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Speaker 1: Bushkin. Hey everybody, it's me w Bell. Welcome to episode

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Speaker 1: eleven of Who's with Me. My guest today is Maria Bamford.

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Speaker 1: Before we get too deep into this, I want to

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Speaker 1: and often. So my guest today on the podcast and

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Speaker 1: Maria Bamford. We'll talk about her in a little bit

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Speaker 1: Before I talk about her. She's a woman in comedy,

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Speaker 1: but I want to talk about a couple other women

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Speaker 1: in comedy through the lens of the White House Correspondence

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Speaker 1: dinner that was rescheduled and just happened last Friday. The

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Speaker 1: weird thing is, I didn't know it was rescheduled until

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Speaker 1: after it was over, and on threads people were talking

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Speaker 1: about it a lot, and I was like, man, how

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Speaker 1: the mighty have fallen? That thing? That White House Press

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Speaker 1: Correspondence dinner. Remember the heyday the Obama era. That was

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Speaker 1: also the heyday of twitter when when the White House

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Speaker 1: Correspondence Dinner happened, it was trending worldwide. We were all

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Speaker 1: on there. I don't know if you were, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of me Like if you were somebody who cared

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Speaker 1: about media or politics or making fun of award shows,

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Speaker 1: then you're tuned in. You live tweeted the Press Correspondence dinner.

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Speaker 1: That was that air where, like, you know, big comedians

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Speaker 1: wanted to be there. Obama was killing at the Press

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Speaker 1: Correspondence dinner. Comedians have sometimes had problems following Obama at

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Speaker 1: the Press Correspondence dinner because Obama was too funny. It's

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Speaker 1: also back when Obama roasted a I was say, a

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Speaker 1: young Donald Trump, but a slightly less old Donald Trump. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and Donald Trump sat there and was like, oh wait

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Speaker 1: till I'm president. That's where we saw the exclamation point

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Speaker 1: on Trump's villain origin story. So it happened this past Friday,

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Speaker 1: and it just got me thinking about it because the

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Speaker 1: thing I saw wh people were talking about on threads

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Speaker 1: was that it sucked. Basically, I guess I'd say that.

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Speaker 1: So if you don't know about the White House Press

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Speaker 1: correspondents dinner since nineteen twenty one. It is an event

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Speaker 1: that is hosted by the White House Correspondence Association, which

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Speaker 1: is journalists who cover the White House as their association,

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Speaker 1: and since nineteen twenty one they've had a dinner where

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Speaker 1: they raise money for the next generation of journalists and

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Speaker 1: they also hand out awards to current journalist journists are

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Speaker 1: doing good journalism, and they've always had entertainment, but also

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Speaker 1: they generally invite the president, and every president has gone

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Speaker 1: at least once during their term, except for when Trump

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Speaker 1: this thing that's been happen for over one hundred years

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Speaker 1: but really only sort of starting to get maintream attention. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's the first time I got mayjream attention was when

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Speaker 1: Colbert hosted it when George W. Bush was president, and

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Speaker 1: Colbert took that opportunity to not lightly roast in a

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Speaker 1: Colbert was still doing his character of Stephen Colbert, not

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Speaker 1: and if you watch the footage, Colbert is basically bombing.

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Speaker 1: But he's bombing the way that like Lenny Bruce bombed,

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Speaker 1: or like George Carlin or Richard Pryor bombing. When you're

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Speaker 1: It wasn't quite the way Bill Hicks used to bomb,

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Speaker 1: And I've had friends do it. Housin Minhug has done it.

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Speaker 1: come out, you should no, thank you, And That's what

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Speaker 1: never it's never been a she what he has done.

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Speaker 1: So during Trump's current presidency, they haven't. The White House

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Speaker 2: just want to do my own thing, which is this,

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00:22:05,744 --> 00:22:08,224
Speaker 2: you know, that's a place of privilege, like of going

424
00:22:08,344 --> 00:22:11,904
Speaker 2: like I'm just gonna do what I want to because

425
00:22:12,264 --> 00:22:15,664
Speaker 2: that might work out for me. And I know Jackie

426
00:22:15,704 --> 00:22:18,064
Speaker 2: came for her dad was a salesman and it's like

427
00:22:18,464 --> 00:22:20,824
Speaker 2: this is gonna put groceries on the table, Like it's

428
00:22:20,904 --> 00:22:25,664
Speaker 2: like yeah, it's like so yeah, I sometimes wonder about that,

429
00:22:25,704 --> 00:22:30,704
Speaker 2: like I'm yeah of thinking I definitely have this thing

430
00:22:30,744 --> 00:22:32,984
Speaker 2: where it's like, well, I can't change my act at

431
00:22:33,024 --> 00:22:36,824
Speaker 2: all for anyone, and you know, I don't care how

432
00:22:36,864 --> 00:22:43,624
Speaker 2: poor a time you're having, which yeah, is definitely yeah,

433
00:22:45,224 --> 00:22:48,023
Speaker 2: selfish on my own parties. It's just not an entertainer

434
00:22:48,344 --> 00:22:50,744
Speaker 2: because I've heard other comics say, no, my job here

435
00:22:50,784 --> 00:22:56,104
Speaker 2: is to entertain And I definitely have this hothouse flower

436
00:22:56,224 --> 00:22:57,904
Speaker 2: idea of like no.

437
00:22:57,824 --> 00:23:01,144
Speaker 1: I'm not. I mean, you say it's a privilege, but

438
00:23:01,184 --> 00:23:02,664
Speaker 1: I think I mean because I sort of come to

439
00:23:02,664 --> 00:23:05,023
Speaker 1: this from a different place, like I was an only child,

440
00:23:05,664 --> 00:23:07,464
Speaker 1: so I sort of feel like I know what I

441
00:23:07,584 --> 00:23:09,664
Speaker 1: like and if you don't like that, I'll just go home,

442
00:23:09,704 --> 00:23:10,984
Speaker 1: Like you know, like, I don't need you to like

443
00:23:11,104 --> 00:23:13,184
Speaker 1: what I like. You don't like that that I don't

444
00:23:13,224 --> 00:23:14,784
Speaker 1: need to. We don't need to be in a relationship.

445
00:23:15,064 --> 00:23:18,104
Speaker 1: So it's like, I'll just leave so you don't have

446
00:23:18,144 --> 00:23:19,263
Speaker 1: to deal with what and I can go do what

447
00:23:19,304 --> 00:23:21,263
Speaker 1: I like without you. So I do think there is

448
00:23:21,304 --> 00:23:24,144
Speaker 1: a the privilege of an artist to be like, no,

449
00:23:24,264 --> 00:23:25,664
Speaker 1: this is what the way I want to do it.

450
00:23:25,704 --> 00:23:29,384
Speaker 1: And I always felt like and you're you were sort

451
00:23:29,424 --> 00:23:31,104
Speaker 1: of in that, not even at the early days of this,

452
00:23:31,184 --> 00:23:33,904
Speaker 1: but very clearly like the Communians of comedy era, saying

453
00:23:33,904 --> 00:23:38,304
Speaker 1: comedy doesn't always belong in comedy clubs. Yes, comedy can

454
00:23:38,384 --> 00:23:42,664
Speaker 1: exist outside of a two drink minimum, free tickets, bachelorette party,

455
00:23:42,704 --> 00:23:45,304
Speaker 1: bachelor party. You know that it can. You can do

456
00:23:45,304 --> 00:23:47,303
Speaker 1: it in a place where people actually want to see it.

457
00:23:47,504 --> 00:23:49,784
Speaker 1: And when you do it in other places, people show

458
00:23:49,864 --> 00:23:51,384
Speaker 1: up who weren't going to go to the comedy club.

459
00:23:51,424 --> 00:23:54,104
Speaker 2: Who and you know, and I get there.

460
00:23:54,224 --> 00:23:57,543
Speaker 1: The gateway, people liking stand up comedy, who thought they

461
00:23:57,584 --> 00:23:57,984
Speaker 1: hated it.

462
00:23:57,984 --> 00:24:00,944
Speaker 2: It's all what I'm saying, Yeah, yes, yeah, well I

463
00:24:01,024 --> 00:24:04,584
Speaker 2: love I get that from Branson, Missouri. I don't know, Branson,

464
00:24:04,584 --> 00:24:08,304
Speaker 2: Missouri is like it's like a Vegas for Christians. They

465
00:24:08,304 --> 00:24:11,304
Speaker 2: do show us at eight am. Yes, and so I've

466
00:24:11,304 --> 00:24:13,384
Speaker 2: started doing shows at nine am because I can't get

467
00:24:13,424 --> 00:24:15,984
Speaker 2: up at a am. Sure, and people show up at

468
00:24:16,064 --> 00:24:19,344
Speaker 2: least in Los Angeles, there are enough underemployed people who

469
00:24:19,384 --> 00:24:24,864
Speaker 2: are like what's going on? And yeah, with their babies and.

470
00:24:25,024 --> 00:24:26,664
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when I so, I took a break

471
00:24:26,664 --> 00:24:28,624
Speaker 1: from stand up for about five years. I thought I'd quit,

472
00:24:28,704 --> 00:24:30,984
Speaker 1: and it was like basically twenty eighteen my special came out,

473
00:24:31,424 --> 00:24:32,984
Speaker 1: my wife had our third daughter. I was like, I'll

474
00:24:32,984 --> 00:24:35,024
Speaker 1: take a break till twenty twenty. That didn't end up

475
00:24:35,024 --> 00:24:36,224
Speaker 1: going the way I thought it was going to do,

476
00:24:36,504 --> 00:24:38,504
Speaker 1: so and then I just sort of wasn't doing it.

477
00:24:38,584 --> 00:24:40,944
Speaker 1: And the idea of being in basements making people laugh

478
00:24:41,024 --> 00:24:43,504
Speaker 1: during COVID was not my idea of a good time. Yeah. Yeah,

479
00:24:43,584 --> 00:24:45,824
Speaker 1: so I just thought maybe I'm retired. But then when

480
00:24:45,824 --> 00:24:47,464
Speaker 1: I came back, I really was like, if I'm going

481
00:24:47,544 --> 00:24:49,224
Speaker 1: to come back, I got to make it work better. So,

482
00:24:49,264 --> 00:24:51,864
Speaker 1: like my first I was doing shows at like four

483
00:24:51,904 --> 00:24:55,064
Speaker 1: and seven, just because I was like a lot of

484
00:24:55,064 --> 00:24:57,144
Speaker 1: my audience's parents now or a lot of my audience

485
00:24:57,184 --> 00:24:59,504
Speaker 1: cause't seen in as like older people and they're like,

486
00:24:59,544 --> 00:25:01,664
Speaker 1: we love a four o'clock show, and by seven o'clock

487
00:25:01,664 --> 00:25:03,504
Speaker 1: they're like, this is okay, but it's still a little later,

488
00:25:04,104 --> 00:25:05,784
Speaker 1: so like, I don't want to do at ten o'clock.

489
00:25:05,984 --> 00:25:08,064
Speaker 1: I was just in San Diego with the mic Drop

490
00:25:08,064 --> 00:25:11,024
Speaker 1: Comedy Club and it's like, have you liked the place?

491
00:25:11,144 --> 00:25:12,704
Speaker 1: It was? Love? I love that, it's love it It's

492
00:25:12,704 --> 00:25:14,504
Speaker 1: a great I love the new comedy clubs that have

493
00:25:14,544 --> 00:25:17,344
Speaker 1: opened up by people who actually seem to care about comedy.

494
00:25:16,784 --> 00:25:19,704
Speaker 1: But yeah, just the idea about like I was like

495
00:25:19,744 --> 00:25:21,864
Speaker 1: and I would bring my daughters with me to the shows,

496
00:25:21,944 --> 00:25:23,984
Speaker 1: and my eleven year old would sit on the side

497
00:25:23,984 --> 00:25:25,984
Speaker 1: of the show, and how many times I swear, and

498
00:25:26,064 --> 00:25:28,544
Speaker 1: like my fifty year old sings, she'd sing and open

499
00:25:28,584 --> 00:25:30,224
Speaker 1: the show. I just like, I just wanted to work

500
00:25:30,264 --> 00:25:33,064
Speaker 1: for me, I don't. I mean, I love the Punchline

501
00:25:33,064 --> 00:25:34,704
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, and I love all these clubs, but

502
00:25:34,704 --> 00:25:36,344
Speaker 1: it's like I needed to work for me at this point.

503
00:25:36,384 --> 00:25:39,584
Speaker 1: So thank you. Actually through seeing you on Twitter when

504
00:25:39,584 --> 00:25:41,464
Speaker 1: Twitter was still Twitter, and you'd be like, I want

505
00:25:41,464 --> 00:25:44,504
Speaker 1: to run my set in a coffee shop. I need

506
00:25:44,504 --> 00:25:48,984
Speaker 1: three people, three people to respond and you'd be like, okay,

507
00:25:49,584 --> 00:25:52,424
Speaker 1: can you talk about how you gave yourself permission to

508
00:25:52,504 --> 00:25:55,304
Speaker 1: do these shows at these times that are not traditional?

509
00:25:55,304 --> 00:25:57,264
Speaker 1: And also like when you do it at a nine am show,

510
00:25:57,264 --> 00:25:58,424
Speaker 1: what does that look like? Where are you doing?

511
00:25:59,024 --> 00:26:02,464
Speaker 2: This is a blackpock theater in it like lessen them

512
00:26:02,464 --> 00:26:06,184
Speaker 2: off my neighborhood. So I can walk there and I

513
00:26:06,304 --> 00:26:08,864
Speaker 2: bring donuts, say nobody loses.

514
00:26:09,104 --> 00:26:10,864
Speaker 1: And do you charge it? A?

515
00:26:11,784 --> 00:26:14,464
Speaker 2: I charged for because it's but it's pay what you

516
00:26:14,504 --> 00:26:17,544
Speaker 2: can and it's for the theater. Everything goes to the theater.

517
00:26:17,824 --> 00:26:21,864
Speaker 2: And and yeah, last couple of shows like we sold

518
00:26:21,944 --> 00:26:24,944
Speaker 2: up that you know, sometimes I forget to post and

519
00:26:24,984 --> 00:26:30,544
Speaker 2: then you know, I'm sorry. Yeah, And with the twittering

520
00:26:30,624 --> 00:26:34,424
Speaker 2: or blue skying out there, I need to rehearse my

521
00:26:34,504 --> 00:26:37,984
Speaker 2: jokes because they're very theatrical, and I yeah, that's what

522
00:26:38,024 --> 00:26:40,384
Speaker 2: I do is I memorize everything like it's a high

523
00:26:40,464 --> 00:26:45,384
Speaker 2: coup recited from an iron lung. That's that's how I'm much.

524
00:26:45,424 --> 00:26:49,264
Speaker 2: I'm improvising, not at all, so rehearsing it as long

525
00:26:49,304 --> 00:26:52,264
Speaker 2: as somebody's agreed to say, I, yeah, I got an

526
00:26:52,264 --> 00:26:55,384
Speaker 2: hour and if you buy me a coffee, I'll listen

527
00:26:55,984 --> 00:26:58,024
Speaker 2: that I feel like they've got enough skin in the

528
00:26:58,064 --> 00:27:02,824
Speaker 2: game too. They've said it publicly on this social media

529
00:27:03,144 --> 00:27:08,304
Speaker 2: platform that they're going to be somewhat normal, And yeah,

530
00:27:08,344 --> 00:27:11,464
Speaker 2: I haven't had any weird experiences, only nice people. I've

531
00:27:11,504 --> 00:27:13,664
Speaker 2: had some, you know, people who haven't laughed at all,

532
00:27:13,984 --> 00:27:16,224
Speaker 2: and I've been like, right on, I get.

533
00:27:16,064 --> 00:27:20,584
Speaker 1: It, and so and weren't you also doing them like

534
00:27:20,624 --> 00:27:21,464
Speaker 1: in coffee shops.

535
00:27:22,064 --> 00:27:24,104
Speaker 2: Yeah. So if I'm out of town sometimes if I'm

536
00:27:24,104 --> 00:27:27,744
Speaker 2: feeling kind of, uh, we're clamped alone, only I'll go

537
00:27:28,264 --> 00:27:32,744
Speaker 2: maybe somebody maybe on a coffee phone. And and I

538
00:27:32,904 --> 00:27:35,744
Speaker 2: kind of stopped doing it just because I got worried

539
00:27:35,784 --> 00:27:37,744
Speaker 2: for some people. People were driving.

540
00:27:38,224 --> 00:27:40,263
Speaker 1: Oh my god. They were like, we have benefits three

541
00:27:40,304 --> 00:27:41,944
Speaker 1: hundred miles from here, but she wants me to be

542
00:27:42,024 --> 00:27:42,744
Speaker 1: at a coffee shop.

543
00:27:43,624 --> 00:27:46,504
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna drive twenty four hours overnight. And

544
00:27:46,504 --> 00:27:50,504
Speaker 2: I'm just like, okay that which I love it me too.

545
00:27:50,664 --> 00:27:55,784
Speaker 2: I love to do things that are bananas but moment yeah.

546
00:27:55,824 --> 00:27:57,984
Speaker 2: And also I love one on one I.

547
00:27:58,664 --> 00:28:01,184
Speaker 1: Really I prefer that to.

548
00:28:03,744 --> 00:28:05,864
Speaker 2: You know, when people say, I'm sure people ask you

549
00:28:05,904 --> 00:28:07,464
Speaker 2: to do shows all the time, and they go, we're

550
00:28:07,504 --> 00:28:11,304
Speaker 2: gonna have a great crowd. I don't know, I'm met

551
00:28:11,304 --> 00:28:19,624
Speaker 2: that interested in that. A great crowd, mean three hundred

552
00:28:19,664 --> 00:28:21,624
Speaker 2: people there, but what kind of people.

553
00:28:23,184 --> 00:28:26,184
Speaker 1: Individually? Give me a background check and eat those people.

554
00:28:26,344 --> 00:28:27,944
Speaker 1: What kind of person they are?

555
00:28:28,704 --> 00:28:33,904
Speaker 2: One person who said, I'm totally available via you know

556
00:28:34,104 --> 00:28:38,264
Speaker 2: a typewriter and you know, over a keyboard, and that's

557
00:28:38,544 --> 00:28:42,184
Speaker 2: that's who I'm interested in. And yeah, it hasn't gone

558
00:28:42,264 --> 00:28:44,864
Speaker 2: poorly with the most hilarious thing is when people do

559
00:28:44,984 --> 00:28:48,624
Speaker 2: chores while I'm going through my act or they've got

560
00:28:48,744 --> 00:28:52,824
Speaker 2: kids or this was my favorite. One person said, I

561
00:28:52,864 --> 00:28:55,504
Speaker 2: totally fucked up. I thought I had time. I've got

562
00:28:55,544 --> 00:28:58,224
Speaker 2: to go to work, but my husband's gonna listen to you.

563
00:28:59,144 --> 00:29:01,184
Speaker 2: And I'm like, does he?

564
00:29:01,904 --> 00:29:03,464
Speaker 1: Is he a fan?

565
00:29:03,904 --> 00:29:06,664
Speaker 2: And she's like, no, he doesn't know who. And I'm like,

566
00:29:07,464 --> 00:29:11,264
Speaker 2: hey girl, hey yeah, let's stop the violin.

567
00:29:12,304 --> 00:29:15,424
Speaker 1: I don't need it this badly. It's not court appointed.

568
00:29:15,504 --> 00:29:16,504
Speaker 1: I have to find somebody.

569
00:29:17,064 --> 00:29:20,024
Speaker 2: Poor man is over zoom or zoom zoo.

570
00:29:20,144 --> 00:29:22,544
Speaker 1: So you will be performing for one person over zoom

571
00:29:22,664 --> 00:29:24,024
Speaker 1: and they will be doing their chores.

572
00:29:24,144 --> 00:29:24,944
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.

573
00:29:25,104 --> 00:29:27,344
Speaker 1: And when you're performing, are you standing? Are you just

574
00:29:27,384 --> 00:29:28,944
Speaker 1: sitting at the zoom delivery sitting.

575
00:29:29,024 --> 00:29:30,904
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sitting because I'm just trying.

576
00:29:30,984 --> 00:29:31,944
Speaker 1: I'm so wild.

577
00:29:32,184 --> 00:29:34,264
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna ask you may ask you come out.

578
00:29:35,504 --> 00:29:38,424
Speaker 2: Do you have a mentor, like somebody who you go to,

579
00:29:38,544 --> 00:29:41,224
Speaker 2: who you feel like you could with issues that you

580
00:29:41,304 --> 00:29:44,624
Speaker 2: have with work and who can advise you and stuff

581
00:29:44,624 --> 00:29:44,904
Speaker 2: like that.

582
00:29:45,304 --> 00:29:47,024
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say that there are certainly a

583
00:29:47,104 --> 00:29:49,984
Speaker 1: handful of people like Dwayne is a mentor for I've

584
00:29:49,984 --> 00:29:52,344
Speaker 1: known Dwayne since I started two weeks in the down comedy,

585
00:29:52,344 --> 00:29:54,744
Speaker 1: but like a stand up comedy mentor, he does not

586
00:29:54,824 --> 00:29:59,624
Speaker 1: know anything but maybe knows about cars maybe, but like

587
00:30:00,304 --> 00:30:02,984
Speaker 1: certainly like what Dwayne opens me on the road. The

588
00:30:03,024 --> 00:30:05,344
Speaker 1: idea that Dwayne when I started doing comedy, he was

589
00:30:05,384 --> 00:30:07,624
Speaker 1: already the guy like this urban legend of Dwayne Kennedy

590
00:30:07,624 --> 00:30:09,944
Speaker 1: who's funnier than all of us but has no ambition

591
00:30:10,424 --> 00:30:13,064
Speaker 1: and you know, like playground legend face. I knew that

592
00:30:13,064 --> 00:30:15,504
Speaker 1: he's opening for me. Really is like funny to me

593
00:30:15,504 --> 00:30:18,024
Speaker 1: because like this guy I should be opening for him

594
00:30:18,224 --> 00:30:20,024
Speaker 1: if he had any ambition, I would be.

595
00:30:20,184 --> 00:30:23,504
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, Jackie destroys and then I go up and

596
00:30:23,544 --> 00:30:29,944
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, I know she was good. But the

597
00:30:29,984 --> 00:30:32,904
Speaker 2: woman who opens for you anyways.

598
00:30:33,224 --> 00:30:35,464
Speaker 1: Well, no, So we were in San Diego this weekend, and

599
00:30:35,464 --> 00:30:37,144
Speaker 1: I try to only take him on the road because

600
00:30:37,144 --> 00:30:39,464
Speaker 1: it's also it's again about like hanging out with my kids.

601
00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:41,304
Speaker 1: Like he's a friend of mine that on those hours

602
00:30:41,304 --> 00:30:44,344
Speaker 1: on the road, like with Jackie, when those long lonely hours,

603
00:30:44,384 --> 00:30:46,464
Speaker 1: you have somebody you can talk to and be connect

604
00:30:46,504 --> 00:30:48,064
Speaker 1: with and not feel stranded out there.

605
00:30:48,384 --> 00:30:51,344
Speaker 2: Tell him, Hey, I'm gonna fuck off because.

606
00:30:51,064 --> 00:30:54,504
Speaker 1: You're Yeah, I'm gonna go lay down. Yeah, you don't

607
00:30:54,504 --> 00:30:56,664
Speaker 1: have to feel any sort of like social contract. So

608
00:30:57,424 --> 00:30:59,384
Speaker 1: but and so like yeah, in San Diego, he like

609
00:30:59,424 --> 00:31:01,264
Speaker 1: it was like a like the first show on Saturday

610
00:31:01,464 --> 00:31:03,704
Speaker 1: and he just destroyed and I'm back. So he's like

611
00:31:03,944 --> 00:31:07,584
Speaker 1: why did I do this to myself? Like why would I?

612
00:31:07,664 --> 00:31:10,944
Speaker 1: This guy's a killer, Like why would I? You know?

613
00:31:11,224 --> 00:31:12,504
Speaker 1: And he go on stage. You go give it up

614
00:31:12,504 --> 00:31:14,104
Speaker 1: for Duayne. You want him to clap a little bit. Yeah,

615
00:31:14,144 --> 00:31:15,624
Speaker 1: get that out of your system. He's gone.

616
00:31:15,664 --> 00:31:18,344
Speaker 2: Now it's just you and me.

617
00:31:18,944 --> 00:31:21,984
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna talk and and sort of and tell

618
00:31:22,024 --> 00:31:24,424
Speaker 1: some stories about my kids. And he's up there like

619
00:31:24,504 --> 00:31:27,504
Speaker 1: you know, so, but Duane is somebody that, like I

620
00:31:27,584 --> 00:31:30,744
Speaker 1: really value his opinions about the art and the craft

621
00:31:30,784 --> 00:31:32,824
Speaker 1: of comedy. And he's somebody who's known me for a

622
00:31:32,864 --> 00:31:36,024
Speaker 1: long time and we can have discussions about like like

623
00:31:36,104 --> 00:31:38,304
Speaker 1: I was when I introduced people to Duayne. I'm like, yeah,

624
00:31:38,384 --> 00:31:40,864
Speaker 1: Dwayne has known me for since I started on comedy

625
00:31:41,144 --> 00:31:42,584
Speaker 1: and used to hang out with me when there was

626
00:31:42,624 --> 00:31:44,184
Speaker 1: no reason to hang out with me, Like you know,

627
00:31:44,424 --> 00:31:47,384
Speaker 1: I was not I was not a fast riser in comedy.

628
00:31:47,544 --> 00:31:50,184
Speaker 1: I wasn't like the next guy. Duane just liked me,

629
00:31:50,224 --> 00:31:52,184
Speaker 1: so I always respected him as like the guy who

630
00:31:52,304 --> 00:31:54,224
Speaker 1: just like, no, it's like I liked how your mind worked,

631
00:31:54,224 --> 00:31:55,864
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, with the jokes won't work. He's like, no,

632
00:31:55,904 --> 00:31:58,744
Speaker 1: they weren't working. But he really saw me develop. So

633
00:31:58,744 --> 00:32:00,024
Speaker 1: I can go to him and be like, hey, is

634
00:32:00,064 --> 00:32:01,824
Speaker 1: this thing or what about this? Or I'm trying to

635
00:32:01,864 --> 00:32:03,864
Speaker 1: do this, and he's very He'll come and when I

636
00:32:03,864 --> 00:32:05,624
Speaker 1: come off stage, he does this thing I'm starting to

637
00:32:05,704 --> 00:32:07,624
Speaker 1: He'll just be there waiting for me to come off stage,

638
00:32:08,224 --> 00:32:10,424
Speaker 1: like just to sort of like walk me up, you know,

639
00:32:10,424 --> 00:32:12,744
Speaker 1: sort of bring me. Yeah. So it's a it's a

640
00:32:12,784 --> 00:32:14,504
Speaker 1: really sweet relationship.

641
00:32:13,984 --> 00:32:17,584
Speaker 2: That well and this isn't the same thing, but yeah, Jackie.

642
00:32:18,104 --> 00:32:20,704
Speaker 2: When I first started touring, I had never headlined before

643
00:32:21,344 --> 00:32:24,744
Speaker 2: because I was, yeah, that the first time I've gone TV.

644
00:32:25,624 --> 00:32:27,384
Speaker 2: It used to be with yeah, if you did TV,

645
00:32:27,464 --> 00:32:29,344
Speaker 2: then you can get headline, and I think that happens

646
00:32:29,344 --> 00:32:30,984
Speaker 2: now where people are YouTube stars.

647
00:32:31,104 --> 00:32:32,984
Speaker 1: Now it's not TV, it's it's a it's a viral

648
00:32:32,984 --> 00:32:34,224
Speaker 1: clip will make you a headliner.

649
00:32:34,344 --> 00:32:35,984
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like all of a sudden, you've got

650
00:32:36,024 --> 00:32:38,984
Speaker 2: to do an hour and uh so I was doing

651
00:32:38,984 --> 00:32:42,544
Speaker 2: that and then being fired. Uh So Jackie would open

652
00:32:42,624 --> 00:32:45,184
Speaker 2: for me and then we'd switch places when I tanked.

653
00:32:45,504 --> 00:32:47,104
Speaker 1: That's I wanted to ask you about that, because that

654
00:32:47,344 --> 00:32:49,784
Speaker 1: was the urban legend about you and Jackie out there,

655
00:32:49,824 --> 00:32:52,104
Speaker 1: because the week clear San Francis comedy scene that I

656
00:32:52,144 --> 00:32:55,464
Speaker 1: came up in loved you. Loved Jackie, you were we

657
00:32:55,544 --> 00:32:57,584
Speaker 1: loved you. Like the comedy scene back then was just

658
00:32:57,624 --> 00:33:00,864
Speaker 1: we're super and we would hear like here's sometimes like

659
00:33:01,144 --> 00:33:03,064
Speaker 1: Maria will go to the club owner and be like,

660
00:33:03,424 --> 00:33:06,704
Speaker 1: I can even though I'm headlining, why don't we switch places? Yeah,

661
00:33:06,864 --> 00:33:09,264
Speaker 1: so Jackie would headline, oh yeah, and you just be like,

662
00:33:09,384 --> 00:33:10,584
Speaker 1: especially on a weekend.

663
00:33:11,224 --> 00:33:13,344
Speaker 2: No nobody wants to say, oh my god, we went

664
00:33:13,344 --> 00:33:17,144
Speaker 2: to Eerie, Pennsylvania, which was it was a guy's retirement

665
00:33:17,184 --> 00:33:20,704
Speaker 2: from the Navy. It's like nobody wants to hear this

666
00:33:20,824 --> 00:33:26,904
Speaker 2: fucking bullshit, like yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no,

667
00:33:27,024 --> 00:33:30,384
Speaker 2: so no, she's saved my life any number of times?

668
00:33:48,464 --> 00:33:52,464
Speaker 2: Do you have anybody who you feel like, oh, do

669
00:33:52,464 --> 00:33:55,344
Speaker 2: you have any with business, like with money and stuff

670
00:33:55,384 --> 00:33:57,744
Speaker 2: that do have a mentor and that kind of thing?

671
00:33:58,144 --> 00:34:00,904
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I have met I have. My

672
00:34:00,984 --> 00:34:04,104
Speaker 1: career has worked in such strange ways, and there have

673
00:34:04,144 --> 00:34:07,144
Speaker 1: been people who have like guided me and reached out

674
00:34:07,144 --> 00:34:08,944
Speaker 1: for me. So yeah, I do feel like there's like

675
00:34:09,024 --> 00:34:11,704
Speaker 1: right now, I feel like I'm going to the twenty

676
00:34:11,704 --> 00:34:13,784
Speaker 1: twenty six. I decided I've decided earlier this is my

677
00:34:13,824 --> 00:34:16,104
Speaker 1: DIY year. I got to do it myself. Like there's

678
00:34:16,143 --> 00:34:18,143
Speaker 1: no more waiting for the business to like like this

679
00:34:18,183 --> 00:34:20,463
Speaker 1: whole podcast is a part of that, Like yeah, yeah,

680
00:34:20,504 --> 00:34:23,024
Speaker 1: like I'm like funding this and have Rabbid grant as

681
00:34:23,064 --> 00:34:25,064
Speaker 1: helping and you know, so I'm certainly I'm I don't

682
00:34:25,064 --> 00:34:26,263
Speaker 1: know how to do any of the stuff that is

683
00:34:26,263 --> 00:34:27,383
Speaker 1: happening on that side over there.

684
00:34:27,464 --> 00:34:30,104
Speaker 2: Oh my godness, look at that there's a team if

685
00:34:30,143 --> 00:34:30,784
Speaker 2: you're here.

686
00:34:31,824 --> 00:34:34,663
Speaker 1: Say twenty thirty about forty people back there or two.

687
00:34:35,143 --> 00:34:37,823
Speaker 1: But like, I have to like invest in myself and

688
00:34:37,864 --> 00:34:39,303
Speaker 1: I had to, so I have people that I go

689
00:34:39,344 --> 00:34:41,143
Speaker 1: to like is this I know this is crazy, but

690
00:34:41,183 --> 00:34:42,623
Speaker 1: is this a good idea? So yeah, I do have

691
00:34:42,663 --> 00:34:45,183
Speaker 1: people because I don't want to. It's such a solitary

692
00:34:45,183 --> 00:34:49,104
Speaker 1: profession trying to be a star. But yeah, and you

693
00:34:49,143 --> 00:34:51,183
Speaker 1: have to go to people who understand. And luckily because

694
00:34:51,183 --> 00:34:53,343
Speaker 1: I've lived in Oakland so long, it's been good too,

695
00:34:53,384 --> 00:34:56,623
Speaker 1: because not living in la and Oakland, I'm the guy

696
00:34:56,623 --> 00:34:58,703
Speaker 1: who sort of made it and like, but it means

697
00:34:58,743 --> 00:35:00,424
Speaker 1: that people see me as a human and not like

698
00:35:01,064 --> 00:35:03,544
Speaker 1: generally some people don't. But like, so there are people

699
00:35:03,544 --> 00:35:05,383
Speaker 1: that I go to and like, hey can I It

700
00:35:05,464 --> 00:35:07,383
Speaker 1: is helpful to have those people and a lot of

701
00:35:07,384 --> 00:35:09,984
Speaker 1: the different people I got, like pastoral Mike McBride is

702
00:35:09,984 --> 00:35:11,823
Speaker 1: my like social justice guy. I like when I'm trying

703
00:35:11,824 --> 00:35:13,503
Speaker 1: to figure out how I should be in the world

704
00:35:13,584 --> 00:35:15,423
Speaker 1: on an issue. And then there's like other people where

705
00:35:15,424 --> 00:35:17,584
Speaker 1: it's like I go to talk about like the business

706
00:35:17,584 --> 00:35:20,504
Speaker 1: side of things and is this a yeah, yeah, you

707
00:35:20,504 --> 00:35:21,263
Speaker 1: have people like that.

708
00:35:21,344 --> 00:35:24,223
Speaker 2: I do well. I just I'm in a gillion twelve

709
00:35:24,263 --> 00:35:28,183
Speaker 2: step programs. So my favorite one is debtors Anonymous. So

710
00:35:28,303 --> 00:35:30,783
Speaker 2: I like to go to that I have because I

711
00:35:30,824 --> 00:35:33,504
Speaker 2: got myself in a pickle. But I mean, I almost

712
00:35:33,544 --> 00:35:36,743
Speaker 2: think Twitter programs are just a they're pretend and made

713
00:35:36,824 --> 00:35:39,584
Speaker 2: up and it's a social construct that came together because

714
00:35:40,064 --> 00:35:41,423
Speaker 2: human beings need to help each other.

715
00:35:41,464 --> 00:35:43,863
Speaker 1: But we just make because we needed to almost build

716
00:35:43,944 --> 00:35:46,663
Speaker 1: artificial community because communities that we had weren't doing enough.

717
00:35:46,743 --> 00:35:48,663
Speaker 1: So like, you know, I know the whole history of

718
00:35:48,703 --> 00:35:51,823
Speaker 1: like Bill w and oh yeah, it's like I'm a drunk,

719
00:35:51,864 --> 00:35:53,384
Speaker 1: but I need to talk to other drunks about it,

720
00:35:53,424 --> 00:35:55,663
Speaker 1: and there's not really a set up that so when

721
00:35:55,783 --> 00:35:57,703
Speaker 1: I start a program, yes, so we can at least

722
00:35:57,703 --> 00:35:59,703
Speaker 1: all be alcoholics together.

723
00:35:59,783 --> 00:36:02,303
Speaker 2: Yeah together. Yeah, And so it's the same kind of thing.

724
00:36:02,384 --> 00:36:04,984
Speaker 2: It was just like basically this Twister program helped me

725
00:36:05,424 --> 00:36:07,984
Speaker 2: learn how to have and keep a job because I

726
00:36:08,064 --> 00:36:10,944
Speaker 2: just I didn't know how to keep a job, Like

727
00:36:10,944 --> 00:36:14,223
Speaker 2: I just was just like I worked a lot in

728
00:36:14,263 --> 00:36:16,823
Speaker 2: food service. Then I moved to Los Angeles and it's

729
00:36:16,864 --> 00:36:20,424
Speaker 2: a whole new level of food service here, Like you

730
00:36:20,544 --> 00:36:24,263
Speaker 2: got to be on point or have a gift, like

731
00:36:24,544 --> 00:36:27,383
Speaker 2: I worked at a couple of restaurants and I was

732
00:36:27,464 --> 00:36:30,584
Speaker 2: just like, oh my god, yeah I didn't did I

733
00:36:30,623 --> 00:36:33,544
Speaker 2: get fired? I didn't get fired. One place I was

734
00:36:33,544 --> 00:36:36,064
Speaker 2: working at they sent me to the back and they said,

735
00:36:36,064 --> 00:36:38,783
Speaker 2: now you're loading trucks instead of like you.

736
00:36:38,703 --> 00:36:43,183
Speaker 1: Are, so you're not a truckloader.

737
00:36:43,384 --> 00:36:47,783
Speaker 2: No, no, It was hilarious. But uh yeah, So I

738
00:36:48,024 --> 00:36:50,263
Speaker 2: just got and I still get hope from that of

739
00:36:50,303 --> 00:36:54,904
Speaker 2: like trying to because that still happens in show business.

740
00:36:54,904 --> 00:36:57,104
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've had this where you're asked

741
00:36:57,143 --> 00:37:00,623
Speaker 2: to do a job or somebody who you admire says,

742
00:37:00,783 --> 00:37:02,984
Speaker 2: oh can I love to work with you? And then

743
00:37:02,984 --> 00:37:06,064
Speaker 2: you're like, and then is there gonna be well we

744
00:37:06,104 --> 00:37:12,823
Speaker 2: get paid? Are you gonna split the You're gonna go

745
00:37:12,904 --> 00:37:17,343
Speaker 2: split these on the caesar salad? Yeah? Like so yeah,

746
00:37:17,384 --> 00:37:20,544
Speaker 2: and the fact that we stand up the income, especially

747
00:37:20,584 --> 00:37:23,264
Speaker 2: for openers hasn't gone up in thirty years.

748
00:37:23,384 --> 00:37:26,023
Speaker 1: I mean it is wild. Uh Lori Klmartin, who's also

749
00:37:26,104 --> 00:37:28,024
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you're both have the mutual friend of

750
00:37:28,104 --> 00:37:29,544
Speaker 1: I mean maybe for a thorty two, but I need

751
00:37:29,623 --> 00:37:32,383
Speaker 1: Jackie and but like I've seen her on threads talking

752
00:37:32,384 --> 00:37:34,584
Speaker 1: about like how the pay hasn't gone off for openers

753
00:37:35,104 --> 00:37:37,623
Speaker 1: in twenty thirty years. Like it's just fifty dollars or

754
00:37:37,663 --> 00:37:39,544
Speaker 1: seventy five dollars. It just is what it is, Yes,

755
00:37:39,663 --> 00:37:40,143
Speaker 1: is what it is.

756
00:37:40,263 --> 00:37:45,623
Speaker 2: And even you know, and I'm you know, I know

757
00:37:46,384 --> 00:37:48,623
Speaker 2: I'm part of the problem. Like I I sometimes I've

758
00:37:48,663 --> 00:37:51,064
Speaker 2: done profit sharing with my friend Jackie, and so I

759
00:37:51,183 --> 00:37:54,703
Speaker 2: give her a third of what I'm earning so or

760
00:37:54,944 --> 00:37:57,743
Speaker 2: you know, the amount of time that she's doing. And

761
00:37:57,904 --> 00:38:01,104
Speaker 2: then at some points I've screwed up financially, so I'm like.

762
00:38:01,703 --> 00:38:03,504
Speaker 1: Can I just give you the minimum?

763
00:38:03,623 --> 00:38:07,544
Speaker 2: You know, you know, twelve hundred per show and uh,

764
00:38:08,064 --> 00:38:10,064
Speaker 2: you know, plus air and hotel and that kind of stuff.

765
00:38:10,544 --> 00:38:14,504
Speaker 2: So I like talking about that stuff because because I

766
00:38:14,544 --> 00:38:18,903
Speaker 2: think there's at least in me I have if I'm

767
00:38:18,984 --> 00:38:22,744
Speaker 2: doing well as a performer whatever kind of job you have. Somehow,

768
00:38:22,783 --> 00:38:25,024
Speaker 2: I think, oh, I can't ask for help at this point.

769
00:38:25,424 --> 00:38:30,264
Speaker 2: I can't ask anyone's second opinion or just get three

770
00:38:30,303 --> 00:38:35,384
Speaker 2: other takes on this idea that I'm having, Like somehow, no, no, no, Bamford,

771
00:38:35,504 --> 00:38:37,424
Speaker 2: you gotta you gotta figure this out. And it's like,

772
00:38:37,904 --> 00:38:42,264
Speaker 2: why don't I just slow my role and ask three

773
00:38:42,303 --> 00:38:46,823
Speaker 2: other ding Dongs what they think of me. I'm trying

774
00:38:46,824 --> 00:38:50,904
Speaker 2: to think of the most recent thing. Oh I got offered,

775
00:38:52,464 --> 00:38:56,863
Speaker 2: uh a recording, you know, recording for a stand up

776
00:38:56,984 --> 00:39:00,463
Speaker 2: you know, a new hour and just slow down, ask

777
00:39:00,544 --> 00:39:05,343
Speaker 2: three other comics and say okay, and does that sound good?

778
00:39:05,384 --> 00:39:08,383
Speaker 2: And and you know, I asked for higher mount they

779
00:39:08,584 --> 00:39:09,504
Speaker 2: turned it down.

780
00:39:09,584 --> 00:39:13,743
Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, that's big to ask because they also

781
00:39:13,864 --> 00:39:15,943
Speaker 1: just let you know you because sometimes are gonna say yes,

782
00:39:16,024 --> 00:39:16,463
Speaker 1: and you know.

783
00:39:16,703 --> 00:39:19,464
Speaker 2: Sometimes that you do like yeah, you just never know.

784
00:39:19,584 --> 00:39:20,863
Speaker 1: So do you have representation?

785
00:39:21,024 --> 00:39:24,303
Speaker 2: I have representation of a manager, but even my manager, like,

786
00:39:24,344 --> 00:39:26,743
Speaker 2: he's a human being, so he's that.

787
00:39:26,703 --> 00:39:28,623
Speaker 1: Does that is one of the bad things about managers.

788
00:39:28,703 --> 00:39:29,744
Speaker 1: They're still human beings.

789
00:39:29,864 --> 00:39:32,343
Speaker 2: Like a famous person said, oh that he wants really

790
00:39:32,344 --> 00:39:34,623
Speaker 2: wants to work with you. So I was like, okay, well,

791
00:39:35,344 --> 00:39:38,543
Speaker 2: uh am I gonna get paid And he's like no,

792
00:39:38,584 --> 00:39:42,663
Speaker 2: but it's famous person, you know, he's so cool. But

793
00:39:43,263 --> 00:39:44,623
Speaker 2: don't you want to hang out with them? I'm like,

794
00:39:45,183 --> 00:39:48,464
Speaker 2: not really, really, I'd love to have one thousand dollars.

795
00:39:49,024 --> 00:39:50,183
Speaker 2: That's what I would like to have.

796
00:39:50,344 --> 00:39:52,464
Speaker 1: Well, on subject to that, I love At the beginning

797
00:39:52,504 --> 00:39:54,904
Speaker 1: of your doc with Judd starts with him giving you

798
00:39:54,944 --> 00:39:58,463
Speaker 1: five hundred bucks, like we're gonna We're gonna sit down

799
00:39:58,464 --> 00:40:00,503
Speaker 1: and do this. I need to know that my time

800
00:40:00,584 --> 00:40:02,503
Speaker 1: is valuable to you. I'm gonna need And it's funny.

801
00:40:02,504 --> 00:40:04,223
Speaker 1: When he first said you asked for some money, I

802
00:40:04,263 --> 00:40:06,503
Speaker 1: thought it was gonna be like a comically ridiculous low

803
00:40:06,544 --> 00:40:09,064
Speaker 1: amount of money. I was like, no, five hundred dollars.

804
00:40:10,024 --> 00:40:13,983
Speaker 2: No, oh my god. Well, and I hope someone would

805
00:40:14,024 --> 00:40:17,423
Speaker 2: ask that of me, Like I my friends in La.

806
00:40:17,544 --> 00:40:19,984
Speaker 2: It's a healthscape here. I mean all my friends are

807
00:40:20,024 --> 00:40:22,703
Speaker 2: on the verge when many many of my friends are

808
00:40:22,783 --> 00:40:25,904
Speaker 2: on the verge of like always trying to make rent

809
00:40:26,623 --> 00:40:30,024
Speaker 2: of the business in the business and uh yeah so

810
00:40:30,584 --> 00:40:34,064
Speaker 2: and at my age, you're fifty five, it's like you

811
00:40:34,143 --> 00:40:38,304
Speaker 2: can't do the hustling jobs anymore. So I pay everybody

812
00:40:38,344 --> 00:40:40,343
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty bucks an hour. You know, if

813
00:40:40,424 --> 00:40:42,183
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about show business with.

814
00:40:42,104 --> 00:40:47,464
Speaker 3: You, Oh wow, Like no, no, no, yeah, I I I

815
00:40:47,504 --> 00:40:50,183
Speaker 3: am a millionaire, Like I have a million dollars worth

816
00:40:50,183 --> 00:40:52,544
Speaker 3: of assets, Like yeah, I'm.

817
00:40:52,384 --> 00:40:55,064
Speaker 2: Gonna pay you well, like I'm not going and I'm

818
00:40:55,064 --> 00:40:57,064
Speaker 2: not gonna pay my friends the worst.

819
00:40:57,143 --> 00:40:59,343
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like yeah, oh.

820
00:40:59,223 --> 00:41:03,064
Speaker 2: We're friends, we'll get a friends and family discount. No no, no, no, no,

821
00:41:03,623 --> 00:41:06,424
Speaker 2: like I don't know. I feel like that is and

822
00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:09,623
Speaker 2: I know that that's also me bragging, but that's also

823
00:41:09,743 --> 00:41:11,544
Speaker 2: that's the only way I can get my to do

824
00:41:11,663 --> 00:41:13,143
Speaker 2: kind things is to talk about it.

825
00:41:13,384 --> 00:41:16,223
Speaker 1: No, no, to put yourself on the line. I paid

826
00:41:16,263 --> 00:41:18,143
Speaker 1: my friends. Well, so next time you're with with.

827
00:41:18,703 --> 00:41:21,263
Speaker 2: It's calling myself because then my friend goes. But you

828
00:41:21,344 --> 00:41:23,343
Speaker 2: always say you pay people to fifty an hour, and

829
00:41:23,424 --> 00:41:26,464
Speaker 2: somehow you lowered it to twenty five.

830
00:41:27,263 --> 00:41:29,424
Speaker 1: This is two hundred and forty eight dollars. I just

831
00:41:29,584 --> 00:41:31,783
Speaker 1: feel like I heard two fifty on the podcast will

832
00:41:31,824 --> 00:41:34,183
Speaker 1: come out. Well, that means I feel like I should

833
00:41:34,183 --> 00:41:36,303
Speaker 1: have negotiated a rate for this for you to come

834
00:41:36,384 --> 00:41:36,743
Speaker 1: up here with.

835
00:41:36,984 --> 00:41:40,304
Speaker 2: Well, no, no, no, And there's different things like I don't Also,

836
00:41:40,384 --> 00:41:41,863
Speaker 2: I like to a podcast in this.

837
00:41:42,143 --> 00:41:43,183
Speaker 1: You should have paid me to be here.

838
00:41:43,303 --> 00:41:46,623
Speaker 2: Oh shit, yeah, you're correct, you are right about that.

839
00:41:47,064 --> 00:41:50,024
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Yeah, I feel like I should have asked.

840
00:41:50,104 --> 00:41:53,703
Speaker 2: I haven't even thought about that.

841
00:41:53,703 --> 00:41:54,663
Speaker 1: That's this first one's free.

842
00:41:54,663 --> 00:41:56,743
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to look up your Venmo first one.

843
00:41:56,864 --> 00:42:00,344
Speaker 1: First one was free. The first podcast appears is free. Okay,

844
00:42:00,544 --> 00:42:02,384
Speaker 1: that's fine, that's fine, you get addicted.

845
00:42:02,464 --> 00:42:05,064
Speaker 2: But well, no, that is a great point.

846
00:42:05,064 --> 00:42:06,984
Speaker 1: Come out. No, it's not a great no, it is.

847
00:42:07,143 --> 00:42:09,383
Speaker 1: It's not agree. I refuse to let you think that

848
00:42:09,464 --> 00:42:10,944
Speaker 1: you should have paid me to be here. It's not

849
00:42:11,143 --> 00:42:15,823
Speaker 1: great point. It's a ridiculous place. It So, yeah, so

850
00:42:15,904 --> 00:42:18,024
Speaker 1: I certainly have people in my life that I can

851
00:42:18,064 --> 00:42:21,423
Speaker 1: call to sort of vet my thinking again, and even

852
00:42:21,424 --> 00:42:23,104
Speaker 1: with this podcast, Like, first of all, I got to

853
00:42:23,143 --> 00:42:25,703
Speaker 1: call my wife, like I got like, hey, I'm gonna

854
00:42:25,743 --> 00:42:27,863
Speaker 1: take some money out of our accounts to invest in

855
00:42:27,904 --> 00:42:30,143
Speaker 1: a podcast, and it's gonna be a thing that we

856
00:42:30,183 --> 00:42:32,064
Speaker 1: have to build over time. But I think and here's

857
00:42:32,064 --> 00:42:34,263
Speaker 1: what I think. And so getting the yes from her

858
00:42:34,384 --> 00:42:36,143
Speaker 1: was huge because you know, I still got these three

859
00:42:36,183 --> 00:42:37,783
Speaker 1: kids at home, as I say, like to eat every day,

860
00:42:37,984 --> 00:42:40,904
Speaker 1: multiple times a day everything. Yeah, they like to have

861
00:42:41,024 --> 00:42:43,104
Speaker 1: choices of what they eat too. And then you go

862
00:42:43,183 --> 00:42:45,183
Speaker 1: and then you talk to like some of your representatives

863
00:42:45,183 --> 00:42:46,504
Speaker 1: and ye d da dah. But a lot of the

864
00:42:46,623 --> 00:42:49,464
Speaker 1: times whatever they say is good information, but it's not

865
00:42:49,504 --> 00:42:52,504
Speaker 1: necessarily the decision process. And then it's like talking to

866
00:42:52,544 --> 00:42:54,623
Speaker 1: other people in the podcast. Know, So there's definitely like

867
00:42:55,183 --> 00:42:56,343
Speaker 1: and but at the end of the day you have

868
00:42:56,424 --> 00:42:58,823
Speaker 1: to go, like this morning, I have sort of felt

869
00:42:58,824 --> 00:43:01,143
Speaker 1: like as today's as we record this, the podcast is

870
00:43:01,143 --> 00:43:03,943
Speaker 1: just drop today it's the first two episodes just came

871
00:43:04,623 --> 00:43:06,944
Speaker 1: and my wife just called me. How you doing. I'm like,

872
00:43:06,984 --> 00:43:12,743
Speaker 1: you know, sick to my stomach, nervous, scared, afraid, happy, excited, glee, regretful,

873
00:43:13,064 --> 00:43:16,064
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Because it's all on some

874
00:43:16,263 --> 00:43:17,504
Speaker 1: level at the end of the day, and this is

875
00:43:17,504 --> 00:43:19,303
Speaker 1: where it's all on you to sort of figure out

876
00:43:19,303 --> 00:43:20,744
Speaker 1: how to make all these things come together.

877
00:43:21,183 --> 00:43:23,184
Speaker 2: And you never know what's gonna happen. That's the exciting.

878
00:43:23,263 --> 00:43:25,784
Speaker 2: I love that about you. And I think it's show business,

879
00:43:25,824 --> 00:43:27,983
Speaker 2: but it's any business where it's life in general, where

880
00:43:28,024 --> 00:43:29,743
Speaker 2: it's like, what's gonna happen?

881
00:43:30,223 --> 00:43:32,464
Speaker 1: But I think in our careers it's just like this

882
00:43:32,544 --> 00:43:34,703
Speaker 1: more often. Yes, most people it's that first day a

883
00:43:34,703 --> 00:43:36,423
Speaker 1: new job and then they hopefully have that job for

884
00:43:36,464 --> 00:43:39,504
Speaker 1: five or ten years, whereas we're like every couple of weeks,

885
00:43:39,504 --> 00:43:41,984
Speaker 1: it's like, yes, yes.

886
00:43:41,783 --> 00:43:47,783
Speaker 2: You never never know what's what's what new? I mean,

887
00:43:47,824 --> 00:43:51,024
Speaker 2: I almost like the new Lows. That's always the.

888
00:43:51,024 --> 00:43:54,424
Speaker 1: New Lows, the new lows. You like the new lows.

889
00:43:55,584 --> 00:43:58,544
Speaker 2: How it's fascinating, like you just go I did not, oh,

890
00:43:58,584 --> 00:44:00,224
Speaker 2: for sure see this coming.

891
00:44:00,303 --> 00:44:01,623
Speaker 1: I didn't know this low was possible.

892
00:44:01,743 --> 00:44:04,984
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like I did a show for the benefit

893
00:44:05,024 --> 00:44:09,504
Speaker 2: for schizophrenia research and I was not I should I

894
00:44:09,544 --> 00:44:12,423
Speaker 2: will never do benefits anymore because because they're just it's

895
00:44:12,464 --> 00:44:13,024
Speaker 2: a mistake.

896
00:44:13,104 --> 00:44:14,024
Speaker 1: I got one coming up.

897
00:44:14,703 --> 00:44:16,223
Speaker 2: I'm not the person people want to see.

898
00:44:16,504 --> 00:44:18,104
Speaker 1: No, I understand that I want to have a good time.

899
00:44:18,183 --> 00:44:18,743
Speaker 1: I understand.

900
00:44:19,344 --> 00:44:23,623
Speaker 2: I was there Yamani Cassander's open. She was so good.

901
00:44:24,344 --> 00:44:26,823
Speaker 2: People were just dying, having a great time. And then

902
00:44:26,824 --> 00:44:29,584
Speaker 2: she brought me up and it was, I want to say,

903
00:44:29,584 --> 00:44:33,064
Speaker 2: about twenty five minutes of pure silence. And then they

904
00:44:33,064 --> 00:44:35,464
Speaker 2: brought up everybody's favorite, Howard Mendel.

905
00:44:35,824 --> 00:44:39,104
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what a line of that, right, but

906
00:44:39,944 --> 00:44:40,223
Speaker 1: it was.

907
00:44:40,663 --> 00:44:43,864
Speaker 2: But yeah, I shouldn't do those, like because a person

908
00:44:43,944 --> 00:44:45,183
Speaker 2: hires you is a huge fan.

909
00:44:45,384 --> 00:44:45,504
Speaker 1: Ye.

910
00:44:45,864 --> 00:44:48,743
Speaker 2: People they're trying to get money from are not necessarily

911
00:44:49,024 --> 00:44:49,223
Speaker 2: you know.

912
00:44:49,783 --> 00:44:52,064
Speaker 1: Now they go, I like you, everybody must like you.

913
00:44:52,104 --> 00:44:55,783
Speaker 1: And plus benefits are just such artificial benefits. Really, as

914
00:44:55,783 --> 00:44:58,183
Speaker 1: a comedian benefit, it really helps a comedian who could

915
00:44:58,183 --> 00:45:02,384
Speaker 1: sort of sort of change tactics midway like Howie Mandel,

916
00:45:02,424 --> 00:45:03,663
Speaker 1: I'm sure it can be like, oh, you know he

917
00:45:03,663 --> 00:45:06,663
Speaker 1: can sort of like there's he's it's not like he's

918
00:45:06,663 --> 00:45:08,983
Speaker 1: got an acting he's got to stick to and you

919
00:45:09,464 --> 00:45:12,464
Speaker 1: haven't once once it leaves the state. This is what

920
00:45:12,504 --> 00:45:12,783
Speaker 1: it is.

921
00:45:12,824 --> 00:45:14,264
Speaker 2: This is what it is.

922
00:45:14,263 --> 00:45:15,744
Speaker 1: You're not gonna go, hey, where are you from?

923
00:45:17,623 --> 00:45:21,424
Speaker 2: I didn't realize. I just started learning about how nonprofits

924
00:45:21,623 --> 00:45:24,863
Speaker 2: like are kind of bullshit on some level.

925
00:45:24,904 --> 00:45:27,943
Speaker 1: So no, there's there's definitely a nonprofit hustle out there.

926
00:45:28,024 --> 00:45:30,024
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was like, oh, it's all about mutual

927
00:45:30,024 --> 00:45:32,184
Speaker 2: aid that know, these were just made up to create

928
00:45:32,303 --> 00:45:35,944
Speaker 2: tax right off for wealthy people to feel better about themselves.

929
00:45:35,984 --> 00:45:39,384
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, you got to like, you know,

930
00:45:39,424 --> 00:45:41,303
Speaker 1: I spend a lot of time with different nonprofits and

931
00:45:41,344 --> 00:45:43,424
Speaker 1: you really have to do your research to find out, yeah,

932
00:45:43,504 --> 00:45:45,903
Speaker 1: who's doing what and where is it going to? And yeah,

933
00:45:45,904 --> 00:45:48,383
Speaker 1: so luckily that's another thing I would. I will call

934
00:45:48,464 --> 00:45:50,423
Speaker 1: my friend Pastor McBride and be like, hey, I got

935
00:45:50,464 --> 00:45:53,143
Speaker 1: asked to do this thing for these people, and he's like, nah,

936
00:45:53,223 --> 00:45:55,743
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that. Okay, I'm not doing it. Then

937
00:45:56,504 --> 00:45:59,504
Speaker 1: you've said enough, so yeah, that's I feel lucky that

938
00:45:59,544 --> 00:46:00,864
Speaker 1: I have someone like that in my life where I

939
00:46:00,864 --> 00:46:02,623
Speaker 1: can call them back. Is this the thing I should do? No,

940
00:46:02,743 --> 00:46:04,703
Speaker 1: you should. Somebody's like, oh no, they're good. People think

941
00:46:04,743 --> 00:46:06,784
Speaker 1: so I'll do it then, you know, so yeah, definitely.

942
00:46:07,024 --> 00:46:09,303
Speaker 1: And you know, I think as you know, people think

943
00:46:09,344 --> 00:46:13,463
Speaker 1: if those benefits, think it'll be great. But again, what

944
00:46:13,864 --> 00:46:15,984
Speaker 1: we'll have a great crowd for your for the benefit?

945
00:46:16,104 --> 00:46:18,983
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, yeah, I know. No, yeah, I'm

946
00:46:18,984 --> 00:46:19,944
Speaker 2: not a good time.

947
00:46:23,104 --> 00:46:25,823
Speaker 1: It's funny because I think like Maren would say that,

948
00:46:25,824 --> 00:46:28,623
Speaker 1: Mark Maren would like, I'm not an entertainer. I didn't

949
00:46:28,623 --> 00:46:30,544
Speaker 1: get this to be entertaining. I got in this till

950
00:46:30,584 --> 00:46:32,263
Speaker 1: like because I had something I needed to get out.

951
00:46:32,303 --> 00:46:34,223
Speaker 1: And it's funny. I wouldn't say you and Maren and

952
00:46:34,263 --> 00:46:35,743
Speaker 1: I know loves you, like I wouldn't say that you

953
00:46:35,824 --> 00:46:37,584
Speaker 1: and Maren are saying but there's and I wouldn't say

954
00:46:37,584 --> 00:46:38,984
Speaker 1: that even me and Maren a saying, but there's a

955
00:46:39,024 --> 00:46:41,743
Speaker 1: thing that like it comes wanting to do comedy comes

956
00:46:41,743 --> 00:46:44,064
Speaker 1: from a place of like there's a thing inside of

957
00:46:44,104 --> 00:46:46,263
Speaker 1: me that I want to share, but I kind of

958
00:46:46,263 --> 00:46:47,943
Speaker 1: only want to share with the people who want it.

959
00:46:48,344 --> 00:46:49,863
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

960
00:46:49,944 --> 00:46:51,623
Speaker 1: I mean Maren does like to go to the He's

961
00:46:51,663 --> 00:46:53,303
Speaker 1: like Jackie. He will like to go pound it out

962
00:46:53,303 --> 00:46:55,464
Speaker 1: of the comedy store or whatever. And I have but

963
00:46:55,584 --> 00:46:56,863
Speaker 1: like at the end of the day, he wants to

964
00:46:56,864 --> 00:46:58,943
Speaker 1: be around his people. And I was like, I don't.

965
00:46:59,024 --> 00:47:00,904
Speaker 1: I haven't done a set in like a regular comedy

966
00:47:00,904 --> 00:47:03,064
Speaker 1: club since I started doing comedy again two years ago,

967
00:47:03,344 --> 00:47:05,904
Speaker 1: like just like a like a showcase set. It's like,

968
00:47:05,904 --> 00:47:07,104
Speaker 1: every time I think about it, get itchy.

969
00:47:07,384 --> 00:47:10,263
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, it's it's it's real. I just

970
00:47:10,263 --> 00:47:12,543
Speaker 2: did one of my neighbors hood, just a short set

971
00:47:12,584 --> 00:47:16,104
Speaker 2: and everyone's drunk and I was just like lady making

972
00:47:16,223 --> 00:47:20,823
Speaker 2: an whooping sound every few seconds. So I was like, yeah,

973
00:47:20,864 --> 00:47:22,184
Speaker 2: I think I'm good.

974
00:47:22,464 --> 00:47:25,663
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have that every Is this what I

975
00:47:25,703 --> 00:47:26,304
Speaker 1: do for a living?

976
00:47:26,424 --> 00:47:30,743
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, just yeah. It just seems like and once

977
00:47:30,743 --> 00:47:33,303
Speaker 2: you get older, you go, I don't know how much

978
00:47:33,344 --> 00:47:35,623
Speaker 2: time I have left. This could be my last ten minutes.

979
00:47:36,344 --> 00:47:41,423
Speaker 1: I'm with you all. Can we talk about the doc

980
00:47:41,864 --> 00:47:44,863
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, documentary? Okay, well yeah, I just wanted to

981
00:47:45,024 --> 00:47:48,183
Speaker 1: just set it up as like so. Jud Judd Appetite

982
00:47:48,183 --> 00:47:50,423
Speaker 1: is known for he known for his obvious narrative work,

983
00:47:50,663 --> 00:47:53,464
Speaker 1: but like his comedy doc work is like you know,

984
00:47:53,944 --> 00:47:59,024
Speaker 1: Gary Shanley, Yeah, George Carlin, Yes, I said, you're a genius.

985
00:47:59,024 --> 00:48:01,823
Speaker 1: So I'm not questioning your ability to be have a

986
00:48:01,864 --> 00:48:03,783
Speaker 1: doc about you. But when I heard it, I was

987
00:48:03,783 --> 00:48:07,784
Speaker 1: almost afraid for you, Like, yeah, he is very ducent.

988
00:48:07,864 --> 00:48:09,703
Speaker 1: Do we need to put her in the center of

989
00:48:09,743 --> 00:48:13,344
Speaker 1: a documentary? And like why now you know you No,

990
00:48:13,944 --> 00:48:16,223
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed watching it, but I just feel like, you know,

991
00:48:16,223 --> 00:48:18,024
Speaker 1: I think that this is the thing that people, your

992
00:48:18,024 --> 00:48:20,863
Speaker 1: friends and fans of yours were almost protective for you.

993
00:48:20,944 --> 00:48:24,343
Speaker 2: Well, and it's also ludicrous, like just like.

994
00:48:26,384 --> 00:48:28,343
Speaker 1: How did it come together? How did you get I mean,

995
00:48:28,384 --> 00:48:29,783
Speaker 1: I know you gave me five hundred bucks you had

996
00:48:29,824 --> 00:48:30,104
Speaker 1: to do it.

997
00:48:30,223 --> 00:48:35,263
Speaker 2: Well, of course the cash involved. Yeah, so I think

998
00:48:35,504 --> 00:48:40,423
Speaker 2: I'm extremely honored. You know, he's definitely for me, like

999
00:48:40,464 --> 00:48:44,223
Speaker 2: someone who's given me a lot of opportunities, given me

1000
00:48:44,344 --> 00:48:47,584
Speaker 2: parts on films and stuff like that, and thought of

1001
00:48:47,623 --> 00:48:50,543
Speaker 2: me and just very was a part of the Lady

1002
00:48:50,623 --> 00:48:54,343
Speaker 2: Dynamite Show some days on that and yeah, so just

1003
00:48:54,904 --> 00:48:58,783
Speaker 2: can't thank him enough, you know. So then he said, oh,

1004
00:48:58,864 --> 00:49:01,344
Speaker 2: do you want to be us to follow you around?

1005
00:49:01,944 --> 00:49:05,104
Speaker 2: And Uh, yeah, I'm good. You know, I don't I

1006
00:49:05,143 --> 00:49:07,743
Speaker 2: don't need it. I don't need it. Oh, so I

1007
00:49:07,783 --> 00:49:11,343
Speaker 2: think there is some sense of like my no one,

1008
00:49:11,344 --> 00:49:14,304
Speaker 2: I've told my stories so many times in a billion ways,

1009
00:49:14,584 --> 00:49:18,024
Speaker 2: and and there are stories that are more interesting than

1010
00:49:18,223 --> 00:49:20,703
Speaker 2: mine that need to be brought forward.

1011
00:49:22,384 --> 00:49:22,584
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1012
00:49:22,663 --> 00:49:29,743
Speaker 2: So hopefully the next documentary about a comedian will, yeah,

1013
00:49:29,904 --> 00:49:37,143
Speaker 2: anyways be just because I think it's not. Yeah, I

1014
00:49:37,183 --> 00:49:38,464
Speaker 2: just don't think I'm that interesting.

1015
00:49:38,623 --> 00:49:39,743
Speaker 1: But you agreed to do it?

1016
00:49:40,024 --> 00:49:44,504
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sure, Well because they said there's cash involved,

1017
00:49:45,864 --> 00:49:48,504
Speaker 2: they're known as a contract in place. I got ten grand,

1018
00:49:48,623 --> 00:49:50,904
Speaker 2: if you want to know. And then I got a

1019
00:49:50,944 --> 00:49:56,464
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars bump in cash in one dollar bills

1020
00:49:57,544 --> 00:50:02,263
Speaker 2: in a paper bag, delivered to me on stage, just

1021
00:50:02,344 --> 00:50:08,263
Speaker 2: as you want. And so yes, I thought, well, at

1022
00:50:08,344 --> 00:50:12,544
Speaker 2: least that's also something about being paid. Is like, then

1023
00:50:12,584 --> 00:50:17,024
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I'm kind of an introverted person.

1024
00:50:17,743 --> 00:50:21,704
Speaker 2: And also I don't I think when I was younger,

1025
00:50:21,743 --> 00:50:27,783
Speaker 2: I had more ambition and now I'm like, you know,

1026
00:50:27,824 --> 00:50:31,424
Speaker 2: I get three squares. I got three squares hot.

1027
00:50:31,183 --> 00:50:32,064
Speaker 1: And a cot.

1028
00:50:35,303 --> 00:50:40,343
Speaker 2: I hope people enjoy it. Uh, And it was a

1029
00:50:40,384 --> 00:50:41,303
Speaker 2: great experience.

1030
00:50:41,703 --> 00:50:41,863
Speaker 1: Uh.

1031
00:50:42,064 --> 00:50:46,024
Speaker 2: The guy near Neil Berkeley, who shot it was just lovely.

1032
00:50:46,504 --> 00:50:48,863
Speaker 2: And he's done a lot of beautiful documentaries. He's did

1033
00:50:48,904 --> 00:50:52,984
Speaker 2: a documentary called Beauty is Embarrassing about an artist who's

1034
00:50:53,104 --> 00:50:56,223
Speaker 2: right out of Los Angeles, and yeah, done a lot

1035
00:50:56,303 --> 00:51:01,183
Speaker 2: of great work. He also did one about Okay, oh boy, Maria,

1036
00:51:01,303 --> 00:51:05,904
Speaker 2: come on right, he's the comic. He's since passed, but

1037
00:51:06,703 --> 00:51:11,183
Speaker 2: he had the crazy voice, the goose, the ghost. He

1038
00:51:11,183 --> 00:51:15,304
Speaker 2: did a document about him and followed him. Yes, so great,

1039
00:51:15,864 --> 00:51:19,383
Speaker 2: So yeah, I am honored to be a monst. But

1040
00:51:19,743 --> 00:51:22,783
Speaker 2: yet there are so many more interesting comics. I mean,

1041
00:51:22,824 --> 00:51:31,303
Speaker 2: yourself could yes, yes, and then I just love yeah

1042
00:51:31,344 --> 00:51:34,504
Speaker 2: people who are doing stuff now and they're younger, so

1043
00:51:35,703 --> 00:51:41,623
Speaker 2: Osko Katska. There's this guy named Colby who's a schizophrenic

1044
00:51:41,663 --> 00:51:44,663
Speaker 2: comedian who talks a lot about schizophrenia. Is schizophrenic hippie,

1045
00:51:44,663 --> 00:51:51,904
Speaker 2: and uh, they're just yeah, fascinating stories of like how

1046
00:51:52,024 --> 00:52:00,064
Speaker 2: do you access this very heteronormative, very racist, sexist, ablest

1047
00:52:00,183 --> 00:52:04,423
Speaker 2: environment and become a part of it despite it not

1048
00:52:04,504 --> 00:52:08,343
Speaker 2: being welcome out all. There is like no metaphorical or

1049
00:52:08,663 --> 00:52:11,504
Speaker 2: visible ramp in many.

1050
00:52:11,904 --> 00:52:14,183
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, and and I just be clear, you're

1051
00:52:14,183 --> 00:52:16,504
Speaker 1: talking about the world of stand up college like it

1052
00:52:16,584 --> 00:52:18,784
Speaker 1: is not now. I think that's true. And I think

1053
00:52:19,303 --> 00:52:21,504
Speaker 1: the one of the important things about your doc is

1054
00:52:21,504 --> 00:52:24,184
Speaker 1: that anything that sort of has a conversation about mental

1055
00:52:24,223 --> 00:52:27,943
Speaker 1: health and and how someone deals with it the way

1056
00:52:27,944 --> 00:52:30,263
Speaker 1: yours is very open about the doc, and so I

1057
00:52:30,303 --> 00:52:32,504
Speaker 1: think that's a net plus for the world. I do

1058
00:52:32,663 --> 00:52:34,424
Speaker 1: sort of feel like hope may is okay, you know

1059
00:52:34,464 --> 00:52:37,623
Speaker 1: what I mean. But I do feel like conversations that

1060
00:52:37,663 --> 00:52:41,824
Speaker 1: normalize mental health discussions is great. And also your career.

1061
00:52:42,743 --> 00:52:45,183
Speaker 1: You know, if somebody just looked at your IMDb, that's

1062
00:52:45,183 --> 00:52:49,223
Speaker 1: that's a successful person not knowing all the mental health

1063
00:52:49,344 --> 00:52:51,223
Speaker 1: challenges you've had in your career. So I think that's

1064
00:52:51,424 --> 00:52:53,303
Speaker 1: even that's a victory, you know, And like the in

1065
00:52:53,344 --> 00:52:55,743
Speaker 1: the fact that like this person's figured out in this

1066
00:52:55,864 --> 00:53:01,904
Speaker 1: business with heteronormative, ablest, racist, sexist, you know, all the

1067
00:53:02,064 --> 00:53:06,623
Speaker 1: ists that we transphobic, that that people who are not

1068
00:53:06,984 --> 00:53:11,343
Speaker 1: those who are who are not white heterosexual men can

1069
00:53:11,703 --> 00:53:13,384
Speaker 1: can figure out how to forge your path. And you

1070
00:53:13,424 --> 00:53:15,303
Speaker 1: become an example for that. And I guess you're an

1071
00:53:15,303 --> 00:53:17,703
Speaker 1: example for me, even though on the surface we're not

1072
00:53:17,743 --> 00:53:20,344
Speaker 1: doing the same thing. But that's not like Mia Bamford

1073
00:53:20,424 --> 00:53:24,504
Speaker 1: is out there somewhere right now doing the voices and

1074
00:53:24,544 --> 00:53:26,783
Speaker 1: the long characters. I could probably go to see you

1075
00:53:26,824 --> 00:53:28,903
Speaker 1: talk about racism, you know what I mean, Like I'm

1076
00:53:28,904 --> 00:53:31,463
Speaker 1: doing a very traditional delivery. I could probably make fun

1077
00:53:31,504 --> 00:53:34,024
Speaker 1: of racists, you know, if she's doing that. You know.

1078
00:53:34,104 --> 00:53:36,864
Speaker 1: So for me, You've always been an inspiration just because

1079
00:53:37,143 --> 00:53:39,384
Speaker 1: you know. It's like it's because that to me, it's

1080
00:53:39,504 --> 00:53:41,743
Speaker 1: the art form is an interesting if there if there

1081
00:53:41,743 --> 00:53:43,984
Speaker 1: aren't interesting people in it, oh god.

1082
00:53:44,303 --> 00:53:46,343
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why you go out to see the

1083
00:53:46,344 --> 00:53:50,464
Speaker 2: live performances, to see something real and to see something

1084
00:53:50,904 --> 00:53:56,783
Speaker 2: that also takes chances, but it's also vulnerable. Like I

1085
00:53:56,824 --> 00:53:59,584
Speaker 2: don't know if you uh yeah, I don't know what

1086
00:53:59,623 --> 00:54:01,184
Speaker 2: you think about roasts and stuff.

1087
00:54:01,223 --> 00:54:05,303
Speaker 1: The roast I feel like my current conversation for the

1088
00:54:05,344 --> 00:54:08,024
Speaker 1: last since Kevin Hart Rose No no, no, no, no, I'm

1089
00:54:08,064 --> 00:54:08,823
Speaker 1: happy to talk about it.

1090
00:54:08,864 --> 00:54:12,424
Speaker 2: But yeah, I did a Rose once and I was like,

1091
00:54:12,703 --> 00:54:14,903
Speaker 2: I'm going to remember the things that were said about

1092
00:54:14,984 --> 00:54:18,223
Speaker 2: me for the rest of my life. Like I can't

1093
00:54:18,263 --> 00:54:20,263
Speaker 2: do this. I can't do this again. I can't take it.

1094
00:54:20,623 --> 00:54:24,984
Speaker 2: And uh but like it's kind of like I like

1095
00:54:25,064 --> 00:54:32,783
Speaker 2: the idea of uh it if comedy, Like I saw

1096
00:54:32,904 --> 00:54:35,104
Speaker 2: Chelsea Handler's part of that, and I thought she did

1097
00:54:35,104 --> 00:54:40,544
Speaker 2: a beautiful job of like calling out something that's really

1098
00:54:41,544 --> 00:54:49,344
Speaker 2: said hapening, this is what's happening, and like that that's

1099
00:54:50,623 --> 00:54:53,223
Speaker 2: I hope that comedy clubs are a part of that.

1100
00:54:53,303 --> 00:54:57,783
Speaker 2: But they're also food and beverage places. They're they're selling nachos,

1101
00:54:58,384 --> 00:55:04,223
Speaker 2: so everyone wants to be comfortable and uh so, yeah,

1102
00:55:04,263 --> 00:55:06,183
Speaker 2: it's it's confusing. I don't I don't know.

1103
00:55:24,344 --> 00:55:28,623
Speaker 1: I am not a roast person, wouldn't have never done one,

1104
00:55:28,743 --> 00:55:31,504
Speaker 1: like hosted one for my friend but didn't say the

1105
00:55:31,663 --> 00:55:34,623
Speaker 1: like Kevin Avery, I hosted but didn't. I was like,

1106
00:55:34,663 --> 00:55:36,263
Speaker 1: I just still want to, Like I will make fun

1107
00:55:36,303 --> 00:55:39,024
Speaker 1: of Kevin Avery to his face all day over dinner,

1108
00:55:39,303 --> 00:55:41,104
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I saw him last night.

1109
00:55:41,183 --> 00:55:43,064
Speaker 1: I will make fun of him all day long, all

1110
00:55:43,104 --> 00:55:45,864
Speaker 1: the time. I will say mean things about him because

1111
00:55:45,864 --> 00:55:48,744
Speaker 1: I know things about him that will actually hurt his feelings.

1112
00:55:48,743 --> 00:55:50,143
Speaker 1: But then I'll also pay for dinner, you know what

1113
00:55:50,143 --> 00:55:52,064
Speaker 1: I mean. And I also wouldn't want to put that

1114
00:55:52,104 --> 00:55:53,823
Speaker 1: out in the world, Like I just wouldn't want to,

1115
00:55:53,944 --> 00:55:56,703
Speaker 1: So I'm not I think there's this I think in

1116
00:55:56,743 --> 00:55:58,783
Speaker 1: the last since Comedy Central took over the roast, there's

1117
00:55:58,783 --> 00:56:00,863
Speaker 1: this idea of that roasting is like an essential part

1118
00:56:00,864 --> 00:56:03,584
Speaker 1: of stand up comedy and it's just not it's just.

1119
00:56:03,743 --> 00:56:07,703
Speaker 2: And it's between beloveds to it's supposed to be. It's

1120
00:56:07,743 --> 00:56:13,224
Speaker 2: not between complete strangers where it's like, uh, we're just booking.

1121
00:56:13,544 --> 00:56:16,703
Speaker 1: The most Yeah, we're I said, I said, it's like

1122
00:56:16,743 --> 00:56:18,904
Speaker 1: they used to be. Like it's like a it's like

1123
00:56:18,904 --> 00:56:21,823
Speaker 1: a circular firing squad. Yeah, it's not supposed to be that.

1124
00:56:21,864 --> 00:56:24,463
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be like I'm we only like as

1125
00:56:24,544 --> 00:56:26,863
Speaker 1: Jim as Jeff Ross said, willing roast the ones we

1126
00:56:26,904 --> 00:56:28,904
Speaker 1: love and I think do you love Tom Brady?

1127
00:56:30,663 --> 00:56:32,864
Speaker 2: Yeah, he certainly loves fifteen year olds.

1128
00:56:33,064 --> 00:56:34,064
Speaker 1: We all know that.

1129
00:56:35,663 --> 00:56:43,064
Speaker 2: Unregistered sex offenders in the house. Always they're on to

1130
00:56:43,183 --> 00:56:46,263
Speaker 2: our ladies watch your back? Or should I say girls

1131
00:56:46,464 --> 00:56:57,183
Speaker 2: watch your back? Oh it's so gross? Uh yeah, well yeah,

1132
00:56:57,223 --> 00:57:00,823
Speaker 2: I do love comedy doo though I do love stand up.

1133
00:57:00,864 --> 00:57:03,504
Speaker 2: I do think it's and I love the new stuff.

1134
00:57:03,544 --> 00:57:07,863
Speaker 2: I love clowning. That new art form is cool. It

1135
00:57:07,904 --> 00:57:11,024
Speaker 2: doesn't mean to stand up, yeah, yeah, it doesn't mean

1136
00:57:11,344 --> 00:57:15,584
Speaker 2: I won't walk out of a show because I will yeah, yeah,

1137
00:57:15,663 --> 00:57:17,104
Speaker 2: because sometimes things aren't for me.

1138
00:57:17,464 --> 00:57:19,823
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. And that's whenever I think about stand

1139
00:57:19,904 --> 00:57:21,984
Speaker 1: up comedy in this country versus like whenever you see

1140
00:57:21,984 --> 00:57:24,664
Speaker 1: stand up communities like I got it England, I feel

1141
00:57:24,664 --> 00:57:26,744
Speaker 1: like there's a wider definition what stand up comedy is

1142
00:57:26,984 --> 00:57:29,504
Speaker 1: in England and the Britons, maybe all over the world,

1143
00:57:29,744 --> 00:57:32,504
Speaker 1: just because anything where it's one person to say sort

1144
00:57:32,544 --> 00:57:35,104
Speaker 1: of talking and there's humor involved can become stand up comedy.

1145
00:57:35,144 --> 00:57:38,784
Speaker 1: So it can be like long form storytelling like Billy Conley.

1146
00:57:38,904 --> 00:57:40,823
Speaker 1: It can be like joke joke joke like you know,

1147
00:57:40,824 --> 00:57:42,584
Speaker 1: it can be just back to back jokes. It can

1148
00:57:42,624 --> 00:57:44,424
Speaker 1: be like a sad story that's a little bit sweet

1149
00:57:44,424 --> 00:57:47,264
Speaker 1: at the end, whereas here the definition always has been

1150
00:57:47,304 --> 00:57:49,664
Speaker 1: so narrow and I really appreciate you for like helping

1151
00:57:49,744 --> 00:57:51,823
Speaker 1: to expand the definition what stand up comedy is.

1152
00:57:53,504 --> 00:57:55,504
Speaker 2: That's one I think, is it? Yeah, it just keeps

1153
00:57:55,624 --> 00:57:58,503
Speaker 2: exploding like it's such a good It seems like it's

1154
00:57:58,544 --> 00:58:01,824
Speaker 2: such a beautiful time. Like I do love the Internet

1155
00:58:01,904 --> 00:58:04,823
Speaker 2: for that, where it's like people are finding platforms who

1156
00:58:04,984 --> 00:58:06,943
Speaker 2: can find you know, people can find.

1157
00:58:06,864 --> 00:58:08,704
Speaker 1: Do you think if you were just like if nineteen

1158
00:58:08,744 --> 00:58:11,664
Speaker 1: year old Maria Banford is nineteen right now, do you

1159
00:58:11,704 --> 00:58:13,224
Speaker 1: think you even find your way to a comedy club?

1160
00:58:13,264 --> 00:58:15,184
Speaker 1: Are you just making like videos on social media.

1161
00:58:15,184 --> 00:58:17,624
Speaker 2: I'm sure I'd be making videos. I'm sure I'd be

1162
00:58:17,904 --> 00:58:19,503
Speaker 2: hiding the show.

1163
00:58:20,144 --> 00:58:22,943
Speaker 1: That was incredible. That was an early and.

1164
00:58:22,864 --> 00:58:25,104
Speaker 2: That was not just me. That was Damon Jones. He

1165
00:58:25,224 --> 00:58:28,184
Speaker 2: was a guy from the Groundlings who shot the whole thing.

1166
00:58:28,664 --> 00:58:30,664
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, but like that would have translated very

1167
00:58:30,664 --> 00:58:33,944
Speaker 1: well to TikTok and Instagram and YouTube. I mean, it

1168
00:58:33,984 --> 00:58:35,823
Speaker 1: was on YouTube, but I mean, like, I just feel

1169
00:58:35,824 --> 00:58:37,423
Speaker 1: like there might be the version of you now who

1170
00:58:37,424 --> 00:58:39,544
Speaker 1: wants to be funny doesn't feel the need to go

1171
00:58:39,584 --> 00:58:40,784
Speaker 1: to the clubs in the same way A lot of

1172
00:58:40,824 --> 00:58:42,944
Speaker 1: the way a lot of comedians now, it's like the

1173
00:58:42,984 --> 00:58:44,304
Speaker 1: club is like I think you come to. I guess

1174
00:58:44,344 --> 00:58:46,264
Speaker 1: maybe I should do club dates because I could make money,

1175
00:58:46,264 --> 00:58:48,784
Speaker 1: But like, really they're just in their homes doing their thing.

1176
00:58:48,944 --> 00:58:52,264
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I really I admire all the people

1177
00:58:52,264 --> 00:58:55,184
Speaker 2: who are making stuff on the on their own, and

1178
00:58:55,224 --> 00:59:00,264
Speaker 2: I yeah, I would I make cameos.

1179
00:59:01,264 --> 00:59:01,304
Speaker 1: Y.

1180
00:59:03,464 --> 00:59:07,504
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if anybody wants to do cameos, because it

1181
00:59:07,624 --> 00:59:11,144
Speaker 2: is really fun, you know, and people do that. That

1182
00:59:11,264 --> 00:59:13,383
Speaker 2: is one thing for always doing what you want to

1183
00:59:13,424 --> 00:59:15,784
Speaker 2: do in your act. It means that you only get

1184
00:59:15,824 --> 00:59:19,744
Speaker 2: asked to do the stuff you enjoy. Nice, cause I

1185
00:59:19,784 --> 00:59:22,624
Speaker 2: don't when I when I did a commercial character, I

1186
00:59:22,624 --> 00:59:27,304
Speaker 2: did a for Target a million years ago. Uh, people

1187
00:59:27,584 --> 00:59:30,984
Speaker 2: wanted that character all the time. And I'm like, oh no,

1188
00:59:32,264 --> 00:59:32,864
Speaker 2: oh yeah.

1189
00:59:32,704 --> 00:59:36,224
Speaker 1: No I don't. I don't know. You don't want to

1190
00:59:36,224 --> 00:59:38,624
Speaker 1: be like that. That's your main Yeah, she's sad.

1191
00:59:39,104 --> 00:59:43,343
Speaker 2: Yeah, like she's shopping for herself all the time and

1192
00:59:43,384 --> 00:59:48,664
Speaker 2: doesn't have any friends. Uh not. Yeah. So anyways, if

1193
00:59:48,704 --> 00:59:50,984
Speaker 2: you create your own job, then it's the job that

1194
00:59:51,024 --> 00:59:51,903
Speaker 2: you love well.

1195
00:59:51,944 --> 00:59:55,064
Speaker 1: And I admire the way that you are able to

1196
00:59:55,344 --> 00:59:57,343
Speaker 1: do the thing you want to do on stage. But

1197
00:59:57,464 --> 01:00:01,024
Speaker 1: because you have legitimate skills as a voice actor and

1198
01:00:01,144 --> 01:00:03,784
Speaker 1: literally skills as an actor, like you are out there

1199
01:00:03,864 --> 01:00:06,903
Speaker 1: just you're putting your you know, cartoons, and I mean

1200
01:00:06,904 --> 01:00:08,903
Speaker 1: it's got to be great to be like I can

1201
01:00:08,944 --> 01:00:10,664
Speaker 1: go on stage and b as me as I want

1202
01:00:10,664 --> 01:00:13,024
Speaker 1: to be. And also I can voice these cartoons, which

1203
01:00:13,064 --> 01:00:14,384
Speaker 1: is a great way to make a living.

1204
01:00:14,424 --> 01:00:16,704
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah no, it is half my income

1205
01:00:16,824 --> 01:00:20,904
Speaker 2: and it pays for a pension and thank you for

1206
01:00:20,944 --> 01:00:25,704
Speaker 2: Green Actors Guild, thank you, thank you, Live better or

1207
01:00:25,704 --> 01:00:26,903
Speaker 2: a union look for.

1208
01:00:26,864 --> 01:00:29,424
Speaker 1: The union label. Yes, especially in your entertainment.

1209
01:00:29,584 --> 01:00:34,384
Speaker 2: Oh my lord, yeah, yeah that's anybody. If any comedians

1210
01:00:34,424 --> 01:00:35,943
Speaker 2: are listening. If you ever want to know what I'm

1211
01:00:35,944 --> 01:00:37,984
Speaker 2: getting paid for a gig, I will forward you the

1212
01:00:38,064 --> 01:00:41,024
Speaker 2: contract of what I'm getting paid. All you gotta do

1213
01:00:41,304 --> 01:00:43,784
Speaker 2: is text me a Rea Mayanfrobee at gmail dot com.

1214
01:00:43,784 --> 01:00:45,823
Speaker 2: It's on all my socials. I can also get you

1215
01:00:45,864 --> 01:00:53,864
Speaker 2: in free to any show. Uh and yeah shows, yeah,

1216
01:00:54,064 --> 01:00:57,184
Speaker 2: but any of my shows. Uh, just only contact me.

1217
01:00:57,384 --> 01:00:59,664
Speaker 2: Do not contact my manager or my agent because then

1218
01:00:59,704 --> 01:01:01,704
Speaker 2: they will get mad at me and they'll say, what

1219
01:01:01,744 --> 01:01:04,584
Speaker 2: are you doing giving away free tickets? And what I'm

1220
01:01:04,624 --> 01:01:06,664
Speaker 2: doing is if people really want to go to show,

1221
01:01:06,704 --> 01:01:09,104
Speaker 2: but the shows are expensive, it's thirty five bucks and

1222
01:01:09,144 --> 01:01:14,943
Speaker 2: then twenty five dollars for nacho. So yeah, if you're

1223
01:01:14,984 --> 01:01:17,824
Speaker 2: willing to email me, I am willing to email you.

1224
01:01:17,824 --> 01:01:21,704
Speaker 1: You really for a person who, like you know, talks

1225
01:01:21,704 --> 01:01:23,984
Speaker 1: a lot about sort of your challenges or sort of

1226
01:01:24,024 --> 01:01:28,144
Speaker 1: like as an introvert, you really put yourself out a lot. Yeah,

1227
01:01:28,224 --> 01:01:31,584
Speaker 1: amongst the strangers, well, like even that saying email me,

1228
01:01:31,584 --> 01:01:33,544
Speaker 1: I'll give you tickets to a show. Come to a

1229
01:01:33,584 --> 01:01:35,463
Speaker 1: coffee shop, I'll perform for you. Come to a zoom,

1230
01:01:35,504 --> 01:01:36,343
Speaker 1: I'll do my whole act.

1231
01:01:36,384 --> 01:01:41,224
Speaker 2: But they're my kind of people. Everybody's on mets. Everybody

1232
01:01:41,264 --> 01:01:42,384
Speaker 2: has a bit of a tremor.

1233
01:01:42,944 --> 01:01:43,224
Speaker 1: You know.

1234
01:01:43,424 --> 01:01:46,383
Speaker 2: People are like doing a little tart of dyscnesia with

1235
01:01:46,464 --> 01:01:50,784
Speaker 2: their mouths. You know, they're stemming. We're on the same page.

1236
01:01:50,824 --> 01:01:54,104
Speaker 1: Okay, you're my kind so I can trust if you

1237
01:01:54,104 --> 01:01:56,104
Speaker 1: want a free ticket to my show, you're the right

1238
01:01:56,184 --> 01:01:59,144
Speaker 1: kind of person. I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

1239
01:01:59,544 --> 01:02:02,503
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you've said you're my fan, you've

1240
01:02:02,544 --> 01:02:05,944
Speaker 2: already really opened your upsself up to criticism.

1241
01:02:07,904 --> 01:02:09,664
Speaker 1: And having said that, you're not a person who's like

1242
01:02:09,744 --> 01:02:12,144
Speaker 1: on social media coming on everything that happened.

1243
01:02:12,184 --> 01:02:15,704
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's not my thing. Like I if you're gonna,

1244
01:02:16,064 --> 01:02:20,104
Speaker 2: uh you know, tag me with some well crafted hate speech,

1245
01:02:21,304 --> 01:02:26,184
Speaker 2: I'm gonna like it and mute like like it.

1246
01:02:26,304 --> 01:02:28,784
Speaker 1: I saw it, You see it, and now you're gonna

1247
01:02:28,784 --> 01:02:31,863
Speaker 1: wait your band forever. You just you can talk about me,

1248
01:02:31,904 --> 01:02:34,464
Speaker 1: but I'll never hear it. Yeah, I mean, it's when

1249
01:02:34,544 --> 01:02:36,304
Speaker 1: he said it, because I have been when you brought

1250
01:02:36,344 --> 01:02:38,504
Speaker 1: up the roast, I laughed because I wrote a thing

1251
01:02:38,504 --> 01:02:41,744
Speaker 1: on my newsletter, my substach about the roasts, and that

1252
01:02:41,824 --> 01:02:43,544
Speaker 1: really was, like the point was to chart the history

1253
01:02:43,544 --> 01:02:45,464
Speaker 1: of the roast ays and how the history of the

1254
01:02:45,544 --> 01:02:47,624
Speaker 1: roast from like these private things that happened in the

1255
01:02:47,664 --> 01:02:50,264
Speaker 1: Friars Club in New York to like happening on TV

1256
01:02:50,304 --> 01:02:53,664
Speaker 1: in the sixties and seventies to then happening like you know,

1257
01:02:53,944 --> 01:02:56,184
Speaker 1: on Comedy Central, and the Chevy Chase ropes being the

1258
01:02:56,224 --> 01:02:58,544
Speaker 1: example of like we may maybe we should stop doing this,

1259
01:02:58,584 --> 01:03:00,544
Speaker 1: because that was the one that like he didn't know

1260
01:03:00,584 --> 01:03:02,823
Speaker 1: hardly anybody on the stage, and they thought he was

1261
01:03:02,824 --> 01:03:05,584
Speaker 1: an asshole, and and and then and then to like

1262
01:03:05,624 --> 01:03:08,744
Speaker 1: the Netflix era and so and I posted it on

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Speaker 1: my newsletter on substect people like good job, like you're

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Speaker 1: due once point. I posted an excerpt on Instagram, and

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Speaker 1: I've been flooded talk about hate speech with like uh uh, So,

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Speaker 1: I don't know which is I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I'm getting more gay or the in word. It's

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Speaker 1: it's splitty split. Sometimes I get both you're a gay

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Speaker 1: in word and you just yeah, and it's just like

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Speaker 1: I was talking about wife, like, yeah, it's just coming

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Speaker 1: in fast and furious, and I keep waiting for it

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Speaker 1: to abate. But I think because that roast has become

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Speaker 1: a huge part of the showbiz debate and the black

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Speaker 1: debate and the entertainment debate that and I think I

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Speaker 1: just became the one that, like the Rogan sphere could

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Speaker 1: be like, we'll just go to his instagram to say

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Speaker 1: all of our thoughts about it.

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Speaker 2: And the rich important Like, I thought it was so

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Speaker 2: odd that Ted Surrandos was there.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was so it's feeling very entertained the king. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: why do we know what you look like?

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Speaker 2: Why do you look like? Yes? So true?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just you know, of course, and we

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Speaker 1: all would love that call from Netflix that we'll put

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Speaker 1: your thing on there. But also like and then I

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Speaker 1: would see comedians in the audience and I'm like, did

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Speaker 1: you want to go and be in the audience or

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Speaker 1: were you all right? Because you're in business when that

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Speaker 1: looks you were assigned to be there and be in

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Speaker 1: the audience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I yeah, And I mean I love

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Speaker 2: that because I watch it every day. What am I

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Speaker 2: watching right now? Probably something from Netflix?

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love ted Saranda's He's a good he's a good hugger,

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Speaker 2: he's a girl. He gives a nice hug.

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Speaker 1: But it's funny that he's sitting center like like you know,

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Speaker 1: the camera's panning to him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like, yeah, that was that was strange. And oh

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Speaker 2: so it's it's very easy to criticize something I wasn't

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Speaker 2: asked to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no one to ask. Okay, that's a good question

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Speaker 1: because we've talked about finances and we've talked about what's

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Speaker 1: the number that Maria Bamford shows up at the Kevin

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Speaker 1: Hart roast to go on stage and be a part

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Speaker 1: of the roast. Oh, man, you don't really want to roast.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to roast, and I'm.

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Speaker 1: Not and you're not good, That's what I'm saying. So

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Speaker 1: you know you're not gonna yeah, you know you don't

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Speaker 1: want to roast that you still have your feelings still hurt.

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Speaker 1: That means all that you're gonna sit here.

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Speaker 2: It would have to be a statement, so i'd have

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Speaker 2: to It would be like one hundred thousand dollars and

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Speaker 2: then I would give the money away, uh to a

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Speaker 2: younger comic who is doing Kaitlin Palufo on the roast.

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Speaker 2: I'd go, Caitlin, this is for you.

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Speaker 1: It's a thousand dollars. That's enough.

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Speaker 2: That's enough. Well, that's enough. And then the whole time

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Speaker 2: I'd look like I'd be like Barney Frank was like Mittens.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking very angry the whole time.

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Speaker 1: But I know every time away, said Maria Bamford. Baba, just,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I didn't watch. I just watched the highlights, and it

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Speaker 2: looked everything.

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Speaker 1: You have to watch the highlights just it's like it's

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Speaker 1: like a barometer of like I just gotta know what's happening.

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Speaker 2: I gotta know what's happening. And I see, see what's

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Speaker 2: awful and uh or see yeah what everyone's upset upset about?

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Speaker 2: And uh it was upsetting and uh yeah, were you

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Speaker 2: asked to do the new Byron Allen? Uh No, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I did comics at least years ago. Yeah. Sometimes he

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would be shocked if I was ass

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know I know him actually because he's

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Speaker 1: I met him back in the day when I did it,

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Speaker 1: which he would remember, and then I met him now

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Speaker 1: that I'm sort of more he saw hey, come out,

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Speaker 1: he did the thing come out, Bell, I want to

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Speaker 1: be you, you know. And but he's been very clear

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Speaker 1: of what kind of comics he wants to book on that.

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Speaker 1: So I can't imagine that I would be getting that

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Speaker 1: call unless it's just going to be a meat grinder.

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Speaker 1: They're going to need like a certain number of comics

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Speaker 1: at some point, then maybe like a call come out.

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Speaker 1: We're just we're at the w's, we've gone through the

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Speaker 1: whole alphabet. We got to get come out. But he's

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Speaker 1: been very clear he doesn't want it to be political.

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Speaker 2: And well that was I heard. He was interviewed on

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Speaker 2: National Pubker Radio and uh and that was that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I thought, that's so fascinating, like hearing a comic like

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Speaker 2: having and it is just it's a perspective of like

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Speaker 2: this is a money making operation. I you know, Uh yeah,

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Speaker 2: I stand on no side of any political thing or no,

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Speaker 2: I stand on it. Actually that is a specific side, on.

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Speaker 1: A very specific side, the side that wants to make money.

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Speaker 1: But he means necessary. Yeah, and so it's a very

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Speaker 1: like like I was said, McDonald's started to sell salads

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Speaker 1: when salads were cool, right, so they're not anti salads.

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Speaker 1: They's like, but that doesn't we don't. So if you

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Speaker 1: guys like salads, we'll sell you salads. McDonald's would sell

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Speaker 1: healthy food, organic food all day long if we bought

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Speaker 1: it in enough numbers. And I think that's what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm going to where the and if suddenly scathing

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Speaker 1: political comedy made a lot of money, Byron, I would

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Speaker 1: would sell. I'd be on there. Come outs back again

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Speaker 1: for the fourth time this week. Tell us what you

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Speaker 1: don't like about Trump today? Come out? Well, thanks Byron

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Speaker 1: with his awkward segues. Come out So I hear you

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Speaker 1: hate Donald Trump? Thanks Byron.

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Speaker 2: What is it? Is it? Yeah? Oh that's so yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I was on the last round because I need

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Speaker 2: for bucks as much as anybody.

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Speaker 1: But also yeah, I mean it also sort of plays

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Speaker 1: for a com I mean, not that the show is

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Speaker 1: the show, but a comic who just is gonna go

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Speaker 1: and and not worry about whether or not this audience

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Speaker 1: has been there for five hours in a row is

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Speaker 1: going to lie. You know, you can just sort of think,

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Speaker 1: do your thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's and it's a nice way. It's it

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Speaker 2: is earning, and it is providing a job as Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the only thing I wonder as I go, as a

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Speaker 2: comedian who loves other comedians, give a bump on the pay,

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Speaker 2: you know, grand a peace is they're not going to

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Speaker 2: kill you. And that thing's going to air for forty

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Speaker 2: years till.

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Speaker 1: The end of time. Yeah, till the end of till

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Speaker 1: the till the lights go out over the world like that.

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Speaker 2: That's the kind of thing where I just go that.

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Speaker 2: But that's I'm sorry, and I should have said that

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Speaker 2: to your face, Byron, I know you're not listening. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He seems like a guy who would google his name.

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Speaker 1: He seems like, I feel like anybody who wants to

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Speaker 1: be a billion billionaire.

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Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, maybe on the.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he wants to know what the world thinks about

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Speaker 1: them on the pulse. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But uh well and then, uh so are you writing

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Speaker 2: a new Hour right now? Are you?

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Speaker 1: I mean? I so when I came back, I really had.

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Speaker 1: I really was like spent the first part of my

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Speaker 1: tour like I'm writing a new Hour. And I came

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Speaker 1: down to La did it at Largo, and I think

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Speaker 1: one person came from Netflix. So I am definitely working

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Speaker 1: on a new Hour. But I also know that there

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Speaker 1: might not be a place to sell, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, Like, so, I definitely there's an arc. There's

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Speaker 1: things I'm working on. Yeah, there's a theme. It's a

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Speaker 1: lot about like being a gen xer and the Sandwich

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Speaker 1: generation of taking care of my mom and my kids

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Speaker 1: and being an older dad and also sort of like

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Speaker 1: the generation gap between me and my kids. And there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of political stuff and so yeah, I definitely

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Speaker 1: there's a I've got a great closure. That's something that

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Speaker 1: wraps it all up. I feel very good about that,

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Speaker 1: you know, So like you know, so I do. I

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Speaker 1: definitely have like you know, you know, but I'm still

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Speaker 1: but I just sort of released myself in the idea

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Speaker 1: of like, oh I'm gonna sell it this year.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, like yeah, I know, uh yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping to sell it as an audio version or

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Speaker 2: you know, recording and then my current hour. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know if it will ever sell as

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Speaker 2: an actual special thing. But yeah, I've never put something

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Speaker 2: on just on my own. Have you ever done that?

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Speaker 1: I have not a not a special I mean not

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Speaker 1: since the early days. Like as the early days, I

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Speaker 1: would record an album at the punchline and be like god,

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Speaker 1: it's mighty yeah, but not since then. But I think that,

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Speaker 1: like again, part of this DIY thing is that I'm

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Speaker 1: looking for the podcast to be the thing that leads

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Speaker 1: the way. And if this sort of does what it's

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Speaker 1: supposed to do, then it's not as scary to put

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Speaker 1: it out alone. Because I do understand that these specials

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Speaker 1: now are just like you know, they's sort of the

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Speaker 1: I'm still around, you know.

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Speaker 2: They're well and people who really want to hear your

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Speaker 2: new stuff are going to be seriously pumped.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I mean, I love doing stand up and

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Speaker 1: it's the thing that if everything else, if I can

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Speaker 1: only do one thing, I would do that. But it's

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Speaker 1: just not possible. And also with three kids, I don't

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Speaker 1: don't want to be calling that much.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, oh god, yeah, no, no, no, no, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't even have kids. I have two dogs, and

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Speaker 2: I can't manage it.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for not calling your dogs at your children, because.

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Speaker 2: That's no no, oh my god. There's a reason I

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Speaker 2: did not have children, and that is because I am

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Speaker 2: what neglectful. Sometimes my dogs look at me like, hey, hey,

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Speaker 2: we're here, would you come on with a little affection.

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Speaker 1: Maybe eub Mama's at work. I'm going through some things

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I did just go through a divorce, which

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Speaker 2: I know this is a weird thing to close on,

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Speaker 2: but uh big divorce closer. Yeah, we did make an

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Speaker 2: agreement like that. I wouldn't talk. I don't talk about

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Speaker 2: it as a comedic thing, just to say that. The

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Speaker 2: fun funny thing was I think I love him dearly.

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Speaker 2: I know he loves me, and uh just you know,

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Speaker 2: it's just realizing that I think both of us thought

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Speaker 2: we would change the other and instead of yeah, and

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Speaker 2: that's just everybody does, and then instead we both just

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Speaker 2: doubled down. And and he's from Philly, which is you know,

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Speaker 2: kind of a yeah, tough way, tough water to grow up.

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Speaker 2: And then I'm from Minnesota, which is very Uh yeah,

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Speaker 2: I just see every I always think everything's gonna be okay,

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Speaker 2: which I'm wrong. I'm wrong. You know, the world is

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Speaker 2: a dangerous place.

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Speaker 1: It's not great, but it is good to have a

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Speaker 1: positive attitude to get through things. Well.

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Speaker 2: Jackie also says, I hope I die surprised, you know,

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01:12:52,744 --> 01:12:55,584
Speaker 2: like like, oh, I had no idea this guy was

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01:12:55,624 --> 01:13:10,704
Speaker 2: a I'm gonna be shot in the face. But yeah,

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01:13:10,824 --> 01:13:15,784
Speaker 2: but yeah, but there's some sense of like I think, yeah, failure.

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01:13:16,024 --> 01:13:18,624
Speaker 2: I think I'd hoped that I would Uh if I

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01:13:18,824 --> 01:13:22,464
Speaker 2: worked hard enough on it, it would only get better.

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Speaker 2: And it's like, oh man, we worked so hard on it.

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01:13:25,784 --> 01:13:30,384
Speaker 2: We did all the things that old magazine, Oprah magazine

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01:13:30,384 --> 01:13:30,944
Speaker 2: says to do.

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Speaker 1: Anderson knows, I'm sure.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for saying that. I uh, but yeah,

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01:13:39,144 --> 01:13:43,744
Speaker 2: I just go. I just didn't. It's it's tough. It is, Uh,

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01:13:43,904 --> 01:13:48,144
Speaker 2: it was, it was tough. And but he yeah, and

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01:13:48,184 --> 01:13:51,624
Speaker 2: now he's available. I'm available. But I do know that

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01:13:51,664 --> 01:13:53,944
Speaker 2: I don't think I'll ever live with someone again because

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01:13:54,464 --> 01:13:56,744
Speaker 2: I don't need I don't I don't need a monitor

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01:13:57,384 --> 01:14:01,144
Speaker 2: like watching me do stuff and going why load why'd

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01:14:01,144 --> 01:14:05,104
Speaker 2: you load the refrigerator like it's a prank show, because

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01:14:05,144 --> 01:14:08,504
Speaker 2: I like the stuff that rolls and that's heavy on top,

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01:14:11,184 --> 01:14:11,784
Speaker 2: like a little.

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Speaker 1: Drama over there for you might have to catch up. Yeah, yeah, oh,

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01:14:17,184 --> 01:14:21,864
Speaker 1: it's it's an adventure. This conversation has been everything I

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01:14:21,864 --> 01:14:22,784
Speaker 1: wanted to be in more.

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01:14:24,544 --> 01:14:26,984
Speaker 2: Congratulations on the new podcast.

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01:14:26,424 --> 01:14:29,624
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank congratulations on being you and

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01:14:29,664 --> 01:14:32,464
Speaker 1: continuing to be you at a time before I let

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01:14:32,464 --> 01:14:35,064
Speaker 1: you go to last little questions one ask everybody if

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01:14:35,064 --> 01:14:38,024
Speaker 1: there's an organization or cause they want people to know

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01:14:38,064 --> 01:14:40,744
Speaker 1: about or support, because we my audience likes homework and

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01:14:40,744 --> 01:14:42,584
Speaker 1: they would need to know what they what they should

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01:14:42,624 --> 01:14:43,864
Speaker 1: be paying attention to. They may not know.

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01:14:44,224 --> 01:14:47,664
Speaker 2: Okay, well, there's a downtown Women's center which provides housing

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01:14:47,784 --> 01:14:51,264
Speaker 2: and support, health and job training to the skid Row

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01:14:51,304 --> 01:14:55,384
Speaker 2: neighborhood of Los Angeles. Wow, women in Los Angeles and

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01:14:55,504 --> 01:15:00,784
Speaker 2: they're fantastic and yeah, just a really uh lady and

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01:15:00,864 --> 01:15:05,424
Speaker 2: lady identified only uh a space where it's safe for

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01:15:05,544 --> 01:15:09,944
Speaker 2: women to go and uh in an area downtown Los Angeles.

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01:15:09,984 --> 01:15:11,064
Speaker 2: So I totally support the.

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01:15:11,264 --> 01:15:14,064
Speaker 1: There's a lot of good organizations, you know that skid

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01:15:14,104 --> 01:15:16,344
Speaker 1: Row gets. It's easy to get skid Row a bad

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01:15:16,424 --> 01:15:19,544
Speaker 1: rap and you know, certainly people, especially candidates running from

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01:15:19,544 --> 01:15:21,824
Speaker 1: mayor of LA love to do that. But there's a

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01:15:21,904 --> 01:15:23,864
Speaker 1: lot of good organizations. Maybe one candidate in.

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01:15:23,784 --> 01:15:27,584
Speaker 2: Particular, yeah, oh really, which one is? Say, oh, what's his?

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01:15:27,624 --> 01:15:28,624
Speaker 1: But yeah, what's his bud?

1516
01:15:28,664 --> 01:15:29,624
Speaker 2: Spencer Pratt?

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01:15:29,744 --> 01:15:33,264
Speaker 1: Yeah, So by the time this errors, hopefully he won't

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01:15:33,304 --> 01:15:37,144
Speaker 1: be the mayor. But skid Row is a you know,

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01:15:37,464 --> 01:15:39,024
Speaker 1: we shot an episode of The United Shades down there.

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01:15:39,104 --> 01:15:41,664
Speaker 1: It's an incredible like just a community down there. They

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01:15:41,704 --> 01:15:44,984
Speaker 1: just need support and resources. Yes, you know, yeah, they

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01:15:45,064 --> 01:15:47,864
Speaker 1: actually enjoy a lot of them enjoy living down there

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01:15:47,904 --> 01:15:49,864
Speaker 1: and being around each other, having that community, but they

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01:15:49,864 --> 01:15:51,144
Speaker 1: need resources. Yeah.

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01:15:51,424 --> 01:15:54,584
Speaker 2: No, it's so awful how they just keep pulling up

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01:15:54,624 --> 01:15:57,704
Speaker 2: everybody's tense. It's like what, Yeah, it's so stupid.

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01:15:57,904 --> 01:15:58,984
Speaker 1: Thank you for supporting that.

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01:15:59,024 --> 01:15:59,344
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1529
01:15:59,504 --> 01:16:01,584
Speaker 1: And last question the podcast is who's with me?

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01:16:01,664 --> 01:16:01,704
Speaker 2: So?

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01:16:01,744 --> 01:16:02,944
Speaker 1: Are you with me? Oh?

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01:16:03,024 --> 01:16:03,744
Speaker 2: I'm with you?

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01:16:03,864 --> 01:16:07,984
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, you have no idea like as like I said,

1534
01:16:07,984 --> 01:16:10,104
Speaker 1: I heard about you from Dwayne, So you're just sort

1535
01:16:10,144 --> 01:16:13,904
Speaker 1: of like this history ghost wraith of a person over there,

1536
01:16:14,144 --> 01:16:16,424
Speaker 1: and I do that. We eventually became friendly with each other,

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01:16:16,504 --> 01:16:19,904
Speaker 1: like it's just been an honor to be associated with

1538
01:16:19,944 --> 01:16:21,384
Speaker 1: you and have you out there as one of the

1539
01:16:21,424 --> 01:16:23,624
Speaker 1: comedy people I feel like gives stand up comedy a

1540
01:16:23,664 --> 01:16:25,784
Speaker 1: good name. And thank you for agreeing to do this.

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01:16:25,984 --> 01:16:28,664
Speaker 2: Right back at you, I am so honored to be

1542
01:16:28,784 --> 01:16:32,104
Speaker 2: on a show. And I can't wait to see Margaret

1543
01:16:32,264 --> 01:16:35,424
Speaker 2: Choe in the lobby.

1544
01:16:36,904 --> 01:16:39,024
Speaker 1: Did they tell you Margaret Shoe was coming later? In

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01:16:39,024 --> 01:16:39,984
Speaker 1: case you guys had beef.

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01:16:40,344 --> 01:16:41,664
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, beef.

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01:16:41,904 --> 01:16:44,264
Speaker 1: Yea. Mark's got a lot of beef with people, and

1548
01:16:44,344 --> 01:16:46,424
Speaker 1: maybe she has beef with you. But anyway, that's so good.

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01:16:46,624 --> 01:16:51,304
Speaker 1: Thank you, Okay, thank you hey everybody. That was my

1550
01:16:51,464 --> 01:16:55,144
Speaker 1: conversation with Maria Bamford. Thank you for listening to Who's

1551
01:16:55,184 --> 01:16:57,904
Speaker 1: with Me or watching it however you're getting it. Please

1552
01:16:57,984 --> 01:17:00,584
Speaker 1: hit the like and subscribe or review it. Give us

1553
01:17:00,584 --> 01:17:02,504
Speaker 1: five stars. You can be critical in the comments, but

1554
01:17:02,544 --> 01:17:04,784
Speaker 1: give us five stars. To help spread the word. Share

1555
01:17:04,824 --> 01:17:07,904
Speaker 1: this with your friends, your family, your enemies. That's the

1556
01:17:07,904 --> 01:17:09,384
Speaker 1: best way to get the podcast out there in the

1557
01:17:09,424 --> 01:17:11,504
Speaker 1: world we're still building, is to share with our friends

1558
01:17:11,504 --> 01:17:13,944
Speaker 1: and family. I want to shout out in Maria Bamford's car,

1559
01:17:14,144 --> 01:17:17,344
Speaker 1: she talked about the Downtown Women's Center in LA. It's

1560
01:17:17,384 --> 01:17:22,104
Speaker 1: at Downtownwomencenter dot org. You can donate, you can buy merch.

1561
01:17:22,544 --> 01:17:26,144
Speaker 1: They are trying to get every woman house of the

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01:17:26,224 --> 01:17:31,104
Speaker 1: unhoused community, so Downtown Women's Center dot org. I also

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01:17:31,104 --> 01:17:34,424
Speaker 1: want to say thank you to Ravagrant Productions for literally

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01:17:34,464 --> 01:17:37,943
Speaker 1: helping me send this up today. Shout out to Pushkin

1565
01:17:38,064 --> 01:17:42,144
Speaker 1: Industries for hosting the podcast. Also to who Knows Best Productions,

1566
01:17:42,184 --> 01:17:45,304
Speaker 1: which is at this point, just me and this camera

1567
01:17:45,344 --> 01:17:47,304
Speaker 1: that I can't get to work. Special thanks to Chris

1568
01:17:47,344 --> 01:17:52,384
Speaker 1: Dowd from the legendary Fishbone for the theme song and

1569
01:17:52,784 --> 01:17:55,863
Speaker 1: also again, check me out on substack. Go to substack

1570
01:17:55,944 --> 01:17:58,504
Speaker 1: look for Who's with Me. It's the newsletter based on

1571
01:17:58,544 --> 01:18:00,344
Speaker 1: the podcast. That's the best way to keep up with

1572
01:18:00,384 --> 01:18:03,344
Speaker 1: everything I'm doing. And also remember going into this week,

1573
01:18:03,424 --> 01:18:06,104
Speaker 1: do something good for yourself, for your community, and for

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01:18:06,184 --> 01:18:18,624
Speaker 1: the world. See you next time. Everybody expected, expect expected,