Speaker 1: Look Mayer. Oh, I see you, my own Bowen. Look
Speaker 1: over there is that culture. Yes, wow, lost cult ding
Speaker 1: dong loss calling, making eye contact, making eye contact with
Speaker 1: all my girls and getting tact tied, tactile. We're doing
Speaker 1: things a little differently. We're gonna try something new. You're back.
Speaker 1: I'm back. Thank you for holding it down, girl.
Speaker 2: I would only appreciate it. Hold it down for my
Speaker 2: number one girl, my number one girl. You really got
Speaker 2: into it.
Speaker 1: There were a couple episodes there that I felt like
Speaker 1: my sister would be proud of. Oh my god. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to make it browd you, oh, brimming with pride.
Speaker 2: And I was listening to the Dave Mazzoni mariefounton episode
Speaker 2: the same time I learned what limerens was.
Speaker 1: What's limerens? It's like when you're obsessed with someone. Basically,
Speaker 1: it's just like a fancier term for like when you're
Speaker 1: obsessed with someone. Well that's good, yeah, And that's how
Speaker 1: you know that Bowen Nang is back. Now there's a
Speaker 1: vocabulary limerence. Can I give it a crack at spelling it? Yes? Yes, go,
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna nail it. L I M E
Speaker 1: R A n c E.
Speaker 2: They never said I wasn't a good speller, girl. We've
Speaker 2: talked about spelling these in the past, haven't weed Were
Speaker 2: you spelling me? I lost at the words satellite in
Speaker 2: the fourth grade, and you really did?
Speaker 1: Can you spell it? Well? First of all, can you
Speaker 1: spell it now? I don't know. Try I know how
Speaker 1: to spell it. S A T E L L I T.
Speaker 1: You did it. I think I added an extra tea
Speaker 1: in there. What I did?
Speaker 2: I think I did S A T T E. Oh,
Speaker 2: I remember it like it was yesterday. It is a
Speaker 2: core motherfucking memory.
Speaker 1: When you lose the spelling me and they say to you,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the word never leaves you. No, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: that is incorrect. I'm the use of the word incorrect
Speaker 1: as a weapon, and it usually is a weapon.
Speaker 2: We're getting We're picking up on so much stuff. By
Speaker 2: the way, my Colorado king over there wearing a Colorado shirt?
Speaker 1: Where are you from? I love him?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well that's that's even better. So then you found
Speaker 2: Colorado and you liked it enough to buy a shirt.
Speaker 2: Absolute perfect, really good. That's what I like to hear.
Speaker 2: Spend time there and you were missing I know, Okay,
Speaker 2: tell me. But first of all, I want.
Speaker 1: To say, yeah, what do you want to say that?
Speaker 2: I just want to say thank you everyone for I mean,
Speaker 2: there was really such a perfect level of understanding. Not
Speaker 2: that I expected anything less, but everyone got it, you know,
Speaker 2: and like that's the kind of people that I think
Speaker 2: are like in this little world of ours, and that's
Speaker 2: I'm really really grateful.
Speaker 1: So well, I mean, all I ever want and all
Speaker 1: we ever want is for you to feel like you
Speaker 1: are having fun doing this, because like this is just
Speaker 1: like this should be the cherry on top.
Speaker 2: Of life, honey, this is the cherry on top of
Speaker 2: the cake, in the words of Uba a new Real Housewives,
Speaker 2: and the cherry on top of the cake.
Speaker 1: These housewives don't know about what cherry's sort of like
Speaker 1: relation to desserts are, because see Lisa Barlow also was
Speaker 1: like it's the cherry on top of the icing, on
Speaker 1: top of the cake. These women don't know dessert culture
Speaker 1: or cherry culture. You know, they're not eating dessert.
Speaker 2: They're not eating there. I mean, they're not eating caviar either. Apparently, Okay,
Speaker 2: they are eating caviar, well not really, not really.
Speaker 1: Okay, So without pivoting too hard from this topic at hand,
Speaker 1: we will get into, of course neuronian all the culture
Speaker 1: because it was a we can only describe this last
Speaker 1: weekend as cultural cultural. But what I want to know
Speaker 1: from you, and I think that everyone wants to know
Speaker 1: that listens, is how are you feeling?
Speaker 2: I feel really good. I'm like getting better. I think
Speaker 2: there are like specific things that I have to do
Speaker 2: that are happening this week.
Speaker 1: Good for you. So you're gonna see about a girl.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see about a girl.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna see about some dolls and the
Speaker 2: Valley of the doll sense, but not the bad dolls.
Speaker 2: It literally was Valley of the Dolls for a second
Speaker 2: where I was like on the wrong dolls.
Speaker 1: You were on the wrong door. So you feel that
Speaker 1: And this is nothing against anyone who's loving particular doll,
Speaker 1: and this doll makes should I say the dolls.
Speaker 2: I was on Welbutrin and I got and full transparency.
Speaker 2: I got a low dose of adult just to help
Speaker 2: with the travel, just to help with with adjusting to
Speaker 2: the hours. Just kind of really like it's not working.
Speaker 2: And I was talking to some friends last night about
Speaker 2: how Walbutrin really is not doing it for a lot
Speaker 2: of people, and if it's working for you, god bless.
Speaker 2: But Wellbutrin wasn't for me.
Speaker 1: I think that this is what I had heard about
Speaker 1: Wellbutrin when I was sort of stepping into my new
Speaker 1: era of not ignoring my mental health or being like
Speaker 1: I have a big plate, I can handle a lot,
Speaker 1: like this is just what feelings are, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And so I think that when I finally
Speaker 1: was ready to like actually engage and take accountability over
Speaker 1: my mental health, well Bututrin was sort of like I
Speaker 1: was warned against it just because I identify as a pretty
Speaker 1: anxious person and I've heard that like when you're dealing
Speaker 1: with anxiety that maybe isn't the girl totally. And so
Speaker 1: when you were saying you were struggling, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe it's because the well Buttrin of it all is
Speaker 1: just like I do think of you as a little anxious.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm anxious, right. I know.
Speaker 2: Certain people I mean won't name names, had like an
Speaker 2: issue with the word personalization. It is like the clinical
Speaker 2: term for like what I was, what I am experiencing.
Speaker 1: And so if you don't know what it is, you
Speaker 1: could always like fucking look it up, or you can
Speaker 1: be less obtuse.
Speaker 2: And this is a self knowledge journey that we're on
Speaker 2: for me at least, and we'll just leave it at that,
Speaker 2: because otherwise it gets too it gets a little cloying,
Speaker 2: which it shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
Speaker 2: Like if I start talking a little too much about
Speaker 2: how like, oh I am completely disconnected from like yeah,
Speaker 2: these like really important elements of like who I am, right,
Speaker 2: then people start to sort of check out, which, of course,
Speaker 2: like they don't know what I'm talking about because it's
Speaker 2: hard for me to even drill down too specifically into that.
Speaker 1: Right, I understand, And I think that like what I'm
Speaker 1: so happy about, I know everyone will be so happy
Speaker 1: to hear, is that you are taking accountability of it,
Speaker 1: taking taking initiative. And I think, because once that happened,
Speaker 1: I can only speak for myself, I was genuinely a
Speaker 1: million times happier. And I will also say I went
Speaker 1: up on my dose just to be totally transparent, and
Speaker 1: this has been you know, it's been an incredibly difficult
Speaker 1: three weeks for me as well. Like that's totally separate
Speaker 1: outside of like anything that you were going through like
Speaker 1: I had a very close friend. We have a very
Speaker 1: close friend who suffered a huge, a huge personal loss,
Speaker 1: and it has been very difficult, and so I've sort
Speaker 1: of been grieving that in my own way as well. Also,
Speaker 1: I've been really like under the gun with a project
Speaker 1: that I'm doing, and like especially as the strikes happened,
Speaker 1: which we'll talk about because it also like sort of
Speaker 1: dictates how we can discuss things on this podcast and
Speaker 1: how we might be doing things going forward. It has
Speaker 1: been like a really stressful fucking time. And I will say,
Speaker 1: just having this little bit of help. And it's funny.
Speaker 1: Last time we were in this room with the camera's
Speaker 1: row and we talked about this with Kelly.
Speaker 2: This is a medication room. This is the red room.
Speaker 2: This is the red This room is for crazy people.
Speaker 2: This room is for the pills. This room is for
Speaker 2: the pills. Yes, the pills, not the red pills. Not
Speaker 2: the red, not the red, the blue pills.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about red pilling because I think Ken
Speaker 1: in the Barbie movie gets red pilled. Yes way, but anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I've just been so grateful for it. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think it's one of those things where it's like
Speaker 1: I kind of want to go back in time a
Speaker 1: few things, like you were always on me about therapy
Speaker 1: and that was major sure, and then this for however
Speaker 1: long I need the lecture pro It's been really great
Speaker 1: for you to see about the girl.
Speaker 2: Me too, And it took a lot of clarity from
Speaker 2: you well to me, Like I think you were very
Speaker 2: clear with me about how I should manage.
Speaker 1: This because I care about you so much. It's that
Speaker 1: thing of like it's I think a journey that we've
Speaker 1: been on about like codependency, right, because you are genuinely
Speaker 1: my best friend, like we genuinely do this together. But
Speaker 1: also outside of this, this like an entire relationship and
Speaker 1: like there's history and there's like a lot of care
Speaker 1: that goes into that. And I think sometimes it's like
Speaker 1: how do you care for someone in a real way?
Speaker 1: Do you tell them like do you use words like worried, concerned?
Speaker 1: Like do you ring alarm bells? Or do you say
Speaker 1: I'm here, But you're in it also in a place
Speaker 1: of inaction because you want to like make sure you're
Speaker 1: taking care of the person. For me, it's just like
Speaker 1: when you had said you expressed to me that you
Speaker 1: wanted to take a break. Like for me, that's just
Speaker 1: like this is great, but this is not everything, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And it's like I also know
Speaker 1: that you're involved with other things where it's not as
Speaker 1: easy to be like, hey, I'm taking a break.
Speaker 2: I mean, that is the cruelest irony is that, like,
Speaker 2: out of all the things that I'm doing, and it's
Speaker 2: not that it's too many things, but it was just
Speaker 2: a lot of demanding things, and out of all those things,
Speaker 2: it was like the thing that could be taken off
Speaker 2: the plate for a little bit was this, which is
Speaker 2: so terrible because it's the thing that I enjoy the most.
Speaker 2: And that is sort of the unfair ironic thing.
Speaker 1: About it all, where oh it was only three weeks.
Speaker 2: It was only three weeks, and girl, you you have something?
Speaker 1: Do you think I have something? Thank you?
Speaker 2: What is it that I say? Anyways, I love your ass.
Speaker 1: I love your ass.
Speaker 2: It's forever coded. My love for you is forever rule
Speaker 2: of culture number four four before my love for you.
Speaker 1: It's forever coded. Speaking of the rules, will you get
Speaker 1: into it? Come on?
Speaker 2: Joco Studio made this for us at joke at Joco
Speaker 2: dot Io.
Speaker 1: J oco dot io. I mean a bound book. So
Speaker 1: I just forgot that podcasts are not a visual medium.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, we have we have these cameras,
Speaker 1: and we showed the book to the cameras, and you
Speaker 1: listening in your car don't know what the hell we're doing.
Speaker 1: So someone sent in They made bound and everything a
Speaker 1: Rules of Culture first edition, first edition book for Bowen
Speaker 1: and I. And this is it. I mean, you flipped
Speaker 1: through it, and it's got pictures, it's got all the rules.
Speaker 1: This is exhaustive work, and this is how you know
Speaker 1: the readers are the best in the biz. And then
Speaker 1: you open up the rule book and some things really
Speaker 1: jump out, such as ruled culture number six, super base
Speaker 1: is our national anthem. I mean, I'm sorry, but we
Speaker 1: were so right on all of these. Number twelve. If
Speaker 1: bow and Yang got it wrong, other people are gonna
Speaker 1: get it wrong.
Speaker 2: Such a funny spelling the word satellite, such as spelling
Speaker 2: the word satellite. Here we go, I have something, Rule
Speaker 2: of Culture number twenty nine. It all comes back to
Speaker 2: Hillary Duff.
Speaker 1: Let's go back that to the beginning. Good and I
Speaker 1: bet if you went back in time and when we
Speaker 1: did that rule, I bet we sang those very words
Speaker 1: because people change but they don't.
Speaker 2: But they don't. It's for the culture number eight. People change,
Speaker 2: but they don't.
Speaker 1: And we just really want to say who not number
Speaker 1: thirty five. Unfortunately, Zuckerberg has a fat ass. I don't
Speaker 1: think we said that. We didn't say. I think we
Speaker 1: codified it into the rules, but we cannot have originally.
Speaker 1: I think this is after the surfboard picture, because he
Speaker 1: does want to have a donk on the board. Well,
Speaker 1: he pokes out the tailbone on the board. Do you
Speaker 1: think he knew there were paps around and he said,
Speaker 1: let me show off my fat ass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Zuck, Oh, every pap is hired these days, even
Speaker 2: back then, even for Zuck.
Speaker 1: I just want to quickly read. This book is dedicated
Speaker 1: to the readers, the publicist, the finalists, and most importantly
Speaker 1: the Katies. Wow. Okay, so this book is Katie Coodd.
Speaker 1: May you forever be informed on the pulse and finding
Speaker 1: things that make you say quote culture is for me.
Speaker 1: This is amazing, so nice, and I do just want
Speaker 1: to I think we both want to say that if
Speaker 1: there ever is a piece of merchandise that we come
Speaker 1: out with that maybe even has this title. It's been
Speaker 1: an idea for a long time, and we did not
Speaker 1: steal it from at Joco Dot.
Speaker 2: We did not steal it from at Joko di Io.
Speaker 2: You have to know it won't be in this exact
Speaker 2: format either. Oh, we're saying too much.
Speaker 1: With culture number nineteen, Blackpink. Those girls they really do
Speaker 1: have choreo down.
Speaker 2: It's true. That is one hundred percent. That's one hundred
Speaker 2: percent true. So I read that superbasse Yes, Yes, that
Speaker 2: goes to Barbes, which goes to Barbie?
Speaker 1: Should we talk about Barbie? I mean, it is the
Speaker 1: culture and can we just say I think that's what
Speaker 1: the girls want to hear, that's what the girls.
Speaker 2: Want to hear, and off the it is pretty remarkable.
Speaker 2: And I think what you inform this whole discussion is
Speaker 2: we have monoculture for once.
Speaker 1: Wow, do we Dowey? I mean we were talking out there,
Speaker 1: me and the girls that are behind the cameras. We
Speaker 1: were all excitedly talking yes about Barbenheimer. Yeah, so full disclosure,
Speaker 1: we are going tonight to say Oppenheimer. So we haven't
Speaker 1: seen it, but Barbie we saw. And I think that
Speaker 1: my initial reaction to it, because everyone it was one
Speaker 1: of those things where it's like people are dressed, people
Speaker 1: are going Yeah, I was so excited. My excitement was
Speaker 1: out of ten. And then I walked out of it
Speaker 1: and I was just like my reaction and even me,
Speaker 1: who's like a maximalist and loves this shit, my reaction
Speaker 1: was that was a lot. And I didn't really know
Speaker 1: how I felt. I knew I had laughed and sort
Speaker 1: of enjoyed every minute, but as a movie, I didn't
Speaker 1: know how I felt. A few days have gone by.
Speaker 1: I think it's one of my favorite movies.
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, Okay, so
Speaker 2: what's like congealed in those few days?
Speaker 1: Can you know? I have to give credit to Joel Kim. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I went to a party with a bunch of
Speaker 1: queers with differing opinions. Yes, sort of, because it's really
Speaker 1: like the fever pitch feels very positive, but people do
Speaker 1: have opinions about this movie, and isn't that beautiful? It's beauty,
Speaker 1: it's beauty. But I was sort of like airing on
Speaker 1: the side of like, I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it worked. And then Joel Kim was like.
Speaker 2: It's play logic, it's not about world building necessarily because
Speaker 2: there is no world building when a kid picks up
Speaker 2: a barbie. Yeah, yes, and you would express that to me,
Speaker 2: and that clicked for me as well. Yes, I agree
Speaker 2: with that, and I celebrate that, and I am of
Speaker 2: the mind that it's genius to prioritize that. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: sort of like forsake like traditional film logic or at
Speaker 2: least like you know, like world building.
Speaker 1: Logic like that.
Speaker 2: But then I do kind of come away from that
Speaker 2: movie thinking I really enjoyed that. It did feel like
Speaker 2: a bag of loose, unspooled thread. And should we just say,
Speaker 2: I do think we should spoil the movie. So if
Speaker 2: you haven't watched it, oh yeah, no, fast forward maybe
Speaker 2: like ten to fifteen minutes. It's a Wednesday after a
Speaker 2: monocol It's a Wednesday after monoculture.
Speaker 1: We'll just say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. By the end of the movie, I go, wait,
Speaker 2: why did she become? Did you want to become human?
Speaker 1: See? That's my thing? Yeah, is that was just like
Speaker 1: there were so many ideas, Yes, there were so many
Speaker 1: things happening to the point where I was just like,
Speaker 1: at the end, it's weirdly like a thinker, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's a surrealist fantasy comedy, which, of course,
Speaker 1: but it's not just this thing where you sit back
Speaker 1: and like you could just really like sit there and
Speaker 1: watch it without thinking, no you like by the end,
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this was like existentialist and you know,
Speaker 1: really deep, surprisingly deep, especially for something that like is
Speaker 1: also at the same time so sort of gloriously dumb,
Speaker 1: and which something I loved about it. But what I
Speaker 1: think was it was like very clearly too extremely smart
Speaker 1: and funny people sitting down and having the time of
Speaker 1: their lif and just throwing all the ideas out there
Speaker 1: in a way a kid might give me a million
Speaker 1: of these before you give me one more of literally
Speaker 1: insert anything here, right.
Speaker 2: Did we talk about this the other day where I
Speaker 2: would have loved some Barbie looking person in the real
Speaker 2: world to go up to her be like, oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 2: like you're my like you're my heroes, you are my icon.
Speaker 2: Like that complicates it even more. I think there's even
Speaker 2: a nice little thing there that like compliments the teens
Speaker 2: being like you're fascist, you suck, Like you're the reason why,
Speaker 2: like femininity is like crazy or whatever. I would have
Speaker 2: loved for like on the other side of that coin
Speaker 2: for somebody to be like, oh, you made me who
Speaker 2: I am. And then and then like Barbie sees her
Speaker 2: be like a terrible person. Yeah maybe absolute privileged, Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: there was this weird thing that happened where it's like
Speaker 2: they show the Barbie world and it actually is very
Speaker 2: diverse and inclusive and it's a party and it's a
Speaker 2: matriarchy and.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. And then when Barbie goes
Speaker 1: to the real world, they're like, fuck you, fuck off.
Speaker 1: And there is this thing that like Barbie goes through
Speaker 1: where she's just like it almost is like a reckoning
Speaker 1: with privilege right there. She's like, what do you mean,
Speaker 1: I'm well intentioned, I come from this, and then she's
Speaker 1: confronted in the real world and it's like, no, what
Speaker 1: you represent is this and actually it's this label, this, this, this,
Speaker 1: And so you actually see the Barbie character go through
Speaker 1: something in a really short period of time in a
Speaker 1: funny way, which I think a lot of white women
Speaker 1: go through, which is just like or white people go through,
Speaker 1: which is just like you have to understand like in
Speaker 1: an atmosphere and in like a culture where we're constantly
Speaker 1: branded and sold in everything, and it's catered to a
Speaker 1: certain person, like just watching her deal with all of
Speaker 1: that despite what she is stands for actually in reality,
Speaker 1: I thought that was an interesting way to go about
Speaker 1: the Barbie thing because it's like, there have been I
Speaker 1: guess quote unko diverse barbiees and dolls for quite a while,
Speaker 1: but I still think you think Barbie. And one of
Speaker 1: the top items of discussion is, for example, Sudi like
Speaker 1: she was not allowed to have that or engage with
Speaker 1: that at all as a child because her mother was like,
Speaker 1: this is fascism, literally, I mean, and like, so it's
Speaker 1: a really interesting I think way to personalize that for
Speaker 1: the character, for her to be personally attacked for what
Speaker 1: she represents and called a fascist, but the intent of
Speaker 1: her and the brand in general, especially because this is
Speaker 1: produced by Mattel, is sort of like no, no, no, that's
Speaker 1: not what we meant. But yet they are responsible for it,
Speaker 1: right totally.
Speaker 2: And then I think Greta had Margo producer, had the
Speaker 2: impossible task of like making it not a commercial, not
Speaker 2: like a hand geography, not like Mattel we love you, yeah,
Speaker 2: And like I can't believe they got the Ruth Handler
Speaker 2: jokes in about how like I got danged for tax
Speaker 2: of Asian stuff, but that's a different movie. Yeah, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: the andler A State is gonna let that slide.
Speaker 1: They wait for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you have
Speaker 1: to imagine this, like because I feel like Greta and
Speaker 1: Noah probably got a lot of leeway because they are
Speaker 1: so acclaimed, because they are so successful and there is
Speaker 1: like a trust level in them. But you have to
Speaker 1: imagine this movie was fucking noted. Oh you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like to within an inch and like, so
Speaker 1: the fact that we arrived where we arrived and that
Speaker 1: it did as well as it did, and that it
Speaker 1: gets an a Cinema score and a ninety percent on
Speaker 1: Rotten Tomatoes, this is like it's a huge deal. You know,
Speaker 1: not to make an obvious joke, but it is like
Speaker 1: a pink unicorn and that like, of course it's one
Speaker 1: of the world's most famous toys. But it's not a
Speaker 1: sequel or a franchise or et cetera. Right, Oh, it's
Speaker 1: a franchise. But you know, the.
Speaker 2: Ip is something that they they did the right thing
Speaker 2: by like completely starting from scratch in a way, because
Speaker 2: they could have they could have been like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: not Barbie, it's Skipper, it's Midge, it's Christy. It's like
Speaker 2: all the girls are there, but they're not all named Barbie, right,
Speaker 2: and all the men are not named Ken. They could
Speaker 2: have done that and would have been it really would
Speaker 2: have been a different movie. Yeah, they get away with
Speaker 2: all of these gender assessments based on the joke that
Speaker 2: you just sub in male female for Ken Barbie right exactly.
Speaker 1: And I think it was really fun. I think you
Speaker 1: know what's so funny is that all like the higher
Speaker 1: ups at Mattel are men. Yeah is that really true?
Speaker 2: That's really And I think they even like say that
Speaker 2: in the movie. It's like no, like this is it,
Speaker 2: this is it, and like they slipped that in and
Speaker 2: like I think the people at matel are like yeah, sure.
Speaker 2: And then it makes you go, is it a good
Speaker 2: thing or a bad thing that like other companies that
Speaker 2: end up making movies will like allow themselves to be
Speaker 2: like lightly roasted in this way.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I guess then it comes down to
Speaker 1: like cool, Yeah, take the light roasting. Look cool because
Speaker 1: you allowed yourself to be roasted, But also like are
Speaker 1: you going to do anything about it? Like I guess
Speaker 1: that would be the thing to check in on in
Speaker 1: six months, where it's just like, yeah, cool, you allowed
Speaker 1: yourself to be the butt of this joke, your own joke, yes,
Speaker 1: but also like did it remain the same yeah, And
Speaker 1: there's it's really funny because like I think people that
Speaker 1: don't even understand that they're doing this. There is a
Speaker 1: lot of sexism even in the conversation about the movie
Speaker 1: in terms of through a critical lens, like something I've
Speaker 1: seen more than once and this is just it really
Speaker 1: makes me laugh. Is the boiling down of a few
Speaker 1: of these reviews about Margo and Ryan's performances are Margo
Speaker 1: really proves she has what it takes to be a
Speaker 1: movie star. And I'm like, and they're like, and Ryan
Speaker 1: should be nominated for an oscar and he did it again,
Speaker 1: and it's one of the most underutilized clowns in the business.
Speaker 1: It's like, this man has been doing this for a while,
Speaker 1: Like and also like to shift all the focus to
Speaker 1: him and say, Margot Robbie finally has proven what it
Speaker 1: takes to be a movie star. I'm like, she's been
Speaker 1: a movie star now for over ten years. Her first
Speaker 1: film was at least in terms of like what everyone
Speaker 1: saw was opposite Leonardo DiCaprio in a performance that made
Speaker 1: her a movie star immediately. And it's just like you
Speaker 1: see her being praised, sure, but not a lot of
Speaker 1: conversation about her being as involved as she was for
Speaker 1: as long producing. Not enough conversation. I think about just
Speaker 1: how difficult it is to just hold the center of
Speaker 1: this movie.
Speaker 2: Like it is crazy and like carry this entire press
Speaker 2: tour that has no TV options, right, and like be
Speaker 2: the mediator between Mattel and Greta. Is that that is
Speaker 2: her job as producer on this Yeah, and literally like
Speaker 2: look at people's schedules and be like can we make
Speaker 2: it work with this person?
Speaker 1: Now? You know, Like literally like it comes down to that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I mean like this is the nuts in the bolts,
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking like she's way, way, way smarter and
Speaker 1: more important than people are actually realizing. Like I think,
Speaker 1: like in terms of like why this movie is so
Speaker 1: big and why it's so successful, it's like she's a
Speaker 1: top three reason. Oh yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And like I always say, you know, I know that
Speaker 1: there's like, well, some of the craziest people in America
Speaker 1: are online saying that America Frera deserves an Oscar nomination
Speaker 1: for her performance. I'm like, America was great, But guys,
Speaker 1: I don't know. She was great. She was great, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's like Oscar nomination. And that's why when people
Speaker 1: just throw that out there, I'm like, you guys are
Speaker 1: so we don't know. They don't know because she.
Speaker 2: Has that one monologue which, by the way she delivers,
Speaker 2: she killed, she kills, she landed the plane.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think for people that I've been having this
Speaker 1: conversation for a long time, that monologue is gonna feel
Speaker 1: very twenty eighteen. And I'm talking about her monologue which
Speaker 1: she talks about how difficult it is to be a woman.
Speaker 1: And what I think we have to remember is it
Speaker 1: sort of is when you're dealing with monoculture like this,
Speaker 1: it's like that James Cameron thing right when we were
Speaker 1: talking about how it's like with Kiki. Yes, yeah, it
Speaker 1: has to be for everyone, and maybe not everyone has
Speaker 1: had this conversation. And so when you're putting out a
Speaker 1: movie that's a big and important and potentially influential as
Speaker 1: the Barbing movie, as we've proven to see just how
Speaker 1: huge it is, like it's okay for that monologue to
Speaker 1: feel like something you've heard before totally and performed really well,
Speaker 1: is it Oscar worthy? I don't know one thing. The
Speaker 1: reason I got there though, was because, as you know,
Speaker 1: my rubric of the Oscars is could anyone else have
Speaker 1: done it? Could anyone else have done Barbie like that?
Speaker 1: And shepherded that to the huge amount of success and
Speaker 1: trusted with the director and had such a singular, entwined
Speaker 1: vision like they did. I don't know. I guess what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is Margot Robbie.
Speaker 2: F YC, f y C, this makes me excited for
Speaker 2: I pitched you a movie for when we're like in
Speaker 2: our forties and fifties, for some huge when.
Speaker 1: They're finally ready for us.
Speaker 2: When I shared it with some people last night and
Speaker 2: they were like, that's really good, I mean it is,
Speaker 2: I was like, that's me.
Speaker 1: I like, man, are going to do that one thing
Speaker 1: about us? We have a big plan. It's I will say,
Speaker 1: I'm inspired by the color in this room. It's red.
Speaker 1: It's for coke, it's for Coca Cola. We have an idea.
Speaker 1: We have an idea for a Coca Cola movie. What
Speaker 1: is bigger than Barbie CoA. Literally literally everyone loves it.
Speaker 1: Everyone loves it, everyone knows it. It's worldwide, yeah, like
Speaker 1: candy bursts, like candy burris. And it's to two worldwide things,
Speaker 1: candy bursts and cocaine. That's real coachure number six.
Speaker 2: It's two worldwide things, candy birst and coke cocla, not
Speaker 2: the other one.
Speaker 1: Listen, listen. Cocaine is pretty international too. That's true. That's true.
Speaker 2: But I think I think it's just specific little routes.
Speaker 1: We've sworn off the stuff. We've sworn off the stuff.
Speaker 1: You have a raised eyebrow at drugs now, and so
Speaker 1: do I for.
Speaker 2: A little bit, who knows how long, but I am
Speaker 2: kind of like, wait a minnute, this is too much.
Speaker 1: Well, I've realized, and maybe this is just mid thirties,
Speaker 1: but I've realized, like being so fucked up is actually
Speaker 1: pretty much always better in theory than practice, always always
Speaker 1: unl well us. It's like a little bit of mushrooms
Speaker 1: at Taylor swift eras Denver was that Denver it was
Speaker 1: both oh great, you know what I mean, just a
Speaker 1: little nibble I had just we had a little nibble
Speaker 1: in Jersey and it was perfect. We were in the
Speaker 1: perfect vibe for Jersey, I would say. In Denver I
Speaker 1: was a little bit more fucked up. Yeah, I saw
Speaker 1: the video. You were having fun, girl, I was having
Speaker 1: a time. By the way, the show was fucking great.
Speaker 1: And also everyone in Denver, I see how nice you are.
Speaker 1: Denver's a town of sweeties. You have to know. A
Speaker 1: few people came up and said hello, yeah, one Katie,
Speaker 1: one Catherine, Wow, amazing, and Catherine said almost, Katie almost,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, Katie, she goes yeah, but
Speaker 1: that was lovely. But yeah, No, just drugs in general.
Speaker 1: Maybe we're just getting old. Yeah, and that's okay, that's okay,
Speaker 1: that's okay, different kinds of drugs now medicinal medicinal dolls. Okay.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the dolls, there are new dolls. There are
Speaker 1: new dolls. There are new dolls to sort of play with.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, the new dolls of the Real Housewives of
Speaker 1: New York. Again. We're seeing Oppenheimer tonight.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll talk about Appenheimer. Maybe we'll talk about
Speaker 2: it next week. But this is so interesting, like the
Speaker 2: strike of it all, Like I remember I posted a
Speaker 2: picture of me in the Barbie box, and I was like,
Speaker 2: can I post this?
Speaker 1: Is that allowed?
Speaker 2: You're going to the movies for a movie that was
Speaker 2: made pre strike, that's already been promoted, that's already released.
Speaker 1: Like it's fine. There's a degree of anxiety though in
Speaker 1: what I'm calling friends Queen Era, Yes, yes, we're on strike,
Speaker 1: but really this is friend clean Era. So she's come
Speaker 1: out and said, no one from SAD can promote any
Speaker 1: of their projects. You can't promote anything like And then
Speaker 1: actually my agent called, which was when I knew it
Speaker 1: was serious, and she was like, you can't even be
Speaker 1: like congrats to my friend on doing this. So, for example,
Speaker 1: like we were going to have a couple people on
Speaker 1: the podcast to promote certain things, and now I think
Speaker 1: we have to either hold on that or just like
Speaker 1: change the way we talk about it for now because
Speaker 1: those are the new rules.
Speaker 2: I think we can have people on and just be like,
Speaker 2: let's the same. Yeah, I mean that's ultimately it's kind
Speaker 2: of freeing. It is kind of freeing, but you do
Speaker 2: kind of want to ask, like, what was it like
Speaker 2: on the set of Theater Camp?
Speaker 1: You know what? Though? You know what though, and we
Speaker 1: have to bleep that out. We did have to bleep
Speaker 1: that out like it's catch wait a minute, like it's
Speaker 1: we can not talk about what you did without the
Speaker 1: bleep blurb is scabbing. I don't know about that. I'm
Speaker 1: not promoting people, go see this movie. Here's what here's
Speaker 1: what we can say. I saw theater Camp this weekend
Speaker 1: and I loved it. That's what we can say, Like
Speaker 1: we just did with Barbie, that's not a promotion. That
Speaker 1: is a review. A review, is it a review promotional whatever?
Speaker 1: It's confusing.
Speaker 2: It's very confusing. I saw you in the comments on
Speaker 2: the Variety reel about like what actors people, because it.
Speaker 1: Is the trades are trying to confuse people.
Speaker 2: The trades are trying to confuse people. And I thought
Speaker 2: you were of the mind that, like, let's be very
Speaker 2: specific about what YES can and cannot do. I thought
Speaker 2: we could on our podcast, let's say be like we
Speaker 2: were going to have this person and this person from
Speaker 2: this movie and just leave it at that.
Speaker 1: Well what I said with the Zane episode last week,
Speaker 1: because we talked for a half an hour about projects
Speaker 1: that we've done together and that he's in Yes, and
Speaker 1: I cut it out because I was told espressly, you
Speaker 1: can't do that. See and everyone if you're listening to
Speaker 1: this right now and you're like, huh, that's how fucked
Speaker 1: up the studios are. Okay, it has to be this, yeah,
Speaker 1: in order for it to change as a labor issue
Speaker 1: because of them, and understand, Like I totally get being
Speaker 1: like confused by all this or like huh, like, oh,
Speaker 1: actors and writers are striking, Like it is a serious thing,
Speaker 1: and it's also bigger, yes than this. I mean if
Speaker 1: you really look at it, like these studio people, they
Speaker 1: make so much fucking money and it's so insulting when
Speaker 1: you consider what these guilds, what these unions are asking
Speaker 1: for that like, you know, it's it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to be like, you know, tell anyone what to do,
Speaker 1: but like stand with these guilds, them with our union
Speaker 1: because we really are. Like there's a lot of misinformation
Speaker 1: out there. And that's what pissed me off about that
Speaker 1: Variety thing, Yes, because it was some girl from Variety
Speaker 1: and the trades are in with the studios, Yes they are.
Speaker 1: And so she was being like, here's a list of
Speaker 1: things actors cannot do while the strike is happening, Singing, podcasting,
Speaker 1: like down the line like breathing, basically saying like, because
Speaker 1: they're on strike, they are not participating in any element
Speaker 1: of the industry, which is not true. We are not
Speaker 1: participating anything promotionally as they relate to struck companies, but
Speaker 1: we are allowed to still do our podcast singers are
Speaker 1: allowed to sing if they're in SAG like. It's just ridiculous,
Speaker 1: and they're trying to make it. They're trying to make
Speaker 1: us look like crazy and unreasonable.
Speaker 2: And there are a lot of nuanced things about this
Speaker 2: that even we don't quite understand, such as and I
Speaker 2: think this is going to like play out in the
Speaker 2: next couple weeks as we get closer to some festivals.
Speaker 2: But like, there are indie studios like A twenty four
Speaker 2: that are figuring out ways to waive promotional and they've
Speaker 2: already done that with shoots, but they're trying to figure
Speaker 2: out a way to like allow certain projects to be
Speaker 2: promoted in a way that complies with SAG strike roles
Speaker 2: and guidelines. And that is a good thing because it
Speaker 2: does show people and especially people within the unions that like,
Speaker 2: let's like promote how like the indie arm of this
Speaker 2: industry can thrive and flourish and be healthy, and it's
Speaker 2: not like a full austerity thing of like nothing can stay,
Speaker 2: nothing can work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also it shows that there are people out
Speaker 1: there with the money who make these calls like that,
Speaker 1: that are willing to collaborate and they are willing to
Speaker 1: bend and they are willing to be fair. But unfortunately
Speaker 1: that isn't anyone in our sort of new culture where
Speaker 1: it feels like five people run the industry, which has
Speaker 1: been a problem and continues to be a problem. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: you'd be shocked to hear those are the people that
Speaker 1: are being very rigid. And people keep asking like how
Speaker 1: long do you think the strike is going to go?
Speaker 1: How long do you think the strike is going to go?
Speaker 1: And I've just started being like, I don't fucking know.
Speaker 2: January, it's giving lockdown, it's giving early early COVID, Like
Speaker 2: we really, we literally don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The thing about January, though, is the thing that like
Speaker 2: all the studios do have in common is that I
Speaker 2: think they do care about awards, and if the strike
Speaker 2: goes into like the period where they release all their
Speaker 2: awards contenders, that kind of fucks up the schedule there
Speaker 2: for them. And then they kind of lose out on it,
Speaker 2: like a year of prestige.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, i'd heard, like I heard do
Speaker 1: the Grape Fine, that the studios would crunch the numbers
Speaker 1: and decided there was like a date in August that
Speaker 1: they could go without all this. Huh. But now the
Speaker 1: more you hear about like just how far apart everything is,
Speaker 1: it's scary. Yeah. I had heard November, and then I
Speaker 1: was thinking, like, but if it's gonna go till November
Speaker 1: and the industry sort of shuts down in December because
Speaker 1: of the holidays, why wouldn't you just go to extend
Speaker 1: it to do You know what I'm saying, It's just
Speaker 1: like it just feels like I don't even know what
Speaker 1: to say about it. But what I do know is
Speaker 1: when I see something that's just incorrect, which is like
Speaker 1: this insane insinuation that like because the actors are on strike,
Speaker 1: they're completely stopping any avenue of livelihood Like that is
Speaker 1: not true. Like podcasting will continue, touring will continue, music
Speaker 1: will continue. And if if this is causing anyone like discomfort,
Speaker 1: it's because we're at a place where like just wealth inequality. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's wrong, and someone has to take a stamp. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: But that's that. But that's that anyway to be get
Speaker 1: there from Ronie. Let's go back to Ronie, shall we?
Speaker 2: Thoughts, Well, I still need more time because you know
Speaker 2: what it was first episode, which that episode in particular
Speaker 2: has the impossible task of like getting everybody on board
Speaker 2: with these people when we have all these attachments with
Speaker 2: the previous group. And then the second episode, I love
Speaker 2: that we're already doing a trip. I was very and
Speaker 2: this is having me change my mind about Brin. I
Speaker 2: was missing Bran and I go then she's a very
Speaker 2: important part of this on some absolutely, and so it
Speaker 2: was like, I need more time. I need Brent to
Speaker 2: go there and teach these girls yoga. Yes, she'll be there,
Speaker 2: she'll be there. Yes, I saw in the next episode preview.
Speaker 2: I need her to go there. Really kind of jolt
Speaker 2: this so far, I'm intrigued.
Speaker 1: I'm oblessed. Okay, talk about this. First of all, what
Speaker 1: I love is that they're sharing, they're passing the ball,
Speaker 1: you think, yes, I really do. Here's how I would
Speaker 1: boil it down. Jenna lyons like she's so fascinating and
Speaker 1: there's never been a housewife like her. I do think
Speaker 1: she thinks she's a little better than the show. I'm
Speaker 1: curious about her motives to be on the show. I
Speaker 1: think she very much wants to be on reality television.
Speaker 1: She had her show on HBO Max was agramas called
Speaker 1: Stylish with genera lions. I watched that, and then she
Speaker 1: comes to Housewives and she's like, I'm uncomfortable in group settings.
Speaker 1: I'm reserved and shy.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna tell you about my significant eye, i
Speaker 2: will not tell you about my relationship.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, what exactly was the motive to
Speaker 1: get on this show? And I'm seeing maybe Jenna Lyons
Speaker 1: like and this is I think what's fascinating about her
Speaker 1: is I think she's going to peel layers off of
Speaker 1: herself because she's going to be forced to because these
Speaker 1: women are not going to allow her right to be
Speaker 1: the one that gets away with things if they're all
Speaker 1: exposing themselves exactly. And you can even tell in the
Speaker 1: second episode, Si yes Cy being like she knows my husband,
Speaker 1: why can't we know her girlfriend? But aren't we friends?
Speaker 2: By at that point, I'm gonna be like, well, that's
Speaker 2: a spouse is different than a girlfriend.
Speaker 1: But that's I don't know if you're a housewife.
Speaker 2: Yes, we as an audience and they as friends have
Speaker 2: a right to know who the spouse is. For dating someone,
Speaker 2: like if you're dating someone, if my girl is dating
Speaker 2: someone new, I don't have to know everything about the person, not.
Speaker 1: Everything about the person. But I think when you go
Speaker 1: on reality television and you're saying, like the idea here
Speaker 1: and what's compelling is I'm going to open you up
Speaker 1: to my life, you think you'd open up your life.
Speaker 1: And I think it's interesting because you do see her
Speaker 1: in confessional mom, Yeah, and she's willing to open up.
Speaker 1: I think she wants to go there. And I think
Speaker 1: she was saying in so many words, like my girlfriend
Speaker 1: doesn't want to be a part of this, and I
Speaker 1: have to respect that. And I have to respect that.
Speaker 1: And this is a decision I've made for myself. I
Speaker 1: didn't make it for her, which is, you know, there
Speaker 1: is this interesting thing, and I've dealt with it, like
Speaker 1: I'm sure that like people have dealt with it to
Speaker 1: a certain extent. But it's like when you like someone
Speaker 1: and you want them to be in your life, but
Speaker 1: they're uncomfortable with that part of it.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know I'm saying totally, and so then what
Speaker 2: do you do if you're a general Lions. What do
Speaker 2: you do if Matt Rogers is General Lions. If I'm
Speaker 2: General Lions, if you're at the topping roads in the
Speaker 2: Hampton's and they're asking you know.
Speaker 1: What, I guess I do exactly what she's doing, but
Speaker 1: you open up another areas. I open up in other areas.
Speaker 1: And also, I think, because obviously she wants to put
Speaker 1: her relationship first, that's meaningful to her, but she can't
Speaker 1: be surprised when these women who don't have those boundaries
Speaker 1: are going to come for her in that way, because
Speaker 1: that's again, that's another decision that you make. When you
Speaker 1: say this area of my life is off limits, and
Speaker 1: that sentence becomes a storyline, then it's a storyline.
Speaker 2: It's a storyline, and then people want to uncover that exactly.
Speaker 1: Yes, the vultures come out to hunt. The vultures will
Speaker 1: pick your bones. In the words of Oprah, pick your
Speaker 1: vultures are waiting to pick your bones.
Speaker 2: That to Megan Markle it was to someone maybe are
Speaker 2: waiting to pick your bones.
Speaker 1: Wow. If that wasn't that interview, then that quote gets
Speaker 1: lost because of course it was not an interview.
Speaker 2: It was not an interview, but ClickHole did do like
Speaker 2: a super cut of all the time. Oprah has said,
Speaker 2: the vultures are waiting to pick your super impose that audio.
Speaker 2: The vultures in this case being the other girls, the
Speaker 2: other girls and the New York Post, The New York Post.
Speaker 2: What are your feelings about the other women? I love
Speaker 2: how me and Jessel is to her husband now we
Speaker 2: find out they don't fuck.
Speaker 1: I actually but I actually don't love Jessel. You don't,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? I'm into Jessel.
Speaker 2: She's a fashion girl, but she's still wearing Alexander Wang
Speaker 2: in the year twenty twenty two as when they shot that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, don't you know this? Are you
Speaker 2: a PR girl?
Speaker 1: Like oh wow to be in PR in fashion pr
Speaker 1: and not know that like kind of persona and nongrato.
Speaker 1: You know what, though, this is what I'll say without
Speaker 1: saying too much. Fashion people are very sensitive and they're
Speaker 1: very like defensive about the cancel culture. Of course, of course,
Speaker 1: like I've talked to a few people because there's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll just don't chickamon of it all. Huh,
Speaker 1: Like they have a very racist, problematic history, a recent
Speaker 1: history even that they never really addressed. But a lot
Speaker 1: of people make an issue with it. But you still
Speaker 1: see it being worn a lot. And so in my
Speaker 1: conversations with people that are in fashion, I do get
Speaker 1: the sense that, like people are very defensive about it
Speaker 1: and like, well, you can't do that, like cancel culture
Speaker 1: is wrong, right right right.
Speaker 2: It's like, let's say you're being a little bit more
Speaker 2: impassioned than anyone else was about the original problem, which
Speaker 2: is their fault anyway.
Speaker 1: Especially her being like an Indian woman, and literally I
Speaker 1: was obsessed with genaal lines being like you can't have
Speaker 1: the wordmark of Blenciaga. Come on, what do you literally
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Literally, what are you doing? What
Speaker 1: are you doing? And that's what I love, because one
Speaker 1: thing Jenna Liance is achieving is she does seem like
Speaker 1: the sekhest person in New York. That vintage Mercedes took
Speaker 1: my breath away. Forget it. I had to rewind. I like,
Speaker 1: does she just drive up into light blue vintage Mercedes
Speaker 1: to the Hamptons. I was like, well, this is.
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with the pearls and the necktie and the confessionals.
Speaker 2: I'm like, fuck everything. That's exactly right. When she called
Speaker 2: her dickla Taja Landing Strip.
Speaker 1: She's a little key. Oh yeah, she's talking about fucking.
Speaker 1: She is talking about fucking, and I'll be honest, I
Speaker 1: felt a little horned up when she said when it's
Speaker 1: two women, both people get taken care of. Oh my god, wait,
Speaker 1: do I have a genal lions Lauren? Lauren Matt's go
Speaker 1: to Jenna. Matt's got a general rons, big culture, big
Speaker 1: New York culture. I'm not putting Jenner Lions out there
Speaker 1: on her own for Cold Open. Matt is putting on
Speaker 1: the glasses. He's gonna go out there with her as
Speaker 1: a second Jenna. Jennah's gonna sneak up on him. Jennah's
Speaker 1: gonna sneak up on him, and He's gonna be, of
Speaker 1: course aloof because she's a loof. Because she's a loof.
Speaker 1: I told him react as Jenna. I don't know this
Speaker 1: that this is what he says. I don't work for
Speaker 1: him or with him. Yes, absolutely, you're in. You're in
Speaker 1: the diamonds. I mean, I like so, I like Jenna
Speaker 1: a lot. I like Yes, Uba has won me over.
Speaker 1: Uba has won me over within an episode. I was like, first,
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know about this. Yeah, now
Speaker 1: I'm like, love it. I'm into Uba. Love how far
Speaker 1: aways your house from provisions? It's so funny. I didn't
Speaker 1: expect to turn on her right this quickly. I kind
Speaker 1: of don't care for Cy. I like Cy.
Speaker 2: Everything that comes out of her mouth is well, I'm
Speaker 2: a content creator, I'm a digital influencer. I grew up poor,
Speaker 2: and so I bring five ply toilet paper to someone
Speaker 2: else's house.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, can we talk about this toilet paper thing? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't think I had ever thought about this, but
Speaker 1: I think I do judge when I go to someone's
Speaker 1: house and their toilet paper is like, butthole problematic. Do
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Yeah, the single ply like
Speaker 1: when you rub it on your hole and it feels
Speaker 1: like a little bit like sandpaper.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's like, it's unacceptable to me. It's like
Speaker 2: what they would have on an airplane right.
Speaker 1: Restroom. For me, it's just like, yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: It's something I had not thought about until this episode.
Speaker 1: But if your toilet paper is really bad, that to me,
Speaker 1: is just like physically inconsiderate of your guest.
Speaker 2: Buttholes, I don't know, would you find it rude if
Speaker 2: someone brought their own toilet paper to like your vacation house.
Speaker 1: What that says to me? Because, by the way, readers,
Speaker 1: this is what happened. So Ci on the Real Houses
Speaker 1: in New York was concerned that Aaron on the Real
Speaker 1: Houses of New York would not have acceptable toilet paper
Speaker 1: at her Hampton's home, which I'm sure she's got top
Speaker 1: of the line stuff. But Ci brings the toilet paper
Speaker 1: into the house because she needs her specific toilet paper.
Speaker 1: For me, this is a great a Housewives move. I
Speaker 1: love it. I lost classic Housewives move. What I think
Speaker 1: it was rude. The insinuation is that you're cheap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the host, the host.
Speaker 2: I just what really got under my skin right at
Speaker 2: the top of episode two was her packing nine suitcases
Speaker 2: for a three h trip.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, I really disliked this kind of person.
Speaker 1: It was garment bags.
Speaker 2: Though it was not great, it was full fucking a
Speaker 2: lot of the bags were garment bags.
Speaker 1: Okay, it was too much back, it was too much package.
Speaker 1: But she Okay, So here's the thing. So now as
Speaker 1: someone who's been doing a good amount of branded when
Speaker 1: you're doing it, you know it's cringe, but also the
Speaker 1: money is real. Yes, I don't begrudge her of doing it.
Speaker 1: She's getting her content.
Speaker 2: I think all she talks about is for content, and
Speaker 2: that's where I'm like, there's got to be something else, Like,
Speaker 2: what do you like to do?
Speaker 1: Do you think it's over correcting? I think it's definitely compensatory. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to know what the husband did. Oh, because
Speaker 1: he's retired, you think there's a gun chocks that you No,
Speaker 1: I don't think that at all. Okay, I just want
Speaker 1: to know because they live in the most gorgeous brownstone. Yes,
Speaker 1: they do live in a gorgeous Oh, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Well all these women have amazing home. Yes, we haven't
Speaker 1: seen prince House. Though we have not seen Prince House.
Speaker 1: You're right, I get the feeling she's the most loudest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: down home, down home, Yeah, yeah, I will say. Her
Speaker 1: tagline has really grown on me. What is it? I'll
Speaker 1: dit your dad. I love to laugh, but maked date
Speaker 1: your dad. I love the fact that I love to laugh,
Speaker 1: but make me mad. And now that your dad like,
Speaker 1: don't relive in the same sentence, and that to me
Speaker 1: makes it perfect. And the way she bites her lip
Speaker 1: when they edited it into the thing, it made me really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good gravitates to gravitate to her.
Speaker 2: Of course, I do think that Jessel has a tagline
Speaker 2: that's that's a little too good for her, which is
Speaker 2: I always bring the flavor.
Speaker 1: It's not my fault. You don't have any taste really good.
Speaker 1: Her lingerie that she got from Gemma that was disgusting.
Speaker 1: It was bad. Lingerie is terrible. But if I didn't
Speaker 1: bring lingerie to like a lingerie themed thing, it's like
Speaker 1: a beggar. It's not a beggars can't be chooses.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, I'm not gonna if you gave me
Speaker 2: shitty lingerie, I'm not gonna be like, nah, this looks stupid.
Speaker 1: I would say this after a whole day of converse.
Speaker 1: So basically they have this whole day of conversation about
Speaker 1: how she's like self conscious about her body because her
Speaker 1: city section scar, she's not fucking her husband. It's been
Speaker 1: a topic as it's a nerve. Yeah, and then you
Speaker 1: get a piece of lingerie when all these women, some
Speaker 1: of them are literally modeled. Yeah, you're someone who's obviously
Speaker 1: very image conscious because you're in fashion. You're also on
Speaker 1: the Real High Stars of New York. On the second episode,
Speaker 1: you get lingerie given to you by Jenna Alliance. That's
Speaker 1: size or two too big, right, I mean, Jenna knows
Speaker 1: that's not cute. Sure, for me it was. This is
Speaker 1: maybe a controversial opinion. It was within bounds of her
Speaker 1: to complain, maybe not to the extent that she was.
Speaker 1: I've been like, this is fucking disgusting, It's terrible, I
Speaker 1: hate it, this is hideous. That's what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: the extent, the extent of.
Speaker 2: The complaining is what kind of graded on me, And
Speaker 2: that I get the more that were talking about it,
Speaker 2: the where I'm like, okay, this is good.
Speaker 1: Like if I said to all of our friends, if
Speaker 1: it was all of us, like if we all went
Speaker 1: to Fire Island, which was like our Hampton's culture, and
Speaker 1: I said, you guys, I got us all garments. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I gave you a garment that was like a
Speaker 1: tent and ugly. But if everyone else brought a garment
Speaker 1: and I did not bring a garment, and you get But.
Speaker 2: I don't think they brought the garments. I think the
Speaker 2: garments were all gifts from Jenna. Yes, oh okay, I
Speaker 2: missed that part.
Speaker 1: That to me was what was kind of about it.
Speaker 1: And I was like, then, yeah, then we're team Jessel
Speaker 1: and then this I understand her reaction. Yes, yes, I
Speaker 1: get it totally because it's like, girl, it's too big,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, and then you're going
Speaker 1: to force me to come down in it, right, and
Speaker 1: with the context of what we talked about with her husband,
Speaker 1: what they all talked about as a group about the husband,
Speaker 1: and yeah, okay, that's tough. That's tough. Now now we're
Speaker 1: going to see now we're getting into the housewives. This
Speaker 1: is the meat of the show.
Speaker 2: This is the meat of the show. I just did
Speaker 2: reminisce even today before before that word.
Speaker 1: I love that word, reminisce. Reminisce. Isn't that a gorgeous word? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, literally bad, I N I s C. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's right. Oh r E R M and
Speaker 1: I SC that's what you said. I'm so sorry. I
Speaker 1: didn't mean to know because I think that it's still
Speaker 1: could be wrong. Reminnace. No, it's reminisce. That was good.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Becca produce. Rebecca, who, by the way, is
Speaker 1: in the merch? Can you just get can we just
Speaker 1: make sure that did you flop? Okay? Good? So she's
Speaker 1: in the merch, which I think looks way cuter on
Speaker 1: a human being in person than it does on the website.
Speaker 1: This is what the girls are doing, is the merch
Speaker 1: drops are accompanied by a little cute photo shoot in
Speaker 1: the park. We should have been on that. It's okay,
Speaker 1: that's for next time. We know, for next time, next time,
Speaker 1: we know. But the merch is really cute.
Speaker 2: The merch is really cute. Okay, yeah, it's really good.
Speaker 2: Can we talk quickly about well I was reminiscing about.
Speaker 2: I was literally going, gosh, we had we had a
Speaker 2: rats will on this show.
Speaker 1: We really did once. And Carol is although I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that she was photographed with Gallaine Maxwell at one point,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that, and she.
Speaker 2: Like had to beat off allegations that like she she
Speaker 2: was in Epstein contact. No did she really her name
Speaker 2: was in some book and she had to be like,
Speaker 2: I've never met him.
Speaker 1: You do not want your name in an Epstein book.
Speaker 1: You really don't it's really closure number nine. You do
Speaker 1: not want your name in an Epstein book. That is
Speaker 1: a recipe for disaster.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But she I just think like her, even being
Speaker 2: like dangentially as succeeded with Epstein. There's something so hilariously
Speaker 2: old New York quote unquote old New York about it,
Speaker 2: old money. Literally is like, God, these like stupid fucking
Speaker 2: rich people. Yeah, you know what I mean, and that
Speaker 2: there's something ronie about that. Yeah, there's a thing ronie
Speaker 2: about that. And I'm missing that, and I know that
Speaker 2: it's an intentional I'll reset to have none of that
Speaker 2: in this iteration. But like a Morgan and we hand,
Speaker 2: you know, a countess, but like Carol, like was in
Speaker 2: Kandahar for six weeks reporting for ABC News, that is
Speaker 2: a woman. These women are impressive though they're very impressive women.
Speaker 1: I would say, like, and I'm hesitant to even bring
Speaker 1: the politics into it because obviously I can't verify this,
Speaker 1: but like the errand of it, all the errand of it.
Speaker 1: Also apparently allegedly Erin maybe donated some money four hundred
Speaker 1: dollars to Trump after the election. After the election. The
Speaker 1: funniest detail, which is truly insane, that story is developing. Yes,
Speaker 1: but it's a shame because I do like her on
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 2: I know, but unfortunately it's really hard for me as
Speaker 2: an audience member to have her come back from that.
Speaker 2: I'm watching it, I go, I don't like.
Speaker 1: I don't like you. If that's the case. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but listen, that's why you don't do that. Right, speaking
Speaker 1: of don't do that, I have really been struggling with
Speaker 1: you not being here during these last few weeks seven
Speaker 1: just like that, let's talk about it. Well, is there
Speaker 1: anything to say? Does anything happen on the show? You
Speaker 1: know what? That's that's a lie. In this last episode,
Speaker 1: a lot of things happened, but it took a really
Speaker 1: long time for things to happen. Right. The cha ideas
Speaker 1: of it all is has now become the monster is
Speaker 1: now self aware the focus group from a couple episodes ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did not think that they would go in
Speaker 2: that direction, and I'm kind of into it. Maybe it's
Speaker 2: like that Barbie thing of like, see we're self aware.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: I think Sara Ramirez at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: they are one of our great talents. One it is
Speaker 2: like some little injustice that they were given this role
Speaker 2: to begin with. Across the board, the new women in
Speaker 2: the show are like, what is this? I'm like the
Speaker 2: contracts of it all, like the fact that, like Karen
Speaker 2: Pittman is under contract with this show and she, as
Speaker 2: her character Naya has to just sit at dinner and like,
Speaker 2: oh my divorce, hold on and write a text message
Speaker 2: and then be like ugh, okay, dealt with that, and
Speaker 2: we as the audience don't know what happened. The women
Speaker 2: are not interested in asking her about it. Nope, and
Speaker 2: messed up.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, this is the problem with it
Speaker 1: is It's like you could have had a show about Carrie,
Speaker 1: Miranda and Charlotte that was them, like engaging in the
Speaker 1: new world without being so patronizing as to include all
Speaker 1: these new women and do nothing with them exactly. And
Speaker 1: then the one you do the most with is the worst.
Speaker 1: Sema is terrible.
Speaker 2: I feel comfortable publicly saying that. I really every line
Speaker 2: read to me is giving rolling on rehearsal. She's out
Speaker 2: of her genre, rolling on rehearsal. Like we loved Serita
Speaker 2: and Homeland. She was great in Homeland, all of the projects.
Speaker 2: This is just not the genre and I'm just.
Speaker 1: Like, there was no care put into any of these
Speaker 1: characters or the casting. I swear to god, every scene
Speaker 1: with LTW and her husband is still written by Sasame
Speaker 1: Street writers. It becomes Sasame Street when when they're on camera.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that these are conversations that this couple has.
Speaker 1: It's wild to me, and then like it comes at
Speaker 1: the expense of the main storylines, and then you just
Speaker 1: have a weird, bad show these scenes and onlines that
Speaker 1: are not buttons. There's like a scoring in the show
Speaker 1: which is very just concerning. Oh my god, the scoring, Mama,
Speaker 1: what it's like never there, It's like it's not moving.
Speaker 1: Sarah Jessica looks bored and miserable. I think she's having fun,
Speaker 1: you think so. I think the whole like her waiting
Speaker 1: and urging care for that guy. I think she was
Speaker 1: like in her like meet cute bag that she hasn't
Speaker 1: been able to do for a while. I think the
Speaker 1: only person acting on the show is Cynthia, and Cynthia's
Speaker 1: doing it, and Cynthia's naeling She's doing great, but when
Speaker 1: it's compelling, it's like that scene with her and Steve
Speaker 1: Yes that was like incredible, right, I don't think her
Speaker 1: reaction it's shaving like I need space, and Miranda's like okay,
Speaker 1: like even just all that landing on her, you can tell.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, like this is great. Cynthia is incredible.
Speaker 2: She's an incredible actor. It's just like I don't believe
Speaker 2: that Miranda is this dumb, right, and just to go
Speaker 2: back to the LTW stuff, like there is nothing to
Speaker 2: track because out of nowhere, the husband is running for control,
Speaker 2: right because she said so, because she said to like
Speaker 2: an anniversary dinner as a way of like changing the parwadidamic
Speaker 2: with the mother in law, I'm like, right.
Speaker 1: What is Yeah, they've lost that thread. And now it's
Speaker 1: like they hint at there maybe gonna be conflict in
Speaker 1: their storyline because they both have an event, like a
Speaker 1: big event, because their whole thing is that they're busy.
Speaker 2: They're busy, and yet this woman is an award winning
Speaker 2: documentarian who uses iMovie. Check the damn interface on the mac.
Speaker 2: I mean she's editing her documentaries on a MacBook, not
Speaker 2: pro on immovie.
Speaker 1: Do people do that? Not award winning documentarian? You're certainly right,
Speaker 1: But I love that they were like oh, there's potentially
Speaker 1: going to be conflict here, and then her husband literally
Speaker 1: shows up for her, and the scene ends with her
Speaker 1: being like I'm so lucky to have support at home
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, so what was the conflict of
Speaker 1: the storyline? Like what is it? I know, I know,
Speaker 1: it just becomes like it's wild. And here's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's weird to see people engage with the show because
Speaker 1: it's like there's this weird idea that's out there, like
Speaker 1: people have to be positive about it, or that people
Speaker 1: have to be like like, I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: that there's like definitely conversation about the quality, which is
Speaker 1: like low, it's just not well done. But there's this
Speaker 1: thing of like but we still love these women, and
Speaker 1: we love watching these women, and I'd rather have this
Speaker 1: than anything else. It's like, you guys, this is what's
Speaker 1: sort of broken about all you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like we have to retriet this so much because
Speaker 1: like we can't actually get compelling new stories for women
Speaker 1: like this, and you can't coast on nostalgia alone. And
Speaker 1: I think like that's the thing is it's like we're
Speaker 1: really starting to pay for it. I mean, you see
Speaker 1: even the box off receepts for these well trod big
Speaker 1: properties like big IP like Mission Impossible, which I saw,
Speaker 1: like that's really failing. The Indiana Jones movie is doing
Speaker 1: very poorly. It's like I think that there is an
Speaker 1: exhaustion with these like stories being told and told and
Speaker 1: told again to the point where they actually are no
Speaker 1: longer interesting because we've literally seen it. We've seen it literally.
Speaker 2: And I was telling you that I think maybe with
Speaker 2: the Barbie movie is gonna set as a trend is
Speaker 2: like movies about like brands and companies now instead of
Speaker 2: like storylines, and all of those adaptations are going to
Speaker 2: be like meta, right, like.
Speaker 1: Nintendo and Barbie, like Mario and Barbie exactly. Literally the
Speaker 1: movies of the year are Mario and Barbie. And I
Speaker 1: know I understand that. I say, like Maria's Mario. There
Speaker 1: you go, No, no, no, there's no I'm not correcting you.
Speaker 2: Mario and Barbie, however you want to say it, let's
Speaker 2: call the whole thing. Those are the most those are
Speaker 2: the biggest characters in film and Barby Honey, and I
Speaker 2: liked both. And I want to talk about something that
Speaker 2: what I can't talk about it because it's strike.
Speaker 1: What is it? We're going to bleep it out like
Speaker 1: it's catch I'm doing a voice in the movie. Oh,
Speaker 1: I can't talk about it. Sorry, we can't, can't, I can't.
Speaker 1: We can't talk about You'll never know what project now
Speaker 1: because he can't talk about it. I literally can't talk
Speaker 1: about it. Can't sell your streamers. Fran Dresher and Duncan
Speaker 1: Crabtree Ireland are my gods. Fran. I know she got
Speaker 1: in trouble for going in parties with Kim.
Speaker 2: But can we just say I blame Kim because Kim
Speaker 2: fucking savvy as hell, knows what she's doing when she's like,
Speaker 2: get the camera, I want a picture with Fran Dresher.
Speaker 2: She knows exactly how it benefits Kim and how it
Speaker 2: hurts Fran.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like she knows. She's smart. She's one of the smartest.
Speaker 1: She's one of the smartest she is. Do you think
Speaker 1: that she'll be good? Can we talk about it? Neither
Speaker 1: of us are in it as far as I know.
Speaker 1: Unless that's one of your projects, are you in it?
Speaker 1: I didn't even get an audition for The American Horror Story.
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian i'ma Roberts karadillavine.
Speaker 2: I think you're closer to American horror story than I am.
Speaker 2: You think so absolutely, definitely, definitely you've.
Speaker 1: Got the Ryan Murphy. You think I've got the Ryan Murphy. Look,
Speaker 1: you got the Ryan Murphy. Luk. I only mean that
Speaker 1: as a compliment. I only take my handsome king, my
Speaker 1: handsome girl. Listen, you know what I was watching what
Speaker 1: this is a really good documentary, the Rock Hudson documentary.
Speaker 1: I need it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah all that he allowed that Heaven Allows Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: which is like a Rock Cutson movie. But then like
Speaker 2: they it was really good.
Speaker 1: It was it was actually fascinating, and I traditional handsomeness
Speaker 1: got me there. But I was just like watching it
Speaker 1: and I was like, what a fucked time. I know,
Speaker 1: like and I guess, like you know, it's still all fucked.
Speaker 1: But it's just so weird that like the secret lives
Speaker 1: that had to be lived, and like I just always
Speaker 1: like a chill runs up my spine when I see
Speaker 1: like gay men partying like in the pines, like in
Speaker 1: the eighties, like and around that time. It just like man,
Speaker 1: oh man, like it just it's so hard to wrap
Speaker 1: your head around I know that reality that nightmare. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I not to quickly descend into no, no devastation, but
Speaker 1: that was really a tough watch. You get the sense that,
Speaker 1: like it's sort of nightmare. It would have been impossible.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah for us, it would have absolutely been impossible
Speaker 1: for me, Yeah, for you, for so many people. I
Speaker 1: just think about, like, well, anyway, I literally just looked
Speaker 1: down on my paper and it said Rush by choice
Speaker 1: of And I'm like, at least we have queer joy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, I just love my
Speaker 1: friends so much, and I love my community so much,
Speaker 1: and it's just sad. It's just very sad. And I
Speaker 1: that was top of mine because I had watched the
Speaker 1: Rock Cuts and documentary and if you want to marry
Speaker 1: an in that, you can go watch that. But I'm
Speaker 1: not going to drag the readers down with the ship here.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about another documentary and it's not
Speaker 2: that I've seen it, but I want to see it.
Speaker 2: But it's on studio platform.
Speaker 1: Oh damn it. So I feel like I should. You
Speaker 1: can't talk about it. Talk about it? Rush by Troy
Speaker 1: Sevon can be talked about. Let's talk about it. What
Speaker 1: a great song. I fucking loved it. I love it.
Speaker 1: I still love it. It's gonna make you on to pop
Speaker 1: the poppers. Absolutely. I also haven't. I haven't had sex,
Speaker 1: and like, I know, are we in our little vall
Speaker 1: cell era, I haven't had sex in two months? Does
Speaker 1: that sound right? Yeah? I yuess so yeah.
Speaker 2: The jessel up in here, you're getting it. I'm like
Speaker 2: a gay jess gay just two months is two years
Speaker 2: for gay? You wearing Alexander Wang never Me Never You
Speaker 2: Rush by Troy Sevon. I mean, can I confess? But
Speaker 2: I still haven't seen the music video. You haven't I know,
Speaker 2: Oh man, I've seen the clips and I'm like, oh oh,
Speaker 2: I mean there's some choreo. Yes, I I do love
Speaker 2: the choro.
Speaker 1: I might be whipping out some unknown talents acting a modeling,
Speaker 1: modeling that the single cover is like one of the
Speaker 1: most gorgeous photos and he's got his images down.
Speaker 2: I just I love that this man has chosen a lane,
Speaker 2: which is I'm gonna write songs about the moments right
Speaker 2: before something goes in there.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, one, two three, Take all of Me, Bloom.
Speaker 1: Look at the lyrics of Bloom. I Bloom just for you.
Speaker 1: I bottom just for you. That means that there was
Speaker 1: one person.
Speaker 2: My favorite choice of on lyric, You want to know
Speaker 2: what should be the last night ever? Should be the
Speaker 2: last night we're apart? Got my name on this treasure,
Speaker 2: on this treasure?
Speaker 1: Love it. My favorite choice of on lyric is Himan Easy, Easy, Easy,
Speaker 1: Please don't leave me.
Speaker 2: Amy, you and Troy No, I'm saying you. Can we
Speaker 2: talk about why you've been hanging out?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Can I just that's my strike, that's your strike. I
Speaker 2: want to say, and the broadest terms, and please cut
Speaker 2: me off? Okay to all the reader. Katie's publicists finalized,
Speaker 2: Matt is doing some very fun things.
Speaker 1: There will be a new era. There will be a
Speaker 1: new era. That's where we're gonna leave that. Okay, we
Speaker 1: can say that much honestly. Maybe by the time this
Speaker 1: is out, something will No. I don't know what I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, Okay, but one thing I want to
Speaker 1: say about Twitter becoming X. Yes, I saw that Twitter
Speaker 1: became X and I laughed, Yes, my ass because off
Speaker 1: because I just thought, this is the stupidest thing in
Speaker 1: the world, that Twitter becomes X. And I wanted to
Speaker 1: clear something up when I saw that Twitter was becoming X.
Speaker 1: I thought, Okay, this is really over. I thought this
Speaker 1: is really going down fine, So I decided to sort
Speaker 1: of tweet like the world was ending, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And that's what this tweet was. So basically,
Speaker 1: here's what happened. And I want to clear something up
Speaker 1: because I got a lot of concern messages. So I
Speaker 1: used to have a Twitter, and the way that I
Speaker 1: would tweet it sort of like the way I speak
Speaker 1: on this podcast, very like the plane takes off, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's gonna land. Whenever I start a sentence,
Speaker 1: I just hope to land the plane, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, I don't know my words, but I
Speaker 1: do and all my heart a sort of essential tenet
Speaker 1: of my personality. That's my Housewives tag line. I don't
Speaker 1: know my words, but I do know my heart. So
Speaker 1: I decided to just start tweeting, like run on sentences
Speaker 1: crazy and I said something it's giving James Joyce. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just like crazy tweeting, like trying to make jokes,
Speaker 1: and then people were like, what's going on? This is cringe?
Speaker 1: What's wrong? Is something going on? Is something wrong? I
Speaker 1: think because of the content I honestly even forget what
Speaker 1: I said, but I was like, okay, so you can't
Speaker 1: actually just have fun on this platform and like do
Speaker 1: whatever because you can no longer communicate on that app.
Speaker 1: Like I miss when Twitter used to be a place
Speaker 1: where you kind of just like pop off and say
Speaker 1: anything and like you could be funny and like whatever.
Speaker 1: But now it's just like everything means something. It's just
Speaker 1: like it just gets so I can't even do that
Speaker 1: on Instagram anymore. Like I like just wanted to like
Speaker 1: talk some shit about like people who are tweeting. Literally
Speaker 1: Twitter is the origin, and then people were like god,
Speaker 1: this is cringe, this is awful, like why and I'm
Speaker 1: just like okay, wait, and there is no fun place anymore.
Speaker 1: I mean like look, if what you did didn't land,
Speaker 1: what I did didn't land, that's like ultimately on us
Speaker 1: or whatever. But it's just like it reminds me why
Speaker 1: I don't have Twitter is because like, oh, it's too
Speaker 1: easy for things to land, and like it's just it's
Speaker 1: too much gray area, and like intentional gray area, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like people are like.
Speaker 2: It's where it operates. It is like some bad faith interpretation.
Speaker 2: But I've told you the moment that it jumped to
Speaker 2: the shark for me, right was I was stoned watching
Speaker 2: Looney Tunes, I tweet from my personal account. God, the
Speaker 2: Looney Tunes are so iconic. All my replies are, this
Speaker 2: isn't news, Oh what are you talking about? Of course
Speaker 2: this didn't have to be said, and I'm like, we've
Speaker 2: really lost You.
Speaker 1: Couldn't even say something positive about.
Speaker 2: That about Looney Tunes, about the most like a universally
Speaker 2: beloved thing.
Speaker 1: Ever, they had to say, this isn't news. You don't
Speaker 1: even like something that people love. I think what I
Speaker 1: said on Twitter was something. I deleted it because it
Speaker 1: was just getting too Yeah, I said something like god,
Speaker 1: what it was like. People were like, he's going off
Speaker 1: about his ex. I'm like, I'm literally not. You know
Speaker 1: what it was. I was talking to my friend about
Speaker 1: how he's in a relationship but he can still be
Speaker 1: on his host shit on Instagram, and so I tweeted,
Speaker 1: I love when I see people in relationships still on
Speaker 1: their whoreship. Yeah, clearly that means you spoke to your partner.
Speaker 1: They said, baby, be you. I said, congratulations, horror, marry them.
Speaker 1: You will never do better and people were like, it's
Speaker 1: crazy to see you slut shame. I was like, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about. I was like, I think everyone
Speaker 1: should be a whore. I literally know one of my
Speaker 1: number one mission statements is slut dumb for everyone. I
Speaker 1: literally was congratulating people on having communication open that they
Speaker 1: felt they could be a whore on INSTAGM. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: And then I was on I thought I was on fire,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, oh, I'm gonna tweet again,
Speaker 1: and I said something like we have to stop trying
Speaker 1: to change each other in relationships. You DMed me because
Speaker 1: you thought he's cute and I'm smarter than him, and
Speaker 1: so now I'm not going to start reading because I'm
Speaker 1: an actress. Woe better than revenge belt belt and people
Speaker 1: were like, why are you doing this? It's like you
Speaker 1: can't be too detailed. It was like, I thought it
Speaker 1: was funny.
Speaker 2: Right, but it's like you can't be too like, you
Speaker 2: can't like put too much detail on it, you can't
Speaker 2: be too vague.
Speaker 1: Like our own girls were like, I know, I know.
Speaker 1: It's a weird collective time right now. Venus is in
Speaker 1: retrograde and is Leo season, which got me really excited.
Speaker 1: Did you see chohnnie Ye did her post? He got
Speaker 1: me really hype Leo season could be fun? She said,
Speaker 1: all caps unfollow. I said, I know that's right.
Speaker 2: I know Brooke Ashley at the Rony premiere, I said,
Speaker 2: I know that's right. I've been saying that to you
Speaker 2: a lot lately. I k t R, I k t R,
Speaker 2: I k t R favorite radio station. Now, before we
Speaker 2: move on to I Don't Think so money, and close
Speaker 2: out the episode really quickly, I want to say. The
Speaker 2: only cult ripe and consuming besides Barbie and Oppenheimer Laer
Speaker 2: tonight is couple's therapy.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, obsessed, obsessed.
Speaker 2: You're middle of the season. I'm in the mid What
Speaker 2: do you think so far? Sean and Erica, Well, he
Speaker 2: is a villain. I would agree, Erica, I.
Speaker 1: Think we need to move on.
Speaker 2: There's a kid. Yeah, but there's a I know it's
Speaker 2: not a reason to stay. There's a kid, and she
Speaker 2: has had a life.
Speaker 1: That's certainly true. I get it. I'd like whenever someone
Speaker 1: is in a bad relationship and I see it, and
Speaker 1: especially now like with the years accumulating, like it's always
Speaker 1: just like God, I understand more and more why people
Speaker 1: don't act. I do get it, but it's also so
Speaker 1: clear when they need to. I know, and you wish
Speaker 1: you had that for yourself, but you can never tell
Speaker 1: for yourself.
Speaker 2: No, you need an Orna. Matters of the heart, matters
Speaker 2: of the heart. Orna is amazing, one of the most
Speaker 2: impressive people I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would extend the invite for her to come
Speaker 1: on this podcast, but I'd be scared why because she'd
Speaker 1: be like, now, where did you go? Where did you go?
Speaker 1: Where are you Matt And why did you when he
Speaker 1: said that you flinched? You flinched? No? Can I just
Speaker 1: say what's happening here? Her inflection on her questions that
Speaker 1: just that light accent, the light sort of like, tell me,
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. I think it's interesting. That's got
Speaker 1: an Orna's got an Urna. She is.
Speaker 2: My favorite thing is when she goes it's like the
Speaker 2: first time she meets the couples and she goes, so
Speaker 2: tell me, tell me, tell me so chic And can
Speaker 2: I say this is not me being shady?
Speaker 1: You should be or not on weekend not to talk
Speaker 1: about the industry. No, no, no, we're not, We're not. We're
Speaker 1: not plugging, we're not scabbing.
Speaker 2: The way she dresses is both oh not quite right
Speaker 2: and yet the chicest. And you can tell her kids
Speaker 2: have done like weird little microbraids on her, and you're like,
Speaker 2: you let that happen because you're a good mother. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you're cheak enough that you can just like pull
Speaker 2: it off and wear like a blazer and walk out
Speaker 2: the door and be like, I'm a psychoanalyst, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, only a psychoanalyst could really get away with it.
Speaker 2: I mean, just where where does she live? For green
Speaker 2: something that. Yeah, it's giving like Central Brooks. I love
Speaker 2: the Central brooklynesthetic. It's that vibe.
Speaker 1: I you know what's crazy is it's like you have
Speaker 1: to imagine like these people are going on that show.
Speaker 1: They know it's a television show, so they come in
Speaker 1: with that baggage. And I feel like in this season
Speaker 1: it's the first time that I'm ever seeing people be
Speaker 1: like look at their partner and be like, Okay, well
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this thing on television.
Speaker 2: Right, But I think the camera is not being visible
Speaker 2: at all at any point. Mind trick, mind trick, And yes,
Speaker 2: either the person is hyper aware for that reason, that
Speaker 2: the cameras are there, like through like the two way
Speaker 2: mirror or or the one way mirror, whatever it is,
Speaker 2: or they just completely forget. But what Orna says in
Speaker 2: all this press that she's done for the shows in
Speaker 2: the last few years, because I like was googling her,
Speaker 2: She's like, I thought the cameras would be an obstacle,
Speaker 2: but now the work, the work is the work, and
Speaker 2: I'm like work. She's incredible, She's amazing.
Speaker 1: She is one of the most google able people too,
Speaker 1: Like I think her Wikipedia could be longer. Absolutely, I
Speaker 1: don't never think that about anybody. Never ever think that
Speaker 1: about anyone. I'll be honest. Sometimes I go to someone's
Speaker 1: Wikipedia and I think to myself, say that I didn't
Speaker 1: need all this. I need all this, get made a
Speaker 1: personal life quicker honey on my own, on my own edit.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, are you kidding me? I'm going y'all
Speaker 1: are still quoting that marine out piece? No, that was
Speaker 1: not it, okay, mine, says my sat Nact scores. I said,
Speaker 1: that's not okay, not okay. That's a violation. That's hippa.
Speaker 1: You know what, that's a hip that's a hippa violation.
Speaker 1: That actually might be no, it might be well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna look into it. I think I must have said
Speaker 1: that on the podcast. I'm twenty nineteen, like when I
Speaker 1: was like and then like now they're just out there
Speaker 1: and they're they're right, those are my scores.
Speaker 2: But no one needs to know. And you know, motherfucking
Speaker 2: Willie Geist is going to be like in a couple
Speaker 2: of years, be like, so I read that you got
Speaker 2: a thirty one on your AC.
Speaker 1: I did get a thirty one. Did you just guess that?
Speaker 1: I just guessed that's a good score. I thought it
Speaker 1: was pretty fucking good. Great, But then people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: like what there. All of a sudden you realize that
Speaker 1: like Randos in your life have these really high sat
Speaker 1: n Act scores, but outing you by saying you got
Speaker 1: a perfect score and that you no, no, you're not
Speaker 1: adding me, You're not adding that's pretty fucking good, bitch.
Speaker 2: It's but it's I was a good test taker and
Speaker 2: I was not even books smart, definitely not street smart.
Speaker 1: Were you doping? I was doping. I was doping in
Speaker 1: the testing center. The proctor saw me dope, and I said,
Speaker 1: I'll let you get away with it. I'm gonna read
Speaker 1: a random real culture. Okay, okay, Wow, we have so
Speaker 1: many repeat numbers. Oh my god, look roller culture number
Speaker 1: seventy two, bo Bowen and Matt Are, Oprah and Winfrey.
Speaker 1: Whatever that means. Whatever that means. Now it's okay. So
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at my list of cultural topics and
Speaker 1: I'm seeing, I'm seeing if I can source one of
Speaker 1: them for our segment.
Speaker 2: Hunter Biden. I do think so, honey, Hunter Biden. You
Speaker 2: are obsessed with Hunter Biden in a good way. I
Speaker 2: would like to play him in a biopic. Yes, I know,
Speaker 2: asker Winner.
Speaker 1: I think Hunter Biden is my Oscar. It's the best
Speaker 1: cast thing since Margot Robbie played Barbie. I would absolutely
Speaker 1: slay as Hunter Biden. I'm speechless. I'm not I'm ready
Speaker 1: to read the script.
Speaker 2: Are you gonna have them draw the bags under your
Speaker 2: eyes or are you gonna I honestly don't need them
Speaker 2: drawn in Look, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Or are you gonna like really like pull pull pull
Speaker 1: poll like. I will do what I need to do
Speaker 1: to be methodist Hunter Biden if it means I needed
Speaker 1: to do whatever I need to do, I've rarely felt
Speaker 1: as connected to a piece as I feel about the
Speaker 1: Hunter Biden Bile pic that's not yet written. I don't
Speaker 1: know who's gonna write it. Maybe it's you Well, who
Speaker 1: majored in dramatic writing, my friend bid I do think so, honey,
Speaker 1: that we spoke about the strike, we spoke about Bowen's absence,
Speaker 1: we spoke about Barbie. I mentioned Mission Impossible, I mentioned
Speaker 1: theater camp. We said we're seeing Oppen Hummer tonight. Yes
Speaker 1: you wanted to go first? Switch it up or not?
Speaker 1: By the way, we're on indictment watch. Indictment. We're on
Speaker 1: an indictment watch. We're gonna get him this time. We
Speaker 1: are gonna get him this time. I was telling you
Speaker 1: right now. I think we have a handful of more
Speaker 1: indictment watches. Okay, I think I can do mine.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is I don't think so, honey. This is
Speaker 2: our a segment where we take one minute to rail
Speaker 2: against something in culture.
Speaker 1: Sorry about this.
Speaker 2: Mann is apologizing ahead of his I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: I'm so interested to see what this is. This is me,
Speaker 2: this is Matt Rogers is I don't think so many painful.
Speaker 2: I don't think Sony as time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Housewives of Potomac and this
Speaker 1: new fight that's happening, maybe Potomac is done. I don't know, Guys.
Speaker 1: It pains me to say it because I do think
Speaker 1: so honey. That I said on this podcast, I believe
Speaker 1: it was four years ago. Don't sleep on Potomac. I
Speaker 1: did not like what I saw on this video. Time
Speaker 1: to go back to bed, any of the girls. It's
Speaker 1: been rough. I don't know what to say about two
Speaker 1: friends of getting into it and this way to the
Speaker 1: point where someone gets tossed down a little flight of stairs.
Speaker 1: The video is chilling. I don't think so, honey. Fighting
Speaker 1: like I don't think so honey. When things come to
Speaker 1: physical bulls for the second time on the show, and
Speaker 1: like a kind of running thing is like who's gonna
Speaker 1: hit who? No, I think this Rony reboot is working.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying we need to reboot Potomac. I'm saying
Speaker 1: we need to look at Potomac five seconds because it's
Speaker 1: not good. And that was like the end of the season.
Speaker 1: Is this going to end on a bad note? I
Speaker 1: don't think so. And that's one that I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 2: I hate saying, I hate hearing, and I hate agreeing
Speaker 2: with you. I'm still firmly of the belief that the
Speaker 2: vibes are bad all around, chiefly emanating from Giselle Bryant,
Speaker 2: Mia Thornton Darby, these two fucking what's her name Sesame, Sebra,
Speaker 2: Deborah Deborah, and then well apparently it's Wendy's new friend.
Speaker 1: And my thing is just like, of course we don't
Speaker 1: know what happened, but like it was Ashley Darby's event,
Speaker 1: and I just feel like we're not moving forward Towards
Speaker 1: the end of the season. It really wasn't fun to watch.
Speaker 2: Used to be that all these women were funny, yeah,
Speaker 2: and like fun and not that I'm not saying that's
Speaker 2: all a can be, but the vibes were just like
Speaker 2: pretty immaculate for just a second there, and I really
Speaker 2: wish we could freeze that an Amber.
Speaker 1: I think something's gotta give with it. I hated seeing
Speaker 1: the fight.
Speaker 2: I don't it was not It was not a good
Speaker 2: thing to watch, and I don't even think I even
Speaker 2: watched the whole way through us.
Speaker 1: It was tard. I did you were the I learned
Speaker 1: from you that they fell down a flight of stairs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was really crazy. I mean like someone could have
Speaker 1: gotten really hurt like it. It was more upsetting than
Speaker 1: the Monique in Canvas fight, of course. Well the Monique
Speaker 1: in Candas fight was like a flurry of violence that
Speaker 1: ended in like them, like in a deadlock, and like
Speaker 1: a lock. This was a knockdown, drag out that was
Speaker 1: a tough one violence and that's atually really coachure number thirty.
Speaker 1: Violence is never the answer. Sorry.
Speaker 2: Okay, well i'll all shift gears. We're gonna get a
Speaker 2: gear shift. I have a text from Andy Cohen. Okay,
Speaker 2: can we read it on the show.
Speaker 1: Thank you for hosting reality Check this week. So I'm
Speaker 1: hosting reality Check this week and radio and very exciting. Andy.
Speaker 1: I want you to know I was not going to
Speaker 1: read your text if it was personal, but it ended
Speaker 1: up being promotional, and so I read that, and it's
Speaker 1: the one thing he can promote. I thought he was
Speaker 1: going to ask me, what are your thoughts on Rony?
Speaker 1: Because I did text him, I electively gave my thoughts. Yes,
Speaker 1: so fun, And I said, do you I just want you
Speaker 1: to know I think this is a home run. And
Speaker 1: he responded and was very excited. He said he was
Speaker 1: breathing a sigh of relief to have it out. And
Speaker 1: I think we're onto good things with this one too.
Speaker 1: He seems excited too. Yeah, you should be. Yeah. Do
Speaker 1: you have something that's kind of grinding your ears too?
Speaker 1: And it's been on my mind for a little bit.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Well you've had much time to think
Speaker 1: of it. Yep, this is Billan Yangs. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: His time starts now.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, honey. The city of Amsterdam. I
Speaker 2: was recently in you with our friend Cola Scola, who
Speaker 2: came up from Ghent to visit me.
Speaker 1: It was really nice to me to love it.
Speaker 2: We saw Dutch Ley Miz Darling, Dear Darling, dear, so
Speaker 2: fun so lovely, was completely in Dutch. I was at
Speaker 2: the opera. Oh, I was like, I don't know what's
Speaker 2: being sung exactly, but I know the story.
Speaker 1: I know. Oh, this is emotionally. You knew every minute.
Speaker 1: Our eponine was phenomenal. Our fontine flop. But I don't
Speaker 1: think some man of the city of Amsterdam as you
Speaker 1: cannot have a weed city, a drug city and have
Speaker 1: everyone be riding bikes. It's a recipe for disaster.
Speaker 2: Either the pedestrians are stoned and being slow and not
Speaker 2: moving out of the way, or the people on the
Speaker 2: bikes are on acid and they shouldn't be on the bike.
Speaker 2: And also the Dutch people in general, it's you can't
Speaker 2: be rude and kookie, and you're both. Most of you
Speaker 2: are both. And I'm gonna be a little racist here
Speaker 2: and say that most of you are both.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was racist against white people to
Speaker 1: say that we're kookie and not all the Dutch. Here's
Speaker 1: the thing when weed becomes a part of a culture.
Speaker 1: I think functionality also goes way up on marijuana. I've
Speaker 1: never figured it out. I'm never functional on it. But
Speaker 1: you were functional when you were like waiting tables. That's
Speaker 1: because the place where I was high waiting tables was
Speaker 1: one of the easiest places to work in America, and
Speaker 1: that ulysses can we say? I think so okay? I
Speaker 1: worked at this restaurant in the financial distruct and I
Speaker 1: would literally work from seven pm to four am. That
Speaker 1: sounds awful on Monday nights. And because we pulled tips,
Speaker 1: it was like every whatever, everyone had made the money
Speaker 1: earlier and so because I was there logging the hours,
Speaker 1: I made the money. So I could go in there
Speaker 1: at like seven pm at the end of a dinner
Speaker 1: rush on Monday, and like stay till four because the
Speaker 1: kitchen was open till four for whatever reason, I was
Speaker 1: on the floor. I wasn't even behind the bar, and
Speaker 1: I would make a lot of money so I could
Speaker 1: be so fucking.
Speaker 2: On Monday at four am. That was my shift Monday,
Speaker 2: seven pm to four am. And because for some reason,
Speaker 2: Monday dinner was good. I think it was lobster night.
Speaker 1: You guys had great seafood, really did. Yeah. And then
Speaker 1: I was able to make a large chunk of the
Speaker 1: money because I had high hours. In fact, I had
Speaker 1: the most hours because I was seven pm to four
Speaker 1: am on a Monday evening.
Speaker 2: Yes, wow, but I would say you were you went
Speaker 2: to work stoned and you it was fine? Like that
Speaker 2: is I've never so some people I don't don't condone.
Speaker 2: Some people can drive a car high, no no way,
Speaker 2: no way, And this is a town full of people
Speaker 2: who ride bikes high or walk around high while bikes
Speaker 2: are flying past them. I was like, this doesn't work. No,
Speaker 2: this doesn't work. Cut to me on the ground. Cut
Speaker 2: to me on the ground in a heap next to
Speaker 2: the end Frank House.
Speaker 1: Cut to me in a heap on the ground next
Speaker 1: to the an Frank House, bloody beaten battern and biked
Speaker 1: down because I was high, because I got high, because
Speaker 1: I got because I got ha Remember when that was
Speaker 1: a number one hit.
Speaker 2: I saw that music video for the first time and
Speaker 2: got a sleepover, all boys sleepover and we were what
Speaker 2: like ten years old, Yeah, being as I got high
Speaker 2: afromn Oh that was his name, that was him, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we were like.
Speaker 1: Becca came in harm with that? Was that your jam?
Speaker 1: You know? Middle school? Were you a Becca? Eighth grade? Stonor? Okay,
Speaker 1: so you were we can say, no the baddest bitch. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: we know, so we know. So you sort of do
Speaker 1: give that vibe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you give off the vibe of I'm grown now
Speaker 2: I don't have to like compensate for anything.
Speaker 1: Well you can't. That's the thing is. It's like talking
Speaker 1: about like high functionality. I can't smoke and do a
Speaker 1: damn thing. No, no more because now I know it
Speaker 1: makes me like anxious socially, like especially like when you're
Speaker 1: already at something and it's going well, and then you
Speaker 1: smoke and you're like, oh no, I didn't have to
Speaker 1: do that. The one and only time it was ever
Speaker 1: good was when we were at the Boom Boom Room.
Speaker 1: You remember when yes, from that one person joint, from
Speaker 1: that one person's joint. Oh my god, I have not
Speaker 1: heard from that person. I haven't heard from that person either.
Speaker 1: I hope he's doing okay, okay, anyway, anyways, okay, let
Speaker 1: me look at my other do we miss anything? Eras
Speaker 1: in Denver and just like that is terrible.
Speaker 2: I mean, nominations, we can't can't talk about it, we
Speaker 2: can't talk about it.
Speaker 1: The Vampire by Olivia Rodrigo love it, blood sucker, fame, fucker, God,
Speaker 1: the suck your do It's giving queen. Yes, have people
Speaker 1: been saying that. I just think if they're saying that,
Speaker 1: they're not saying a loud I'm just saying it sounds
Speaker 1: like like from beginning to end, it sounds like a
Speaker 1: queen song. It's really good. I believe the girl did
Speaker 1: it again. Also, I want to say about Barbie that
Speaker 1: Billie Eilish song that might win her another Oscar gorgeous
Speaker 1: song that is really good and it plays really well.
Speaker 1: With them. Yes, Billy is Billy's Billy's good. Billy. Come
Speaker 1: on the pod, Billy, Come on the pod, Billy. She's
Speaker 1: a musician. She's allowed. I guess we can't talk to
Speaker 1: her about the Barber movie though, thought she'd be promoting.
Speaker 1: Can't talk to her about that little show where she's
Speaker 1: that cult girl. Can't talk about it, can't talk about it. No,
Speaker 1: we can talk about Swarm. We can't talk about Swarm.
Speaker 1: She can't talk about Swarm. But I haven't seen Swarm.
Speaker 2: Well, the theater camp thing, we can. We can talk
Speaker 2: about theater Camp. I haven't seen it yet, thought it
Speaker 2: was great. I haven't seen it yet. Got stars in it,
Speaker 2: stars Galore, Patty Patti.
Speaker 1: Ohio, Ben Molly, Noah, we were actually Nathan Lee Graham.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. It's an all star cast. It's an actually
Speaker 1: very lost cult coded in terms of the cast. Has
Speaker 1: everyone been on not? Noah?
Speaker 2: Noah? Soon baby soon, babe. We love you well.
Speaker 1: Bosucker hold on. Congratulations to Jimbo.
Speaker 2: Congratulations to Jimbo and La Lai and Candy mus and
Speaker 2: Candy Muse, Candy Muse, Legend Star. I mean all I
Speaker 2: thought about all season was Star and you cannot and
Speaker 2: I know we have a bias in saying this, but
Speaker 2: I'm tired of hearing people say it was a bad season. No,
Speaker 2: because you know what we got out of it in
Speaker 2: the end, even a redemption arc for Monica of Beverly Hills,
Speaker 2: not a silken clock. If this season can deliver Monica
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills a viral me moment, then it was a great,
Speaker 2: successful season. Everyone walked away from that season with something
Speaker 2: to gain. And you can't say that for all All
Speaker 2: Star seasons.
Speaker 1: End. We end every episode with a song, not a
Speaker 1: sil can clock, Not a sil can clock, not a
Speaker 1: silking clock. Slay and Slay and Sir and Slay. Do
Speaker 1: you like that? Daddy? Bye Bye,