Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded June twenty second, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: I think it is very helping, very hard for people
Speaker 2: to do, but especially Californians, to admit if you're a
Speaker 2: bad driver. Oh yeah, why does everyone think that they're
Speaker 2: the best driver in the world, Like, I am a
Speaker 2: totally average, too bad driver. Like and it took me
Speaker 2: a long time to come to terms with this, Like
Speaker 2: when I was a teenager or in my twenties, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah, I'm amazing, you know, just good.
Speaker 2: And then it's like, no, man, I like I beckon
Speaker 2: to crap all the time. It's a serious Do you
Speaker 2: not have a camera?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: Of course I do? Now, so now okay, so yeah,
Speaker 2: basically says I have a backup air. But I recently
Speaker 2: hit a car out in front of my son's school.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's always parking. It'scept for like a real accident.
Speaker 2: It's always like when I'm not paying attention this car
Speaker 2: my wife in my wife's car, which is just the worst.
Speaker 2: And her instant reaction, which is fair but you know,
Speaker 2: not very supportive, is like, you know, it's not like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you hit that car.
Speaker 4: Oh writer, it was god German.
Speaker 2: Writer just right there.
Speaker 3: That would be my reaction to that would not.
Speaker 2: Only did I scrape the front I crunch, but then
Speaker 2: to pull out of the situation.
Speaker 5: It's just did the double along the car double crunch.
Speaker 2: But I gotta leave a note out it's my son's principle.
Speaker 3: No, No, you crashed into.
Speaker 2: Oh couldn't have been a better person. I love my
Speaker 2: son's principle. He's like the nicest guy in the world.
Speaker 2: So like, basically, if anybody at the school, like, you know,
Speaker 2: I just had visions of some horribly angry parent or
Speaker 2: my son's bully, you know, like I could have gone
Speaker 2: a million.
Speaker 3: Son of a bully.
Speaker 1: No, I don't good because I honestly I will go
Speaker 1: kick that kid's ass.
Speaker 2: She would, I would.
Speaker 1: I'm looking to kick someone's ass. That sounds great, It's
Speaker 1: funny you say that. I also am a second. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fine. I'm fine with that. No, obviously not. I
Speaker 1: would never kick anybody's ass. H.
Speaker 2: But can you admit where you are as a driver? Like,
Speaker 2: can have you come?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm terrible because I am way too aggressive.
Speaker 3: I drive too fast, too close, And.
Speaker 5: I agree with everything she's saying right now. For her
Speaker 5: I've now been since daniel and I have lived together,
Speaker 5: lived near each other, lives in my bass.
Speaker 2: Little tea, a little bit of tea. That's when I uh.
Speaker 5: I've started to drive with Danielle a lot more because
Speaker 5: she usually carpools. She we carpool. She's the driver. And
Speaker 5: you're not a bad driver. You are just you do
Speaker 5: you are? You are like you said, you're an aggressive driver.
Speaker 3: Everyone out of my freaking way. Get out of my way.
Speaker 5: You're not a bat. You're technically not a bad I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't technically be a professional race car driver, like.
Speaker 2: You have good control of the via good control of
Speaker 2: the V.
Speaker 1: They probably have great measures, like I know exactly what
Speaker 1: the measurements of driver really. I haven't mind any foenies lately.
Speaker 1: Why are my favorite?
Speaker 5: Oh my god?
Speaker 2: Because because you're the person who thinks that that the
Speaker 2: road belongs to them, correct, and that they have the right,
Speaker 2: they have the right to be aggressive, and all these
Speaker 2: idiotic drivers being safe and slow and follow what are
Speaker 2: you doing? Yes, that's the problem, You're the problem. Yes,
Speaker 2: I remember? Do you remember when you first disagree with
Speaker 2: an s u V and you hydro planed on the
Speaker 2: way to work.
Speaker 1: No, I don't remember that horrible car accident where I
Speaker 1: spun out in the center of the freeway with my car.
Speaker 2: Like you got a Forerunner, you have a you have
Speaker 2: four wheel.
Speaker 3: Never Rider.
Speaker 1: It was El Nino and imbrastling.
Speaker 5: Danielle when we all hung out at Ryder's house up
Speaker 5: on one day and driveway and you drove off the drive.
Speaker 1: Off that driveway was a literal nightmare driver. Okay, So
Speaker 1: Rider had us all over to his house. What year
Speaker 1: was this.
Speaker 3: I wasn't between two.
Speaker 2: Thousand and five and two thousand and nine. That's when
Speaker 2: I was looking canyon.
Speaker 1: Okay, so upwards of fifteen plus years ago. And Rider
Speaker 1: had this super steep, curved driveway.
Speaker 2: Always it was like a sand no matter where you like,
Speaker 2: war right up and then an immediate act your.
Speaker 5: New Rider was going to buy a house if there
Speaker 5: was no parking or horrible parkings, like I'll take it, I'll.
Speaker 3: Take it, that's the one I want.
Speaker 1: It was one of those driveways when you're you're driving
Speaker 1: up you can't see where you're going because the car
Speaker 1: is so steep you can't see anything, so reversing down
Speaker 1: it was also just terrible and I in the slow
Speaker 1: reverse of it. I turned the wheel too soon and
Speaker 1: w one of my one of the wheels was now
Speaker 1: dangling off a cliff over the curve.
Speaker 2: It like looks over the edge of the curve and
Speaker 2: a truck.
Speaker 1: Nothing could be done. I was like, this is truly terrible.
Speaker 5: Well, I live here now. I live here now with Rider.
Speaker 5: That's what you say.
Speaker 1: I had to wait for the triple A and off
Speaker 1: it up and yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: It was just I was like, why do we let
Speaker 3: Rider host the get together?
Speaker 5: Seriously? Exactly we need? We need. That's what one of
Speaker 5: the things I'll tell you I asked for when I
Speaker 5: bought my house.
Speaker 2: I needed parking.
Speaker 1: Writer was the Writer was the most organized and the
Speaker 1: most on top of making sure we got together. So
Speaker 1: that's why they were always at Writer's house because Writer
Speaker 1: was the person who thankfully got us all together.
Speaker 5: The Writer was the adult. By the way, I'm a
Speaker 5: phenomenal driver. For the record, are you yeah?
Speaker 2: I actually believe that he never drives. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5: I drive well again, I so we Driving was very
Speaker 5: important in my family. So I started to learn how
Speaker 5: to drive when I was like.
Speaker 1: Twelve, right two years after you started smoking pretty much.
Speaker 5: I had my cigarette and my car.
Speaker 2: It was a Connecticut car, so you had to there
Speaker 2: was no engine, was.
Speaker 5: Exactly, it's a horse drawn car. No. My father what Famously,
Speaker 5: when when I got my license and knew I was
Speaker 5: going to have to start driving myself into New York
Speaker 5: City for auditions, drove my stant. He drove down in
Speaker 5: my Selica, which I still have. My first car is
Speaker 5: still have my Toyota Celica. And he drove to the
Speaker 5: middle of the city and put the car in neutral,
Speaker 5: got out of the car, put me in the driver's seat,
Speaker 5: and said, all right, you're driving in New York. If
Speaker 5: you can drive here, you can drive anywhere. And we
Speaker 5: drove around New York for like four hours, and by
Speaker 5: that point then he was right, I could drive anywhere.
Speaker 2: My dad did the exact same thing. He picked me
Speaker 2: up in a stick shift at school. It was like
Speaker 2: at my school where I had to walk like a
Speaker 2: mile to get too picked up. And then I got
Speaker 2: picked up now both and he was just there and
Speaker 2: he was and we had somewhere to go, like forty
Speaker 2: five minutes away, and he's like, I'm like, I can't
Speaker 2: drive stick shift he's like, hey, okay, figure it out.
Speaker 4: YEP, I just did.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, I ever had a problem.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I got my first motorcycle when I was ten, so
Speaker 5: that I mean I started with kind of shifting when
Speaker 5: you when I was ten and I rode a bike
Speaker 5: from ten to what do your name?
Speaker 3: You got your first motorcycle and you get a.
Speaker 5: Mini bike like I got. I got a Z fifty
Speaker 5: dirt bike, and then when I was eleven it went
Speaker 5: to to an XR eighty, and then I went up
Speaker 5: to an XR one hundred. My friends we all you know,
Speaker 5: like Johnny and Karate Kid. We we were. We were
Speaker 5: them without the coolness and or martial arts.
Speaker 3: Che I just thought you were like fast and the
Speaker 3: furious is that you.
Speaker 5: No, I was more slow and delibertous. It was, yeah,
Speaker 5: it was. It was not exactly but no. But driving
Speaker 5: my you know, my dad loves cars and all. Also
Speaker 5: driving was hugely important in my family. So we were
Speaker 5: we were taught to and driving you have to drive
Speaker 5: a stick shift through else you're just steering. So it's
Speaker 5: that was we had to know how to drive anything
Speaker 5: you could get your hands on. It's like you have
Speaker 5: to know how to drive immediately. I'm amazed he didn't
Speaker 5: make us learn how to fly, just because that's how
Speaker 5: we were in our family, where it's like you got
Speaker 5: to learn how to operate this vehicle.
Speaker 2: Like Okay, do you guys remember, uh, well you probably
Speaker 2: my manager when I was a teenager. Yeah, I was
Speaker 2: thinking about these this bad driver situation, and the memory
Speaker 2: came back to me, which was she was a horrible driver,
Speaker 2: like the most terrified. Now a horrible driver in exactly
Speaker 2: the way Danielle is a horrible driver, but like to
Speaker 2: an extreme that I imagine Danielle was not. Like he would
Speaker 2: weave in and out of traffic, like do like crazy
Speaker 2: last minute turns, constantly, have all these like insane And
Speaker 2: I remember being eleven years old getting in the car
Speaker 2: with him and another kid who was one of his clients,
Speaker 2: and the other kid being like, you know, you know, uh,
Speaker 2: mister Toad's wild Ride at Disneyland. That's what it's like
Speaker 2: driving in the car with him, and he was like
Speaker 2: proud of the fact that he was this insane. And
Speaker 2: I think about that now and I'm like, if if
Speaker 2: I handed my kid over to a manager to drive
Speaker 2: him around Los Angeles all the time. I mean I
Speaker 2: drove with this guy all the time, every day to auditions.
Speaker 2: I would spend weeks in la just with him without
Speaker 2: my parents. Like I would be so pissed if a
Speaker 2: person drove Indy like this. And yet at the time,
Speaker 2: I thought we were the coolest car on the road,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I looked at him, It's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're willing to drive fast and cool and all these
Speaker 2: other drivers are losers following the rules and the speed limits,
Speaker 2: and you, my manager, are getting me everywhere. And like
Speaker 2: if there's not a better like metaphor for the dangers
Speaker 2: of child actor or the trust that you put in
Speaker 2: adults around you when you were a kid, Like I
Speaker 2: just thought like this guy and like now like I'm
Speaker 2: genuinely angry at this person, Like I want to write
Speaker 2: him a letter and be like, dude, what the hell
Speaker 2: were you thinking? Like, yes, you we never got into
Speaker 2: an accident, but we were so lucky and like what
Speaker 2: and I what are the Like that is just infuriating
Speaker 2: to me. And my parents were just like yeh, you know,
Speaker 2: and I probably told him like he's a crazy driver,
Speaker 2: and my parents are look me, you know.
Speaker 3: What are we gonna do.
Speaker 5: Danielle, you are You are not that bad a driver,
Speaker 5: you really are.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 5: I think you are aggressive, but you're not that big.
Speaker 3: That's of course I U I stop, it stops.
Speaker 1: I I but like the rules of the road, obey
Speaker 1: the rules of the road.
Speaker 3: I just do it. Yeah, I do it quickly.
Speaker 1: And I think the following too close is something I
Speaker 1: have done since I learned how to drive. And I
Speaker 1: don't understand that when you are the appropriate distance away,
Speaker 1: that to me, that just feels like people should be
Speaker 1: mad at me, even though because I just I don't
Speaker 1: realize that I'm as on top of people as I am.
Speaker 1: So Yeah, and I remember what the appropriate distance is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: three car links. Well, depending on how must you're going.
Speaker 3: If you're every ten.
Speaker 5: Miles, you let a car pass a stationary object, and
Speaker 5: then you count one Mississippi two Mississippian by two, you
Speaker 5: can pass that same object. I think that's how it is.
Speaker 1: I'd be like a point four. Yeah, it'd be like
Speaker 1: we crossed at the time. It's like it's like they're
Speaker 1: towing me.
Speaker 5: I'm drafting. I'm drafting the car ahead of me. I
Speaker 5: want the wind resistance.
Speaker 2: Welcome to podmeets World.
Speaker 5: I'm Daniel Fischel, I'm Rider Strong, and I'm Wilfride.
Speaker 1: So when anyone from an entire generation sees a nineteen
Speaker 1: nineties large gray brick cell phone, the technology that kicked
Speaker 1: off an entire phenomenon, they only call it one thing,
Speaker 1: a Zach Morris phone, and we have our guest to
Speaker 1: think for that. He's an unforgettable pop culture Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer who played the precocious Bayside High student for eighty
Speaker 1: six episodes, a college spinoff, two movies, and a twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen NBC reboot. You may also know him from four
Speaker 1: seasons of Franklin and Bash. He was Bash for those
Speaker 1: keeping Score at Home, almost ninety episodes of NYPD Blue,
Speaker 1: or from Mixed Dish, or even his recent cameo on
Speaker 1: one of the only shows I like watching on TV, Barry.
Speaker 1: This year, he was also seen on Will Trent, a
Speaker 1: show that has been renewed for season two. And also
Speaker 1: he has truly never stopped working ever. We are honored
Speaker 1: to welcome the star of Save by the Bell, the
Speaker 1: show Jensen, producer husband of this podcast calls his boy
Speaker 1: Meets World. It's Mark Paul Gossler. Well, we were all
Speaker 1: recently at a convention together and you were so lovely.
Speaker 1: We spent a lot. I spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: with you talking sports. We were you're a big sports guy.
Speaker 1: Uh please answer this honestly. Do you know anything about
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World at all? Did you were you? Did
Speaker 1: you know maybe who we were? Did you think we worked.
Speaker 4: At the con Listen? Is nothing against you, guys. I
Speaker 4: didn't even know about say by the Bell. I mean,
Speaker 4: if if it wasn't for the reruns, I don't think
Speaker 4: we'd be talking uh now, because yeah, when we did
Speaker 4: our show, I felt like it was in a vacuum. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know you we didn't have the Internet. The only
Speaker 4: way that we knew we were successful. We would do
Speaker 4: these like appearances in malls, or we would go do
Speaker 4: a car show. You know, Comic cons weren't around, so
Speaker 4: you didn't you didn't get to meet any fans that way.
Speaker 4: But we really we really operated in our own little bubble.
Speaker 4: Because I don't know about you guys. But after our seasons,
Speaker 4: and there were multiple seasons, like if you add up
Speaker 4: all the episodes, we did one hundred episodes, but over
Speaker 4: the course of four years. But we do thirteen here
Speaker 4: and maybe ten there. And I never had these full
Speaker 4: seasons of like twenty two because we were a Saturday
Speaker 4: morning show and I think it was just an experiment
Speaker 4: for NBC. But after we were done, we'd go back
Speaker 4: to our schools. I was in a public school at
Speaker 4: the time, so it was the rest of the cast,
Speaker 4: and no one really cared. I mean, people just thought like, oh,
Speaker 4: he's just an actor. Nobody watched the show. Nobody was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I saw you on that show, because at least my
Speaker 4: show at that time, it was it wasn't the cool
Speaker 4: show to watch, Like, if you were cool, you were
Speaker 4: watching nine o two and oh yeah, right right. But
Speaker 4: our show, you know, we dealt with you know, caffeine pills.
Speaker 4: Don't get hooked on caffeine pills. Meanwhile, on nine o
Speaker 4: two and oh, they were probably doing like Heroin, you know,
Speaker 4: and that. Yeah, they were doing the cool stuff. And
Speaker 4: so you know, I lived in normal existence as a child,
Speaker 4: which was kind of cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Same.
Speaker 1: I had a very very similar experience, went to public school.
Speaker 1: Every week we had off. I was back in that
Speaker 1: public school. Nobody really cared, and we've all talked about it.
Speaker 1: We felt like Ultimately, we felt like we were doing
Speaker 1: a show kind of for our grandparents because they would
Speaker 1: come to the live studio audience taping, so we know
Speaker 1: they were watching it.
Speaker 3: But outside of that, it wasn't really to.
Speaker 2: A divide within our culture that I don't think is
Speaker 2: there anymore between youth and grown up culture though too,
Speaker 2: Like back then, like anything around kids, like even when
Speaker 2: you think about it, like remember when boy bands, like
Speaker 2: there was a way in which people were underestimating their value,
Speaker 2: like yes, cause teenagers would love Backstreet and saying, but
Speaker 2: like nobody realiz like, well that's those teenagers get older
Speaker 2: and those are going to be the bands that they
Speaker 2: listened to in their twenties. But it was not. It
Speaker 2: was just like it was like a separate culture.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like if somebod was for kids, it wasn't to
Speaker 2: be taken seriously. It wasn't a moneymaker. It wasn't cool.
Speaker 2: And I think that's changed. I mean I'm assuming like
Speaker 2: now it's like, well I'm now adults just love kids stuff.
Speaker 5: You know how many twenty five and thirty year olds
Speaker 5: were listening to en Sync and Backstreet Boys with their
Speaker 5: windows rolled up, trying not to really along, like they
Speaker 5: didn't want anybody to know that they were singing along
Speaker 5: with the music that was happening all the time too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yea, I think I believe that was happening with
Speaker 4: our shows as well. I mean there was nobody nobody
Speaker 4: would would say that they you know, admit that they
Speaker 4: watched Save by the Bell. Yeah, that was a Saturday
Speaker 4: morning show. And now it's like a lot of athletes
Speaker 4: and we go back to this, the sports talk is
Speaker 4: that a lot of athletes will say, when we're on
Speaker 4: the road, that's all we watched. That's all we that.
Speaker 4: That was sort of like our familiarity, like our goodness
Speaker 4: back to home of what we watch back home. But yeah,
Speaker 4: it also you you talk about like the kids things.
Speaker 4: But I felt like we had to stay in our lane.
Speaker 4: That's how, at least how I felt like. If you
Speaker 4: were an actor and you did TV, you stayed doing TV. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and you didn't dare like nowadays. I mean, these kids,
Speaker 4: these kids, I sound like an old man.
Speaker 2: No, these young.
Speaker 4: But it's true. The current generation, the current generation, I feel,
Speaker 4: and rightly so gets to do so much more. And
Speaker 4: good for them because I I I look back and
Speaker 4: That's probably one of the biggest regrets is that I
Speaker 4: didn't ask to do more. Like I was a bit
Speaker 4: complacent in my career early on. I'm saying like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm going to stay an actor. You don't you don't
Speaker 4: do commercials, you don't do branding, you don't sing, you know,
Speaker 4: and you definitely didn't do movies because you were a
Speaker 4: young television actor. So it was like you didn't cross
Speaker 4: that line.
Speaker 5: But yeah, we had that same kind of thing because
Speaker 5: when you were a Friday night show on TGIF, you
Speaker 5: also weren't like we weren't. We were primetime, but we
Speaker 5: weren't primetime. It was like a whole different thing where
Speaker 5: you're on a kid's lineup and it's TGF. We were
Speaker 5: not a Tuesday. It's like we talked to Jody Sweeten
Speaker 5: and and uh Andrew Barber about how when they moved
Speaker 5: to Tuesday, they were like, well, we're a real show now,
Speaker 5: like we're getting we're leaving the Friday night lineup. We
Speaker 5: all had that thing we were we were on a
Speaker 5: kid's show, and it just we were we were put
Speaker 5: in that kind of box all the time, which was
Speaker 5: which was so strange. Yeah, yeah, because now we're the ones.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, but there's a lot of those Tuesday night
Speaker 5: shows where people don't care about them. When you go
Speaker 5: to the cons and it's the you know, Saved by
Speaker 5: the Bell, Boy Meets World. These are the shows that
Speaker 5: the fans are still loving to this day, and they
Speaker 5: don't remember what they were watching Tuesday night.
Speaker 2: They have no idea.
Speaker 5: So it's so strange.
Speaker 2: Mark, have you ever been recognized for Boy Meets World?
Speaker 2: As anybody ever thought? Because I get recognized for I've
Speaker 2: never on it, but people are like, you know, it's
Speaker 2: like they could use shaken.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you ever get mistaken?
Speaker 2: It was like, oh that show with the kids in
Speaker 2: high school, and like multiple times I just and I'm
Speaker 2: always so happy because I could just say, nope, not me.
Speaker 4: Don't know what you're talking about. I do what I
Speaker 4: don't get. I think if I think back, maybe somebody
Speaker 4: has said to me, you know, like, hey, where's the
Speaker 4: panga right, you know, and I'm like, wrong show.
Speaker 5: She's on a different show, and she's which.
Speaker 4: In itself is a whole another thing like when they
Speaker 4: say hey, where's Kelly, it's like, uh, you know, the
Speaker 4: inappropriate things in my head that are going through when
Speaker 4: somebody says that I have to go no, no, no no,
Speaker 4: and then come out with, well, she's probably with her family,
Speaker 4: you know, right and super appropriate nice.
Speaker 5: It's like the terminator going through different possible responses before
Speaker 5: you actually get.
Speaker 1: I used to say, until I realized it probably sounded bad.
Speaker 1: I used to say, it wasn't my day to watch him,
Speaker 1: Like I said, Where's gory? Wasn't my day to watch him?
Speaker 1: I knew make a joke.
Speaker 2: Out of it.
Speaker 3: I always just because yeah, I just always respond with that.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, does that sound like somebody
Speaker 1: that Ben needs a babysitter? Like it's not actually on Ben,
Speaker 1: it's more so anyway, there's really no right way to
Speaker 1: answer that question.
Speaker 4: I mean I will deliberately, like if I'm texting with
Speaker 4: my friends and they'll say something I don't know in
Speaker 4: the and we're just joking around, I'll basically threw out
Speaker 4: a meme of James Vanderbeek and basically say it's me,
Speaker 4: you know, like I think that's the closest. Like people
Speaker 4: like the three name thing to James James, like even
Speaker 4: though it's it's not and we're kind of Dutch and
Speaker 4: the whole thing, and we have big foreheads and you
Speaker 4: know it's like like, oh, it's it's that guy.
Speaker 1: And so right, yeah, we all we all get lumped
Speaker 1: together in some in some way, it's just white.
Speaker 4: We're white. We all look alike.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is true.
Speaker 5: Well, I always get right, I get that all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you're the best. Yeah you're what's it like being Corey's
Speaker 5: best friend. I'm always like, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Ask writer. Yeah, people have made like in jokes they're
Speaker 2: like sneak attack or like things, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't think that was me.
Speaker 5: Maybe that will Yeah.
Speaker 4: Do you guys remember do you guys remember like scenarios
Speaker 4: and and like do you remember things for the show?
Speaker 3: Writer and I do not. Will remembers a lot, but.
Speaker 5: We old creepy memory. You not.
Speaker 1: But yet there are a lot of episodes where you
Speaker 1: have no memory of that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, and I do. And we've we found a
Speaker 5: lot where I have no memory. But then when I
Speaker 5: do have a memory, it's usually pretty clear and then
Speaker 5: I can kind of branch it out to other memories
Speaker 5: of things that happened that week. Yeah, I'm just a
Speaker 5: bizarre memory's for me.
Speaker 2: It's a clear set of priorities because I remember what
Speaker 2: was happening in my personal life, and I remember like
Speaker 2: what was going on in our relationships behind the scenes
Speaker 2: pretty clearly, but I have no idea what was in
Speaker 2: front of the Yeah, the show's I just was phoning
Speaker 2: it in by second season, like or just turning off
Speaker 2: that part of my brain. It was like, this is
Speaker 2: just the job. So yeah, no clue, that's very very weird,
Speaker 2: do you, Mark, Paul No.
Speaker 4: And and I've said this to some of my other
Speaker 4: castmates as well as that and writer you hit it.
Speaker 4: It was a job. And so I think if you
Speaker 4: asked anyone in their careers what they did today at work,
Speaker 4: they wouldn't know, but they might have an idea of
Speaker 4: what they did for lunch because they met with a
Speaker 4: friend exactly, they had a personal experience. But for us,
Speaker 4: it was a job and and and yeah, it was
Speaker 4: it was a blur. I don't know if I did
Speaker 4: that to protect myself, because it was probably overwhelming for
Speaker 4: that age to be in that environment and to be
Speaker 4: doing what we were doing. But I do remember a
Speaker 4: lot of like the relationship moments, and and actually I
Speaker 4: remember a lot when we were on location because it
Speaker 4: was a departure from a weird a weird space.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it changes. Human beings are so adaptable that no
Speaker 5: matter what you're doing, even if it's amazing to somebody else.
Speaker 5: I mean, the last two men that walked in the
Speaker 5: moon were up there for three days, and they said,
Speaker 5: by the third day, they were waking up like, oh,
Speaker 5: we have a job to do today. We have to
Speaker 5: do this, we have to do it, like they're going
Speaker 5: by the checklist. It's like, dude, you're on the moon.
Speaker 2: They don't. You just get used to it.
Speaker 5: So it's like you're doing a show and one Tuesday
Speaker 5: runs into another Tuesday and it's a rehearsal day and.
Speaker 2: You don't know what is an amnesiac quality to sitcom
Speaker 2: form in general too, It's like, because the whole point
Speaker 2: of sitcom is that characters show up and do the
Speaker 2: same thing that they did last week, right, and then
Speaker 2: like learn their lesson, but they don't really come back
Speaker 2: and do it again. So it's like the form lends
Speaker 2: itself to like I mean, I remember feeling like, haven't
Speaker 2: we done this a million? I remember these words exactly this,
Speaker 2: and you just and that's part of the you know,
Speaker 2: the sort of comic strip quality of sitcom. It's like,
Speaker 2: you can't.
Speaker 5: That's one of the reasons I'm convinced that sitcom is
Speaker 5: no longer around those is because of streaming.
Speaker 2: Exactly, you can't because binging.
Speaker 5: You either forget the binge binging and streaming you can't
Speaker 5: do that kind of just that we can do the
Speaker 5: same story we did three weeks ago, and it's not
Speaker 5: going to matter anymore. It doesn't work like that anymore.
Speaker 2: No, it used to actually be essential because it was
Speaker 2: a reminder of like, remember who these character, Let's reset
Speaker 2: the situation so we can enjoy it. Now you're like, well,
Speaker 2: you just watched it five seconds ago, the last episode,
Speaker 2: so yeah, it's really weird.
Speaker 1: Well, we've talked a lot about how Boy Meets World
Speaker 1: was a really great example of the messy eighties and
Speaker 1: nineties sitcomcasting, where you would do a pilot and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden people would just be gone, and
Speaker 1: then they need to bring in new people, or you
Speaker 1: do a full episode or a full week and then
Speaker 1: somebody's gone on the day of taping. You haven't even
Speaker 1: crazier experience because you started with good morning, Miss Bliss
Speaker 1: on Disney.
Speaker 3: Do you remember auditioning for that and how old were you?
Speaker 4: I believe I was twelve when I auditioned for that.
Speaker 4: I remember auditioning for it because I had spent the
Speaker 4: summer in Texas, in Harlingen, Texas, and I was going
Speaker 4: to a Marine military academy. I wanted to go to
Speaker 4: a Marine military academy for high school and I had
Speaker 4: to go to this camp to basically be accepted. So
Speaker 4: it was like a sort of like a boot camp.
Speaker 4: And got back. My hair was really short. They obviously
Speaker 4: buzzed it, and I was starting to grow out a
Speaker 4: little and this is I'd been home now for a month.
Speaker 4: I started grow out a little bit. My mom put
Speaker 4: highlights in my hair, and the rest is history with
Speaker 4: that character. But I remember auditioning for that, and I
Speaker 4: remember Dustin Diamond being in the room with me. That's
Speaker 4: the only other one that I remember, because I remember going,
Speaker 4: if this kid isn't screech, I don't know who is right?
Speaker 1: He was?
Speaker 4: He was? He was incredible. But yeah, we did a
Speaker 4: season of that, I think thirteen episodes, and then again
Speaker 4: it was like, okay, we wrapped. We had a wrap
Speaker 4: party and no word until they said, oh, we've We've
Speaker 4: decided to, you know, spin it off into a show
Speaker 4: called Saved by the Bell And we love the character
Speaker 4: of Zach and we're going to take you and Lark
Speaker 4: Vorhees and Dustin Diamond. We're going to put you in
Speaker 4: a school in Pacific Palisades and we're gonna add some characters.
Speaker 4: That was that. That wasn't easy to say goodbye to
Speaker 4: the other cast mates, you know. Yeah, and our business
Speaker 4: is like that. It's like, why didn't they cross over?
Speaker 4: I have no idea. It was a decision that was
Speaker 4: beyond my pay grade.
Speaker 3: But yeah, isn't that crazy though?
Speaker 1: We talk about that all the time, and I think
Speaker 1: we take it for granted because it's just how we
Speaker 1: grew up. But like, that's a weird thing as a
Speaker 1: team to go to work week after week And did
Speaker 1: you have a fear then after that ever of like
Speaker 1: it could be me next, Like did you ever? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a weird feeling to just like every week you're like,
Speaker 1: this could be the week I get fired.
Speaker 4: I have that fear now. I mean it hasn't gone away.
Speaker 4: I have the fear, you know that I'm going to
Speaker 4: get fired off my show that I suck. That you
Speaker 4: know that when they write up about it, they're the
Speaker 4: only person they're going to say that sucks is me.
Speaker 4: Put the blame on me. I mean that, I remember
Speaker 4: my first time I was rejected. I mean that's basically
Speaker 4: it is like you go for an audition, you know,
Speaker 4: you just you don't get the job, and then you
Speaker 4: have to explain, you know, why you didn't get the job,
Speaker 4: and then a lot of the times there's no explanation.
Speaker 4: You kind of have to just go, well, you know,
Speaker 4: move on to the next thing. But I actually got
Speaker 4: a commercial for Whammo and I was on the set
Speaker 4: and yeah, I don't know. All I know is I
Speaker 4: was fired and they sent me as a consolation, they
Speaker 4: sent me a big box of Wammo toys.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you're kidding me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how old were you I was? I mean it
Speaker 4: had to be before ten years old.
Speaker 3: So when did you start acting?
Speaker 4: I got my SAG card in eighty four, so I
Speaker 4: was ten. But before that I was doing commercials. So
Speaker 4: I started print work four years old, and then you know,
Speaker 4: commercial and theatrical eventually when I was ten, when I started,
Speaker 4: I think I did like Highway to Heaven and Punky
Speaker 4: Bruister and things like that. But the good thing about
Speaker 4: being fired off that commercial and it's a it's a
Speaker 4: happy ending in some ways because we became friends and
Speaker 4: sad and another. But it was Paul Walker that took
Speaker 4: my that took took over for me, uh in that commercial,
Speaker 4: and that was like my my arch nemesis, and we
Speaker 4: were friends growing up. But he was like the more talented,
Speaker 4: better looking guy. Like if you wanted a real California kid,
Speaker 4: you went with Paul Walker. I mean he was just
Speaker 4: a you know, a beautiful human being those eyes and
Speaker 4: the hair and things like that, because I was just,
Speaker 4: you know, in half an Aonesian half Dutch kid that
Speaker 4: was acting like a California kid. But Paul was like
Speaker 4: the epitome of like if you if if you couldn't
Speaker 4: get Paul, we'll take Mark Paul. Now.
Speaker 5: Wait, so that's a good question because I also had
Speaker 5: a childhood rival who booked everything.
Speaker 2: Did you really?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, his name was Mike Moran, And the second
Speaker 5: he would walk in, you'd be like, well I don't
Speaker 5: need to be here anymore. Like this is he booked
Speaker 5: every commercial he went out for it was like the
Speaker 5: Michael Jordan and the Tree how like every every single
Speaker 5: thing he walked in, you knew you were done. So,
Speaker 5: Danielle Ryder, did you have any childhood like you that
Speaker 5: you saw this person in every audition he knew they
Speaker 5: were going to book it.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was always Elijah Wood for me. It was
Speaker 2: like him and me just always came down to like
Speaker 2: the two of us, or if I didn't get a part,
Speaker 2: I would always find out it went to him and
Speaker 2: Charlie Korsmo too. I lost, like, yeah, Charlie Korsmo only
Speaker 2: did like three movies, but I was up for all
Speaker 2: three of them. He just kept getting.
Speaker 5: There and there are movies. Yeah, he had four or
Speaker 5: five in a row there that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did his three Disney films. You remember how
Speaker 2: Disney used to if you did one film, they would
Speaker 2: get a contract for all for three. That's how Disney worked.
Speaker 2: And so he did his three Disneys and then left.
Speaker 2: I think he got back into the industry later, but
Speaker 2: but yeah, but Elijah Wood was the one who I
Speaker 2: always felt good about losing a role too, because I
Speaker 2: was like, well, he's so talented, Well this kid could
Speaker 2: actually really act, Like I feel like I'm just making
Speaker 2: it up, but he actually knows what he's doing.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't really have that.
Speaker 1: I mean on Boy Meets World, I was the replacement,
Speaker 1: so I was the nemesis.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, so you okay, you Lark, Dustin Diamonds.
Speaker 1: Dustin diamond and Dennis Haskins are the only are the
Speaker 1: only people who were brought back for this retooling as
Speaker 1: Saved by the Bell. Do you remember if there was
Speaker 1: any sort of like did they make anybody and maybe
Speaker 1: you don't know, do you know if they made anybody
Speaker 1: who had already had their part, like re audition like
Speaker 1: try to do it again or did they just start
Speaker 1: from scratch?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I all I know is what I've heard. I
Speaker 4: think Elizabeth had auditioned for Tiffany's role, so the Kelly
Speaker 4: and Jesse rolls, and then Lark's role of Lisa even
Speaker 4: before you know, on Miss Bliss, it was supposed to
Speaker 4: be like a like a Jewish American princess, like that
Speaker 4: was her role. They were trying to find someone like that,
Speaker 4: and then Lark just killed it because she was so talented,
Speaker 4: so great, and they went with her. But yeah, I
Speaker 4: think that the roles like Elizabeth was trying out for
Speaker 4: Kelly and that didn't go her way, but they you know,
Speaker 4: and yeah, Mario's role, I think they were looking for
Speaker 4: like a Vinnie Barberino type. That's what he said, is
Speaker 4: like you know that that sort of in that vein.
Speaker 4: But he was so talented as well. I mean I
Speaker 4: really felt on that show that I was that I
Speaker 4: was the sandbag in it all, like the ballast that
Speaker 4: could be thrown over because everyone was so talented, like
Speaker 4: Mario was like a drummer and an athlete, like a
Speaker 4: national champion wrestler and a dancer, and you know, Dustin
Speaker 4: was funny, and Elizabeth was a dancer as well, and
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know, it was it was. It
Speaker 4: was a mess for me.
Speaker 5: If we could talk very briefly about Dustin Diamond, because
Speaker 5: he kind of pioneered that role, that role of like
Speaker 5: I mean, he was Rkle before Erkele he was. I mean,
Speaker 5: he kind of came in as that character and he
Speaker 5: invented an entire kind of television trope. I mean, he
Speaker 5: really did. It was. It was something especially as a
Speaker 5: kid that I was watching where it was like the
Speaker 5: kind of so wacky Clowney. It's it's I know people
Speaker 5: are gonna be like, you've got to be me when
Speaker 5: you make this comparison. But if there's something false staff
Speaker 5: about I mean, there's something almost Shakespearean about the character
Speaker 5: where it is the kind of he's not really bullied,
Speaker 5: but he's the he can come into a bad situation
Speaker 5: make everybody laugh. And so I just if you could
Speaker 5: talk a little bit about that, because there there are
Speaker 5: so many characters now that are kind of based on that,
Speaker 5: and it seemed like he was the first, and I
Speaker 5: frankly don't think he gets nearly enough credit for what
Speaker 5: he's done in the history of television when you really
Speaker 5: look at it that way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, no, I never really looked
Speaker 4: at it that way because how I felt about my
Speaker 4: character when I when I read the script, and because
Speaker 4: Zach was talking to the camera, I was immediately drawn
Speaker 4: to Ferris Bueller, and I was like, oh, well, I
Speaker 4: get to play Ferris Bueller. This is amazing. And so
Speaker 4: I guess Dustin's character would have been the Cameron the camera. Yeah,
Speaker 4: in in a way, but even more goofy in a way.
Speaker 4: And and and yeah, you just play I mean and
Speaker 4: that's the thing like seeing dustin in the audition room.
Speaker 4: It's like, that's that because you read a script in
Speaker 4: your in your mind's and you sort of like you
Speaker 4: try to put the pieces together who that could be,
Speaker 4: who's out there that can that can play that role,
Speaker 4: and then you actually see it and he just embodied
Speaker 4: that character. I mean I and and producers and writers
Speaker 4: will always say this is that they have an idea
Speaker 4: of what a character should be in, but when you're
Speaker 4: on set, they start writing for you. And they just
Speaker 4: started writing for his strengths. And he was so good
Speaker 4: at physical comedy at such a young age, like some
Speaker 4: of the things that he used to do. And we
Speaker 4: always laugh about that is like we had no stunt
Speaker 4: coordinators on Saved by the bel ever like nowadays. If
Speaker 4: for instance, I was I was on a show for
Speaker 4: for Disney and my wife on the show had to
Speaker 4: hit me with her purse and I had to fall
Speaker 4: to my knees.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 4: It was like, I mean, they had a stund.
Speaker 3: Danny Wayne was there for you, Oh.
Speaker 2: My god, exactly.
Speaker 4: They had They had knee pads on me. They had
Speaker 4: an armadillo backpack just in case I fouled backwards pads
Speaker 4: on the floor. They had to teacher how to throw
Speaker 4: a purse, and I remember my uh my wife on
Speaker 4: that show is Tika Sumpter. She's like, just give me
Speaker 4: the purse and she liked the place hits me. I
Speaker 4: fall down and know we use that, but they were
Speaker 4: they were in shock. They're like, oh my gosh, you
Speaker 4: can't do that. Yeah, you guys okay. But on Save
Speaker 4: by the Belt, I mean people always ask me about that,
Speaker 4: that scene between Mario and I where we fight and
Speaker 4: he actually throws me over and like uh and and
Speaker 4: punches me on the ground, and that was like real.
Speaker 4: I mean Mario was a was a champion wrestlers. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he kicked me. He literally kicked my ass. There was
Speaker 4: no stunt people on set and there was nobody. There
Speaker 4: was no coordinators. It's like in the script it says
Speaker 4: they fight, and so they said, what do you guys
Speaker 4: feel like doing. Mario goes, I'm gonna do this. It
Speaker 4: puts me on my back and starts punching me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we also very much the same thing. We've talked
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: We've seen a few little things where were like, wow,
Speaker 1: that was like a that was real. He really kicked you,
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, yeah, I think we used to
Speaker 1: do all of those back then.
Speaker 4: We were.
Speaker 2: On fire today like all right, let's go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a super Bowl episode where I jump on
Speaker 1: Ben's back and then he flings me off and I
Speaker 1: go flying across the kitchen and the people have commented like,
Speaker 1: how did you do that?
Speaker 3: Or it looks so real? What did you land on?
Speaker 2: It was like, oh no, I just just got thrown
Speaker 2: to the ground.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was fine.
Speaker 1: Yes, So eventually Elizabeth Berkeley and Tiffany and berthisa and
Speaker 1: left the show in the final season. Did you ever
Speaker 1: have the fear that you were forever going to be
Speaker 1: just Zach Morris And how did you so successfully overcome that?
Speaker 3: I'm asking for three friends.
Speaker 4: Again. Yes, I was very worried about that and watching
Speaker 4: Tiffany and watching Elizabeth go off. You know, you don't
Speaker 4: know when the right moment would be, and I totally
Speaker 4: respected their decision and was behind it. I didn't feel
Speaker 4: I would have a problem with being typecast because I
Speaker 4: was playing this character. I wouldn't. I didn't look like
Speaker 4: Zach in my personal life, you know, I'd have to
Speaker 4: sit in the chair every two weeks and get my
Speaker 4: hair dyed. And it was a character that I thought
Speaker 4: I was playing. But yeah, you're people in the industry
Speaker 4: and people outside of the industry who watch the show,
Speaker 4: they see you as that character, and even to this day,
Speaker 4: people are like, oh, wait, where's your blonde hair?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, that was that was fake. Did
Speaker 4: you not notice, like season of season it was a
Speaker 4: different color every season, Like there is nothing on a
Speaker 4: driver's license that you could check to say what color
Speaker 4: that was. Yeah, it's like a it's a weird leopardy thing,
Speaker 4: platinum blonde. So for me, I didn't think I would
Speaker 4: have an issue because it was that character that I created.
Speaker 4: But those three years after it was really really hard,
Speaker 4: and I had a really hard time breaking out of
Speaker 4: that character because I'd walk into the room and it
Speaker 4: would call for you know, this California kid, And again
Speaker 4: we talked about this, like Paul Walker was kid, I
Speaker 4: was not, And so I'd walk in and you know,
Speaker 4: where's your hair? You look like you look nothing like
Speaker 4: Zach and it's like yeah, yeah, And it took about
Speaker 4: three years for me to sort of get the opportunity,
Speaker 4: and I remember it was for a a movie of
Speaker 4: the Week. Do they even do those anymore? No, unfortunately,
Speaker 4: But it was a Movie of the Week for NBC
Speaker 4: opposite Cameron Burret. Yeah, and I played a pretty despicable
Speaker 4: character and that sort of broke that broke me out
Speaker 4: of that role for a while, or the Zach Morris
Speaker 4: image for a while. But we still get it. I mean,
Speaker 4: in comic cons people will always say, like, you know,
Speaker 4: I like you better as a blonde, like oh okay,
Speaker 4: oh yeah nice.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes people. Yeah, people don't think that there.
Speaker 1: They think they're just saying facts or but they don't
Speaker 1: realize that sometimes the thing that the comments they make
Speaker 1: are actually hurtful.
Speaker 3: They don't tend to be, but they can be.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were shocked when you
Speaker 1: did a bit on Jimmy Fallon in two thousand and
Speaker 1: nine for many reasons. Number one, you showed the world
Speaker 1: that you didn't look a day older than you did
Speaker 1: on Bayside High at Base I had.
Speaker 4: Help, I had help, did you well? So I remember
Speaker 4: that because I was promoting a show that I was
Speaker 4: on called Raising the Bar for Stephen Botchko, and I
Speaker 4: remember we were going to do the press tour, you know,
Speaker 4: for the launch of the show, and they said, oh,
Speaker 4: we want you to do Fallon. I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's great, and I knew that Fallon, you know, with
Speaker 4: his background at SML and they and his show was
Speaker 4: relatively new at that time, but they were doing skits
Speaker 4: and having fun on the show. Wasn't just like your
Speaker 4: your typical late night paradigm. So I remember talking to
Speaker 4: the producer and asking if I could come on the show,
Speaker 4: because that's when things were people were trying to find
Speaker 4: things that went viral, and when they went viral, it
Speaker 4: was you know, obviously like a lot of a lot
Speaker 4: of looks, and I was thinking, how can we I'm
Speaker 4: not a very viral guy, Like, there's nothing that I
Speaker 4: do that people are gonna be like, oh gosh, I
Speaker 4: can't believe he did that. But I thought, what could
Speaker 4: I do? And and that came up, and as a
Speaker 4: thought was to go on his show as Zach Morris.
Speaker 4: And I remember talking with either Jimmy or one of
Speaker 4: his producers, but they said, oh, we love that idea,
Speaker 4: but then we'll cut to a commercial and you'll come
Speaker 4: back and you'll be Mark Paul. And I said, no,
Speaker 4: I want to do the whole thing as Zach Morris,
Speaker 4: never breaking character, and I want to say, like, you know,
Speaker 4: Zach Morris, I'm the real Zach Morris. Mark Paul Gosler
Speaker 4: is my stage name on SAG, because there was already
Speaker 4: a Zach Morris, and I'm on this new show raising
Speaker 4: the Bar. And you know, I wanted to play because
Speaker 4: everybody would call me Zach anyway, so I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 4: gonna play into that. They all think, name this character,
Speaker 4: so let's do it. And so what I say is
Speaker 4: why I had help looking young is because I scrambled
Speaker 4: to find a wig like Zach Morris, because obviously my
Speaker 4: hair wasn't like that. So I was wearing a wig.
Speaker 4: I scrambled all over the valley looking for this wig.
Speaker 4: Finally founded at this professional wig maker, but it was
Speaker 4: two sizes too small. So I put it on and
Speaker 4: I was like, it looks great. Let's go, and I
Speaker 4: hopped on a flight, went to Yes. I went, and
Speaker 4: so when I put it on, it gave me a
Speaker 4: complete facelift. It looked amazing. I had no wrinkles in
Speaker 4: my forehead, my eyes were pulled back. I looked youthful.
Speaker 4: I was like that.
Speaker 2: So that's why the name of the wig maker.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna need that.
Speaker 4: So they pulled everything back and it came out exactly
Speaker 4: how I wanted it to. We had a we had
Speaker 4: a great time, and then when the whole cast joined in,
Speaker 4: that was even better. And uh and and you know,
Speaker 4: I think I think Jimmy is or she responsible for
Speaker 4: why there was such a desire to do a reboot
Speaker 4: of the show.
Speaker 1: Wow, man, I cannot believe that was your idea to
Speaker 1: do that fallon bit.
Speaker 3: That's so smart. That's so smart and so cool.
Speaker 4: And it was awesome because also working with one of
Speaker 4: his producers, Mike Decenzo was the guy that was the
Speaker 4: producer writer on the show, and he was a he
Speaker 4: was an adamant fan of the show and was like
Speaker 4: an encyclopedia uh for it. And I said, I wanted,
Speaker 4: I want to be married to Kelly, I want to
Speaker 4: talk about my s A T scores, I want to
Speaker 4: talk about certain things. And so he was able to
Speaker 4: plug those and it was an eleven page script that
Speaker 4: that we did and it turned out great. And Jimmy
Speaker 4: is just so good and so funny and such a
Speaker 4: great person to bounce these things off of. We had it.
Speaker 4: We had a really good time. I do it again
Speaker 4: in a heartbeat.
Speaker 3: That's so cool.
Speaker 1: A lot of fans you even mentioned at A lot
Speaker 1: of fans focus on the caffeine pills episode or the
Speaker 1: zach attacks, But I really want to know more about
Speaker 1: one particular tag you guys all did for an episode
Speaker 1: called No Hope with Dope. Movie star Johnny Dakota visits
Speaker 1: the school to shoot an anti drug PSA, but then
Speaker 1: they see him smoking marijuana at a house party.
Speaker 2: They see smoke.
Speaker 3: He's doing a jail Joe doing a j smoking the marijuana.
Speaker 1: At the end of the episode, the cast appears in
Speaker 1: character with the NBC network president at the time and
Speaker 1: a truly terrible actor, Brandon Tartakoff. It was a say
Speaker 1: not to drugs commercial scene where it's a postmodern fourth
Speaker 1: wall explosion, And I just want to ask you, what
Speaker 1: do you remember about shooting that?
Speaker 2: Do you remember it at all?
Speaker 4: I don't remember it. By looking back, I can only
Speaker 4: imagine that I was thinking, like, God, I hope they
Speaker 4: don't smell weed on me at this point.
Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 4: I wasn't a big I wasn't a big marijuana type guy.
Speaker 2: But but you were older.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we were older. And I would say that
Speaker 4: since sixteen I was in clubs in LA. I mean
Speaker 4: it was. I mean, thinking back to that's so weird
Speaker 4: to think of, Like if I saw a sixteen year
Speaker 4: old in a club. Now, when I see a sixteen
Speaker 4: year old in a restaurant, I'm like, what are you
Speaker 4: doing here? Yeah? It feels weird, right, I mean, I
Speaker 4: mean a club with other actors, young actors from the
Speaker 4: time I don't want to throw anybody on the bus
Speaker 4: with some pretty big names. Now and we're in bar one,
Speaker 4: we're at the Roxbury. I remember being taken to my
Speaker 4: first club by Sleigh Moon and Fry when I think
Speaker 4: I was thirteen. We went to like this this club
Speaker 4: in LA that was fourteen jeans.
Speaker 1: I remember that under I never went to it, but
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot about it, this like teen club
Speaker 1: that existed that a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, but it wasn't I was. I was a kid,
Speaker 4: I remember, I was. And I really lived in a
Speaker 4: in a bubble. I lived outside of the city. I
Speaker 4: lived in Valencia, which is outside of Los Angeles. For
Speaker 4: anybody that knows, it's it's sort of like a planned community,
Speaker 4: a lot of track homes and things like that. But
Speaker 4: my upbringing, my mother would listen to to k Earth
Speaker 4: one oh one and it was like a lot of
Speaker 4: like Elvis and Ella Fitzgerald and you know, Fats Domino
Speaker 4: and stuff, and so that was my musical uh education.
Speaker 4: And so I'm I remember before like Slay's like, we're
Speaker 4: gonna meet at this club. We're gonna go to a club.
Speaker 3: That's what it was called Ballistics at the Roxy?
Speaker 4: Is that what it was called the Tea Club?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was the place above the Roxy
Speaker 2: because there was also like on the Rocks, which was
Speaker 2: like the little club. I remember going there for birthday
Speaker 2: parties and stuff. But okay, but Ballistics was like.
Speaker 1: The name of the teen club. Yeah, it was like
Speaker 1: the team one Ballistics.
Speaker 4: But I remember like being so anxious of not knowing
Speaker 4: like current music, and I'm thinking, like, oh, I hope
Speaker 4: they play Elvis at this place, because then I could
Speaker 4: kind of I could sing along or dance along, you know,
Speaker 4: if they're playing Like I walk in and they're playing
Speaker 4: two Live Crew and all the guys are on one side,
Speaker 4: all the girls are on the other side, and they're singing, Hey,
Speaker 4: we want some right right, And on the other side,
Speaker 4: the girls are going, hey, we want some dic K
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I'm thirteen, and this is what this
Speaker 4: was my exposure.
Speaker 3: You're like, where's the Ella Fitzgerald Room?
Speaker 5: Yeah, this Elvis never sung about.
Speaker 4: That was my exposure to the LA night scene. And
Speaker 4: then cut to three years later where I'm on my
Speaker 4: own show and you're let into these clubs and then
Speaker 4: we're doing a psa of don't you know, there's no
Speaker 4: hope of dope, which was fine with me because I
Speaker 4: could I could say that I wasn't a really big
Speaker 4: dope guy, right, So my thing was maybe to have
Speaker 4: a few like light beers or whatever. Yeah, I'm sort
Speaker 4: of sugarcoating that, but you know the the for those listeners.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we were just it was it was a
Speaker 4: different time and again there was no social media, so
Speaker 4: you could just be a kid and your lessons. And
Speaker 4: by the time I was nineteen, I was over it.
Speaker 4: I was done. I didn't want to do it anymore.
Speaker 4: And I just feel like that that's sort of lost
Speaker 4: for some of these kids that are growing up in
Speaker 4: this industry now, is that they're just they can't experiment
Speaker 4: with somebody having an opinion about everything that they do.
Speaker 1: So it's terrifying. Your kids are. How old are you
Speaker 1: have two older kids?
Speaker 4: I have a nineteen year old and a seventeen year old.
Speaker 1: I can't I mean, it has to be so scary
Speaker 1: to be the parent of a nineteen and a seventeen
Speaker 1: year old right now, with just all the things you're
Speaker 1: talking about, because I think about it all the time,
Speaker 1: how lucky we were that we barely got by.
Speaker 3: We were the last little bit of the.
Speaker 1: Generation that didn't have to deal with that, with the
Speaker 1: constant pressure of everything you say and think being put
Speaker 1: immediately onto the internet, and then every single one of
Speaker 1: those thoughts and opinions and you know whatever being judged immediately.
Speaker 1: I just, oh, my gosh, I can't even imagine it.
Speaker 1: So how do you deal with that with your kids?
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I'm not on social anymore. I
Speaker 4: took myself off about a year and a half ago.
Speaker 4: I just couldn't do it. I feel like I have
Speaker 4: pretty thick skin, but honestly, it's just like even that's
Speaker 4: an effort to have thick skin, right, So it's like,
Speaker 4: why why even deal with it? So I took I
Speaker 4: took myself off and how we deal with it With
Speaker 4: the kids, I've just been blessed, I think with some
Speaker 4: really good kids. I mean I have a pretty good
Speaker 4: relationship with my kids. You know, I still go to
Speaker 4: better every night and think that I could do better
Speaker 4: and be better. It's just a thing as a parent,
Speaker 4: I think you do. It's like you never feel like
Speaker 4: you're getting it right, and you know there's there's there's
Speaker 4: so many different ways and and and and avenues that
Speaker 4: you can take and it's like are you doing the
Speaker 4: right thing, and you just you just never know. But
Speaker 4: with my my two older ones, they're they're they're good
Speaker 4: that way. They have a strong identity. I don't think
Speaker 4: they're on. I mean, my my daughter checks out her
Speaker 4: social a little bit, but I don't think she's she's
Speaker 4: tied to it and and that that is not her identity.
Speaker 4: She's really into art and my my son is really
Speaker 4: into music. And yeah, I I I would say limit
Speaker 4: the social and and uh, you know, if you could
Speaker 4: take it away, I would do it, and a heartbeat,
Speaker 4: I would wipe it all away. Yeah, because I just
Speaker 4: don't see the good and for especially for younger people
Speaker 4: to be on it.
Speaker 1: Well, I watched I saw a video of you not
Speaker 1: that long ago, so it was obviously from you said
Speaker 1: you got off at a year and a half ago,
Speaker 1: but I thought it was it was one of the greatest,
Speaker 1: one of the greatest videos I had ever seen on
Speaker 1: like TikTok or Instagram or wherever it was. But you
Speaker 1: were talking about I think your daughter, one of your
Speaker 1: younger kids. You had picked up and they had had
Speaker 1: like a bad day and they were kind of in
Speaker 1: a bad mood, and you had her do something your
Speaker 1: mom used to have you do, which was pick an
Speaker 1: orange and peel an orange. Like she was peeling an orange.
Speaker 1: That's something about the activity of actually having to peel
Speaker 1: the orange. And then she was walking behind you in
Speaker 1: the video and like walked up and said she had pooped.
Speaker 2: She was no, I'm not.
Speaker 1: My producer husband just asked me, are you making this up?
Speaker 1: It was one hundred percent you and you had this cute,
Speaker 1: you know, this cute little girl with you was like
Speaker 1: walking and talking in the background. Who walked up and
Speaker 1: then it was like, what's that you pooped your pants? Okay, great,
Speaker 1: but it.
Speaker 2: Was the video, how yeah, did this actually happen?
Speaker 4: Because it seems like I almost I almost feel like
Speaker 4: this is Vanderbik.
Speaker 2: Maybe James Vanderby.
Speaker 4: I think it might be Vandibek.
Speaker 2: I think it is Vanderbeek. Is it Vanderbeek?
Speaker 3: Oh my god's James Vanderbek.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm just realizing right now it was totally
Speaker 1: James vanderbe Happy that just happened.
Speaker 4: And I am so happy as well, because I like,
Speaker 4: I watched Vanderbeek's videos every once in a while, like
Speaker 4: I'll see a pompa. My wife will say, because we're friends,
Speaker 4: we're acquaintances. And I think he has like six kids.
Speaker 4: So yeah, the.
Speaker 1: Reasons I thought it was you was because there were
Speaker 1: like a lot of kids, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I just met Mark Paul.
Speaker 2: He's got a bunch of kids like that.
Speaker 4: That's totally Vanderby, And I think Vanderbeek actually we had
Speaker 4: the same RV. We actually had the exact same RV,
Speaker 4: and at some point he was like spending a lot
Speaker 4: of time. I don't know if he was living out
Speaker 4: of that RV or what, but I would see the
Speaker 4: chaos behind him. So that does that does sound like
Speaker 4: a Vanderbeek moment where.
Speaker 3: It wasn't our. It was like a lot.
Speaker 1: They were on like a lot of land, like on
Speaker 1: a farm or something. And I was like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: that's with everything you just told me.
Speaker 4: You did it.
Speaker 2: You did it well.
Speaker 1: If you want to call me Winnie Cooper, you know,
Speaker 1: if you want to do any of that to me,
Speaker 1: it's just totally fine.
Speaker 3: I will accept any of it.
Speaker 2: This is my favorite day. It will cry no.
Speaker 4: And that's the thing. I've never put my kids on
Speaker 4: on on social I'm I'm pretty protective that way. I
Speaker 4: think we take photos, but they're from a distance. And
Speaker 4: this is when I was on it, and I would
Speaker 4: only take photos if like we were gifted a trip
Speaker 4: to you know, Universal studios, you have to do the
Speaker 4: obligatory photo, but that'd be far away. And I I'm
Speaker 4: I'm you know, I don't judge. Like I know, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of people that that put their kids on
Speaker 4: It's just not for me. I remember one time, very
Speaker 4: early on, uh in my son's life, we went to
Speaker 4: a h and my son's name is Michael, who's now seventeen.
Speaker 4: But we went to a function and somebody took a
Speaker 4: photo of us and in like one of the comments,
Speaker 4: it was, you know, and at that time it was
Speaker 4: only like People magazine or you know, there would be
Speaker 4: very specific and limited press that would run these things.
Speaker 4: But under the comments it was like, what's wrong with
Speaker 4: his smile? And I was like, that's it, that's it.
Speaker 4: Never never doing this again. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 4: going to build my kids out there.
Speaker 1: It was one of the Yeah, main it was one
Speaker 1: of the first decisions I made when Jensen and I
Speaker 1: had kids.
Speaker 3: We talked about it.
Speaker 1: It was like, man, and I knew even before Adler
Speaker 1: was born, how hard it.
Speaker 3: Was going to be.
Speaker 1: Because is there anything in the world that you love
Speaker 1: more or want to show off or brag about more
Speaker 1: than your children. You they are They bring you so
Speaker 1: much joy that you just can't imagine that the even
Speaker 1: if they even bring you a fraction of the joy
Speaker 1: they bring me, I want to share that joy with you.
Speaker 1: And it was it was a hard decision to make,
Speaker 1: and I, like you said, I do not judge anybody.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I look at people who
Speaker 1: post their kids and I think, man, they do it well,
Speaker 1: or that looks really great, or you know, I'm I
Speaker 1: wish I could do that.
Speaker 3: I just it's just not for me, and you know
Speaker 3: we we haven't done it either.
Speaker 1: I used to post things when they were first born,
Speaker 1: like with an emoji over their face, and then people
Speaker 1: would be like, well, if you're not going to show
Speaker 1: your kid like, don't even just don't do it at all.
Speaker 1: And I eventually read that and I was like, you
Speaker 1: know what, You're kind of right, like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get this feeling of like I'm sharing my life with you,
Speaker 1: but I have an emoji over's face, so it does
Speaker 1: what I want, but also what you want, which is sharing.
Speaker 1: And then people are like that doesn't make us happy,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, okay, I just now don't
Speaker 1: really post much about my kids, or I'll post them
Speaker 1: from behind or whatever.
Speaker 2: But yeah, also there's also the risk of backlash, which
Speaker 2: I'm encountering now. Just you know, my son's eight and
Speaker 2: it's like the forbidden fruit. All he wants is to
Speaker 2: be posted. He's like, Dad, can I post a video?
Speaker 4: Can I?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you know, so, I know, like in
Speaker 2: a weird way, I need to figure out how to
Speaker 2: allowing account. Yeah I don't. Well, yeah we have that
Speaker 2: like within our family, you mat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well not even just that because then friends could
Speaker 1: follow it too, so that he gets the like the
Speaker 1: dopamine hit of seeing like will or I leave a comment,
Speaker 1: you know, like where because we have a he has.
Speaker 2: To be in cancer right right? Like what he was
Speaker 2: like sticks, he would say, Dad, you know, if we're somewhere,
Speaker 2: he'd be like dead film me and I turn on
Speaker 2: the camera and he'd be like, hey, guys. I'm like,
Speaker 2: who's guys all just and we've never I've never allowed
Speaker 2: him to watch a YouTube video. So he's just absorbed
Speaker 2: it from the culture like that that influencer like speak
Speaker 2: that like talk to the camera, walk and talk like
Speaker 2: he just has it and it's just part of their
Speaker 2: culture now. So he just wants to participate in it.
Speaker 4: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I've told him because he's been making a lot of
Speaker 2: stop motion movies and I'm like, look, maybe we could
Speaker 2: post those like you know, you will post your work
Speaker 2: right until the criticism starts coming in. Mark.
Speaker 5: I don't know about you, but one of the greatest
Speaker 5: days of my recent history was deleting all of my
Speaker 5: social media. I woke up the next day and I
Speaker 5: felt so good. It was a visceral weight that had
Speaker 5: been lift where it was just like, I mean, it
Speaker 5: was wonderful to just not have it in my life anymore.
Speaker 5: It really was. It was phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Loved it.
Speaker 4: Did you delete all your content and your name or
Speaker 4: do you still have the account?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: I deleted everything, no account, no everything. And I didn't
Speaker 5: say anything to anybody. Deleted, Twitter, deleted. I just woke
Speaker 5: up one day and it was gone, and it was great.
Speaker 4: See, and I still have my account up. There was
Speaker 4: a moment where I only had like four pictures up
Speaker 4: on Instagram because I woke up one day and was like,
Speaker 4: I'm deleting everything, and I deleted the content on it,
Speaker 4: and I think, you're like, followers go to zero. But
Speaker 4: I still kept my name, okay, and I'm still reluctant
Speaker 4: to just because I'm thinking somebody's gonna pick up my name,
Speaker 4: so I'm trying to just hold on to that. Plus
Speaker 4: my Twitter handle, because I joined Twitter so early, is
Speaker 4: at MPG, which I'm thinking is a pretty damn good
Speaker 4: Twitter and I kind of want to just hold on
Speaker 4: to it, but I don't. I don't. I'm never on it,
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't check it, so yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know what to do because
Speaker 4: I want It's great. I want to keep my stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just hold onto it.
Speaker 5: Just want to keep my stuff.
Speaker 3: Before we let you go.
Speaker 1: I want to give a little shout out to a
Speaker 1: friend of mine and my husband's, Dashel Driscoll, who had
Speaker 1: a rewatch podcast with you well before we ever had
Speaker 1: one occult favorite, Zach to the Future, that many of
Speaker 1: our listeners wish was still around when you agreed to.
Speaker 3: Do the show.
Speaker 1: What scenes were you immediately the most scared to see again,
Speaker 1: because we the three of us, have all had moments
Speaker 1: where we go, oh God, I don't I'm already dreading
Speaker 1: watching that episode, or I'm already be dreading that scene
Speaker 1: that's coming up. What were yours looking at when when
Speaker 1: you first started the podcast?
Speaker 4: Pretty much any scene that I was in, I just
Speaker 4: I don't like watching myself, so to have to rewatch
Speaker 4: that was torture. And I would say it all the
Speaker 4: time on our podcast. It was my idea to do
Speaker 4: this podcast, but it was I didn't realize how tortuous
Speaker 4: it would be for me to have to watch my
Speaker 4: work back. Because there's nothing you can do. You can't
Speaker 4: go back and say, oh, I had like another take,
Speaker 4: like to redo that, Like that sucked, let's do it again.
Speaker 4: And then realizing like everyone else on the show was
Speaker 4: more talented than me, at least in my perspective. Right
Speaker 4: from my view that too, I was like, oh, but
Speaker 4: in terms of like storylines, the one that I think
Speaker 4: we had to be most well, there was a few.
Speaker 4: There was. There was one where I was basically houring
Speaker 4: out Lisa Turtle, you know, to like charge people to
Speaker 4: kiss her without her consent. Oh god, that was That
Speaker 4: was a that was a tough one, which we had to,
Speaker 4: you know, preface the episode by saying, we do not
Speaker 4: condone this. We're just we're here just to to uh
Speaker 4: discuss it, but this is in the past. The other
Speaker 4: one was where Zach Morris claimed that he was Native
Speaker 4: American and we didn't know how.
Speaker 1: And did you you there's no way you remembered these either, right,
Speaker 1: Like you just kind of stumble into them and you go.
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, yeah, yeah, yeah, seeing Zach Morris in a
Speaker 4: full head dress and oh yeah. And so that was
Speaker 4: that was one we had to be a little sensitive on.
Speaker 4: There's just things that you just would not film. Now
Speaker 4: you know, there's things I've talked about this with breck
Speaker 4: and Meyer, who's a we're still very close friends and
Speaker 4: probably talk every week, And we talked about Franklin and Bash,
Speaker 4: which is only ten years ago, and there's things on
Speaker 4: Franklin and Bash we would never be able to shoot
Speaker 4: now and rightfully so, which is inappropriate. It's you know,
Speaker 4: we've evolved as human beings, but there are things every
Speaker 4: single episode that we could pick out that that we
Speaker 4: would you know, you find yourself at that point. You're
Speaker 4: trying not to be negative, right, it's a it's a
Speaker 4: watch party. People want you to celebrate the product. So
Speaker 4: we had to. We we had to.
Speaker 1: It was a fragile Yeah, it's a tightrope walk, correct,
Speaker 1: But overall you're trying to be positive about the work
Speaker 1: and say that.
Speaker 4: Was a different time. Yeah, we don't condone that now,
Speaker 4: but this is what it was, and enjoy Yeah.
Speaker 3: People also don't mind you acknowledging it.
Speaker 1: But then they also they don't want to hear it
Speaker 1: brought up every time and in the next scene when
Speaker 1: there's something else, like let's talk about it again, it's
Speaker 1: like blanket statement. This shouldn't have existed, but it does,
Speaker 1: we don't condone it. Moving on, let's actually just talk
Speaker 1: about the rest of the rest of the episode. We
Speaker 1: have learned that lesson as well.
Speaker 5: So sometimes harshly, we've sometimes harshly learned that lesson, but
Speaker 5: we've learned.
Speaker 3: We've learned.
Speaker 1: So looking back now with two of your children being
Speaker 1: older or than you were when you were on Saved
Speaker 1: by the Bell, how do you feel this many years
Speaker 1: later looking back at your time as Zach Morris.
Speaker 4: Well, and you just brought up that my kids are
Speaker 4: older than I was when I started the show. I
Speaker 4: am also ten years older than mister Belding was when
Speaker 4: he started the show.
Speaker 1: Oh man, oh yeah, my no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I need you to repeat that you are
Speaker 1: ten years older than Dennis.
Speaker 4: Has to get more than ten years older. I think
Speaker 4: Dennis started the show and he was either thirty six
Speaker 4: or thirty seven?
Speaker 3: Was that Miss bliss Ard Saved by the Bell?
Speaker 4: Miss bliss Okay, but I think I brought it up
Speaker 4: on our podcast for Saved by the Bell, So I
Speaker 4: think at that point at Saved by the Bell, he's
Speaker 4: still ten years younger than I was at this moment
Speaker 4: on Save by the bell. Oh my gosh, yeah, I
Speaker 4: let that sit in, guys, yep, let that soakright in.
Speaker 5: I've only been to two strip clubs in my entire life,
Speaker 5: and the first one I was dragged to was the
Speaker 5: Crazy Horse.
Speaker 2: And I get a top of my shoulder and it
Speaker 2: was mister Belding.
Speaker 4: Oh well listen, but he he was. I mean, but
Speaker 4: I gotta understand, this is a guy who was in
Speaker 4: his late thirties. You know, It's like, yeah, of course
Speaker 4: he'd be, and he's he's on television at the point.
Speaker 4: At that moment, it's like, of course.
Speaker 5: This is this crazy horse in Vegas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was.
Speaker 4: He was known for doing karaoke at a place called Dimples.
Speaker 3: Oh I know. I've ran into him at Dimples many times.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Dimples was awesome.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know you would. You wouldn't expect to
Speaker 4: see the principal a crazy horse.
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, I was not expecting to see it.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 5: It was odd, but I was.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, okay, hi, how you doing.
Speaker 5: And he recognized you will it was I think I was,
Speaker 5: of course with Marsden, and I think he recognized Jason,
Speaker 5: so he came over to talk to Jason, and then
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, hey, this is an odd combination
Speaker 5: of people here, grey of you. Oh my god, very strange.
Speaker 1: One last question, because talking hearing you talk about Dennis
Speaker 1: made me think about it. Are you particularly close to
Speaker 1: anybody from the Saved by the Bell cast? Are you
Speaker 1: guys still regularly in touch or have you all just
Speaker 1: you know, obviously we all have our own lives and
Speaker 1: do different things and move on. Or are you like
Speaker 1: actually close to anybody in particular.
Speaker 4: I think the closest out of the show that I'm
Speaker 4: that we have the closest relationship is probably Tiffany only
Speaker 4: because her husband Brady and I really enjoy each other's company.
Speaker 4: We're into a lot of the same things, and we
Speaker 4: just relate on a lot of different things. And then
Speaker 4: Tiffany has just always been there for me as well
Speaker 4: Elizabeth as well, you know when when we all text
Speaker 4: each other. Still Mario and I still keep in touch.
Speaker 4: We we do jiu jitsu separately, and we've done it
Speaker 4: actually together as well. But yeah, we've remained relatively connected
Speaker 4: over the years, and obviously when we did the reboot,
Speaker 4: yeah we got a little bit closer again. But everybody
Speaker 4: has families and lives and and and other things, but
Speaker 4: we reach out to each other every once, especially the
Speaker 4: chance to do comic cons. Yes, that's where we've been
Speaker 4: able to reconnect. One of these days, we'll try to
Speaker 4: get Tiffany out there to do one of them.
Speaker 3: I know she should.
Speaker 4: I think she'd have a good time.
Speaker 3: Are you doing nineties con in Tampa?
Speaker 4: I would like to. We had a good time at
Speaker 4: the other one. I don't know what city that was,
Speaker 4: but we had a.
Speaker 5: Hard Hartford, Hartford, Hartford, Connecticut, baby my birthplace.
Speaker 4: Oh was that right? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I went home for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had a good we had that was a
Speaker 4: really good show.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I feel like I'd like to do the next one,
Speaker 4: and I think the next one is in Tampa.
Speaker 1: Said, yeah, in September. I want you guys to do
Speaker 1: that one so we can all be together.
Speaker 4: Hey, reach out to Tiffany and try to get that going.
Speaker 4: That'll be a big one because she's never done a
Speaker 4: comic con.
Speaker 5: And that's a great one to start with.
Speaker 4: So that'd be a really good one for her to
Speaker 4: start with.
Speaker 5: Where do you Where do you study jiu jitsu?
Speaker 4: So I live here in San Diego some study now
Speaker 4: here in uh In in San Diego, I'm with Gracie Baja.
Speaker 5: Now, okay cool.
Speaker 4: So Mario is with Gracie Baja in Glendale and there's
Speaker 4: Gracie Bajas all over the place. Yeah, do you do?
Speaker 4: You do jiu jitsu? Will do?
Speaker 5: I'd like to start. I've been a UFC fan since
Speaker 5: UFC one, so I've been, but I've never actually gotten
Speaker 5: to roll at all. So yeah, it would be it
Speaker 5: would be fun to give it a try. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean it's just watching hoist Gracie back in the
Speaker 5: original days was one of the things that actually brought
Speaker 5: me into the sport.
Speaker 2: So love it.
Speaker 4: It's an amazing sport. I've been doing it since two
Speaker 4: thousand and nine and uh it just uh I just
Speaker 4: love everything about I love the culture. Yeah, I love
Speaker 4: how it makes me feel.
Speaker 5: And there's a great machida. There's a great machiitah Jim
Speaker 5: like five minutes from me. So I don't know about
Speaker 5: maybe checking it out somewhere, but I think it is
Speaker 5: Joe Rogan's old.
Speaker 4: Jim Macheita or machado.
Speaker 2: I think it's is it machado? Is that what it is?
Speaker 5: I thought it was.
Speaker 4: Is that, okay, Jean Jacques Machado.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know enough about that.
Speaker 4: There's one of the there's one of the I mean
Speaker 4: James Vanderbeek.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 5: Is that Machado? Okay, that's the one. Is that the
Speaker 5: one that that Rogan went to?
Speaker 4: And I believe so, I believe, So it's it's there
Speaker 4: in the valley, yeah, if you're Yeah, and it's great school. Obviously.
Speaker 4: Jean Jaques Machado is one of the godfathers of of
Speaker 4: jiu jitsu, and.
Speaker 2: I think him right here, Yeah, you dude not.
Speaker 4: I follow him on YouTube and he's doing videos almost
Speaker 4: every other day, and so I know that he's he's
Speaker 4: currently training at at that school at least I hope.
Speaker 5: So that's cool.
Speaker 4: Go check it out. It's it's such a it's such
Speaker 4: an inviting I mean, your hardest step is to make
Speaker 4: the decision to actually go. But once you walk in
Speaker 4: through that door, you're gonna be welcomed and everybody's gonna
Speaker 4: be cool, and you're gonna get your butt kicked and
Speaker 4: you're gonna love it.
Speaker 5: That's okay, Yeah, No, I'm that's I'd love to learn.
Speaker 5: I really have always wanted to learn, so I think
Speaker 5: that's cool.
Speaker 1: Well, Mark, Paul, thank you so much for taking this
Speaker 1: much time to sit here with us and reminisce and
Speaker 1: talk about all the things. I will start needling the
Speaker 1: nineties Contampa people about getting you out there and you
Speaker 1: start doing the direct text to Tiffany please and see
Speaker 1: if you can get her, convince her to do it,
Speaker 1: because that would be that would be amazing, sounds good.
Speaker 4: And let's not get the Dawson's Creek people there because
Speaker 4: we might get confused.
Speaker 3: I would talking to James Vanderbeek and.
Speaker 2: Coming on the.
Speaker 1: Podcast will be rolling with n Sham, rolling with and
Speaker 1: you're you're talking to James Vanderbeek.
Speaker 5: It's going to be a great, great day. While riter's going,
Speaker 5: I have no idea what the hell, no idea what
Speaker 5: any of.
Speaker 3: The things are that you're saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you again for taking the time. It
Speaker 1: really means a lot to us.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you, guys. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: We'll see you again soon. Bye bye.
Speaker 1: He's so nice, He's I can't believe how many similarities
Speaker 1: I have to like the same, like him going back
Speaker 1: to his regular school. And then you know, I mean
Speaker 1: all the same stuffing to him.
Speaker 3: You didn't get to talk to him then at the
Speaker 3: last con.
Speaker 2: No, no, I know you go, yeah, I saw him,
Speaker 2: I met him.
Speaker 4: I've said hi.
Speaker 2: I think maybe like I've shaken his hand before, but like, no,
Speaker 2: like this was. He's such a good guy.
Speaker 1: He's a really he's really like down to earth, like
Speaker 1: he's somebody we could have like a you have a
Speaker 1: real normal there's no put on.
Speaker 3: Airs about him, yeah, which is rare refreshing. Yeah, it's refreshing.
Speaker 2: I mean it's just part of being an actor that
Speaker 2: you usually are good at putting on errors, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so you do it all the time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's been he's been working like steadily at forty
Speaker 5: years or so. I mean, it's insane.
Speaker 2: It's insane, literally, and he and he constantly he's.
Speaker 5: He's a great example of reinventing yourself when you need
Speaker 5: to in the industry while staying true to who you are. Yep,
Speaker 5: you know, he's it's it seems like he's always that guy.
Speaker 5: But he will go and do like you said, a
Speaker 5: Stephen Botchko show, he'll go. I mean it's like he
Speaker 5: becomes who he has to become.
Speaker 2: He's a real team actor, right, Like he always he's
Speaker 2: just there to work and always, you know, and that's
Speaker 2: so healthy, Like I feel like for me, like part
Speaker 2: of the reason I had to stop acting was because
Speaker 2: I was so obsessed with like what kind of project
Speaker 2: am I in?
Speaker 4: What is this?
Speaker 5: You know? As an artist?
Speaker 4: Does this reflect?
Speaker 2: And it's like at a certain point, it's very healthy
Speaker 2: as an actor to be like, doesn't matter, I'm working
Speaker 2: to do my job. And I'm working, and I'm working
Speaker 2: and alive, and like it keeps you in vitalized, like
Speaker 2: revitalizes you no matter what it is, just to be doing,
Speaker 2: just to be acting, just to be working.
Speaker 5: And but it's also to watch if you go back
Speaker 5: and watch some of the early Save by the Bells,
Speaker 5: then you go and watch like or to NYPD Blue
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. To see the progression of him
Speaker 5: just as an actor is really impressive. I mean it
Speaker 5: really is.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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