be as low as four. I got that
Speaker 1: number of a report by the National Institutes of Health
Speaker 1: that was written two weeks after the incident. So this
Speaker 1: this got into the press fairly quickly. Yeah. Yeah. Apparently
Speaker 1: three of the four were old and in bad health already,
Speaker 1: so and they died of cardiovascular collapse. One was a
Speaker 1: young twenty six year old guy in good health, but
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, uh, he thought he also died of
Speaker 1: cardiovascular collapse. And that report was written beginning of September,
Speaker 1: so it's possible there are a few people that died
Speaker 1: after that. So it's really kind of hazy exactly. You mean,
Speaker 1: from lingering effects of whatever they experienced, yeah, or suicide
Speaker 1: or whatever. So it's just I'm still not totally sure
Speaker 1: exactly how many people died, And of course people die anyway,
Speaker 1: so it's hard to incidentally died, but not a huge
Speaker 1: number of people, but still it's kind of weird. And
Speaker 1: then forty six people were committed to asylums. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure how long for I don't I don't know that
Speaker 1: anybody had to be permanently committed because of this, but
Speaker 1: this was an era where people loved to commit people
Speaker 1: and just leave them there for a while. So like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like you just oh, we're just we're going
Speaker 1: to commit you for some psychiatric help. You'll be there
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks, no big deal. It's like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: we're going to commit you. Will see you in six
Speaker 1: months to a year, billy, or maybe for the rest
Speaker 1: of your life, who knows. Yeah, it turns out it's
Speaker 1: incredibly hard once you've convinced somebody that you are insane,
Speaker 1: to convince them that you aren't insane. Yeah, it's raw hard.
Speaker 1: Whether Yeah, there's this story of the guy who was
Speaker 1: trying to get out of some crime and so he
Speaker 1: pled insanity and acted nuts and got himself put into
Speaker 1: a mental facility and then once he was there, he's like,
Speaker 1: after a while, he's like, I'm cured. You guys have
Speaker 1: done a great job. We know better. Now you're you're
Speaker 1: you're not actually better? Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. See how
Speaker 1: did he ever get out? Oh gosh, I don't remember,
Speaker 1: it's been so long since I've read about the story. Well,
Speaker 1: definitely if I were if I was a doctor and
Speaker 1: say that the crime carried a ten year sentence, I
Speaker 1: probably wait ten years and said, I guess you're cured
Speaker 1: after all? Yeah? Oh, where was I? All? In all,
Speaker 1: about three d people were affected by this whole thing,
Speaker 1: um and again, the intensity of the attacks and the
Speaker 1: hallucinations varied quite a bit, but some people were permanently
Speaker 1: damaged and never really led normal lives again. They couldn't
Speaker 1: hold down a job. They were just kind of weird
Speaker 1: after that. You mean by damage, do you mean they
Speaker 1: were suffering some kind of psychosis, still suffering intermitting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just toughering intermitting, like hallucinations and things like that.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't just like a little post trauma extress
Speaker 1: disorder stuff that could have something to do with it, too,
Speaker 1: Or it could have been that they were just dead
Speaker 1: beats who didn't want to actually have to have a job,
Speaker 1: and they wanted to be on the form it was convenient.
Speaker 1: That's it. I don't know. I don't know that unemployment
Speaker 1: was great in the fifties, but yeah, no, probably not.
Speaker 1: I think that there's there are people out there who
Speaker 1: are psychologically a little a little less stable than all
Speaker 1: of us. Have something like this happened to you, it
Speaker 1: could permanely. I can see where it could primarily damage you.
Speaker 1: I don't even know that you would have to be,
Speaker 1: you know, less stable than normal quote unquote, you know,
Speaker 1: I think this is the sort of thing, particularly everybody
Speaker 1: breaking well, and if you saw, if you were in
Speaker 1: really seeing kind of the most horrible stuff that was happening,
Speaker 1: people screaming about these things happening to them, or you know,
Speaker 1: guys saying that they could fly and jumping and you know,
Speaker 1: things like that that could probably permanently damage almost anyone. Well,
Speaker 1: I could see it would leave you some pretty traumatic memories. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: And and the other thing is that that area has
Speaker 1: a pretty it's a high Um, they're all fairly religious,
Speaker 1: it's mostly Catholics. Um, So there's there's a certain fire
Speaker 1: and brimstone aspect that you might have apocalyptic Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I've gone to Hell and if you're
Speaker 1: very devout, that would have some pretty traumatic effects on you.
Speaker 1: Not good. Yeah, of course when you come back from hell,
Speaker 1: then hey, then what have I done? What do I
Speaker 1: gotta do? Right? I can never do? I mean like
Speaker 1: this is one of those snowball situations. Or maybe you
Speaker 1: are still in hell and you just don't know it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're all in hell. Possible that was playing something. Yeah, yeah, Actually,
Speaker 1: of course things did get back to normal. Inquiries were made,
Speaker 1: and it turns out that everybody had been affected by
Speaker 1: this insanity had bought bread from a local baker whose
Speaker 1: name was Rock Beyond, and some people suspected of intentionally
Speaker 1: poisoning his customers, although it doesn't look like he actually
Speaker 1: did do it on purpose. Is this is a square
Speaker 1: a rectangle sort of situation where everyone who was sick
Speaker 1: had bought bread from him, but not everyone who bought
Speaker 1: bread from him was sick? Or was it like no,
Speaker 1: literally everybody who got sick were the only people who
Speaker 1: bought bread from him. You know, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I would I would suggest nobody. I don't think anybody
Speaker 1: goes and buys bread and doesn't eat at least some
Speaker 1: of it. Well, I just mean, you know, so if
Speaker 1: he's the only baker in town, right, and there's five
Speaker 1: thousand people there, and all five thousand have bought bread
Speaker 1: from him, but only three hundred got sick, versus only
Speaker 1: those three hundred people bought bread from him and ate
Speaker 1: it and got sick, Devin is asking is it all
Speaker 1: or some only is some of his customers? Because um,
Speaker 1: and we'll get into this more later on. But but
Speaker 1: there were certain products that he made that may have
Speaker 1: been tainted, but not necessarily all of them. Okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I just feel like that's an important thing. But yeah,
Speaker 1: none of the other bakers in town had sold bread
Speaker 1: to these people were having problems. Yeah, it doesn't look
Speaker 1: like he did it on purpose, though. They traced his
Speaker 1: grain that he'd used back to a supplier in another town.
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I came across it and I should
Speaker 1: have written it down. Now I can't find it again.
Speaker 1: I hate that because the Internet has moved the link
Speaker 1: on your computer to somewhere else. The Internet shift today. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: that turned They decided that they had sold broke beyond
Speaker 1: a tainted batch of grain. And I'm assuming this is
Speaker 1: the old old days. I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 1: they actually supplied him with flour or if they gave
Speaker 1: him grain and then he grounded up himself. That's a
Speaker 1: good question. Yeah, I don't know. In the fifties, probably
Speaker 1: the flower could it could be mass production was not
Speaker 1: as ingrained well as it is now. Yeah, especially in
Speaker 1: some of these little old villages. And you know that,
Speaker 1: I think probably pretty old school. I guess it's just
Speaker 1: my bias to assume when somebody says his supplier, I
Speaker 1: think you would think that that produced. But you're right
Speaker 1: efficient to grind, to grind it all in one place
Speaker 1: and make it into flour, you know, and then send
Speaker 1: the flower out of the bakers. Chicken Little did teach
Speaker 1: me that it's true? Yeah, right, it was Chicken Little,
Speaker 1: good old Chicken Little. I don't know if this guy
Speaker 1: is falling. Oh no, it was the other chicken, the
Speaker 1: one that made the bread did everything. Um, really, I
Speaker 1: think you're hallucinating. I don't. I don't think any chicken
Speaker 1: ever made any bread. But my chickens have never made bread. Well,
Speaker 1: any long story short, it appears that our good old
Speaker 1: friend Ergot was the cause of the poison. Officially officially
Speaker 1: if as you know, if you've listened to past episodes,
Speaker 1: the only culprit that we blame more than air goot
Speaker 1: is choopy, good old choopy. It's not lupus. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: air goot if you don't know, it is a fungus
Speaker 1: that grows on rye plants um, which is, by the way,
Speaker 1: the reason I've stopped eating rye bread. I like rye,
Speaker 1: you know, I really do. I don't think I don't
Speaker 1: think I got something that like people get in modern days.
Speaker 1: Probably not. I think the kind of bread that you
Speaker 1: would be buying, kind of rye bread you would be
Speaker 1: buying would be pretty heavily processed and probably fungus free.
Speaker 1: Oh cool, Maybe I'll start eating it again, you should.
Speaker 1: I think the main thing is just not to let
Speaker 1: it get too old. Yeah, well, obviously, don't let it
Speaker 1: get moldy. Yeah, I know that. There's don't just don't
Speaker 1: let any of your bread get moldy. That pretty much, yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: And the other thing to watch is peanuts. There's a
Speaker 1: there's a mold that grows on peanuts that is really
Speaker 1: deadly destroy your liver. So yeah, maybe that's why I
Speaker 1: feel like crap. All Yeah, I don't eat old nuts.
Speaker 1: That are you work too much? Anyway. The most believed
Speaker 1: theory so far is air got poisoning. But of course
Speaker 1: there are others, of course, of course, but the first
Speaker 1: one is is is of course air got we're getting
Speaker 1: in our theories. Now, So did Rothebrian get a batch
Speaker 1: of flower that was tainted by ergo fungus? It seems possible,
Speaker 1: there's this though, well there are it's it's it's possible.
Speaker 1: I mean, there could have been a batch, a batch
Speaker 1: that was processed that by a supplier. Then we're gonna,
Speaker 1: i guess, assume for the sake of assuming that it
Speaker 1: was sent to him as flour bags of flower. So
Speaker 1: imagine that you've got this whole, huge batch of grain
Speaker 1: and there's a tiny little bit of it that's affected
Speaker 1: with God, and so you grind it all up, dump
Speaker 1: it into bag, and just as luck has it, it
Speaker 1: all winds up in just one bag and not in
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of bags. Well, or maybe some of
Speaker 1: it got distributed to other bags, but in small enough
Speaker 1: quantities that um, it didn't really afflict too many people.
Speaker 1: My two cents on that is one, again, we're making
Speaker 1: the assumption that this is a large scale supplier. It's
Speaker 1: possible that it's just a farm that only supplied him,
Speaker 1: right or you know, him and one other people. But
Speaker 1: we're also assuming that it came to him with or
Speaker 1: got in it. Is it not possible that he got
Speaker 1: the flower or maybe the the grain and just let
Speaker 1: it sit for a little while he was ordered in
Speaker 1: bulk or something like that. And that's exactly what I
Speaker 1: was thinking. Actually it could have been Actually you could
Speaker 1: have caused it, not intentionally, but just to slightly negligent
Speaker 1: behavior by letting it lay around. I mean we've all experienced,
Speaker 1: you know, like when something gets pushed to the back
Speaker 1: of the fridge and you kind of forget about it
Speaker 1: and then you discover it like long later, and oh wow,
Speaker 1: it's like scary looking. Yeah, I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: think one of the things, right, is it's possible also
Speaker 1: when you go to the store and they're like meat
Speaker 1: on sale super Slash, and you go, oh, that's a
Speaker 1: great deal, without thinking, well, it's probably on sale because
Speaker 1: they got to get rid of it, because it's going
Speaker 1: to go bad and sticks on it so you can't
Speaker 1: see the I love how they do that. Sneaky, but
Speaker 1: I mean it's possible, right Also that you know, he
Speaker 1: just got a batch that was a little older and
Speaker 1: he didn't realize it was older, and then he let
Speaker 1: it sit for a little too long and then just
Speaker 1: made some bread with it. And that's you know, actually,
Speaker 1: I really you know, I'm really leaning towards that myself,
Speaker 1: because yeah, I think that's probably what happens. Can I
Speaker 1: can I ask you a question, because it's been so
Speaker 1: long since we've talked about or got that I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Does cooking the bread not destroy the toxin? Well, that's
Speaker 1: the part that I don't know. I was trying to
Speaker 1: do a little research on that and I couldn't find
Speaker 1: out one way or the other. Um And I really
Speaker 1: honestly don't know because generally speaking, in cases of air
Speaker 1: got poisoning, it's usually bread that's already been baked and
Speaker 1: sitting around for too long. Right, Yeah, So it's it's
Speaker 1: old bread. So that's why that's why I'm asking this,
Speaker 1: because the grain having it doesn't seem to be as
Speaker 1: much of a culprit to me. If then he threw
Speaker 1: it into an oven and cooked it. He's you know,
Speaker 1: he's cooked it off unless it's sitting it's in the grain,
Speaker 1: and then it jumps from the grain to the loaves
Speaker 1: of cooked bread that are sitting around that have cooled
Speaker 1: off and therefore are a perfect host to get. Well,
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. That's always possible too. I guess,
Speaker 1: so all our bakers don't store your freshly baked bread
Speaker 1: on top of your flower supply good idea. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: you know have you know, but you probably noticed that
Speaker 1: a lot of bread, what they do is after they
Speaker 1: baked it, before it actually like cools, they sprinkle like bread. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, so that's a possibility. Is that actually the
Speaker 1: air got that was in it when it got baked
Speaker 1: was maybe killed off, but they sprinkled fresh stuff on top. Uh.
Speaker 1: The other thing that I was seeing when I was
Speaker 1: like reading about air got and bread is that, at
Speaker 1: least in modern times, they see the most instances of
Speaker 1: the ergot being developed in baked bread when it's put
Speaker 1: directly with um, without being able to be cooled sufficiently,
Speaker 1: put directly into plastic bags because the moisture in um.
Speaker 1: So I wonder if it's possible that he was bagging
Speaker 1: his bread before it was, you know, in plastic bags,
Speaker 1: and none of the other bakers in town were they
Speaker 1: were letting it air drying away. I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't think they were using plastic bags, and those would
Speaker 1: be a evalent. I mean the paper would you know,
Speaker 1: you got to the baker sometimes and you get that
Speaker 1: kind of waxy paper, you know, what your paper, and
Speaker 1: they'll they'll sometimes I've been to places where they'll just
Speaker 1: wrap it in that and give it to you in that.
Speaker 1: It could be a situation like that, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's because that traps the moisture from the Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's an idea too, that he was packaging his
Speaker 1: bread differently, which was causing it to mold. Could be
Speaker 1: all right, Well, so that's it. I mean, the air
Speaker 1: got theory is one of the prevalent theories out there.
Speaker 1: There's some other ones that are kind of interesting. Well,
Speaker 1: but here's here's the one thing about the air got
Speaker 1: that I have an issue with is that how, if
Speaker 1: indeed it came from the source that he gets his
Speaker 1: flower or his grain from, how is it he's the
Speaker 1: only one that got it? That is the problem with that.
Speaker 1: I think that again my thoughts, my thoughts on it,
Speaker 1: or that probably just you share a lot coming to
Speaker 1: Probably the fungus started growing in some grain in a
Speaker 1: small mass and a small mass, and it hadn't had
Speaker 1: time to really spread out a lot. It got ground
Speaker 1: up and probably wind up in one bag of flower
Speaker 1: that went to his place. If this is what's happening,
Speaker 1: I could see that happening. Have you ever seen how
Speaker 1: flowers made? I mean, they grind that stuff up and
Speaker 1: it gets stirred up. The chances of it, I guess
Speaker 1: what I'm getting at is the chances of it that
Speaker 1: that little mass of it staying together once it was
Speaker 1: ground into flower. He's pretty small. Yeah, But again we're
Speaker 1: assuming that it came to him as flower, and it
Speaker 1: came to him from a large enough supplier that they
Speaker 1: were spins, which we don't know either of those things.
Speaker 1: There's so many things we don't know. I'm going to
Speaker 1: stop complaining about a thing, all right, Let's move on
Speaker 1: to another theory. It has been proposed that this pot
Speaker 1: of might have been some sort of contamination or maybe
Speaker 1: even intentional poisoning of the water supply. And I'm not
Speaker 1: going to spend a lot of time on this one
Speaker 1: because it actually is, in terms of actual percentages, not
Speaker 1: that many people were really affected with insanity, and I
Speaker 1: think something like six or seven percent. And it's hard
Speaker 1: to say because I don't have a totally clear number
Speaker 1: of exactly how many people were affected, and I also
Speaker 1: don't know precisely what the population of the town was
Speaker 1: in those days. I can say the other thing we
Speaker 1: don't know is where in the town the people who
Speaker 1: were affected lived. Were they clustered in one neighborhood or
Speaker 1: were they randomly spread about. I'm assuming they were all
Speaker 1: like fairly clustered around to run that one bakery, probably
Speaker 1: reasonably close because I'm sure the village had more than
Speaker 1: one bakery, and you probably went to the one that
Speaker 1: was closest to although this guy apparently apparently had a
Speaker 1: reputation as the best baker in town. Yea, so he
Speaker 1: might have got it. There might have been people coming
Speaker 1: form all over and it's not really a huge town,
Speaker 1: so it's not that hard to bicycle over to his bakery.
Speaker 1: And it's true because when it was ten thousand people, yeah,
Speaker 1: five thousand people, yes, not that huge, not not really,
Speaker 1: I mean I could see maybe he was the only baker, right,
Speaker 1: I really really doubt it. I'd be surprised. I would
Speaker 1: be surprised too. Yeah. But anyway, the contamination of the
Speaker 1: water supply, that would have affected a lot more people
Speaker 1: than what my estimation of six or seven percent of
Speaker 1: the population were affected. So I think it would have
Speaker 1: affected everybody except for the town alcoholic who only drank wine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I think we can rule that one out.
Speaker 1: What do you guys think? I'm okay? All right? Another
Speaker 1: theory that's been proposed is mercury poisoning. This would apparently
Speaker 1: be there caused by this thing, this product called Panagen,
Speaker 1: which was a cleansing agent that was used in weak containers.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're using it anymore, but apparently
Speaker 1: it's mercury based. Probably not using it anymore, Yeah, probably not.
Speaker 1: As soon as you said that, yeah, probably nixed that.
Speaker 1: Probably not. And And actually, you know, mercury poison poisoning
Speaker 1: that the symptoms of it, I've looked it up and
Speaker 1: then they were actually very consistent with most of the
Speaker 1: medical symptoms that people experience. It causes a lot of cramping, apping,
Speaker 1: and you know, chills and hypertension, you know, and a
Speaker 1: hypernailchycardia and all kinds of stuff and so of sweating,
Speaker 1: a lot of sweating and excessive salivating and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: All these are all things that people were experiencing. But
Speaker 1: mercury poisoning does not include hallucinations total craziness. So I
Speaker 1: don't know what to say. There's still people that are
Speaker 1: kind of putting this theory out there, but at least
Speaker 1: I have never in my admittedly brief research and mercury poisoning,
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything about hallucinations or psychotic behavior or anything. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: that's that's not something that you hear about, so I
Speaker 1: could see why. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 1: willing to be on board with mercury poisoning just because
Speaker 1: of that. Okay, these series are just too thin. Uh.
Speaker 1: Another theory is that Briand of the Baker uh might
Speaker 1: have actually done something a little bit illicit which caused
Speaker 1: us to happen. So inadvertently, Yeah, inadvertently, of course, but
Speaker 1: but from all accounts, he took great pride in the
Speaker 1: whiteness of his bread and apparently back in the day.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's still the case now, but
Speaker 1: in those days of French like their bread as white
Speaker 1: as it could possibly be. Yeah, yeah, seriously, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've been there lately that they still like
Speaker 1: it white. No, I haven't been there in like thirteen years,
Speaker 1: but when we were there, yeah, they liked it white.
Speaker 1: I have a friend who just went, and I mean,
Speaker 1: they seem they like their crusty bread, though I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. They were yelling at me. I
Speaker 1: had no idea what they're saying, what their bread was
Speaker 1: yelling like there like white, my bread is about the
Speaker 1: past I'm like, why are they so angry? You weren't angry.
Speaker 1: They were just bragging about their white bread. They're just
Speaker 1: really proud. Yeah. Well yeah, so could it be that
Speaker 1: the baker used some chemicals to bleach his flour and
Speaker 1: accidentally sort of poisoned everybody. The series was put put
Speaker 1: out by a guy named Stephen Kaplan who published a
Speaker 1: book in two thousand and eight, and it's not devoted entirely.
Speaker 1: It's apparently like a thousand page book. I haven't read it,
Speaker 1: but I've read some reviews and summations of it and stuff,
Speaker 1: and it's about a lot more than than just poncent espre.
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot about that that era in France.
Speaker 1: And but yeah, that's some stuff in there. And he
Speaker 1: argues in the book that somebody, perhaps a certain baker,
Speaker 1: using nitrogen trichloride to bleach his flower and doesn't have
Speaker 1: other than that as a theory, doesn't really provide any
Speaker 1: evidence to speak of the no no no spoken gun
Speaker 1: no no discarded bottles of nitrogen trichloride or anything like that.
Speaker 1: But it was actually used commonly to bleach flower, but
Speaker 1: way back in the day um And apparently, according to Wikipedia,
Speaker 1: it was banned for that use in nine um, although
Speaker 1: the page contradicts itself and says in the next sentence
Speaker 1: that it was banned in nineteen seven internationally banned, banned
Speaker 1: in France. That's a good question. I don't know, banned
Speaker 1: in the small southern county of France. Why this is
Speaker 1: why we use Wikipedia for the very general overusing them
Speaker 1: dig in and it I mean I tried to dig
Speaker 1: in and I couldn't find anything that I'm guessing that
Speaker 1: they're citing multiple sources. And that's the problem is that
Speaker 1: there the location, what's making the discrepancy. Yeah, you can't
Speaker 1: tell you obviously, you can't really ban anything worldwide, just
Speaker 1: doesn't can't really be done now. Um, but it's it
Speaker 1: sounds like it was if it had fallen from favor,
Speaker 1: apparently kind of dangerous. It turns out the problem that
Speaker 1: I have with this theory is that it was commonly
Speaker 1: used prior to when it was banned for bleaching flower,
Speaker 1: and so if this caused that kind of outbreak of insanity,
Speaker 1: then that wouldn't that would have We would have had
Speaker 1: lots and lots of instances of this kind of mass
Speaker 1: outbreak of insanity prior to ninety nine or wherever it
Speaker 1: was banned, Right, unless he was over bleaching his flower, well,
Speaker 1: it might be. It might be that he wasn't actually
Speaker 1: doing it quite correctly and maybe he used too much, Right,
Speaker 1: that's why he had the whitest bread. Everyone else was like,
Speaker 1: how's he getting this bread so white? Without killing people? Oh?
Speaker 1: Killed somebody? Yeah? Okay, yeah. So but anyway, I'm not
Speaker 1: really liking this series because I really do think that
Speaker 1: there would have been at least some instances as it's
Speaker 1: happening in other places. Yeah, you would think that this
Speaker 1: would not be an isolated event. Yeah, yeah, but so
Speaker 1: it's possible, but I don't think so. Um, he actually
Speaker 1: died broke and kind of an outcast. Apparently a lot
Speaker 1: of people were suspicious of them, even though I think
Speaker 1: it's it appears that he was probably innocent of any wrongdoing.
Speaker 1: But unfortunately for him, you know, obviously it's not just
Speaker 1: not good for business. Dude, and they all get sick, Well,
Speaker 1: that's going to kill your business. Yeah, what's the burrito
Speaker 1: place that's having all the trouble? Oh yeah, okay, and
Speaker 1: they're not really having trouble anymore though. Well, but there
Speaker 1: was a huge backlash and for a while because they
Speaker 1: had to come in and get your free burrito because
Speaker 1: we're sorry, we got you sick, and your free burrito
Speaker 1: got you sick. There's just there's things. Is it just
Speaker 1: people don't forgive. There's people who will never go back
Speaker 1: to that joint. I'm one now, Yeah, I know, but
Speaker 1: you know that the thing is the coolie outbreaks like
Speaker 1: that they take place all over the place. I know.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm sure, I'm sure these guys are being
Speaker 1: extract or careful. Oh yeah, they were completely you know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't I don't think that was their fault. It's
Speaker 1: not like they were saying that their burritos got better
Speaker 1: diesel mileage than it actually did relying to the public.
Speaker 1: That's a different company. Yeah, that's a good point. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know what company you're possibly talking about,
Speaker 1: but yeah, well so anyway, saying nitrogen track chloride, I
Speaker 1: think we can knock out of the theory. I would say, yes, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that comes to you get another theory, which is it
Speaker 1: was the CIA. Yeah, and their theories out there about
Speaker 1: this MK ultra. I'm sure you guys have heard of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and n LSD and there wasn't there There wasn't indeed
Speaker 1: an mk Ultra program that began in the nineteen fifties
Speaker 1: and it did exist in reality. It's like, it's not
Speaker 1: just a conspiracy theory. Mean, a lot of people have
Speaker 1: run with it, so it's like, you know, not quite
Speaker 1: as incredibly insanely conspiratorial as a lot of people make
Speaker 1: it out to me. But they did did some interesting stuff,
Speaker 1: probably sounded it a little bit unethical. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: it's by interesting to you mean un uh God, I
Speaker 1: can't even think of the word where nobody was on
Speaker 1: board with it. They didn't know they were unwilling participants,
Speaker 1: and yeah, they unwittingly and the people were unwittingly being
Speaker 1: poisoned or drugged up and things like that. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess that was a little shady um. But there
Speaker 1: was a guy named there's a guy named Hank albert Elli,
Speaker 1: and you can see interview footage of interviews up on
Speaker 1: the internet if you want to, if you want to
Speaker 1: do a little google his name, and he published a
Speaker 1: book in two thousand nine claiming that the sea. Alternatively,
Speaker 1: I've heard that he claims that they used aerosol spraying
Speaker 1: of LSD over the village as an experiment, or or
Speaker 1: he poisoned. He actually poisoned the bread coming out of
Speaker 1: this guy's bakery and his is there. He did a
Speaker 1: lot of research. He claims to have found all sorts
Speaker 1: of secret documents that make reference to this, and he
Speaker 1: he did a lot of he was doing a lot
Speaker 1: of research into the death of Frank Olsen, who some
Speaker 1: of you might have heard about. I think he's somewhere
Speaker 1: on our list of whole mysteries that we haven't actually jumped. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then he doesn't ring a Bell. But yeah, he was
Speaker 1: a biochemist that worked with the Special Operations Division or
Speaker 1: s o D. And he jumped out of the thirteenth
Speaker 1: floor of a hotel in New York City in nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty three. And there's a theory out there that he
Speaker 1: was actually thrown out that window, yeah, or maybe he
Speaker 1: just jumped out of Now. Albaretti was looking into the
Speaker 1: death of Frank Olson when he came across some references
Speaker 1: to Saint sant A Spree and uh, and so he
Speaker 1: made sort of made that connection. Apparently it is his
Speaker 1: belief that Frank Olsen was was working with s o
Speaker 1: D and that he was part of the operation that
Speaker 1: poisoned the people of the town. You know, that's his car,
Speaker 1: you know what was there actually an operation? Well we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that. But apparently his this theory is is
Speaker 1: that Frank Olsen was murdered because he was actually become
Speaker 1: disillusioned and wanted to go public or at least had
Speaker 1: been been a little too loose lipped about the whole thing,
Speaker 1: and he was seen as a security threat, so he
Speaker 1: was murdered. Yeah. Well, the thing that people cite to
Speaker 1: back this up a lot is that this company called
Speaker 1: sand As in Switzerland, Sands Chemical. Yeah, they are the
Speaker 1: ones who apparently sold LSD to the CIA for the
Speaker 1: mk Ultra project. And apparently they are also the ones
Speaker 1: who conducted the investigation in the town and said, oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's totally got huh. Yeah. I have heard that too,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I haven't seen anything to back
Speaker 1: that up. I haven't either, but I've seen that. I've
Speaker 1: seen that numerous places, but it all seems to emanate
Speaker 1: for one sorous, which is Hank Albertrelli. Yeah, so there's
Speaker 1: a couple of problems with this. There just a couple.
Speaker 1: Oh well, there's a couple of money. Yeah, let's start
Speaker 1: with the fact that I have never actually heard of
Speaker 1: anybody successfully making LSD into an aerosol spray. But do
Speaker 1: you know how you have how what has to happen
Speaker 1: for LSD to affect you. You have to ingest it.
Speaker 1: You can't get it on your skin as far as
Speaker 1: I understand, and and maybe these maybe crazy high dosages
Speaker 1: will do it. But from what I understand is that
Speaker 1: you have to ingest it. It breaks, It can break
Speaker 1: down relatively quickly in the sunlight. So think about it.
Speaker 1: It's August. It's probably warm, it's probably sunny. That's why
Speaker 1: there's always the stories of people who will have the
Speaker 1: blotterer paper that they'll they'll have out for a while,
Speaker 1: sitting in the sunshine, and then they'll they'll go to
Speaker 1: take their hits of acid and find out that it's
Speaker 1: no good anymore because it's broke down. I store my
Speaker 1: acid in the fridge. That's the only place to keep it.
Speaker 1: What's to say that that, um, they weren't aerosol canning it,
Speaker 1: that they were dosing his bread with it. Okay, keep
Speaker 1: their bread out of the sun, Okay, So I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that it's not has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with them directly treating the bread. I think
Speaker 1: that's assigning a higher level of conspiracy to the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Let's just say that they're flying over the town. They
Speaker 1: can't spray LSD. You have to ingest it if it
Speaker 1: touches your skin. Is at least the research that I did,
Speaker 1: It doesn't do anything. It's not strong enough to penetrate.
Speaker 1: Was this research sticking LSD on your skin and seeing
Speaker 1: what happened and not just hailing it through This drug
Speaker 1: is not one that I went ahead and tested. There's
Speaker 1: another one that we'll talk about, but this one, no, well,
Speaker 1: there was there was some experimentation with the idea of
Speaker 1: using LSD as a weapon, and the idea of being
Speaker 1: that there are certain chemicals. As far as I know,
Speaker 1: I can't there's there's one that I was. It doesn't
Speaker 1: come to mind right now, but if facilitates the absorption
Speaker 1: of a drug through your skin, so you mix that
Speaker 1: up with the LSD and then you drop like LSD
Speaker 1: bombs on the enemy, they explode and sad and spray
Speaker 1: to spray them down, and then all these enemy soldiers
Speaker 1: and you don't have to shoot him at all. You
Speaker 1: just walk in there and just and just haul him
Speaker 1: off to the prison camp or wherever you're gonna take it.
Speaker 1: Here's a flower, he filled out, here's a flower he
Speaker 1: felled out. Yeah, here's a word. He fell down. So,
Speaker 1: you know, it could have been. It could be that
Speaker 1: some sort of experimentation with chemicals mixed with LSD that
Speaker 1: would actually cause everybody to get high. But my my
Speaker 1: big problem with this as an experiment, whether they did
Speaker 1: that the RSL spraying, or if they actually deliberately tainted
Speaker 1: the bread, If they taint, they tainted the flower that
Speaker 1: was made into the bread. The LSD would not survive
Speaker 1: making process. Not no, it totally wouldn't. It would have
Speaker 1: to be applied posting process. So they unless the baker
Speaker 1: was actually conspiring with them, maybe they were putting it
Speaker 1: in the butter that he was giving out complimentary I
Speaker 1: like that idea. Yeah, here's your you know actually, you know, actually,
Speaker 1: when you think about it, this could actually totally be
Speaker 1: a case of contaminated butter. And then and the baker
Speaker 1: totally totally got a finger for this unfairly. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: it was contaminated butter, because do we have read without butter? Um? Sometimes,
Speaker 1: but it's usually like a sandwich French Actually, the French
Speaker 1: put butter on their sandwich is usually so Yeah, it
Speaker 1: could have could have been butter, could be, but it
Speaker 1: could have been something bad cow um. Yeah. The other
Speaker 1: thing I don't like about this is it was an
Speaker 1: experiment supposedly, and there they had this whole research program
Speaker 1: called them k Ultra and by the way, I'm kulture
Speaker 1: didn't actually begin or get funding until nineteen fifty three.
Speaker 1: There might might a better precursory program, some sort of predecessor.
Speaker 1: But the thing about it was is they did conduct
Speaker 1: a lot of experiments and with drugging people and seeing
Speaker 1: what they could do in terms of brainwashing them or
Speaker 1: controlling them and stuff like that. It didn't really in
Speaker 1: the end worked out. Eventually they just dropped it because
Speaker 1: you just couldn't get reliable results. But if you're doing
Speaker 1: experiments like this, the way experiments work is you have
Speaker 1: to control things. If you just put it in the
Speaker 1: bread and see what's happened, and and and some guy
Speaker 1: has a slice and another guy picks down half a loaf,
Speaker 1: well you you're not You're not controlling the dosage at all.
Speaker 1: And also, how are you going to observe the results?
Speaker 1: You know, a bunch of guys show up in this village,
Speaker 1: total strangers show up, and everybody's going nuts. By the way,
Speaker 1: and as these guys with clipboards taking notes, how it's
Speaker 1: supposed to work, Well, maybe it's I mean, maybe it's
Speaker 1: that they were the ones who came in and investigated,
Speaker 1: right or quote unquote investigated, and so they're doing all
Speaker 1: these questionings like okay, well how much did he have? Okay,
Speaker 1: so what were his symptoms? And that's a way to
Speaker 1: anecdotally collect evidence. Obviously it's not good evidence data collection.
Speaker 1: But I don't from what I understand about a lot
Speaker 1: of mk ultra's alleged things, not the actual i'm ka
Speaker 1: Ultra stuff, but the alleged mk ultra stuff, they didn't
Speaker 1: really care. I mean, it wasn't like scientific, we've got
Speaker 1: the test group and we've got the control group, and
Speaker 1: we really care about it. It was kind of like,
Speaker 1: I don't, let's see what happens. I don't. I really
Speaker 1: don't think it would happen that way because I don't
Speaker 1: think so either, because it's it's kind of useless information.
Speaker 1: If you don't have a control group and you haven't
Speaker 1: controlled the dosage is to see what is just gonna do,
Speaker 1: it's kind of useless. Yeah, you think, although, in in fairness,
Speaker 1: if you're testing it for well, if you're testing it
Speaker 1: for something similar to let's just drop a bomb, you
Speaker 1: don't really care what exact dosage. You care about the
Speaker 1: overall effect on the group that's affected, right, because if
Speaker 1: you're if you're going to use it as a weapon,
Speaker 1: it's not okay, and each single person is going to
Speaker 1: get exactly this dose. It's like, how does it affect
Speaker 1: these three hundred people that ingested it. Do they all
Speaker 1: go crazy? Do some of them go crazy? Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: they try to deploy it to you know, a thousand
Speaker 1: people and only those three hundred, So that would be
Speaker 1: valuable data as well, because you wouldn't it's not scientific
Speaker 1: the way that they're trying to deploy it. It's scientific,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's true to the science of them
Speaker 1: deploying in this kind of hypothetical we just dropped a bomb. Way.
Speaker 1: But here's the other problem that I have with it
Speaker 1: is that France was a NATO ally, Um, it would
Speaker 1: just seem more logical to go do this in a
Speaker 1: village in Mexico or something someplace that actually didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that would that would make a lot more
Speaker 1: sense to me, I agree, or even ally even a
Speaker 1: small town in the US. I mean, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: doing it in France. That's ridiculous. It just seems it
Speaker 1: just seems strange random that that was the location chosen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why. I mean, maybe there's something about it. I
Speaker 1: don't know. You've done with that theory. Yeah, Well, I
Speaker 1: I have a slightly different theory LSD. It is drug
Speaker 1: based but it's different than LST. So let's roll back
Speaker 1: here with a little bit of senseus data that I
Speaker 1: found in in France, the population was essentially atheists were religious.
Speaker 1: I couldn't really in my quick digging find the number
Speaker 1: that were Catholic. But let's just say I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: grab a number and say that the population is Catholic. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: of the town is Catholic. Well, this happened on the
Speaker 1: fift August. Do you know what happens on the fifteenth
Speaker 1: of August every year August? It's also observed is the
Speaker 1: assumption of Mary. The assumption of Mary is well, what
Speaker 1: I think is going on? So the assumption of Mary
Speaker 1: is it's it's an observation based on the belief that
Speaker 1: Mary was actually assumed into Heaven after she passed away,
Speaker 1: rather than left in the ground like the rest of us.
Speaker 1: Pleads um. And so what they do is they celebrate that.
Speaker 1: And there are there are feasts, and there are meals,
Speaker 1: and there are things like that. So we're gonna say
Speaker 1: that we've got a Catholic portion of the population taking
Speaker 1: part in that. The other thing that I looked at
Speaker 1: was I started trying to find what else has similar symptoms?
Speaker 1: And do you tell what has a very similar set
Speaker 1: of symptoms Magic mushrooms. Oh yeah, magic mushrooms cause stomach cramps.
Speaker 1: They cause intestinal cramps. They caused some crazy hallucinations in
Speaker 1: people who get enough of them. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say how I know this, but I do know that
Speaker 1: it does some terrible things to your maybe if you, oh, deed,
Speaker 1: I know if you ode that I have. Actually I'll
Speaker 1: admit it. I've done some shrooms. Yeah, I never but
Speaker 1: I never imagined. Of course, maybe I didn't take enough.
Speaker 1: I never imagined I was being eaten my snakes or
Speaker 1: I had red flowers sprouting out of my body. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I have known people who have taken a lot
Speaker 1: at one time and we're seriously fried. They were frying
Speaker 1: for a while, and they were having some of these
Speaker 1: same physical symptoms. And think about magic mushrooms. It's a poison.
Speaker 1: That's what your body does, that is trying to get
Speaker 1: rid of it. Like they they picked the wrong mushroom
Speaker 1: for some dish, and the group gets together and some
Speaker 1: people just like you were talking about with the bread,
Speaker 1: where it's one guy gets one a slice and the
Speaker 1: other guy wolves down half a loaf. Well, this could
Speaker 1: be that somebody made this giant batch of some dish
Speaker 1: and some people ate one and feel good, but they
Speaker 1: were all right, and then a couple of people just
Speaker 1: just wolfed it down and got massive amounts of a
Speaker 1: hallucinogenic mushroom which would set them off. And it's it's
Speaker 1: not like mushrooms come on immediately. Then there is a
Speaker 1: build up period before it starts to happen, and the
Speaker 1: peak is long, depending on how much somebody has taken.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at this and thinking, I actually think
Speaker 1: that this is not our God. I'm gonna actually want
Speaker 1: to clear it, but I think that this is more
Speaker 1: of a magic mushroom scenario, and maybe we're gonna say something.
Speaker 1: I was just going to mention if we're going to
Speaker 1: the religious Catholic ceremony route, Um, it's not unheard of.
Speaker 1: He got to grow in wine, It's true. Yeah, there's that.
Speaker 1: Or you were telling us earlier the wafers, So there's
Speaker 1: a So this is why this is why you were
Speaker 1: talking about earlier, Joe, when you were saying maybe the
Speaker 1: Bakers kind of getting a bad rap, And I accord
Speaker 1: with that, because there's just so many other ways that
Speaker 1: it could have happened besides this one thing. Oh yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: because probably when people were sitting out for eating their meals,
Speaker 1: they were probably eating other food, but they've gotten from
Speaker 1: other people in there and along with their bread, So
Speaker 1: you know, who knows. I mean, everybody pinpointed the baker,
Speaker 1: but it might not have been him at all. You
Speaker 1: might have had nothing to do with it. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: only thing I guess you would run into is in
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties feeding a hundred or three hundred people. Okay,
Speaker 1: but but think about it. If somebody goes out and
Speaker 1: they pick boatloads of mushrooms and they sell them all
Speaker 1: in a day at the market. Yeah, that's true. There
Speaker 1: and the bad ones are mixed in there, or as
Speaker 1: some people call them, the good ones are mixed in there,
Speaker 1: and they're randomly put into dishes for this celebration. It
Speaker 1: doesn't even have to be for the observation of the
Speaker 1: assumption of Mary. I just happened to find that correlated
Speaker 1: with the date. But it could be that somebody's went
Speaker 1: out and found this batch of I found, oh, the
Speaker 1: mother load of mushrooms. It's awesome. Everybody takes them and
Speaker 1: eats them and whoo, the party is started. I guess
Speaker 1: it doesn't even have to be magic. I mean, it
Speaker 1: could just be poisonous mushrooms, poisonous mushrooms some kind. It's
Speaker 1: something as long as it's got the capability of initiating thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there's all these mushrooms that look
Speaker 1: because I think magic mushrooms. The way they grow, it's
Speaker 1: pretty distinct. It would have to be pretty negligent to think, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: those are the good ones, or you know, inexperience or whatever. Maybe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: locally speaking, there's a little brand that grows around here
Speaker 1: that you find a cow pastor's surrounded the the output
Speaker 1: from the cow. Yeah, don't mean milk or butter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's not. But it's really easy to go into
Speaker 1: the forest and find a bunch of mushrooms and think, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: those look like the mushrooms that I get in the store.
Speaker 1: But hey, guess what if it's white and it's in
Speaker 1: the forest, don't pick that. That will kill you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people out there who you know,
Speaker 1: we're out there, and they suddenly like they went to
Speaker 1: sleep and they woke up in the hospital with a
Speaker 1: new liver. That's if you're lucky and they have to
Speaker 1: be a liver available otherwise well tfs yeah, yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't eat those shrooms. Ye, so point it's a
Speaker 1: good theory. There's a whole bunch of things that are
Speaker 1: naturally occurring that somebody could have picked up sold that market.
Speaker 1: But in general, we are agreeing that a fungus of
Speaker 1: some kind was ingested by people and probably so or Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. I think that's something. You know, whether it
Speaker 1: was it was probably an accidental fungus poisoning, I think
Speaker 1: so too. Yeah, the whole the whole CIA theory I
Speaker 1: think is silly. Yeah, it's it's absurd. Yeah, next band though,
Speaker 1: it's bunk accidental focused poisoning. It's good. Actually, the green
Speaker 1: name the podcast, yeah, that would really pigeonhold us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for the cooking show. Actually, oh yeah, we have a
Speaker 1: cooking show. Yeah, that's what it's going to be called,
Speaker 1: because that will draw the listeners in. Yeah, I think so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you know, third degree burns, it's oh, I
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