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Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of Debo and Joe. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co host,

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Speaker 1: Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like subscribing download where

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: How you're doing today, Joe.

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Speaker 3: Brother, Debo, you know, I'm doing great, great, great, great.

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Speaker 2: Another day.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually back into my house now officially, sopially, I'm dead.

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Speaker 3: I woke up this morning. I was able to wake

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Speaker 3: up in my bed, take a shower, roll over, and

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Speaker 3: get ready for the pod. Get ready for the show

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Speaker 3: at the house. At the house. At the house. You're

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Speaker 3: feeling good about yourself. Oh my god, I'm a static.

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Speaker 3: I'm a static. Ain't nothing else gonna happen? Right, We're good, No, debo, no, Now,

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Speaker 3: my house is made of brick, firm brick. Better blow

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Speaker 3: my house down.

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Speaker 2: It's good. It's good. It's good.

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Speaker 1: Not a limit, no limit, no limit, no, okay. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I hope, I hope. I hope that's the truth. I

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Speaker 1: hope that's the truth. I hope it stayed like that.

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Speaker 1: I really I pray for you, brother, I pray for you.

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Speaker 2: I really do. I hope, I hope that's what happens

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Speaker 2: for you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, definitely, Man, we go we go go

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Speaker 1: ahead and jump into some you know, some of that

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Speaker 1: stelling news. Hey, bro see, did you see they hired

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Speaker 1: my guy ta They hired my dude. That's my dude, dude,

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Speaker 1: that's your dude. That's yeah, that's that's my dude, dude.

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Speaker 1: I like him, Man, he's a good dude. Man everything

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Speaker 1: you know a matter of fact, let's just go ahead

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Speaker 1: review what we got. The first one was, uh, all right,

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Speaker 1: so the first one for the Stealers, we're gonna go WITHO.

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Speaker 2: We got him as the old coordinator.

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Speaker 3: Brother, and that was the crazy part I forgot about

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Speaker 3: Brian so good about him because I had so much

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Speaker 3: rotation and he was only a one year tight ends

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Speaker 3: coach for for the for the Browns with me.

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Speaker 2: Good dude.

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Speaker 3: Loved him to death.

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Speaker 2: He was super cool.

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Speaker 3: I think he coached my man, Gary Barnich go to

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Speaker 3: the Pro Bowl. So when I saw his face, I'm like, man,

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Speaker 3: he looks super familiar. But that coaching carousel was going

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Speaker 3: crazy when I was there, so on the song for

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Speaker 3: a little bit and he was on the opposite side

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Speaker 3: it too much. But definitely every time I seen I

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Speaker 3: remembered him, I'm like, that's crazy of me.

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Speaker 1: So yes, okay, yeah, So right now Mike McCarthy has

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Speaker 1: put together what we got one, two, three, four, We

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Speaker 1: got five so far. We still don't have a decordinator yet,

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Speaker 1: but we go, we go run down the list of everybody.

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Speaker 3: Are you sure? I know we hired, but it's not

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Speaker 3: the decordinator isn't knowing for around we hired.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to it. We'll get to it.

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Speaker 1: But what what what we did was like I said,

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Speaker 1: we'll get to it. Then we got right now, we

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Speaker 1: got the special teams. We got another Danny. Okay, special

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Speaker 1: teams coordinator is Danny Crossman. He is now a special

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Speaker 1: teams coordinator. Okay, okay, what uh you got? You got

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Speaker 1: any information on him? What you what you think of him?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm not too familiar. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So he was he was the special teams coordinator in Miami.

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Speaker 1: I believe it was nineteen through twenty four, and I

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Speaker 1: believe in twenty one he was actually with Flores and

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Speaker 1: he was actually assistant head coach as well as special

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Speaker 1: then and then basically, you know, demoted back to special

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Speaker 1: in last no, not last year, but twenty four, he

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. That was. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: a nine and eight season.

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Speaker 1: I think that was like the first losing season they

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Speaker 2: So you know how I go, somebody got to go,

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Speaker 2: Somebody gotta go, somebody gotta go. He got to show.

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Speaker 3: He's trying to turn this thing around with the stealers.

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Speaker 1: So in twenty five though, he wasn't nowhere, but I mean,

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Speaker 2: But when you go and you look.

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Speaker 1: Back at his you look back at his history, like, dude,

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Speaker 1: looked like almost twenty years bro, Like just.

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Speaker 3: What you said, he didn't coach last year, so he

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Speaker 3: might have been doing the same thing McCarthy was doing.

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Speaker 2: Take the year off, freshen up, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: See what the new things are coming in the new schemes,

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Speaker 2: Fire yourself off. You got you got some to prove.

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Speaker 3: He ready to go.

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Speaker 2: So I like, now I'm not mad at him taking

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Speaker 3: I'm glad, like you said, all this experience he's had previous,

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Speaker 3: being able to take that one quick year off, learn

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Speaker 1: Also, he made it through a whole noother coach, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, the coach that brought you in.

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Speaker 1: You made it through the other coach. They were doing

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Speaker 1: well and then you know, when things started going downhill, somebody.

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Speaker 2: Got to go.

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Speaker 1: So you know, he's not gonna get rid of the

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Speaker 1: guys that he brought it in. McDaniel's not gonna get

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Speaker 1: him a sacrificial lamb. Yeah, so it looks like that

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Speaker 1: you're trying to do something, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: But the other guy that I'm like real excited about

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I'm I'm ain't gonna lie.

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Speaker 1: I'm really I'm really excited about that because he got

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Speaker 1: the label with the assistant head coach secondary. Now, this

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Speaker 1: is the guy you're talking about, you thinking was the decordinator,

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Speaker 1: because he was the decordinator in Washington, Okay, and last

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Speaker 1: year in twenty four to twenty five, so they were, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they were kind of trash and twenty if they were

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Speaker 2: You can't get no more trash. Now, you can't get

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Speaker 2: new worst than that.

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Speaker 1: But uh, this is the guy that was the decordinator.

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Speaker 1: And what's the name. You know what you might be, right,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Graham, I think decordinator.

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Speaker 2: Now, yes, yes, yes, that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So

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Speaker 2: he was there and.

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Speaker 1: I think he was the dB secondary coach in Dallas.

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Speaker 1: That's what it was Dallas twenty one to twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: From there he went to go be the decordinator.

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Speaker 1: But you know how some coaches like they do a

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Speaker 1: better job being able to concentrate on that one position

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Speaker 1: than you know, the whole defense. And with him being

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Speaker 1: that's an opportunity.

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Speaker 2: He's a younger guy. I think he's a year younger

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Speaker 1: I think he might be forty six, maybe forty seven.

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Speaker 1: So like, now he gets to sit back and actually

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Speaker 1: he could possibly be the person that could take over

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Speaker 1: when the time comes, okay McCarthy. And now he gets

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Speaker 1: to sit there and watch and learn under the leadership

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Speaker 1: he may be the next person in line for that position.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I liked, I like this, and what

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Speaker 3: Also? Man, I like the building from within. Like you said,

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Speaker 3: I like McCarthy bringing in all of these dudes, and

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Speaker 3: I'm letting I'm more leaving it on him.

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Speaker 2: I don't really know, you know what I'm saying too many.

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Speaker 3: Other guys, but I'm thinking Mike McCarthy, he's got his

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Speaker 2: He believes that these dudes that.

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Speaker 3: He's bringing in our dudes are going to be able

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Speaker 3: to lean it on his system and assistant head coach

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Speaker 3: means probably this guy's on what I'm on. I want

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Speaker 3: I'm more of believing in McCarthy because I know he

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Speaker 3: needs to be successful. And I don't think that he's

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Speaker 3: to listen and there's one message. So all these dudes

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Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy, to bring in these guys because you know

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Speaker 3: what it is they're allowing you to give me. You frames,

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Speaker 3: it looks like you're bringing in certain people for certain reasons.

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Speaker 3: I might not know what it is. Other people might

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Speaker 3: be like, man, no, Hista's didn't look too good over there.

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Speaker 3: But Mike, he believes in you. You guys talk the

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Speaker 3: dudes like my man, the man Brian, you know, the

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Speaker 3: tight ends coach for the Browns, he's there now, the

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Speaker 3: offensive coordinator. I didn't really get to learn under him

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Speaker 3: too much. But I think McCarthy knows more than I do.

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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go ahead and sit back and by man,

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Speaker 3: I think that's a dumb hire like or you know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying. I'm a think I think you, Mike McCarthy,

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Speaker 3: you know more than I do right now. So I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna just observe. Let you pick your puzzle pieces, Let

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Speaker 3: you be the cook, Let you be the chef, and

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Speaker 3: you see all of us going on. And now when

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Speaker 3: the season comes and we're seeing how things are moving,

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Speaker 3: how things are working, then I'll be able to judge. Man,

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Speaker 3: tight ends look weak out here, you know what I'm saying. Oh,

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Speaker 3: defense dudes are running around not knowing their jobs. You

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Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, so when you start seeing the communication,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna let it build.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Like I don't know if it's good or bad, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to say, I believe in what Mike McCarthy's trying

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Speaker 3: to do because he knows what he needs, you know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And when you say about the ego of a head coach, man,

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Speaker 1: you look at Danny Crossman, who was assistant head coach

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Speaker 1: when Mike McDaniels came in. First thing he did was

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Speaker 1: putting back to special teams coordinator. And that's one of

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Speaker 1: bringing an assistant I'm making the actual decordinator. What was

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Speaker 1: his name he made Jim. Yes, he made him assistant

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Speaker 3: You know how some people like that they're good at

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Speaker 2: Like it takes a man to be like, I'm not

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Speaker 3: Know all that. So I'm gonna delegate this to you

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Speaker 3: do everything. Everybody's not Bill Belichick. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Don Domatopekle, that's that's my dude. Man, Like I know

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Speaker 1: You know, just from his time in Cincinnati. I think

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Speaker 2: And you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: So you know, this is I.

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Speaker 1: Like McCarthy going and doing this, giving him this opportunity.

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Speaker 1: You know you're a good person, but I gotta give

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Speaker 2: Do you where do you think of this and what

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Speaker 3: I am on the same wavelength that you are, Drake

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Speaker 2: That he's not just giving you coach talk.

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Speaker 3: He's giving you like I know, there's some dirty things

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Speaker 3: It's not all about trying to switch swim through gaps,

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Speaker 2: So the things that he's gonna be able to tease the.

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Speaker 3: Dudes and be able to like know, like when you're

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like this is not good enough.

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Speaker 3: If you're getting blown off the ball, No, we're detailed, Like,

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Speaker 3: that's not acceptable. That's not what's happening in our room.

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Speaker 3: Because he can show you him not getting blown off

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Speaker 3: So just having somebody in there that's done it at

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Speaker 3: You need to be able to hold too, Like just

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Speaker 3: I'm a d lineman. I'm not getting thrown around, and

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Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So I like that in that perspective and just being

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Speaker 2: Can tell you. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, definitely, definitely. Like I said, big time buying,

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Speaker 1: Like they'll get to know him, dude, there's no way

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Speaker 1: you can't like this dude. Man, he's yeah, and like

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Speaker 1: I said, he can play the game. He played the

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Speaker 1: I went over there in twenty thirteen. I took the

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Speaker 1: Tide with me over there.

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Speaker 2: But you know that's not here nor there. Yeah that's yeah,

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Speaker 1: But I think we had okay wide receivers.

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Speaker 3: I don't know much saying. Man, listen, I'm all these

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Speaker 3: go ahead, rock. We're going, okay, Well you go rock

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Speaker 1: Then, I know, we got a lot of things that

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Speaker 1: And before we even get to that, dude, I think

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Speaker 1: I think Camus is gonna retire.

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Speaker 2: Dude.

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Speaker 1: He had a little little post that he did. We

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Speaker 2: You see that? What that?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 2: What's what's that? What that means to you? Joe?

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Speaker 3: It could be like I'm done, Yeah, I mean all right,

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Speaker 3: So that looks like a closed book, like.

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Speaker 2: The book like I'm done reading.

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Speaker 3: It could be unfinished with a chapter of a book.

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Speaker 3: But this is what I'm gonna say. I know Cam

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, the team looks at you in a certain way.

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Speaker 2: You know, once you start getting up there in the league.

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Speaker 3: And once you start getting your first contract, then you

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Speaker 2: And mind you, Cam has done everything the right way.

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Speaker 3: I think Cam and the Steelers have been working this

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Speaker 3: But when you look at a team where money wise,

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Speaker 3: we are compensating to you at first, like when your

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Speaker 3: it's not like we're giving you the highest page, but

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Speaker 3: just keep them one more year. With Cam be able

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Speaker 1: Ain't about them keeping him though, you gotta you gotta

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Speaker 1: ru well, let me, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Was playing.

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Speaker 1: So it was it was an article that came out

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Speaker 1: And he's in the last year of his deal. And

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Speaker 1: I gotta think. If I'm Cam, what am I going

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Speaker 2: Now? Like you said, he has a what is it?

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Speaker 1: A roster that is guaranteed at a certain time. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I post this, I'm given the thing that I'm done.

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Speaker 1: But then I hear or see this article. I'm on

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Speaker 1: it is, but I'm looking at both sides.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking from his side.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the side, and I'm playing a little

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Speaker 2: Know that's what I like to do.

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00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 1: Nah, looking back at it now, it's kind of makes

439
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:14,160
Speaker 1: me have to sit back and think, like oh, I'm

440
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 1: going to retire.

441
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,399
Speaker 2: It's what it's saying. But if I'm really going to retire,

442
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:19,880
Speaker 2: I just post I'm going to retire, right.

443
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 3: It could you know what?

444
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:23,679
Speaker 2: It could say? You know what, I'm.

445
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,480
Speaker 3: Still be the chapter of coach Tomlin.

446
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,880
Speaker 2: Like why this is what I'm saying? Why am? Why

447
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 2: am I?

448
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 1: Okay? You get your thank you posts m hmm to

449
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,160
Speaker 1: thank you posted to Tomlin or you.

450
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 2: Just say that you're you know, you're, you're, you're you're.

451
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 1: Done this right here is one of those Hey, now again,

452
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 1: I gotta go back. I gotta go back, especially looking

453
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 1: at the fact that he just went through a contract

454
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 1: dispute beginning of last year. This is something that could

455
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 1: possibly make it easier to get into a talk with

456
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 1: the current and new regime or whatever it is, like, Hey, caam,

457
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,679
Speaker 1: what you go do. We've seen the We've seen the

458
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 1: cryptic message you closing the book. Are you saying you're retiring?

459
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 1: He's not saying. He's not saying it's retiring. He's also

460
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 1: not saying that he's not retiring. So they're like, yo,

461
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to go to him.

462
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 2: Now.

463
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 1: I get you to come to me without me having

464
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,439
Speaker 1: to be putting to the media, have them you know

465
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 1: how the Steller fans coming at him again talking about

466
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 1: you make enough money all this other stuff.

467
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 2: You know, you see what I'm saying.

468
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 1: So now it's gonna be or it could be a

469
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,360
Speaker 1: situation where yo, he's doing what is it, like you said,

470
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 1: thirteen million by March, Yeah, March fifteen sixteen, something like that,

471
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: A league year, right, So I think the league years

472
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: with thirteen fifteen somewhere around it, whatever it may be.

473
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: So instead of me coming to you now it looks

474
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 1: as if, yo, they came to me. I really wanted

475
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: to retire. I was contemplating it, but you know what

476
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: they made me an offer so.

477
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 2: Good that I couldn't refuse or whatever it may be.

478
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,479
Speaker 1: Like like for me when I came back in fourteen, Bro,

479
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 1: I came back for a million dollars.

480
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 2: Bro.

481
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 1: I didn't come back because I needed the money and

482
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 1: all that stuff.

483
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 2: I came back because.

484
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: My brothers wanted me back, Like it didn't matter anything

485
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: about anything else.

486
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 2: My brother's like, yo, bro, we need you. I'm like, man,

487
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 2: I ain't coming back. I'm done.

488
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 1: Key's will call me. I call I called me fresh

489
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 1: out of surgery. Bro Troy called me. I'm like, you

490
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: know what, if my kids say I could come back,

491
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 1: I will.

492
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 2: Come back, come back a million dollars.

493
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 1: Did the same thing after that year, because now that

494
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: I'm doing some bonds in there, I don't fell back

495
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: in love with the process, right Yeah, yeah, again, maybe

496
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: a million and a half if it was that for

497
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: two year deal. We went and lost in the AFC

498
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: Championship game in sixteen.

499
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: I signed again after that. Why because I don't want

500
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 2: to leave on a loss. Don't nobody want to leave

501
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 2: on a loss. I'm like, I'm back.

502
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: I want to keep going again, A player deal, A

503
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 1: million and a half. So I came back, Dude, came

504
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: back from my brothers, like real life, my brothers. That's

505
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: what it came down to. So I'm thinking, like I said,

506
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 1: I'm playing a little Devils out good. This may be

507
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 1: an opportunity where I say, yo, I'm not saying I'm retiring.

508
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm not retiring, but this go get

509
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 1: you to come to me without me having to come

510
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: to you, because you're going to have to come to

511
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: me because I'm due a roster bonus, and once that

512
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: roster bonus is guaranteed. Now you may have the option

513
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: of being like, yo, I already got my money, I ain't.

514
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 2: Playing, or you give me, you give me some more.

515
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: You know, he got the incentives of setting there where

516
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, I think it was a

517
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: million bucks for you know, a million and a half

518
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: for a playoff win and you know, eight or ten

519
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 1: sacks or something, and then there was a half million

520
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: for eight sacks or whatever it may be. But that's

521
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: where I'm seeing it, Like you know what I'm saying.

522
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: It could be one way or it could be the other,

523
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: but the message is not clear, but it leaves a

524
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: lot open to interpretation.

525
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel you. I just think that the Steelers

526
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 3: right now with that, if they're going to do a

527
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 3: whole switch like you said, Mike McCarthy, I don't think

528
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 3: he don't. He don't and I hate to say, they

529
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 3: don't owe Cam nothing. So I'm just looking at it

530
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 3: from this perspective of Cam is thirty five years old.

531
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 3: No just I'm thirty seven, bro thirty seven years old,

532
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 3: got thirty Not that I'm trying to look look at me.

533
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,239
Speaker 3: I'm trying to give my man some trying to give

534
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 3: me some that, so they gave man run my man

535
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 3: money up. So it came thirty seven years old at

536
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 3: fourteen and a half million, with one more year left there.

537
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: And well, like I said, we're going off of what

538
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: a beat writer said. But when you add it together

539
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: with the cryptic message, we gotta believe close.

540
00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: Oh for sure.

541
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: Where there's smoke, it is fired. You know what I'm saying,

542
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: Because if it's a I'm thinking about it, contemplating it,

543
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: it's yo, I'm gonna go into the off season, I'm

544
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: gonna have I'm gonna sit back and think about it

545
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,719
Speaker 1: instead of Boom.

546
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying, Yeah, because it's too because

547
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 3: it's two different situations though, Cam, It's like I mean,

548
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 3: I mean bo does he want to retire? Is one thing?

549
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 3: Another thing is do you want to get an extension?

550
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 3: Or is it do you want more money?

551
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: Like? Do you want to it?

552
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 3: Is it not playing for fourteen million? Isn't good enough?

553
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 3: Or is it? Do you not if do you not

554
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 3: know if we want to play at all? Or do

555
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 3: you not want to play for fourteen Do you know

556
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 3: what I'm saying?

557
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: Like?

558
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: Which one I would want to ask Cam that? Because

559
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 3: that would kind of switch up the situation. I'm like,

560
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 3: if you don't want to play and you don't want

561
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 3: to retire, then that's that man. That's you got all

562
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 3: the power to the world. You could do whatever you

563
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 3: want to do. If you do want to play, it's fourteen.

564
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. But I can't go through that again.

565
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: I'm sitting back if I'm him, I can't go through

566
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 1: that situation again where they was all on my neck

567
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: because I'm talking about I can't feed my family on

568
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: thirteen or twelve whatever it was like, they go be

569
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: they go really be on it again two in a row.

570
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 2: But he but look, if he don't CAM, don't have

571
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: to say nothing. He can just continued to gotta say nothing.

572
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: They gotta come to him, even.

573
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 3: And even no, no, and even and even if they don't,

574
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 3: even if they don't come to him, that cryptic message

575
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 3: that ain't gonna do nothing.

576
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 2: He's still under contract, he's still playing with them. It

577
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 2: don't matter.

578
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: I gave you a crypti message, that contract and gave

579
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: me that money. No, said Roster Bonus Deadline right, y'ach

580
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: never said that I was going to retire and not retire.

581
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: I showed you that I was thinking about it.

582
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: And now we get to the point to where you

583
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: just gave me the guarantee at March fifteen, seventeen. Now

584
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Yo, that's why I said I was thinking

585
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: about it.

586
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: I need more. So what you go do?

587
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: Let him sit there and not play and get paid,

588
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: or you go negotiate with him.

589
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: You gotta go to him now. It's no other way

590
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: to do it. Oh man, that's you see what I'm saying.

591
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: I'm playing owner. I gotta go see what you go do.

592
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: I can't just sit back and be like I hope

593
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: he played and then give him the guarantee money that's

594
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: at March sixty.

595
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. They gotta go talk. So, yeah,

596
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 3: they gotta go talk.

597
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: To him before. Look, but look what you're gonna do.

598
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 3: But this is what I'm saying. This what I'm saying.

599
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: If they go pay Camp that twelve point nine million

600
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 3: right now, and do you really think he wouldn't go,

601
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 3: Like if he would go talk to them before, if

602
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 3: he goes and signs that, you think he wouldn't go

603
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 3: play for the Steelers after he signed that.

604
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: He's already nine It's not about him signing anything. He

605
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: signed through the through the end of the.

606
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 2: Day, after the year.

607
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 3: I'm saying, once he get the twelve point nine, once

608
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: March second passed and they give him twelve nine, you

609
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 3: think he still wouldn't play.

610
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: He was gonna sit out last time until they renegotiated.

611
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? He didn't even practice. I

612
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: didn't say I was going to come. I didn't say

613
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: I was gonna leave.

614
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they gotta go holler at Cam then, like,

615
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 3: you're the owner.

616
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: What are you talking about, Joe? What are you gonna

617
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,719
Speaker 1: do as the owner? You you're Mike McCarthy. What are

618
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 1: you gonna do?

619
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: Is he just gonna I'm just Cam's gonna sign and

620
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 3: just stay there and be able.

621
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: And he would play not not playing.

622
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: I said, what are you gonna do? I'm Cam, You

623
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: coming to me? Are you not gonna come to me?

624
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: You just gonna say, all right, we got him under contract.

625
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: We do to give him this money. He just put

626
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: a message out there talking about book clothes. We don't

627
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: know what the hell is going on with that, but

628
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna give you this guarantee that is guaranteed.

629
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: And if I say you pay for that. Okay, No,

630
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: this is my other question. Is it true do we know?

631
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: Is it true that Cam went to them and said

632
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: that he wanted an extension?

633
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: No, So we're saying what a beat writer said, and

634
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm putting together a cryptic message with what a beat

635
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: writer came out with three four days later. What are

636
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: you thinking? As an owner? I'm in the owner's definitely.

637
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,719
Speaker 1: If I'm the owner, You're right, You're right.

638
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 3: If I'm the owner, I gotta go see where you

639
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: gotta I gotta go talk to him. I gotta go

640
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 3: see where his head is at. Exactly. We gotta go

641
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: figure ou where his head is at. You have to.

642
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: It's no other way, especially if I'm the head coach.

643
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: You got to. You got to, you have I gotta see, I.

644
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 3: Gotta see be like yo, okay, what's that mean?

645
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: Like?

646
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: Are you still good? At fourteen?

647
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: Good?

648
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: The one one?

649
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: Like, dude, if I if I'm if, I'm if I

650
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: if I'm the GM, I'm omar, I'm call well what's

651
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: going on?

652
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: Brother? Yeah?

653
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen the message. What's like, I'm I'm I

654
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: ain't even gonna waste no time? Like, who do we got?

655
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: You know? You got you got the situation with uh,

656
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: what is it Heisman? Yes, what are you doing there?

657
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: They're saying it's a possibility that he could be traded.

658
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: I mean, look like, so when you look at the

659
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: houside that Alexis Smith is a baller, and that's that's

660
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 3: the worst part. When you start getting amazing players that

661
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 3: played the great and then you have to get in

662
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: these deals. You have TJ.

663
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: There, you have alex Heismith. He ain't going nowhere, bro, No, no, no.

664
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: Listen, I'm just naming it the people that are at

665
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 3: the same position. And we got Herbic and then you

666
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 3: just drafted my man from Ohio State.

667
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: These are young dudes like Herbik. Are we going to

668
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: right now?

669
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 3: He's the He's going into the last year of his contract,

670
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: one year three point seven.

671
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: So it's like, we know TJ's not going nowhere.

672
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: That's forty ball that's going to hit us for the

673
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: next two years minimum for sure.

674
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: But he's a baller. He's gonna we need TJ.

675
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: Then you got Alex at fifteen, it's like, okay, we're good.

676
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: And then we got Cam at fourteen, then we got Herbiic.

677
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 3: Now we're trying to figure out what deal. I think

678
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 3: the earlier trying to get Herbert is going to be this,

679
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: when you start talking like an owner, you're going to

680
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 3: offer him something that's not where he can get maximizing

681
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: the market, but something that's like, man, we're gonna get

682
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 3: you some money in your pocket. Now on Herbert side,

683
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: is that good enough? It's twelve million a year, fourteen

684
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 3: fifty team or you can go somewhere in free agent the.

685
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: Way you twenty.

686
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: They can't. They can't give him twelve. We're on the

687
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: we're on the we're on the books for for for TJ,

688
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: like you said for for forty.

689
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: We're on the books this year, coming.

690
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: Up on on on on Alex for almost eighteen. Bro,

691
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: And you're gonna give him twelve?

692
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: No, that's what That's what I said.

693
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: If you can't do, if you're not gonna give Herbert twell,

694
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 3: if you're not going to sign Herbert, we're gonna have

695
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 3: to let him play on this one year deal and

696
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 3: then after the season see if we can resign him.

697
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 3: Because it's you, you're, you're, you got your young dudes

698
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: coming in. It's good problems to have, but it's real

699
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: problems to have. It's like, what are you gonna do?

700
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: He smith? They you start looking older, getting hurt sometimes

701
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 3: with somebody else.

702
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: Can you trade for him? Not in a bad way,

703
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: because you do like you they.

704
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: Got they got they you know they can they can trade.

705
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: I think if they're trading, it's like eight eight almost

706
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: ninellion dollar savings. And then on that now you can

707
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: go and maybe offer herbic something. You seen him play,

708
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: You've seen him come in and do extremely well.

709
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: M You know what I'm saying, paid.

710
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: I give him, Like you said, before this year happens,

711
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: before next year gets here.

712
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: Next year he's unrestricted free agent. And that's what I'm saying, sliding.

713
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm going ahead and put a put a bird in

714
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: his hand versus what are you looking out out there

715
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: in the bush?

716
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 2: Now?

717
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: How to take a chance on yourself, but you also

718
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: taking a chance on your health. So am I gonna say, Okay,

719
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: I'll stay here and I'll do it for this amount?

720
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: Like even when I I signed my first time, dude,

721
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: I was a exclusive rights free agent. I signed the

722
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: deal that was like a four year, five million It

723
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: was like the biggest deal for exclusive rights non starter

724
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: at that time. Ah Man I was in the money.

725
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: Right came the next year cool blah blah blah. The

726
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: year after that, they ended up releasing Joy and I

727
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: ended up being a starter and I became the lowest

728
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: paid Pro Bowl at the period.

729
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I grew. Now I'm sitting there like, ah, man,

730
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: that's I gotta get that.

731
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, It's my time, is your

732
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: is your turn. That's why I never feel bad for

733
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 3: the young dudes. Your first deal, if you never, you

734
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: gotta go hit, you gotta crank, you gotta make sure

735
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 3: you get your dough. So I'm looking at two though, queen,

736
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: that's gonna be some money. Maybe they were gonna be

737
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,239
Speaker 3: able to get off the bucks because they on the

738
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 3: third year, third day of the league year, they owe

739
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: him two and a half.

740
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: And then they that two and a half ain't ain't

741
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: we got got You know what I'm.

742
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 3: Saying, You know you own two and a half. His

743
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 3: base salary is ten point eight. He's making thirteen point

744
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 3: three total, So that's what I'm saying. The two and

745
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: a half is just like, if we don't give you this,

746
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: then we're making sure that they you know, you're not

747
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 3: getting a ten point eight base So the two and

748
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: a half is just boom. If you get this roster bonus,

749
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: then that means you're on the roster, get your base

750
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 3: salary a ten point eight. If we don't give you

751
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 3: that roster bonus, that means we're basically saving that whole

752
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 3: thirteen point three. So I think Queen is one that

753
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 3: might might go. And then because of Joey Porter Jr.

754
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 3: He right, that's what I'm saying, Look at get paid.

755
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 2: He got it.

756
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, he's the he's the main he's the

757
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 3: one that that has to get paid for show.

758
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: And then, like you said, with the dude, I'm gonna

759
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: if I'm the owner, I'm gonna have to throw something

760
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: that at Herbert, something that I'm.

761
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 2: Hoping he ain't gonna be able to refuse.

762
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: But you're not gonna be able to give him what

763
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: it is that he's gonna be able to get in

764
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: the open market.

765
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: But neither.

766
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: But that's but that's one thing that the Stellers do have.

767
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: They never really always been the highest highest paid. They

768
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 3: weren't gonna go give you the highest paid money, but

769
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 3: they was gonna give you some good money. So hopefully

770
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 3: it's like, all right, we can go get you a

771
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: nice sign of monus. You like it here, we like

772
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 3: you here, and just that you know what I'm saying,

773
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 3: that that that good contract, so he I don't think

774
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: he'll take it. But that Still hasn't been able to

775
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 3: keep some of their players by you know, they they

776
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 3: they most of the time you play out your contract

777
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 3: when you do sign a deal. There is that.

778
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: That's the one thing I.

779
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,479
Speaker 3: Knew about the still As it was like, you're gonna

780
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 3: they play out the contracts most of them when you

781
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 3: sign a good deal.

782
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 2: I mean for the for the most part.

783
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean a lot of the contracts end

784
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: up being back in heavy like that last that last

785
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: year usually and you know that big money year that

786
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: you make that money. It's real back in heavy to

787
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: where you're either going to renegotiate or you're going to

788
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: be released.

789
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 3: And that's I can only speak on my deals that

790
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 3: I did with them. It was more upfront and and

791
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 3: then if you ryan, well, your deals weren't like like

792
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 3: your Cleveland deals. You know what I'm saying, They ain't

793
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: give you that bad bag. You know what I'm saying,

794
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 3: They gave you a bad but they ain't give you that.

795
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: Back back like they gave teacher that back back look

796
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: look out back in heavy that last year TJ's contract

797
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: he got, I think, yeah, it's there, like fifty five million.

798
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: I got a chat something. Yeah, it's something wild like

799
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: the last year like but it was.

800
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: But I think TJ dial was the first. They got

801
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 3: him three years. It's the one hundred and eight is

802
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: the thing. They gave him a hundred and eight guaranteed,

803
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: so it was three full one o eight, So we

804
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 3: still got two more years on that.

805
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 1: On the back end of yeah, well, it just depends

806
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: on how they set up the there's the name.

807
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 2: I ain't too I ain't too familiar with that, to

808
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: be honest. I'm trying to tell you, de bo let

809
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: that man got no. They can't let him go nowhere.

810
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 2: They will no matter what.

811
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: And then you gotta look like you said, little peasy,

812
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: he gotta.

813
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 2: Get paid, get paid. They gotta do something. You still got.

814
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: You still got Ramsey. Ramsey can't go nowhere. He could

815
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: do both. See, yeah, you know, it's it's a it's

816
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 2: a lot of about them.

817
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 3: And still move, fire move. They might let go fire

818
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 3: move too, because they got the young type. That's the

819
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: when you draft young at your position and they're not

820
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 3: making no do Washington making peanuts and you got fire

821
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 3: Move making twelve. It's just like when you got the

822
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: young dudes and you can go get other stuff. I mean,

823
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 3: it sucks because when you're good players, it's like obviously,

824
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 3: like that's why you play in the league. Fire Move

825
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: proved itself and that's why he was able to get

826
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 3: a contract.

827
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: But then when they bring in these younger dudes that.

828
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 3: Are actually pretty good also, they're going to get into

829
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 3: the same rhythm of Washington's gonna have to go get

830
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 3: a deal. And you can go to established teams, teams

831
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 3: that only need a tight end. I need this and

832
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 3: that we can do better. They can come and take

833
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 3: fire Move for that to no.

834
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: Man, I think if fire Move was used more effectively,

835
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: he will work.

836
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: He would work.

837
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 3: But I was trying to say, if you're trying to

838
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 3: bust the whole thing, if we're trying to start off fresh,

839
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 3: and no, I ain't trying.

840
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: To start off fresh.

841
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep the pieces I need to keep

842
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: and then and not and not lose the pieces I

843
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: can't afford to not lose, like you still got to

844
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: build towards the future. No, for sure, you know what

845
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Look at game, Well what was it? He

846
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: signed a year deal right last year?

847
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 3: Bring him back?

848
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: Okay, so.

849
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: Are you going to bring him Smith? Gonna be what

850
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: he did and what he's free? Free right now?

851
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: Right? Yes? Free? Well look look this one.

852
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: Think he can't go get more than what we go

853
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: offer him and he's free, free, dude, he ain't got

854
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: to sit and wait and be like a bird in

855
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: the bush versus.

856
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 3: No, we could go. Yes, okay, we might not be

857
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 3: able to keep I would like to try to entertain them.

858
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 3: We look, yes you can try. Yes, I'm just what

859
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like I'm John new Smith.

860
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: But think about this man. You going you try to

861
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: retain him.

862
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: You give him a price that he already got out

863
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: there that's somewhere way bigger than that. That would be

864
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: considered in taking as disrespectful. Say that again, I said

865
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: that may be considered in taking as disrespectful if it's

866
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: respect for slapping your face that they offer you, you know,

867
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 1: two million, and somebody already got something on the table

868
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: for you for four and a half five this So.

869
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you this. I'm gonna tell.

870
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: You you can't look You're gonna have to feel disrespected

871
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 3: then game well, because that's all we got for you.

872
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: So I mean, if you're gonna go somewhere else for sure,

873
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 3: and just honestly, I'm not sure.

874
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: You gotta get you till I see you what the

875
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: high is on the table?

876
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 3: You freeze a bird, so then you can go over

877
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: there and then you mess around. Go somewhere and go

878
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: get your bag and it be terrible or is it

879
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 3: just how much worse can it be?

880
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: Here?

881
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: I mean, then head he was getting off, he was

882
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: getting getting off. But if you get the bag.

883
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 3: Go somewhere. I mean, this is what I'm saying, go somewhere.

884
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 3: Tell me that's even worse.

885
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: You never won a super Bowl, right, No, you never

886
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: won a super Bowl. No, and you made plenty of money. Yes,

887
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: Would you give up fifty percent of what you made

888
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: for one?

889
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: Hell no?

890
00:39:55,080 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: Exactly? Fuck Joe, not even Joe. Listen, listen for me.

891
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: I would give up fifty percent of what I made

892
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: for one super Bowl because I know the feeling of

893
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: winning one and losing one.

894
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 3: So I know the feeling of being able to provide

895
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 3: for my family and that ring and that stoke. But

896
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 3: if I could have done it on my way to

897
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 3: do it, what's meant for me? It is meant for me,

898
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 3: And it looked like God was meant for me to

899
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 3: get this stuff and maybe.

900
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: Not a ring. So I mean, shit, it is what

901
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: it is. I meant with the rolls.

902
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: So if it was meant for be, it was meant

903
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 3: for b everything.

904
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 2: Let me let me ask and where my feet are

905
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: right now? For you?

906
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: Let me ask you never Okay, Now I'm gonna give

907
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: you numbers though, Okay, it's gonna be the difference. All right,

908
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: you get fifty's making a hundred you make a hundred million,

909
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: h that you never won the Super Bowl? Or sorry,

910
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 1: you make a hundred million and you win a super Bowl,

911
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: but you make two hundred and fifty million, but you

912
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: never win one. Which one you're taking?

913
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 3: Wow?

914
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: See, I know money is what's leading you see for me,

915
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: I'm taking the Super Bowl because the goal of the.

916
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: Game for me was to win out of the parties.

917
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: That was my goal. That was it.

918
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 3: If I could go, Cause I came.

919
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: Into the game not even thinking about the money.

920
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: I came into the game like Yo, I get an

921
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: opportunity to actually play the game and get paid.

922
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, they actually do that.

923
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: I can slay a football game that I loved the

924
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: play since I was a kid, and they go give

925
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: me money.

926
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 3: To do it.

927
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, whoa shit, that shit happened.

928
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 3: That shit happened to me all the way until I

929
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 3: was probably like into the league, until I said, I

930
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: felt that same feeling until I got into it, until

931
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: I got into the league, until I got into the league,

932
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 3: until I started seeing how it.

933
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: Is a business.

934
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like that game that we

935
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 3: loved and the reason why we did it and we

936
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 3: played so hard. I had that kid joy with me

937
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 3: all the way until I got into.

938
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: The league and was really so when you say you

939
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: got into the league, my thing is when you got

940
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: into the league, it don't matter how you got it.

941
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: You can't pick where you go.

942
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: So obviously it was after you got into the league

943
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: and you were looking at that second deal and you

944
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: had been sitting over there in Cleveland with a horrible,

945
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: horrible organization that don't know how to do anything right

946
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: and don't have the right focus on what the goal is.

947
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: And that's the Championship. See, I came in and I

948
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: got to sit over here in Pittsburgh. I got to

949
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: see what it was about. I got to walk past

950
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 1: full five trophies, you know what I'm saying. I got

951
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: to walk past fro trophies every time I got there.

952
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: And then I got to sit there and be a

953
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: part of putting a fifth trophy in there, you know

954
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, as a special teams player. Then I

955
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: got blessed to be able to be in there and

956
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: bring one in there as a full time starter, the

957
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: sixth trophy as a full committed starting player and a

958
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: special teams player. So I think I think that may

959
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: be a part of that culture over there in Cleveland,

960
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: that just.

961
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: Your vision of what the Okay, let me tell you this,

962
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 2: let me tell this.

963
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 3: I could I could respect that. But when you go

964
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 3: and you play, like you said, you go see all

965
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 3: the parties, you can control what you can control. Like

966
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 3: you said, I really do think being drafted to certain

967
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 3: teams and being in certain environments like that really can

968
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 3: mold you to be like this, Nah, this shit fucked up,

969
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Like they're not trying to

970
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 3: win over here, like I would lose. When I was

971
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: in there trying to go hard as a mug, I'm like,

972
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 3: and we would lose a game. I'm crying in the

973
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 3: locker room. I'm crying, and you see niggas not in there.

974
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: They not crying. They're like this, man, we grown, man,

975
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 3: this is our job. And then we walk out. I'm

976
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: like this, that would that could really scar you because

977
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 3: like at end of the day, I'm like, man, I'm

978
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: trying my hardest. You just want to do your best.

979
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: But then you start really realizing, like when you said

980
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: too low and that's not a bad thing. I still

981
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 3: balled out and I still did it because that's what

982
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: I love. But I understood, like GMS coaches, niggas out here,

983
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 3: they fighting for theirself. They got it. They protecting themselves.

984
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 3: So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna ball the

985
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: hell out. But the Super Bowl, these niggas don't want

986
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 3: it like that. So I'm gonna make sure I could

987
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 3: protect myself, make sure everything's locked in. I'm doing my job,

988
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So if money gonna come,

989
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get signed. I'm gonna do my deals. But

990
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 3: that's when I was like if I would have got

991
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: drafted to Pittsburgh, I really think me crying after the

992
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 3: games and really being feeling like I'm all the way best.

993
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 3: Nigga's been crying with me, like man, yeah for shore,

994
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 3: Like no, this is what we do. We're here to win.

995
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 3: You care, you really care? You know what I'm saying.

996
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 3: So I could say that, so I'm not like knocking it,

997
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: but I'm like, my I love the game, but it

998
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: really could show you, like Nigga, you're in this.

999
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: It's a business. It is a business.

1000
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 3: So when I started getting cut, I thought I was

1001
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: gonna be in Pistols.

1002
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 2: I thought it was gonna be playing for the Browns forever.

1003
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: Shop me trying to.

1004
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 3: Get me to take a pay cut. I'm like, me,

1005
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: take a pay cut here. After all I've done in

1006
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 3: this city. You're tripping get me out of here. So

1007
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: now I'm gonna try to go somewhere and go win

1008
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: a ship. That's why I went to Pittsburgh because I'm like, oh, yeah,

1009
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 3: I see them trying to with some ships over here,

1010
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 3: try and get it done. So a thousand percent, I'm

1011
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 3: on that with you, d BO. I feel you, but

1012
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, that's why I get that two fifty.

1013
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 3: And still that's why I know, because they don't care

1014
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 3: I got that two fifty.

1015
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: If I was in Cleveland and I go buy me

1016
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: a ring.

1017
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 1: I see you buy a lot of rings and chains

1018
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: and all that.

1019
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see that.

1020
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 3: Yes, they pissed me off.