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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. On this

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Speaker 1: edition we have Chris Williamson with us. He is the

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Speaker 1: host of the very excellent Modern Wisdom podcast, which you

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Speaker 1: can get wherever you get your podcast, Spotify, et cetera. Chris,

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Speaker 1: first time of the program, Sir, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, mister Sexton. How are we?

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Speaker 1: I'm you know, pretty good man, pretty good. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to give you just the floor for a minute here

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Speaker 1: to tell everybody. Generally, we have people, So a lot

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Speaker 1: of this is going to be people from the Clay

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Speaker 1: and Buck audience who subscribe to our podcast and they

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Speaker 1: hear this, and they usually know our folks from radio

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Speaker 1: world or conservative media world more broadly. But you're a

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Speaker 1: You're just like a real deal podcast or a guy.

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Speaker 1: You're a jack of many trades. You're a guy who

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Speaker 1: crosses all boundaries and backgrounds in terms of the kind

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Speaker 1: of people who listen. So just tell everybody who is

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Speaker 1: Chris Williams. Where'd this guy come from? With the cool accent?

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Speaker 2: So born in the northeast of the spent fifteen years

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Speaker 2: running one of the biggest events companies in the UK,

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Speaker 2: one thousand Club Nights stood on the front door of

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Speaker 2: cold Northeast evenings, I met about a million people, did

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Speaker 2: a bunch of reality TV, got a blue tick on Twitter,

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Speaker 2: and free charcoal, toothpaste and all of the big wins,

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Speaker 2: and then kind of got toward the end of my

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Speaker 2: twenties and thought, is this really all that I've got

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Speaker 2: to offer the world? Started a podcast, really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: Podcast kicked off, did very very well, and a year

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Speaker 2: and a bit ago I made the choice to become

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Speaker 2: an immigrant to your great nation. Survived my first July fourth,

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Speaker 2: very difficult day for me, and I've done two Thanksgivings

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Speaker 2: now and I think that pretty much means that I'm

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Speaker 2: here to stay.

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Speaker 1: That's fantastic. I was going to say, the first step

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Speaker 1: is getting you to become an American, which is obviously

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Speaker 1: the best decision anybody can make from the UK to

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Speaker 1: anywhere else. But then it would be to get you

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Speaker 1: to a wonderful red state in America. But I believe

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Speaker 1: you already inhabit one in Texas. Yes, you know, the

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Speaker 1: Florida Texas. You know how there's like Yankees red Sox,

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Speaker 1: and there's these rivalries, the Florida Texas red state rivalry.

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Speaker 1: Which is a friendly but increasingly fierce one, because you know,

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Speaker 1: Texas was the heart of conservatism in America for a while,

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Speaker 1: certainly for the last few decades, and it was actually

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Speaker 1: California a little bit before that, which people forget. But

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Speaker 1: that's a whole other conversation if you go way way

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Speaker 1: back to that, you know, the eighties. But now you

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Speaker 1: have Florida up in its game in a big way.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get to that a little bit later. Let's

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Speaker 1: start with this. You do a podcast which allows you

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Speaker 1: to find out the most interesting things from people who

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Speaker 1: are trying to find out the most important things in

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Speaker 1: their discipline, their area. What's just when someone says to you, like,

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Speaker 1: what do you get from modern wisdom?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: What am I going to learn about? I mean, I

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Speaker 1: actually think it's interesting. I know this is like becoming

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Speaker 1: a podcast about your podcast, But what are some of

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Speaker 1: the things that you've learned from talking to these people,

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Speaker 1: these whatever, thought leaders, gurus, intellectuals, all you have, all

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Speaker 2: So I've had about six hundred episodes, now one hundred

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Speaker 2: plus New York Times bestsellers. People like John Peterson, Andrew Human,

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Speaker 2: David Goggins, Jocko Willink, et cetera, et cetera. You'll learn

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Speaker 2: awful lot. My curiosity is pretty big. One of the

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Speaker 2: I think everyone is un impressed by the work ethic

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I wonder why that's the case. I don't disagree with them.

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Speaker 2: That's been something that I've been very interested in recently.

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Speaker 2: Declining birth rates has been something else I've been very

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Speaker 2: interested in recently. But the show for me is mostly

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Speaker 2: about finding out about myself and the world around me,

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Speaker 2: understanding human nature, why I am the way I am.

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Speaker 1: And really, let's talk about GenZ thing for a second, right,

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Speaker 1: And I hear from them, right. I hear from the

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Speaker 2: I do always wonder whether every generation considers the one

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Speaker 2: whether we are now slowly turning into the boomers that

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Speaker 2: we've been criticized by for a long time. But there

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Speaker 2: called the GSS study. There's a ten percentage points gap

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Speaker 2: just report high levels of happiness, they also report higher

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Speaker 2: levels of meaning in their lives. There's a positive association

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Speaker 2: And liberals are only happier than conservatives in five out

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Speaker 2: So there is something going on, I think with the

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Speaker 1: To I believe. I believe that leftism is a pathway

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Speaker 1: And I know people say, what does leftism even mean?

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Speaker 1: And we can get into all the definitional debates over

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Speaker 1: I think with some specificity in the American context, the

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Speaker 1: the replacement of it with the worship of the self.

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Speaker 1: I mean a sollipsism right, the center of the universe

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Speaker 1: which means there's a market for it. But also politically,

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Speaker 1: just throwing some ideas out to you. I mean, how

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Speaker 2: I think that if everything is a perceived injustice, you

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Speaker 2: have a combination. In the digital age, right, you are

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Speaker 2: constantly exposed to new outrages. Just everybody is. All of

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Speaker 2: we have that's coming in. But cultural elites who constantly

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Speaker 2: create new outrages out of nothing has skyrocketed number of

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Speaker 2: holds performative empathy, if it says that standing up for

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Speaker 2: that means in a world prickling with provocations, your sensibility

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Speaker 2: goaded by every visible indignation, You're endlessly distracted from your goals.

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Speaker 2: You're easily controlled by emotional manipulation from trolls, disinformation agents,

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Speaker 2: perfect cocktail of performative empathy which leads to real vulnerability,

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Speaker 1: And on the problems that gen z young women particularly face,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know that there are not that many

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Speaker 1: That makes the numbers seem a little bit more digestible, right,

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Speaker 1: like it's a pandemic of its own, not one that's

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Speaker 2: Sixty percent of US girls reported persistent sadness and hopelessness.

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Speaker 2: That's the current state of I think it's under sixteens

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Speaker 2: a one to two percent mortality rate. This is making

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Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot of things going on.

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Speaker 2: I think social media has an awful lot to answer for.

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Speaker 2: You are comparing yourself with the greatest lives that you

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Speaker 2: and the gap between the life that you could lead

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Speaker 2: more present out in front. I think that there's some

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Speaker 1: Tell tell me more about this, because I I feel

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Speaker 1: like when I was, you know, high school and college age,

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Speaker 1: being sexually active. It'll regulate your period, it'll clear up

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Speaker 2: You know, that's not good either. No, I think that

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Speaker 2: which means that there is no single silver bullets to

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Speaker 2: fix it. Some of the suggestions that I think that

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Speaker 2: would be fruitful would be encouraging in person dating. Again,

436
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Speaker 2: so since the advent of me Too, which was a

437
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Speaker 2: much needed pushback against men that were using their positions

438
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Speaker 2: of power to manipulate women into sex, which is not

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Speaker 2: something that anybody man or woman should want. However, it

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Speaker 2: can overc and take it to the situation where women

441
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Speaker 2: are terrified to be approached by men, and men are

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Speaker 2: terrified to do the approaching, which means that you've seen

443
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Speaker 2: these Jim TikTok videos of guys that will go over

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Speaker 2: and ask if the girl needs help unloading her glutbridge,

445
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 2: deadlift workout or whatever, and then now on TikTok to

446
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 2: a few million people being called a creep. That sets

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Speaker 2: a very worrying precedent because eighty six percent of women

448
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Speaker 2: say that they want a man to make the first move,

449
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Speaker 2: but eighty percent of men say that they will not

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Speaker 2: approach a woman for fear of being seen as creepy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's well, I think to tell people, you know,

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Speaker 1: my dad, I will tell you, uh, he was always

453
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Speaker 1: he was always you know, you gotta you gotta, you

454
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: gotta ask, you know, you gotta ask for for the number,

455
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: you've gotta get it. And if you get rejected, it's fine.

456
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Speaker 1: You just take it like a man, you say, well,

457
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Speaker 1: it's nice to you know. And this was sort of

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Speaker 1: part of manhood training for I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are not just me, for whatever that's worth. But

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Speaker 1: now I mean I think that I mean, you mentioned

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Speaker 1: those videos. There's one video where some woman a guy

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Speaker 1: looks in or this one went super viral. You saw,

463
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Speaker 1: I'm sure too, looked in her general direction, and she

464
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Speaker 1: like starts in with him like what are you looking at?

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Speaker 1: And he's like, I work here, Like what are you

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Speaker 1: even talking about? And I work in a gym, I

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Speaker 1: mean work, yeah, right, I occasionally go to I have

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Speaker 1: time the elliptical machines in a gym near me, but

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Speaker 1: it is in Miami. There are women who have set Oh,

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Speaker 1: first of all, they're basically wearing lingerie and second of all,

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Speaker 1: which is fine, but I mean, you know, you are

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Speaker 1: wearing very very very little to work out. I mean

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Speaker 1: there are levels here, but they're setting up cameras in

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Speaker 1: the lingerie in the public gym to videotape themselves working out.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen this too.

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Speaker 2: The tripod squad.

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Speaker 1: Yep. We oh wow, there's a term for it.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know there's a there's a term for everything,

479
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 2: there's a meme for everything. But yeah, I'm very I

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Speaker 2: think that that trend is very quickly being reversed. I

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Speaker 2: think that women understand that everybody pushed back against those videos, right,

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Speaker 2: everyone has pushed back against them because it was seen

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Speaker 2: as ridiculous, but yeah, man, eighty six percent of women

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Speaker 2: so they want a man to the first move in.

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Speaker 2: Eighty percent of men say they're terrified of approaching a

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Speaker 2: woman for being seen as creepy. In a world where

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Speaker 2: one in three men hasn't had sex in the last

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Speaker 2: year aged eighteen to thirty, that tripled from eight to

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Speaker 2: twenty eight percent from two thousand and eight to twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: In a world with that, we need to be doing

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Speaker 2: things to foster more of these kind of relationships. And

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Speaker 2: I know that you were going to talk about masculinity.

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Speaker 2: One very probably the most shocking stat that I've learned

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Speaker 2: over the last year is that fifty percent of men

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Speaker 2: said that they are not looking for casual or long

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Speaker 2: term relationships aged eighteen to thirty, sixty one percent in

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, it's down fifty percent. Now, both you and

498
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 2: me have been through the ages of eighteen to thirty

499
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Speaker 2: and understand the reality bending torment of the male sex

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Speaker 2: drive during those ages. If you can imagine that one

501
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Speaker 2: in two men is saying they are not looking for

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Speaker 2: either casual relationships or long term relationships, that's very worrying.

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Speaker 1: How much of a role you know that there's these

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Speaker 1: there's these groups that have let's say groups, you know,

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Speaker 1: these ideas, memes, you know whatever. You know, you'll hear this.

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Speaker 1: But I think actually in the UK, wasn't there wasn't

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Speaker 1: there perier where there was a whole like no wanking

508
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: was a thing. These groups say no fat, thank you, sorry,

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Speaker 1: sorry close, I was close, No fat exactly. This is

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Speaker 1: a real thing for people to think that I'm being crazy,

511
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: and but I've seen others who are making this and

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Speaker 1: it always ties in really to I mean that's a

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Speaker 1: little more specific, but the proliferation of pornography. I mean, ever,

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Speaker 1: everyone always talks about this. You know technology. Obviously, technology

515
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: comes with great things, there's downsides. We're of all figuring

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Speaker 1: this out. Hopefully Chris and I aren't both gonna end

517
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Speaker 1: up being replaced by AI machines the next few years.

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Speaker 1: But it seems to me that the proliferation of pornography

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Speaker 1: online is something that humanity wasn't really prepared for and

520
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: is just starting to figure out how bad it is

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Speaker 1: for these site. I mean I tell people this like

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Speaker 1: I made a gosh going on like fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 1: I was just like noborn done. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: see it. I don't want to look at it. I

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Speaker 1: don't you know, And I found it was both freeing

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Speaker 1: and helpful as a guide. Just be like I just

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Speaker 1: don't do that.

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Speaker 2: There are a few supernormal stimuli in the modern world,

529
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: so French fries would be one of them. The saltiness,

530
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: the crunchiness, the fluffiness is a food that we would

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00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: have not been evolved to being able to deal with.

532
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 2: And you were able to see now within twenty minutes

533
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: on a single iPhone more women than you would be

534
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: exposed to in your entire life, ancessrually, So it is

535
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: absolutely something that's a supernormal stimuli. One slight white pill

536
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: that should push back against too much concern is that

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00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: the story you tell yourself around your porn news seems

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00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: to be very, very instrumental in how it affects you.

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Speaker 2: That porn is not quite neutral, porn use is not

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Speaker 2: quite neutral, But if you have a relatively healthy relationship

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Speaker 2: with it, and if you do have a partner, if

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Speaker 2: you're not hiding your use from your partner, and if

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Speaker 2: you don't feel ashamed after you use it, that is

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Speaker 2: a pretty good market. Those people seem to be able

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Speaker 2: to kind of continue to move through life.

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Speaker 1: Now, one of the problems are using it on an

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Speaker 1: instruction basis. Perhaps DIY feel to it, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It seems that way, Yes, But as you said, you

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00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: almost anybody that realizes that they don't like what porn

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00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: does in the world is probably not going to feel

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00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: particularly good if they use it themselves. Now, the problem

552
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 2: comes if you have someone like that who doesn't do

553
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Speaker 2: what you did and recount use of porn and say,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to bother using this anymore. If you

555
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 2: have someone who doesn't like it but continues to use it,

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00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: that is a recipe for bad relationships, for reduced sex drive.

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Speaker 2: It seems to have a downstream a pretty big host

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Speaker 2: of stuff. Couple that with social media and video games,

559
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Speaker 2: and you have muted a lot of men's goal seeking

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Speaker 2: and reproductive chasing behavior.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask about how society is also suppressing

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Speaker 1: what I would argue are mass skill and virtues and

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Speaker 1: what you've come across from your conversations, both your own

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Speaker 1: research and conversations with experts about that. We'll get to

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Speaker 1: So I'm speaking to Chris Williamson here life genius. This

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Speaker 1: guy knows all kinds of things about how to lead

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Speaker 1: a life rooted in modern wisdom. Also the name of

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Speaker 1: his of his podcast, and uh, that's where I can

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Speaker 1: also now take the conversation two. It feels like what

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Speaker 1: would have been described as a well, but how old

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Speaker 1: are you? I can't I don't even know how old

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Speaker 1: you are?

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Speaker 2: Thirty five?

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Speaker 1: Thirty five? All right, so we're I mean, I'm forty one,

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Speaker 1: so I'm a little bit, you know, just wait to

602
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Speaker 1: get to be my age. Your shoulders start to hurt

603
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: for no reason, your knees already that already that book.

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Speaker 1: You probably do a lot of yoga and stuff though

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00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: here anyway, but you got like five or six years.

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Speaker 1: But what what what we grew up with as the

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Speaker 1: masculine virtues? It seems increasingly there really, there really is

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Speaker 1: a broad societal effort to make that stuff, I mean,

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Speaker 1: toxic masculinity is the obvious phrase that's used, but to

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Speaker 1: suppress it. And starting also at a very young age,

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Speaker 1: you know, for young men, you know they're I mean

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Speaker 1: your boys, even their rambunctiousness. There the things that we

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Speaker 1: would associate with boys will be boys and they get

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Speaker 1: older and this is what a man should be. Feels

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Speaker 1: like society is trying to turn all that on its head.

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Speaker 1: How much of that is real and how bad is

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Speaker 1: it if it is real?

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Speaker 2: I think that there are some real concerns to do

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Speaker 2: with how society sees boys in masculinity at the moment

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Speaker 2: you spoke about toxic masculinity. I actually found recently, for

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Speaker 2: a debate that I did out in Qatar, a bunch

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Speaker 2: of different headlines that were accused of being toxic masculinity

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Speaker 2: that come through in the mainstream media recently, Brexit toxic masculinity,

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Speaker 2: the election of Donald Trump, not wearing a mask, eating meat,

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Speaker 2: physical fitness toxic masculinity, hip hop, smelling of axe body

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Speaker 2: spray was toxic masculinity, being intro fit.

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Speaker 1: To be fair, the stuff I don't, I'm not a fan.

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Speaker 1: I keep going.

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Speaker 2: Pretty oppressive, playing board games, being interested in cars and

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Speaker 2: saying hello or have a nice day. So there are

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Speaker 2: what used to be simply unpleasant or perhaps slightly distasteful

632
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: behavior by men has now become pathologized. And if you

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Speaker 2: want to guarantee men not engaging in a conversation, you

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Speaker 2: want to pathologize them. You want to basically make it

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Speaker 2: out that there is something inside of them that needs

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00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: to be exhumed or exercised. Right like original sin, you

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00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: are broken. You are ultimately, it is your fault. And

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Speaker 2: when we come to parts of masculinity that we probably

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Speaker 2: should keep a hold of. The twenty twelve shooting in Aurora, Colorado,

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Speaker 2: the Dark Knight movie premiere. So the shooter is a

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Speaker 2: twenty four year old male, and in the midst of

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Speaker 2: the onslaught there's three men twenty four, twenty six, and

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Speaker 2: twenty seven who threw themselves on top of their girlfriends

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Speaker 2: as these bullets are shot into the crowd. All three

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Speaker 2: men died, all three women survived. That is precisely the

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Speaker 2: kind of masculinity that will be gotten rid of if

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Speaker 2: you want to throw baby, bathwater, and bath out all together.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and it seems that unfortunately this is also playing

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Speaker 1: out of me. And I just had I've had a

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Speaker 1: lot of people with military and special operations backgrounds on

651
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Speaker 1: both radio for many many years now, and then even

652
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Speaker 1: on the podcast, we had a Kiowa female Kiowa combat

653
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Speaker 1: pilot multiple tours overseas, you know, flying one of those

654
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Speaker 1: helicopters that's got rocket pods on it and machine guns

655
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Speaker 1: and was doing all the stuff that one does in

656
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Speaker 1: a combat zone. And she said that the military is

657
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Speaker 1: now being toyed with and there's a social engineering that's

658
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Speaker 1: going on that's meant to undermine the basic ethos of

659
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Speaker 1: people that have to be willing to put their lives online,

660
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Speaker 1: not necessarily in the same context as what you just mentioned,

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Speaker 1: but for their country as well as, you know, for

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Speaker 1: their comrades and arms. So I do think something's going

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Speaker 1: on there. But switching gears for a second, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the things, I mean, I came across your work.

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Speaker 1: I've seen it on the TikTok and some other places,

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Speaker 1: and there are moments I think there are distill there

667
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 1: are distilled moments of insight from the work that you're

668
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Speaker 1: doing that are particularly poign in that very memorable for people.

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Speaker 1: What's something though, that you've come away from one of

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Speaker 1: your conversations that you say to yourself, is a difficult

671
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Speaker 1: truth that people need to hear that you just you know,

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Speaker 1: you want to spread the word about it, but you

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Speaker 1: know people don't. What is a difficult truth that people

674
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Speaker 1: think I want to find a way around that I

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Speaker 1: want to argue with Chris on that you're like, no,

676
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Speaker 1: this is the way it is.

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Speaker 2: So two would come to mind. One is that regrets

678
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Speaker 2: are inevitable in life, that they're not a bug of life.

679
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Speaker 2: They're a feature. You are going to have regrets in life.

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Speaker 2: And when it comes to choosing between different things, a

681
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 2: much smarter question to ask yourself would be which regret

682
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: can I live with? As opposed to which thing do

683
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Speaker 2: I want to do? Because what you realize is over

684
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: time you're going to accumulate regrets and those are the

685
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 2: things that are going to hurt a lot. So if

686
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Speaker 2: you do end up being faced with a difficult challenge,

687
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: one that is risky but is going to be fulfilling,

688
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: and we'll close a loop and will mean that for

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Speaker 2: the rest of your life you don't ever have to

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Speaker 2: wonder about whether or not you could have what should

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Speaker 2: have done? That thing? That's something that's very good. The

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Speaker 2: other thing, and this is A good question that I

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Speaker 2: love to ask friends at dinner parties is what is

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Speaker 2: currently being ignored by the media, but in future will

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Speaker 2: be studied by historians. And it's my belief that the

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Speaker 2: birth rate decline at the moment is something which nobody

697
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Speaker 2: is paying attention to. Climate change is the current existential

698
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Speaker 2: crisis that is given an awful lot of focus, and

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Speaker 2: in thirty or forty years, you are going to have huge,

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Speaker 2: huge cities all around the world with no one in them.

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Speaker 1: Let's come back and dive into that in one set.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the declining birth rate globally. Because my friends,

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Speaker 1: I had to get approval from the wife. Chris. Okay, actually,

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Speaker 2: Your wife has veto power over your facial hah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she has veto power it, because come on, I mean,

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Speaker 1: who else is really you know what I mean? If

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Speaker 1: I had full Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like it's all

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Speaker 1: really matters, all right. So we were talking about declining

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Speaker 1: birth rates. Mean I remember, I'm sure you've read it.

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Speaker 1: There was the Mark Stein book America Alone. I think

747
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Speaker 1: it was maybe came out fifteen years ago and just

748
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Speaker 1: crunching the numbers, and it was basically, the West is

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Speaker 1: done over a long enough time frame just based on

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Speaker 1: the declining birth rate except America. But now America is

751
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Speaker 1: actually heading the laun trajectory too. Tell me what's going

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Speaker 1: on here with declining birth rates? We can start globally,

753
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Speaker 1: think we'd bring it home to the US of A.

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Speaker 2: So seventy percent of people around the world to live

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Speaker 2: in a country which is below the birthrate tipping point,

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Speaker 2: which is two point one children per woman. I don't

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Speaker 2: know whether this is a something to be happy about

758
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Speaker 2: or not, but the worst places in the world are

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Speaker 2: currently in the East, so Korea. South Korea's birthrate is

760
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Speaker 2: not too point eight, noto point eight, which is absolutely insane.

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Speaker 2: Japan erode just over one one point two. So let's

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Speaker 2: say Japan's got aboute hundred and twenty million people in

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Speaker 2: it or so by twenty fifty that's going to be

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Speaker 2: sixty million, China one point two billion by twenty fifty,

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Speaker 2: six hundred and fifty million. So it is a precipitous decline,

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Speaker 2: very very aggressive. When you get across to the US,

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Speaker 2: I think it's in the high ones one point seven

768
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Speaker 2: ish one point six, one point seven, one point eight.

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Speaker 2: Not great. Now you can fix this problem to a

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Speaker 2: degree with immigration, but not massively because even South American

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Speaker 2: countries are having declining birth rates. So overall, you can

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Speaker 2: move bits of the pie around on the world as

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Speaker 2: much as you want, but the pie is still continuing

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Speaker 2: to get smaller, and it is very very concerning.

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Speaker 1: Why aren't people having more babies in developed countries? And

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously we know in the third world that's

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Speaker 1: very different.

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Speaker 2: In the third world, they're declining as well, by one

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Speaker 2: child per mother every fifteen years. So let's say you

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Speaker 2: go to Ghana, you go to Chad somewhere like that,

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Speaker 2: eight and it's seven, then it's six, then it's five

782
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Speaker 2: each fifteen years, it's going down. It seems like as

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Speaker 2: soon as you industrialize country and you educate the women

784
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Speaker 2: and give them the opportunity to do other things, those

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Speaker 2: other life paths begin to compete with family life. And

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Speaker 2: it's not the interesting stat The most interesting stat around

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Speaker 2: this is the average number of children per mother hasn't changed.

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Speaker 2: It's the number of motherless women or childless women that

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Speaker 2: has increased. So if you have your first, it's likely

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Speaker 2: that you will go on to have a second, and

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Speaker 2: a third and so on and so forth. The large

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Speaker 2: difference is in the number of women who never starts

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Speaker 2: to have the first go ahead, go ahead, just that's

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Speaker 2: that is the highest point of leverage. And it seems

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Speaker 2: that the most common reason, as we said before, eight

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Speaker 2: out of ten women broke through that fertility window, didn't

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Speaker 2: intend to not have children. Most common reason is life circumstance.

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Speaker 2: Didn't find a partner within time because that fertility window's

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Speaker 2: been squeezed by a combination of education, employment, and you

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Speaker 2: could say raising living costs. All that stuff you know,

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Speaker 2: might be getting in the way people feel like they

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Speaker 2: need a two income household. Absolutely potential, But.

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Speaker 1: Okod, what do the numbers tell us about female life

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Speaker 1: satisfaction when it comes to pursuing family as the first

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Speaker 1: priority versus a career.

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Speaker 2: The current longest study of happiness is the Harvard Study

807
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Speaker 2: of Adult Development. It's been going for decades and decades

808
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Speaker 2: and decades, and they've studied the same people, and then

809
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: they've studied the children of these people. The strongest predictor

810
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Speaker 2: of your health outcomes in life, of your happiness, of

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Speaker 2: your resilience are your number of family, friend, and romantic partners.

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Speaker 2: That's it. It's relationships all the way down. Friends, family,

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Speaker 2: and romantic partner. That's what is the best predictor for everything,

814
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Speaker 2: every health outcome that you care to care about.

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Speaker 1: So that actually pivots us nicely into what I wanted

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Speaker 1: to ask you about as well, because I know that

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Speaker 1: one of the things you've done on Modern Wisdom podcast

818
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Speaker 1: want to check out is you've sat down with a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who are super high achievers and also

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Speaker 1: people who study super high achievers. And I listened to

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Speaker 1: your episode with David Senra Is that right? Isn't my

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Speaker 1: Getting his Name Right podcast? Yeah, founder's podcast I've listened to,

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Speaker 1: and I listened to you talk to him, and then

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Speaker 1: I listened to a number of Cenra's episodes. I love

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Speaker 1: the Enzo Ferrari and yeah, but one thing, And I

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Speaker 1: know you've touched on this, and I just wanted your

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Speaker 1: your take, and I know you've discussed this and other forums.

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Speaker 1: But because I think about this all the time, and

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Speaker 1: I think about this in the people that I see

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Speaker 1: around me. I mean, growing up in New York City,

831
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Speaker 1: I certainly saw and was around people who were at

832
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Speaker 1: that level of success where they are famous, rich and powerful,

833
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Speaker 1: beyond the wildest dreams of you know, ninety nine point

834
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Speaker 1: nine nine nine percent of the population, and some of

835
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Speaker 1: them were deeply miserable with horrific personal lives. And I

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Speaker 1: was close enough to it. I mean I would sometimes

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Speaker 1: be in the you know, I was like friends with

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Speaker 1: the kids or the grandkids right, Like I would be

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Speaker 1: in the house with and I'd say, okay, well you

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Speaker 1: got you know, you got fifteen billion or whatever, and

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Speaker 1: you've got a lot of properties. But you're also on

842
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Speaker 1: wife number four. Your kids hate your guts, and you

843
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: know you and you look like you could keel over

844
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Speaker 1: at any moment. You're only in like your sixties or

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Speaker 1: fifties or whatever. You get the idea, is extreme excellence

846
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: worth the trade off for most people? No?

847
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 2: In short, no, I don't think so. I think that

848
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Speaker 2: if you were to see the inner texture of most

849
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: of the people that you admire as minds, you would

850
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: feel far more pity than envy for them. That the

851
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: price that most people pay to be absolute top peak

852
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: flight achievers, it's unbearable. It's an unbelievably high cost. And

853
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: there was this really interesting study where they looked at

854
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 2: the most common qualities that elite achievers had the most

855
00:43:54,920 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 2: successful people. What they had three things, superiority, complex insecurity,

856
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: and impulse control. Superiority complex you believe that you can

857
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 2: do more than other people. Crippling insecurity it drives you

858
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: to prove people wrong. And impulse control you can focus

859
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: yourself and move yourself forward. So what does it mean

860
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Speaker 2: that the people who we admire the most, that society

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Speaker 2: says are the most successful, are the ones who have

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Speaker 2: the least admirable internal states? Probably means that you need

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Speaker 2: to work out from first principles what you care about

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Speaker 2: in life, and you need to go after that, as

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Speaker 2: opposed to doing what you think other people do for success,

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Speaker 2: because the people that are the most successful, I think,

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Speaker 2: on average, are more miserable than the normal person.

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Speaker 1: It does seem that what was it the Greeks had?

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Speaker 1: The concept? Was it Metron? Like balance in all Things? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Am I crazy on that one? I don't know. I might.

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Speaker 1: I might just paid something up.

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Speaker 2: Metron sounds like a sci fi show, But I'm down

873
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Speaker 2: for it. If you say it's legit.

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Speaker 1: I might have totally. I might have just yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: hold on a moderation and good measure pan Metron addistan

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Speaker 1: Is that right? Go? Yeah? All right? Yeah? So I

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Speaker 1: was like kind of I was like in the I

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Speaker 1: was in the realm of this is what have you?

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Speaker 1: A podcast? You just say stuff out loud as it

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00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 1: comes into your brain. Right. It was like part of

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Speaker 1: the phrase which is balance in all things or you know,

882
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Speaker 1: everything in moderation. Metron Iris on Everything in moderation. Okay,

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Speaker 1: there we go. Now, I'm it did sound like I

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Speaker 1: had like a you know, a laser canon instead of

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Speaker 1: a hen and I was like, you know, doing somersaults

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Speaker 1: around and shooting wizard people or something. But you know,

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Speaker 1: the same basic idea. All right, man, Chris, I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you making the time. I know you're super busy.

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Speaker 1: Just I wanted to give you this before you go.

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Speaker 1: Everyone check out Modern Wisdom podcast. Obviously, as you can tell,

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00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: I've listened to a whole bunch of episodes myself. That's

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Speaker 1: why I want to have Chris on and what is?

893
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Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about some things that are a

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Speaker 1: little little bit of of a bummer, you could say,

895
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Speaker 1: like the decline and possible collapse of the human species,

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Speaker 1: the destruction of masculinity, a bunch of things female mental health,

897
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: like there's some Look, when you spend time thinking about things,

898
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: it should be about challenges and ways you can fix it,

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Speaker 1: which we've done a little bit of. What What is though,

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Speaker 1: the most if you're just trying to tell people about

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Speaker 1: something that you have found from your work or from

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Speaker 1: your reflection on all things recently that makes you hopeful.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much everybody that's listening to this has spent time

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Speaker 2: imagining just how catastrophic some scenario could occur, right laid

905
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Speaker 2: awake at night, worrying, neurotic thought loops, unable to sleep,

906
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: unable to relax. And yet every single person that is

907
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Speaker 2: sat here listening to us right now has got through

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Speaker 2: whatever challenge they faced. As far as I can see,

909
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 2: everybody is way, way, way more capable, infinitely more capable

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Speaker 2: of dealing whatever life can throw at them than their

911
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: mind predicts that they can be. And yet each time

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00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 2: that we face a challenge, we believe that we're not

913
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Speaker 2: going to be able to overcome it. You think we'll

914
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Speaker 2: hang in a second. I have a stack of undeniable

915
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Speaker 2: proof behind me, every single thing that I've come up against.

916
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Speaker 2: I'm here, I virtue of being here. I've got through it.

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Speaker 2: So I think that resilience is proved one day at

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Speaker 2: a time. Every single person that is out here listening

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Speaker 2: to this, how's that resilience? They have a stack of

920
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Speaker 2: undeniable proof that they can get through whatever the world

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Speaker 2: faces and throws at them.

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Speaker 1: So the reason why everybody to read Shackleton Endurance, which

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Speaker 1: is my favorite book that has been for a long time.

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00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 2: Alfred, Oh my god, dude, phenomenal. Let me give you

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Speaker 2: a suggestion before I go sure. The Forgotten Highlander by

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Speaker 2: Alistair Urkhant, gentlemen is kidnapped by the Japanese in World

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Speaker 2: War Two in Singapore, tortured for five years, builds the

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Speaker 2: bridge over the River Quai, gets knocked off his feet

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Speaker 2: by the bomb blast from Nagasaki, survives it all, and

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Speaker 2: then stays silent for fifty years because of the British government,

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Speaker 2: and writes a memoir calling the Japanese to account. The

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Speaker 2: Forgotten Highlander Alistair Urkhant amazing it.

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Speaker 1: As soon as we're done, Chris Williamson, Man, thank you

934
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Speaker 1: so much, and please come on. We have a radio

935
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Speaker 1: show that you should hang out and this is the podcast.

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Speaker 1: The radio show is about five hundred stations, so it's

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Speaker 1: technically the biggest radio show in the country. We would

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Speaker 1: love to have you on. So just let us know,

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00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: ready to go play and buck Well, we'll get it going. Man,

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Speaker 1: A lot of interesting stuff. I want. I want the

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Speaker 1: conservative audience to hear more of your I know a

942
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: lot of them. Listen to you, but you know I

943
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Speaker 1: want even more of them too, So thank you so much, man,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for making the time.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you. Thank you man,