WEBVTT - Jason Tartick (Part 1) 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:06.000 This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:10.520 Chris Harrison coming to you from the Home Office in Austin, Texas. 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:13.200 And for the first time ever, I have a guest, 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:15.760 obviously not on the show. I've had many guests on 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:17.520 the show, but I've never had a guest here in 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.840 Studio A, here in the Home office in Austin, Texas. 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:22.440 Do you know that I did not know that? This 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:23.000 is an honor. 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:25.919 This is the first time I've ever had anybody in 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:28.880 my home. That's the reason is Studio A is in 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:30.360 our home. I'm not just going to have everyone in 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:35.200 our house. So here we go. Jason Tartick the first 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:38.800 guest ever at the Home Office in Austin, Texas. He 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.879 was here a month ago for our wedding. It's our 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:45.520 one month anniversary. Lauren and I have made it. That's 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.559 really the big I've heard, that's really the big one 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:49.480 to get over is that one month anniversary. 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:50.800 Thirty days, thirty days. 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:53.159 I got to get to that day. We have crushed 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:54.160 the first thirty days. 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:55.880 Which day was the best. 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.840 But so when Jason came to the wedding, I said, look, 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:03.160 you and I at some point we got to sit 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.280 down and we got to talk. We got to do this, 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:10.800 and we both decided obviously during my wedding not the 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:14.440 time to do that, and uh, but we we kind 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:16.600 of put it on the back burner and it just 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.319 turned out that Jay was coming back into town for 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:24.319 this Sergio Garcia four Ties event for kids event that 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:24.959 we just did. 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:25.759 So we just. 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:29.480 Happened to be back a month later. Perfect timing. We 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:31.679 both were talking as he was coming into town and 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:34.800 we said, it's time, it's time we have a talk. 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:39.680 So here it is Jason Tartik Chris Harrison. The most 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:44.280 dramatic podcast ever find you. You have never felt the 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.360 wrath of the hot Seat before? 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:48.520 Yeah, well that was an intense start. 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:52.680 I'm like with jall, we did have a conversation about 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:53.640 us having to talk. 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:55.880 I agree what it was. We'll see. 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:59.040 It worked out perfect. This weekend made a couple deals 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:00.840 with Chris. I was like, great, I'll come on your 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:02.440 show if you come on my show. But I have 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.200 felt a little bit of the intensity of the hot Seat. 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:07.880 I think the last time you and I were this 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:10.960 close with microphones in our face, seeing miked up. Well, 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.160 yesterday we had some fun at the Sergio Tournament, but 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:17.160 was in two thousand and eighteen when I was in 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:20.440 the hot seat at Mentel All after Becca Kouprian was 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.280 the batterrip, but they didn't sit us this close to 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:22.600 each other. 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:23.720 We had a little bit more space. 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:25.800 I was trying to think, you know what's funny when 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:28.840 I think of you, I don't even remember what season 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:32.200 you were on. There's certain the rest of the world, no, 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:36.240 but there's certain seasons are there's certain people where they're 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.799 friends of mine, and actually, like, if I'm going to 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.480 have to go do a show, I'll have to or 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.160 an interview, I will have to go look up like 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:48.120 Wells Adams like stuff like that. I'm like, I just 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.600 know him as a friend now, and you're the same. 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:55.320 I'm like, what season were you on? And Becca's season, 0:02:55.919 --> 0:03:01.000 which ironically was when I started dating L's Z. Yeah, 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.760 was becka season. It was her tell All where we 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.880 kind of first had our first rendezvous on our first 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:10.959 big date and the infamous Cabo trip happened after the 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:15.160 Final Roads special. But we have never really sat down 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.480 and had this heart to heart, which I'm glad we're 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:21.760 finally doing. And the overview of this whole thing too. 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:25.720 Your second book is coming out. Yeah, obviously, I'm going 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.919 to reciprocate. I'm going to go on Trading Secrets, Jason's 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:32.880 amazing podcast. If you're into business, which you should be, 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.080 I love the way you approach business. I love the 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.400 way you talk about things because you extrapolate things into 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:46.000 an everyday bite size, digestible comment, break down whatever. I'm like, oh, 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.320 I understand this now. So if you're not savvy about business, 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.080 if you're not into it, check out Trading Secrets. 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:55.920 But the new book, yes, the new book, it connects 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:59.960 actually to this show, I think. So it's called Talk 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.080 Money to Me. It's available for pre order now on Amazon. 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:07.200 But the whole idea is, it's like when love meets money, right, 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:11.119 And we have so many hard conversations about just love 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.680 in general and compatibility and all these things, but the 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:17.320 idea of money, it's something we neglect. And so that's 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.200 the main preface of the book. 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:24.960 Easily the number one thing that breaks up families, marriages, relationships, 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.280 and it's something we never talk about exactly, is money. 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.599 And Lauren and I have had this conversation and we've 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.240 had some other business people on to kind of go 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:35.880 into this, but it is such a vital It's like 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:37.839 we talk about kids, do you want to have kids? 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:39.520 You want to have kids? When do we want to 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:39.920 have kids? 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:40.080 Sure? 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:42.720 Where do we want to live? How About how much 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.920 debt are you bringing into this relationship? And by the way, 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:47.440 that doesn't mean if you have a lot, I'm going 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.360 to break up with you, but if LZ is walking 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:54.000 into our relationship with a million dollars in debt, I 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:58.200 need to know that that is massively important. And that's 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:02.240 a question that we don't often ask our significant other. 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.520 And then you get into it and you know you're 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.680 your five steps past. You know, you bury the lead 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:08.320 of this whole thing. 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:12.479 It's the transparency, in the clarity is what drives a unit, right. 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.720 And so it's not that in that circumstance, which was 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.039 a made up hypothetical that Elsie would have a million 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.000 dollars a debt, it's that it wasn't talked about. And 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.960 when it's not talked about, resentment builds. Where resentment builds, 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:26.000 it breaks relationships, it impacts It's crazy to think that 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:30.520 financial discussions inspects intimacy in the bedroom. And so the 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:34.040 whole book is my first two introductions. Now I'm about 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.159 my life right, So I'm an MBA and accounting and finance. 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:38.240 I own a few businesses. I've leant over one hundred 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:41.719 and fifty million dollars two businesses. So if I'm making 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.320 mistakes on this, which I've made a lot on which 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:46.640 I talk about in the book, I assume that a 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.680 lot of people haven't had the conversations. And so it's 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:53.440 ten chapters, two introductory chapters of things that I screwed up. 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.440 The next eight chapters are questions. So the answers are 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.960 not subjective, they're objective. The answer is a number, and 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.640 it's a number you need to know about yourself and 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.760 your partner. How to have the conversation, how to improve 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.360 that for your well being, into work as a unit, 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:11.160 to increase and build your overall financial wealth and happiness. 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:11.480 Hugely important. 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:12.520 Read this. 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.320 Get it into your college kids, your high school kids' hands. 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:19.200 You know the quicker you learn this, and you know 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.200 we'll talk probably much more about this on your podcast. 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:26.279 But it's it's something I just wasn't taught. And it's 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:30.080 laughable that we go through high school, even college and 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:34.000 we don't really learn compound interest. We don't learn about alone. 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.560 What that means about balancing a checkbook. Sure I can 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:40.360 make an ash tray, but you know, but I can't 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.400 balance a checkbook. How are we not teaching kids? You 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:45.919 know that I'm not here to poopoo on algebra, But 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:47.800 let me tell you what I've used more of in 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:49.599 my life more than algebra. 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:50.760 Yeah, exactly. 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:54.800 And a basic skills of knowing, investing and managing your 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:56.719 money is so important totally. 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:58.400 And I think one thing you see now, especially with 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.599 social media and everything happening in our world, is like 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.679 keeping up with the Kardashians, right, like what are you wearing? 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:06.200 How are you showing your wealth? 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:10.680 And there's so much actual gas lighting through assets in 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:11.680 today's world. 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:12.880 So the idea of like. 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.480 How about you just pull each other's credit report and 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:18.680 maybe like talk through the successes you've had and your 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.240 credit score and your income and your debt, because that 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:24.720 shows the truth. Numbers don't lie, they don't take things 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.000 out of context. And then you could have open conversations, 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:31.280 which was increasing vulnerability, increasing connection, and overall increasing the 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.000 over overall health of a relationship. 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:34.880 This is a freebie for you for your next book. 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.120 Lay it up and It's only a chapter, so it's 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.320 not going to be that expensive, but one of the 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.520 chapters needs to be before you see each other naked, 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:44.520 see each other's credit score. 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:46.800 Ooh, I like that line. I do have a line 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:48.920 in there similar to that. So if we could talk 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.720 openly about sex and have sex with one another, then 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:53.920 we should be able to talk about our finances and 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:55.119 what we want out of our life. 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.120 If I feel free to say, Hey, I would like 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.680 for you to dress up like a circus clown before 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:01.560 you come in the bedroom, I think I should also 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:05.800 say how much student loan debt do you have? I 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:07.720 know one's a little sexy than the other. Well really, 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:09.800 the clowns not. But you get the point. 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:10.960 Is this a thing of yours Chris? 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:11.840 It is. No. 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:15.600 We don't like clowns. We don't like clowns. Not one 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.280 of the fantasies. You and I have had a good 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.720 couple of days. We've been here, played a little golf, 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:25.960 we've had we're sitting on a couple of shiner blondes Texas, 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.280 and maybe had a tequila shot before we came on 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.120 the show. Because we're going to dive into it, We're 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:47.080 going to talk about the relationships. It's funny, you know, 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:50.240 because I met you obviously you were on the show, 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:54.480 and it was rumored and talked about you actually being 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:59.240 the Bachelor. I'm curious because you know, I know probably 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.760 fifty percent of what's really going on behind the scenes 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:05.720 because they were very much they love to kind of 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:07.840 keep their cards close to the vest when they're making 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.319 those decisions about who the bachelor bache Arett's going to 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:12.120 be sure they would ask me or ask my opinion, 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:17.240 but you know opinions. How that goes in your mind 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.280 of what you were talked about? How close were you 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:21.120 to being the Bachelor? 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:23.600 Did you put in a good word for me? What's that? 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:24.840 Did you put in a good word for me? 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:26.560 I've said a million times I wanted you to be 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.000 the Bachelor. There's two people that were in your camp 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:32.160 I know for sure. Yes, Yeah, the executive producer Bennett 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.160 Oh okay, greater fellow Buffalo boy Buffalo that was in 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.760 the bag, Buffalo Buffalo. Yeah, that was easy. Bennett wanted 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:40.360 you to be the Bachelor, so did I. 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.559 Okay, so that's good to know I had two people 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:46.800 in my camp. I never truly thought I was going 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.040 to be the Bacheler truly, and I didn't think. 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:50.000 It because. 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:57.439 I always thought cold storyline was just incredible and quite frankly. 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:00.679 We didn't know the real storyline. I did a whole story. 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.240 Right, but I'm like, this guy is six foot four, 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.839 looks like Kenda Barbie Doll played in the NFL. He's 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.600 a stud and he's a virgin. Like, okay, wow, that's 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:12.360 great TV. And then the other thing is I thought 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:17.600 that Blake was really like Blake's watching him deal with 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:21.200 his breakdown with Becca was like I was crying for him. 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.040 So I was like, this is a clear third runner, 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.840 like if they both get sick or something. Colin, Jason 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.320 and I asked for a lot of transparency because of 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:34.800 work with leadership, and I got a lot of transparency 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:38.480 of like i'd say, like twenty five percent, thirty percent. 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:40.040 There was one time I think they're like, hey, I 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.240 think odds have jumped up to like sixty percent. So 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.160 there was a lot of transparency there. But at no 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.920 point did I actually think it was going to be me. 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.840 Yeah, I don't know how close. Yeah, from my mind, 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:52.679 I felt that was probably the case. You probably had 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.840 a thirty forty percent chance. We wanted it to be more. 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:57.720 I just thought you would have been a good everyday guy. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.120 We could have fixed the hair. At the time, you know, 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.960 there was some tragic Buffalo stuff going on with the hair. 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:06.960 You know, no offense to Buffalo because I love it 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.000 and I got to get there soon. But the yeah, 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:11.720 there was a lot of hair gel back then. But 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:13.439 you've come a long way. I mean the fashion look 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.480 as you sitting here right now, you're such a fashion Easta. 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:16.679 Now. 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:18.319 I don't know about that, but I might have to 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.199 take this coat off because it is getting a little hot, 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:22.440 knowing the topics coming up, so if it comes out that, 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:23.800 I know, it gets intense. 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:27.400 But it was something I thought would have been great 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.160 because I really do think you would have been a 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.440 good Bachelor, just because you're such a sincere guy, and 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:36.240 I think America at the end of the day. Yeah, 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:38.560 the Colton in a you know, Colton was obviously a 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:40.680 great season, and could you have jumped that fence? I 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:44.359 don't think so. So Obviously the Colton season was pretty phenomenal, 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.400 but I think there was a show to be had 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:51.880 with you, just because America, especially with the Bachelor, resonates 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.600 with relatability and you're just a relatable guy. I think 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:58.480 people watch you, they listen to you, and you're like, 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.000 I see myself in this guy. He's the kind of 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.120 guy I could date, And so I think it would 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:03.960 have been a good season. 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.199 Yeah, two thoughts I have, because you. 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.360 Don't need the Bachelor to be explosive bachelorette more so 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.840 that drama helps bachelor. You really don't need that. I mean, 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.760 look at Sean Lowe. Yeah, not the craziest explosive story. 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.280 I mean, and he was one of our most popular bachelors. 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:20.120 Yeah, I mean, I don't. 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.959 I think if you look at the like talked about 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.160 some of the history of the Bachelor's I don't know 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.880 that you'd call most of those individuals explosive, right, Like no, 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:33.320 Matt James very even, Keel good guy, Clayton pretty even, 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:38.440 Keel Nick's a pretty like even keel guy, Ari Ben Higgins, Right, 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.720 I don't think you're talking about these like explosive personalities. 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:43.600 Two things I have when I think about the time 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:45.800 of like the selection of the Bachelor, that whole thing. 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.520 I remember I'd get a lot of shit from people 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.719 or like Reddit blogs and stuff, and they'd be like, oh, 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:55.880 he's campaigning so hard to be the Bachelor. And I 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:57.720 always thought about that, and I was like, oh, maybe 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:01.160 I should have acted like I didn't want it. But no, 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:05.040 like the reality is like that's wasn't It wasn't a campaign. 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:06.480 I just wanted to be the Bachelor. 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:10.079 I got it, Like who everybody wants to be the Bacher. 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.320 So I guess maybe there's like you should have played 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:13.920 it more cool. 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:16.280 No, it's And by the way, what are you doing 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:16.840 on Reddit? 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.319 All those blogs get sent, they get sent. You don't 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.240 get the dms where they send you the links? No, 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:23.319 okay they do. 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:23.880 Oh god. 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:25.920 The other thing is I would say, god, I don't. 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:29.160 I would say back then, I would have been like, 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.840 I'm such a different person than I was back then. 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:35.280 So you know, things change. It's time for me to 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:37.880 like put my head back into that space. It was 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.600 twenty eighteen, it's about to be twenty twenty four. In 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.720 that wild it's I just don't know, like where time goes, 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:47.240 because it seems like a whole different life ago, you. 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:49.800 Know, I mean, when you're five six years removed, it 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.880 just seems we were all, you know, so much more innocent, different. 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.000 I mean, well, I think about when I started the show. 0:13:56.559 --> 0:14:00.000 I moved here in ninety nine to la and you know, 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.440 jumped on The Bachelor and two and is when it aired, 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.760 and then I stayed there for twenty years. Yeah, I mean, 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:09.840 who does that? It just doesn't happen in this business. 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.920 And so when I think about the kid that started 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:18.000 and the man that left, you know, I've been married, divorced, 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.400 to kids, kids in college. I mean, life has changed 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:21.920 quite a bit. 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:23.120 It's hard to put yourself back. 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.840 And that's not even technologically speaking. How the world has 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:27.680 changed and dating and all that. Yeah, you can't go 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.240 back and look at that kid, that innocent kid that 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:34.040 came from Buffalo and just hey night one. Yeah, I 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:34.720 hope you like me. 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:39.840 Now he's a jaded ex reality TV, broken down brus Cloud. 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:45.080 So you get done with the show and then famously 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:51.520 you start dating Caitlin Bristow. What precipitated that. I forget 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:52.800 how that whole thing started. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:54.840 The heart rates instantly went up. 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:58.800 Chris just got hotter in this room. 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.880 I was the whole the whole thing was. 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:10.600 Interestingly enough, I met her on her podcast because my 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:12.840 understanding is she wanted me to be the Bachelor and 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:15.240 then when they picked Colton, she was like, well, we 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.000 got to jump on a show because like I really 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:18.120 wanted you to be the bachelor. 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:23.360 Three people in your corner there caitle too, so she 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.800 was like, let's maybe the only person that had less 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:26.680 poll than me on the. 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.200 Show was fair. 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.200 So she wanted to just be like, well, what's next. 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.480 And so that's when I interviewed with her. But the 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:41.680 first time I ever messaged Caitlyn, ironically enough, was I 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.640 had gotten off the show and I had learned just 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:46.960 about the whole ins and outs of this world and 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.520 how kind of crazy it was, and you know, when 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.080 you get off, you step into this mayhem and I always, 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.160 you know, I didn't know what the hell to do about, 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:56.840 like how to deal with it because a lot of 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:58.760 like agents come up to you and all this stuff, right, 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.240 And I I started to research like people that were 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.840 on the show that had done a really good job, 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:06.600 and I reached out to all those people that had 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:08.720 done and be like, hey, just got the show a 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.160 little confused as to how this world works. Do you 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.560 have any insight. She was one of the people that 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:15.520 I reached out too, and she was great. She had 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.760 she like gave me great insight, and that was it. 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:19.880 And then she asked me to come on the show 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:23.840 and I'm a podcast with her in late October, and. 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:25.000 That's where the sparks flew. 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:28.080 That's where the sparks look. 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:29.520 Okay, I did. I actually didn't tell. 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:31.720 Me, at least I don't think for her. I remember 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:33.840 when I first hugged her, I was like, oh. 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:38.680 That's interesting. I didn't know that story. I didn't know 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:40.880 where you guys actually started dating or whatever. So it 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:42.160 was on the it. 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:43.640 Was it was yeah, it was well, we didn't know. 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.600 She interviewed me on the show. I remember the sparks 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:49.280 flew when I remember giving her a hug, and there's 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.360 just a lot of banter, and she reminded me a 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:54.840 lot of like people back home, and I was like, oh, 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:58.880 this girl's awesome. Then a friendship established. She put me 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.200 in the friend zone for a little bit, and then 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.760 we dated shortly thereafter a few months or so. 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.280 I really appre So here's what's interesting about the two 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:11.160 of you. Obviously I've been involved or you know, somewhat 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:16.680 in touch or connected to a hundred breakups on the show. 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.520 Because you know, I'm either friends with or have worked 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:25.800 with someone in that relationship. I was thinking about this 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:29.160 earlier before you and I came on today. I've never 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:34.080 been so intertwined with a relationship and a breakup as 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.600 I have been with you and Caitlin, because I guess 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:41.600 I've never been as close with both people, and consider 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.520 both of you friends, still talk to both of you. 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.560 I invited both of you to our wedding. You guys 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.119 both graciously showed up at our wedding. So I was 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:53.800 just thinking, you know, usually there's a breakup and I'm 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.719 friends with the bachelor, or I'm friends with the bachelorette. 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.280 I'm not usually as close with the cast member that 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:03.800 they got engaged with. So it's funny that I'm even 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:07.760 sitting here with you, you know, not the bachelorette. And 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.240 so it just goes to show like I'm good friends 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:11.920 with both of you guys, and I've never I don't 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:14.800 think I've ever been as involved or connected to a 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:18.239 breakup as this one. And you know, Lauren and I 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.200 both said we're inviting both of you guys to our wedding. 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:24.280 There is no question that both of you guys are invited. 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.040 We're going to just hit the ball over to their court, 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:29.840 and it's totally up to you, guys. If one of 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:32.159 you come, if both of you come, if none of 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.399 you come. It was totally up to you, guys. And 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.080 I really appreciated the fact that you both came. You 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:39.960 both like put your swords down whatever. I don't know 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.480 where it stood at the time. I don't care what 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:44.280 it meant. What meant the most to me was that 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:46.440 you both said, we love you guys, We're going to 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:47.960 support you, We're going to beat your wedding. 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:50.199 Yeah, And there was nothing more important. I mean, we 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.280 have again, Chris, you and I have known each other 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.840 now since twenty eighteen. I think from the get go. 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:57.040 I remember us talking about soccer, and we just developed 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.879 a good friendship. And Bennett, of course and I had 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.200 good friendship back then, and year over year that friendships progressed. 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:07.000 And for me, there was nothing more important than being there, 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:08.840 because it was to honor your day. It was to 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:12.359