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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi. Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death.

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Speaker 3: On today's episode, where we are going to be talking

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Speaker 3: about Jeffrey Epstein victim Virginia Jeffree is a parent's suicide,

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Speaker 3: public masturbation that is definitely an outrageous story, why white

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Speaker 3: meat seems to be bad for you now, and a

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Speaker 3: mortuary owner who is doing some really bizarre experiments on

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Speaker 3: dead people. So much to talk about on today's episode,

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Speaker 3: but let's get started with this bizarre case of Virginia Geffree.

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Speaker 3: All right, first, I want to say sorry for my voice,

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Speaker 3: but I am a victim of the pollen outside. It

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Speaker 3: has been a brutal past couple of days, barely been

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Speaker 3: able to breathe, but you're just.

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Speaker 1: Gonna have to get through it. So a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks ago, we had reported that Virginia Duffree, who's one

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Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein's most notable accusers, had posted that she

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Speaker 1: was in this really bizarre accident with a bus and

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Speaker 1: that doctors had given her only.

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Speaker 2: Four days to live.

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Speaker 1: But as the days had passed, this information was coming

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Speaker 1: out that it seemed like her story wasn't adding up

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Speaker 1: and it wasn't true, and people were reporting that there

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Speaker 1: was a bus accident, but it wasn't that bad and

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Speaker 1: nobody had been reportedly hurt from it. And then because

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Speaker 1: of that, everybody started, you know, questioning if she was

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Speaker 1: making it up, and if she was making this up?

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Speaker 1: Did she make everything else up with Jeffrey Epstein. But

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Speaker 1: now a couple of weeks has passed since that incident

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Speaker 1: and she has been found dead in an apparent suicide.

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Speaker 3: So when she went to the hospital after this accident

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Speaker 3: that she was in, I guess they were saying that

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Speaker 3: the police never went to the accident because they weren't available,

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Speaker 3: and they said if anybody had been injured, to go

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Speaker 3: but like way after the accident happened, and she said

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Speaker 3: when she obviously had bruises all over her body when

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Speaker 3: photo that she posted on social media. But the source

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Speaker 3: didn't tell them where the bruises came from, which is

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Speaker 3: really bizarre. So that came out and then what about

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Speaker 3: the husband.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so after the criticism started coming out about the accident.

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Speaker 1: Then she came forward and said that she was a

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Speaker 1: victim of abuse at the hands of her husband. And

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Speaker 1: before her death, her family had come out and said

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Speaker 1: that there was an alleged incident in January where I

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Speaker 1: guess her and her husband have been separated since twenty

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Speaker 1: celebrate one of her kid's birthdays and allegedly the husband

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Speaker 1: had beat her up so badly that she almost lost

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Speaker 1: her life.

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Speaker 2: And at that time, so then.

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Speaker 1: The husband somehow was able to get this emergency restraining

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Speaker 1: order against her, saying she had been violent. A couple

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Speaker 1: which violated that order. She was supposed to appear in

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Speaker 1: court in I think on April ninth, definitely the beginning

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Speaker 1: this bus accident happened. Also, a week before the bus

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Speaker 1: of her children with the caption along the lines of

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Speaker 1: like my sweet children, you've been poisoned with incorrect information.

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Speaker 3: So to sum this up, he beat the crap out

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Speaker 3: of her, somehow turned it around on her, and then

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Speaker 3: she got her kids taken away from her temporarily allegedly. Yes,

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Speaker 3: that's what it sounds like happened. Okay, so that's a

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: I remember when we talked about this a couple of

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Speaker 3: And then you have to start thinking, like, is she

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Speaker 3: first thing that I thought of was, well, if she

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Speaker 3: of course, when I heard this a couple of weeks later,

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Speaker 3: and of course anything associated with this WLD Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 2: But so apparently.

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Speaker 3: Police got a call to her house and that there

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Speaker 3: so that to me means that she likely could have

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Speaker 3: been already dead. We don't know, but they said they

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Speaker 3: it's not suspicious for anything like foul play or anything

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Speaker 3: self inflicted gunshot wound or something like that. But they

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Speaker 3: still have to investigate to death because, as we know,

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Speaker 3: people always not always, but people kill people and try

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Speaker 3: going to do a thorough investigation, especially with her because

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Speaker 3: she's such a high profile person and there's people that

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Speaker 3: likely would want to kill her.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and I think it's worth bringing up this

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Speaker 1: social media post she made a couple months after Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: Epstein's suicide where she had said that a lot of

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Speaker 1: people wanted her quiet, and at that time, you know,

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Speaker 1: she was by no means suicidal. But we actually cover

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Speaker 1: this in the Grocery Miessterday, and I thought you made

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Speaker 1: a really good point that, yes, she did make this

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Speaker 1: but a lot has gone down in her life in

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Speaker 1: the last six years since she made that post.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, really, in anyone's life, if you talk

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Speaker 3: lot of people's lives have drastically changed because of everything

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Speaker 3: that's been going on. But yes, since then, so Jeffrey

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Speaker 3: Epstein had already you know, killed himself in air quotes

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Speaker 3: since then, there's been multiple records that have been released.

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Speaker 3: There's supposed to be more records coming out, and there's

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Speaker 1: Well, you have to imagine every single time there's news

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Speaker 3: Victims of sex abuse between ages six and seventeen are

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Speaker 3: at a higher risk of psychopathy chronic suicidal thoughts PTSD,

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Speaker 3: so it doesn't seem unlikely that she was going through that.

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Speaker 3: And really what makes me think that she was was

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Speaker 3: the statement that was given by her family, which basically said,

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Speaker 2: To be surprised about it, which makes.

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Speaker 3: Me think they definitely, you know, she's been going through

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Speaker 2: But Maria and I.

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Speaker 3: Did a high profile death of section on this yesterday

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it started from when she was a child.

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Speaker 1: She had claimed that a family friend had sexually abused her,

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Speaker 3: And then they'll also do testing toxicology to make sure

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Speaker 3: And that's going to take a while. So that's why

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Speaker 3: But the other part of the death investigation is that

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Speaker 3: So they'll do her social history and see because it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean regardless of the high profile nature of

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Speaker 1: This is so weird. So there's this waterfront park in

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Speaker 2: Have you ever been to a nude beach? No, but

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Speaker 3: I guess that it's been increasingly becoming more than just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I understand the point you're trying to make

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Speaker 3: And I don't blame them, because there are new beaches

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Speaker 3: Like it's like police need to arrest these people and

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Speaker 1: Keep doing a man either, It's like most oh no,

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Speaker 1: So I guess the community is suing the city, being like,

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Speaker 2: Like I don't give a shit what.

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Speaker 3: People do, Like they're all over the place, and as

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Speaker 2: It's just really not that.

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Speaker 1: Did you see this that last year of the city

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Speaker 3: This is this is really the best part of the story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I.

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Speaker 1: Personally don't think it matters like what kind of setting

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like when I was in France and went on

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Speaker 1: It is sad. I don't know if this person didn't

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Speaker 3: you're gonna devote everything in your power to taking care

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Speaker 3: of them.

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Speaker 1: But in this case, instead of resorting to murdering child,

442
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Speaker 1: you should certainly be trying to give them a better

443
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Speaker 1: opportunity at life and having another family take them on.

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Speaker 3: But sometimes in cases that we talk about, these people

445
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Speaker 3: have such they're like sociopaths. You could sit there and

446
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Speaker 3: just be like, so you're living in an apartment and

447
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 3: the kids a lot to handle, and you stick a

448
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Speaker 3: live human being that your child strapped in a stroller

449
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Speaker 3: and put her in the closet and just walk away

450
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Speaker 3: and move out, and that's the end.

451
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Speaker 2: Of the story. Like she shouldn't deserve to live.

452
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Speaker 3: On this planet anymore. Like she's never going to be

453
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Speaker 3: rehabilitated in my opinion, Like it's, well.

454
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Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying. She should be strapped in

455
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Speaker 1: something and shoved in the closet and left to starve

456
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Speaker 1: to death.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they never do anything like that, and listen, like

458
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Speaker 3: maybe she's got underlying mental illness or maybe she's just

459
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Speaker 3: plain evil whatever, but it's it's such a gross story.

460
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Speaker 3: And starving to death is painful and there's just a

461
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Speaker 3: lot more to the story too, because I think the

462
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Speaker 3: prosecutor was like, uh, you know, I just want her

463
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Speaker 3: family to know that now she maybe they can rest

464
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Speaker 3: knowing that she's in jail for not enough. But like,

465
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Speaker 3: but so when they statement like that, though, I'm like,

466
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 3: so the prosecutors trying to reassure a family that didn't

467
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,479
Speaker 3: know that their seven year old family member was missing

468
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Speaker 3: for months, Like and I don't know, Like I just

469
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Speaker 3: there's something about the story, like I just don't I

470
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Speaker 3: don't buy it.

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Speaker 2: How how's a kid? How's a seven year old kid?

472
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Speaker 3: Just like not heard from or known, there's no friends,

473
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Speaker 3: there's no it's it's the whole entire thing to me,

474
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Speaker 3: is is nuts. And then if she moved out of

475
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Speaker 3: the apartment, that did no one move into the apartment?

476
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Speaker 3: Who found the kid? I didn't hear anything else about

477
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Speaker 3: the story. It's just it's just crazy. And then again,

478
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Speaker 3: think about cops getting a phone call. You get a

479
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Speaker 3: phone call, either the cops send the medical examiner's office

480
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Speaker 3: that there's a dead kid strapped in a stroller in

481
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Speaker 3: a closet, Like, how does that not haunt you for the.

482
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Speaker 2: Rest of your career?

483
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Speaker 1: I don't.

484
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Speaker 3: And then the kids mammified, like just left there, just

485
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Speaker 3: like just like trash.

486
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Speaker 2: It's just it's so sick. Well, if the mother.

487
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Speaker 1: Pleaded guilty to murder, it was sentenced to life without parole.

488
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Speaker 1: I just think when it comes to the murder of children,

489
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Speaker 1: especially in this nature, this child suffered, She's starved to death.

490
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Speaker 1: I'm not even trying to be like Nancy about it,

491
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Speaker 1: like I'm just I can't imagine the suffering this little

492
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Speaker 1: kid went through. And then this mom's just like gonna

493
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Speaker 1: be in jail the rest of her life. It's just

494
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Speaker 1: it's just not enough. In certain cases like this, it

495
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Speaker 1: is just not enough.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And unfortunately it was the perfect and this is

497
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Speaker 3: this is maybe part of the problem as to why

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Speaker 3: because normally, if a person, even a little seven year

499
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Speaker 3: old person, died in an apartment building, you would smell it, right,

500
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Speaker 3: it would the smell decomposition. But sometimes when you're when

501
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Speaker 3: a person's decomposing and the conditions are just right, the

502
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 3: person might the decomposition process might stop and it could

503
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Speaker 3: start the mummification process. And in this particular situation, this

504
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Speaker 3: child was in that perfect of a situation where she

505
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: was starved, so she was dehydrated and had less fluid

506
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Speaker 3: in her body than she should have to begin with.

507
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Speaker 3: And who knows if she was even treated well beforehand.

508
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Speaker 3: That they're not going to be able to tell much.

509
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Speaker 3: I mean, they'll be able to see if she had

510
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Speaker 3: broken bones that were healed and things like that, but

511
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Speaker 3: I mean the appearance of her soft tissue and everything

512
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Speaker 3: is not as ideal to do an examination for abuse

513
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 3: in that situation. But so, she was dehydrated, and bacteria

514
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 3: need water in order to They need moisture and water

515
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Speaker 3: in order to replicate and to break down the body.

516
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Speaker 3: And then further things can break down the body to

517
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Speaker 3: cause decomposition, like a flies in the apartment and then

518
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Speaker 3: the fly lands on top of a person and it

519
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Speaker 3: lays eggs, and then those eggs turn into maggots, and

520
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 3: then that aids in the decomposition process as well. But

521
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Speaker 3: the bacteria is breaking down the body is what causes

522
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Speaker 3: that terrible smell that we associate with a dead body decomposing.

523
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Speaker 3: But when you're in a dark closet that's dry, and

524
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Speaker 3: your body's dehydrated, it's the perfect environment for mummification. So

525
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Speaker 3: and it often it doesn't smell that bad, like you

526
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Speaker 3: might get up on it and it would be a

527
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 3: little bit foul, But sometimes it doesn't smell at all,

528
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Speaker 3: so that would be likely why no one around was

529
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Speaker 2: All Right, this case pisses me off so bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this baby was born on March thirty first, with

550
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Speaker 1: complex congenital heart disease how to procedure, and was scheduled

551
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Speaker 1: to go home on April sixteenth. So before he was discharged,

552
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Speaker 1: the family decided that we're going to have a circumcision.

553
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Speaker 1: It ended up being botched, and now the baby's in

554
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Speaker 1: even worse condition.

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Speaker 2: I hate hearing this story.

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Speaker 3: So this happened at New York Presbyterian Morgan Stanley's Children's Hospital,

557
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: like a pretty big deal hospital that you would never

558
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Speaker 3: expect such sloppiness to happen. And I guess the kid

559
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: was diagnosed with the concentat all hearts deformity when he

560
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 3: was in utero, and they told the parents, listen, when

561
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Speaker 3: you have this kid, they're they're gonna need a little

562
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Speaker 3: bit of surgery and like a smaller surgery and he

563
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Speaker 3: should go on to live a normal life.

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Speaker 2: And so they didn't think anything much of it.

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Speaker 3: And apparently the kid had heart surgery, okay, open heart

566
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Speaker 3: surgery as a as a newborn infant and survived it

567
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Speaker 3: and was fine. So he was scheduled to get a circumcision,

568
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Speaker 3: and he was actually supposed to be going home within

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Speaker 3: a day or two, because that's he was at the

570
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Speaker 3: end of his hospital stay, and they decided to do

571
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Speaker 3: it at eleven o'clock at night, which I don't really

572
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Speaker 3: know anything about what happens in the hospital when that's scared.

573
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Speaker 3: It might but I don't know because there's doctors there.

574
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Speaker 3: I don't even know what doctor does it. Honestly, I

575
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Speaker 3: don't know if the obstetrician does it. I don't I

576
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Speaker 3: don't know who does it. I have no idea about

577
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Speaker 3: it because I'm telling you right now, like I have

578
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Speaker 3: three girls, but if I had a way, they were

579
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Speaker 3: never getting circumcised because and this is actually proof to

580
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Speaker 3: my point, because the dad had written this Facebook post

581
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Speaker 3: about oh, my son was going in to get this

582
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Speaker 3: minor simple thing done and this and that, and it's

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Speaker 3: just like I think that a lot of people just

584
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Speaker 3: think that it's like this nothing thing, and there's from

585
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Speaker 3: all the cases that I've seen, the complications and all

586
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Speaker 3: messing with that crucial area and a man, no thanks.

587
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Speaker 3: I just I'm not into it at all. I just

588
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Speaker 3: don't think it's necessary. But people could do whatever they

589
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Speaker 3: want to do. That's just my personal opinion. So I

590
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Speaker 3: don't know anything about it, but apparently they were doing

591
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Speaker 3: it at eleven o'clock at night, and he started having

592
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Speaker 3: severe bleeding afterwards, to the point where the nurse said

593
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Speaker 3: that she went in and saw that the the bedding

594
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Speaker 3: was soiled with blood, and to me, I feel like,

595
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Speaker 3: as a nurse, that should be very alarming that that's

596
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Speaker 3: a significant amount of blood for that procedure. And apparently

597
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Speaker 3: I don't know if it was a fellow that was there.

598
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 3: So a fellow is a person that had went to

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Speaker 3: medical school, finished residency and is maybe doing a specialty

600
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Speaker 3: in that field, but is not yet an attending physician,

601
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Speaker 3: which is when you know you're the top level of

602
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 3: the doctor in that situation. So a fellow is still

603
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Speaker 3: someone that technically a doctor but still in training. So

604
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Speaker 3: throughout the night there were multiple checks done, and apparently

605
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Speaker 3: it just seemed like the bleeding didn't really stop, but

606
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Speaker 3: they went on for hours and hours and hours, and

607
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Speaker 3: it wasn't until the morning that they decided to take

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Speaker 3: blood work from this kid and they found that his

609
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Speaker 3: hemoglobin was so low that he lost one third of

610
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Speaker 3: his blood and needed to get multiple transfusions. So what

611
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Speaker 3: happens in that case is when your body doesn't have

612
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Speaker 3: enough blood, it starts pulling the blood from other or

613
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Speaker 3: from your organs to keep you alive, and unfortunately.

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Speaker 2: That caused his bowl to die.

615
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: His bow his colon died, so they had to cut

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Speaker 3: him open and do emergency surgery to remove his dead

617
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Speaker 3: boll so he wouldn't die. Twenty blood transfusions this kid's had.

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Speaker 3: The worst part is is before any of this went down,

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Speaker 3: So because they took so long to figure any of

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Speaker 3: this out, the mom. So the mom's not there because

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Speaker 3: this kid was born early and has been in the

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Speaker 3: hospital for this this heart's effect and the surgery.

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Speaker 2: So the mom's not admitted. She had the baby a

624
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Speaker 2: while ago.

625
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Speaker 3: So the kid is scheduled to get this procedure done

626
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Speaker 3: at night. She comes in in the morning thinking she's

627
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Speaker 3: going to start discussing releasing the kid back home, and

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Speaker 3: she finds him pale and like unconscious, like he looks

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Speaker 3: like he's dying and fine, I just can't imagine what's

630
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Speaker 3: happening here, but they were sending so they finally sent

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Speaker 3: the blood. They figured this out, but this was all

632
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Speaker 3: like in the time when the mom was just arriving

633
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Speaker 3: in the morning, so she saw she saw the baby

634
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Speaker 3: looking like this. They started doing all this work up,

635
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Speaker 3: they found out that the kid was severely anemic, losing blood,

636
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Speaker 3: and I just I really just don't know what happened.

637
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Speaker 3: It looks like they were having a hard time getting

638
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Speaker 3: a line.

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Speaker 2: On the kid.

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Speaker 3: They didn't let the attending physician, so that's really the

641
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Speaker 3: one that's in charge no something until like eight thirty

642
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Speaker 3: in the morning during a shift change. So I don't

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Speaker 3: know if it was just like nurses and residents and

644
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Speaker 3: fellows that were just trying to handle this themselves.

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Speaker 1: But let me let me just tell ask you this.

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Speaker 1: So obviously, if this was a normal situation and he

647
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Speaker 1: hadn't been he hadn't had the procedure and had to

648
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Speaker 1: stay longer to the mom and she was in the

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Speaker 1: room with him still, obviously I would assume somebody would

650
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Speaker 1: have found it a little sooner because the family would

651
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Speaker 1: have been holding the baby and somebody would have been

652
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Speaker 1: checking on.

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Speaker 2: The baby moork.

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Speaker 1: So to me, this seems like after the procedure was done,

655
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Speaker 1: he was clearly not being checked up.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: Though the alarming part is that he was checked up

658
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 3: on multiple times. Yeah, he was checked at two point

659
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 3: thirty in the morning, three o'clock in the morning, five o'clock.

660
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: There's all documentation like someone.

661
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 3: Kept going in and saying like it's blating a lot,

662
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 3: let's change it, let's do this, let's do that. But

663
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 3: they never did anything else to see what was happening.

664
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: And when I'm I'm just trying to be like.

665
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 3: What happened, okay, because obviously there could be it could

666
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: be botched. I don't even necessarily know if the circumcision

667
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: was done incorrectly.

668
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 2: The thing is is that I don't know what.

669
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: The kids underlying congenital heart issue is, but there's a

670
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: possibility that he could have been on some kind of

671
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: medications and blood thinners because of it, and that would

672
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 3: cause even a minor injury to bleed a lot.

673
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: Well, if that was my next question was if they

674
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: really wanted the circumcision done, were they not advised properly

675
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: to wait a certain amount of time because he just

676
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: had this pretty serious Well that's that's not.

677
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 3: That that wouldn't they wouldn't say, okay, well, you know

678
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 3: the risk a kid might bleed to death, Like, they

679
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: wouldn't do that, Like, if they thought it was that risky,

680
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 3: they would just wait and not do it. Yet, So

681
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know, like I don't work there

682
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 3: and stuff, but and obviously there's more to the story,

683
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 3: but the bottom line is is like the dad's not lying.

684
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 3: All of this happened, and you have to sit there

685
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 3: and say, like, why what happened? Because something isn't right.

686
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 3: And and this is why I fucking hate circumcisions because

687
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: I hear listen, like I think ninety percent of people

688
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 3: or ninety five percent of people that get them done

689
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: have no issues. But when there's complications, you just sit

690
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 3: there and you're like, oh my god, Like my kid

691
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: didn't even have to have this. And now I have

692
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 3: a case in the gross room of a kid that

693
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 3: got his penis amputated by accident. He has no penis, yes,

694
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 3: because of this, Like his penis got cut in half

695
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 3: because of a circumcision. And then you're just like, oh

696
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 3: my god, that just didn't even need to happen. So

697
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 3: I don't know, like it just it freaks me out

698
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: a little bit, or the infections or this and that, And.

699
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: I understand your hesitance with it and why you're against it,

700
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: But I think if we really look statistically at the

701
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: problems versus how many of these are performed today. I mean, really,

702
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: there can't be that many issues compared to how many

703
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: of these are performed.

704
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 2: Everything. I don't care.

705
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 3: I personally wouldn't take the risk, but that's that's just me.

706
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like, we hear about these really horrible

707
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: situations that happen, and there's obviously a lot more that

708
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: are unreported or not in the news. But you have

709
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: to think about how there's definitely a lot of the

710
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 3: dumb that are done as well that people don't report

711
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: because it just causes people. I mean, you hear men

712
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: complaining about sometimes like oh yeah, that's always been like

713
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 3: that and stuff like that, and I don't know, I

714
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: feel like if you interviewed most dudes, they wouldn't want

715
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 3: like huge peace of their penis missing. Now I'm pretty

716
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 3: sure about that. But whatever, people could do whatever they

717
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 3: want to do. I think that it and it's just

718
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 3: like everything else in the world, there's always risks with everything.

719
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: But to me, I'm just like just going back in

720
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 3: time with this kid, You're just like, oh my god,

721
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 3: this kid had to have so now he had a

722
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 3: bow resection, so he's going to have adhesions.

723
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: If this kid even.

724
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: Survives all this because this is a lot for a

725
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 3: little body to go through. He's a couple I don't

726
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 3: even know. I think he's a couple weeks old, right,

727
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 3: He has now had open heart surgery, open abdomen surgery,

728
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: all those adhesions. He's going to maybe deal with issues

729
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: from lifelong twenty blood transfusions. Not to mention, they said

730
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 3: that there might be signs that he has encephalopathy, which

731
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: is he's having some kind of or encephalitis. He's having

732
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: some kind of inflammation with his brain, which may be

733
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 3: due to the lack of oxygen he was getting because

734
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: he had a lack of blood flow, which I mean,

735
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: these are problems that could affect the rest of this

736
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: kid's life. On top of that, his mom obviously is

737
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 3: so stressed out that she stopped producing milk and now

738
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: she can't even breastfeed her kid, and the kid has

739
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 3: to have a.

740
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: Tube feeding anyway. The whole thing is so upsetting.

741
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 3: And it just makes it makes me think of a

742
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: couple situations that I've heard of one I've had personally

743
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 3: where for whatever reason, the attending doctors go home at

744
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 3: night and there's these gaps where like the residents and

745
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: fellows are kind of watching over things and shit, bad

746
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: shit goes down. I feel like we had a story

747
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: on that recently on Mother Knows Death, but I personally

748
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 3: know of a story of that as well, so I

749
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 3: guess that was the dad is just bringing this up,

750
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: like this is supposed to be one of the best

751
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 3: hospitals in the entire country, Like why were people watching

752
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 3: this baby not who just had surgery?

753
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: Weren't doing the proper thing. I just hope that hospital.

754
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the hospital has to be doing an investigation,

755
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: but they need to figure out exactly the whole thing is.

756
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: Who cares though the parent? Okay, the parents are going

757
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 2: to get five million dollars, who cares?

758
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: It's not about the money. I'm saying, like they need

759
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: to investigate this so it doesn't happen to another patient.

760
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like it keeps stuff keeps happening, because.

761
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: If this baby survives this, that's a miracle. But it

762
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: is like total unnecessary stress this family has to go

763
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: through when they already knew going into the berth that

764
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,959
Speaker 1: they were going to be having issues with the kid.

765
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 3: And I mean, I know, I one of one of

766
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 3: my little nephews through a friend it had open heart

767
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 3: surgery and was born with a congenital heart defect, like

768
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 3: this is has that really doesn't. The only thing that

769
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 3: has to do with it is maybe, like I said,

770
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 3: doublood banners or whatever, like that kid was gonna be fine.

771
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 3: That has nothing to do with what happened there. And

772
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 3: I just don't know. I really hope they update on

773
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 3: it on this story because I want to read what

774
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 3: happens because I just can't believe it, or if any

775
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 3: of you know any more about the story, please let

776
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 3: us know.

777
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to this new study that's

778
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 1: come out to say that eating white meat can shorten

779
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: your life.

780
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 2: I just like hate life so much.

781
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: It's always inspected by big red meat. Though, like there's

782
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: a lot of I don't know, to be there's like

783
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: some inconsistencies with this study.

784
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: What do you think?

785
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 3: No, it was published in a journal called nutrition. I

786
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 3: don't know, well, I actually don't know who funded the study.

787
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 2: But it was in a meta it was in a medical.

788
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 3: I honestly like, let's let me tell about the study

789
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 3: and then and then we'll go from there. So, this

790
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 3: was a large study that took place in southern Italy

791
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 3: over the course of many years with four and sixty

792
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 3: nine people, So that's a lot. And they were studying years. Yeah,

793
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 3: for eighteen years. They were studying what they were eating

794
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: every single day, and they found that if you ate

795
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: more than ten ounces of white meat like chicken per week,

796
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 3: which is not really a whole lot, No, it was

797
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 3: linked to in twenty seven percent increase in all cause

798
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 3: deaths and more than double the rate of gastro intestinal cancer. Okay,

799
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 3: that's kind of huge, and it's especially huge because when

800
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 3: I was growing up now, I think when I was

801
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 3: growing up, it was like, oh, red meat's good for you,

802
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 3: And then there was this whole movement in like the

803
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 3: nineties that was like, red meat's terrible for you. You have

804
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 3: to eat chicken all the time for every single meal.

805
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 3: And I know people that are still doing that to

806
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 3: this day. And now they're saying that it contradicts that

807
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 3: study that red meat was causing GI cancer.

808
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: Yes, but I want to say they said they were

809
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: studying the lifestyle habits of the participants. They were also

810
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: self reporting what they were eating, so they could have

811
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: been lying, and they were reporting the way in which

812
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: they were eating it. So like was this people who

813
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: ate Like so they're saying at the end of the study,

814
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 1: like the best way to eat it is bake or broiled.

815
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: So were these people that were eating it bakeer broiled

816
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: or were these people that were eating it deep fried

817
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: every day?

818
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 3: Like I think I just personally listen, like I don't

819
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 3: even think that it matters. I don't even think any

820
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 3: of this matters anyway, because all of these four eight

821
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty nine people, like, yes, they were eating

822
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: chicken whatever, but like they could have been doing other

823
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 3: similar things that had nothing to do with what they

824
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 3: were eating or exposures.

825
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: They're all Italian, assuming that they all live in South Italy.

826
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: They don't.

827
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe they have some immigrants there, but it's

828
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 3: mostly all Italian people that have maybe similar geans and

829
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 3: protective jeans and mutations that they could have and things

830
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 3: like that.

831
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: So that alarms me too. And like we've talked about

832
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: this before.

833
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 3: I definitely have told you this that when you I

834
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 3: learned about this in school freaking twenty five years ago,

835
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 3: that that cooking meat on the barbecue is terrible for you.

836
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 3: It increases your risk for cancer, it gets summa cancer.

837
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: I want to say that that wasn't information that I

838
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: really retained because I've always had the understanding that grilled

839
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: chicken was the healthiest chicken.

840
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 3: No, no, Like, listen, I'm not saying to never have

841
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 3: barbecue because it's delicious, but when you're cooking, when you

842
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 3: cook anything, it's the same exact thing with weed and

843
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 3: cigarettes and everything else. Like when you are cooking something

844
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 3: and making it a high temperature, it changes the chemical

845
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 3: composition of all of it, so it's it's no longer

846
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 3: has the same exact health things as it did when

847
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 3: it was a raw or slightly cooked piece of chicken.

848
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 3: It the char has been known to cause cancer, and

849
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 3: that's that's been a thing forever. So you're definitely not

850
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: supposed to eat meat like that, like multiple times a week,

851
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 3: with blackened from burned on the grill, like it's it's

852
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 3: terrible for you. And obviously, like because I think another

853
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 3: study came out this week too that highly processed food

854
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 3: in general is an increased risk for cancer, which is obviously.

855
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: You know what's funny though, today, So whenever Gabe is

856
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 3: at work or something and I drive the kids to

857
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: school myself, I always call my dad on the way home,

858
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 3: and he always just talks about like when he was

859
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: a kid and this and that. Now my dad's eighty, right,

860
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: he was telling me today about how they used to

861
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 3: go swimming in the Delaware River and there were all

862
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: rats on the end of the river and he said

863
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 3: it was so dirty and there was an oil slick

864
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 3: and when they used to they used to go in

865
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 3: their shorts and he said they would go in the

866
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 3: water and when they came out of the water, their

867
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 3: skin was like covered in black.

868
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: And I'm just like and like.

869
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 3: Now to think about that, like that would never ever happen, right,

870
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 3: or like rarely happen, I should say, because I guess

871
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: kids could get into something. But you're just like this

872
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 3: might be why you people get can when you're older,

873
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 3: because like I don't know.

874
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: Like that he's defying all odds of people that get

875
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: this stuff though, because he smoked when he was like

876
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: a little kid, basically, and then he has stories like this.

877
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 1: He was also a mechanic, being exposed to horrible fumes

878
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: and grease his entire life. And then he eats a

879
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: bag of marshmallows like every day. And he's eighty years old,

880
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: so it's like he's defied all science.

881
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: He's genetic scien genetically, he's Southern Italian, and you know

882
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 3: what's you know what's interesting too because pop Up was

883
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 3: like so excited when this study came out because he

884
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 3: hates chicken, and now he's like, maybe your mom will

885
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 3: stop cooking it because I hate.

886
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: It and I kind of do too, honestly, So I'm

887
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: kind of.

888
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: Glad that I just brought this stuff recently to Louie

889
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: because I was like, he went on this, I'll never

890
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: forget that the only day he's ever yelled at me

891
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 1: when he told me I was the most negative person

892
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: with to like, no, have you met your other two

893
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: daughters and your wife first of all? But it was

894
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 1: the day that goes down in history is the day

895
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: he yelled at me. But he also did this tight

896
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: ten about how he hated chicken and then proceeded to

897
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: eat all of our gluten free chicken fingers even though

898
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: it was the only thing we could eat at dinner

899
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: that day.

900
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but he like chicken. I don't like it.

901
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 3: I don't like cooking it and touching it. It's just

902
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 3: gross to me. It has a weird smell that grosses me.

903
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 3: Out and I don't. I don't really like the taste.

904
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 3: I just think it's like dry and whatever. And I

905
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 3: but I cook it because I'm like, oh, this is

906
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: a good thing to cook for my family. And now

907
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 3: I'm kind of like, oh, I'll cite this study even

908
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 3: though I think that there's a lot of holes in it.

909
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 3: This is the problem because like they put out a

910
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 3: study like this, and now this might affect businesses because

911
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: of this, Like it's because people will be scared, and

912
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 3: they don't they they really are just like we don't

913
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: know what the connection is, so so really then it's

914
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: like it doesn't exist as of right now. I mean,

915
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 3: obviously I think they give like I guess that's why

916
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 3: they're saying to use processed chicken, because they'd probably give

917
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 3: them like.

918
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 2: A shit ton of hormones and stuff.

919
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 3: I had some chicken the other day that I got

920
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 3: at the grocery store, and I couldn't believe how big

921
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 3: the piece of chicken was, and I was just like, dude,

922
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 3: this is not normal, Like I don't know what the

923
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 3: hell they gave this chicken.

924
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, I cut it in half.

925
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 3: Three times, like like sliced it long ways, and it

926
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 3: was it made like three normal sized chicken breast. It

927
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 3: was just crazy and I'm just it like grosses me

928
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 3: out because I'm like, ew, what are they giving these

929
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 3: things to be this plump and stuff.

930
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: I forced myself to eat chicken because I was under

931
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: the assumption it was healthier. I still really like want

932
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: to do a deeper dive in this study because it's

933
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: giving conspiracy that Big beefs behind it, because they're having

934
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: this moment right now, you know, yellow stones highlighting these

935
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: these cattle farms or these cattle ranches and how it's

936
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: like this old American job that's being pushed out and

937
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: this could be a good moment for them to come back.

938
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 3: Well, but they're not saying that you should eat meat instead,

939
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 3: Like if the study was like, you know what, you

940
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 3: should switch to cow because they have their cows, actually

941
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 3: have their.

942
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: Actually the dietician I was interviewed for this said they

943
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: eat fish. So maybe big fish is sponsoring this, yeah,

944
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: study and.

945
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 3: You'll get mercury poisoning. It's just like whatever, this is,

946
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 3: this is the thing of the week. Remember it was

947
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 3: just like don't drink tap water. Okay, we don't drink

948
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 3: tap water an now.

949
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: It's like you're getting cancer from the bottled water. Like

950
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: it's just like, make up your freaking mind. People.

951
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: I also just saw a graphic on Instagram that could

952
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 1: have been totally fake, but it was something like sixty

953
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: eight percent of our bottled water is just tap water.

954
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, shit out, Like.

955
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 3: No it is. I've always been saying that. I'm just

956
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 3: like this is like I'm telling you. When pop Up

957
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 3: for when I first told him that I saw bottled

958
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 3: water in the store when I was a kid, he

959
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 3: was just like, what.

960
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: Kind of a stupid ass? We pay money for water

961
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: in a bottle? Think about this.

962
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 3: It's like a multi gajillion dollar industry, and yeah.

963
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 1: Think about this full like picture. Historically, so people literally

964
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: used to have to drink alcohol because it was cleaner

965
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: than drinking the tap water. And now the clean water

966
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 1: quote unquote we have is poisoning us in a different way.

967
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 3: But if they're yeah, like if they're putting the tap

968
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 3: water we shouldn't be drinking into a bottle, then it's

969
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 3: actually making it worse because of the plastics. Yes, think

970
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 3: about that for a second.

971
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: Really, historically, you've never won with the food, Like it's

972
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: kind of amazing. We've lived this long because it's the

973
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: humans considering all this, So I don't know why everybody

974
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: acts all surprised by this. It's actually been happening historically

975
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: for thousands of years.

976
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: So I don't wait.

977
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 3: Do you think next we're gonna find out that ozempic's

978
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 3: like really bad for you or something?

979
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: Though, No, that would never happen.

980
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk about mortuary owners doing experiments on dead bodies.

981
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, this mortuary we owner in Austin has been arrested

982
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: after investigators found she may have forged many death certificates

983
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: and cut limbs off of corpses to conduct embombing experiments.

984
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 3: All right, So I don't really exactly know what was

985
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 3: happening here, but it's this I'm gonna try to explain

986
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 3: it to you how I think it was happening. She

987
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 3: she uh does cremation and she does embombing, And I

988
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 3: guess that she was getting bodies and before she was

989
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 3: cremating them, she would cut off their body parts to

990
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 3: do these experiments before. It seems like once she did

991
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 3: the experiments, she was putting it and cremating it, although

992
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 3: it wasn't clear if it was saying that she was

993
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 3: keeping the body parts with the person because really, like

994
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 3: I have Gabe's mom here in ashes, Jen's got her dad, Like,

995
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 3: how would you really know if the ashes from the

996
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 3: arm weren't in there, you know what I mean, Like

997
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 3: a regular person wouldn't know? Is this how big the

998
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 3: bags to be? I don't know, you know, So I

999
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 3: don't know exactly.

1000
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 2: What was happening, but she was doing.

1001
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 3: Experiments to see how what would happen if you embalmed

1002
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 3: an arm versus not, and but doing this with like

1003
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 3: cutting off heads and stuff. And I don't really know

1004
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 3: why she was doing it. But when they seized all

1005
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 3: of her information, they found that she was having communication

1006
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 3: with a place called med to Market. Okay, yeah, so

1007
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 3: it's a if this article says. Investigator said she was

1008
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 3: working with a medical training company named med to Market.

1009
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 3: On the quote experiments. She guessed around fifteen bodies were

1010
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 3: quote mutilated and subject to experimentation with the permission of

1011
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 3: med to market. It was updating the company on the outcomes.

1012
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 3: So then when they were asked about it, they said

1013
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 3: that they knew she was embalming the arms, and when

1014
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 3: they asked if it was normal, they said, well, med

1015
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 3: schools do it all the time. Okay, so this is

1016
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 3: this is this is true to an extent. Like, but listen,

1017
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 3: if my dad dies and I send him to get cremated,

1018
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that you, as the owner of the crematory,

1019
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 3: have the right to cut off his head and do

1020
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 3: experiments and then and then do that. It's a lot

1021
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 3: different if I donate my dad to medical school and

1022
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 3: say here or to science, whatever you want to say,

1023
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 3: because then they could do things like that and that

1024
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 3: I mean that stuff needs to be done in some

1025
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 3: circumstances for whatever reasons they're doing it for, right, But

1026
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 3: like let's just say, for example, even something stupid like

1027
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 3: sometimes let's say a person gets their arm cut off

1028
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 3: and then they because a lot of times if people

1029
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 3: get their limbs cut off, they send them to the

1030
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 3: funeral home, and the funeral home stores them for a

1031
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 3: while until they die. Because people want to be buried

1032
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 3: with their whole body. Right, Well, if they want to

1033
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 3: have let's say they just want to have an open

1034
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 3: casket or something, they might want to embalm the arm too,

1035
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 3: and like they want to see if they could do

1036
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 3: that and it would work, and it wouldn't be in

1037
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 3: the casket with the person. I mean, that's like such

1038
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 3: a rare thing that would ever happen. But there's probably

1039
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 3: other reasons they do it. I just it's not really

1040
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 3: my field, So I don't know.

1041
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: Let's say she had these profound results from these experiments, Yeah, well.

1042
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 3: Could she even Well apparently she was telling this med

1043
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 3: to market company what her results were.

1044
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: How were they sharing the findings if it was being

1045
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: done illegally?

1046
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1047
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 3: I don't know, Like I just can't believe that there's

1048
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 3: a company that's doing that kind of stuff that doesn't

1049
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 3: know that there's like a clear distinction between people who

1050
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 3: donate and can set their body to science versus ones

1051
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 3: that are just getting buried under a routine funeral.

1052
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, like funeral service commission. First of all, they're

1053
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: the ones that foreign police. She was doing this, which

1054
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: led to her arrest because a former employee had come

1055
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: forward and said she had been doing the experiments and

1056
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: she was using that person's name on these death certificates.

1057
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: But the TFSC is saying that it's unlawful for a

1058
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: commercial ebombing establishment to use a dead human body for

1059
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: research or educational purposes. So clearly this is against the

1060
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 1: law what she's doing, which obviously led to her wrist.

1061
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: But like, even if you really are trying to do

1062
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: something in the name of science, how are you sharing

1063
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: your findings with people consider you're illegally conducting the experiments?

1064
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 3: I don't know, I think, I mean, she should be

1065
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 3: in trouble with the company she if she was working

1066
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 3: for them or whatever.

1067
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 2: That's that's just weird too.

1068
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 3: I don't I couldn't really follow the story, and that's

1069
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 3: what I think was happening, But they I couldn't really

1070
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 3: figure out what.

1071
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: They were hoping to get with that information.

1072
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's the way it's reading is that they

1073
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: acknowledge she was involving though, but they weren't advocating for

1074
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: the experiments.

1075
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 2: So to speak.

1076
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 1: So whatever, let's move on to questions of the day.

1077
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: Every Friday at that at Mother Knows Death Instagram account,

1078
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 1: you guys can head over to our story and ask

1079
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: us whatever you want. First, have you traveled to Canada?

1080
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: Would you do a meet and greet for fans? Have

1081
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: you ever been there?

1082
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 2: No? I never been there, but I would. Yeah.

1083
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: I mean, first we need to acknowledge the attack that

1084
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: happened over the weekend in Vancouver during the Lapo Lapoo

1085
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 1: Day festival.

1086
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely horrible.

1087
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: I can't imagine just trying to have like a fun

1088
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: day going to a parade and then just some psycho.

1089
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 2: Just like drives your car through the crowd.

1090
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 3: I honestly, like my city does a parade for Christmas

1091
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 3: and stuff. I just like I don't want to go.

1092
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 3: It sucks, But it just like scares the shit out

1093
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,240
Speaker 3: of me. That's something like this is gonna happen because

1094
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,439
Speaker 3: some psycho is gonna If you're not worried about a god,

1095
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 3: now you're worried about someone who running people over with

1096
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 3: a car, I mean killing that many people?

1097
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 2: What was eleven people got killed? Yeah, it's just really scary.

1098
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: Although it's trying to a fun day out with your family.

1099
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 2: I know. And the guy, Like.

1100
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 3: The scary part of that whole thing is that apparently

1101
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 3: the guy his brother was murdered like.

1102
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 2: A year ago. Did you read all that?

1103
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 3: No.

1104
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: I just saw that he was only charged with second murder,

1105
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: which I thought was kind of weird, but like we

1106
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: haven't really done a deep dive into this, so.

1107
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 3: So so, Yeah, his brother was murdered a year or

1108
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 3: two ago, and then his mom had a complete meltdown

1109
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 3: over it, obviously because she lost a child and then

1110
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 3: she was suicidal, and apparently ever since that happened, like

1111
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 3: his mental health was worstening because the mom actually attempted

1112
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 3: suicide and and he found her. So imagine losing your

1113
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 3: brother and then that happening. But he was having deteriorating

1114
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 3: mental health, and one of his family members had called

1115
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 3: the psychiatric word at a hospital and had said like, hey,

1116
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 3: this guy is acting erratically and his mental health is

1117
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 3: worsening and I'm worried about it. And then hours later

1118
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 3: he ended up doing this.

1119
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: Oh my god, so horrible. It is horrible because it's it.

1120
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know what the solution is, but

1121
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 3: obviously people doing this stuff are just not in their

1122
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 3: right mind.

1123
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 2: But it's freaking scary.

1124
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 4: Man.

1125
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: I went to Ontreal in December and I absolutely loved it.

1126
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: Having spoken French throughout my high school years, it was

1127
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: it was fun to, you know, be in a country

1128
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: where they primarily speak French. It was like kind of

1129
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 1: trippy though, because everybody is seemingly bilingual there, so they'll

1130
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: start off speaking French to you and then if you

1131
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: say like hello back then they'll transition to English immediately,

1132
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: which was just kind of weird. But I did have

1133
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: the best gluten free croissants of my life. I actually

1134
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: recently saw you can order them online. So we might

1135
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: be getting a nice street in the mail scene.

1136
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 2: But how far away that from where we live.

1137
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: It's about I think it was about eight hours away.

1138
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: So we had gone to Lake Placid for my birthday

1139
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: and then I saw on the map it was only

1140
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: about two hours away, and since for me and my

1141
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: husband are such big hockey people, we were like, why

1142
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: don't we go there? Since it was only two hours

1143
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: from Lake Placid. Because the Habs were playing the Capitals

1144
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: that weekend, which now they're playing each other in the playoffs,

1145
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: it's really heated, but it was a super fun game.

1146
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: And hockey is like football over there, So when we

1147
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: went to a hockey game on Saturday night, it was

1148
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: like the craziest thing I've ever seen compared to the

1149
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: hockey games over here. But Montreal's a super beautiful city.

1150
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: It snowed, it was like magical the whole time. We

1151
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: had McDonald's over there, which is like boring, but I

1152
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: wanted to taste it in another country.

1153
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 2: Was it different?

1154
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it didn't taste as good because they have better

1155
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: health regulations over there.

1156
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 2: So, oh my god, I really.

1157
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: Really really want to go to Toronto. We keep trying

1158
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: to plan a trip where we could time it up

1159
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: where baseball and hockey are like overlapping, so we can

1160
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: hit the Blue Jays and the Maple Leafs game like.

1161
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: That would be an awesome trip, and I've heard it's

1162
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: a really beautiful city.

1163
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 2: It looks super cool.

1164
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: From what I see, so and my husband's going to

1165
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: be mad. But because the Flyers didn't make the playoffs,

1166
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to vote for the Maple Leafs, which he's

1167
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: not going to be happy with, but they might make

1168
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: it far. I don't know, but I loved Canada. I

1169
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: would love to do a meet and great situation there,

1170
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: maybe a live show or something.

1171
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be cool too.

1172
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: I'm about to give birth tips for unmedicated birth says

1173
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: our fit.

1174
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1175
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 3: Like I gave three unmedicated births, but they weren't planned

1176
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 3: to be. When I walked in, I wanted to get

1177
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 3: meds and it just didn't work out that way. I

1178
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 3: don't know what to tell you, it hurts, and like,

1179
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 3: the best advice I have to give is, it's a

1180
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 3: little bit different. Like if you walk into the hospital

1181
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 3: and you're having some kind of insane pain and you

1182
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 3: don't know what it is and you don't know when

1183
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 3: it's going away, that could be very scary. But when

1184
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 3: you're having a baby, it's like you know that you're

1185
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 3: having a baby, you know what's causing the pain. You're

1186
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 3: going to think that it hurts worse than you're gonna

1187
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 3: say like something's not right.

1188
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 2: This hurts too bad. It's that bad.

1189
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 3: And then but like literally as soon as the baby

1190
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 3: comes out, the pain goes away.

1191
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: It's just like you have this like magic ephor you you.

1192
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 3: Know, yes, you really do. It feels like you have

1193
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 3: an IV of drugs in you. After you have the baby,

1194
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 3: it's the most insane thing ever. It feels like you

1195
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 3: have xanax. It's like so insane and it just ends.

1196
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 3: So my advice to you is to get in touch

1197
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 3: with your body and figure out because I feel like

1198
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 3: when you don't have the drugs, it helps the labor

1199
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 3: go buy faster obviously, because you could really feel all

1200
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 3: of your body parts and think about being this is

1201
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 3: kind of gross, but it's true. When you're constipated and

1202
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 3: you have to go to the bathroom, like you know,

1203
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 3: when where in your body to push to like get

1204
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 3: that out. Well, when you have the baby that's kind

1205
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 3: of stuck in a similar situation, you just have to

1206
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 3: focus to that area because a lot of people don't

1207
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 3: push right. And all of the times that I had

1208
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 3: the babies, they pushed out really fast because I just

1209
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 3: felt like I knew how to do it and get

1210
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,919
Speaker 3: it out. And then the quicker you get it out,

1211
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,959
Speaker 3: the quicker the pain goes away. And then, like I said,

1212
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 3: it just it just ends there, like you might have

1213
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 3: to get I don't even think they do apisiotomies anymore,

1214
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 3: but you might tear a little from the delivery or whatever,

1215
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,919
Speaker 3: Like none of that matters. That's that's not really any

1216
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 3: kind of pain. It like it the pain is one

1217
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 3: hundred percent gone as soon as the kid comes out.

1218
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 3: So I think that's reassuring because sometimes you go into

1219
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 3: the hospital, especially like men for example, if they have

1220
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 3: a kidney stone and they don't know where what the

1221
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 3: pain's coming from. It's like you go in you don't

1222
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 3: know where it's coming from. You don't know how they're

1223
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 3: going to make it go away. You don't know how

1224
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 3: fast you're going to getdrugs to make that feeling go away.

1225
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 3: It's just very scary and unknown, which with a baby,

1226
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 3: it's just kind of like.

1227
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 2: Normal stuff.

1228
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm interested if the listener is doing this at the

1229
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: hospital or like a birthing center or at home, you

1230
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: should write us back with what happened with your birth

1231
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: story and obviously congratulations on your baby.

1232
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 2: There's lots of people that do the breathing and this

1233
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 2: and the that.

1234
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 3: And it's just kind of like, I don't I don't know,

1235
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 3: Like I, like I said, I didn't really walk in.

1236
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 3: I feel like one thing they should do is prepare

1237
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 3: all women to walk in that you might not get drugs,

1238
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 3: and if you do, like bonus for you. And I never,

1239
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 3: like I went in every single time with that reassurance

1240
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 3: and got screwed every single time.

1241
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: I follow this girl on Instagram who had two babies

1242
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: in the hospital and then her third baby she delivered

1243
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: at home, and she says the third berth was the

1244
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: best one, like the natural one without the drugs.

1245
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, compared to it, it really is.

1246
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 3: I mean, like I had Lucia got up. I went

1247
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,919
Speaker 3: to the bathroom like while they were still like cleaning her.

1248
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 2: Off and stuff. It was like it was awesome and

1249
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 2: it was and I felt good.

1250
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 3: I got up and you know, after everything happened, I

1251
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 3: got up and it took a shower and like, you know,

1252
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 3: people come visit me at the hospital. They're like, you

1253
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 3: don't look like you just had a baby, And I'm like,

1254
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 3: I feel one hundred percent fine. Like I could go

1255
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 3: to work right now if I had to, Like I

1256
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 3: feel my body feels fine. So that's the best part

1257
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 3: of it. It just it just hurts. I mean, I

1258
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,919
Speaker 3: don't some people are like, oh, it wasn't that bad,

1259
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 3: and other people think it's really bad.

1260
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 2: So it's just like if you never had a kid.

1261
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 2: It's just hard to say. Speaking of that.

1262
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: I just saw Kylie Kelsey recorded a podcast episode two

1263
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: days after giving birth of like, this is really setting

1264
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,919
Speaker 1: up bad expectations for us aspiring mother.

1265
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 2: I don't think it is at all.

1266
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 3: Like I put on makeup then I took a shower

1267
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 3: and put on makeup, Like it's if like stop being

1268
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 3: a little bit and get up and move on with life.

1269
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 3: If you have to sit there and take care of

1270
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 3: a human being. You're fine to sit there and record

1271
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 3: a podcast for a half hour like it's crazy.

1272
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: All right, Last question, Maria, you've mentioned your internship in

1273
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: New York. What field was that in?

1274
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 2: Well?

1275
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: I when I was going to college for photography, I

1276
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be like the next Anti

1277
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: leave of It. So I was trying to work in fashion,

1278
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: and I really wanted to get an internship at Vogue

1279
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: since I was like twelve years old. That was my dream.

1280
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: And then I believe a year or two before I

1281
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: was looking into internships, Conde Nast cut their internship program

1282
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: due to a bunch of legal disputes with other interns.

1283
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: So I applied for a bunch of other internships and

1284
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: I ended up getting one at L magazine, which was Via,

1285
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: which was at the Hurst Tower, Hurst Publication, So I

1286
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: did that. I think it was this summer in between

1287
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: my junior and senior year of college. So I woke

1288
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: up at four thirty in the morning, I took the

1289
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: six am megabus to Manhattan and I worked till six

1290
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: thirty seven at night, and then I took the megabus home,

1291
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: got home around ten o'clock at night, and I did

1292
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: that for three and a half months.

1293
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,439
Speaker 2: Street for three days a week and then I.

1294
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: Worked the other four days of the week to pay

1295
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: to go to New York the other three days of

1296
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: the week. So that was crazy. It was real life

1297
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: The Devil Wears Prada. I mean that that movie is

1298
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: not exaggerated at all. That's not everybody at the office

1299
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: acted like that, but certainly some people did.

1300
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 2: I never saw that.

1301
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: What I didn't that is ridiculous. Is that like something

1302
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,439
Speaker 1: the kids could watch or yeah, definitely, Oh okay, yeah,

1303
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: because I think it's PG. Thirteen because they reference like

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Speaker 1: in Eating Disorder and there's like a scene where she

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Speaker 1: has sex with somebody. But I don't think they show

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Speaker 1: the sex. It just eludes, like they wake up naked,

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Speaker 1: like it's no, there's no nudy. They could definitely watch it.

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Speaker 1: I would say they should watch it. I think they'll

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Speaker 1: really like it. But yeah, some people like this chick

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Speaker 1: Stephanie worked with was like the coolest chick ever. I

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Speaker 1: loved working under her. But then there was other people

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Speaker 1: in the office that were terrible. You know, it just

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Speaker 1: it's part of the industry and they don't pay very well.

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Speaker 1: It was an awesome internship because I worked in the

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Speaker 1: fashion closet, so I got to do sample trafficking and like,

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Speaker 1: you know, see these ten thousand dollars Gucci dresses before

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Speaker 1: they came out that we'd pull for a photo shoot,

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Speaker 1: and I got to go to the showrooms of a

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Speaker 1: lot of designers and that was really awesome. But it

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Speaker 1: was difficult and it was hard to pay the bills. Ever, no,

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Speaker 1: it never would pay the bills for me. Like I think,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people that worked there came from wealthier families,

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Speaker 1: so it didn't necessarily mattered if they had a job

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Speaker 1: that paid twenty five thousand dollars a year.

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Speaker 2: But that was the situation I could be in.

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Speaker 1: So I enjoyed my time there. I did really love

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Speaker 1: working in New York, and I considered, if I had

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Speaker 1: gotten a good job offer, moving there, but I didn't,

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Speaker 1: and that's fine because everything worked out pretty good. So

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Speaker 1: I like how everything turned out, and I had a

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Speaker 1: good experience there overall. But thank you guys so much.

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Speaker 2: Say you next time.

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Speaker 4: my training is as a pathologist's assistant. I have a

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Speaker 4: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.

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Speaker 2: Thanks