1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Post Friend. Hi. I am so excited 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: for today's episode because it is with one of my 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: all time favorite country singers, Jordan Davis. If you guys 4 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: follow me on Instagram, you know how often I have 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: been sharing Jordan's songs to my stories because truthfully, I 6 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: have been running to his music all summer long. So 7 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: to actually go for a run with him through Brooklyn 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: and then sit down for this conversation, it was a 9 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: total dream come true. Also I got him to sing 10 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: along to Buy Dirt with me on the run, so yeah, guys, 11 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: safe to say I was on cloud nine. In this conversation, 12 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: you are going to learn all about Jordan's untraditional journey 13 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: in country music. Jordan actually never set out to be 14 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: a country singer, which I was so surprised to learn. 15 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: He thought he was going to be a Nashville songwriter. 16 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: But as we all know, life has a way of 17 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: surprising us, and Jordan's story is proof that when you 18 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: stay open to possibility and keep showing up for what 19 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: you love, doors can open in ways you never imagined. 20 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: And before we jump in, I love hearing your ideas 21 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: for the show, So please follow me on Instagram at 22 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: kpe Max and send me a DM with your dream 23 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: guest picks for the show. All right, let's get into 24 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: today's episode with Jordan Davis. Jordan Davis, welcome to Post 25 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: Run High. 26 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you very much. That was a lot 27 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 2: of fun. 28 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: We ran a little over a mile in Brooklyn. Ye, 29 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: how are you feeling? 30 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 2: I feel great. I don't run a ton. 31 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 3: We usually on the road will work out, but like 32 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 3: mostly just waits. 33 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: But I feel like I handled that better than I thought. 34 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: I thought. 35 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 3: I thought at some point I was gonna have to 36 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 3: tell you, like, hey, can I get five? 37 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 2: But we made it through. 38 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, we made it through. I know. I was hoping 39 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: you wouldn't tell me that, and you didn't. 40 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 3: You. 41 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you made it through the whole run. No breaks. 42 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: A lot of people take breaks, so Jordan crushed it. 43 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: You'd probably run a lot further than a mile or two, so. 44 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I was like I was hoping it 45 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: it wasn't too far of because sometimes when we start 46 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: doing those piers in Brooklyn, it can become like two 47 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: miles really quick when we promise a mile. So I 48 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: was like Jeremy's Times of Germany. Yeah, no worries, We 49 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: talked about it a little bit on the run, but 50 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: tell us a little bit more about like your workout 51 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: routine and maybe like how you guys stay fit on tour. 52 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: I think a lot of it is just we have 53 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 3: so much time to kill, you know. Music is a 54 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 3: lot of sit around and wait, so we try to 55 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 3: go in the morning, find a gym. A lot of 56 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: times the menu will have either a gym hook up 57 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 3: or if we're playing an arena, usually either hockey team 58 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 3: or something, we can use their facilities. But we usually lift, 59 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 3: you know, three to four times a week. I think 60 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 3: the biggest thing it's like trying to be smart with 61 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 3: what I'm working out, you know, either it be I've 62 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 3: had some lower back issues, so like trying to strengthen 63 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 3: my legs, strengthen muscles around the back. And then the 64 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: other side of it is the diet. 65 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: You know, it's like. 66 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 3: Trying to you know, if depending on where we're at, 67 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 3: a lot of times we're in the middle of nowhere, 68 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 3: so we're either bringing food or trying to run down 69 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 3: something to eat healthy. But yeah, out there it's mostly 70 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 3: three or four times a week lifting weights, trying to 71 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 3: eat clean and yeah, now after today throwing in some cardio. 72 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: So I mean, what's great about this show is you 73 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: get your workout in and now you know you're set 74 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 1: for the day because getting a little movement, I feel 75 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: like always makes you feel better. 76 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the thing. 77 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 3: It's like, you know, getting which is great having Alex out, 78 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 3: you know, because it's very easy to get pretty still 79 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 3: on the road or hang on the bus or go 80 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: do something else. So having him out there to kind 81 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 3: of kick us in gear early, knock it out and 82 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: get back and start focusing on the show. 83 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. 84 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: It's interesting knowing that you said, you guys have a 85 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: lot of extra time on the show, which makes sense, 86 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: right because you're performing at night and then you got 87 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: to fill your time during the day. Our interview with 88 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: your Spentley is coming out this Monday, but we played 89 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: pickleball before the show with him, so it was fun 90 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: knowing that his team kind of sets up the pickleball courts. 91 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: They get out there, they you know, get very competitive. 92 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: You guys do stuff like that too, Like what are 93 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: some of the activities you're feeling your time? 94 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely, So we toured with Dirks a couple of years ago, 95 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: which is where we picked up pickleball, so we usually 96 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: go to pick a ball in the fall. You know, 97 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 3: when it gets cold outside, you can't really do much. 98 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 3: So well, we stole their court making abilities, so we'll 99 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 3: make our own courts play pickaball in the fall, or 100 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 3: if we're in you know, arenas or wherever, we'll try 101 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 3: to do pick up basketball, something indoors and active. In summer, 102 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 3: we play a lot of golf, so like we'll you know, 103 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 3: either play golf and then go get a workout in 104 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 3: or vice versa. I'd say like that time from you know, 105 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 3: waking up to one two pm is kind of when 106 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 3: we have our That time between one, you know or 107 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: from waking up to two pm is kind of when 108 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 3: we have our time to go do something, be active. 109 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: You know, songwriters are good with audio when you just 110 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: do you repeated yourself because something came on. Are you 111 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: a sports fan outside you are? What's your favorite team? 112 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: So, I mean, I'm a huge football fan. So being 113 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 3: from Louisiana, I'm a Saints guy. New on the Saints 114 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 3: and then I went to LSU, So I'm a huge 115 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: LSU Tiger fan. Football and baseball my two. So my 116 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 3: baseball team is Texas Rangers. 117 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: Okay, So and you said for the forty nine Ers, 118 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: you've performed at that stadium or before games? 119 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: What? 120 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: No, we got to play. 121 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: We did a tour Luke Holmes and played NFL stadiums, 122 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 3: So we got to play the forty nine Ers, the Bengals, 123 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 3: the Bills. We got to check off a lot of 124 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 3: really cool football stadiums. And that was, you know, awesome 125 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 3: on a sense of like you're getting to play these 126 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 3: amazing stadiums that you know, I'm used to watching people 127 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 3: play football on Sundays, but also too, they were really 128 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 3: cool and let us you know, work out in the gyms, 129 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 3: getting tour the facility, see the locker rooms. 130 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,559 Speaker 1: Going to say, I feel like seeing the locker rooms 131 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: is like the coolest thing. 132 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's awesome. 133 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: I feel like, what's going to be cool for you too, 134 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: is you've got your first performance at Red Rocks coming up. 135 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: Like that's going to be pretty surreal going backstage there. 136 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: You know, I was a huge Dave Matthews fan, so 137 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 3: like the live you know, DVDs. Kids don't even know 138 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 3: what those are anymore, but like I would watch these 139 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 3: DVDs of Dave at Red Rocks, and you know, with 140 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 3: no clue back then that this would ever music would 141 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 3: ever pan out in this way. But I think the 142 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 3: coolest thing is I've had some chances to some opportunities 143 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: to play Red Rocks as an opener, and is actually 144 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 3: one of them was with Dirks on a tour that 145 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 3: ended up going away because you know, twenty twenty one, 146 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 3: right at start a COVID, and I remember being bummed 147 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 3: at that tour went away because Red Rocks was on it. 148 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 3: But now, you know, being able to go there for 149 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 3: the first time as a headliner is going to be 150 00:06:59,480 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 3: pretty cool. 151 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's going to be surreal. The first, the 152 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: first and only concert I saw at Red Rocks was 153 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: oh gosh, what is it called Big Wild? Oh yeah, yeah, 154 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: and it was insane. 155 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: It's a special spot. 156 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: It's a special spot. I remember we were going to 157 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: Colorado for the first time to visit Jeremy's brother who 158 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: lives in Colorado Springs, and I said, the one thing 159 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: we're absolutely doing is we were driving to Denver and 160 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: we're going to Red Rocks. So that's going to be 161 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: pretty surreal. You said, growing up you were a Dave 162 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: Matthews fan. Yeah, what was like your life, like in Louisiana. 163 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: Were you always into music? Did you play sports growing up? 164 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: Like what was young Jordan Like, yeah. 165 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: You know, music from an early age, and I think 166 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 3: a lot of that was just my dad the family, 167 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 3: which we talked a little bit about, but like, you know, 168 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: my uncle being a songwriter. My dad was an avid 169 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 3: guitar player and kind of you know, would pick songs 170 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 3: and stuff. So and then my mom was piano player, 171 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 3: you know, played piano at the church. So you know, 172 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 3: we grew up Sunday and Wednesday night being there watching 173 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 3: her play. So like, music was very was just from 174 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 3: the start. And then you know, as I got older, 175 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 3: I got into sports and I played football and baseball 176 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 3: you know, up through high school. But yeah, music never 177 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 3: got too too far. But it really wasn't until you know, 178 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 3: college that I picked the guitar up and started trying 179 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 3: to write my own songs. You know, I'd always like 180 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: cover songs or you know, basically songs my dad had played. 181 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 3: But you know, still to this day, I'm not really 182 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 3: like an artist that and like I'm envious of artists 183 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 3: like Jaco and Dirk's is great at this but like 184 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 3: being able to just play any song out there, you know, 185 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 3: picking a guitar up and you name a song and 186 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 3: they can play it. I've never really been that guy, 187 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 3: just because when I, you know, really started playing guitar, 188 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 3: it was just always to write my own stuff. But yeah, 189 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: college is when that really took off. 190 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 1: Being able to pick up the guitar and play any song. 191 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: I feel like that's like a special talent. Like do 192 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: you feel like more a lot of people can do 193 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: that that are musicians. 194 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean it's just like it's I'm so 195 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 3: bad at it, and like it shocks me when one 196 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 3: person knows like five cover songs. 197 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: That's like to me, that's like people that can like 198 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: see a dance choreographed like once and then be able 199 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: to do it. 200 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 201 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 3: I mean some some people just have that gift. Like 202 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 3: and I say that, and Jake is Jake Owen's. 203 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 2: Really really good at it. But I don't know. I 204 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 2: think it just goes back to. 205 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 3: When I started playing, it was just to write my 206 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 3: own stuff, and you know, still and the guitar is 207 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 3: one of those things where like you can always learn 208 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 3: something new, you know, I can. I'm not a great 209 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 3: guitar player by any means, but it's it's it's fun 210 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 3: to watch somebody. I've got a guy, Marcus King is 211 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 3: on a song on this record with me, and he's 212 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 3: the best guitar player I've ever like been around, and 213 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 3: uh watching him play it, like, you know, kind of 214 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 3: inspires me to It's like, come on, dude, you could 215 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 3: you could get a little bit better at that. So 216 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 3: uh yeah, that's the next that's the next goal. 217 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: Next goal. I feel like it's cool to have like 218 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: a foundational understanding of playing the guitar, especially as a 219 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: country singer, and then you can kind of appreciate somebody 220 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: like that phenomenal at it. But it's cool that you 221 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: you taught yourself how to play. Yeah, when you were 222 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: at LSU, you were studying environmental science. Did you think 223 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: that you were going to do something completely different post college? 224 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? I did? You know? 225 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 3: I had moved when I got to Baton Rouge. You know, 226 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 3: I kind of jumped majors around a couple of times. 227 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 3: I knew I wanted to go into one Gas Like 228 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 3: that was like kind of what I thought my life 229 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 3: was going to be. I figured I would move to 230 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 3: New Orleans, get a job with a one Gas company, 231 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 3: and that would be that would be how it turned out. 232 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 2: I graduated, I started working. 233 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 3: With a friend of mine who had an environmental company 234 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 3: in Baton Rouge, and I worked there for probably five 235 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: six months. 236 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: And you know, there's no school. It was the eight, it. 237 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 3: Was the nine to five. Uh, And that's kind of 238 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 3: when it set into me. Like, you know, I was 239 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 3: still playing a lot of music, going to a lot 240 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 3: of shows in Baton Rouge, and uh, it was just like, 241 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: all right, this is life, Like if I if. 242 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 2: This is what I want to do, this is this 243 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: is the blueprint. 244 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 3: You know, I work this and maybe I'll get promoted 245 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 3: and be able to climb the ladder at this company, 246 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 3: which I loved working there and the people were great, 247 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 3: but you know, every night it was kind of like 248 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 3: I don't know if, I don't know if I'm ready 249 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: to do this yet. And uh there was just that 250 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 3: constant pool at you know, moving to Nashville and giving 251 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 3: songwriting a shot. But uh, yeah, I never I never 252 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 3: really saw I definitely didn't see music working out the 253 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 3: way it did. But grateful I made the move and 254 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 3: and gave it a shot. 255 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: It's cool knowing that you had this itch when you 256 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: were working, you know that nine to five. When you 257 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: were growing up, how was success kind of defined in 258 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: your house? And how many siblings you have? 259 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 3: Like what's the You've got an older brother and a 260 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 3: younger sister. Okay, uh and we're all within you know, 261 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 3: seven years. 262 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that I kind of. 263 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 3: And this is no knock on on my parents, but 264 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 3: you know, like, uh, it was kind of the go 265 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 3: to work, uh, you know, get the nine to five, 266 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: come home to the picket fence and buy a house 267 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 3: and work a job that's safe and comfortable. And I 268 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: think that that was. 269 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 2: What I thought. Uh you know, it was like go 270 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: to go to. 271 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 3: College, you gotta get a degree, you gotta do this, 272 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 3: you gotta you gotta make this much coming out of college, 273 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 3: or you know, it's it's kind of just put all 274 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 3: these parameters on stuff. And that's what I thought success 275 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: was at the time, to where now, you know, being 276 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 3: a dad, I think that that I can I'll probably 277 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: shift that view of success a little bit to my 278 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 3: kids because you know, I'm so grateful that something in 279 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 3: me pushed me to move to Nashville and chase something. 280 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 3: And I've always said this, you know, is being a 281 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 3: musician or really working anything outside of the box. You know, 282 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 3: I think it just takes confidence in what you do 283 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 3: to chase after it. And that's like the biggest thing 284 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 3: I'm proud of to be able to teach my kids. 285 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,599 Speaker 2: Was like, you know, it wasn't easy. It wasn't fun leaving. 286 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 3: A job that was pretty stable to move to Nashville 287 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 3: and go back to bartending at twenty six and writing 288 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 3: songs and getting rejected here, getting rejected there, having a 289 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 3: good meeting here, but not panning out like you know, 290 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 3: And that was my first four or five years in Nashville. 291 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 3: So but you know, I stuck with it, and you know, 292 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 3: it was a passion that I loved, and it's okay 293 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 3: to stick with passions a little bit longer and ignore 294 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: a few knows to see where it gets you. 295 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: And I feel like sometimes you have to ignore even 296 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: family members who want the best for you, that are like, 297 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: you know, stay in that nine to five, like do 298 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: songwriting on the side. But yeah, you really created your 299 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: own lane, which is the scariest thing about doing your 300 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: own thing. And I think what's cool about going to Nashville, though, 301 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: is you get to see some of the greats that 302 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: have done it before you, and you're in this culture 303 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: of a lot of people trying to make it, so 304 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: there's a lane in some way. It's just kind of 305 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: like carving your own path within it. We talked a 306 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: lot with Dirk's about like learning the craft of country music, 307 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: and I thought it was fascinating as a Jersey girl 308 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: that web you talked about this. But I grew up 309 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: listening to Akon and Beyonce, so I didn't know much 310 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: about country music. Now I'm a huge country fan. So 311 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: can we talk a little bit about like when you 312 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: moved from Louisiana to Nashville, Like what were those early 313 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: years like for you? You know, you were bar attending, but 314 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: like paint the picture of like what life looked like 315 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: for Jordan at the time. 316 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 317 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: So I left the environmental job and had, you know, 318 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 3: maybe like two months of money saved up to before 319 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 3: then I could just survive. I moved in with a 320 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 3: friend of mine that is still grateful to the state 321 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 3: didn't charge you rent for the first four months, and 322 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: then after that he's like, all right, you got to 323 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 3: figure it out. 324 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 2: So I moved to town. 325 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 3: I found a job bartending pretty quick and you know, 326 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 3: kind of started meeting my group of writers and friends, 327 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 3: and which has been really cool because a lot of 328 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 3: those have we've kind of all come up together. 329 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: And one of those was Carly Pearce, who. 330 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 3: I think we met in twenty twelve so have been 331 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 3: dear friends since. 332 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 2: But like, and I had this thought. 333 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 3: I was like, all right, when I moved to Nashville, 334 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 3: I want to sign a publishing deal, which means I 335 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 3: could focus on music one hundred percent. You know, you 336 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 3: get paid to write songs. That's basically what a publishing 337 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 3: deal is. And I was just like, man, I want 338 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 3: to sign au pup deal within two years and you know, 339 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 3: hopefully get a couple of songs cut. And you know, 340 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 3: that was like the that was the goal. At four 341 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 3: years in, I was still bartending. No signs of a 342 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 3: publishing deal, no nothing. And I say it was four years, 343 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 3: it felt like ten. I mean because it was wake up, 344 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 3: you know, show up at a ride at nine o'clock, 345 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 3: right till two or three, be at the bar at four, 346 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 3: work till midnight, and then wake up and repeat the 347 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 3: process again for four years of my life. And and 348 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 3: then and not a ton of positives in between, there. 349 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 3: You know, it kind of just felt like you were 350 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 3: like I was like barely treading water. 351 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 2: Pretty much up until twenty fifteen. 352 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 3: Was when I kind of I went to my brother's 353 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 3: house and kind of had like a little come to 354 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 3: Jesus and I was like, dude, I don't know if 355 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 3: I could do this anymore. Man Like, I left a 356 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: pretty good gig in Baton, Rouge. I've been here up 357 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 3: in Barton and haven't had much going on. I think 358 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 3: I'm going to move back to Louisiana, and my brother, 359 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 3: thank God, was like, dude, give it one more year, 360 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: give it five years. Like and I wrote slow Dance 361 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 3: in a parking lot that month, and that was the 362 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 3: song that like opened the door for me and eventually 363 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 3: led to me signing my publishing deal and record deal. 364 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: When did you go from writing to then deciding, oh, 365 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to be the one that sings these songs. 366 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: And how did you always know you had a good voice? 367 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 3: I think everybody, every songwriter, is an artist. So you know, 368 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 3: my goal was to move to Nashville, write songs for 369 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 3: other people, you know, and become just a nine to 370 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 3: five songwriter. Obviously wasn't getting anywhere, getting close to signing 371 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 3: a publishing deal with that, and I'd seen some people 372 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 3: that I was writing with and knew of that. We're like, oh, 373 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 3: I want to be an artist, and they were signing 374 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 3: publishing deals to signing record deals. And you know, early on, 375 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 3: I've had a meeting with somebody in there like are 376 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 3: you are you doing the artist thing? And I had 377 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 3: no clue what that meant. And I was like, oh, no, 378 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 3: I'm not doing that. I don't even know what that means. 379 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 2: And I went and had a meeting and brought that up. 380 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 3: I was like, man, I just feel like I'm writing 381 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 3: good songs and this person just signed a deal. 382 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: This person just signed a deal. 383 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 3: And the publisher at the time said like, yeah, well 384 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 3: they want to be artists, they want record deals. 385 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 2: And right then I was like, well I want one to. 386 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 3: Had never played a show and never never really you know, 387 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 3: I've done like two or three writers rounds live, but 388 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 3: I did. I was like, well, I want one too, 389 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 3: if that gets me, if that's what I have to 390 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 3: do to get out of the constant, right Bartend, Right, bartend, 391 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 3: I was willing to do anything. 392 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: You're looking and me the microphone. 393 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 2: Now, I was like I'll find a band. 394 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 3: I'll do whatever you need me to do if I 395 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 3: can get out of serving drinks. It's like that thing 396 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 3: that you you say you want to do, not thinking 397 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 3: that anything's going to happen. And then next thing I knew, 398 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 3: I was meeting, you know, with record labels, and they 399 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 3: were asking me to when's my next show? Like, oh, 400 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 3: we want we want to come see you live, So 401 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 3: when are you playing next? And I remember being like, oh, 402 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 3: I have to check, you know, I'm booking. I'm working 403 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 3: on booking a show next month. 404 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 2: And then I would get home and. 405 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 3: Be like, I don't even have a bass player, like 406 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 3: much less a show next month. So like having to yeah, 407 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 3: I mean one hundred percent, Yeah, I had to throw 408 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 3: a band together pretty quick and start calling bars to 409 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 3: see if I could play a show. 410 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: But it is amazing that it's like you were chasing 411 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: this dream of becoming a songwriter, and obviously, like you 412 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: are a songwriter and that's a big part of you. 413 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,959 Speaker 1: But it's cool that through chasing that for years and 414 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: like being on that journey, you found your way into 415 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: what you're doing now, and it's different than you had 416 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: ever expected or planned for it to be, But it's 417 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: funny how life happens that way. 418 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 2: Never rule anything out. That's what that taught me. 419 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: How many songs do you think you wrote before crafting 420 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: a hit song. 421 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 3: I mean, for four years, I was writing at least 422 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 3: four or five songs a week. I was trying to 423 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 3: write Monday through Friday, you know, and sometimes I'd have 424 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 3: six or. 425 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 2: Seven writes a week. 426 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 3: And it's definitely changed now, but you know, at that time, 427 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 3: it was more like volume. I was just kind of like, 428 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 3: all right, if I'm up here to write songs, I'm 429 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,719 Speaker 3: gonna write songs. So if I wasn't Bartend and I 430 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 3: was trying to write with somebody somewhere. And now that's 431 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 3: kind of shifted to where I'm a little more strategic 432 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 3: and I kind of plan ideas out more, mainly just 433 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 3: because I don't have as much time as I to 434 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 3: write as I used to. But a good A good 435 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 3: saying on that is, it takes one hundred bad songs 436 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 3: to write one good one. And I hate even saying 437 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 3: like bad songs, but like you know, we all know 438 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 3: when songs are special, you know, I mean, even you 439 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 3: know by dirt next thing, you know, when we finished 440 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 3: those songs. I left that day being like, I don't 441 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 3: know if that's going to be a huge hit, but 442 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 3: I know that's a special song. So you know, even 443 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 3: writing them in the live in the moment, you can 444 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 3: be like, all right, I think this one's got something. 445 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 3: But I've also written my fair share of songs that 446 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 3: I hope live in my email forever and nobody ever hears. 447 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: So do you feel like you had an AHA moment 448 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: with songwriting where you were like, Oh, this is the 449 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: formula for what makes a great country song, and what 450 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: is that formula? 451 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 3: I chase the formula forever, and I say formula. It's 452 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 3: it's more so like you know, when I moved to Nashville, 453 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 3: and like I said, it was, I was trying to 454 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 3: write songs for other people. So I was looking it 455 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 3: who was making records, who's looking for songs? And I 456 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 3: was trying to write a song like I think Tim 457 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 3: McGraw would write a song, or I was trying to 458 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 3: write one like I thought Jaco wanted to write a 459 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 3: song and totally ignoring any of like my instincts for 460 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 3: what I would say. And that was the switch for 461 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 3: me when I was like, you know what I've been 462 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 3: doing this for four years, don't have one cut, very 463 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 3: few holds for people that were even thinking about recording. 464 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:33,959 Speaker 2: One of my songs. 465 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 3: And I'm just going to start writing songs the way 466 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 3: I would write them and throughout any other person singing 467 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 3: this other than me. And that was when it. That 468 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 3: was when my song started getting traction, and that was 469 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 3: a big moment. 470 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: There was a gap between you putting out your first 471 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: album and putting out your single By Dirt and then 472 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,719 Speaker 1: a couple of years later your second debut album. I 473 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: know within that gap you got married, right, you started 474 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: your family. There was a lot going on personally in 475 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: your life. Was there a pause during that gap, because 476 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: I think it, What was it like twenty seventeen you 477 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,959 Speaker 1: dropped your first hit single and then twenty there's just 478 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: like a few years before twenty twenty one when By 479 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: Dirt comes out, So like, what was kind of going 480 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: on in your life in those years? Did you have 481 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: another like I quit moment? 482 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 2: Or I think it was kind of to catch up. 483 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 3: You know, my first single did really well and even 484 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 3: signing a record deal, putting a song out, you don't 485 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 3: expect I don't think I expected it to do what 486 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 3: it did, and you know, I sing As You Up 487 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 3: came out in twenty seventeen, and I thought it sounded awesome, 488 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 3: It felt great to me, and it went on to 489 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 3: be one of the biggest most play songs that year. 490 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 3: So I think a little bit of that pause was 491 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 3: kind of catching up and being like, oh my gosh, 492 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 3: like this kind of worked. 493 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: And. 494 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 3: It is still writing a lot, but like that was 495 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 3: also when like touring picked up. I was playing more 496 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 3: shows than I'd ever played before, or we'd done one 497 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 3: hundred shows for like, you know, you take away the 498 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 3: two years where touring didn't exist, you know, I mean 499 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 3: we were over one hundred shows going back to twenty seventeen, 500 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. Uh So it was 501 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 3: a lot of like being on the road, a lot 502 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 3: of touring. 503 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: That's gretty one hundred shows. 504 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 505 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 3: And you know the thing too is is like the 506 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 3: kind of saying in and making records is like you 507 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 3: have your whole life to make your first record, you know, 508 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 3: which I did. 509 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 2: I'd had I. 510 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 3: Recorded songs on my first album that I wrote in 511 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 3: twenty fourteen, twenty thirteen. You put your album out and 512 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,239 Speaker 3: then it's like, all right, now you have a year 513 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 3: and a half to make your second one. 514 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 2: So it was it was a. 515 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 3: Lot of like catching up touring and kind of getting 516 00:24:58,640 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 3: back to writing. 517 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: And and that's a lot of pressure too. 518 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 519 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: You know, you're like, oh, well, I spend so much 520 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: time crafting this first debut album and now all of 521 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, there's bangers on that album. The 522 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: fans want to make sure the next music I put 523 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: out is great. 524 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, you know, And a lot of it was 525 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 3: because you know, by Dirt went on to do some 526 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 3: amazing things. 527 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 2: Still, I think thank you. Like I said, I knew the. 528 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 3: Song was special. I had no clue that Luke would 529 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 3: sing on it with me and it would go on 530 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 3: to do what it did. 531 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: How did that come to be? 532 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 2: So Luke was at the time. 533 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 3: I just put out like an eph and we had 534 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 3: a writer's retreat and we it was me, my brother, 535 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 3: and two of my best friends who I write most 536 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 3: of my songs with that group. And they came down 537 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 3: there and they were like, well, man, what are you 538 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 3: what are you doing right now? And I was like, guys, 539 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 3: I've just I just put this EP out. I don't 540 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 3: know what I'm doing for this next album. 541 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: And really quickly, what does a writer's retreat look like 542 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: for you? Like, what are you guys doing? Duck hunting 543 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: and like brainstorming on the side. 544 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 3: Sometimes sometimes this was just one we went like like 545 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 3: about an hour and a half south of Nashville, just 546 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,479 Speaker 3: got a got a spot in the woods and just 547 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 3: kind of us four hanging out writing songs all day 548 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 3: and uh, you know, just kind of getting out of 549 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 3: getting away from Nashville for a little bit. 550 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 2: And I'd kind of told him. I was like, guys, 551 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm doing. 552 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 3: I don't know, you know. We just put this project out. 553 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 3: I don't know when this next record is gonna come out. 554 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 3: And to be honest with you too, like I'm I 555 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 3: don't even know what I want this next record to be. 556 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 3: And we had sawt you know, I knew Luke was 557 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 3: recording songs and we had the idea for by Dirt, 558 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 3: and I was like, well, guys, what if we write this, 559 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 3: you know, and see if Luke will cut it, and 560 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 3: then we write it and I finished it and I 561 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 3: was like, guys, I can't let this song go. I 562 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,479 Speaker 3: don't know what this next record is going to be 563 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 3: but I know I want this to be on it. 564 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 2: And I get back I couldn't. I couldn't, you know. 565 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 2: At that point, I was like, man, Luke would sound 566 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: good on this. Do I pitch it to him? Do 567 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 2: I hang on to it? 568 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 3: And I'm sitting at the house and I was like, man, 569 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna send it to him, see if he 570 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 3: wants to sing on it with me. And I sat 571 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 3: there and wrote the text message out erased it, rewrote it, 572 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 3: erased it because the scariest thing in the world is 573 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 3: sending a song to somebody, especially a buddy, and being like, hey, man, 574 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 3: do you want to sing on this? Because you're opening 575 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 3: the door to like, no, man, it's not that good. 576 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 3: I don't want to sing on that. So it's nerve 577 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 3: wracking to send it, you know. 578 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of vulnerability in sharing in your 579 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: art with someone. 580 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 2: And I hate like putting him in that spot for 581 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 2: him to have to be like maybe not, dude, acknowledging. 582 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: Pretty cool to have Luke's number in your phone, just yeah, 583 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: ready to test. 584 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 2: I mean, he's a great dude. 585 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 3: He's like and uh, but I mean he hit me 586 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 3: right back, and you know sing on it, and it 587 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 3: went on and got me my first ever song of 588 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 3: the year, which is pretty special. 589 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 2: But yeah, that was a I do. I owe a 590 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 2: lot to that song. 591 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: I owe a lot to you for writing that song 592 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: because truly it has been getting me through my runs recently. 593 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate you. 594 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: How do you feel like post that song your life changed? 595 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: Because I feel like that was really like the I 596 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: made it moment, that song, and that was a big 597 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: turning point for you in life. 598 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I felt it. 599 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 3: The first time we ever played that song live, I 600 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 3: can like see it right now. We played, you know, 601 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 3: because we released that tail end of the Pandemic and 602 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 3: our first show back was in Carolina. We played this 603 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 3: big music festival in Carolina and we had put it out. 604 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 3: We were going to put it in the set, and 605 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 3: then I took it out of the set and my 606 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 3: guitar player came up and was like, dude, we're not 607 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 3: playing by dirt And I was like, man, I don't know, 608 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 3: I don't have Luke here, like you know, it's kind 609 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 3: of and he's like, dude, I think we should play it, 610 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 3: and I was like, all. 611 00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 2: Right, whatever. The stove back in. 612 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 3: We played it second to last, and I mean the 613 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 3: second we started playing that song, I was just I 614 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 3: just remember being like, oh wow, like they're listening to this, 615 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 3: and it just got bigger and bigger every time we 616 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 3: played it, and the shows got bigger, even our headline 617 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 3: and stuff like I could see like a change and 618 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 3: people showing up. 619 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,719 Speaker 2: It just felt like it just felt different. 620 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 3: And we'd had some big songs before that, but that 621 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 3: was the one that really kind of kicked the doors 622 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 3: open for us. 623 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: Is that a wild experience performing a song in front 624 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,239 Speaker 1: of a crowd and having them go so crazy to it? 625 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? 626 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: Has that been surreal? 627 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 3: It never gets old, like I mean it is. I 628 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 3: think as a songwriter, that's the coolest moment. And being 629 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 3: like being able to see something from an idea to 630 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 3: being in the right room to the recording process and 631 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 3: then playing it on stage and seeing it connect is. 632 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the top. 633 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: And seeing some of these numbers, like I was looking 634 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: at YouTube earlier watching some of your music videos, and 635 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: I mean those numbers are astronomical. You're talking like over 636 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: fifty million views for a lot of them, and then 637 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: you look at Spotify, it's like hundreds of millions of plays. 638 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: I mean that just it's just surreal, you know, and 639 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: it's cool thinking getting to learn the story of like 640 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: the work that went into all of this coming to fruition. 641 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: And what does your wife think of it all? Is 642 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: she like this is nuts? 643 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, you know, she. 644 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,959 Speaker 1: She's been really with you through it all. 645 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, you know, when we first started dating, 646 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 3: I was still bartending. So like when her first trip 647 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 3: to Nashville, you know, she landed and the bar I 648 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 3: used to work at was like right by the airport, so, uh, 649 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 3: we met New Orleans. She was still living in Virginia, 650 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 3: so she flew in and I was like, you don't 651 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 3: have to go far because I'm barton in two miles 652 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 3: from the airport. So she landed, came and hung out 653 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 3: with us. So yeah, she's kind of seen the whole 654 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 3: the whole thing. The thing I love about that is, like, 655 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 3: you know, it's it's been just as enjoyable for her 656 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 3: to kind of like to see the ups and downs, 657 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 3: to see the growth of it, you know. And the 658 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 3: most fun for me is to you know, have you know, 659 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 3: hit a loll or feel like you're kind of losing 660 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 3: steam and and come home and her be like, do 661 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 3: you ever did you ever think you would be here anyway? 662 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 3: Like what you know, and to kind of get that 663 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 3: relief of like, oh yeah, you're right, Like I get 664 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,959 Speaker 3: to make music for a living. This is amazing. Uh, 665 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 3: it's been It's been good for me. 666 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, and you've you've made songs that 667 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: people listen to NonStop on repeat. 668 00:31:59,520 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 669 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, even then there's still it's it's nice to know 670 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: that you can have so much success and still feel 671 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: at a low sometimes and. 672 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, grass is always greeners. 673 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: Is always greener. But looking back at all, you know, 674 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: you've had so much success, Like what would you tell 675 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: your younger self? 676 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 2: Oh? 677 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 3: Man, I get asked that question a ton, and like 678 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 3: as opposed to like going to like this like cliche 679 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 3: thing of I try to like be honest with it. 680 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 3: And I think with me, it's like the the it's 681 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 3: it's scary, it's not easy. I'm really glad the way 682 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 3: it played out. I'm glad it took me the years 683 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 3: it took me to because even though those four years 684 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 3: of like moving to Nashville were tough, I became such 685 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 3: a better songwriter in those four years. 686 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what do you miss the most about those years? 687 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 3: It was that it was like the daily grind of 688 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 3: like waking up and trying to come up with the 689 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 3: best idea, you know, staying up late, you know, get 690 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 3: bartending home at two am, no one I had to 691 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 3: rite the next day, staying up till three, trying to 692 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,479 Speaker 3: come up with something to be able to bring in, 693 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 3: being tired all the time. I think if I could 694 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 3: go back and tell myself something earlier, it would it 695 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,479 Speaker 3: would be to follow your gut to chase it sooner. 696 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 3: I think I knew that I wanted to move to 697 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 3: Nashville before long before I did, but it was kind 698 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 3: of breaking free of that, like, oh no, dude, that's risky. 699 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 2: You know that sometimes the risky play is the one 700 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 2: you need to get to. 701 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 3: So I would I would say, I would tell myself 702 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 3: to get there quicker. 703 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: How late are you normally up on the nights that 704 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: you're performing. 705 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 3: We usually like it's like one am. So like if 706 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 3: we we'll play between nine and ten thirty somewhere in there, 707 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 3: play for an hour and a half. It takes me 708 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 3: probably like an hour and a half to kind of 709 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 3: let the let the adrenaline calm down. But yeah, we're 710 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 3: also a big Mario Kart camp, so we play a 711 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 3: lot of Mario Kart. 712 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: Okay, wait, you're going to need. 713 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 2: To educate me. It's pretty, it's pretty rockstar. 714 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 1: Is that on your phone? Or is that. 715 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 2: It's the Nintendo What is it? The switch? Switch switch? 716 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,399 Speaker 1: Okay, I need to get a Nintendo switch. Are they 717 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: like the old fashioned ones or have they gotten cooler? No? 718 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 3: There, it's like a PlayStation. It's like a PlayStation controller. 719 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's like the regular Mario Yoshi Luigi characters. 720 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: I love yah. 721 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 3: It's pretty like yeah, like I said, we're pretty, we're 722 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 3: pretty rock star out there. 723 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty rockstar. 724 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 2: I love that. 725 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: I also love knowing that you have four kids. You 726 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: just had your fourth child a month old, so congratulations, 727 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: thank you very much. That must be an interesting context 728 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: switch to right, Like you're going on tour in a 729 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: couple of weeks, so soon they're going to be on 730 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: tour September to October. Right, it must be so wild 731 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: going home and being in dad, I would like talk 732 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: about it. It's a switch right. 733 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 3: Oh you know there's like a group of US dads 734 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 3: and country music Tyler Hubbard Thomas, Rhett, Russell, Dickerson, Cordy Kent, 735 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 3: And I mean, I know there's more out there, like 736 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 3: Dirk's is talked about it, but there you know, ours 737 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 3: are like kind of in the same age range me, 738 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 3: Thomas Russell Tyler. So Thomas told me one day when 739 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 3: he's like, you know, we were just talking about family 740 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 3: and stuff, and he's like, man, there's nothing more humbling 741 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 3: than being on the road where you know it's catering 742 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,479 Speaker 3: and people are walking you around and it's like, hey, 743 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 3: I need this and somebody's gonna go get it and 744 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:42,879 Speaker 3: bring it back to you. 745 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:43,399 Speaker 2: Play the show. 746 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 3: Everybody's screaming at you, singing it's it's awesome. And then 747 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 3: you get home on Sunday morning and you walk in 748 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 3: and immediately met with like, hey, Dak, can I get 749 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 3: some oras juice? And it's like everything that just happened 750 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 3: is gone. They don't care who you are, they don't 751 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 3: care how many songs you've had out you know, you're 752 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 3: just dad, and it's very humbling and the most awesome 753 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 3: thing out there. 754 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, the word normal I think is 755 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: the best because you need those things that just make 756 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: you feel normal and grounded. 757 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 3: And I'm the least cool to any of my kids. Okay, 758 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 3: like they would rather listen to they never listen to 759 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 3: my songs. Oh well they will maybe hopefully. 760 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, your girls are going to be like, Dad, you 761 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: need to write me a song for my wedding. 762 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. 763 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: They that's the real. 764 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 2: Work's gonna get That one's gonna be a tough one. 765 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: Tough critics. 766 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,320 Speaker 2: They love Luke Luke colmb's Luke Bryn. 767 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 3: My daughter's obsessed with Meghan Maroony so like it's everybody 768 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,879 Speaker 3: but me that gets played in my house. 769 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: So well, you've got your new album Learn the Hard 770 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 1: Way coming out August fifteenth. First of all, where did 771 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: the name come from? I feel like it's kind of 772 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: self explanatory, but where'd the name come from? And also, 773 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: what are you excited about about this new album. 774 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 3: I've been learning things the hard way my whole life, Uh, 775 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 3: pretty hard headed, I think going back to even you know, 776 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 3: as a kid, uh, you know, working for my dad. Uh, 777 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 3: my dad had a furniture polsry company. I was always 778 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 3: every summer was spent working there. So like I was 779 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 3: trying to come up with ways to get out of 780 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 3: work every day, you know, through college, made a lot 781 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 3: of stupid mistakes and even too like. 782 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 2: Going you know, moving to Nashville. 783 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 3: In those early years of being in town, there were 784 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 3: some things that I just hadn't learned, learned the tough 785 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 3: way in to where even now you know the the 786 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 3: balance I think now the thing I'm kind of struggling 787 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,879 Speaker 3: with is the balance between working home. 788 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 2: How much is working too much? You know? 789 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 3: But in my opinion, the best way to learn anything 790 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 3: is is maybe getting your hands slapped a little bit. 791 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 2: Uh, it sticks with you enough. 792 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 3: So and I think a lot of these songs kind 793 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 3: of point to that. You know, I wanted to have 794 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 3: fun making this record. I wanted to have I wanted 795 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 3: these songs to be fun to play live, and I 796 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,839 Speaker 3: wanted to kind of take some chances. So I think 797 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 3: there's a lot of songs on here that are going 798 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 3: to be a new sound to my fans, something I 799 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 3: haven't done before. I've got a couple of great collabs 800 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 3: on it. Carly Pierce's on one. Marcus King, who I'm 801 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 3: a huge fan of, is on one. So up to 802 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 3: this date, it's I think it's the best record I've 803 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 3: ever made. 804 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 1: Who's a dream collab for you somebody that you haven't 805 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: collapbed with yet, but you're like, oh god one day. 806 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 3: I'm a huge Alice Keys fan, so like anything with 807 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,280 Speaker 3: Alis Keys, I think that was like when. 808 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 2: Somebody's like, have you ever been starstruck? You know? I 809 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 2: was at an. 810 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 3: iHeart Awards and Alicia Keys walked down the hallway I 811 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 3: was in. That was probably the closest I've ever been 812 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 3: to being like, oh, wow, she's really good. 813 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: It'd be cool to hear your sounds merged. 814 00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's I mean, she's just amazing. Alicia Key, I 815 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 3: mean john legend like that. 816 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 2: Those are wow. 817 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: So not these aren't country artists, these are like yeah. 818 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 3: I mean I'm a massive music fan. I mean obviously 819 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 3: country is the one that I kind of always get 820 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 3: pulled to, but yeah, I mean I think I mean, 821 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 3: those they're just crazy talented, you know. 822 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 2: I think in country, Luke was a big one for me. 823 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 2: You know, so it's kind of like, how do you 824 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 2: beat that? 825 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 3: That was the guy man, like, you know, he was 826 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 3: the radio so and still kind of is. 827 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 1: So. 828 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think those are legend and a last Keyser, 829 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 3: they're pretty up there. 830 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: We're gonna manifest it happening now that you spoke it 831 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: into the universe, it's gonna happen. 832 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 2: They have no clue who I am, but maybe one day. 833 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: They know they know who you are. Okay, Well, major 834 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: US tour coming up in tandem with this new album. 835 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 1: We've been teasing it. What is the tour name? It's 836 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: not Learned the Hard Way, Ain't Enough Road and it's 837 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: from September eleventh to October twenty fifth. You're hitting some 838 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 1: legendary stops. We've got Red Rocks, Radio, City of Music Hall, yep, 839 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: for you. 840 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 3: It's gonna be pretty special. So I can't wait. I mean, 841 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 3: this is we just wrap rehearsals up last week and 842 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 3: this is the best show we've ever put together off 843 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,839 Speaker 3: of the heels of I think my best record I've done. 844 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,839 Speaker 3: So it's gonna be a gonna be a fun fall. 845 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,879 Speaker 1: What can we expect to see you on stage doing? 846 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 1: Are you going to be dancing? Like? What? 847 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 2: A you don't want to see that? 848 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: What is the on stage? What is your on stage performance? 849 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 2: I feel like I move. I do move a lot 850 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 2: on stage, but yeah, you don't want to see me dancing. 851 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: You're getting flow up there. I have to come to the. 852 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 2: Radio City Music. No, you have to love. We'd love 853 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 2: to have you all there. 854 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 3: It's going to be That's a that's a bucket list 855 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 3: spot for me and my kids because they come up 856 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,320 Speaker 3: here for Christmas every year. So the fact that Dad's 857 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 3: playing on the same stage that the Rockets dance on, 858 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 3: my daughter thinks is awesome. It is awesome, So I'm 859 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 3: pretty excited about it though. 860 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much, Jordan. It is so cool 861 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: to get to know you today. 862 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 2: This is a blast, and thank you for making me 863 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 2: run a mile. 864 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: That was awesome anytime. Thank you so much for listening 865 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: to today's episode with Jordan. This week concludes our three 866 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 1: week streak of country artists. But don't worry, guys, there 867 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 1: are plenty more coming very soon, and I wish I 868 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: could tell you who they are now, but I don't 869 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 1: want to jinx it. But maybe if you're into it, 870 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: you guys can slide into my dms and guests who 871 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 1: we're having on the show. 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