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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the solid Verbo I'll that for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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<v Speaker 2>for Dake Edith State.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that woo woom and down and tie? Welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to these solid Verba boys and girls. My name is

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<v Speaker 1>Ty Hildebrand jointing me over there in locked down in

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<v Speaker 1>New York City, the one and only Dan Rubinstein, Sir,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you tie?

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<v Speaker 2>In these very strange times, It's kind of comforting. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna lie. It is always comforting to hear

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<v Speaker 2>your voice, but it is especially comforting to hear the

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<v Speaker 2>enthusiasm in your voice. As at least I as a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty full stream podcaster, and you as somebody who regularly

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<v Speaker 2>wears I would say classified hazmat suits your secret day job.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's just cut it off right there.

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<v Speaker 2>We are at least used to a little bit of isolation. Sure, Wait,

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<v Speaker 2>but as as more and more people self isolate or

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<v Speaker 2>self quarantine and are taking measures, and I hope everybody

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<v Speaker 2>is using common sense and consideration during these again, very

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<v Speaker 2>strange times, I'll say, welcome to the party.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the party. One and all. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>downloading the solid verbal. I am Ty Hildebrant. He is

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Rubinstein. Both of our hands look like the dinosaur

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<v Speaker 1>eggs from Jurassic Park one. At this point, I am

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<v Speaker 1>assuming we are not alone in this journey. However, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna talk as much college football as we can. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Over the next hour or so, we got some fun

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<v Speaker 1>games to catch up on. Talk about where things are

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<v Speaker 1>headed over the I don't know, next couple months, assuming

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<v Speaker 1>there is a season, I'm assuming it's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why you would just assume that tie well,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, of course, now as we are recording, it

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<v Speaker 2>does feel like the world is falling apart.

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<v Speaker 1>Many schools have canceled spring athletics, March Madness is off.

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<v Speaker 1>Countless sports entities in leagues are canceling or postponing. So

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<v Speaker 1>there is clearly a lot of action out there. But

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<v Speaker 1>at least for the next like forty five to sixty minutes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>at least for the next forty five to sixty minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>let's assume it's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's reasonable enough. What is actually still happening?

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<v Speaker 2>Golf and NASCAR NASCAR without the crowd. I mean, as

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<v Speaker 2>of our recording, we're doing this Thursday at five pm Eastern.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what seems to be still happening. And certainly there

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be generally more of a distance between golfers,

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<v Speaker 2>definitely with NASCAR drivers.

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<v Speaker 1>Correctly, I mean, it might just be podcasting in Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>by the time we get done with the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Certainly, the least consequential victim of COVID nineteen coronavirus is

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<v Speaker 2>the ability to generate content now without spring practice, now

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<v Speaker 2>without recruiting it's right, So that is the least consequential

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<v Speaker 2>and important victim of all of this, and that's where

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<v Speaker 2>we stand today. Ty, I'm going to explain what we're

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<v Speaker 2>doing here today. I don't know if you wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>promote various avenues that we have where you can find

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<v Speaker 2>us where we're now getting more and more active on

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram because it's March. It's March. We got nothing else

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<v Speaker 2>to do, right, we have nothing else to do, so

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing more and more on Instagram. So just solid

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<v Speaker 2>Verbo right there on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, anywhere that generally

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<v Speaker 2>we can possibly be found there.

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<v Speaker 1>We are the beaks of content hungry for ballers are

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<v Speaker 1>open and pointed towards the heavens, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>try and do our best to feed the hungry here

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<v Speaker 1>as we progress through whatever remains of our college football springtime.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct. So do you remember the theme that we used

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<v Speaker 2>for signing day and recruiting. Yeah, it was construction. We

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<v Speaker 2>were building a house, and we were talking about how

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<v Speaker 2>team were doing constructing their programs for the future, and

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<v Speaker 2>tried to say the word lifeblood as little as possible. Today,

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<v Speaker 2>it's sort of we're using a similar analogy or metaphor

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<v Speaker 2>whatever in that college football in general is I would argue,

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<v Speaker 2>a layer of many different things, especially teams, and constructing

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<v Speaker 2>a college football cake is something that became interesting to

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<v Speaker 2>me as I took a shower the other day and

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<v Speaker 2>had cakes. The Distance the band Cakes hit song from

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety six, The Distance all of a sudden pop

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<v Speaker 2>into my head, and I started thinking about the distance

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<v Speaker 2>between certain programs and certain accomplishment points, fence posts, or

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<v Speaker 2>sort of tears within the sport. And I broke it

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<v Speaker 2>down cake tears because like a good birth day cake,

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<v Speaker 2>which I would argue doesn't exist. But that's neither here

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<v Speaker 2>nor there for the time being. They're multiple layers, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>with different flavors, different colors, different thicknesses is different viscosities. Tie.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's how I'm breaking down the five college football layers

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of program and team and competitive health. I've

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<v Speaker 2>got five s's. I've got sad sort of three and

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<v Speaker 2>nine in blow subpar flirting with ball eligibility. You're four

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<v Speaker 2>and eight's, your five and sevens, maybe your six and

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<v Speaker 2>six every so often satisfactory, your ball team six and six,

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<v Speaker 2>seven and five, maybe sparkling up an eight and four

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<v Speaker 2>every so often striving. That's a team that is contending

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<v Speaker 2>for their division, maybe the conference. Late in the season,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they're in a weak division and they can end

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<v Speaker 2>up in the conference championship game. Top fifteen ish program,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you've got your supers, your super programs. They're

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<v Speaker 2>basically in the playoff conversation annually. They're a mainstay of

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<v Speaker 2>late November playoff talk. If this team wins, then this

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<v Speaker 2>team has a shot. If this team doesn't make it,

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<v Speaker 2>then suddenly this opens up. That's those are my five

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<v Speaker 2>s tiers. Does that sort of make sense? We've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about the sport in some of those in that tier talk.

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<v Speaker 2>So what we're gonna do if you can give me

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<v Speaker 2>some eight bitcake?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh love a good eight bit mid nineties early two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand's funky alternative rock band. We're going to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>the distance between certain programs and their next level that

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<v Speaker 2>they could be approaching, perhaps what it'll take if they

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<v Speaker 2>can ever realistically get there. We ask for suggestions on

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram via Instagram Stories. A lot of good teams were

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<v Speaker 2>thrown out there that I think we're going to review.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to figure out if a reasonable distance exists? Y,

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<v Speaker 2>all right? And what it actually will take for teams

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<v Speaker 2>to go the distance? God, I how to throw that

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<v Speaker 2>in there for you just at the end it will

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<v Speaker 2>stab call that into business now. Obviously the song is

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<v Speaker 2>about I guess perseverance, which in a way we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about here. Sure, even though the main character characters are

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<v Speaker 2>nowhere near winning the race, they keep going and going

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<v Speaker 2>long after the crowds have left. So, ty, what are

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<v Speaker 2>some teams that I think would be under consideration for

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<v Speaker 2>SAD with an I on becoming.

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<v Speaker 1>Subpar well first and foremost. Yeah, this would be a

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, talk about all show topics, A lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Takes a lot of fun chatter, and you could talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this show which is cake themed, Dan, Now your

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<v Speaker 1>first cake tier is the sad tier, right? These are

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<v Speaker 1>teams that were what three and nine and below or worse?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, three.

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<v Speaker 1>And nine are below. So some that come to mind,

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<v Speaker 1>Rutgers in Kansas I think are are like the gimmes.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, Arkansas is interesting to me as well because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they have sunk to quite the depth of

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<v Speaker 1>a Rutgers or Kansas. But a last they did finish

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<v Speaker 1>two and ten and didn't beat any Power Five teams

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<v Speaker 1>in the twenty nineteen season.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to review all of Chad Morris's SEC victories.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all of it. That's it. We covered it that

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<v Speaker 2>it feels sad, that feels like it's it'll qualify as sad. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen. I don't think Arkansas is

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<v Speaker 2>a sad program. I think the current status is sad

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<v Speaker 2>but optimistic. But a chunk of what we've seen recently,

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<v Speaker 2>which is four and eight to inten to in ten,

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<v Speaker 2>has at least the most of the current Arkansas players.

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<v Speaker 2>The current generation of Arkansas players are used to college

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<v Speaker 2>football sadness, so that qualifies for me.

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<v Speaker 1>So why don't we do this. Let's talk about what

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<v Speaker 1>it would take for let's pick one of these teams, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>to make it from the sad tier up to the

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<v Speaker 1>subpar tier, which would be flirting with bull eligibility.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, what do you think of all three

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<v Speaker 2>of these teams, we can focus on one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we should focus on Arkans.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's focus on Arkansas because I know we have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of Hogs fans that listen to this show and

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<v Speaker 1>on occasion. But yeah, I mean, like Rutgers, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>usually a proponent of going back to the future with

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<v Speaker 1>an old coach. In this case, I think greg Ciano

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<v Speaker 1>makes a lot of sense. He needs players across the board.

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<v Speaker 1>He needs some sort of draw to keep New Jersey

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<v Speaker 1>kids in New Jersey. It's not a bad state for

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<v Speaker 1>talent from a college football perspective. He was able to

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<v Speaker 1>build that program up once. I think if anyone's going

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<v Speaker 1>to do it, he's a good guy to put in charge.

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<v Speaker 1>Baggage aside all the other Greg Ciano stuff aside, I

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<v Speaker 1>think he's the right guy to maybe take a run

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<v Speaker 1>at this, and kind of on the same lines, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we saw the value last year in bringing in

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<v Speaker 1>a big name head coach like Les Miles. Like this

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<v Speaker 1>is a tough category, right because if you're three and

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<v Speaker 1>nine and your Rutgers or Kansas, you pretty much need everything.

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<v Speaker 1>But from a high level, you just need a reason

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<v Speaker 1>to believe, and maybe Seano can provide that. At Rutgers

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<v Speaker 1>less Miles, I thought did a pretty good job of

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<v Speaker 1>doing that at Kansas. The truth is they were more

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<v Speaker 1>relevant in twenty nineteen. They beat two Power five teams,

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<v Speaker 1>Boston College and Texas Tech. Neither one of those were

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<v Speaker 1>world beaters, but still it's a start and not to

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<v Speaker 1>mention competitive against teams like Texas, Iowa State, and West Virginia.

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<v Speaker 1>They still need a lot of help to get up

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<v Speaker 1>to that next tier, and I don't think it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen tomorrow or a year from tomorrow. But I

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<v Speaker 1>do think there was some notable improvement on the Kansas

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<v Speaker 1>front that it validates that move to less miles.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean we saw results in year one from Kansas.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that they're at least trending in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 2>They made the change at offensive coordinator. I think in

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<v Speaker 2>early October Brent Deerman, who became the new offensive coordinator,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly helped spark the offense. They dropped nearly fifty against Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they finished something like aith in the country

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<v Speaker 2>and offensive S and P, which feels like a huge deal.

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<v Speaker 2>They were more competitive certainly in the Big Twelve. An

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<v Speaker 2>up and down year, I guess a changing year for

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<v Speaker 2>the Big Twelve and Rutgers they're doing a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>what it looks like Oregon State has succeeded in doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we didn't use that name and talking about sad teams,

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<v Speaker 2>a program that had been in that sad space and

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<v Speaker 2>made the leap to subpar in twenty nineteen, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is hit the transfer market hard, go after coaches who

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<v Speaker 2>know the area really really well, assistants, and certainly Rutgers

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<v Speaker 2>and hiring from within the state of New Jersey and

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<v Speaker 2>Greg Ciano leveraging his relationships within the state. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know they have a Michigan and Ohio State transfer Brendan White,

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<v Speaker 2>the safety for Ohio State, Michael Dwumfoor from Michigan. So Rutgers, certainly,

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<v Speaker 2>like any team that's trying to make this move, is

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<v Speaker 2>trying to reassess the roster talent wise, re energize, get

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<v Speaker 2>commitment and secure and thanks to the big tens ft

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<v Speaker 2>TV contract, hopefully keep around assistants who make a difference

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<v Speaker 2>both on the field.

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<v Speaker 1>That's actually a good segue to talk about Arkansas. So

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<v Speaker 1>Sam Pittman comes over from Georgia where he was an

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<v Speaker 1>assistant head coach. He released Chad Morris of his duties,

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<v Speaker 1>or I should say steps in after Chad Morris was

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<v Speaker 1>to take the mass duties.

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<v Speaker 2>What a brutal way to go. Have the guy replacing

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<v Speaker 2>you do the action fire. It wasn't like someone came

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<v Speaker 2>out of a bullpen and.

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<v Speaker 1>Tapped the starter on the shoulder, nothing like that stone

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<v Speaker 1>cold Sam Pittman. But you're talking about keeping assistants, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how long Sam Pittman can keep his assistance.

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<v Speaker 1>I do know, though, that he hired two notable ones

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<v Speaker 1>in Kendall Briles to run his offense and former Missouri

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<v Speaker 1>coach and defensive guru Berry Odom to run his defense.

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<v Speaker 1>It is tough looking at this schedule to imagine a

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<v Speaker 1>world in which Arkansas gets the six wins. Sure, very

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<v Speaker 1>tough SEC West. They also a play Notre Dame. They

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<v Speaker 1>also play Tennessee from the other side of the conference,

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<v Speaker 1>which I don't think is a pushover. So it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be slow going. But again, given where they're

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<v Speaker 1>coming from, having finished two and ten didn't beat any

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<v Speaker 1>Power five teams, we're close in the first half of

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<v Speaker 1>the year, but the results were not there. I think

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<v Speaker 1>at least an interesting framework here is in place for Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how it looks to put their existing

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<v Speaker 1>personnel grouping into whatever system Sam Pittman's going to set forth,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do know that I see the names that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm encouraged by them.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so as it stands today, in mid March, with

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<v Speaker 2>Arkansas reluctantly crouched at the starting line. Thank you, Yeah, Maha.

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<v Speaker 2>Their talent level is a lot higher thanks to the

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<v Speaker 2>recruiting of the last couple of years than a team

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<v Speaker 2>like Rutgers or Kansas, which has not been able to

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<v Speaker 2>transfer any early enthusiasm for their new coaches to success

0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.520
<v Speaker 2>on the recruiting trail. Arkansas also brought in Felipe Franks.

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<v Speaker 2>They've brought in an Xavier to Xavier Kelly from Clemson,

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<v Speaker 2>a highly regarded and played a ton for the Tigers

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<v Speaker 2>this year defensive linemen. So they're trying to re energize

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<v Speaker 2>the roster, and certainly what Sam Pittman was able to

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<v Speaker 2>do in hiring especially those coordinators tells me that one

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<v Speaker 2>people probably want to work for Sam Pittman. He's been

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<v Speaker 2>around long enough in his reputation I suppose speaks for

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<v Speaker 2>itself that somebody with the success of both Kendall Brile's

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<v Speaker 2>and Barry otom wants to work with him and believes

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<v Speaker 2>enough in Arkansas's potential long term that even if they

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<v Speaker 2>succeed in leave, that Sam Pittman would be able to

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<v Speaker 2>go out and find replacements that would keep any sort

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<v Speaker 2>of success that they've built up going. I am pretty

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<v Speaker 2>confident that Arkansas can get to at least becoming a

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<v Speaker 2>bowl team once again. When you look at the SEC

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<v Speaker 2>West and the SEC in general, there's still a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of with Alabama year over year losing what they lose,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm never going to cry for Alabama. But LSU

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<v Speaker 2>with a lot of turnover this past year after becoming

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<v Speaker 2>the best LSU and maybe SEC team on offense of

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<v Speaker 2>all time, and the Mississippi schools hiring new coaches as

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<v Speaker 2>well Texas A and M I certainly think is acending.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think Arkansas is in a good place. I

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<v Speaker 2>just it's very hard for me to see them as

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<v Speaker 2>anything less than subpar long term. With Sam Poman, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't really understand the Felipe Franks move, not from Arkansas' standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>but from me. They need somebody, No, no, I understand

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<v Speaker 1>it from their perspective. Okay, I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 1>understand it from his.

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<v Speaker 2>But well, he'll be on a big stage to prove

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<v Speaker 2>his worth for any sort of evaluation at the next level.

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<v Speaker 2>If he succeeds at Arkansas, he continues his growth. It

0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:00.760
<v Speaker 2>was just bad luck last year. He probably would have

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<v Speaker 2>had a good year like Kyle Trask did at Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I suppose it's he wanted to stay in

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<v Speaker 2>a very big conference and that was an immediate opening.

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<v Speaker 2>And they've recruited receiver pretty well. They've got a number

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<v Speaker 2>of talented young receivers, blue chip guys. So to me,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems fine.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fine. It's fine for Arkansas. I'm curious to see

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of offense Kendle Briles tries to form around him.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think there is reason for optimism, as there

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<v Speaker 1>always is whenever you go in a different direction with

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<v Speaker 1>your h head football coach. And they got some names here. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if we assume much, just assume, because we are starved

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<v Speaker 1>for good news right now, let's assume that Arkansas makes

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<v Speaker 1>that jump into the subpar tier. Yeah, well, Dan, right now,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got four teams here in the subpar tier. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a little thicker than that bottom tier.

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<v Speaker 2>If we By the way, do you do you have

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<v Speaker 2>any confidence in Kansas or Rutgers or between the two.

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<v Speaker 2>Not in the short term, Not in the short term. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>not in the short term. No, I don't have either

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<v Speaker 2>right now because of the quarterbacks uncertainty with both schools,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think that's what places Arkansas level above, even

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<v Speaker 2>arguably in a more difficult division.

0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:20.639
<v Speaker 1>So the inner workings of our cake here are very competitive.

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<v Speaker 1>And as one team moves up into the sub par tier,

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<v Speaker 1>you know another has to move down, but also some

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<v Speaker 1>in that subpar tier have to move up as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is a show about positivity today. We want progression.

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<v Speaker 2>We want progression. So we're talking about teams that have

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<v Speaker 2>been flirting with Bowl eligibility working up into the satisfactory tier,

0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.600
<v Speaker 2>i e. They become a pretty consistent Bowl team. The

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<v Speaker 2>ones that we have listed out are Ole Miss, Arizona Nebraska,

0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:58.960
<v Speaker 2>and Texas Tech. So Ole Miss is the only of

0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:01.760
<v Speaker 2>these teams working in a new coach, a new system,

0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.680
<v Speaker 2>new assistance. It's an overhaul of a program that actually

0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:07.919
<v Speaker 2>showed a good amount of fight at times last season

0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.840
<v Speaker 2>under Matt Luke, and now as they moved to Lane Kiffin,

0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:15.119
<v Speaker 2>they've recruited somewhat well, certainly dealing with a lot of

0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:21.080
<v Speaker 2>unfortunate off field attention. I am curious as to what

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback looks like because John Reese Plumbley is not It

0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.480
<v Speaker 2>doesn't seem like the prototype for a Lane Kiffin quarterback,

0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:31.320
<v Speaker 2>but that has evolved over the course of his coaching career.

0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:35.520
<v Speaker 2>And defensively, I was impressed with the step up they

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<v Speaker 2>took last year because they had grown nightmare of a defense. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and last year they showed a good amount of fight

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<v Speaker 2>relative to where they were. Now it's another new defensive coordinator.

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<v Speaker 2>They have the one year blip of Mike McIntyre, and

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<v Speaker 2>so they're again making a change there. I'm intrigued, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have huge reason for hope right now that

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<v Speaker 2>a leap to SAT Factory is imminent for all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I disagree there at all. At first off,

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<v Speaker 1>I was surprised by the move to get rid of

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Luke. I think I always assumed that they would

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<v Speaker 1>do it when they named him coach, but it didn't

0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:19.040
<v Speaker 1>feel like there was that level of aggression. However, to

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<v Speaker 1>go out and get Lane Kiff. And I understand that

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<v Speaker 1>there's an appeal there. I like John Reese Plumbley. I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how he fits in, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to have to try and find a way

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<v Speaker 1>because he's an exciting player, and I just think overall,

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<v Speaker 1>I like the personnel at Old Miss. I think it's

0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:36.840
<v Speaker 1>a good situation for Lane Kiffin. So we'll see. But

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you, I don't think they're an obvious

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<v Speaker 1>candidate to jump tiers. What about Arizona, Dan, If I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to be negative, yeah, I think the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I do like about Arizona is I like Grant Gunnell.

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<v Speaker 2>They get in the Oregon transfer Brendan schooler whose brother

0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:57.440
<v Speaker 2>is actually really good for Arizona. On the other side

0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:00.919
<v Speaker 2>of the ball, Colins Schooler. But the talent level, the

0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:03.600
<v Speaker 2>upheoval at coach, They get rid of Marcel Yate's late

0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:05.600
<v Speaker 2>in the season, the defensive coordinator, and now they hire

0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Paul Rhodes to take over the Arizona defense, who he's

0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:12.640
<v Speaker 2>been well traveled. Paul Rhodes came on the show, friend

0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:17.480
<v Speaker 2>of the show. Yeah, but the talent level and overall plan,

0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:21.040
<v Speaker 2>this would have been a program that I just I

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<v Speaker 2>would have liked to see the Wildcats do. What's so

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<v Speaker 2>clearly happening in Tempe that there's enthusiasm that there is

0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:32.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, they are turning a big win into something more.

0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:34.400
<v Speaker 2>We saw Arizona beat Oregon two years ago and then

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<v Speaker 2>just sort of get worse. Khalil Taate and the offense

0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:41.040
<v Speaker 2>and everything just sort of snowballed downward, which I guess

0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:46.760
<v Speaker 2>is technically where snowballs go. And the enthusiasm just doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>seem to be at Arizona there, the recruiting is down,

0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:53.240
<v Speaker 2>the defense. I'm not all that confident in the talent

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<v Speaker 2>level there. I just you have been.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, we talk pretty much every day. Yeah, usually

0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:04.200
<v Speaker 1>we're pretty even keel, both of us. But you were

0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:07.560
<v Speaker 1>viscerally angry when we talked about Arizona a couple weeks ago,

0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:11.159
<v Speaker 1>like this is a program that should be better. I

0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:13.080
<v Speaker 1>think I agree with you. I won't go too negative,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do think it's highly unlikely that this jump

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<v Speaker 1>up in tears happens anytime soon for Arizona, at at

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<v Speaker 1>least in years past. Yeah, you could count on the offense,

0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:28.560
<v Speaker 1>but we're at a point now where the idea of

0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:33.800
<v Speaker 1>a Kevin somewhat offense maybe better than the actual product.

0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:36.760
<v Speaker 1>At least that's the way it's felt the last two seasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not I'm not there. Texas Tech, though it

0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:43.360
<v Speaker 2>is interesting to me.

0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Is British comedy legend Alan Bowman going to be healthy

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<v Speaker 1>this year.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we can make that assumption based on

0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:54.360
<v Speaker 2>previous just playing bad luck. I don't like to think

0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:57.200
<v Speaker 2>of college players as frail or injury prone. Sometimes there's

0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:00.639
<v Speaker 2>just bad luck, and that kind of also helps to

0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:03.960
<v Speaker 2>define what Texas Tech's twenty nineteen look like. I think

0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:08.200
<v Speaker 2>they lose four games by either three or two points,

0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:14.720
<v Speaker 2>and while yes, you can control a lot in close losses,

0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:18.720
<v Speaker 2>they're not be getting blown out. Their pass defense needs

0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:22.199
<v Speaker 2>to get way better. They gave up a ton of

0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:26.040
<v Speaker 2>huge plays to a Big twelve that didn't have a

0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:29.320
<v Speaker 2>ton of amazing quarterbacks. This wasn't, you know, the twenty

0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:34.080
<v Speaker 2>eight Big twelve. So I am somewhat confident if they're

0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:37.679
<v Speaker 2>a little bit healthier that just dumb luck will go

0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:39.960
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more their way. If you remember the

0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:44.479
<v Speaker 2>end of the Kansas game, they're going to turn. I

0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:47.480
<v Speaker 2>hope it's this season. I don't know, but again, the

0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:50.520
<v Speaker 2>Big twelve doesn't buy and large scare me a ton no,

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<v Speaker 2>So a team that's just above average, I think Texas

0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:56.119
<v Speaker 2>Tech can be a consistent Bowl team under Matt Wells.

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<v Speaker 2>I think baseline, so yeah, I feel pretty good about

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<v Speaker 2>the part of satisfactory trajectory for Red Raiders.

0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:05.240
<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about Nebraska.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I could see Nebraska starting seven and oh this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I'm recording that. I am, I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I could see them starting out of that.

0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Look at their schedule, their first seven tier. I could

0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:21.920
<v Speaker 1>see them going seven and oh and finishing seven and

0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:24.639
<v Speaker 1>five because the last five weeks of the season are brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think Nebraska is far off from consistent Bowl eligibility,

0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:33.920
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think they need any major changes, which

0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:35.040
<v Speaker 1>is which is good news.

0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:37.240
<v Speaker 2>They just need to be a little bit more cu well.

0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Using Nebraska can beat Cincinnati. I said they could be

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<v Speaker 2>seven and oh, Oh my gosh, I'm qualifying. I they're

0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:49.040
<v Speaker 2>beating the Jacks. They have San Diego State. They could

0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:50.880
<v Speaker 2>go seven and oh to start the year. Oh man,

0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:53.560
<v Speaker 2>they could start the year oh and not on three.

0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:55.760
<v Speaker 2>They have Central Michigan and improve Central Michigan.

0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Just work with me here, Dan, there's a global pandemic.

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<v Speaker 2>I think positively as likely as h and four.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. Okay, okay, I think Nebraska's in a

0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:13.240
<v Speaker 1>pretty good place. They need to be more consistent. I

0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:15.480
<v Speaker 1>do think that Scott Frost has done a good job

0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:19.400
<v Speaker 1>on the personnel front as well. Was a good recruiting class,

0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:21.399
<v Speaker 1>fourth in the Big Ten. They focused a lot on

0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:25.520
<v Speaker 1>what they need on defense, especially in the secondary. We

0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:27.680
<v Speaker 1>said for a long time the Big Ten West can

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<v Speaker 1>be had. Minnesota rose up a little bit last year,

0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:34.240
<v Speaker 1>a lot of bit last year and had a wonderful season. Yeah,

0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.160
<v Speaker 1>I would expect that they would be pretty good again.

0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:38.080
<v Speaker 1>But it seems like if you're gonna be on any

0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:39.720
<v Speaker 1>side of the Big Ten, the West is where you

0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:42.400
<v Speaker 1>want to be. If you're in a position like Nebraska

0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:45.159
<v Speaker 1>finds itself currently where you just need to sort of

0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:48.040
<v Speaker 1>get up into that next tier, you need to try

0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:51.320
<v Speaker 1>and do so with the path of least resistance. It's

0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:53.440
<v Speaker 1>certainly the easier side of the Big Ten.

0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but when you look at the actual Nebraska roster

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<v Speaker 2>and you look at the actual improvement or lack thereof

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:06.600
<v Speaker 2>of the defense and how beat up and even when

0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:09.800
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't crazy beat up, Adrian Martinez and his twenty

0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:14.680
<v Speaker 2>nineteen season were. And there's something I guess a little

0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:17.919
<v Speaker 2>bit encouraging about Luke McCaffrey, But that seems to be

0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:21.200
<v Speaker 2>more about his running ability than his throwing ability. They're

0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:25.400
<v Speaker 2>very thin at offensive skill made even thinner. JD. Spielman

0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:27.720
<v Speaker 2>has taken a leave of absence for the time being,

0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:31.200
<v Speaker 2>so it's unclear what his future is going to be

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:34.280
<v Speaker 2>if everything returns to normal in the college football world

0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:40.040
<v Speaker 2>and just the world in general. I really hope twenty

0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:44.440
<v Speaker 2>eighteen wasn't a matter of Scott Frost getting the best

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:47.600
<v Speaker 2>of Adrian Martinez and also surrounding him. I think it

0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:51.000
<v Speaker 2>was divine a zigbow in the backfield, one thousand yard rusher,

0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:55.399
<v Speaker 2>and then Stanley Morgan, a thousand yard receiver, inheriting enough

0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:59.000
<v Speaker 2>offensive skill talent to make it seem like there's patchwork

0:26:59.119 --> 0:27:03.240
<v Speaker 2>potential in Lincoln. The defense is what has me pretty

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:07.200
<v Speaker 2>troubled now. They got trounced against good teams last year.

0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 2>They had a hard time against the run, they really did.

0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:12.919
<v Speaker 2>They got drownced. And this is year three. This is

0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Scott Frost's team. Yeah, and all of that hope and

0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:21.800
<v Speaker 2>potential going into last year, and I know the injury

0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:27.640
<v Speaker 2>at quarterback everything like that, but I really like Wandale Robinson.

0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:32.679
<v Speaker 2>That's a proven factor for them on offense. But I

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:35.480
<v Speaker 2>just I didn't see a lot to make me think.

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:38.240
<v Speaker 2>And I you know, you have their schedule in front

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:41.760
<v Speaker 2>of you. I guess I do too. Now it's not horrible, No,

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:46.919
<v Speaker 2>but they finish the back half is after Rutgers on

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 2>the road, they stay on the road, and it's Ohio State,

0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:53.399
<v Speaker 2>Penn stayed at home, and then Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota. With

0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Iowa and Wisconsin both on the road in consecutive weeks, tough.

0:27:57.480 --> 0:27:59.639
<v Speaker 1>Back half of the schedule is pretty tough, That's what

0:27:59.640 --> 0:27:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying.

0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:03.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't have any confidence right now with how the

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 2>team is currently built and coached, and I just that

0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:12.919
<v Speaker 2>Nebraska is going to be anything more than slightly better.

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:15.200
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if that makes me think that

0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:16.760
<v Speaker 2>they're fully satisfactory.

0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:20.160
<v Speaker 1>All right, Dan, I thought we were thinking positively here,

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 1>but trusting too. I guess that's not what we're here for.

0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, I have, so we're gonna we're gonna think positively.

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:33.879
<v Speaker 2>I think there's a good distance. We're moving distance. Okay,

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:36.159
<v Speaker 2>thank you gotta prep me before you do that. No,

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:37.879
<v Speaker 2>you're just on your toes. I like it.

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:40.479
<v Speaker 1>So if Nebraska moves up, that means someone else got

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 1>to move up. In the next tier and satisfactory again

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 1>is pretty consistent bowl team. You go from satisfactory to striving,

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:54.880
<v Speaker 1>which is a division or conference contender team that's sort

0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 1>of top fifteen.

0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:59.080
<v Speaker 2>Ish, right, Yeah, absolutely.

0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Starting to get up into that rare.

0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:03.080
<v Speaker 2>Eight and four, nine and three somewhere in there. Yeah,

0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 2>maybe ten wins with the ball. Yeah.

0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 1>The first item on our list here, the first team

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:11.600
<v Speaker 1>on our list is Florida State. Florida State will no

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 1>doubt be a hot talking point as we enter the

0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:19.560
<v Speaker 1>fall again, assuming there's a season. Yeah, but of course

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:22.280
<v Speaker 1>made the coach and change going to Mike Norvell. The

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Lillie Taggart thing did not work, fired unceremoniously before the

0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 1>end of the season. Confirmed they were wildly inefficient on offense,

0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 1>They had quarterback issues, they were undisciplined. Honestly, I have

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:36.360
<v Speaker 1>no idea what the offense is going to look like.

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:38.880
<v Speaker 1>If James Blackman's a starter anyway, I have no idea

0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 1>what the offense looks like. We know they got to

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:43.720
<v Speaker 1>get better along the line, we know they have to

0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:46.200
<v Speaker 1>recruit better. It's just sort of like a full rebuild

0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 1>at Florida State. They're not starting from quite the same

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:54.320
<v Speaker 1>depths as a team like Arkansas obviously much much better

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 1>starting point there, a much easier conference than the ACC

0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 1>as well. But what is your level of confidence that

0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:04.960
<v Speaker 1>they can take that jump up? Let me say in

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 1>the next, well one year, so this year, this fall, Yeah,

0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:11.920
<v Speaker 1>they do it this fall. Can they get up to

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:13.720
<v Speaker 1>top fifteen ish in one year?

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:17.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. No, And that's a combination of

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 2>what the roster looks like right now. Me still having

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:23.360
<v Speaker 2>not a lot of confidence in quarterback and offensive line.

0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:26.600
<v Speaker 2>I have confidence in Mike Norvel and his staff getting

0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Florida State to competence just as a football program, which

0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:33.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the time they just weren't under Willie

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Taggart and that staff that previous regime. So I'm confident

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 2>that they can get back to that point, that competence point,

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 2>which we I think played a game around that on

0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 2>the twos cruise. I like the staff. I like you know,

0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:49.400
<v Speaker 2>they keep Odell Haggins and Ron Duggins on staff, which

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 2>I think is pretty wise for continuity's sake. They've been

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:56.200
<v Speaker 2>there forever. But no, there's nothing to me that says

0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 2>this is a big jump year. I think this is

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:00.880
<v Speaker 2>a big year zero year for interesting.

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>I think I agree with you. Curious to see again

0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 1>what the offense looks like under Mike Norville. West Virginia

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:13.280
<v Speaker 1>another team here. Now it's can we really count West

0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Virginia in the satisfactory category right now?

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 2>I think based on the totality of their last two

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 2>or three years, they look to be subpar for a

0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 2>lot of the season last year. But I don't think

0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:33.560
<v Speaker 2>when I when I think about the health of West Virginia,

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't look at them as like an Ole miss

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 2>or Arizona. Even with as bad as you know, year

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:40.360
<v Speaker 2>one under Nill Brown was I really like Neil Brown.

0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 1>We both do, and statistically they did get better as

0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 1>the season war on. So at a minimum, yeah, they

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:50.080
<v Speaker 1>were fighting in every game, the games were closer. Austin

0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Kendall though not the answer at quarterback.

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean he was. Austin Kendall was there. He

0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 2>was hurt all year essentially too.

0:31:57.160 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't feel very confident about West Virginia

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:00.000
<v Speaker 1>taking this jump.

0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm a little more confident. They got a little bit

0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:08.280
<v Speaker 2>out of youth. Sam James was nice at receiver at times.

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 2>The defense, I think it's gonna take a bit. They're

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:17.320
<v Speaker 2>replacing a chunk. I'm I don't feel great about it,

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 2>but I don't. Again, this is echoing what I said

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 2>earlier about the Big twelve. There's not a lot that

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:24.200
<v Speaker 2>scares me right now. The weird thing was that their

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 2>offense was as bad as it was. They finished the

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 2>year what beating Kansas State and TCU and being right

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 2>there against At least the defense was decent against Oklahoma

0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 2>State to finish out the year. So I at least

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 2>not that you know, finishing out the year with you know,

0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:43.680
<v Speaker 2>supposed momentum is anything that important, but they prevented big

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:46.800
<v Speaker 2>plays on defense. There's something at least to build on there.

0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 2>For West Virginia. I think they're going to improve, and

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:55.600
<v Speaker 2>maybe they'll improve to only solidly satisfactory if they're sort

0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:58.840
<v Speaker 2>of in that satisfactory subpar gray area. So I think

0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:00.840
<v Speaker 2>there will be They will be solid lea a Bowl team,

0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 2>and they just won't be as hopefully disgusting on offense

0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:06.760
<v Speaker 2>at times.

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Col.

0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Col's interesting. They need Chase Garber's to not get hurt.

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 2>They need yep a week a week Pac twelve to

0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 2>jump up to that level. I don't think it's probable.

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:25.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they can get Evan Weaver back for

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:29.000
<v Speaker 2>another year. That would help. But Justin Willcox is pretty

0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:32.520
<v Speaker 2>good as a defensive mind. They've been pretty good defensively

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 2>under him, so I've been really good defensively.

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I again, I I'm not confident they can get

0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:42.000
<v Speaker 1>quite that high. But I always feel like I'm a

0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:43.720
<v Speaker 1>little higher on col at the start of a year

0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 1>than you.

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Ty. I have breaking news. Yes, we have no idea

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:56.880
<v Speaker 2>what the PAC twelve North is gonna lie in the fall.

0:33:57.400 --> 0:34:00.160
<v Speaker 2>If you run through the division. Washington has a new

0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 2>coach and QB is TBD. They should have a good defense.

0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Washington State has a new coach, QB TBD. We don't

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:08.960
<v Speaker 2>know what they're gonna look like. We know Nick Rolovich's system,

0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:10.560
<v Speaker 2>but we don't know Washington State is going to look

0:34:10.600 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 2>like Oregon new quarterback, new offensive coordinator, new offensive line.

0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:16.880
<v Speaker 2>We have no idea what that offense is going to

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:20.400
<v Speaker 2>look like. Oregon State new quarterback certainly seems to be

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:24.439
<v Speaker 2>moving in the right direction. It's Tristan Jebia presumably taking over,

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:26.440
<v Speaker 2>but again, we have no idea. They've done really well

0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 2>in the transfer market. Stanford Davis Mills kJ Costello is gone.

0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 2>They took a huge step back last year. We have

0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:36.120
<v Speaker 2>no idea. You look at Cal. They make a change

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:38.360
<v Speaker 2>at offensive coordinator with Bo Baldwin leaving. They bring in

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Bill Muskraveh has been in the NFL forever and played

0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 2>at Oregon. I don't think they have dudes on offense,

0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 2>but everybody they did have who was good enough when

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Chase Garber's was healthy, is back, and right now that

0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:57.919
<v Speaker 2>sort of solid ground feels promising. I don't know about

0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:02.000
<v Speaker 2>fully striving to win the no, but with how good

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:04.040
<v Speaker 2>they've been on defense, and yes they lose their safeties

0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:07.920
<v Speaker 2>in Evan Weaver, I think Cal's in a really nice position.

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:10.319
<v Speaker 1>I like Kel.

0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 2>I think they're starting. I don't want to talk about

0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:14.960
<v Speaker 2>reluctantly crouched at their starting line is a good spot.

0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Reluctantly crouched at the starting line.

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Thank you again. You gotta warn me so I'm I'm ready.

0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 2>You're just you're good at You're a pro.

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:24.200
<v Speaker 1>I also think Tennessee's in a pretty good spot to

0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 1>jump tiers.

0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Have you looked at Tennessee schedule?

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 1>That was gonna be my next That was amazing. That

0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:35.360
<v Speaker 1>was gonna be my next comment. They do have Oklahoma, Florida, Alabama,

0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:39.480
<v Speaker 1>and Georgia this year, Okay, which is difficult, Dan.

0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:42.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, it definitely is. But in terms of what

0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:45.880
<v Speaker 2>it could be, they always have Alabama in the Cross Division.

0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:49.840
<v Speaker 2>But who else do they have from the West? Yeah,

0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 2>it ain't bad, Dan there what are their SEC road games?

0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:54.920
<v Speaker 2>And this is not a Tennessee preview, but this is

0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:59.480
<v Speaker 2>just an evaluation of cake tears in Tennessee. Okay to

0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:03.680
<v Speaker 2>s road games? Are South Carolina a down team, We'll

0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:06.279
<v Speaker 2>see if they can bounce back, Arkansas a down team.

0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:08.399
<v Speaker 2>We'll see if they can bounce back. Georgia. Yeah, it's

0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:11.440
<v Speaker 2>gonna be tough, but we don't know what to expect

0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:14.720
<v Speaker 2>from Jamie Newman, I guess at quarterback and Vanderbilt. No,

0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Tennessee's schedule is awesome. Now Charlotte's bowl team and they

0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 2>made moves in twenty nineteen. The Paladins of Furman always dangerous, tie,

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:32.000
<v Speaker 2>but otherwise to get Florida missoo with a new coach, Alabama, Kentucky,

0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Troy all at home, the experience they returned Juwan Jennings

0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:40.239
<v Speaker 2>obviously gone at receiver, but getting Tray Smith back. On

0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:43.080
<v Speaker 2>the offensive line, they lose a chunk, but they've recruited

0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:47.200
<v Speaker 2>well on defense. I'm not going to fully dive into

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 2>the Tennessee pool of hype. I am just saying the

0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:56.920
<v Speaker 2>pen in which we are baking this cake tie is sturdy.

0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I feel pretty good about Tennessee. Okay, I feel

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:03.399
<v Speaker 1>pretty good about their situation. They played hard last year.

0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I feel great about this situation.

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think it's there. I think it's there. I

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 1>want to talk about k State though. So K State

0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:12.719
<v Speaker 1>was an interesting story last year, not only because they

0:37:12.800 --> 0:37:16.920
<v Speaker 1>beat Oklahoma right that was obviously a big deal, but

0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 1>got the new football coach. It was meaningful for us

0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:24.880
<v Speaker 1>because Chris Climbing came down from North Dakota State. Remember

0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:26.960
<v Speaker 1>we went to go see a game up at North

0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Dakota State in the frigid temperatures of Fargo, North Dakota

0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:34.120
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the twenty eighteen calendar year. So

0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:37.719
<v Speaker 1>when Chris Climbing came down to work with an athletic

0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:41.360
<v Speaker 1>director that he had known from North Dakota State, it

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:43.440
<v Speaker 1>was interesting to us. Chris Climbs had a ton of

0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:47.520
<v Speaker 1>success as a Chris climb had a ton of success

0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:50.560
<v Speaker 1>at North Dakota State. Could he build a similar program

0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 1>at K State?

0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:56.080
<v Speaker 2>Ky State kind of packed it in after they beat Oklahoma,

0:37:56.719 --> 0:37:57.560
<v Speaker 2>kind of packed it in.

0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:02.280
<v Speaker 1>They were scrappy and fundamentally pretty good. Kind of packed

0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 1>it in after Oklahoma. I think it goes without saying

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 1>that they need a lot more explosion on offense, but

0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:16.319
<v Speaker 1>top fifteen ish consistently that feels like a bridge too

0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:19.759
<v Speaker 1>far for me, at least for now. I like Chris

0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Kleiman is still working in his guys and still working

0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:28.759
<v Speaker 1>with guys from the previous regime. They finished eighth in

0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Big twelve recruiting, but they signed a bunch of three stars,

0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:35.160
<v Speaker 1>and I think the plan, as I understand it, is

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:41.840
<v Speaker 1>to try and mold those three stars into higher level performers.

0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 1>It's not quite the same situation as North Dakota State,

0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:48.840
<v Speaker 1>where he sort of got the best of the best

0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:52.440
<v Speaker 1>talent from the upper planes, kids that maybe were like

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:55.319
<v Speaker 1>tweeeners and could have gone and played D one or

0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:57.839
<v Speaker 1>could have gone and played FBS, but decided to go

0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 1>SCS instead. Like he was able to successfully recruit those kids,

0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:04.920
<v Speaker 1>and over time he built up a really successful program

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:06.719
<v Speaker 1>that had a lot more talent than most of the

0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 1>other teams they played. That's not gonna be the situation here.

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:13.799
<v Speaker 1>If it's gonna thrive in Manhattan, Kansas, it's gonna thrive

0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:17.360
<v Speaker 1>because you can turn a number of those three stars

0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:20.200
<v Speaker 1>into four star talents on the college football field.

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Kansas State seems like a situational success story when

0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 2>certain powers are down. It's really good that Kansas State

0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:32.920
<v Speaker 2>can be good, and they took advantage. They were at

0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 2>their best. I think what twenty eleven and twenty twelve

0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:38.160
<v Speaker 2>junior and senior years of Colin Kline. You look at

0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:40.480
<v Speaker 2>that twenty twelve team, I think they scored fifty points

0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:45.400
<v Speaker 2>like seven times, which seems a crazy long time ago.

0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 2>So I think the twenty twelve Big Twelve was a

0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:50.840
<v Speaker 2>little bit better at the top. But twenty eleven was

0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:52.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of a mess for the conference. That was the

0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:54.040
<v Speaker 2>last season if you remember of A and M and

0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:56.680
<v Speaker 2>mis Zoo in the Big Twelve. So just a lot

0:39:56.680 --> 0:39:58.920
<v Speaker 2>of changes in upheople there, and Kansas State was just

0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:01.360
<v Speaker 2>a good team and took it advantage. I'm not a

0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:04.840
<v Speaker 2>big believer in Skyler Thompson. I think he can be fine,

0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:09.240
<v Speaker 2>but the year one offense, there's a lot of questions

0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:11.759
<v Speaker 2>at receiver. I don't see a lot of pop from

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:14.520
<v Speaker 2>this Kansas State team, and I think they need that

0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:17.759
<v Speaker 2>pop in the conference still, even with the dynamic of

0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:21.680
<v Speaker 2>Baylor winning with defense and you know, just a lot

0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:24.760
<v Speaker 2>of changes. You know, West Virginia takes just a giant

0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:28.400
<v Speaker 2>slide down on offense. TCU looks completely lost on offense.

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:31.359
<v Speaker 2>You know, you don't know what you're gonna get from

0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Texas week to week. Kansas State, I guess they have

0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 2>an opportunity to make a move, but I'm not a

0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:39.880
<v Speaker 2>big believer in their current talent level on offense to

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 2>give me any sort of pop. Although their quarterback coach

0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:46.280
<v Speaker 2>is Colin Klein, so maybe there's some of that DNA

0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:51.360
<v Speaker 2>or something. But right now, I think Kansas State is

0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:55.720
<v Speaker 2>sort of in that what do we say, it's satisfactory

0:40:55.760 --> 0:41:00.279
<v Speaker 2>to striving. I think they're status tithing. I think they're

0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:03.279
<v Speaker 2>just in that purgatory right now, and I don't see

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:06.759
<v Speaker 2>the pop to really get them there unless there is

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:09.600
<v Speaker 2>there are unforeseen disasters around them in the conference.

0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:13.800
<v Speaker 1>All right, two more tiers here, Yes, striving to super

0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:20.000
<v Speaker 1>So this is again top fifteen ish conference contender, ish

0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:25.640
<v Speaker 1>to playoff mainstay, or at least in the conversation.

0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, it's late November and we're talking about different

0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:33.880
<v Speaker 2>levers and pulleys to get them in their machinations. Whatever.

0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:38.439
<v Speaker 1>We've got Michigan and Auburn in here, but I've got

0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:41.280
<v Speaker 1>Oregon boulded because I want to hear what your thoughts

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:46.120
<v Speaker 1>are on the Oregon Ducks where they're at now as

0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:48.600
<v Speaker 1>they enter the twenty twenty seas and Mario Crystal Balls

0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:52.760
<v Speaker 1>had some time in Eugene to kind of implement his system.

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Of course, they lose Justin Herbert, Yeah, which is going

0:41:57.239 --> 0:41:59.799
<v Speaker 1>to leave a mark. They're starting a rare quarterback. But

0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:05.120
<v Speaker 1>what is the status of that Oregon program and how

0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 1>likely do you feel a jump is anytime soon?

0:42:09.200 --> 0:42:11.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, we're going to see them against Ohio State in

0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Week two, so we'll have a decent enough sense of

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:18.080
<v Speaker 2>what I assume. Tyler Schuck will be the starting quarterback.

0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:20.520
<v Speaker 2>He's been there a couple of years. Everybody's getting used

0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:23.840
<v Speaker 2>to the new Joe moorehead offense, so that feels like

0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:26.160
<v Speaker 2>the quarterbacks are sort of on an even playing field.

0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:30.399
<v Speaker 2>But he seems to be the answer. I'm concerned about

0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:33.320
<v Speaker 2>the offensive line, but not crazy concern because they've recruited

0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:36.200
<v Speaker 2>well there and given Mario Christo Ball's own background there,

0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:39.759
<v Speaker 2>I think they should be good upfront, just not incredible,

0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:42.799
<v Speaker 2>which is where they were this past season. They're going

0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:45.760
<v Speaker 2>to be led by their defense. They return essentially everybody

0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:50.640
<v Speaker 2>important on defense, and their schedule is pretty incredible. I

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:54.239
<v Speaker 2>know they start with two incredible programs, North Dakota State

0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:58.120
<v Speaker 2>and Ohio State, but both in autsin and then you

0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:01.320
<v Speaker 2>look at their road slate with in the conference cal

0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Arizona Wazoo, and it is never easy to go to Wazoo,

0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:08.839
<v Speaker 2>even with the first year coach in Oregon State, and

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:12.680
<v Speaker 2>it's a very strange ending. All they have to do

0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:15.719
<v Speaker 2>is be above average and creative on offense, and I

0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:17.640
<v Speaker 2>still am not in love with the skill level on

0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:22.040
<v Speaker 2>offense though we'll see what Tyler shuck. Because the defense

0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:24.560
<v Speaker 2>is going to be incredible tie the event is going

0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:29.279
<v Speaker 2>to be amazing. So in terms of their distance to super.

0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Which by the way, which by the way, is not

0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 1>something over the last ten years we've gotten used to

0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:35.400
<v Speaker 1>saying about Oregon.

0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:38.839
<v Speaker 2>No the twenty twelve, twenty thirteen that was a really

0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:41.160
<v Speaker 2>nice stretch for Oregon's defense, but I don't think on

0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:43.719
<v Speaker 2>the level of what it can be given where they've recruited,

0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:47.919
<v Speaker 2>bringing in two five star linebackers this year, I'm going

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:51.440
<v Speaker 2>to say they have closed the distance. They have closed

0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:55.880
<v Speaker 2>the distance, and it's thank you both because of how

0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:59.640
<v Speaker 2>they've recruited and because of I mean, who's the threat

0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:01.919
<v Speaker 2>in the pack twelve right now? Who is keeping them

0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:05.319
<v Speaker 2>from that conversation? They have Ohio State and North Dakota State,

0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:09.200
<v Speaker 2>and surely it's true, but I don't with that schedule.

0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:12.719
<v Speaker 2>With what I think people should be encouraged by Joe

0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 2>Moorehead and what he was able to do as a

0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:18.600
<v Speaker 2>coordinator at Penn State, I think they've really closed that

0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:23.279
<v Speaker 2>gap Michigan and Auburn. Auburn I'm I feel pretty good

0:44:23.320 --> 0:44:25.320
<v Speaker 2>about because we talked about the changes in the SEC

0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:29.279
<v Speaker 2>West and they've been a top tenish recruiting program these

0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:32.879
<v Speaker 2>past few years. I don't know how great I feel

0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:36.279
<v Speaker 2>about bo Nicks, but I think similar to Oregon, I

0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:41.719
<v Speaker 2>like Chad Morris as a coordinator, I and the continuity

0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:44.800
<v Speaker 2>on defense feels right. They were basically the team to

0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:49.399
<v Speaker 2>figure out LSU's offense in twenty nineteen Michigan. I think

0:44:49.480 --> 0:44:57.000
<v Speaker 2>they're just firmly entrenched as striving. Okay, and that's I

0:44:57.040 --> 0:44:58.840
<v Speaker 2>think largely because of quarterback.

0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:05.279
<v Speaker 1>Right now, if Oregon goes up to that super tier,

0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:08.520
<v Speaker 1>mm hmm. Let's go negative for a second here, and

0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:10.640
<v Speaker 1>let's say one of them, one of these six teams

0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:19.600
<v Speaker 1>has to be relegated LSU, Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson

0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:24.080
<v Speaker 1>or Oklahoma. So a common thread among four of these

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:27.880
<v Speaker 1>teams that they lose their starting quarterback LSU, Alabama, Georgia,

0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:31.839
<v Speaker 1>and Oklahoma going to be starting over a quarterback in

0:45:31.880 --> 0:45:36.799
<v Speaker 1>some sense. Alabama they also lost Scott Cochran strength coach

0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:39.080
<v Speaker 1>talked about that a couple of weeks ago. M HM,

0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:43.160
<v Speaker 1>Ohio State and Clemson to me are the two intriguing

0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:46.160
<v Speaker 1>ones here because I don't I don't know how to

0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:50.360
<v Speaker 1>answer the question. We have mused for a while that

0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 1>if something like Brent ve Venables were to leave at

0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:58.640
<v Speaker 1>some point, that maybe that would be the catalysts to

0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:02.440
<v Speaker 1>take them down a peg. Recruits been so strong, so strong,

0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:05.200
<v Speaker 1>that it's hard to believe it would just trail off.

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:08.960
<v Speaker 1>But that's at least something you can identify that would

0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:12.600
<v Speaker 1>have a real impact. But the one that I actually

0:46:12.600 --> 0:46:14.600
<v Speaker 1>have a harder time trying to figure out is Ohio State,

0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:17.600
<v Speaker 1>because if it was going to happen, it would have

0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:21.000
<v Speaker 1>happened last year amid the coaching change from Erbi Meyer

0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:24.600
<v Speaker 1>to Ryan Day. But now alas here we are. Ohio

0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:28.920
<v Speaker 1>State was very, very good last year, is the answer.

0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Injuries is the answer. Justin Field's going pro after next year? Like,

0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:39.319
<v Speaker 1>how do you even come up with a situation in

0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:41.880
<v Speaker 1>which Ohio State would not be part of the conversation

0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:43.600
<v Speaker 1>in the foreseeable future.

0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:48.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a good answer. I think Ohio State,

0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:52.000
<v Speaker 2>of all these teams, is probably best positioned. There are

0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:54.880
<v Speaker 2>a couple of reasons why I could see them losing

0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:58.239
<v Speaker 2>out on playoffs or going down to simply a ten

0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:00.880
<v Speaker 2>win team every year. And they got a taste of

0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:03.319
<v Speaker 2>the NFL coaching with Chip Kelly, and I think what

0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:07.080
<v Speaker 2>Philly and San Francisco. Sometimes, when you win a ton

0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:09.840
<v Speaker 2>on a certain level, you want to see what you

0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:11.879
<v Speaker 2>can prove on the next I'm not going to say

0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:14.160
<v Speaker 2>Ryan Day's an NFL guy, but he's from New Hampshire.

0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:20.239
<v Speaker 2>He didn't grow up in a college football hotbed. Maybe

0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:22.720
<v Speaker 2>he wants more of the NFL, and maybe they screw

0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:24.480
<v Speaker 2>up a transition to a new head coach in a

0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:27.080
<v Speaker 2>couple of years or something like that. Maybe it's they

0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:31.280
<v Speaker 2>just revert to the excellent but have one weird weak

0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:36.839
<v Speaker 2>Urban Meyer level Purdue Iowa whatever, and that keeps them out.

0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:39.839
<v Speaker 2>But that's still like an eleven and one t So

0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:42.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a good answer for Ohio State Oklahoma,

0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:46.719
<v Speaker 2>it's their defense. And maybe Lincoln Riley it seems his

0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:49.400
<v Speaker 2>name seems to come up, which doesn't always feel like

0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:51.399
<v Speaker 2>an accident. Coaches who are just like I have no

0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:55.360
<v Speaker 2>interest in the NFL, their names come up less. Georgia

0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:59.160
<v Speaker 2>is hard to see, but I understand Florida's emergence in

0:47:59.200 --> 0:48:02.879
<v Speaker 2>the SEC could make things complicated for Georgia getting back

0:48:02.920 --> 0:48:07.000
<v Speaker 2>to the SEC title game consistently. And they've kind of

0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:10.279
<v Speaker 2>messed up at quarterback, and we'll see what Jamie Newman

0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:13.319
<v Speaker 2>does for them. But I like the Todd munkin Higher Alabama.

0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:17.440
<v Speaker 2>There's no flaw immediate flaw to me, especially with a

0:48:17.440 --> 0:48:22.120
<v Speaker 2>little bit more continuity with songs. Staying LSU is interesting.

0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:25.080
<v Speaker 2>They've been in this conversation for a number of years.

0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:28.319
<v Speaker 2>They only really made the move in twenty nineteen, and

0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:30.960
<v Speaker 2>so it's a matter of these other schools have done

0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:36.200
<v Speaker 2>it more often recently, whereas LSU maybe they're just a

0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:38.400
<v Speaker 2>bright shooting star in twenty nineteen and then they go

0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:41.400
<v Speaker 2>back to being a ten and twoish team moving forward,

0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:43.920
<v Speaker 2>because I don't know how much confidence there is right

0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:49.920
<v Speaker 2>now at quarterback and that they can continue what they

0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:53.600
<v Speaker 2>started under Joe Burrow and Joe Brady. So to me,

0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:59.640
<v Speaker 2>the interesting one though, might be Clemson. Okay, reluctantly crouched.

0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:04.120
<v Speaker 2>I just loved the beginning of that song, the starting line.

0:49:04.719 --> 0:49:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Do you have a picture in your head? You mentioned

0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Brent Venables leaving. I think they've reached the point where,

0:49:12.200 --> 0:49:16.040
<v Speaker 2>even if Venables were to leave, that they've reached Alabama

0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:20.480
<v Speaker 2>like status of they'll have their pick of basically any

0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:25.279
<v Speaker 2>defensive coordinator who wants to coach exclusively three deep blue

0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:27.640
<v Speaker 2>chip talent against a weak conference.

0:49:27.520 --> 0:49:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Right right right.

0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:33.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it is unless it's what happened

0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:36.359
<v Speaker 2>in Syracuse a couple of years ago or three years

0:49:36.400 --> 0:49:39.200
<v Speaker 2>ago now, where it's just quarterback injury and it's weird

0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:41.960
<v Speaker 2>situation where they'd take an early game lightly. You have

0:49:42.000 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 2>the North Carolina game. This past year. We've seen the

0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:46.680
<v Speaker 2>near loss and I think it was an overtime game

0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:50.200
<v Speaker 2>against NC State or the pit game, But that's one game.

0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:54.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't see them falling to a nine to three

0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:58.000
<v Speaker 2>ten and two program anytime soon because of the talent level.

0:49:58.560 --> 0:50:02.640
<v Speaker 2>But it is it is strange where if Florida State

0:50:02.680 --> 0:50:06.920
<v Speaker 2>gets good, if Louisville gets pretty good and they beat Clemson,

0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:09.800
<v Speaker 2>that could be it for Clemson's chances to get to

0:50:09.880 --> 0:50:12.479
<v Speaker 2>the conference championship game. So you have like a weird

0:50:12.520 --> 0:50:15.839
<v Speaker 2>at eleven in one, yeah, I mean it's been out

0:50:15.840 --> 0:50:17.720
<v Speaker 2>of the playoff, yeah, So I think.

0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:21.800
<v Speaker 1>It's more likely that if there is any kind of slide,

0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:24.640
<v Speaker 1>it comes from the inside as opposed to the outside.

0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:27.680
<v Speaker 1>It's going to take a while till Florida State or

0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:30.120
<v Speaker 1>Louisville or any of those teams can catch up to Clemson.

0:50:30.320 --> 0:50:32.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, even if they beat them with a stroke

0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:36.880
<v Speaker 1>of good luck on some given Saturday, like, they're still

0:50:36.920 --> 0:50:40.359
<v Speaker 1>not going to consistently be on that level. I think

0:50:40.400 --> 0:50:43.359
<v Speaker 1>it's more likely. And I remember I was on Larry

0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:48.279
<v Speaker 1>Williams show YEP noted Clemson writer Larry Williams, and he's

0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:50.640
<v Speaker 1>been on our show as well. Yeah, and this is

0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:52.800
<v Speaker 1>a question that I've discussed with him, like what would

0:50:52.840 --> 0:50:58.319
<v Speaker 1>it take to essentially slide back a teer? And his

0:50:58.440 --> 0:51:02.400
<v Speaker 1>answer was it's it's probably not a talent thing, and

0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:05.000
<v Speaker 1>it's probably not an injury thing because there's so much talent.

0:51:05.239 --> 0:51:08.400
<v Speaker 1>If anything, it would be coaching, It would be coaches

0:51:08.480 --> 0:51:12.440
<v Speaker 1>leaving a mass to go elsewhere, upsetting the chemistry that

0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:17.759
<v Speaker 1>Dablosweeney has built as an organization as a program. But

0:51:17.840 --> 0:51:21.120
<v Speaker 1>it does not seem likely anytime soon. And you know,

0:51:21.160 --> 0:51:23.279
<v Speaker 1>I hate to even talk about it in these hypotheticals

0:51:23.280 --> 0:51:25.040
<v Speaker 1>because I'm trying to keep it positive today, as you know,

0:51:25.320 --> 0:51:29.040
<v Speaker 1>right of course. But I guess if it's going to happen,

0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:33.000
<v Speaker 1>it would be some sort of turnover among the coaching staff,

0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:36.440
<v Speaker 1>and I guess a lack of chemistry, a breakdown in

0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:37.359
<v Speaker 1>culture of some sort.

0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:40.800
<v Speaker 2>There are, depending on your view, there are three and

0:51:40.840 --> 0:51:42.080
<v Speaker 2>a half to four and a half teams in the

0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:47.719
<v Speaker 2>ACC who have been pretty down during this incredible run

0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:52.920
<v Speaker 2>from Clemson, Louisville, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Miami, North Carolina.

0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:55.959
<v Speaker 2>So I think that adds up to like four point

0:51:56.040 --> 0:51:59.960
<v Speaker 2>one dangerous teams at different times depending on the day

0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:04.680
<v Speaker 2>in the quarterback. That that's intriguing to me. Not that

0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:09.280
<v Speaker 2>they're going to be able to beat Clemson, all things

0:52:09.320 --> 0:52:12.680
<v Speaker 2>being equal, but if Clemson has a weird scheduling quirk

0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:16.200
<v Speaker 2>with short week on the road at Syracuse, at North Carolina, whatever,

0:52:16.560 --> 0:52:22.920
<v Speaker 2>against a decent quarterback, we've seen that takedown clearly superior teams.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it is all circumstance. I really really with you.

0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:30.040
<v Speaker 2>I think it's circumstance within the conference more than it

0:52:30.080 --> 0:52:30.800
<v Speaker 2>is internal.

0:52:31.200 --> 0:52:33.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I understand it. I just.

0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:38.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know everybody finds a Michael Cunningham.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well those are our tiers. Our cake, our

0:52:42.880 --> 0:52:47.640
<v Speaker 1>college football cake has been so baked here now on

0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:50.520
<v Speaker 1>the show, we've gone from sad to subpart A satisfactory,

0:52:50.560 --> 0:52:53.799
<v Speaker 1>just driving to super and back down to striving. Hypothetically, Dan,

0:52:54.200 --> 0:52:56.759
<v Speaker 1>can we get back to the saccer and suite, the

0:52:56.840 --> 0:52:57.760
<v Speaker 1>saccer and sweet?

0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Actually, before we actually talk about Cake, do you

0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:03.840
<v Speaker 2>like Cake? The band?

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<v Speaker 1>They're Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you thought about them recently?

0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:09.400
<v Speaker 1>I thought about them because I saw the Google doc Okay,

0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:11.600
<v Speaker 1>and you know, going the distance, and.

0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Have you about them in the last three to five years?

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<v Speaker 1>Not for any prolonged period of time. I remember hearing

0:53:20.440 --> 0:53:24.880
<v Speaker 1>the Distance on my satellite radio, okay, maybe like a

0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:26.400
<v Speaker 1>year or two ago, and I was like, all right,

0:53:26.440 --> 0:53:29.480
<v Speaker 1>I remember this song, but no, I don't pay too

0:53:29.560 --> 0:53:30.560
<v Speaker 1>much attention to Cake.

0:53:31.880 --> 0:53:35.360
<v Speaker 2>They had the opening song and Forgetting Sarah Marshall, another

0:53:35.400 --> 0:53:38.840
<v Speaker 2>ass Sarah Marshall, and I saw them in the theaters

0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:42.880
<v Speaker 2>and that song was great over some sort of Dolby

0:53:42.960 --> 0:53:45.759
<v Speaker 2>sound system. I think it's my favorite Cake song. Love

0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:49.120
<v Speaker 2>You Matt, love You Madly. That is probably my favorite

0:53:49.120 --> 0:53:54.200
<v Speaker 2>Cake song. I like the trumpet, I like the singer's voice.

0:53:55.000 --> 0:53:58.200
<v Speaker 2>I like at least let Me Go is another good one.

0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:01.560
<v Speaker 2>Short skirt, long jacket. They do enough for me where

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<v Speaker 2>if I listen back to Cake, I think that's different

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<v Speaker 2>enough that I respect the success they carved out for

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<v Speaker 2>themselves themselves.

0:54:10.280 --> 0:54:11.680
<v Speaker 1>I want to get to I want to I want

0:54:11.680 --> 0:54:13.680
<v Speaker 1>to talk about actual Cake though real quick. Here, just

0:54:13.719 --> 0:54:15.880
<v Speaker 1>to close out the show again, Solid verbal at gmail

0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:17.960
<v Speaker 1>dot com. If you have anything you'd like to get

0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:19.920
<v Speaker 1>off your chest, have anything you'd like to get off

0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:22.440
<v Speaker 1>your chest, you can always feel free to drop us

0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:25.640
<v Speaker 1>long and we read all the emails. We had a

0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:30.520
<v Speaker 1>rather spirited discussion, did we not. We did super secret

0:54:30.520 --> 0:54:33.160
<v Speaker 1>g chat this week putting this show together. We had

0:54:33.280 --> 0:54:39.520
<v Speaker 1>a rather spirited conversation about cakes. You, Dan Rubinstein, think

0:54:39.560 --> 0:54:42.680
<v Speaker 1>that a lasagna is a cake. I said, a lasagna

0:54:42.800 --> 0:54:46.520
<v Speaker 1>is a savory cake. You said, it's a cake, a

0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:51.279
<v Speaker 1>savory cake. Yeah, you still said it's a cake. Yeah,

0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:54.120
<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a cake cousin. It's the savory cousin

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<v Speaker 1>that lives in the big city. Lives in the big city.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, think about it. So cake, I mean you cook

0:55:04.560 --> 0:55:07.680
<v Speaker 2>them in the oven. That does not mean it is

0:55:07.719 --> 0:55:13.800
<v Speaker 2>a cake. It has layer doey layers, right, filling between

0:55:13.800 --> 0:55:19.480
<v Speaker 2>the layers. Okay, it is topped with something different and

0:55:19.680 --> 0:55:22.920
<v Speaker 2>that gives it a unique texture, frosting and cheese. But

0:55:23.040 --> 0:55:26.120
<v Speaker 2>it's not a dessert, Dan, I said, it's a savor cake,

0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:28.440
<v Speaker 2>just like a chicken pot pie is not a dessert.

0:55:30.360 --> 0:55:36.960
<v Speaker 1>There's a separate species of items cooked like cakes that

0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:39.920
<v Speaker 1>are just dinner items and do not fall under the

0:55:40.000 --> 0:55:40.959
<v Speaker 1>cake specification.

0:55:42.600 --> 0:55:47.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying, and it's not the same species. But

0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:50.520
<v Speaker 2>you look up the phylum, you look up the genus, okay,

0:55:50.520 --> 0:55:54.080
<v Speaker 2>and it's Cacus italianis.

0:55:53.040 --> 0:55:56.040
<v Speaker 1>So this is like both hawks and ducks are birds,

0:55:56.080 --> 0:55:57.960
<v Speaker 1>even though they're very different.

0:55:58.000 --> 0:56:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Totally Okay, yeah, this is it's a cousin. It's a

0:56:01.040 --> 0:56:05.399
<v Speaker 2>distant cousin. But in terms of construction and how you

0:56:05.440 --> 0:56:07.840
<v Speaker 2>eat it and what it looks like coming out of

0:56:07.880 --> 0:56:13.120
<v Speaker 2>the oven, I think there is the general blueprint is

0:56:13.160 --> 0:56:16.440
<v Speaker 2>there for each being distant cousins? I think alasagna is

0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:17.160
<v Speaker 2>a savory cake.

0:56:17.239 --> 0:56:20.080
<v Speaker 1>This is the Italian food version of asking if a

0:56:20.080 --> 0:56:23.040
<v Speaker 1>hot dog is a sandwich, or if cereal is soup?

0:56:23.280 --> 0:56:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Cereal is soup? Right, exactly right.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna I'm gonna stand by it. Lasagna is savory cake.

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<v Speaker 1>No disagree?

0:56:30.200 --> 0:56:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Hard Are you a cake person?

0:56:33.320 --> 0:56:33.879
<v Speaker 1>I like cake?

0:56:35.160 --> 0:56:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Do you? I'm not gonna go cake versus pie. They're

0:56:37.960 --> 0:56:41.960
<v Speaker 2>two different foods pie. Are you? I know you're a

0:56:41.960 --> 0:56:45.200
<v Speaker 2>pumpkin pie person. Are you generally excited? I don't work

0:56:45.239 --> 0:56:48.560
<v Speaker 2>in an office the way you do. And again, your

0:56:48.719 --> 0:56:53.480
<v Speaker 2>spans many continents, sure, known and on. Are you excited

0:56:53.520 --> 0:56:57.160
<v Speaker 2>when it's somebody's birthday? Like there's cake in the breakroom? Ummm?

0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:01.160
<v Speaker 2>And when you go in there have a slice? Are

0:57:01.200 --> 0:57:04.000
<v Speaker 2>you happy that you did it? I'm never happy that

0:57:04.040 --> 0:57:04.440
<v Speaker 2>I did it?

0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:08.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm never happy that I did it, because you always

0:57:08.040 --> 0:57:11.800
<v Speaker 1>get that two pm sugar crash, right or three pm

0:57:11.880 --> 0:57:15.399
<v Speaker 1>sugar crash where that's when you regret it and it's

0:57:15.400 --> 0:57:17.000
<v Speaker 1>a bit of a struggle to make it through to

0:57:17.040 --> 0:57:17.680
<v Speaker 1>the end of the day.

0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:20.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's just like, yeah, that slice was exactly like

0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:22.960
<v Speaker 2>every other slice I've had in this situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Give me, I'm a place of music. Give me your

0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:30.640
<v Speaker 1>top five cakes to close out the show. Oh, thank you,

0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:32.160
<v Speaker 1>a little music for you. Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was thinking about it, and I thought, I'm

0:57:34.480 --> 0:57:36.240
<v Speaker 2>not a cake person, and then I realized I'm just

0:57:36.240 --> 0:57:40.360
<v Speaker 2>not a birthday cake person. My number five like a

0:57:40.360 --> 0:57:44.120
<v Speaker 2>good upside down cake, orange pineapple. I'm big on citrus.

0:57:44.160 --> 0:57:48.400
<v Speaker 2>I love citrus. Number four a pound cake. Most of

0:57:48.440 --> 0:57:51.160
<v Speaker 2>my pound cake experience is limited to entemens, but damn

0:57:51.200 --> 0:57:56.080
<v Speaker 2>does entimates make a pound cake. Number three? Any lava

0:57:56.160 --> 0:57:58.960
<v Speaker 2>cake will do. Okay, something that I am taking a

0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:02.520
<v Speaker 2>spoon to that's hot and I'm breaking it open, and

0:58:02.680 --> 0:58:03.880
<v Speaker 2>something runneth over.

0:58:04.080 --> 0:58:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:58:04.640 --> 0:58:07.960
<v Speaker 2>I love a good lava cake. Number two. Any kind

0:58:08.000 --> 0:58:11.959
<v Speaker 2>of coffee cake. There's a crumble factor, there's a really

0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:14.640
<v Speaker 2>nice flavor factor, and coffee cake is just doesn't have

0:58:14.640 --> 0:58:17.360
<v Speaker 2>to be coffee flavor, but cinnamon factor. Love that my

0:58:17.480 --> 0:58:20.240
<v Speaker 2>number one cake is probably and this goes back to

0:58:20.280 --> 0:58:23.800
<v Speaker 2>my love of citrus. I think a lemon cake I

0:58:23.800 --> 0:58:25.960
<v Speaker 2>don't want. I don't want. I don't want frosting on

0:58:26.040 --> 0:58:28.480
<v Speaker 2>any of these. Lemon cake can have a little bit

0:58:28.480 --> 0:58:32.240
<v Speaker 2>of icing. In a bunt situation. My number one cake

0:58:32.320 --> 0:58:35.640
<v Speaker 2>might be lemon I love. I love the lemon flavor type.

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<v Speaker 2>Some that you left out, well, no, no, I didn't leave

0:58:38.480 --> 0:58:42.760
<v Speaker 2>out those are my favorite. You can't correct me.

0:58:42.960 --> 0:58:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Some that you left out, Dan, I'm correct.

0:58:44.600 --> 0:58:45.680
<v Speaker 2>Tell me your favorites.

0:58:46.440 --> 0:58:48.080
<v Speaker 1>I have a list, it's no particular order.

0:58:48.320 --> 0:58:48.800
<v Speaker 2>I do like.

0:58:51.640 --> 0:58:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Red velvet cakes very good.

0:58:53.120 --> 0:58:54.120
<v Speaker 2>Is this your number five?

0:58:54.520 --> 0:58:56.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I didn't do the rankings like you did.

0:58:56.440 --> 0:58:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't have strong opinions on cake other than did

0:58:59.200 --> 0:59:00.680
<v Speaker 1>say that Lazani is not cake.

0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:03.240
<v Speaker 2>When you thought about this, did you know or did

0:59:03.240 --> 0:59:05.400
<v Speaker 2>you look up what red velvet is? No? No, I

0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:08.080
<v Speaker 2>know what this is. Okay, I just make it. I

0:59:08.080 --> 0:59:10.160
<v Speaker 2>didn't know the difference between chocolate and red velvet, and

0:59:10.200 --> 0:59:13.200
<v Speaker 2>it's very subtle. But I learned that there's it's cocoa

0:59:13.240 --> 0:59:16.360
<v Speaker 2>and cocoa powder, cocoa butter, and there's like a vinegar.

0:59:16.080 --> 0:59:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Factor, red velvet up for consideration. A really good carrot

0:59:21.240 --> 0:59:26.160
<v Speaker 1>cake to be can be very very good, Okay, can

0:59:26.200 --> 0:59:28.880
<v Speaker 1>be a contender, terram Asu.

0:59:30.360 --> 0:59:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Not bad, creamy, very creamy. Yeah, you like that puff factor.

0:59:35.120 --> 0:59:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Cheesecake deserves at least a mention.

0:59:39.400 --> 0:59:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Here, may I I'm going to take a little step

0:59:43.720 --> 0:59:46.920
<v Speaker 2>into this conversation. I think a cheesecake is a pie.

0:59:48.160 --> 0:59:50.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm going it's called a cake, Dan, if you are

0:59:50.360 --> 0:59:53.000
<v Speaker 2>going to step on my savory cakes called a cake.

0:59:53.720 --> 0:59:58.200
<v Speaker 2>I know it's called a cake, but people listen to podcasts,

0:59:58.200 --> 1:00:03.400
<v Speaker 2>not on iPods, sometimes the name is not It sort

1:00:03.400 --> 1:00:05.680
<v Speaker 2>of misrepresents what it is. I think cheesecake is a poe.

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<v Speaker 1>This is where you're going to say chicken pot pie

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<v Speaker 1>or shepherd's pie.

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<v Speaker 2>No. Continue, But that's just I'm just throwing it out there.

1:00:12.280 --> 1:00:15.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying I'm taking exception with that categorization.

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<v Speaker 1>Next, the last one I have written down here is

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<v Speaker 1>I've had very few good ones. Okay, but a banana

1:00:23.280 --> 1:00:26.600
<v Speaker 1>cake could be very good. So like a banana cream

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<v Speaker 1>banana cream or sort of like almost like a banana

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<v Speaker 1>nut bread cake. I've had something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it Is it like loaf form it? Sometimes?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it can be formed kind of like.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's a different sheep. See banana bread to me

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<v Speaker 2>seems like cake. Yeah, because it's just a loaf cake,

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<v Speaker 2>right right, Okay, just some items, sure your consideration. So

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<v Speaker 2>is there is there one that you would I would

1:00:55.400 --> 1:00:58.080
<v Speaker 2>probably put carrot cake in here. So if it was

1:00:58.120 --> 1:01:01.960
<v Speaker 2>a birthday meal, you'd be most excited for your meal.

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<v Speaker 1>To conclude, I think the ceiling is higher interesting with

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<v Speaker 1>carrot cake, but it's got to be good. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of bad carrot cakes out there that was unexpected,

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<v Speaker 1>but carrot cake. I just I don't know a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of carrot cake lovers think it's you and Mindy Kaling. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I know that. Now I really

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<v Speaker 1>want coffeecake right now, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>My mind is, go at your coffeecake if you can

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<v Speaker 2>get out, Okay, I will.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that does it for the show. Hope everyone out

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<v Speaker 1>there is uh staying safe, enjoying their time listening to

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<v Speaker 1>this show. Concluding in a very awkward fashion here as

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about our favorite types of cake after doing

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<v Speaker 1>a cake themed college football show, as always soliverble at

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for downloading the show, and thank

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<v Speaker 1>wash your hands, wash your hands for that guy, Well

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<v Speaker 1>friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Ty hilden Brand, thank you

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