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Speaker 1: Joining us now here on your home of the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: The current executive vice president CEO and Director of Player

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Speaker 1: Personnel for your Cowboys, Stephen Jones, And a good afternoon, sir.

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Speaker 1: How are you. I'm doing good? How are you guys doing? Oh,

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Speaker 1: we're outstanding. You know Friday, the weather's perfect and all

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Speaker 1: that heading into the weekend. First question here, You know,

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Speaker 1: the twenty fourteen and twenty sixteen Cowboys had great seasons,

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Speaker 1: but they didn't have what you would call a really

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Speaker 1: good defense or even one that took it away a lot.

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Speaker 1: So whence the last time you felt this good about

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Speaker 1: a Cowboys team and their balance and the possibilities. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think you know, when we had Zam, we had

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Speaker 1: the number one defense in the league, and of course

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Speaker 1: Bill was our head coach there with Sean and thought

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Speaker 1: we really had some good balanced teams and during that run,

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Speaker 1: and you know, really felt like we had a team

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Speaker 1: that could could win. We're obviously young with Tony at

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Speaker 1: of those great defenses we had when Mike Zimmer was

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Speaker 1: our defensive coordinator. You know you mentioned those coaches. Is

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Speaker 1: this coaching staff a big part of you know, why

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Speaker 1: you feel that good about this team, no question, no question.

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Speaker 1: I think all these guys are showing what they can do,

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Speaker 1: whether it's coach McCarthy, whether it's Dan Quinn, whether it's

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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore. You know, bones our special team coach does

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Speaker 1: a tremendous job. We just really feel good about our

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Speaker 1: coaching staff. Stephen Lyle Collins has a hearing this afternoon

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Speaker 1: or it was at one o'clock. Is there any update

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Speaker 1: from Sherman on that hearing that you can share with us? No,

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Speaker 1: not anything that I'm aware of. I hadn't been updated

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Speaker 1: Lyle and his attorneys are handling his business. We don't

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Speaker 1: know a whole lot about it other than there is

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Speaker 1: one going on. And Steven, if he in fact does

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Speaker 1: win this and again I'm speculating here and I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: a possibility that he could play this weekend? You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm just not sure. I mean, we'll just have to

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Speaker 1: see how I don't want to speculate because it's unfair

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Speaker 1: would out. That's how these things work, and we've been

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Speaker 1: see what comes of this. Right now, we know, you know,

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Speaker 1: turns out. When did you know Terrence Steele could could

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Speaker 1: great experience last year getting thrown into the mix, and

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Speaker 1: then you know, he's just got a great way about

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Speaker 1: himself in terms of his work ethic, the way he

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Speaker 1: stronger in his core, and then built on his experience.

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Speaker 1: So it's not at all a shocker. But certainly he

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Speaker 1: sure stepped up and stepped up in a big way,

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Speaker 1: and great to have him doing the good things that

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Speaker 1: he's doing right now. We obviously need him without Lyle

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Speaker 1: Hey Steven. Speaking of people stepping up, we've been surprised

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Speaker 1: by a lot of the depth that the Cowboys have,

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Speaker 1: especially on the defensive side of the ball, with Dan

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Speaker 1: Let's look at Michael Parsons again, because so many Cowboy

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Speaker 1: many different positions. He said, from the time he's got here,

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think Dan's doing a great job

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Speaker 1: you've got a situation where you've got all these young

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Speaker 1: Nevill Gallimore was one of your better defensive tackles coming

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Speaker 1: come back in and what's your health? You're ready to go.

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Speaker 1: You can't have enough good football players, if you know

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Speaker 1: Bryant this day in time. I mean, it's a it's

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Speaker 1: good about our roster right now. We have some good

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Speaker 1: And it's great to know that we have some depth,

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Speaker 1: work themselves out. It's Stephen Jones here with you on

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Speaker 1: olds loving cheeseburgs and milkshakes and they have to learn

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Speaker 1: over time that you can't have cheeseburgers and milkshakes all

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Speaker 1: the time. So you know, you nailed that one. Another

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Speaker 1: You look at Nick Saban, what's happened with a lot

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Speaker 1: you nailed it, Brian. It's just a combination of you know,

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Speaker 1: anytime these players get big contracts and guarantees, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: and you know, Jalen's done a great job for us.

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Speaker 1: He plays hard. Do you watch him play on Sunday?

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Speaker 1: do a great job for the packers up there. But

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Speaker 1: that's just not the case. It's a it's a combination

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Speaker 1: But wish him nothing but the best. He was a

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Speaker 1: betting on Jalen Smith. I bet he'll be successful in

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Speaker 1: Green Bay. Yes, sir Stephen Jones here with us. What

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Speaker 1: are we watching with this great breakout with Trevon Diggs.

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Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen, this team had a hot start and three

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Speaker 1: and they're they're playing some really good football and I

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Speaker 1: Give 'em hell Steve, We'll be pulling for you. Thank you, guys,