Speaker 1: The NBA Finals are here, and we finally have the
Speaker 1: matchup we anticipated prior to recording last week's episode. In
Speaker 1: a very unlikely near comeback, I will say, uh, I
Speaker 1: was sweating a bit. I did put the pampers underneath
Speaker 1: my armpits to absorb all of the sweat. And we've
Speaker 1: got the nuggets. We've gotten the heat and we'll go
Speaker 1: into the series expectations and more with Nugget beat Rider
Speaker 1: TJ McBride. See that's a little bit of hip hop
Speaker 1: for you on today this episode. I'm Miles Gray and
Speaker 1: I'm Jack O'Brien and this is Jack Jack Ship Dakers.
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Speaker 1: the Okay, shoot time, what you go?
Speaker 2: Yes, what happen? And everyone yea heat nuggets? A joke
Speaker 2: about like what it? What is this lunchtime? Heat nuggets?
Speaker 2: What is this instruction for frozen food? Heat nuggets?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Has officially been done? Has been done?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: You heard my mixtape straight heat Nuggets.
Speaker 2: Somebody even put in case Miami wins this like here's
Speaker 2: my draft and like weted it out like a week
Speaker 2: before it actually happened, so we've all been beat to it.
Speaker 2: I was going to come up with that joke on
Speaker 2: my own in like four days. So okay, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1: But first, let's welcome TJ. McBride. Are very team Jay. Yes,
Speaker 1: so DJ, you're from La, right, yes?
Speaker 4: Originally yep.
Speaker 1: And then you came up as a Lakers fan.
Speaker 4: Yes, I did, born and raised Lakers fan, watching Derek
Speaker 4: Fisher hit point three second shots, growing up on Kobe.
Speaker 4: That was my entire childhood. Kobe roud La and that
Speaker 4: was everything that we ever knew was basketball people, and it's.
Speaker 1: Win here today, fantas and then. But but now you
Speaker 1: now you find yourself covering the Denver Nuggets for almost
Speaker 1: a little over a decade now, yeah.
Speaker 4: Pretty damn close to a decade now. I think it's
Speaker 4: like nine and a half, ten years. I think I
Speaker 4: think July is ten years, so it's it's a long time.
Speaker 4: When you say it like that.
Speaker 1: Wow, So you've you've seen it all.
Speaker 4: I was there for you just for a Summer League
Speaker 4: game in Vegas. I've seen the very very very start
Speaker 4: of this all the way through now right right.
Speaker 2: And you saw it coming from the start. I remember yeah,
Speaker 2: said never. You said when he got drafted during that
Speaker 2: Taco Bell commercial, you were like, that's we're going to
Speaker 2: be framing him a screen.
Speaker 4: King Sorito will be the second most impactful thing in
Speaker 4: that screen right there. Yeah, that's crazy that you go
Speaker 4: back to that summer league. He was abnormally good, like
Speaker 4: you watched him, and it still didn't make sense the
Speaker 4: same way it does today. And yet he was still
Speaker 4: doing these preposterous things on a basketball court even back then.
Speaker 4: That was what twenty twelve he was doing that. So
Speaker 4: it was absolutely insane to see him come here, but
Speaker 4: no one thought he would be the MVP back to back,
Speaker 4: arguably should have been three times and now in the finals.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's insane to see where he come from
Speaker 4: to this point now.
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 2: So I've been saying I've been posing this question to
Speaker 2: everybody I talked to you about the NBA that they
Speaker 2: look heading into the finals obviously could change like they
Speaker 2: might be the best NBA team I've witnessed since the
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant Warriors.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I All season long, I've been saying that
Speaker 4: there's been this inevitability feeling with the Nuggets no matter
Speaker 4: what the score or the time is that they're going
Speaker 4: to find a way. And that was very reminiscent to
Speaker 4: me of that exact Warriors team where you would just
Speaker 4: hit that third quarter and it didn't matter if you
Speaker 4: were up by fifteen or if you were down by six,
Speaker 4: you were losing that game by twenty. And that's how
Speaker 4: it's felt all season long, and even in the playoffs
Speaker 4: it's felt exactly the same way. I mean, this is
Speaker 4: a Nuggets team that is what is it first and
Speaker 4: offensive rating, a couple points away from fifth and defensive
Speaker 4: rating and is just far and away the best net
Speaker 4: rating team in basketball, no turnovers, hitting threes from everywhere,
Speaker 4: best talent on the court, role players coming through. This
Speaker 4: team is just turned into a monster, and there's so
Speaker 4: many ways that they can hurt you. I've been saying
Speaker 4: that they have more optionality than any team in basketball.
Speaker 4: They can hit more buttons and find more counters than
Speaker 4: anybody else. And that's why they've gotten here. They haven't
Speaker 4: had any moment where it felt like there was an
Speaker 4: obstacle they couldn't get over no matter who they played.
Speaker 2: Now on the other side of the versus sign a
Speaker 2: team that didn't feel inevitable heading into the playoffs or
Speaker 2: at any point this season until I would argue heading
Speaker 2: into the Eastern Conference Finals like they were, you know,
Speaker 2: massive underdogs, but they just felt like something inevitable, like
Speaker 2: based on how they were playing in the playoffs, based
Speaker 2: on how Boston was playing in the playoffs heading into
Speaker 2: the series. I picked the Heat in seven just based
Speaker 2: on the mathematical pattern of Boston went to six in
Speaker 2: round one. They had no right losing that series or
Speaker 2: even not sweeping that series. They went to seven in
Speaker 2: round two, had no right going to seven in that
Speaker 2: series with that Philly team. I think it's gonna keep going, folks.
Speaker 2: And it did, even though I forgot that and thought
Speaker 2: that the Heat were screwed heading into Game seven.
Speaker 4: I thought it was done. I thought there was no chance.
Speaker 4: It was like the extremely slow object hitting the extremely
Speaker 4: flimsy wall, Like where's the Celtics gonna collapse mentally? Or
Speaker 4: were the Heat going to find a way to drag
Speaker 4: this out to seven and make it an ugly, ugly
Speaker 4: Eastern Conference Finals win? And that is exactly what played out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I.
Speaker 2: Will say I don't have the same feeling of you know,
Speaker 2: the people are sleeping on the heat here heading into
Speaker 2: the finals that I did heading into the Eastern Conference front.
Speaker 1: That feeling for me would have been at its height
Speaker 1: because again, last episode, we were on the precipice of
Speaker 1: them sweeping and I was like, well, okay, this shit
Speaker 1: looks like it's a rap, it's a Christmas gift. And yeah,
Speaker 1: when I was like, even if they went to six games,
Speaker 1: I think I would have still felt good. The fact
Speaker 1: that it went to seven, I'm like, oh, yeah, they
Speaker 1: they they're capable of, you know, getting touched and and
Speaker 1: then and obviously being on the receiving end of the
Speaker 1: battering of being a Lakers fan, I was like, oh yeah, no, no, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all got nothing for this because what I what happened
Speaker 1: out there, I don't want to remember again, although it
Speaker 1: was a fantastic series just to watch like again just
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, this is the best team in
Speaker 1: the league, and yeah, this is what it takes, like
Speaker 1: this is the level you need to be at if
Speaker 1: you want to say we're going to the finals or
Speaker 1: we are the you know, the champion.
Speaker 4: And as much as being elite, there's there's no mistakes
Speaker 4: made from Denver. I mean you walked down the Lakers series.
Speaker 4: They have the lowest turnover percentage in all of basketball.
Speaker 4: In the playoffs right now, they just continually machine through
Speaker 4: you surgically and there's just nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, buzz Saw is the machine that I've heard them
Speaker 2: compared to the most. But let's talk about so. I mean,
Speaker 2: Boston did make it extremely interesting. The second half of
Speaker 2: Game four was uh you know that that was I
Speaker 2: texted Jabari in the third quarter and said, first three
Speaker 2: to zero, comeback because they just that's that's the feeling
Speaker 2: that Boston gives you when they're playing their best. I
Speaker 2: think Charles Barkley said it at one point that like,
Speaker 2: if Miami plays their best and Boston plays their best,
Speaker 2: Boston's gonna win every time. Yes, And it seemed like
Speaker 2: they had just kind of put it together for a
Speaker 2: while and then things slowed down in Game six. But
Speaker 2: Game six was epic.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that that game winner from Derek White almost
Speaker 1: I almost ruined a family trip. I was so devastated
Speaker 1: when I was like, I was like, oh no, that's that. No,
Speaker 1: the buzzer went off. Now I was late, and then
Speaker 1: the second down I'm like, no, oh my gosh, and
Speaker 1: more so to be like I can't At that point,
Speaker 1: it really felt like, oh, is the universe about to
Speaker 1: like shine its light on the Boston Celtics right now,
Speaker 1: because that I was getting a little bit wobbly there
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 3: One one bomb, but the buzzle sounded the wife, what's on?
Speaker 3: It'll be reviewed after protect the offensive rebound? Whoa he
Speaker 3: got rid of it?
Speaker 2: Me a Celtics Game seven, and that that game six
Speaker 2: game winner was of course after Jimmy Butler did what
Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler does and stormed back and just forced his
Speaker 2: will on the Celtics and the you know laws of physics,
Speaker 2: Like I still just feel like I'm seeing something that
Speaker 2: is unlike anything I've seen before on a basketball court,
Speaker 2: Like when he just gets it going because he's like
Speaker 2: trying really hard to get it going.
Speaker 4: If it's a cheesy anime world where he's like finding
Speaker 4: the power of plogharm and just like developing more from nothing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's incredible, and it like it's at the point now
Speaker 4: that you can't quantify it, like is it gonna be
Speaker 4: enough to beat Denver? Eight? Damn will could be like
Speaker 4: who's gonna pick against Butler doing this like they are
Speaker 4: not going to win this series unless he is at
Speaker 4: that level of godly basketball player. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: it's gonna take seven games with that to be able
Speaker 4: to do so. But he is in a world that
Speaker 4: you just don't see people reach as a basketball player.
Speaker 4: But that Ain'tkle looks bad like he had no pop
Speaker 4: in Game seven at all, and I'm worried about seeing
Speaker 4: Butler try and turned corners going into this after seven
Speaker 4: game series in altitude against Denver in Game one of
Speaker 4: the finals two days later.
Speaker 1: Altitude is believable.
Speaker 2: I think the altitude is being underrated a little bit.
Speaker 2: I talked about it a lot in the Lakers series
Speaker 2: because as somebody who experienced altitude climbing a volcano a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, and I was doing it with
Speaker 2: a bunch of like twenty somethings, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is like hangovers, Like this is one of those
Speaker 2: things that just gets way worse with age. So I
Speaker 2: felt for Lebron heading into that. I was like, uh, oh,
Speaker 2: this could be bad. And then Jimmy always looks gassed
Speaker 2: like he he'll do an amazing thing and then will
Speaker 2: look like he just did an amazing thing and that
Speaker 2: that required like all of the life force in his body.
Speaker 4: Or he'll get hurt and rolling ankle and suddenly find
Speaker 4: his jump shot. Like the guy plays never I've never
Speaker 4: seen anybody.
Speaker 1: Like Yeah, he's like Maximus and Gladiator. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, I don't know, out of kind
Speaker 1: and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 4: You're like, what all The altitude thing is so interesting though,
Speaker 4: because I've talked to so many people about it after
Speaker 4: covering a decade of hoops in Denver, and every single
Speaker 4: one says a different thing. Like some say, oh, no,
Speaker 4: you just have a quick like first wall, you hit
Speaker 4: a altitude and the second you push through it, then
Speaker 4: you're usually fine on your second wind, and that takes
Speaker 4: five six minutes in the first quarter. Other people say
Speaker 4: it destroys them. Some say they don't feel it at all,
Speaker 4: like the Nuggets love to steer into it. Even says
Speaker 4: fifty to eighty on the hot on the free throw line.
Speaker 4: They love steering into it. But I don't know if
Speaker 4: this is as much of a real scientific impact as
Speaker 4: people want to make it out to be. Considering these
Speaker 4: are the best athletes and some of the best conditioned
Speaker 4: athletes that are on earth.
Speaker 2: So are you implying that when I climbed the volcano,
Speaker 2: I was not one of the best conditioned athletes.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, not a Jimmy Butler athlete, no, nothing but respect.
Speaker 4: But that's a different level, and they tend to push through.
Speaker 4: So I wonder if the altitude is as big as
Speaker 4: a deal as people like to make it.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean because on some level, right, like a
Speaker 1: lot of elite athletes, they train at high altitude for
Speaker 1: the reason that it's a benefit to your endurance. So
Speaker 1: I think like on some level, right, it's like passively
Speaker 1: they're already training at an elite level by the altitude.
Speaker 1: But it is hard for me to say and that's
Speaker 1: all it is, because that's not true. You know, the
Speaker 1: otherwise powers of.
Speaker 4: Being in Denver to begin acclimating, and then you just
Speaker 4: have to push through that first layer of oh wow,
Speaker 4: I'm feeling my first you know, struggles a little bit
Speaker 4: earlier than I normally would in a regular game. So
Speaker 4: it's not gonna like derail series.
Speaker 1: That's kind of right to It got to the point
Speaker 1: where I was I was in my conspiracy theory bag
Speaker 1: during an hour series with that, I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, because Jack, you were like, look, it's
Speaker 1: not Lebron being thirty eight and ortal, it's the altitude.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's what it is. He's doing it.
Speaker 2: He looked more gasp than he did for sure, But.
Speaker 1: I think that's probably confluence of things. But so, like
Speaker 1: in but I started googling, I was like, okay, what
Speaker 1: a how are these other Denver teams doing. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what's like, how the white Caps doing, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Or the Raps I'm sorry, the Rapids doing
Speaker 1: because I'm like, yeah, that's that's Vancouver. I was like
Speaker 1: their MLS team because I was thinking, like, that's another
Speaker 1: cardiovascular intensive sport, and I'm like, that must come out.
Speaker 1: There must be proofing.
Speaker 2: The putt in there of their record is not that great, Son,
Speaker 2: combination of franchise history is not great. But yeah, but
Speaker 2: I think it's seven game series smiling right now against
Speaker 2: a thirty a team that where the whole heart of
Speaker 2: the team is a thirty eight year old.
Speaker 1: I think there's thirty eight. Stop saying it like it's
Speaker 1: a bad thing. I can't. I can't. It's as someone
Speaker 1: who's thirty eight years old. I'm tired of hearing this
Speaker 1: thirty years.
Speaker 4: Old fossil for MBA. He's still standing at this point
Speaker 4: with what his needs have taken.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but it's just so funny to me continuously
Speaker 1: when that number is like just parroted and like thirty
Speaker 1: eight and I'm like, I'm you know, I have a
Speaker 1: little bit of it bands pain, But that's I can
Speaker 1: just because.
Speaker 2: Not even legal to have an elderly person like that
Speaker 2: playing in the league or dentures get knocked out. All right,
Speaker 2: let's take a quick break. We'll come back and we
Speaker 2: will preview this series that we're all facing down and
Speaker 2: we're back and all right. So, I mean, one thing
Speaker 2: we didn't really touch on on our recap Game seven
Speaker 2: incredible performances all around Caleb Martin in particular, is Caleb
Speaker 2: Martin having the best playoffs by someone who averaged under
Speaker 2: ten in the regular season.
Speaker 4: Like, I don't remember another one like this. I mean,
Speaker 4: you might want to go the Andre iguidalar out simply
Speaker 4: because he didn't play in the regular season and he
Speaker 4: decides to play in the playoffs. But I haven't seen
Speaker 4: a player who was put so low. If you would
Speaker 4: have ranked the NBA players like he was not a
Speaker 4: starter on his own team. He was the sixth or
Speaker 4: seventh guy on the heat, let alone one of the
Speaker 4: best scorers efficiency wise in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Right now, I've.
Speaker 4: Never seen someone become this much more of themselves in
Speaker 4: this kind of a setting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Caleb Martin him for sure, because I
Speaker 1: was the same. I was like, well, who I was ignorant.
Speaker 1: I was a little bit like, huh.
Speaker 4: Got to put some respect on the Martin twins names.
Speaker 4: Even going back to Nevada, those two were dogs every
Speaker 4: single step of the way they've been fighting. I got
Speaker 4: a lot of respect for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah see, And again I shown my ignorance and it
Speaker 1: has come back in my face because I was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, no, he's this is something. But yeah, that,
Speaker 1: like that sort of turnaround is kind of unheard of
Speaker 1: because I think the other examples that we could think
Speaker 1: of were people who we knew were like a little
Speaker 1: more established, so it wasn't too much of a surprise,
Speaker 1: whereas Caleb Martin is yeah like Rondo, yeah yeah right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely see.
Speaker 4: Max Strus and Caleb Martin and Gabe Vincent and Dusted
Speaker 4: off Duncan Robinson just off the shelf doing all this
Speaker 4: is the most heat thing it can imagine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but all right, so the series the finals. First
Speaker 2: of all, you're going to have a historic underdog winning
Speaker 2: the title this year. We know this because the biggest
Speaker 2: underdogs to win the NBA Championship at start of playoffs
Speaker 2: since nineteen ninety two nineteen ninety three, the Heats odds
Speaker 2: were plus twelve thousand, five hundred. The implied probability there
Speaker 2: is less than one percent. That's the lowest odds. The
Speaker 2: twenty eleven Mavericks were had an implied probability of five
Speaker 2: point three percent. Nineteen ninety five Rockets implied probability of
Speaker 2: five point three percent. The fourth longest odds would be
Speaker 2: the Denver Nuggets this year nine point one percent, which, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're like, for people paying attention, it has felt a
Speaker 2: little inevitable, but like it just seemed like it got
Speaker 2: missed by the mainstream sports media or the betting public,
Speaker 2: like just because they're a small market, I guess.
Speaker 4: I mean, they're a flyover city. And this is why
Speaker 4: Michael Malone's been yelling so much, Like you have an
Speaker 4: orthodox star player, you have a city in the middle
Speaker 4: of the country that no one wants to go to
Speaker 4: because the airport is so far from downtown, and you
Speaker 4: have just a group of people who are playing team
Speaker 4: basketball with no hero ball whatsoever, trying to make it
Speaker 4: work in an old school let's build it ourselves chemistry sense,
Speaker 4: like that doesn't work. It doesn't appeal to people. There's
Speaker 4: no theatrics. It's not drama filled, like they just go
Speaker 4: to work and they handle business. I think this is
Speaker 4: why people like Chris Mannix and all these conversations about
Speaker 4: the Nuggets being boring or not compelling.
Speaker 1: Is it's wrong.
Speaker 4: But I can understand how they get there in a
Speaker 4: lazy sense, like you look at them on paper and
Speaker 4: you're like, what is there to like get really excited about.
Speaker 4: But you get into the weeds and you see what
Speaker 4: they've come through. It's a heck of a lot more exciting.
Speaker 4: Jamal Murray has probably returned from an ACL injury as
Speaker 4: best as anybody has. I've never seen anyone come back
Speaker 4: from ACL diad it in their first season back be
Speaker 4: able to put together a run like this and play
Speaker 4: this long without their need failing them. Nikola Jokich is
Speaker 4: one of one. We've never seen anything like him before,
Speaker 4: so the idea that this isn't interesting to me is crazy,
Speaker 4: and the fact that people missed it was just ignorance,
Speaker 4: Like this is something that people just didn't take the
Speaker 4: time to watch the Nuggets because frankly, they weren't as
Speaker 4: interesting as the Lakers failing. People would rather watch the
Speaker 4: Lakers go through the chaos they did when Russ was
Speaker 4: there and get excited about the hype of Malik Beasley,
Speaker 4: who did not even play against his former team in
Speaker 4: the Western Conference or in the Western Conference semis like.
Speaker 4: I don't know why we feel that way, but the
Speaker 4: entire grand narrative of the NBA is always going to
Speaker 4: be transactional. It's always going to be about trades and
Speaker 4: rumors and who is doing what. It's not as much
Speaker 4: about basketball. We haven't trained casual fans as media well
Speaker 4: enough for them to even know what a horn's action is.
Speaker 4: Like we can sit back and watch a cover three
Speaker 4: get played out by an NFL analyst in every single
Speaker 4: football game, but nobody knows what it is to put
Speaker 4: a horn set out there, or to have a see
Speaker 4: corner play, or what a flare screen is. So I
Speaker 4: feel like.
Speaker 1: A lot of the.
Speaker 4: Yea one of them. But that's the problem. I mean,
Speaker 4: we it's hard to enjoy basketball for basketball when the
Speaker 4: fans watching it aren't necessarily watching.
Speaker 1: I remember, like in the Warrior series where Lebron clocked
Speaker 1: like that hammer play on the inbounds, people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's a genius. Like people like that's a play.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was like in every single playbook and existence
Speaker 4: from eighth grade basketball through like, this is not an
Speaker 4: unbelievably inventive way of playing the game.
Speaker 1: And we've talked about this Jack that there is this
Speaker 1: like sort of outsized emphasis sometimes like who messed up? Ye?
Speaker 1: Who more fundled?
Speaker 4: Who?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly who's don Beebie this time?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: The coverage is Boston's collapse and the Bucks, the Milwaukee
Speaker 2: Bucks collapse, And it's like, I don't know, are you
Speaker 2: sure that's what we're watching? You sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah? That's what? You're not really good that the Nuggets are.
Speaker 4: You used to wanting to click on that They're only
Speaker 4: going to click on stuff like that and they're never
Speaker 4: going to read anything actual.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because I mean I can say this, I just again,
Speaker 1: watching even as such a partisan fan, as a Laker fan,
Speaker 1: I knew go. I was like, oh no, this team
Speaker 1: is so good, Like it's difficult to watch because I'm
Speaker 1: rooting for the team that has no chance of winning,
Speaker 1: but pardon me, loves basketball enough to go they're so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah they can't.
Speaker 4: I want to say on this, Matt Moore made a
Speaker 4: great point. Works for the Action Network. He's on NBA
Speaker 4: Twitter like crazy. Everyone probably knows who he is. But
Speaker 4: he made a point that it's not the national journal
Speaker 4: journalism media that don't know. It's the TV people. It's
Speaker 4: the ones that sit down, have a game to cover,
Speaker 4: get a one sheet of information, and they talk about
Speaker 4: the game in front of them. Most national reporters, Howard,
Speaker 4: Bakmeir and Fader, all these different people who write long
Speaker 4: feature stories, they all know what the Nuggets have been doing.
Speaker 4: This isn't surprising. It's the ones who are usually television based,
Speaker 4: who don't have a need to be able to know
Speaker 4: everything and are only going to use very base level
Speaker 4: and surface level analysis anyway, who haven't taken the time
Speaker 4: to learn. It's like Lisa Salter is saying she hadn't
Speaker 4: watched Ki since he played in the bubble, thus three
Speaker 4: years ago not watch that could be in either of
Speaker 4: his two seasons. So I wonder if a lot of
Speaker 4: this is the talking heads that we always see are
Speaker 4: the ones that we're hearing from the most about not
Speaker 4: knowing and the actual national media who was writing in
Speaker 4: a day to day basis traveling to learn about these
Speaker 4: games do know. They're just not the ones on TV
Speaker 4: yelling at it.
Speaker 2: Ye, I saw everything I needed in the bubble. I
Speaker 2: think I think I got this guy figured out, figured clear.
Speaker 4: Indicator of who a player is in the bubble.
Speaker 1: That makes total sense, right, Oh yeah, look Jamal Murray,
Speaker 1: I saw him in the bubble. No thanks, Wait what
Speaker 1: you saw him?
Speaker 4: These are that same Jamal Murray a couple of weeks
Speaker 4: ago too, So you definitely aren't feeling that anymore.
Speaker 1: No, No, I was like, oh no, Lise, I mean
Speaker 1: to that, like, you know, where where? How did you like,
Speaker 1: where did you predict the Nuggets would be? Did you
Speaker 1: are you saying they were going to be in the
Speaker 1: finals this year? Winning?
Speaker 4: So on the Nuggets going to the finals this year,
Speaker 4: I just knew what they needed, and they needed a
Speaker 4: perimeter defense and dog who can actually fight and keep
Speaker 4: guys in front of them, because if you can do that,
Speaker 4: you could just no longer that your defensive liability. And
Speaker 4: if they can shoot threes and handle the ball like
Speaker 4: KCP and Bruce Brown can, that gives you more optionality.
Speaker 4: You can attack in different ways and you have the
Speaker 4: defense to back it up. Now with my experience in
Speaker 4: the postseason with defensive rating, but they are point six
Speaker 4: points away from being fit. So this is not just
Speaker 4: like some mid level defense. This is a team that
Speaker 4: has been putting together exactly the process that they want
Speaker 4: to play with, can play multiple different styles and have
Speaker 4: stopped Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, Lebron James, Anthony Davis, Anthony
Speaker 4: Edwards all the way down the list. So this is
Speaker 4: a defense that can really defend now and that's been
Speaker 4: one of the biggest differences.
Speaker 2: But to be fair, you picked the Nuggets to win
Speaker 2: the title the last six seasons, right, I did not.
Speaker 1: I did not think.
Speaker 4: I didn't grab Nuggets fans, so don't. I don't have
Speaker 4: a whole lot of hope. And I honestly didn't think
Speaker 4: they were ready until this year.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So I mean, one thing I have to
Speaker 1: ask is somebody who watched Anthony Davis try his best
Speaker 1: to try and car jokicch and at the time, I
Speaker 1: was like, man AD's defense is something else? What I
Speaker 1: mean from your perspective, as you know, like I hate
Speaker 1: to sound like a court side pundit, but what did
Speaker 1: the Heat have to do to to to handle the
Speaker 1: Nikola Jokic question? Is it that Kevin Garnett thing I
Speaker 1: saw him say. He's like, I'm coming after boom, non stop,
Speaker 1: make him run, try and gass him out. Is it
Speaker 1: like or are you saying there you cannot defeat doctor Manhattan.
Speaker 4: You can. There are ways to make Yokic uncomfortable. The
Speaker 4: Heat don't have the ability to do those things. You
Speaker 4: need to put layers of big bodies in front of him,
Speaker 4: and that's why you saw the Lakers put Ruey on
Speaker 4: him and put Ad on Gordon and just put bodies
Speaker 4: after bodies between him and the rim. You can't do
Speaker 4: that as the heat. We need to put Caleb Martin
Speaker 4: on him, pull Kevin Love off the bench like Hayward
Speaker 4: high Smith isn't gonna check Yokic one and be able
Speaker 4: to box out. You can't do that as the heat.
Speaker 4: Even if I do like some of those guys, and
Speaker 4: I think Bam out of Bio is a top three
Speaker 4: defender in this league pretty much. Inarguably. I am one
Speaker 4: of the biggest BAM fans. But I put some clips
Speaker 4: on Twitter. It doesn't matter, like Bam at a bio
Speaker 4: can do everything he wants. It does not matter. He
Speaker 4: is lacking an inch of height and about thirty pounds
Speaker 4: of weight and a whole lot of leverage that Jokic
Speaker 4: has that he does not. He's been able to go
Speaker 4: right through the one on one, So I don't know
Speaker 4: what you do at that.
Speaker 1: Point, right. Yeah, it's to the point where I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of AD like you know how, like Michael Jordan started
Speaker 1: working out after that Pistons defeat, Like AD needs to
Speaker 1: go like work with horses or something to serve you,
Speaker 1: and I feel like a solace like the horse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: get on, get a get on, get on that program whatever,
Speaker 1: because it's working. Yeah, but there's not.
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna see a lot of like NBA
Speaker 2: players start adopting what Jokic does, like chilling with horses
Speaker 2: during the off season, just to like try and.
Speaker 4: The Nuggets have been doing this. I always asked on
Speaker 4: a radio show at it earlier, who's the player who's
Speaker 4: benefit the most from Nikola Jokic, And I said Aaron Gordon,
Speaker 4: Because Aaron Gordon has spent his entire time in Denver
Speaker 4: learning to see basketball through Nikola Yokic's eyes. He went
Speaker 4: and just traveled the world during the offseason, met Jokic
Speaker 4: and I believe the Czech Republic to watch the Serbian
Speaker 4: team play international basketball, and just like sent some love,
Speaker 4: continued to watch film and came back with the intention
Speaker 4: of seeing the game through Jokic's eyes. And we've seen
Speaker 4: who the player he's become. He's no longer trying to
Speaker 4: pretend he's Lebron Like, this is a guy who can
Speaker 4: help any team in basketball and be a third or
Speaker 4: fourth guy on a championship team. So it's Jokic impacts
Speaker 4: people and the way people see the game in a
Speaker 4: way that you just don't see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that helped his three point shooting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, wellieve he's not having to take jackup shots off
Speaker 4: the dribble with the guy in his face. He can
Speaker 4: sit in the corner.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say people are still somehow sleeping on Denver,
Speaker 2: like the so in this series Miami, so Miami were
Speaker 2: plus four hundred heading into the Cellde series, which you know,
Speaker 2: that made them one of the biggest underdogs in the
Speaker 2: conference finals in years. By the way, heading into the
Speaker 2: playoffs they were plus six thousand to make the finals.
Speaker 2: But yeah, now they are plus three hundred against the Nuggets,
Speaker 2: and I guess that's probably because you know, people just
Speaker 2: saw them beat Boston and everyone thought Boston was But like,
Speaker 2: that doesn't a track to me at all that you
Speaker 2: would be a bigger underdog versus Boston than Denver when
Speaker 2: we've seen what Denver just did to the West. Like
Speaker 2: that feels silly to me.
Speaker 4: It feels a lot like there's a lot of sharps
Speaker 4: who are out there trying to get value by picking
Speaker 4: Miami early and has moved the line. That's what that
Speaker 4: feels like to me. Because the Nuggets have been substantially
Speaker 4: more favored than the Heat for a lot of the
Speaker 4: books throughout, but as we've gotten closer and closer to
Speaker 4: the series, it seems like people are starting to overweigh
Speaker 4: the Heat because I think there's some big bets going
Speaker 4: on the Heat, So I wonder if that's part of it.
Speaker 2: And also I think like more of you know, the
Speaker 2: betting markets are determined by betters and who's putting money where,
Speaker 2: And just the Boston Miami series was very high profile
Speaker 2: and went to seven, and you know a lot of
Speaker 2: people were watching that more recently so.
Speaker 4: And Denver's had nine days showing at home. You could
Speaker 4: get back to Serbia and come back in this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is our first gambling advice. I would say
Speaker 2: Denver is undervalued a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not financial advice, though, don't.
Speaker 4: Take me for financial advice. I chose journalism for a career.
Speaker 4: Did you not take financial advice from me?
Speaker 1: Or as we're podcasters?
Speaker 2: So what do you what do you think? I mean,
Speaker 2: it sounds like we've got your pick. It's probably like
Speaker 2: heat in six or seven. Despite that, what uh is?
Speaker 1: There?
Speaker 2: Is there anything Miami can do at this point? You
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be a sweep. You think it's gonna
Speaker 2: be like five six much.
Speaker 4: Respect for Jimmy Butler and Eric Spolstra to call sweep.
Speaker 4: I think this is gonna most likely be a six
Speaker 4: game series. I'm leaning closer to five, but I'm gonna
Speaker 4: give Spolstra and Jimmy Butler a game or two without
Speaker 4: a doubt, probably two. But when you start looking at
Speaker 4: the battlegrounds, the turnover battle is going to be huge.
Speaker 4: Both of these teams thrive scoring in transition. Denver has
Speaker 4: the lowest turnover ratio in the league, so they're not
Speaker 4: gonna turn the ball over very often, which is gonna
Speaker 4: hurt the heat. But it do happen to end up
Speaker 4: getting destroyed in passing lanes, that'll be a big boost
Speaker 4: for Miami.
Speaker 2: That was one nice thing that Boston did is that
Speaker 2: they they gave them the ball at which is really
Speaker 2: nice and like, you know, care a sign of character
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 4: Is it is you have to be able to let
Speaker 4: everybody thrive sometimes. But I also think the three point
Speaker 4: variant is going to be fascinating because if they just
Speaker 4: shoot the lights out of the ball and they decide,
Speaker 4: you know what we're gonna we're gonna guard youkich one
Speaker 4: on them with bam. If you want to take twos
Speaker 4: while we take threes, We're gonna live with that because
Speaker 4: we don't know how else we can score you, and
Speaker 4: we don't know how else we can be able to
Speaker 4: keep up with Nicolie. If we're gonna send two Adam
Speaker 4: so I think that's gonna be an interesting part of
Speaker 4: this as well, is can they just outshoot them? And
Speaker 4: the Tyler hero thing is interesting. Everybody keeps talking about
Speaker 4: Game three Tyler Hero could that make a big difference?
Speaker 4: And Tyler Hero is going to get cooked the Nuggets
Speaker 4: when they played them in every single game. I watched
Speaker 4: the last four years of Heat Nuggets basketball, and every
Speaker 4: single time Tyler Heroes on the Florid, didn't matter who
Speaker 4: had the ball, they were attacking Tyler. It was an
Speaker 4: all out blitz to attack him. And while he did
Speaker 4: get some shots up on the other end, you can't
Speaker 4: have a defensive seed like that in the finals. You
Speaker 4: just can't. And especially when he's coming off of injury,
Speaker 4: you cannot do that. And when you put KCP and
Speaker 4: Bruce Brown on them and say that's your guy, glove him,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be very difficult for him to create space
Speaker 4: and create any kind of impact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would not try and bring him back. If
Speaker 2: what we'ven in we're gonna.
Speaker 4: End up here and they're gonna be like, we don't
Speaker 4: have ball handling, we don't have shooting, we need somebody
Speaker 4: else get Tyler Rough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like they the Miami Heat probably are
Speaker 2: one of the teams least likely to make desperation moves.
Speaker 4: But yeah, wait, yeah, but Spoe also knows that if
Speaker 4: he doesn't have options, he'll hit nuclear buttons. He'll do
Speaker 4: whatever it takes. That's who Heat is and has always been.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: How uh, the zone does not seem like it will
Speaker 2: work out very well against Nikolajic.
Speaker 4: And stats for you on the zone I looked at.
Speaker 4: I was wondering right after the Heat were officially going
Speaker 4: to be the finals opponent. That's the first thing I
Speaker 4: looked up. The Nuggets were the number one offense against
Speaker 4: the zone in the regular season. They scored I have
Speaker 4: it right here, one point one five points per possession
Speaker 4: on fifty six percent shooting and forty five percent from
Speaker 4: three against the zone. This year and in the playoffs
Speaker 4: they've been the best team against the zone as well.
Speaker 4: So that would be a very rough call if you're
Speaker 4: going to run a lot.
Speaker 2: Of zone against them, which was what Miami did against Boston.
Speaker 2: Boston should have been good against the zone, right they're
Speaker 2: off there shooting, They.
Speaker 4: Just evolved into your turn, my turn, had no cohesion whatsoever,
Speaker 4: and just took a lot of really contested mid range
Speaker 4: twos and three pointers that they weren't making. So there's
Speaker 4: this is a real systematic defense that is going to
Speaker 4: very specifically and intentfully attack this team against the Miami
Speaker 4: Heat regularly. They're gonna know exactly what button's depressed win
Speaker 4: depressed them entry in the series. It's not going to
Speaker 4: be like Boston, who's like, we have more talent, let's
Speaker 4: just sleep through it. Denver will not be entering the
Speaker 4: series in that same way. So I don't think you
Speaker 4: can compare the way that Boston played against that zone
Speaker 4: the way that Denver is going to bus you got
Speaker 4: yo kitchen the middle of the court, good luck and
Speaker 4: dealing with that in the zone.
Speaker 2: Miami could just be playing Boston in the finals. I
Speaker 2: feel like they'd be.
Speaker 4: That'd be a great I feel like I've seen that somewhere.
Speaker 1: Just do that for them. Yeah, exactly, all right. Should
Speaker 1: we take a quick break.
Speaker 2: Let's take a quick one. Yeah, come right back for
Speaker 2: the fastest segment in podcasting.
Speaker 1: History after this and we're back. Yes, j McBride, Uh,
Speaker 1: poor soul, you've wandered into the fourth quarter, rappid fire
Speaker 1: round of questions.
Speaker 4: This feels like when Sway does the five Circles of
Speaker 4: Doom or whatever. Yeah, like, I feel like that's what
Speaker 4: I'm getting stuck in round.
Speaker 1: Get ready? Yeah, how's your freestyle?
Speaker 2: They fall for it every time. Okay, they fall for
Speaker 2: it every time.
Speaker 1: Play the Shook Ones Instrumental Classic Class. It was something
Speaker 1: different today anyway. So here we go, TJ. This is
Speaker 1: the fastest I guess segment in sports podcasting history. I'll
Speaker 1: say that. I think I can say that quite confidently.
Speaker 1: We're gonna ask you a question. Don't think about it,
Speaker 1: just answer, just reflexively, just chest pass it right back,
Speaker 1: got it? Okay, And if we start dragging on, we
Speaker 1: are entrusting you with keeping this entire segment moving. So
Speaker 1: you got to cut us off.
Speaker 2: Mountain Iron on the heart.
Speaker 4: Don't give me this too much power. I'm going to
Speaker 4: wield it. It is way too much fun too.
Speaker 1: I can't say, well, guess what. We're gonna have a real.
Speaker 4: Drug button in front of someone and say don't press it.
Speaker 1: Hey, well you got the big red button, and I
Speaker 1: hope you're ready. I'm Jack, be ready, I'm ready. Here
Speaker 1: we go.
Speaker 2: Where do you go first?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go first.
Speaker 4: Let's go, let's go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 4: This is.
Speaker 1: My time, my quick.
Speaker 4: Lost again coming back.
Speaker 1: The problem this is this is Miles and Jack got
Speaker 1: mad boost He's not.
Speaker 5: TJ got a spicy mouth, all right, start back up,
Speaker 5: TJ McBride, is there a single NBA player you would
Speaker 5: take right now over the chance of taking web Yama
Speaker 5: with the first pick this night?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: That was quick after we just heard everything that this
Speaker 2: man has said about Nicolo. Yes, he's still gonna take
Speaker 2: we yes.
Speaker 1: Just.
Speaker 4: We weren't doing this. I thought this was rapid fun.
Speaker 4: I came off the chest.
Speaker 1: Asking a follow up question, which I believe is in
Speaker 1: the byline.
Speaker 4: I just we've never seen anything like this. This is
Speaker 4: a beyond Lebron level prospect. I mean, you don't see
Speaker 4: someone miss a three, follow it up, grab their own
Speaker 4: offensive rebound and throw it back down. The guy is incredible,
Speaker 4: and I believe in his body, the way that they're
Speaker 4: actually working on his pliometrics and they're working on him
Speaker 4: at his flex.
Speaker 2: Well, we heard it here first sucks U TJ. We're
Speaker 2: talking teams we want to cover in the off season.
Speaker 2: Spurs are is shoe in because of the aforementioned big Ama.
Speaker 2: What uh, what's the team you're expecting big things from?
Speaker 2: We got Spurs, we got okay, see, we got the magic.
Speaker 2: Who's Who's another team that people might be sleeping on
Speaker 2: that we're gonna wake.
Speaker 1: Us up, Wake us up?
Speaker 4: The Suns. I know it's very low hanging fruit, but
Speaker 4: you give an off season for Kevin Durant and Devin
Speaker 4: Booker to figure things out and retool around them and
Speaker 4: get eight and out of there, that's gonna be a
Speaker 4: scary team no matter what. That team was not ready
Speaker 4: for the playoffs this year. The Nuggets caught somewhat of
Speaker 4: a break because they were so fresh together. And I
Speaker 4: think now we're going to see a much scarier Son's
Speaker 4: team next year than they were this year.
Speaker 2: Maybe like we can plan out some like dates or
Speaker 2: like some things that they can do together to build
Speaker 2: something and experiences.
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, what's that golf that everybody does top
Speaker 2: flight to top golf, top golf, I might say top
Speaker 2: flight sad story.
Speaker 4: I lost a golf club into the driving range last
Speaker 4: time once the top golf never went back, like lost
Speaker 4: it and it was gone. It might have been the
Speaker 4: sweating from the beer. But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 1: Got it? Got it? I get that, TJ. Next question,
Speaker 1: Jalen Rose's hair.
Speaker 4: Is that a question? Is the answer?
Speaker 2: No? Yeah, there was a I heard I heard a
Speaker 2: question mark on there.
Speaker 1: You heard me?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The answer is just no, and I'm gonna leave it there.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: No, no, wow, Okay.
Speaker 2: You're gonna leave it there.
Speaker 1: No elaboration, yeah, from I mean, the question was vague,
Speaker 1: so I think the I know there is.
Speaker 2: Dream in game commentary team who takes over? Body does
Speaker 2: these finals?
Speaker 4: Uh? Sadano sideline Doris Burke in the booth with Iron Eagle,
Speaker 4: who does the nets call?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Iron Eagles?
Speaker 1: So good, so good, so good.
Speaker 4: I've had enough. Brea. Although it was funny watching Jamal
Speaker 4: Murray pointed him and screamed, bang last time you hit
Speaker 4: was a moment right there.
Speaker 1: I remember that a little too vividly.
Speaker 2: I had a friend when we were playing a mule
Speaker 2: ball who would always shot bang bang every time the
Speaker 2: ball left his hand. Uh, every time, and he was
Speaker 2: like a thirty percent three point shooter. So bang bang
Speaker 2: bang bang.
Speaker 1: Kind of okay. Next one, since you have la roots,
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you rank these three la chains in
Speaker 1: and out fat Burger, Tommy's fat Burger.
Speaker 4: In and out. Tommy's fat Burger is fastly superior to
Speaker 4: most burger spots. And I will get shakes there anytime.
Speaker 4: And magine Johnson is part of it.
Speaker 1: And that's the king of La right. Okay, okay, that's fair,
Speaker 1: that's fair. I like that.
Speaker 2: Then we in and out?
Speaker 1: Next? What are we doing in and out next? Okay? Wait? Well,
Speaker 1: how come Tommy's is love? You don't like to check
Speaker 1: in and out.
Speaker 4: I'm just partial to it. I like the fries, it
Speaker 4: in and out. I like to shakes it in and out.
Speaker 1: Hey, look at that. Someone would taste who likes in
Speaker 1: and out fries like me? Everyone comes for in and
Speaker 1: out fries and I'm like.
Speaker 4: They're like, what, you don't like natural potatoes? That's the
Speaker 4: problem here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a floppy I.
Speaker 4: Love me some in and out fries.
Speaker 2: Go in and out for sloppy fries. Pour water all
Speaker 2: over them. Uh all right. You can take any former
Speaker 2: Denver Great, put him with this current group with the Nuggets.
Speaker 2: Which former Great are you choosing to make a run
Speaker 2: in today's NBA.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with Alex English. I want to pick
Speaker 4: David Thompson, but Alex English would have been a little
Speaker 4: bit more team oriented. It would have been a little
Speaker 4: bit different with otherwise. But Alex English is a guy
Speaker 4: who has watched the Nuggets team closely to he still
Speaker 4: is a part of this organization in a loose sense.
Speaker 4: So I very much so would think Alex Engler's that
Speaker 4: scoring was out of this world. And you put a
Speaker 4: wing like that next to Nicola, he'd be a little
Speaker 4: bit he'd be Michael Porter Junior actualized.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, follow that question.
Speaker 2: How much does it bother you to see Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: court side when he's uh sitting court side? Do you
Speaker 2: think that that could like that's one of the potential
Speaker 2: things that's making me believe in the heat is like
Speaker 2: when Russell Wilson's court side.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So the la past of mine is a Raider,
Speaker 4: is a Los Angeles Raiders pass. So everything Broncos needs
Speaker 4: to burn, I'm done. I hate it. I may not
Speaker 4: be get die hard without Raiders fan anymore, but I
Speaker 4: hate everything to do with the Broncos still to this day.
Speaker 4: So anytime I see any of that, I'm out. It's
Speaker 4: the most annoying thing when Peyton Manning on the JumboTron
Speaker 4: or Russell Wilson. The JumboTron is the loudest that it
Speaker 4: gets in Ballerina. So I'm out on everything, Broncos, you
Speaker 4: could have picked anyone out of a hat.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite ball offering in terms of glass storage jars?
Speaker 4: Oh, I actually have the Mason jars in my cabinet
Speaker 4: as my glasses because I do the old school poor
Speaker 4: thing of find him at the grocery store for like
Speaker 4: six bucks. And this is a cup. So those ball
Speaker 4: Mason jars are the elite cups.
Speaker 1: Yes, I got the big with the screw next.
Speaker 4: To me, but I have all the lids and everything.
Speaker 4: It's the way I just added that.
Speaker 2: Question to He just added that question and now, and
Speaker 2: he knew that was coming this one.
Speaker 1: No where are we going, Jack or Miles?
Speaker 4: What do you mean? I don't. I don't follow Jack
Speaker 4: with everything else. This is going to be the way
Speaker 4: we do this because I think that I'm going to
Speaker 4: have to go Jabari.
Speaker 2: Okay, wow, you know what I answer?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 1: Whatever whatever answer man, all right, all right, Taylor Jason McBride,
Speaker 1: Taylor D J McBride, thank you so much for joining
Speaker 1: us on. Miles and Jack got mad boosties. That was tough.
Speaker 1: It's been so much fun. Where can people find you?
Speaker 1: Follow you, read, you do all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just at tj mcbrod NBA. That's where everything goes
Speaker 4: through on my Twitter. You'll see everything I do there.
Speaker 4: I'll repost this whenever it comes out as well, so
Speaker 4: you'll see everything that I do from that Twitter feed.
Speaker 2: Go click on the link to this episode and listen
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Speaker 4: That's exactly what you guys have been going for. Body.
Speaker 2: You've avoided them all year in favor of more and
Speaker 2: beads segments, But now you have to talk about the Spurs.
Speaker 2: Jack Wemby's gonna bring the spur Is into another decade
Speaker 2: long fifty game streak. I think also he was using
Speaker 2: Jack the way that Joe Biden does, like as an
Speaker 2: old person. I don't think he's talking to specific.
Speaker 1: Hello Jack, it's like that kind of Jack.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, anyway, make sure you give us a fall
Speaker 2: on Twitter at mad boost E's at m A D
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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, And that's it.
Speaker 2: We did it.
Speaker 1: Another one in the books, a perfect Thanks for doing it,
Speaker 1: and yeah, we'll check in with the finals with y'all
Speaker 1: next week on more Miles and Jack Got mad boost.
Speaker 2: E's when we have a new producer, because I'm tired
Speaker 2: of this Jabbari. Who is this guy so called Jabbari
Speaker 2: winning the Miles and Jack segment crap