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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grease, handsome, loving, smart, the apple

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Speaker 2: I have you heard the name Daniel Messius? Not many

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Speaker 1: Why is his death not being covered? And forget about

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Speaker 1: covering it solved? Who killed this brilliant, wonderful young man.

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Speaker 2: There was actually vineer surveillance in the area. It's very hard.

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Speaker 1: For me to believe that no one knows anything about

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Speaker 2: I'm just not buying it.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I want to give you the tip

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Speaker 1: line for zero four two four for twenty six hundred

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Speaker 1: out about this young man? He's just a few years

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Speaker 1: older than my son John David Lynch. I found it

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Speaker 1: online on Twitter because Daniel was murdered near where Lakin

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Speaker 1: was murdered, near the UGA campus. And while the news

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Speaker 1: had electrified so many in law enforcement and so many

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Speaker 1: legal eagles, I happened to find out about Daniel Massius.

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Speaker 1: Joining me in all start panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know and figure out why this case has

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Speaker 1: a co worker of Daniel's, Aaron Lahey, who worked diligently

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Speaker 2: Aaron, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I would ever have known about

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Speaker 2: Been for you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. I've been told to have

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Speaker 4: a big mouth, and I have always told Daniel's family

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Speaker 4: It unfortunately has not gotten the coverage that other cases

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Speaker 4: And when it first happened, I think his family and

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Speaker 4: But unfortunately that hasn't been the case. You know, all

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Speaker 4: that the Athens Park County Police Department has had a

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Speaker 2: Guys, you're hearing Aaron Lahey.

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Speaker 1: If it hadn't been for her going on Twitter when

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Speaker 1: I would never have even known about Daniel Masius. But first,

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Speaker 1: let's go to Alexis Tereschuk joining me crime online dot

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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter who coincidentally went to attended UGA. Alexis,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. You know what strung

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Speaker 1: me about this case to start with is that Daniel

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Speaker 1: But he is a teetotaler like myself, and he would

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Speaker 1: You tell me, tell me about Daniel Massius.

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Speaker 5: So, Daniel Mssius. He went to the University of Georgia.

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Speaker 5: He graduated from there, and he decided he loved Athens.

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Speaker 6: Daniel Messias is heading towards his car park near the courthouse.

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Speaker 6: When he rounds a corner, He's shot five times at

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Speaker 2: That he was shot.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Macia was shot five times. Alexis Terreschak. There was

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Speaker 1: So what is the motive of shooting the victim five times?

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Speaker 2: Did I get that correct? Alexis? He was shot times.

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Speaker 5: Five times in close range. It wasn't from what I

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Speaker 5: it makes it seem like it was very personal, it

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Speaker 5: If it was a simple robbery, you know, two thirty

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Speaker 1: In addition to Christy Romer, relative of Daniels, Mark Maleague

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Speaker 1: Athens Clark County PD, currently law enforcement technology software consultant

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Speaker 1: Martin Lillie. Thank you for being with us and giving

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Speaker 2: Did anything wrong at all.

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Speaker 1: They raise to the scene, they go door to door,

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Speaker 7: Yes, thanks for having me me and t You know

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Speaker 7: you mentioned how this guy ran away from the scene,

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Speaker 7: And it's and it's right on the outskirts of where

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Speaker 7: and that's exactly right. He kind of even though he

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Speaker 7: And and ultimately, you're exactly right, even though police were

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Speaker 7: He was able to simply slip away or to slip

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Speaker 7: He just kind of just kind of up and vanished

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Speaker 1: Well, a few things I want to ask you, Martin

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Speaker 1: League is joining us original detective on this case.

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Speaker 2: There is a.

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Speaker 1: Very very heavy police presence in that area. Fact, anywhere

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Speaker 1: That is why the crime rate is really low in

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Speaker 1: and it reminds me.

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Speaker 2: Just a few months.

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Speaker 1: could dig up at this juncture, you know, Mark, You

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Speaker 1: like cracktown. They're burned out homes, their vacant buildings. In fact,

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Speaker 2: You're out in the woods. Is that right?

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Speaker 7: Well, I wouldn't say that you're in the woods, however,

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Speaker 7: that you're exactly right. You're just a block or two

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Speaker 1: Going on, and it's easier to slip into the darkness

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Speaker 2: Darryl, thank you for being with us. You have handled

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Speaker 1: How do I say, movie, TV, entertainment legal cases is

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Speaker 1: one of your specialties. Have you ever seen a movie set? Now,

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Speaker 8: Every sound stage, every set looks great from the fault

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Speaker 1: So, just trying to figure out how this guy, the

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now?

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Speaker 1: Is Christy Romer joining us out of Jasper, Georgia connected

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Speaker 1: to the family, Christy, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: You recall I'm sure when Daniel was killed? Correct?

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Speaker 3: Correct?

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Speaker 1: How did you guys find out? What can you tell

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's the way. That's the way we feel as well,

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Speaker 3: then called Daniel's sister, Erica, and Erica called Tasha, his

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Speaker 3: he was not okay. I'll probably never get that scream

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Speaker 4: Ever.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty bad, pretty horrible. So it just that's how

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Speaker 3: He actually walked the long way and came straight ahead,

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold up, who walked straight toward who? The killer

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Speaker 1: walked straight toward Daniel Masseius.

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Speaker 3: They were walking toward each other, and they met right

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Speaker 1: Now, on the night that Daniel Massees was killed, I

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's correct.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So do you believe whoever called him asked him

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Speaker 1: met him. Wasn't that His friend Sean called him and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: meet me. But then Sean had what wasn't a headlight

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Speaker 3: Yes, headlight was out, he didn't want to leave.

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Speaker 1: Then who was Daniel speaking to for seven straight minutes as.

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Speaker 2: He was walking?

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Speaker 3: That was Sean.

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Speaker 2: You know what I was.

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Speaker 1: Hoping, Alexis Tereschuk. I was hoping that whoever he was

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Speaker 2: But that's not the case.

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Speaker 5: No, that hasn't been connected at all. And in fact,

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Speaker 5: There were surveillance videos, so they released it very quickly

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Speaker 5: after he was killed, hoping that anybody could recognize him

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Speaker 5: They obviously received tips, but nothing that has led to

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about the video. I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: To you, Mark Maleague joining us original detective on the case.

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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about what could be gleaned.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the video. It's pretty good video. And

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Speaker 1: I noticed the video was panning back and forth. Where

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Speaker 2: Right now? Where does the video come from? It looks

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Speaker 7: So downtown Athens has an entire system of video cameras

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Speaker 7: And they are on pre programmed panning, you know, to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm saying it's really good video, but I think

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Speaker 7: Most Yeah, we believe that that person either might have

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Speaker 1: Guys, I'm looking at the video trying to determine what

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Speaker 1: I can from it. Mark Moleague, can you tell is

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Speaker 1: the guy white? Is he black? Is he hispanic? Can

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Speaker 2: He's got on black pants and black shirt T shirt.

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Speaker 1: It looks to me like he held up one arm

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Speaker 2: Well, can you tell me about this guy?

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Speaker 7: Well, I can't tell you that what you see in

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Speaker 1: Joining me is doctor Chloe Carmichael, clinical psychologists and USA

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Speaker 1: Today best selling author of Nervous Energy Harness The Power

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at.

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Speaker 1: This video and I don't know if the video is

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Speaker 2: But let's think about the killer.

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Speaker 1: Time is past, don't you know he's had to have

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Speaker 10: Yes, Nancy, I would agree. It would be almost impossible

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Speaker 1: You know, Christy Roemer, I'm looking at a picture of

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Speaker 1: Daniel let's see you right now, and he has the

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Speaker 2: My son is six ' five.

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Speaker 10: You know what.

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Speaker 1: He was unarmed and the purp had a gun. And

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Speaker 2: His personality.

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Speaker 3: I've never met anybody that didn't out spletely love him.

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Speaker 3: He just he was an extrovert.

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Speaker 4: He was.

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Speaker 3: He had a very big personality, and he was very

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Speaker 1: You know, I've looked and looked and looked, and I

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Speaker 1: This guy is not on the take. This guy is

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Speaker 1: dial seven sixty two four hundred seven zero six ' one. Guys,

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Speaker 1: the shooting death of Daniel Massias has.

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Speaker 2: Gone largely ignored. Why because you know what I see?

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Speaker 1: I see a picture of his mother holding her son's photograph.

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Speaker 1: Think about it, that's all she's got. And you've got

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Speaker 1: Christy Roemer with her. The screams from his mother still

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Speaker 1: ringing in her ears. You know what hold on with

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Speaker 1: doctor Jen Gorniac for a little reality check. Doctor Gorniac,

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Speaker 2: That's Vegas.

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Speaker 1: Athens is also Clark County, but in Vegas, unlike Athens,

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Speaker 1: there's never a lot of business at the Morgue. Doctor Gorniac,

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Speaker 1: thank you for taking your time to be with us

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Speaker 1: and help us solve Daniel Mercia's murder.

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Speaker 2: A brutal murder.

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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about that lonely sidewalk all by himself

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Speaker 1: Five gunshot wounds?

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Speaker 11: He was shot those five times that obviously vital organs

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Speaker 11: and like you said, he would bleed out, he would

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Speaker 11: hemorrhage until depending on where those shots were. Unfortunately, he't

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Speaker 11: wouldn't have died right away. He would have bled out

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Speaker 11: out and then gone into shock. So there would have

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Speaker 11: been a period of survival short but a period of survival, unfortunately.

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Speaker 11: And you know he said he's there alone, and you

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Speaker 11: know when they're to call nine one one to get

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Speaker 11: him to the hospital and maybe save his life.

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Speaker 1: To Aaron Lahy joining us, former coworker and friend of

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Speaker 1: Daniel Messillas, what do you know about his particular wounds.

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Speaker 4: My understanding is that they were all to his chest.

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Speaker 4: He was a very tall guy, as as you mentioned,

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Speaker 4: and you know people called him a gental giant. My

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Speaker 4: understanding is that they were all to his chest, and

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Speaker 4: that he actually called out. I don't know that I

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Speaker 4: should say the phrase either right before the first shot

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Speaker 4: or right after the first shot.

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Speaker 2: He called out to say, what.

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Speaker 4: Oh an expertive that that witnesses to report it. I

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Speaker 4: think Mark might be able to help more with.

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Speaker 2: That, Martin League. Did Daniel say anything just before he

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Speaker 2: was shot?

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Speaker 7: According to the witnesses, there was definitely a confrontation that

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Speaker 7: was very very brief that, like she was saying, there

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Speaker 7: was an explotive and then immediately that led into gunfire.

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Speaker 7: Because when Daniel crossed the street as he was walking,

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Speaker 7: he encountered this individual almost immediately at this particular street corner.

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Speaker 7: There was not some drawn out conversation or something that

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Speaker 7: occurred between the two that would have led to this.

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Speaker 7: It was literally walking meeting face to face. There was

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Speaker 7: an exploitive and then there was the shooting.

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Speaker 2: I understand the shooting was a close range.

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Speaker 7: Mark, yes, that it is definitely, you know, face to

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Speaker 7: face with one another.

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Speaker 2: What does that tell you, Mark?

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Speaker 7: You know, the scene definitely indicates that or would suggest

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Speaker 7: that it was something personal or that they were familiar

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Speaker 7: with one another. And the only reason I say that

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Speaker 7: is because there wasn't anything that led up to this.

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Speaker 7: It was so abrupt with the two individuals meetings, So

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Speaker 7: you know, the way that we see the scene and

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Speaker 7: analyze that, that's exactly what it would suggest.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, what led up to the

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Speaker 1: phone call and the shootings take a Listen to Dave

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Speaker 1: matt Crime Online.

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Speaker 9: Daniel Messias enjoys the downtown Athens night life scene, but

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Speaker 9: on Saturday, August thirteenth, he forgoes a night on the town.

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Speaker 9: He leaves his job at a local restaurant, crossing the

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Speaker 9: street to a store inside, he gets a phone call,

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Speaker 9: sets his purchase items down, and walks out. Messius continues

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Speaker 9: the conversation as he walks to his car. The call

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Speaker 9: last seven minutes. As the phone call with Messius n's

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Speaker 9: the sound of five gunshots rings out.

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Speaker 2: Question to you, Martin.

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Speaker 1: League, the original detective on the case, did the car

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Speaker 1: sean hear the gunfire?

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Speaker 2: Or had he already hung up?

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Speaker 7: So they had hung up because they were on the

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Speaker 7: phone together as Daniel was walking downtown. But I think

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Speaker 7: Daniel essentially put him on hold or said hang on

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Speaker 7: just a second and hung up the phone. And that's

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Speaker 7: when he encountered this individual.

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Speaker 1: So he saw the guy coming up on him. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is what else we know.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 12: On August the thirteenth, at approximately two thirty seven am,

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Speaker 12: Daniel Massius was murdered in Athens, Georgia, at the corner

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Speaker 12: of East Hancock Avenue and Jackson Street Athens. Cark County

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Speaker 12: Police Department investigators are reviewing hundreds of hours of security

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Speaker 12: camera video footage that they have collected in the course

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Speaker 12: of their investigation. Investigators would like to speak with the

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Speaker 12: individual that is depicted in the snippet of video footage.

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Speaker 12: It appears to be a white male dressed in all black.

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Speaker 12: This person may have witnessed details that are important to investigators.

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Speaker 12: If you are this individual, or if you can help

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Speaker 12: identify this individual, call the Crime Stoppers Anonymous tip line

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Speaker 12: at seven zero six, seven zero five for seven seventy five.

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Speaker 10: You know, listening to Mark talk about, you know, kind

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Speaker 10: of the cold blooded, methodical attitude of the shooter, you know,

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Speaker 10: have people explored the possibility that the shooter was a

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Speaker 10: hired hired gun as opposed to, you know, personally having

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Speaker 10: a vendetta.

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Speaker 3: Can I speak on that, because that's what this is, Christy,

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Speaker 3: That's the theory that the family and I have have

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Speaker 3: fought and brought to the attention of the police before

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Speaker 3: in the past, because I feel like we feel like

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Speaker 3: that this person was there to do it like he

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Speaker 3: was he was it was planned like he was there

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Speaker 3: was a meeting set up at that time, or like

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Speaker 3: I think this may have been. Daniel may have even

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Speaker 3: known this person or had met this person previously. I

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Speaker 3: don't think that he was afraid of this guy because

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Speaker 3: he walked right up to him. I do think the

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Speaker 3: guy was probably a hired hit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was.

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Speaker 10: Just thinking, because there seemed to be such a methodical,

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Speaker 10: unemotional Yeah, you know, I hate to say the word,

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Speaker 10: but efficient approach to this shooting.

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Speaker 3: Correct as if it was. Yes, not the first time,

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Speaker 3: and he had he did his job, and he left.

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Speaker 1: Mark Maleague is with us, the original detective on this case.

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Speaker 7: Mark, you know, the only comment that I have on

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Speaker 7: that is that we don't we don't have any any

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Speaker 7: information that would indicate that. Not to say that that's

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Speaker 7: not a theory. It definitely is a theory, but we

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Speaker 7: don't have any evidence or information that would lead us

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Speaker 7: down that path, or at least we didn't at that time.

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Speaker 7: Now it's been quite some time since I retired from

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Speaker 7: the department, almost three years ago, so I don't know

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Speaker 7: what information has come in since then. But you know,

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Speaker 7: it's it's it's tough to say the scene definitely suggests

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Speaker 7: something and we're trying to put that together. And I

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Speaker 7: will echo what was said earlier is that what we're

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Speaker 7: really missing is that that one person or individuals that

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Speaker 7: know about this, that that the shooter or the killer

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Speaker 7: has spoken to, has confessed to, or has fighted in

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Speaker 7: that person where definitely is the individual or wanting to

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Speaker 7: come forward, And it's kind of a missing piece of

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Speaker 7: this puzzle.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I just wanted to clarify it. In

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Speaker 4: regards to the phone call with Sean, he had talked

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Speaker 4: with Daniel when Daniel was in the store, and he

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Speaker 4: asked Daniel to meet him downtown. Daniel did go downtown

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Speaker 4: and was downtown, but then he spoke with Sean again

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Speaker 4: when he was walking to his car.

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Speaker 3: I believe it was a.

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Speaker 4: Seven minute call. He was on the phone with Sean,

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Speaker 4: and we don't know that he actually said goodbye. They

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Speaker 4: got disconnected, but Sean never called back.

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Speaker 1: How can a vibrant, happy young man in the prime

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Speaker 1: of his life begunned down on a public street and

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Speaker 1: the case is forgotten or it feels forgotten. We want

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Speaker 1: justice for Daniel's mother, We want answers for his family.

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Speaker 1: Daniel is never going to rest in peace until we

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Speaker 1: get justice. There is an eleven thousand dollars reward for

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Speaker 1: information on this case. Tip line seven zero six seven

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Speaker 1: oh five for seven seven five, Goodbye, fin