Speaker 1: Forever. Hi, guys, We're here to tell you about some
Speaker 1: amazing live shows we have coming up across the country,
Speaker 1: all over the world, across the globe. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna start with the United States of America and
Speaker 1: then see where we can we'll go from there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you guys, Vulture Fest is going to be our
Speaker 1: first stop on Saturday, May nineteen pm at Milk Studios.
Speaker 1: We're going to be presenting let me just give you
Speaker 1: the whole title of the show, Lost Cultures Presents the
Speaker 1: Vulture Festival, Segment Festival. It's gonna be so so fun.
Speaker 1: We're jam packing a bunch of amazing segments into one
Speaker 1: show into one hour because we have a stringent time
Speaker 1: limit in the space, which means we have stringent time
Speaker 1: limits for the segments. Yes, you know we're gonna be
Speaker 1: doing some I don't think so Honey's. And you know
Speaker 1: we're gonna be uh premiering a little new voice mem
Speaker 1: oh you bitch, And maybe there's gonna be some new
Speaker 1: segments to featuring your favorite guests from the Lost Culture
Speaker 1: rests can yes, and they'll be joining us to play
Speaker 1: these amazing games, do these amazing segments and just chat
Speaker 1: with us and catch up. Yeah, we're so excited about it.
Speaker 1: We love our our family over at Vulture. We're so
Speaker 1: excited to be a part of Vulture Fest. So go
Speaker 1: ahead and get your tickets now. Again, that's Saturday, May pm.
Speaker 1: And then what's next on the docket, bo, Well, next
Speaker 1: on the docket is we'll be in San Francisco four
Speaker 1: cluster Fest on June second. We have a show that's
Speaker 1: gonna be so so so jam packed with amazing performers,
Speaker 1: even us star or two. You could say that there's
Speaker 1: there's performers and then they're stars. So it'll be at
Speaker 1: the Civic Center in San Francisco. It will be so
Speaker 1: so fun. We can't believe we're sharing this line up
Speaker 1: with so many amazing performers. You'll see some really familiar
Speaker 1: faces there while you're there to see us in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: We can't wait to meet you guys out there. Yes, Saturday,
Speaker 1: June second, actually at four pm that's where we're gonna
Speaker 1: be performing at Comedy Central's cluster Fest. We're literally so excited,
Speaker 1: honored to be on that bill. And Matt, what's next, Well,
Speaker 1: what's next is going to have to be are I
Speaker 1: Don't Think So Honey debut on the West Coast in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. We are gonna be at Echo Plex on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: June twelve at nine pm. You guys are not even
Speaker 1: ready for this lineup. We aren't gonna be in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles for very long, so we got the best of
Speaker 1: the best to come on and serve one minute each
Speaker 1: of their I Don't Think So Honey? Is you've you've
Speaker 1: heard the show on our podcast, you've maybe come seen
Speaker 1: it live. If you're on the West Coast and you
Speaker 1: can't make it to Clusterfest, you must come out to
Speaker 1: Ecoplex on Tuesday, June twelve. It's gonna be so fun.
Speaker 1: We're really stocking this like we've never stocked anything before.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be really, really, really great. And people have
Speaker 1: been asking us for in l a show for a
Speaker 1: long time and here we are delivering Mama. So check
Speaker 1: it out. And this is down the road, you guys.
Speaker 1: But then at the end of June's it's gonna be us. Friday,
Speaker 1: June twenty nine, we're gonna be at the Bellhouse again.
Speaker 1: But maybe you'll hear a little bit more about that later.
Speaker 1: For now, why don't you just feel focus on vulture Fest,
Speaker 1: calester Fest, and Los Angeles is very on. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey, focus up on those three and then
Speaker 1: we'll talk. Okay, yeah yeah, don't tax your brain. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know we've got too many taxes. M A right,
Speaker 1: boyish look, man, Oh I see you? Why why? And
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness ding
Speaker 1: dong less Caltusa's calling. And if you noticed, I seem
Speaker 1: a little bit relaxed, well because there was a beach day.
Speaker 1: Oh you literally went to the bar doel. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like any color? I didn't notice I did on
Speaker 1: the back of my calves because I was literally faced
Speaker 1: down in my towel reading a book. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: we'll get to the book in a second. You've got
Speaker 1: that Greek melanin going on, the hints of it, just
Speaker 1: a little a little sun kissing to the olive toned melon.
Speaker 1: Although it's at first very warm day, it's like I'm
Speaker 1: going to the beach, and then it's you get there
Speaker 1: and it's not your parents. With my parents, it was
Speaker 1: lovely to see them and we were all reading books,
Speaker 1: which I don't think ever happened before. We get to
Speaker 1: what you were reading, what we're we're focused reading. My
Speaker 1: dad was reading a book called Ghost Warriors, and I
Speaker 1: think it was about He's very into history, so I
Speaker 1: think it was about either revolutionary war or civil war. Like, oh,
Speaker 1: I think I've heard about this. Yeah, okay, so he
Speaker 1: was reading that he loves history. Actually, now that now
Speaker 1: that oh no, wait, I can't reveal this, but I
Speaker 1: got him a very good birthday present. He listens, he's
Speaker 1: gonna listen to this episode because we were talking about
Speaker 1: what I was reading and he was very interested. So, um,
Speaker 1: I can't reveal, but I will reveal soon on the
Speaker 1: podcast the first really good gift because now that like,
Speaker 1: not that I have a lot of money, but now
Speaker 1: that I have some money at all, I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to get my parents a nice gift. I've
Speaker 1: never been able to do that. So I got them
Speaker 1: the first ever nice gift, and I will reveal on
Speaker 1: podcast what that was because I'll be excited about suspenseful.
Speaker 1: What was Katrina reading? Um, I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: it was probably something something a little bit lighter than
Speaker 1: Ghost Warriors. Um, I I couldn't say it was. Um,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and make up Pachinko. But yeah, let's
Speaker 1: say I'm only referencing Pechino because you have to read it.
Speaker 1: You're a big reader. What are you reading right now?
Speaker 1: I'm reading while I just finished our Guests book, that's true,
Speaker 1: and I'm reading some other stuff for the pod for
Speaker 1: some people we're gonna have on that. I'm really okay,
Speaker 1: And um, so ah, this is cryptic information. What the
Speaker 1: fun is the is the birthday? You have to get
Speaker 1: his dad? What reading listeners? You're gonna just have to
Speaker 1: stay tuned for information. Okay, but let's talk about what
Speaker 1: we both read. And um, it's the first book by
Speaker 1: our resplendent guest. Too is the second lost I guess
Speaker 1: at the lost episode. Okay, so I didn't want to
Speaker 1: bring it up because it's such a sensitive topic. You
Speaker 1: just have to bring up. He is fully traumatized by this,
Speaker 1: and like, listen this we had a lost episode. It
Speaker 1: was an amazing episode with our guest. And it's okay,
Speaker 1: right after we didn't really didn't. I don't lead to
Speaker 1: all three didn't. I don't think so Honey's Our Guests
Speaker 1: turned in incredible. I don't think so Honey, And I
Speaker 1: don't want to we'll talk about what it was like
Speaker 1: to other topics, but um, it was really heartbreaking. It
Speaker 1: was it was making for a great intro. Yes, you
Speaker 1: might be wondering whose voice was that. I will tell
Speaker 1: you the author of Well That Escalated Quickly, which was
Speaker 1: coming out on Mayo and you, guys, Bone and I
Speaker 1: both read this and we've been talking about it. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's really I'll let her tell you what
Speaker 1: it's all about. But it's so applicable. I think everyone,
Speaker 1: especially if you're a listener of this podcast, I would
Speaker 1: imagine that you're engaged on social media and interested in
Speaker 1: social justice, so this is like really some thing for you.
Speaker 1: Like I really want everyone to go pick this up
Speaker 1: in this May twenty two comes out in nationwide and
Speaker 1: also the star of Decoded. You've seen her on night
Speaker 1: least The Nightly Show with Larry Wilmore. Um, come on,
Speaker 1: come on, and then of course the podcast. Last name
Speaker 1: basis Tratrick and we're gonna talk about Patrick. Yes, we
Speaker 1: will discuss Patrick as Patrick is also a topic in
Speaker 1: the book. He gets a whole chapter in the topic
Speaker 1: of the life of our Friend and our Guest, Miss
Speaker 1: Francesco Ramsey. I have been waiting so long for you
Speaker 1: to come back because you're you were so gracious at
Speaker 1: the end when we lasted, you were like, I'll come back,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm so rassed. And then okay,
Speaker 1: and then we went home and we like sort of
Speaker 1: processed what happened, and then you were the one rather
Speaker 1: than having us send you an email being like we're
Speaker 1: so sorry, you sent us an email being like, guys,
Speaker 1: I had so much fun. Thanks for having me like
Speaker 1: the most gracious thing. Well, I mean, like technical difficulties happened,
Speaker 1: and especially as someone who is not just like a
Speaker 1: performer and a writer, but I'm also like a creative
Speaker 1: and a producer. I have been there, like I have
Speaker 1: had so many times where I have spent hours working
Speaker 1: on something and tweaking and perfecting and then it crashes
Speaker 1: and it's gone and there's no one to blame. You know,
Speaker 1: you're just sitting there like you are angry, but it's
Speaker 1: not your fault, and it's not really the computers. Well,
Speaker 1: it just happens. Fault. The thing that it did take
Speaker 1: any months to get over it, if only because if
Speaker 1: only because we talked about so much good stuff like
Speaker 1: that was right after you worked with Taraji. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: so that was for women who rock? Yeah, black girls rock. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing. We have such a great chemistry.
Speaker 1: It's was that no matter what, like microphones on or
Speaker 1: no microphones, it's going to be a little conversation. We
Speaker 1: walked and I walked in and I saw them too,
Speaker 1: just chatting away, and I was like, Oh, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be cute, this is gonna be fun. It has
Speaker 1: always been, that's always been, you know. I wanted to
Speaker 1: stop myself as like all of us is great podcast materials,
Speaker 1: great from the job because when we met is when
Speaker 1: I did a little guest spot. You've decoded a number
Speaker 1: of times I think three or four times, and I
Speaker 1: even helped write an episode. Um, yes, she's recurring. If
Speaker 1: you check the IMDb, although it's not on my IMDb,
Speaker 1: you can put that we will fix we will fix that.
Speaker 1: And I want to be known for yes, honestly. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I remember very fondly because we did a sketch
Speaker 1: which was where are you from? And well you talk
Speaker 1: about quoted tell us all what MTB decoded as a
Speaker 1: web series about the intersection of race and pop culture
Speaker 1: and identity. We've really expanded to talk about stuff that's
Speaker 1: not just race. UM. Our friend Patty Harrison has been
Speaker 1: on the episodes UM recently, so we talked about gender
Speaker 1: as well. UM. And so we did this episode called
Speaker 1: where Are You From, which is about the experience that
Speaker 1: lots of people of color have where someone says where
Speaker 1: are you from? But then I don't know? But where
Speaker 1: are you from? And um, Matt and ironic date in
Speaker 1: the sketch. So it was very cute taking things slow,
Speaker 1: daylight pouring in. I think that my character like I
Speaker 1: don't know who picked the place, but if my character
Speaker 1: picked the place, I was like, good job, good job,
Speaker 1: good job was very bad. Everything else. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: all in my business. Would not take Florida for an answer,
Speaker 1: and that is the answer, sir, I'm from Florida. But
Speaker 1: it was so fun We were cracking up the entire
Speaker 1: time because it was just it got like really weird
Speaker 1: and existential and like straight. We had like a Cosmos
Speaker 1: moment in there that Yeah, it was funny. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was so funny and also like love the producer cor
Speaker 1: Neighbor Brown shout outs to them, shout yes, he does, Yes,
Speaker 1: he does, and another shout out in this book. And
Speaker 1: I also met this person on that day. And this
Speaker 1: is the reason why I was so bummed that we
Speaker 1: lost the episode because we talked all about Dealina. Dolina
Speaker 1: is one of my best girlfriends, but she's also my
Speaker 1: makeup artist, and you know, like not have to say that.
Speaker 1: I'm like someone who wears a lot of makeup, but
Speaker 1: you always think you know, but you're like, I don't
Speaker 1: know how to do take care of what I need
Speaker 1: to take care of. But not till you have a
Speaker 1: professional come in and slay your face. That's when you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know nothing. I don't know anything. And that's how
Speaker 1: it was when I first met Delina. And she's just
Speaker 1: like a gem and she's the full time makeup artist
Speaker 1: onto code In and she does my makeup for all
Speaker 1: my Red Carpets and anytime I'm on TV and she's
Speaker 1: just fantastic. She's so fun and you can follow her
Speaker 1: at Delina Medine. But the way I'm just gonna get
Speaker 1: into the book, the way you write about her in
Speaker 1: the book, it's as if it was I mean, it
Speaker 1: is like a turning point for you because you were
Speaker 1: talking about developing to code and then like just shooting
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff and then being like, oh, and
Speaker 1: just tell me if this is inaccurateate being like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do my own makeup. No,
Speaker 1: We've filmed three episodes of Decoded. And then MTV was like,
Speaker 1: so this is not the business, but here's something that
Speaker 1: but here's the thing. Here's the thing. No, I'm okay
Speaker 1: with it because like everyday makeup and TV makeup are
Speaker 1: so different. Like you know when you meet a celebrity
Speaker 1: and you're like, holy sh it, she had so much
Speaker 1: makeup on, and then you take the iPhone picture and
Speaker 1: you're like, whoa they look they look amazing and I
Speaker 1: look like a mole rag. It's because like one HD cameras,
Speaker 1: but even like if you're taking with a shitty camera,
Speaker 1: like making sure that you have powder on, and I'm talking,
Speaker 1: I'm serious, like I like, don't wear foundation very like
Speaker 1: I do now. But I was on camera with no
Speaker 1: foundation on, no powder on, just like some eyeliner and
Speaker 1: mascare and I was like, all right, let's do this.
Speaker 1: I was like shiny and greasy, like I just I
Speaker 1: didn't look like someone who was hosting a show You
Speaker 1: Feel Me so, so it really was one of those
Speaker 1: things where I had met her on set for a
Speaker 1: web series, like maybe the week or two before, and
Speaker 1: we really hit it off when we've been texting about podcasts,
Speaker 1: strangely enough, because I was like, why aren't you listening
Speaker 1: to Seal this when serial had just come out it
Speaker 1: was like years ago, and she was like, no, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about. I was like, girl, you need
Speaker 1: to listen to this. Like I was just telling her
Speaker 1: about it. So we started texting, and then when MTV
Speaker 1: came back to me and said, listen, we got to
Speaker 1: reshoot these, I was like, I don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do. And then I texted her. I was like, listen,
Speaker 1: this is so last minute, but is there any way
Speaker 1: you could do my makeup for this? And she was
Speaker 1: she had a full time job. She was working like pharmaceuticals.
Speaker 1: She wasn't even a makeup artist full time. She was
Speaker 1: doing it on the side. And then decoded became like
Speaker 1: her full time job, which is, you know, just like
Speaker 1: a blessing that I was able to be like, can
Speaker 1: you please help me, I'll be able to pay you.
Speaker 1: And then she was able to take that and start
Speaker 1: her career from it, and she gives you exactly not
Speaker 1: only is it incredible hair and makeup, but also good conversation. Yes,
Speaker 1: you can be talking about anything. And Delina has a
Speaker 1: like she's just like so engaging. People are my favorite
Speaker 1: people on the set. And you know what, here's the thing, too,
Speaker 1: is you want to be nice to those people. They
Speaker 1: will make or break you. Not that you're doing it
Speaker 1: to be fake, but I cannot tell you how many
Speaker 1: times I've been on set and I've been like, you
Speaker 1: have an attitude, and the last person you should have
Speaker 1: an attitude with is the one who's going to make
Speaker 1: sure if you look cute or not. Absolutely Culture n
Speaker 1: thirty nine. You be nice and honestly, if you if
Speaker 1: you're nice to the right ones and if the right
Speaker 1: ones are on set, not that there's like a right
Speaker 1: or they give you model. Yes, I had someone for
Speaker 1: this recurring thing for like three weeks straight flather like
Speaker 1: three mare on my face. I had no idea how
Speaker 1: expensive that ship was. That's another thing. Yeah, that's another
Speaker 1: thing that like when we sometimes do like a little
Speaker 1: bit of light drag or do you use makeup, that's
Speaker 1: another thing like women have to pay so much fucking
Speaker 1: money from makeup and to all female listeners. I cannot
Speaker 1: even fathom that's amount of money that you guys are spending.
Speaker 1: That's why you need a makeup artist friend who has
Speaker 1: a little discount. And then you hit up that venmo
Speaker 1: and you just say, I'll hit you back, girl. So
Speaker 1: here's another thing though, hair and makeup people they like
Speaker 1: there usually are so friendly and down to earth to
Speaker 1: their friends with everyone. So if you are nasty to
Speaker 1: a hair makeup person, I just know that they have
Speaker 1: relationships with everybody. Be nice to everyone only not that
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be nice to everyone always at all times,
Speaker 1: but like, if you're having a bad day, don't take
Speaker 1: that out on hair and makeup. So I actually heard
Speaker 1: some tea this production that I will not name, one
Speaker 1: of the actresses like was difficult um and now the
Speaker 1: showrunner like will not work with them on any other
Speaker 1: projects because of the way they treated hair and makeup.
Speaker 1: Because they didn't want the assistant to do their makeup,
Speaker 1: they had to have the top person to do their makeup.
Speaker 1: This is like a secondary person on the show. So
Speaker 1: just know that word travels around when you're route to
Speaker 1: people on set and hair and makeup are not the
Speaker 1: people to funk with. I will never understand that. Like,
Speaker 1: if you are blessed enough to have the opportunity to play,
Speaker 1: like literally we get paid to play and have a
Speaker 1: good time and dress up and tell stories, which is
Speaker 1: just like so fun. Right, You're not doing brain surgery,
Speaker 1: So to come on to set and be nasty to
Speaker 1: somebody is just I never will understand that. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: doing the easiest job being a talent, truly, I mean
Speaker 1: for real, for real. And here's the thing is, like,
Speaker 1: also there's ways to get around, like if it's going
Speaker 1: to be a late night sleep before where oh I'm
Speaker 1: just like one time, one time I found myself feeling
Speaker 1: cranky on a set because the call time was seven
Speaker 1: pm and it didn't shoot and then you were doing overnight,
Speaker 1: so I was and I didn't know that. I haven't
Speaker 1: been on too many sets, but I found like one
Speaker 1: I am rolled around and we hadn't even like done anything,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, no, I didn't prepare for this.
Speaker 1: That's your own fault. Literally, don't take that out on
Speaker 1: anyone else. So I just found myself kind of like
Speaker 1: sitting in the corner like silently, like breathing through my
Speaker 1: nose and at my mouth because I was so tired.
Speaker 1: But like if you allow that to show up, like girl,
Speaker 1: no contention, Like millions of other people would kill to
Speaker 1: be right in that spot that you are in right now,
Speaker 1: Like how many people audition and or just like don't
Speaker 1: even have an agent or like sending out those headshots
Speaker 1: and like sending out those reels of like stand up
Speaker 1: and ship like just you know, taking improv one on
Speaker 1: one and just trying to get their foot in the door.
Speaker 1: And here you are like rolling your eyes because you're
Speaker 1: like that services want to have simelk like my thing,
Speaker 1: my like craft services like a requirement, and I will
Speaker 1: throw a fet if they don't have Welch's fruit snacks.
Speaker 1: I'm flipping a goddamn oh my god, hi brow bit,
Speaker 1: I want that blue little bag. Can I just say,
Speaker 1: like one time, so when we shot the pilot, I
Speaker 1: shot a pilot for Cotties that drawl and um, one
Speaker 1: of the nights we had a late night and it
Speaker 1: was it was difficult, but you know I got through
Speaker 1: it and the next morning everybody was like, Francesco, you
Speaker 1: did great. What can we get for you? What can
Speaker 1: we do? Because you know, do you want chocolates? Do
Speaker 1: you want? Like? What do you want? I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: not really like a chocolate person, Like what at a candy?
Speaker 1: Like any candy? Like? And then I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I love gummy bears. I love gummy bears. They're great
Speaker 1: and um so they were like okay, great, great. So
Speaker 1: then I'm on set that day and there's a guy
Speaker 1: with a cup of gummy bears between every hat coming
Speaker 1: up to me and being like do you want a
Speaker 1: gummy Oh my god person. I was like, no, that's
Speaker 1: kind of weird. Okay cool, And then and then I
Speaker 1: learned that he was that was his job all day stand.
Speaker 1: There was this thing of gummy bears. It was so funny,
Speaker 1: and at first I was like this is ridiculous, and
Speaker 1: by the end I was like, where the fun of
Speaker 1: a monster? I am not going on the birth of
Speaker 1: a monster right there? Offered the gummy bears so funny,
Speaker 1: and I found bad because I was like, this is
Speaker 1: really a lot. I just said it very off handed,
Speaker 1: like yeah, Charlott, gummy bears whatever. They were like those
Speaker 1: gummy bears for that is that's I mean you made
Speaker 1: it right. Life goals. That's life goals. Life goals. Speaking
Speaker 1: of life, let's go back to the beginning and let's
Speaker 1: ask the question that we once asked many months ago.
Speaker 1: Got an answer too, but now we must ask again.
Speaker 1: And I'm very excited to begin to ask again, which
Speaker 1: is the question that we ask all of our guests,
Speaker 1: Switches Francesco, what was the culture that as you were
Speaker 1: growing up kind of made you the person that you
Speaker 1: are that you are today. What was the pop culture well,
Speaker 1: whether it be a movie like television, music, in your life,
Speaker 1: circumstances around your upbringing that you decided this is gonna
Speaker 1: full form me. Um, I don't remember what I said
Speaker 1: the last time I was here, but I have been
Speaker 1: thinking about this recently and I will never forget seeing
Speaker 1: militia like middle school. This is what you said, because
Speaker 1: let me tell you, like the Braids the FILAPPI had
Speaker 1: like suburban black girl who was like a little prude,
Speaker 1: like I remember like her friends having sex and militia
Speaker 1: being like, I don't know about that, and I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: this is I was like, um, and I just thought
Speaker 1: she was so and I also thought it was so
Speaker 1: cool that she was a singer and an actress, and
Speaker 1: I remembered there was a time in my life where
Speaker 1: I really thought I was going to be a singer.
Speaker 1: Oh god, um all of us. Yeah, I need to
Speaker 1: hear about Columbia Records, which is in the book. I
Speaker 1: must hear more about this. But um so yeah, like
Speaker 1: I had this time in my life where I really
Speaker 1: wanted to be a singer and it's just like Brandy
Speaker 1: is doing it all. I remember I sang sitting up
Speaker 1: in my room and like the Talent Show when when
Speaker 1: I was in like sixth grade, I think I think
Speaker 1: it was sixth grade. I'm dying to see. I think
Speaker 1: I was wearing like denim overalls and like a floppy
Speaker 1: hat because I was also in a blossom, so it
Speaker 1: was like a floppy It was like a Moitia meets
Speaker 1: Blossom moment. Yes, I had like the big like the
Speaker 1: fake sunflower. Oh god, what a time. But yeah, like
Speaker 1: Moesia like really spoke to me because it was like
Speaker 1: wholesome but it was funny and it was like real
Speaker 1: and to me, I was like, Wow, that's the career
Speaker 1: that I want, Like I want to sitcom, I want
Speaker 1: to have an album and like she was so confident,
Speaker 1: and also for me, she was a different version of
Speaker 1: blackness on television that I was not used to seeing
Speaker 1: in terms of the fact that I went to private
Speaker 1: school and in many spaces I was the only black girl,
Speaker 1: and I would have friends who would say, like, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're not like other black girls. I'm just like no,
Speaker 1: I'm like Militia. So yeah, I loved, loved Moesia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did talk about Brandy. Literally we did that's what
Speaker 1: you said last time, And then we also got into
Speaker 1: how Brandy and this is like, it's like a beautiful
Speaker 1: feeling HPJ to know that we're going to get this
Speaker 1: episode back. I turned in and we're crying together. He's
Speaker 1: holding my hand. Um. So then we got into how
Speaker 1: Brandy actually is widely regarded in like the R and
Speaker 1: B singing communities underrated, not even just underrated, but as
Speaker 1: an icon of riffing vocal styling, just like Alto like
Speaker 1: that that like media like, yeah, she's she is an icon, yes,
Speaker 1: and like apparently a virtuosic pianist like she can. I
Speaker 1: did not know that she can play the piano really
Speaker 1: fucking well. And then remember that clip that went around
Speaker 1: for a little bit when she was in Chicago and
Speaker 1: always dropping the funniest like but she's doing fun little
Speaker 1: bits like she's like she just like she's at a
Speaker 1: piano and she's just singing to the camera and she's
Speaker 1: and she just sings bish wet wet, like she's just
Speaker 1: doing that over and over and it's the funniest thing. Right.
Speaker 1: There's a gift of her that is so funny. When
Speaker 1: she was on like one oh six in Park and
Speaker 1: they were like, everybody's getting a copy of Brandy's album
Speaker 1: and she looks at the camera she's like, no, we
Speaker 1: need to buy the album. She was like, that's great,
Speaker 1: but like by it. And it was so funny because
Speaker 1: it was just so real of her being like, don't
Speaker 1: give my shirt away, because honestly, it got rough for
Speaker 1: her in terms of selling music. It's hard to be
Speaker 1: the transition. It's hard to be a musician period these
Speaker 1: days with like streaming and like it's just the streaming
Speaker 1: services don't pay very much money, and that's why everybody
Speaker 1: has to tour and have like products and do all
Speaker 1: of this, like you know, collaborations, brands and all other stuff.
Speaker 1: It's really the whole game has changed. For musicians, but
Speaker 1: in terms of longevity, like that is almost impossible to maintain.
Speaker 1: Not saying that she has like succeeded or failed on
Speaker 1: that criterion alone, but it's like that is just that's
Speaker 1: impossible for anybody. Well, she's done what she's had to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, like she she gigs like Chicago. Was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true, you know what I mean, Like she does
Speaker 1: her thing like for a while there, I think she
Speaker 1: was judging America's got talent. Ye, she's always like and
Speaker 1: then she she's always worked. But what I think is
Speaker 1: not that it's a shame, Well it's a shame is
Speaker 1: because so many people like there wasn't remember there was
Speaker 1: a video which was like for maybe her for like
Speaker 1: birthday or something. All these R and B singers, including
Speaker 1: Jennifer Hudson, were like, Brandy, you are the one. They
Speaker 1: were like trying to sing little riffs that she had
Speaker 1: done and like couldn't do it. And I was like, yeah, actually,
Speaker 1: if you think about it, a lot of music that
Speaker 1: she makes sound very easy, like the song have You
Speaker 1: Ever Oh My God? Yeah, there's some riffing and some
Speaker 1: like vocal gymnastics at the end of that song. Which
Speaker 1: is like it's a lot harder. Well, you know, Whitney
Speaker 1: was like her godmother, Yes, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: So like she came up under some really talented vocalists.
Speaker 1: And it also goes back to I think we talked
Speaker 1: about this before, but or maybe I just have said
Speaker 1: this many times. In some ways, I feel like it's
Speaker 1: more difficult to be successful singer if you can sing
Speaker 1: than if you can't sing, because like there's some stuff
Speaker 1: that just can't really be captured in the studio. It's
Speaker 1: like you need it, lie I've and people like to
Speaker 1: be able to sing along to ship and if your
Speaker 1: voice is too good, the general public can't sing along
Speaker 1: to some ship that's like belting and head voice and
Speaker 1: big notes. People want to be able to sing along
Speaker 1: to stuff. It's like repetitive and like easy to digest
Speaker 1: in that way. And so it's like if you have
Speaker 1: a really good voice, I think it's just really really hard.
Speaker 1: And that's just like such a strange thing, like not
Speaker 1: to say that, like every big popular singer doesn't have
Speaker 1: a good voice, but there's also a lot of people
Speaker 1: who can really sing, and they pull them back in
Speaker 1: the studio because they're just like, oh, this is a
Speaker 1: little bit too much for like Jen Pop. I will
Speaker 1: cite the person I always cite on this podcast, which
Speaker 1: is Kelly Clarkson. Here's the thing we started up. That's like, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: it's one of what she can do. But yes, she
Speaker 1: is belting out the notes in the chorus, but you
Speaker 1: can still anthemically, but the range of the song does
Speaker 1: not show like what her actuality. Yeah, absolutely, And that's
Speaker 1: and now that she's singing on the new album Meaning
Speaker 1: of Life, and she's kind of letting go in the
Speaker 1: way she's always wanted to. Like in her words, it's
Speaker 1: stuff that is soulfu pop, very riffy, very kind of
Speaker 1: emotional and felt. But yes, you can't hear it on
Speaker 1: the radio because people don't know how to do that, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they want stuff that has, you know, a smaller range.
Speaker 1: And again, like there are some singers who can break
Speaker 1: out of that, but I do think for some people,
Speaker 1: if your voice is too good, I think that like
Speaker 1: music execs are like I don't know, like there's something
Speaker 1: about and I don't even want to say her name,
Speaker 1: but like say her name, but like I think in
Speaker 1: many ways that's like why Taylor Swift absolutely relates, is
Speaker 1: so relatable to girls, Like she's a decent songwriter, but
Speaker 1: like she is pretty, but she like tones down her pretty,
Speaker 1: so she's like, I'm just like you, and you're like, girl,
Speaker 1: you are six ft tall and like a size to
Speaker 1: like you're not just like me. And then like her
Speaker 1: songs are all really you can sing along to them
Speaker 1: and they're like accessible. It sounds like you're reading from
Speaker 1: her journal, you know what I mean, And like there's
Speaker 1: something about that that audiences really like. It feels like
Speaker 1: you could be my friend, like you are someone I
Speaker 1: could hang out with versus you know, like I love Beyonce,
Speaker 1: but like Beyonce and I are never going to see friends.
Speaker 1: Like she is a star, Like she's not my friend,
Speaker 1: she is a star. She doesn't belong to us in
Speaker 1: the way that is never inviting us over for the
Speaker 1: cook Listen is not inviting me to her fucking house
Speaker 1: and like sending me Christmas cards and ship like are
Speaker 1: you kidding up? Liking posts? She's that's sliding up in
Speaker 1: my d M. She's not being like we are getting
Speaker 1: we're besties, Like no, not at all, Like if she
Speaker 1: acknowledges me I will be forever thankful. I'm grateful. But
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like Taylor is like trying
Speaker 1: to be everybody's friends. Isn't her Instagram like taylorst thirteen? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think her Twitter Instagram handles to like, I'm just
Speaker 1: like you. I couldn't get my own name either. My god,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I hope no Swifties listen to this podcast.
Speaker 1: We've we've come first, We've come for her many times. Okay,
Speaker 1: they tried to get my Twitter shut down? Oh my god, literally, okay,
Speaker 1: yeah they did. Yeah, can we say, okay, can let's
Speaker 1: just exchange some swifty stories because obviously you've dealt with
Speaker 1: this in a much it was very recent, but I'm
Speaker 1: ready to hear you. Mine was election day. I know
Speaker 1: about Taylor posts the Instagram of her standing in line,
Speaker 1: the voting at the at the polls. I'm with someone.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say who, right, So she and
Speaker 1: then and she tweets it, and then I reply like
Speaker 1: she's a little too fucking late, and and I think
Speaker 1: I think just the F word just threw people off,
Speaker 1: and swift Ease latched onto it and they were regressing that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to think about that I was just and then I
Speaker 1: kept being like, guys, like, it's not about like what
Speaker 1: she owes us and what she does, and it's the
Speaker 1: fact that she like used feminism as like a marketing
Speaker 1: tool exactly exactly, and it's like I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like clapping back with like and look like your
Speaker 1: boy fucking threw down two floor seats. Used to love
Speaker 1: her back in the day, but now she's letting me
Speaker 1: down and I'm just and you're allowed to say that.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. I really feel like the super
Speaker 1: vitriolic level of her fans is due to the fact
Speaker 1: that she has cultivated this fake friendship with them where
Speaker 1: they feel as because what she does is she goes
Speaker 1: on Tumbler and when people write these long ass screeds
Speaker 1: about how dare you come for for for Taylor, she
Speaker 1: likes them. So she is like indirectly, uh like rewarding
Speaker 1: that behavior. And so she and her team follows some
Speaker 1: of these accounts in them to her invites them to
Speaker 1: her house, and so I feel like they feel like
Speaker 1: they have to stand up for her an army, like
Speaker 1: they are a Taylor Swift army. And it's so funny
Speaker 1: because they can They've come for me a few times,
Speaker 1: but most recently she did a cover of Earth Wind
Speaker 1: and Fire Sweet one single tweet is I tweeted, no
Speaker 1: one asked for them all. I tweeted. I didn't talk
Speaker 1: about like the quality of the song. I didn't mention
Speaker 1: that it sounded like a funeral procession for someone that
Speaker 1: died in September. You know what I'm saying, Like, usually
Speaker 1: you want to see like your uncle and auntie like
Speaker 1: popping that pussy, like September and uncle both Tylor. It
Speaker 1: was just like so sad. So I tweeted that out
Speaker 1: and they were coming for me. They were like, bitch,
Speaker 1: I asked for it, and then they were like and
Speaker 1: then like it was okay. But then the funniest was,
Speaker 1: you know, all the Swifty accounts like they searched to
Speaker 1: see that I had tweeted positive things about Taylor Swift
Speaker 1: in the past. They were like, we're exposing Francesca because
Speaker 1: on my thirty second birthday, I tweeted, I'm singing thirty
Speaker 1: two to the tune of Taylor's twenty two. Okay, this
Speaker 1: was three years ago, and they were like, got you
Speaker 1: a bit, and I was like, what song they want?
Speaker 1: To be here. I was like, listen, I have in
Speaker 1: my iTunes right now, do you feel me? Like? There
Speaker 1: are a number of songs on the album that I
Speaker 1: enjoyed exactly, but stay in your lane. This was not
Speaker 1: Some songs do not need to be covered, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Oh god, they were so bad. So
Speaker 1: then I was getting on a plane. I was like
Speaker 1: leaving a speaking gig, so I was not on the inn.
Speaker 1: Like I tweeted that one tweet. I went back and
Speaker 1: forth the two people. I got on a plane. When
Speaker 1: I got home, in my email box, I had messages
Speaker 1: from Twitter that were like, we've reviewed your account. You
Speaker 1: are not in violation of our terms of service. And
Speaker 1: I was like, why am I getting these messages? They
Speaker 1: were flagging, they were flagging mass flagging that tweet. Then
Speaker 1: I went onto my Facebook and they had like and
Speaker 1: I know their swifties because like all of their Facebook
Speaker 1: names are tailor are Taylor Swift and Camilla Cabo was like,
Speaker 1: they love both of them, so either their picture was
Speaker 1: one of them or their name was one of them.
Speaker 1: And they were like leading racial slurs all over my Facebook.
Speaker 1: And then one tweeted, oh um for Tessica's only saying
Speaker 1: this so she can sell her like flap Bass book,
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, now that you mention it,
Speaker 1: that escalated book out. And I was also like, way
Speaker 1: did you research on me? Like way to go? Like
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, guys, but also like how perfect
Speaker 1: that you literally just illustrated my My book is about
Speaker 1: how the Internet has ruined communication around like the smallest
Speaker 1: issues to like really important issues, right, and how like
Speaker 1: things just get really blowed out of proportion and like
Speaker 1: like everyone's emotions get so high to the point that
Speaker 1: one innocuous tweet saying no one asked for this, which
Speaker 1: is a fact. Yeah, no one asked for this. And
Speaker 1: also it wasn't even It's not even inherently negative. It
Speaker 1: was like you know what I'm saying, It wasn't even
Speaker 1: this sucks. Listen why this dreams is like my fucking
Speaker 1: that justice for that music video because it sucked. I
Speaker 1: loved that song. And so I was literally like, not
Speaker 1: that I have to justify, Like I've given Taylor some
Speaker 1: of my money, I've listened to some of her songs.
Speaker 1: I didn't like this cover. It wasn't for me. If
Speaker 1: you like it, that's great, but people got really upset
Speaker 1: and and and there were lots of people who were like,
Speaker 1: this is really promo for your book because this happens
Speaker 1: to you all the time. And I'm like, yeah, it
Speaker 1: really perfect. Yes, her flop as book coming out through
Speaker 1: Grand Central Publishing. So, speaking of the book, so Bone
Speaker 1: and I have both read it, and I love this book,
Speaker 1: and I'm very excited that it's that it's out there,
Speaker 1: because I definitely don't know if there's anything that's so
Speaker 1: directly and so relatively tackled the issue of social justice
Speaker 1: and social media living in the same breath and how
Speaker 1: sometimes they can really complicate each other. My god, So
Speaker 1: tell us about why you wanted to write this, and
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about what you want people
Speaker 1: to get from it. Yeah, you know. Um, So, I
Speaker 1: had a viral video in two thousand and twelve called
Speaker 1: ship why Girls Sayed a Black Girl, which I didn't
Speaker 1: even know. This is where you came from. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I have been making videos for like six years prior
Speaker 1: to that, but I was working, like I was working
Speaker 1: as a graphic designer. I wanted to be an entertainment
Speaker 1: you know. I was sending out those headshots that I
Speaker 1: was doing stand up. I was pounding the pavement and
Speaker 1: wasn't getting anywhere. So YouTube was really my outlet. And
Speaker 1: when this viral video happened, it completely rocked my world.
Speaker 1: Suddenly I became the person that everybody wanted to speak
Speaker 1: about race and identity and privilege and oppression. And I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people don't realize that I just
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I was just like so unprepared and
Speaker 1: I kind of had to do like a ton of
Speaker 1: homework to get to where I am now. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so I think through the course of that, you know,
Speaker 1: at the time, lots of people were coming to me
Speaker 1: and saying, write a book, write a book, but I
Speaker 1: didn't know what to write a book about. And I
Speaker 1: just thought, like, well, something, just I haven't done anything yet,
Speaker 1: Like I went viral, that's not And I didn't want
Speaker 1: to write a white girls Say to Black Girl's book,
Speaker 1: which is like what everybody wanted me to do. And
Speaker 1: so I was like, I'm not ready for this. And
Speaker 1: then fast forward to five years later, Uh, right after
Speaker 1: Nightly Show got canceled, I thought, well, maybe this is
Speaker 1: the right time, Like I don't have a job, and
Speaker 1: this is something I really wanted to do, and I
Speaker 1: had been kind of like collecting stories like in a
Speaker 1: Google doc, and I really wanted, first of all, to
Speaker 1: shine a light in the fact that we all have
Speaker 1: to start somewhere. And I think, especially right now, conversations
Speaker 1: around social justice are so judgmental, sometimes rightfully so, but
Speaker 1: oftentimes it turns into you don't know what that word means.
Speaker 1: You still watch that show, you still listen to that artist,
Speaker 1: how dare you did? Dad? And it feels for people
Speaker 1: who have never been exposed to this stuff, they shut down.
Speaker 1: And I know that because I've been the person doing it,
Speaker 1: and I've been the person on the other side. And
Speaker 1: so I thought, well, why don't I just expose myself
Speaker 1: in hopes that people will be a little more self
Speaker 1: reflective and be honest about their own journeys and be
Speaker 1: a little more gracious to the people that they love
Speaker 1: in their lives who are gonna sunk up, because like
Speaker 1: that's part of being a human, like we all funk up, um,
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I wanted to do it in a
Speaker 1: humorous way, but in just like a really honest way too.
Speaker 1: It's so good and I think that's I think That's
Speaker 1: what sort of distinguishes the book from from other similar works.
Speaker 1: I'll say, like the fact that you have that you
Speaker 1: were just able to turn that sort of mirror back
Speaker 1: on yourself and be like, look like I like just
Speaker 1: I think midway through the book, you're like, look, I
Speaker 1: started out being this sort of like you know, and
Speaker 1: I was going to say, like, internet personally like you
Speaker 1: like you succeeded on certain people. But here's the Here's
Speaker 1: the gag is that like so many of us have
Speaker 1: been that person, right, and like social media has made
Speaker 1: us into monsters in the sense that we are all
Speaker 1: putting on this like show for everybody, like look at
Speaker 1: how great my life is and my brunch and my
Speaker 1: outfits and how great these things are. And then we're
Speaker 1: also looking at what everybody else is doing and feeling
Speaker 1: really bad about ourselves. And for me, I thought it
Speaker 1: was really important to say, like, look, I have been
Speaker 1: that person, and I had to have my own wake
Speaker 1: up call in order to create the life and career
Speaker 1: that I wanted because I was wasting a lot of
Speaker 1: time talking ship and being negative online. And guess what,
Speaker 1: I bet you are doing that, Like every single person
Speaker 1: is doing that on some level. I mean, it got
Speaker 1: it got so crazy for me. Not not that I
Speaker 1: was engaging too much, but I definitely was where currently
Speaker 1: I mean, I can speak everyone as well. We're both
Speaker 1: on Facebook right now, And tell me about how you
Speaker 1: decided to break away? Can I tell you? On my part,
Speaker 1: it was for cold fucking turkey, Like one day I
Speaker 1: woke up, I was like, I don't need this act.
Speaker 1: It was as I've pulled back a lot. But I mean,
Speaker 1: for me, the complication is that this is part of
Speaker 1: my very good that's so hard. That is something I
Speaker 1: really wanted to talk to you about because I recently
Speaker 1: had a discussion with someone and I had just met
Speaker 1: this person and I incredibly smart guy. And um actually
Speaker 1: Laura Ashley Smith's father. Yes, yeah, I was out there
Speaker 1: Mariah Smith Laura actually met. They're good friends of ours,
Speaker 1: and I was out there on a story Price trip
Speaker 1: and they graciously invited us over to their house. And
Speaker 1: I was talking to him and I said I had
Speaker 1: just deleted Facebook, and he said, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a good idea to delete Facebook because that just removes
Speaker 1: one intelligent voice from the discussion. And I thought to myself,
Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't call Facebook and intelligence. And so
Speaker 1: then I thought to myself, but I do see what
Speaker 1: he's saying. You know what I mean, because and throughout
Speaker 1: your book you do you have so many like really
Speaker 1: good positive ideas about how you engage with people online
Speaker 1: and calling them in as opposed to calling them out
Speaker 1: every time, which I really encourage people to read this
Speaker 1: book and read all about but I do think and
Speaker 1: then your book also gets into self care. It was
Speaker 1: part of my self care to get off Facebook caause
Speaker 1: I I it got to a point where I found
Speaker 1: that that site became a place where I would only
Speaker 1: put negative thoughts and felt everyone else. It felt like
Speaker 1: different from Twitter and Instagram, and that Facebook became a
Speaker 1: place to dump negative feelings. Yeah, and I think Facebook
Speaker 1: is also different because you have relationships with those people.
Speaker 1: Like on Twitter, it's not my friends, it's not my family,
Speaker 1: it's like celebrities, it's media outlets. It's like some Internet
Speaker 1: people that I know, but not people that I'm like
Speaker 1: close with. And there's something very different about when you're
Speaker 1: on Facebook and it's somebody that you went to high
Speaker 1: school with and they're just saying like super ignorant shit
Speaker 1: that like hurts you in a very different way than
Speaker 1: like Kanye saying ignorant, which is like still terrible, but
Speaker 1: they just feel very different. Well, Facebook, I think, and
Speaker 1: this is I'm just gonna recount something that happened to Matt,
Speaker 1: and I feel like Facebook sort of yeuh, this in
Speaker 1: this very specific place because like that sort of exemplifies
Speaker 1: call out versus calling, like incidents where Matt, you were
Speaker 1: having this issue and correct me if I'm wrong, where
Speaker 1: you were just having these public Oh god, I was
Speaker 1: seeing them, yes, like a Gora esque like like but
Speaker 1: then but then it always like to the tenor of
Speaker 1: each conversation was completely changed as soon as you reached
Speaker 1: out to them individually and you're like, hey, let's talk
Speaker 1: this out person to person. Through my own experience, I mean,
Speaker 1: people are surprised nowadays when you go to speak to
Speaker 1: them directly because it doesn't because it does not happen.
Speaker 1: And again, like this is something I talked about in
Speaker 1: the book, is that I had this, and I think
Speaker 1: everybody falls into this where we like, we want the
Speaker 1: cookies like people do on Facebook, and they're like, I
Speaker 1: just want to say if you're a Trump supporter, and
Speaker 1: I was like thumbs up. You tell them sisters like
Speaker 1: that's right, and like everyone just like patting themselves in
Speaker 1: the back, like what the funk are you? You're not
Speaker 1: actually doing anything. I have totally done that, I've totally
Speaker 1: been there. And then what ends up happening is that
Speaker 1: you realize like that doesn't actually do anything, but does nothing. No,
Speaker 1: and they don't taste good. They're like gluten free, like
Speaker 1: they're like the diet cookies, like like there's nothing. And
Speaker 1: then you have somebody who like jumps into the conversation
Speaker 1: who like genuinely doesn't know anything. They put their foot
Speaker 1: in their mouths, and then like everybody descends on them.
Speaker 1: It becomes confusing too, because it's what the it's what
Speaker 1: the discussion was initially about, and then the subsect of
Speaker 1: this person inserting themselves and all of a sudden, it's confusing.
Speaker 1: And also timing is weird. Remember it's not a conversation.
Speaker 1: You could reply to something and then there's like two
Speaker 1: days later and then like people from all different cross
Speaker 1: sections of her life like chime in. I remember after
Speaker 1: the election, Uh, everybody was posting about you know, they
Speaker 1: were upset about Donald Trump, and my dad had just
Speaker 1: joined Facebook. Now, my dad lives in South Carolina. He
Speaker 1: like there's no innet, like there's no internet cafes, like,
Speaker 1: he didn't have internet for a really long time. So
Speaker 1: he just got on Facebook and he posted something like,
Speaker 1: you know, like on my Facebook wall, like it's in
Speaker 1: God's hands or something, which I was like, oh God,
Speaker 1: But I also know my dad, right, I know him,
Speaker 1: and I had friends from college. You were like, listen up, sir,
Speaker 1: and I was like, holy sh it. Like my friend
Speaker 1: from like who's like a fucking feminist scholar, is like
Speaker 1: going off on my dad about like intersectionality and how
Speaker 1: like Mark and how it's like easy for him as
Speaker 1: like a straight sister dude to say it's in God's hands,
Speaker 1: but she's agnostic and like that and like all very
Speaker 1: valid things. But I also was just like, my dad
Speaker 1: does not even know like what you were, He doesn't
Speaker 1: know what these words mean. And now like everybody else
Speaker 1: is tagging on so that they can look cooler, and
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my god, I have to
Speaker 1: delete this and call my dad and be like, okay, listen,
Speaker 1: you can't do that. You that's how you feel about it,
Speaker 1: but like this is why other people got upset and
Speaker 1: it was if I hadn't called him and talked to him,
Speaker 1: I feel like he would have felt completely different about
Speaker 1: that situation. And most of us, I feel like too
Speaker 1: often we're so quick to go in on somebody online
Speaker 1: that we actually care about that it would be so
Speaker 1: different if we just picked up the phone and talk
Speaker 1: to Oh, absolutely okay, and I want to talk about
Speaker 1: because this sort of gets into and I don't know,
Speaker 1: and tell me if these aren't necessarily the same things.
Speaker 1: You talk about cookies a lot, And that's a cheap
Speaker 1: Amanda sort of quote from Americana where it's like, I'm
Speaker 1: we don't get a cookie for like racism shouldn't exist.
Speaker 1: You don't get a cookie. It's like not being racist,
Speaker 1: beautiful quote like just is perfect? Um is? Is that
Speaker 1: is that impulse to like fucking descend on someone just
Speaker 1: to like performatively show how woke or whatever you are? Like?
Speaker 1: Is that is that some like like how like how
Speaker 1: do you? Sort of I always struggle with like um
Speaker 1: separating like virtue signaling with like actually trying to be educational.
Speaker 1: But you know what, No, You've answered my own question.
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of both for some people,
Speaker 1: calling it is different. Calling it is not virtue signal
Speaker 1: because calling in calling in you, I mean, and if
Speaker 1: you're not familiar with the term, calling in is like
Speaker 1: taking somebody aside and having like a private personal conversation
Speaker 1: with them, and it takes it's a lot more work,
Speaker 1: it's a lot more emotional labor, which is why a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't want to do it. And I
Speaker 1: totally get that, and I think especially for like marginalized people,
Speaker 1: you know, like every time a straight person says something stupid,
Speaker 1: like you don't want to have to like pull them
Speaker 1: aside and like explain to them, like you know, like
Speaker 1: l g B t Q history, Like you don't want
Speaker 1: to do that work. And I totally get that, but
Speaker 1: I also think sometimes we kind of have to. And
Speaker 1: for me, I do think sometimes people descend on other
Speaker 1: people because they need an outlet, and it's and it
Speaker 1: is very frustrating, especially there's so much scary shit happening
Speaker 1: in the world, like life and death ship, and when
Speaker 1: somebody completely invalidates your experience or just says something really
Speaker 1: dismissive or just downright ignorant, even if they don't mean it.
Speaker 1: In that way and you're just like mad, Like you
Speaker 1: have probably had those times where're like, oh, I have
Speaker 1: time to like you don't really have time. You're like
Speaker 1: I have somewhere to be a but I'm going the
Speaker 1: funk in like I have all the gifts I have,
Speaker 1: like all the emojies, like I am red d like catchphrases,
Speaker 1: everything right, and it's like not even about them, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. People are like you know, they're
Speaker 1: like Okay, Becky and they're like Melissa and different, like
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like it just it just turns
Speaker 1: into something else. And again, sometimes it's a performance and
Speaker 1: sometimes it's a cathartic experience where you're just like I'm
Speaker 1: really upset aby out this or like not to keep
Speaker 1: bring up Kanye, but like he most recently said that
Speaker 1: like slavery was a choice, and black Twitter turned it
Speaker 1: into like a hilarious hashtag where like became cathartic, where
Speaker 1: like we were dragging Kanye, but we're also kind of
Speaker 1: just like laughing at the idea of like this is
Speaker 1: something people say all the time, like oh that would
Speaker 1: live I was in slavery, I would have done a
Speaker 1: by and see, so like now let's all make jokes
Speaker 1: about it, right, and like let's all commiserate and how
Speaker 1: stupid this is, but also like say something funny and educational.
Speaker 1: So I think that sometimes it is for other people
Speaker 1: and sometimes it is just like I need to get
Speaker 1: this off of my chest. And I think I've been
Speaker 1: in I've been in both of those places. Well, there's
Speaker 1: the call out culture, which I think can be positive
Speaker 1: because then you can at least feel like you're not
Speaker 1: alone here when people do say hi, I see this,
Speaker 1: and I'm responding. And I think sometimes call in culture
Speaker 1: or calling in can feel intimidate aiding, because then you're
Speaker 1: responsible for the person's reaction. And there's actually a paragraph
Speaker 1: in your book that I wanted to draw attention to
Speaker 1: specifically because I've actually had a very chearful conversation with
Speaker 1: a member of my family when I brought up their privilege,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to read this little if I can.
Speaker 1: Here's what I've learned. Conversations about race and privilege are difficult,
Speaker 1: especially with someone you love. When Patrick, your husband, and
Speaker 1: I first talked about white privilege, I remember him getting
Speaker 1: hung up on the word privilege itself, like so many
Speaker 1: people do in many ways. The word is a misnomer
Speaker 1: since it's so closely associated with wealth and a complete
Speaker 1: lack of struggle. So instead of trying to explain it,
Speaker 1: getting inevitably more and more agitated as I did, so,
Speaker 1: I pivoted and talked about my own privilege as a straight,
Speaker 1: able bodied CIS woman. No one asked me invasive questions
Speaker 1: about my genitals are gross relations relationship questions like which
Speaker 1: one of you is the man. The conversation slowly grew
Speaker 1: from you have privileged to everyone has privileged, so let's
Speaker 1: figure out how to navigate it. And I thought that
Speaker 1: was really a good way to ago about future conversations
Speaker 1: like this. Because the person that I had this discussion
Speaker 1: with it became a fight. I said, privilege. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that word, because that's people, because they don't understand that
Speaker 1: it's not saying you've had it easy your whole life,
Speaker 1: and it's not ignoring any sort of marginalization now that
Speaker 1: you may feel. The minute you bring up privilege, people
Speaker 1: are like one time I broke my leg in third
Speaker 1: grade and I couldn't go swimming all summer long, and
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, like great, especially especially white people who
Speaker 1: because they've had economic struggles, and they say, how dare
Speaker 1: you saying privileged? And it's just this, it's an acknowledgement
Speaker 1: of what separates you from actual marginalized groups. And I
Speaker 1: think that is a way that is that is something
Speaker 1: to acknowledge, is that the word privilege rings a certain
Speaker 1: bell in those ears that it need not well. And
Speaker 1: I think that again, that's like one of the big
Speaker 1: themes of this book. There's so much stuff that people
Speaker 1: don't know. And so when you go into a conversation
Speaker 1: with somebody of like, you're wrong because you don't know
Speaker 1: this thing, they are like, well, I don't even know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, So like I don't know that.
Speaker 1: How do I know that I'm wrong? If I don't
Speaker 1: know about the thing that you're telling I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly, so how do we even start right?
Speaker 1: And like speaking another language, and also when when you're
Speaker 1: speaking a language that sounds talk downy because it obviously
Speaker 1: is educated or like required a diversity of opinion to
Speaker 1: arrive there, it can feel like, wow, this person thinks
Speaker 1: they're better. That just correcting someone's behavior in any like
Speaker 1: arena is going to feel like a little like, oh God,
Speaker 1: you're telling me that I did something wrong. And I
Speaker 1: think people in general just don't like to be corrected.
Speaker 1: And also I don't know if it's like a specifically
Speaker 1: American thing, but in some ways, I mean, I'm only
Speaker 1: in American, so I don't know in any other way,
Speaker 1: but I feel like it feels very like this is
Speaker 1: who I am. Take me or leave me, like I'm grown,
Speaker 1: like gonna be who I am. Like people are not
Speaker 1: comfortable admitting when they're wrong, and so like when you
Speaker 1: tell someone like you are wrong, you just hurt me,
Speaker 1: Like people go on the defensive and the privileged thing.
Speaker 1: I really realized that, like white privilege is the one
Speaker 1: that everybody knows of, and so they think like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're only saying that white people have privilege, and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm an able bodied person. I can go to any
Speaker 1: bathroom anywhere, and I am fine right, Like I never
Speaker 1: have to think about like will my wheelchair fit in
Speaker 1: the store? Like will I mean like and I remember
Speaker 1: I went out to dinner with a friend who's in
Speaker 1: a wheelchair, and we've never gone out to a restaurant before,
Speaker 1: and we went to a fucking restaurant and there was
Speaker 1: stairs leading into the restaurant, and I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god. I didn't even like I never would have
Speaker 1: thought about that because I've gone to this fucking restaurant
Speaker 1: and it wasn't like a lot of stairs. It was
Speaker 1: like three stairs. And she was like it's fine, like
Speaker 1: I know how to do it. But I also really
Speaker 1: had this moment of like, oh my god, I never
Speaker 1: think about this ever. It's not my fault, like I'm
Speaker 1: not a bad person for it, but like I had
Speaker 1: a moment of like, oh wow, like that's my privilege
Speaker 1: as an able bodied person. Um. And I think, and
Speaker 1: what you touched on in the book is that privilege
Speaker 1: just comes to me. It just means the different ways
Speaker 1: in which people move through the world. Oh and then
Speaker 1: you have this cute story about a caterpillar in a
Speaker 1: snail going to a party, and like it explains it
Speaker 1: was very funny the way it ended. Thank you, Thanks,
Speaker 1: you know. I I often describe my work as like
Speaker 1: when you are feeding a baby like vegetables, and you
Speaker 1: like do the airplane and you're still getting the baby
Speaker 1: the veggies, but you're like here, like I just try
Speaker 1: to take I love analogies. So I try to wrap
Speaker 1: things in like a funny joke or an analogy or
Speaker 1: like a self drag and hope that people will say, like, oh,
Speaker 1: now I get it. You're not yelling at me. You're
Speaker 1: not telling me that like I'm just a bad person.
Speaker 1: You're saying like we all have sucked up, and like
Speaker 1: here's another way to understand this fun up and like
Speaker 1: move past it. That's great. Um, let's take a quick
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Speaker 1: who I am confident to say is one of the
Speaker 1: hardest working people that seriously and seriously. I mean not
Speaker 1: even just like with the career like your I see
Speaker 1: we see you up in the jail. Listen. I think
Speaker 1: about it all the time, And now I want to
Speaker 1: just read something that you said, look at your work
Speaker 1: as a contract you have with you. I loved that
Speaker 1: because then you go and stay getting auditions. His work
Speaker 1: posting videos is work. Even if you don't book the
Speaker 1: gig or go viral. You've still met the conditions of
Speaker 1: your contract if you do that. So, especially in this
Speaker 1: kind of career where you're kind of trying to create
Speaker 1: your own career, which is I think what we both
Speaker 1: do and you've you've done for so many years successfully. Um,
Speaker 1: just kind of at least giving yourself every opportunity to succeed,
Speaker 1: because I think such an important thing, Like can you
Speaker 1: talk about being like a self starter? Yeah? I mean
Speaker 1: the thing is is like that specific thing is something
Speaker 1: that I learned from a girl who I was throwing
Speaker 1: mad shade at. I just thought that she was not successful.
Speaker 1: I didn't get it. I thought she was like, not
Speaker 1: that talented. And I met her at a party and
Speaker 1: she was super nice and and I said, like, how
Speaker 1: do you do it? How do you do it all
Speaker 1: and that was the thing that she said to me,
Speaker 1: and it really shook me because I realized that I
Speaker 1: was making lots of excuses for myself, whether it was
Speaker 1: I got an audition and I only had X amount
Speaker 1: of hours to learn the side. So then I was like, well,
Speaker 1: then I'm just so I'm not going to learn it,
Speaker 1: or I'm not going to go or it's not enough
Speaker 1: times and why I try, or like I'm not even
Speaker 1: gonna like, you know, get memorized, or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: And I was just always making excuses for myself. And
Speaker 1: I realized that at the end of the day, the
Speaker 1: only person that's responsible for my career is me, and
Speaker 1: especially as a creator, we have we have a luxury
Speaker 1: that many do not have, and that like we really
Speaker 1: don't need somebody to offer us a job. We can't
Speaker 1: start a podcast, write a web series, go do stand
Speaker 1: up right a sketch, like, we can make stuff, and
Speaker 1: that is leaning to so many some opportunities we know
Speaker 1: in this room between us, like so many people who
Speaker 1: have television shows and nobody gave them the show they
Speaker 1: like bang down doors, they made those opportunities happen for themselves.
Speaker 1: And so I really needed to have that experience with
Speaker 1: this this person in order to realize like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: that easy, that like I can just do the work.
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, like you have
Speaker 1: to set goals for yourself, and if the goal is
Speaker 1: just get to the audition, then you did it. Then
Speaker 1: you did exactly what you set out to do. And
Speaker 1: so like I really just try to start. I make
Speaker 1: big goals, but I start small too, so that I
Speaker 1: can feel like I got something done. And that's been
Speaker 1: really helpful for me, especially because the only thing that's
Speaker 1: promised to you, and it's promised to you is that
Speaker 1: you have the audition, you know what I mean, at
Speaker 1: least that much people, but don't get Listen, how many
Speaker 1: people do you know that are like guys, I'm going
Speaker 1: out to l A for pilot season and they're out
Speaker 1: there for three months and I don't get one. It's hard.
Speaker 1: And so if like, if you have an opportunity, you
Speaker 1: gotta give yourself all the you have to drench that
Speaker 1: opportunity of all its juice, if that makes any sense. Opportunity, Well,
Speaker 1: I think well, I think the other part of this
Speaker 1: is that I think you even bring this up because
Speaker 1: it's sort of like the opposite scenario circumstance of like Okay,
Speaker 1: well then I could spend my life like this could
Speaker 1: be the alternative to me spending my time just like
Speaker 1: going online and like losing my mind. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like it's like you at a certain
Speaker 1: point you have to ask yourself this hypothetical question of like, well,
Speaker 1: what would my life look like if I didn't give
Speaker 1: the time to all that other ship exactly? Like, oh,
Speaker 1: I would just be improving myself, working for myself, like
Speaker 1: creating opportunities, etcetera, etcetera. Like that is I think that
Speaker 1: is also like how it ties back into everything else
Speaker 1: in the book, is that like, look look at this
Speaker 1: whole other side of like the world that's like open
Speaker 1: to you. Like sure, like like do what's importantly, do
Speaker 1: the work that's important, like in terms of social justice,
Speaker 1: but also like give yourself the time in the space
Speaker 1: to like just be the best version of yourself. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: And also I was kind of surprised to learn actually,
Speaker 1: um that you used to be quite the stoner. And
Speaker 1: we'll talk about talk about that. We must talk about
Speaker 1: this because I actually, as I smoke quite a bit
Speaker 1: of weed, so does Bowen. Um, I probably smoke a
Speaker 1: little bit more than you every single day. Um, But
Speaker 1: you get into this in the book about self care
Speaker 1: about quitting you actually had to stop. And so now
Speaker 1: as of recently, I've started to realize that my memory
Speaker 1: is a little worse than I would like it to be.
Speaker 1: And so do you think that that has anything to
Speaker 1: do with that? And also because the answer is probably yes,
Speaker 1: Like when did you get to the point where you
Speaker 1: were like, do I have to stop doing this entirely?
Speaker 1: I know you talk about this in the book, but
Speaker 1: I like everyone sure. I mean I used to be
Speaker 1: like a full blown wake and bake smoke pie every
Speaker 1: single day, and like full disclosure. If I'm at like
Speaker 1: a party and someone like offers me a hit, I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll do it. But like there was just
Speaker 1: a time where like if I didn't have weed, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I don't have any weed.
Speaker 1: Like you gotta call the guy, like what's going on?
Speaker 1: He's not he's not texting me back, hastening, start to
Speaker 1: go downstairs and like ask the guy, Like like we
Speaker 1: had a guy in the building who was like our
Speaker 1: backup guy. Yeah, but like it's not good weed. She's
Speaker 1: in the building. You know what I mean? That building
Speaker 1: is not We're not doing high quality like lights and
Speaker 1: ship like it was like swaggy, like not cute weed.
Speaker 1: And then you have like the friend who smokes a
Speaker 1: lot of weed who can just like show up to
Speaker 1: their house and be like, how's it going, what's going
Speaker 1: on with you? Oh? I know there's a joint here,
Speaker 1: let's smoke it. Like so like I was setting up
Speaker 1: all these scenarios like help me smoke weed, and then
Speaker 1: what I was realizing was I stopped being like a
Speaker 1: fun stoner and I started being like, have a meltdown,
Speaker 1: start crying. I feel like my world is ending stoner
Speaker 1: where like I would just get so overwhelmed and I
Speaker 1: would either like lay in bed and do nothing, or
Speaker 1: I would like go on social media and I would
Speaker 1: see what everyone else was doing, and I would start
Speaker 1: feeling really bad about myself, and then I would start
Speaker 1: arguing with my husband and every single time he would
Speaker 1: just be like, are you stoned right now? And I
Speaker 1: was just realizing that pot was not fun for me anymore.
Speaker 1: And I do think it was for me at least
Speaker 1: because it was an everyday thing, like start my morning
Speaker 1: stone and be stoned all day long, and then like
Speaker 1: get to two o'clock where you like feel a little
Speaker 1: like the buzz change a little bit and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: You're like, oh god, I'm still stoned, you know. And
Speaker 1: so I think that for me, I just realized that
Speaker 1: I needed to stop smoking weed be because it just was.
Speaker 1: And the circumstance for me was that I I got
Speaker 1: really sick. I lost my voice, and like I was
Speaker 1: like at a party and I smoked weed and then
Speaker 1: the next day I couldn't talk, and I couldn't talk
Speaker 1: for like two weeks, and like I had just been
Speaker 1: invited to go on nightly show. I was like on
Speaker 1: vacation and I got the email that was like, hey,
Speaker 1: can you go on nightly show? And I was like fuck,
Speaker 1: funck fuck, I gotta get my voice back, Like I
Speaker 1: have to get my voice back. And I'm on vacation
Speaker 1: and everyone's smoking weed and drinking and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to do it. I'm just not going to smoke weed
Speaker 1: because I need to and my voice to come back.
Speaker 1: And so I just was like, all right, I'm quitting
Speaker 1: cold turkey. And then my voice came back like two
Speaker 1: days before I was supposed to fly back, and then
Speaker 1: I got the job, and then I realized like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I really need to like focus on this job. I'm
Speaker 1: in like a new circumstance and smoking weed is not
Speaker 1: helping me. Um. And so I had a I think
Speaker 1: I had a few times where I tried to go
Speaker 1: to work stoned and I was just like, this is
Speaker 1: really bad. This is just like not helping me. It's
Speaker 1: stressing me out. It's not fun anymore. And rank such
Speaker 1: a bell for me just there. One time I was
Speaker 1: on my tour guide job and I had had an
Speaker 1: edible and I was like, I literally I can't really
Speaker 1: believe I even just said that, but like, but I
Speaker 1: don't have the job anymore. It's like along in the past,
Speaker 1: but who so who cares? But I was standing there
Speaker 1: and I was like, I have to talk to people
Speaker 1: like in two seconds. And I was one of the
Speaker 1: highest I've ever been in my life, one of the highest. Um.
Speaker 1: But I was like, oh, maybe my decision making isn't
Speaker 1: good anything. Yeah. I think I do think that you
Speaker 1: build up a tolerance and it changes like in your body,
Speaker 1: and like I've heard this about like certain foods that
Speaker 1: like if you eat a certain food all the time,
Speaker 1: that your body can just develop an allergy to it,
Speaker 1: like suddenly, like those people who are like I've drank
Speaker 1: milk my whole life, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: I became like super act was intolerant or suddenly I
Speaker 1: found out I had a gluten intolerance. And like, I've
Speaker 1: eat bread my whole life. I've never it's never bothered me,
Speaker 1: and now suddenly I get like stomach cramps. I really
Speaker 1: think that happens with weed, that like if you do
Speaker 1: it a lot, that your body like can change how
Speaker 1: it reacts to it. I've had people be like, you
Speaker 1: need a different strain, and I'm like, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: do like real literally was just about to ask you,
Speaker 1: I don't think a strain like positive because there was
Speaker 1: a there was a time where it was a bad
Speaker 1: strain and I was getting anxious every time. I also
Speaker 1: was having some tough times with relationship, and so I
Speaker 1: think that situationally and also the weed I was smoking,
Speaker 1: we're making me. Literally I think I was going to
Speaker 1: get hit by a car no matter where I was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was if it was on the seventh floor of
Speaker 1: a building, gonna get hit by a car. I can't
Speaker 1: explain to you how I knew a car would hit me.
Speaker 1: I have had so many friends be like, well, you
Speaker 1: need to have this kind of just like you know what.
Speaker 1: I don't need to do research, Like that's just not
Speaker 1: in my nature. Like again, if I'm at a party
Speaker 1: and like someone offers to me and I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: I could do like a hit. But I was at
Speaker 1: the point where like we had like a giant roar
Speaker 1: bong that was on display in our apartment all the time,
Speaker 1: and it was like whenever you came over, it was
Speaker 1: like you need to christen the roar. Like it was
Speaker 1: like it was like a whole like a lifestyle. And
Speaker 1: I just and I was like spending so much money
Speaker 1: on it, and I just realized, like it's a lot
Speaker 1: of money. And I just like I do have some
Speaker 1: days where I'm like, God, I would love to be
Speaker 1: stoned right now, And then I think I have a
Speaker 1: lot of ship to do, Like if I got stoned
Speaker 1: right now, I would not be able to anything. I
Speaker 1: will say, I do wait until my stuff for the
Speaker 1: day is done. At least that here's the thing I
Speaker 1: I don't think for me, it's a personal thing in
Speaker 1: the sense I don't begrudge anyone. I had some great
Speaker 1: times when I was stoned. I also sometimes realized, like
Speaker 1: when I'm recounting a time that was great when I
Speaker 1: was stoned, I was like, this is only great to me. Actually,
Speaker 1: like that funny of a story, the story, and really
Speaker 1: nothing happened. The whole story is like we were so honestly, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so true. Like whenever we talk about we we
Speaker 1: go to Orlando like once a year, like that's like
Speaker 1: our thing. Whenever we talked about it, we're always like
Speaker 1: and also we were high, and it just kind of
Speaker 1: sounds like okay, okay, I'm like, it sounds do she
Speaker 1: it sounds stupid. I also realized because of that I
Speaker 1: had certain friends. I mean like kind of sounds like
Speaker 1: it sounds like I had a heroin addiction that I
Speaker 1: was literally like I didn't really like you that much.
Speaker 1: Like we just got stoned together and I like didn't
Speaker 1: really know anything about you. We would just get stone
Speaker 1: and like laugh. And now that I don't really smoke
Speaker 1: weed like that anymore, I'm just like I don't really
Speaker 1: want to hang out with you because all you do
Speaker 1: smoke weed, and like that's totally okay. But then I realized,
Speaker 1: like what do we have if not weed? We don't
Speaker 1: have anything. We literally all we have is weed, and
Speaker 1: so I don't know. Well, I'm happy I said it
Speaker 1: out loud, well just because like I don't know, Like
Speaker 1: it was so funny because like when I was in
Speaker 1: high school, it was never like you talk about starting
Speaker 1: smoking weed. Ear Oh, So my mom read the book
Speaker 1: and when she she it wasn't a candle, she didn't.
Speaker 1: So like when I was in high school, I smoked
Speaker 1: weed every single day and I told my mother it
Speaker 1: was a candle and she did not know. And so
Speaker 1: she read the book. She didn't mention that specifically, but
Speaker 1: I know that's what she was talking about. She was
Speaker 1: like it was really great, Like she was like there
Speaker 1: are some some language, and she's like, there's also some
Speaker 1: unknowns revealed revealed. It's like, what is this? This is
Speaker 1: like an email to HR, like what the fuck there
Speaker 1: were unknown Oh that's a great combination of words, potential
Speaker 1: title of I love finding the title. Yeah, so my
Speaker 1: mom my mom had no clue, and I really think
Speaker 1: in retrospect it was because my mom's brothers had like
Speaker 1: very serious drug problems. So my mom was like, drugs
Speaker 1: are bad, Like all drugs are terrible. So she really
Speaker 1: kind of had no understanding or concept of like casual drugs,
Speaker 1: it should be harmless in its way. Yeah, Like to her,
Speaker 1: all drugs were like you smoke crack, like you were
Speaker 1: gonna like you're you're going to ruin your marriage and
Speaker 1: live on the street. Yeah, And like I was smoking
Speaker 1: weed every day and like getting good grades and I
Speaker 1: was totally fine. And so she would ask me what
Speaker 1: that smell was and I was just like, Oh, it's
Speaker 1: a candle, and she just said I. Honestly, I don't
Speaker 1: even know if she knew until she read the book,
Speaker 1: because I never I never I never told her a
Speaker 1: candle that smells very specific, Like honestly, I was just
Speaker 1: I was like, what was this aromatic weed that you
Speaker 1: were a candle? Why would you want your house to
Speaker 1: smell like that. There was one other part of the
Speaker 1: book which I was like really kind of fast senated by,
Speaker 1: and I actually read it. I read it. My father
Speaker 1: drove me back into New York today and I read
Speaker 1: this out loud to him, because God, this is so weird,
Speaker 1: I know to hear back no, but it's so cool.
Speaker 1: But wow, that is that's like, that is an honor.
Speaker 1: So there's a whole chapter in the book about hair,
Speaker 1: and I did not know many of these statistics. Well.
Speaker 1: I also underlined this sentence which I love, which is
Speaker 1: be who you needed when you were younger, which I
Speaker 1: think is just something really great too to remember. But
Speaker 1: I just want to read this um in. In two thousands,
Speaker 1: seventeen to sixteen year old twin sisters at Boston's Mystic
Speaker 1: Valley Regional Charter School were told their braided hair extensions
Speaker 1: were quote distracting and in violation of the dress code.
Speaker 1: When they refused to quote fix their hair their natural
Speaker 1: hair that they were wearing, they were banned from extracurriculus
Speaker 1: and prom and threatened with suspension. In two thousands sixteen,
Speaker 1: Durham School for Creative Studies made a group of students
Speaker 1: removed the head wraps they are wearing to celebrate Black
Speaker 1: History Month. In two thirteen, a private school in Orlando
Speaker 1: threatened to expel twelve year old Vanessa van Dyke, whose
Speaker 1: voluminous natural look was so fierce that I'm kind of
Speaker 1: questioning mylocks right now, and she didn't cut her shape
Speaker 1: her hair. And then it goes on to detail many
Speaker 1: more recent occurrences of schools, charter schools, but still, um,
Speaker 1: telling these girls that they are natural hair was distracting.
Speaker 1: And you're talking about how, you know, the transition or
Speaker 1: decision to do whatever you want to with a black
Speaker 1: woman's hair or a black girl's hair is very personal
Speaker 1: and it's just time consuming and all these things. And
Speaker 1: to think that these schools are like holding it against
Speaker 1: these people, like it's just crazy. I didn't know anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, historically, we have always been told that everything
Speaker 1: about us is wrong, from like our bodies to our noses,
Speaker 1: to our hair to the way we speak. Like everything
Speaker 1: has been policed and really kind of shaped by this
Speaker 1: idea of like fitting into like whiteness, you know, and
Speaker 1: and and that's not to say that that doesn't happen
Speaker 1: across cultures, but for black people especially, like it is
Speaker 1: this constant struggle of like making sure that I am myself,
Speaker 1: but also like don't make people uncomfortable. You want to
Speaker 1: make sure. When I went natural, I remember my mom
Speaker 1: being like, are you gonna be able to get a job,
Speaker 1: and me thinking like what are you talking about? But
Speaker 1: also now knowing that, like, yeah, there are people who
Speaker 1: have lost their job because they dared to wear their
Speaker 1: hair in the way that it naturally comes out of
Speaker 1: their head. And we see this in like fashion and
Speaker 1: in entertainment where models are like, yeah, I'm basically bald
Speaker 1: now because when I show up on set, they don't
Speaker 1: know how to do my hair and they're like ripping
Speaker 1: it out or I had to put weaves in and
Speaker 1: I had to dye my hair and straighten it and
Speaker 1: damage it because I mean and even now, like I
Speaker 1: have a hair stylus that I bring with me, but
Speaker 1: I've always been used to doing my own hair because
Speaker 1: when I would help on set, no one knew how
Speaker 1: to do my hair right, right right, And it's like
Speaker 1: that would make up as well, Oh yes, and thank
Speaker 1: goodness for Delina, but I made sure she taught me
Speaker 1: how to do my own makeup and like what foundations
Speaker 1: to bring with me, because sometimes you go on set
Speaker 1: and I can't have her there. I'm at a state
Speaker 1: or something and the person just doesn't know, they don't know,
Speaker 1: and so it is very interesting, especially because again that's
Speaker 1: not that privilege right of like why would you know that?
Speaker 1: Like even the fact that when I was in high school,
Speaker 1: there was no natural hair care aisle in the store,
Speaker 1: and even now it's like a tiny little space. But
Speaker 1: in some stores, depending on what neighborhood you're in, there's
Speaker 1: no beauty products for me in that store. I have
Speaker 1: to go to the hood, or I have to make
Speaker 1: sure that i'm in or I go specifically to like
Speaker 1: a black haircare. You mentioned in the book where you
Speaker 1: went to college for a short time, like the most
Speaker 1: like it was an hour that was appropriate for your
Speaker 1: hair was an hour away, an hour away, there was
Speaker 1: no one in I was living in an arbor because
Speaker 1: I was going to University of Michigan. There was no
Speaker 1: one in ann arbor who could do my hair. And
Speaker 1: I was just like, wow, I guess I'm going natural
Speaker 1: now because I can't get my primary I can't get
Speaker 1: a relaxer here. It's just so crazy. I I think
Speaker 1: that almost nobody understands that. That's the reality I mean.
Speaker 1: And the thing that I want people to walk away
Speaker 1: with when they read this book is that there are
Speaker 1: all sorts of realities that we are not aware of. Right.
Speaker 1: It's like, I want to speak very openly and honestly
Speaker 1: about the fact, whether it's the fact that I'm able
Speaker 1: bodied or the fact that I'm you know, sis, I
Speaker 1: can go to my doctor and I can talk to
Speaker 1: them about my healthcare needs and nobody says to me, well,
Speaker 1: have you thought about losing weight or or miss gendered
Speaker 1: me or refused certain service to me? Or I don't
Speaker 1: have to worry about my housing. Like there are thirty
Speaker 1: eight states in this country where you can legally deny
Speaker 1: housing to somebody because they're lgbt Q, or you can
Speaker 1: fire them the majority legally, I mean, And those are
Speaker 1: things like can I would ever have to think about?
Speaker 1: And so I really wanted to talk about this in
Speaker 1: like a comedic and approachable way, but also to say
Speaker 1: like we all have stuff that we have to learn,
Speaker 1: and we all have to have our eyes opened at
Speaker 1: some point um and it's okay, we could do it together.
Speaker 1: And it's it's you really do have such a skill
Speaker 1: and I mean, like that approachability and relatability that you
Speaker 1: have on camera, which is such a natural gift that
Speaker 1: you have. Not really media, we always sat as medium
Speaker 1: because we do take a picture at the end. It
Speaker 1: is an important part of the listeners, Tota have no,
Speaker 1: it's a fantastic book. I have a little passage I
Speaker 1: want to read. I love a good hashtag passage. Hashtag passage. Well, guys,
Speaker 1: just picking up in store is wherever you get books.
Speaker 1: But it's just this is why I love this book.
Speaker 1: She does not do herself the disservice of being absolutely prescriptive,
Speaker 1: because she's I mean, she's like giving you advice, but
Speaker 1: she's also backing this up with like anecdotes or with
Speaker 1: examples of which she has had to learn these things herself.
Speaker 1: It's it's so illuminating. It's so so so good. You
Speaker 1: should be so proud, you should be so good. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna read this ahead. This is towards the end of
Speaker 1: the book, but it's so good. I like gasp when
Speaker 1: I read this this passage. Oh he gasped money. Okay, great,
Speaker 1: here we go. The world is an unwieldy Okay. The
Speaker 1: world is an unwieldy place these days, and my little
Speaker 1: corner of it. The internet is particularly stressful. It allows
Speaker 1: people to make anonymous claims without any repercussions. Many social
Speaker 1: media users seem dedicated to to taking your words out
Speaker 1: of context, to make you look stupid or worse. And
Speaker 1: the fact that we're often talking about life and death
Speaker 1: issues for people who haven't had the chance to advocate
Speaker 1: for themselves, and you have a ticking time bomb. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure I could call myself an expert in anything
Speaker 1: other than styling my here in bad puns. But I
Speaker 1: truly believe that trying to get it right is worth something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so good, so good, Thank you so much. Excellent, excellent,
Speaker 1: an excellent review from Lost Cultures. Use that Pocorde. Watch
Speaker 1: when they take the hardcover back and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden there's a new book and it says Lost Cultures
Speaker 1: Approved like a Newberry Award, Like that's what I want,
Speaker 1: Like a Newberry word, like elementary school the Rule of
Speaker 1: Culture number ninety two. The Lost Cultures approval is the
Speaker 1: New Newberry Awards. Say it with me. The approval is
Speaker 1: the New Newberry Award. And matt Um, the adult version
Speaker 1: of the Newberry word is the Pulitzer Prize. I just
Speaker 1: want to let you know, well, I have to. I
Speaker 1: have to tell you all. This is my very first
Speaker 1: podcast interview about the book, and I I am just
Speaker 1: so glad that I popped that cherry consensually with both
Speaker 1: of year and I just thank you. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: it is it is scary, but it is so scary,
Speaker 1: especially because you know again that passage was a perfect example.
Speaker 1: I worry about people like taking things out of context
Speaker 1: or deciding that they just you know, disagree with me
Speaker 1: and they're so mad about this and that are just
Speaker 1: pulling something apart and making me say something I didn't say.
Speaker 1: It's very scary, but it feels so great and like
Speaker 1: affirming to hear that you all resonated with it and
Speaker 1: you enjoyed it and it spoke to you. And so
Speaker 1: just thank you so much for for taking the time
Speaker 1: to even read it, because many people are going to
Speaker 1: benefit from it. And I think also something that people
Speaker 1: um forget is like I totally identify with you saying
Speaker 1: like it's a nerve wracking and it's scary to put
Speaker 1: this up because you're a very sensitive person. I mean
Speaker 1: you have to be to be this sensitive to all
Speaker 1: these issues, and you see, like you putting on this
Speaker 1: sort of brave and very public face and dealing with
Speaker 1: this difficult, tough stuff, especially coming from a marginalized perspective
Speaker 1: where where you know sometimes it can feel like the
Speaker 1: world is just ready to jump down your throat. And
Speaker 1: so this is, you know, not this is kind of
Speaker 1: like you throw this around life lightly, but like this
Speaker 1: is a brave thing to step forward and say, here's
Speaker 1: my mistakes, here's my successes, and here is how you
Speaker 1: can learn from them seriously and edifying read. Okay, and
Speaker 1: edifying read. That's another We're on speaking. We are going
Speaker 1: to move on because speaking of um, you know people
Speaker 1: who step forward bravely, we do have a Yes, I'm
Speaker 1: happy you're pouring the line because I'm gonna need some
Speaker 1: of it. Um, this is a friend of ours who's
Speaker 1: who's decided to he's elected to participate in our voice, ma'am.
Speaker 1: This is UM a voice nomber from a friend of ours.
Speaker 1: Dylan Marin and Lin maryn will be with us in
Speaker 1: a couple of short weeks. You guys love Dylan. Dylan
Speaker 1: is a fabulous specimen, true, and I want to tell
Speaker 1: him something over the over the air, and I know, hell,
Speaker 1: listen to this episode here, you're look like a hunk
Speaker 1: in your Ted Talk with those little pearl airrings. He
Speaker 1: looked good the Ted Talk a speaker with a pearl airing.
Speaker 1: Ted Talk painting category is ted talk. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: a voice member from Dylan Mary and I think Dylan
Speaker 1: is doing a little his own little take on a
Speaker 1: popular segment on this show. Let's take a listen that, Bowen, Francesco,
Speaker 1: is your daughter, Dylan marrin hallway to the acoustics are
Speaker 1: good for I do think so, honey. So I'll begin,
Speaker 1: I do think so, honey, Matt Rogers and then you
Speaker 1: are so fucky talented, incredible. If they sold v I
Speaker 1: P courtside season tickets to the Matt Rogers Experience, I
Speaker 1: would buy them with the black m X card that
Speaker 1: I do not have. You would see me cheering you
Speaker 1: on like that Drake Gift where he's clapping in a
Speaker 1: basketball game, because you are that fucking good. Do you
Speaker 1: think so, honey? Bowen? Ye? If you had attended the
Speaker 1: performing arts day camp that I went to for six years,
Speaker 1: I would have been so fucking intimidated by you. I
Speaker 1: would have made up an excuse not to like you,
Speaker 1: because I would have felt insecure next to your gifted ass.
Speaker 1: So lucky me now, as a more confident adult, regularly
Speaker 1: text you to tell you how much you mean to me,
Speaker 1: because you do and finally, I do think so, honey,
Speaker 1: Francesca Ramsey. Already everyone already knows that you slay it
Speaker 1: literally everything you do. But what they don't know is
Speaker 1: that you're an amazing friend and a support system and
Speaker 1: a mentor. And deal with it, babe, because until your
Speaker 1: lawyers specifically asked me not to, I will continue to
Speaker 1: send you bad pop songs on Ironically Love because I
Speaker 1: want to share them for the person I love, which
Speaker 1: is you. So whoops, I do think so, honey, Francesca
Speaker 1: rams My. Oh my god. Dylan Marrin, I love him
Speaker 1: so much also because he is when he when he
Speaker 1: becomes extremely famous, someone is going to have a field
Speaker 1: day impersonating him. I'm Dylan Marrin like he just gives
Speaker 1: you the boy. But I'm saying is he is an
Speaker 1: icon the nicest Okay, so Dylan wrote on My Pilot.
Speaker 1: And I remember one time we were trying to come
Speaker 1: up with like insults for a straight woman, and I
Speaker 1: think I think eventually we used like a population pantry
Speaker 1: was the But everybody was going around and pitching ideas
Speaker 1: for like ways to just like ship on straight women,
Speaker 1: and Dylan was like, I've got one. You woman like
Speaker 1: he couldn't do it because she's so nice. It was
Speaker 1: the funniest thing I've ever experienced because I was just like,
Speaker 1: you are the sweetest guy, and it was so funny
Speaker 1: because he was trying so hard and I was like,
Speaker 1: I love you so much. You are just like the
Speaker 1: most genuinely good and nice person. And to circle back
Speaker 1: to the book, I had so many times that I
Speaker 1: called Dylan crying and I was like, should I tell
Speaker 1: this story in the book? And Dylan was like, you're fine,
Speaker 1: You're fine, send it to me. Like I would send
Speaker 1: him stuff and I would just be like, tell me
Speaker 1: what you think of this, and he would just like
Speaker 1: be so affirming and just he is just such a
Speaker 1: good soul like that you really don't find many people.
Speaker 1: It's also not a brand, it's not up front. He's
Speaker 1: exactly the way. He's exactly the way you think he
Speaker 1: would be when you watch his videos, and he's great.
Speaker 1: He makes you want to be a better person because
Speaker 1: sometimes I want to send him like a shady text
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know what, Dylan does not need
Speaker 1: this negativity. Every time I talked to him, I have
Speaker 1: that thought. I'm like, no, I can't. Sometimes I am
Speaker 1: a little shady like that is part of who I am.
Speaker 1: And it's true, like whenever, like Dylan's looking at you
Speaker 1: and like you don't know if he's gonna like just
Speaker 1: appened in the shade, like and he'll sometimes give you
Speaker 1: a knowing look like, girl, I understand the shade, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever heard him you actually
Speaker 1: actually and he revealed it. He lets it out, he
Speaker 1: lets it out, and I'm gonna I think he's okay
Speaker 1: with me with me saying this. I was on the
Speaker 1: phone with him today because I was explaining, like what
Speaker 1: you needed to send in for this pice moment, and
Speaker 1: then he was like, oh, I got it. He was like, So,
Speaker 1: Matt and I did these interviews with people at trybeca
Speaker 1: film festival, and we interviewed Ansel l Go and Sticky Waterhouse,
Speaker 1: this some British actress. And then so Dylan was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I love the interview with Ansel and
Speaker 1: who is that? Who is that actress? And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: Stucky Waterhouse, she's great. She's she's like, you know, like
Speaker 1: one of those like posh British actresses, actress models. And
Speaker 1: then Dylan goes, oh, yeah, you know, I probably like
Speaker 1: wait out on like the millionth iteration of her back
Speaker 1: at my restaurant. And I was like, Dylan, and then
Speaker 1: I didn't even know. I didn't I didn't even like
Speaker 1: call that out or anything. I didn't even react to that.
Speaker 1: He he pulled himself back and was like, wait, now
Speaker 1: that's you know what. That's too mean to take that back.
Speaker 1: And it was like, Dylan, it's out there now, and
Speaker 1: you said something correct and everyone knows. That felt like
Speaker 1: the most innocuous thing. I was like, where is the
Speaker 1: shape where he's such a sweetheart, such a sweetheart, and
Speaker 1: he's going to be on our show, you guys, to
Speaker 1: promote his ted talk. We're gonna talk to him. I'm
Speaker 1: in just a short couple of weeks or a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks boiler alert. I mean it's online, but he
Speaker 1: gets an immediate standing out. Really yeah, have you seen it?
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it? Good it's so good. Um, But anyway,
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it, all right,
Speaker 1: So is it time? It's time? It's time for I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. And we're gonna get you on
Speaker 1: a live show, one of these things time every time
Speaker 1: I have something, I'm not here. You're busy, She's busy.
Speaker 1: But the thing is guys, Um, just quick little plug
Speaker 1: before we continue. Are you coming to see us at
Speaker 1: Vulture Fest on May nineteenth, Saturday, May Nineteenth's just in
Speaker 1: a few short days at age thirty. Are you coming
Speaker 1: to see us in Los Angeles at Eco Plex on
Speaker 1: June twelve? Are you coming to these events? Are you
Speaker 1: coming to see us at Cluster Fes on Saturday, January two,
Speaker 1: Comedy Centrals cluster Fest. We're gonna be at four pm. Well,
Speaker 1: if you're not going to go to go to any
Speaker 1: of those things, at least come to another. Two events
Speaker 1: that we're doing at Vulture Festival or Hounding the RuPaul's,
Speaker 1: Raggy's panel, and we're moderating the Wendy Williams which is
Speaker 1: going to be very interesting because like Wendy, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I really want to do her show.
Speaker 1: I want to do her show so badly. She'll say,
Speaker 1: how are you doing, Wendy, Like and I want to.
Speaker 1: I have to think about and I'm just like letting
Speaker 1: this all out and airing this out publicly, like on
Speaker 1: the record, Like she is someone who everyone I feel
Speaker 1: like goes back and forth on, but she's just so good.
Speaker 1: She's good, she's great. When she's good, she's great, And
Speaker 1: when she's problematic, she's problematic a f which is like
Speaker 1: why I would love to do her show, because I
Speaker 1: like I can tell her about herself, but about myself,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like, I feel like
Speaker 1: we can have a very receptive to you. I feel
Speaker 1: like we could have a great shady conversation, but also
Speaker 1: just like a self reflective YEA. Well, she is I
Speaker 1: think open to a good deal of shade because she
Speaker 1: dishes it out and she knows how to take it.
Speaker 1: And also I mean I think she knows how to
Speaker 1: take it only when a guest comes on her show
Speaker 1: and is Comarosa level Messi or Befani messy. You have
Speaker 1: to be open to like you can dish it and
Speaker 1: take it. And I think that that's what she respects.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that is major. Y'all are
Speaker 1: booked and Fussy comes us share the stage with this.
Speaker 1: We will Monny Williams and the Drag Race Queens and
Speaker 1: it's going to be very fun and also our own
Speaker 1: show at Vulture, Fast, Cluster Fast, and uh, let's see
Speaker 1: June twelve, l A and then June nine at the Bellhouse,
Speaker 1: you guys, is gonna be so I'm comfortable going first.
Speaker 1: You can go first. This is Matt Rodgers, and I hope,
Speaker 1: I hope that you're okay with me doing this. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Well that's a terrible disclaimer. This is Matt Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Is I don't think so many as times starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, that it has taken us
Speaker 1: this long to quote unquote officially cancel R Kelly. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you something canceled when he i to marry
Speaker 1: a thirteen year old Let me repeat thirteen year old. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In the words of my co host Bowen Yang, coats
Speaker 1: are so ninety eight, babe. Ain't nothing wrong with a
Speaker 1: little bit of bumping grind, but there is definitely wrong
Speaker 1: with imprisoning women. You are starting a sex cult. Bitch. Look,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but there is an article out right now
Speaker 1: which is detailing forty three celebrities that have worked with R. Kelly,
Speaker 1: and every every single picture it says the representative declined
Speaker 1: to comment. Here's what you say. My client denounces are
Speaker 1: Kelly is done. Take the key out of the ignition. Honey,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can top that. Is well,
Speaker 1: I did use two jokes that Bowen Yang has said before,
Speaker 1: but I did I have the bibliography. I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't see nothing wrong with quoting than that was
Speaker 1: also an arc, absolutely, and we're allowed to quote, but
Speaker 1: we're not using against And here's the thing, guys, No,
Speaker 1: it's over. And why does Chris Brown have a grand
Speaker 1: after hitting Rihanna, not even hitting beating up almost killing you? Really,
Speaker 1: you really have to get it together with these people.
Speaker 1: If they've done something dangerous, they're done. Guys, they're done.
Speaker 1: There's no discussion. There is a nostalgia element that you
Speaker 1: can keep to your goddamn self, but it's not. But
Speaker 1: they're done. Like I want, every last culture is a
Speaker 1: listening to the r. Kelly is officially done and we're
Speaker 1: not We're not going to continue this conversation for sixteen
Speaker 1: more years. Thank you. There you go. I mean mine
Speaker 1: is not going to be as like fire as that,
Speaker 1: but let's let's go. This is gonna yourself short, I
Speaker 1: thank you. This is I mean, I'm just saying this
Speaker 1: is gonna be much more frivolous and silly. It's okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: all of them we need, okay, perfect and bowen yanks.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. On this episode begins now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Theatrical spaces that are not
Speaker 1: in the round, honey. We went to once on this
Speaker 1: Island on Broadway, a circle of the square theater and
Speaker 1: not a bad seed in the house, because you know
Speaker 1: why it was in the round. Everyone enjoys that no
Speaker 1: one gets a bad beew. We were in the Last
Speaker 1: Road and the nose bleeds, and I loved Hayley Kilgore
Speaker 1: belding out those notes. Tony nomination, Tony Kilgore. Um, oh
Speaker 1: my god. If you're just looks to the normal layout
Speaker 1: of theatrical spaces, we're not Rome anymore. Bits, okay, we are.
Speaker 1: We are in the new the new age of theater.
Speaker 1: Circle on the square knows what they're doing. I want
Speaker 1: everything in the round. Second for good immersive experiences too.
Speaker 1: We had Lias Alonga running up and down those mention
Speaker 1: her mention her last a longa iconic and the other
Speaker 1: one oh and um, oh my god, who, who, oh
Speaker 1: my god, amazing. I I was not forgetting her. I
Speaker 1: was not being willfully up to and forgetting. And that's
Speaker 1: that's I have not heard. And I tweeted at her
Speaker 1: and she faved and faved, and she retweeted and made
Speaker 1: it a little comment herself. She said, what a blessing.
Speaker 1: Thank you for the continued support. What a blessing. And
Speaker 1: I said, Tomira Gray is a sligh and Once on
Speaker 1: this Island. She plays the concept of death. She is
Speaker 1: so talented and I'm crazy. I'm happy to hear this.
Speaker 1: You should you should go see Once. On the side
Speaker 1: of that, I remember seeing that show in high school,
Speaker 1: I at a local school and being blown it was
Speaker 1: not in the round. But I'm excited to see you
Speaker 1: are right about this because the in the round experience,
Speaker 1: there is not a bad scene in the house. And
Speaker 1: also the freedom that the actors have to be able
Speaker 1: to act in a Yeah, exactly, because you got to
Speaker 1: act with your back. You got to act with your back.
Speaker 1: That's the whole different side. This girl that plays the lead,
Speaker 1: Haley Kilgore, she's a slick phenomenal And Leah Salanga should
Speaker 1: be named Queen to my regrets, should be named Queen.
Speaker 1: We did not see Alex Newell, but her is incredible
Speaker 1: and the understudy was fabulous. We also didn't see Norman Lewis,
Speaker 1: who I guess is in it a lot. But but
Speaker 1: the cast was very good. And put it on your list,
Speaker 1: you must. It just scored many Tony nominations and it
Speaker 1: doesn't have an end date. They're trying to keep it
Speaker 1: open as long as possible. Okay, Francesca, ready, are you ready?
Speaker 1: This is Francesco Ramsey's I don't think so, honey. Her
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Playing devil's advocate,
Speaker 1: the devil needs you to advocate for him. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. The devil is busy all the goddamn time.
Speaker 1: You don't need you to help. Why don't you just
Speaker 1: put it out there that you think those bigger ass
Speaker 1: opinions you ain't standing up for the devil. I don't
Speaker 1: need that to hear. You have your opinions about like
Speaker 1: the gays, about racism, about privilege, like no a bit.
Speaker 1: Say what you say and feel what you feel. Okay,
Speaker 1: you like the devil. He knows, he's dressed, he's fresh,
Speaker 1: he's he comes. He doesn't need you to work for
Speaker 1: him or speak on his we hand. Don't even slide
Speaker 1: up in my d M or in my comments or
Speaker 1: in my emails, and definitely do not disrupt my Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: dinner with your devil. Dadvocate asked, you can keep it.
Speaker 1: I do not think so, hunt me. What a nothing
Speaker 1: embellishment to anything at all? Why do you say that,
Speaker 1: say that you actually think that shitty thing. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: like a get out of jail free card, but but
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not. And also this is just funny
Speaker 1: because on our live show Mitro drew Hai and now
Speaker 1: over a year ago, did I don't think so, hony
Speaker 1: Devil's advocate and she was like, she was like, it's
Speaker 1: the devil. Why would you advocate for him? You know what,
Speaker 1: somebody needs to think about him. Yes, and this is
Speaker 1: actually you guys won't ever get to hear this. But
Speaker 1: the last one you did, which we love, it was
Speaker 1: too hot for air or our computers because the whole
Speaker 1: thing messing down. But you said I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: People saying can I pick your brain? Can listen if
Speaker 1: you email me and say can I pick your brain?
Speaker 1: Like I automatically do not want to read the rest
Speaker 1: of your email if you want to pick Francesco Ramsey's brain,
Speaker 1: pick up the book. Well, that escalated quickly. I'm here,
Speaker 1: got the promo and I want to say one more time,
Speaker 1: I love this book so that this is a really
Speaker 1: good and it's it's funny, it's entertaining, it's relatable, and
Speaker 1: you will learn a lot. Especially at the end there
Speaker 1: is um Francesca's simple explanation of not so simple concepts,
Speaker 1: and um, it's really great. It's just a really maybe
Speaker 1: And honestly, even if you consider yourself like a quote
Speaker 1: unquote woke person, I guarantee there's something in here that
Speaker 1: you'll learn and be able to take away. And I
Speaker 1: love it. I think it's going to be a huge success.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I'm this was a great like
Speaker 1: way to kind of full circle moment from that lost
Speaker 1: lost up to now. And you'll never know the specifics
Speaker 1: of what what what went down with Taragi behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: but just the Tarai is amazing. Yes, oh my god,
Speaker 1: life change. Thank you, Thank you for having me. Congratulations.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to see all of the cool stuff
Speaker 1: you all are working on. I always feel very special
Speaker 1: when I see other people tweeting about you or sharing
Speaker 1: some about you. I'm like, I know them. Those are
Speaker 1: my boys. Um so yeah, I just keep slaying and
Speaker 1: thank you for letting me be part of your glow up.
Speaker 1: You're doing, you're doing. And also we got to say
Speaker 1: the picture on the book is looking very fresh. I
Speaker 1: also love this yellow top. Thank you yellow. You need
Speaker 1: a pop of color. Thank you, thank you. Okay, we
Speaker 1: gotta we always close it the song I think I
Speaker 1: have one? What's the song? Baby? Sitting up my room?
Speaker 1: Thing about you? I must cool? Best im? That's what
Speaker 1: you say? Nothing my room, think about Yeah, I love somebody.
Speaker 1: It's so must nice you cry? Have you ever honey?
Speaker 1: And it's or something? Have you ever tried to do? Coming? All? Right?
Speaker 1: Boy is my up? I'm HadAM about in it? Dissy,
Speaker 1: the boy is mine? Bye, Forever Do. This has been
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