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Speaker 1: so you guys, Vulture Fest is going to be our

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Speaker 1: first stop on Saturday, May nineteen pm at Milk Studios.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be presenting let me just give you

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Speaker 1: the whole title of the show, Lost Cultures Presents the

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Speaker 1: Vulture Festival, Segment Festival. It's gonna be so so fun.

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Speaker 1: We're jam packing a bunch of amazing segments into one

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Speaker 1: doing some I don't think so Honey's. And you know

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be uh premiering a little new voice mem

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Speaker 1: We love our our family over at Vulture. We're so

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Speaker 1: ahead and get your tickets now. Again, that's Saturday, May pm.

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Speaker 1: And then what's next on the docket, bo, Well, next

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Speaker 1: cluster Fest on June second. We have a show that's

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Speaker 1: We can't wait to meet you guys out there. Yes, Saturday,

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Speaker 1: June second, actually at four pm that's where we're gonna

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Speaker 1: We're really stocking this like we've never stocked anything before.

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Speaker 1: it out. And this is down the road, you guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm like Militia. So yeah, I loved, loved Moesia. Yeah,

426
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: we did talk about Brandy. Literally we did that's what

427
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: you said last time, And then we also got into

428
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: how Brandy and this is like, it's like a beautiful

429
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: feeling HPJ to know that we're going to get this

430
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 1: episode back. I turned in and we're crying together. He's

431
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: holding my hand. Um. So then we got into how

432
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: Brandy actually is widely regarded in like the R and

433
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: B singing communities underrated, not even just underrated, but as

434
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: an icon of riffing vocal styling, just like Alto like

435
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: that that like media like, yeah, she's she is an icon, yes,

436
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: and like apparently a virtuosic pianist like she can. I

437
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: did not know that she can play the piano really

438
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: fucking well. And then remember that clip that went around

439
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: for a little bit when she was in Chicago and

440
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 1: always dropping the funniest like but she's doing fun little

441
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 1: bits like she's like she just like she's at a

442
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: piano and she's just singing to the camera and she's

443
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: and she just sings bish wet wet, like she's just

444
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 1: doing that over and over and it's the funniest thing. Right.

445
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 1: There's a gift of her that is so funny. When

446
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: she was on like one oh six in Park and

447
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: they were like, everybody's getting a copy of Brandy's album

448
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: and she looks at the camera she's like, no, we

449
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: need to buy the album. She was like, that's great,

450
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: but like by it. And it was so funny because

451
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 1: it was just so real of her being like, don't

452
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: give my shirt away, because honestly, it got rough for

453
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: her in terms of selling music. It's hard to be

454
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: the transition. It's hard to be a musician period these

455
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: days with like streaming and like it's just the streaming

456
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: services don't pay very much money, and that's why everybody

457
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: has to tour and have like products and do all

458
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: of this, like you know, collaborations, brands and all other stuff.

459
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: It's really the whole game has changed. For musicians, but

460
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: in terms of longevity, like that is almost impossible to maintain.

461
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: Not saying that she has like succeeded or failed on

462
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: that criterion alone, but it's like that is just that's

463
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,479
Speaker 1: impossible for anybody. Well, she's done what she's had to do.

464
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: I mean, like she she gigs like Chicago. Was like, yeah,

465
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: that's true, you know what I mean, Like she does

466
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 1: her thing like for a while there, I think she

467
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 1: was judging America's got talent. Ye, she's always like and

468
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: then she she's always worked. But what I think is

469
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: not that it's a shame, Well it's a shame is

470
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: because so many people like there wasn't remember there was

471
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,239
Speaker 1: a video which was like for maybe her for like

472
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: birthday or something. All these R and B singers, including

473
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: Jennifer Hudson, were like, Brandy, you are the one. They

474
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: were like trying to sing little riffs that she had

475
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: done and like couldn't do it. And I was like, yeah, actually,

476
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: if you think about it, a lot of music that

477
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: she makes sound very easy, like the song have You

478
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: Ever Oh My God? Yeah, there's some riffing and some

479
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: like vocal gymnastics at the end of that song. Which

480
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: is like it's a lot harder. Well, you know, Whitney

481
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: was like her godmother, Yes, you know what I mean,

482
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: So like she came up under some really talented vocalists.

483
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: And it also goes back to I think we talked

484
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: about this before, but or maybe I just have said

485
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 1: this many times. In some ways, I feel like it's

486
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 1: more difficult to be successful singer if you can sing

487
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: than if you can't sing, because like there's some stuff

488
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 1: that just can't really be captured in the studio. It's

489
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: like you need it, lie I've and people like to

490
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: be able to sing along to ship and if your

491
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: voice is too good, the general public can't sing along

492
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: to some ship that's like belting and head voice and

493
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: big notes. People want to be able to sing along

494
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: to stuff. It's like repetitive and like easy to digest

495
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: in that way. And so it's like if you have

496
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: a really good voice, I think it's just really really hard.

497
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: And that's just like such a strange thing, like not

498
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: to say that, like every big popular singer doesn't have

499
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: a good voice, but there's also a lot of people

500
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: who can really sing, and they pull them back in

501
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: the studio because they're just like, oh, this is a

502
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: little bit too much for like Jen Pop. I will

503
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: cite the person I always cite on this podcast, which

504
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: is Kelly Clarkson. Here's the thing we started up. That's like, yeah, exactly,

505
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: it's one of what she can do. But yes, she

506
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: is belting out the notes in the chorus, but you

507
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: can still anthemically, but the range of the song does

508
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: not show like what her actuality. Yeah, absolutely, And that's

509
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: and now that she's singing on the new album Meaning

510
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: of Life, and she's kind of letting go in the

511
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: way she's always wanted to. Like in her words, it's

512
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: stuff that is soulfu pop, very riffy, very kind of

513
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: emotional and felt. But yes, you can't hear it on

514
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: the radio because people don't know how to do that, right. Yeah,

515
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: they want stuff that has, you know, a smaller range.

516
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: And again, like there are some singers who can break

517
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: out of that, but I do think for some people,

518
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: if your voice is too good, I think that like

519
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: music execs are like I don't know, like there's something

520
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: about and I don't even want to say her name,

521
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: but like say her name, but like I think in

522
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: many ways that's like why Taylor Swift absolutely relates, is

523
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: so relatable to girls, Like she's a decent songwriter, but

524
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: like she is pretty, but she like tones down her pretty,

525
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: so she's like, I'm just like you, and you're like, girl,

526
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: you are six ft tall and like a size to

527
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: like you're not just like me. And then like her

528
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: songs are all really you can sing along to them

529
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: and they're like accessible. It sounds like you're reading from

530
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: her journal, you know what I mean, And like there's

531
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: something about that that audiences really like. It feels like

532
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: you could be my friend, like you are someone I

533
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: could hang out with versus you know, like I love Beyonce,

534
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: but like Beyonce and I are never going to see friends.

535
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: Like she is a star, Like she's not my friend,

536
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: she is a star. She doesn't belong to us in

537
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: the way that is never inviting us over for the

538
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: cook Listen is not inviting me to her fucking house

539
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: and like sending me Christmas cards and ship like are

540
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: you kidding up? Liking posts? She's that's sliding up in

541
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: my d M. She's not being like we are getting

542
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: we're besties, Like no, not at all, Like if she

543
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: acknowledges me I will be forever thankful. I'm grateful. But

544
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like Taylor is like trying

545
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: to be everybody's friends. Isn't her Instagram like taylorst thirteen? Yeah?

546
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: I think her Twitter Instagram handles to like, I'm just

547
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: like you. I couldn't get my own name either. My god,

548
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: oh my god, I hope no Swifties listen to this podcast.

549
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: We've we've come first, We've come for her many times. Okay,

550
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: they tried to get my Twitter shut down? Oh my god, literally, okay,

551
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: yeah they did. Yeah, can we say, okay, can let's

552
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: just exchange some swifty stories because obviously you've dealt with

553
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: this in a much it was very recent, but I'm

554
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: ready to hear you. Mine was election day. I know

555
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: about Taylor posts the Instagram of her standing in line,

556
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: the voting at the at the polls. I'm with someone.

557
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say who, right, So she and

558
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: then and she tweets it, and then I reply like

559
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: she's a little too fucking late, and and I think

560
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: I think just the F word just threw people off,

561
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: and swift Ease latched onto it and they were regressing that. Yeah,

562
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: to think about that I was just and then I

563
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: kept being like, guys, like, it's not about like what

564
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: she owes us and what she does, and it's the

565
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: fact that she like used feminism as like a marketing

566
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: tool exactly exactly, and it's like I was like, I

567
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: was like clapping back with like and look like your

568
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: boy fucking threw down two floor seats. Used to love

569
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: her back in the day, but now she's letting me

570
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: down and I'm just and you're allowed to say that.

571
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. I really feel like the super

572
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: vitriolic level of her fans is due to the fact

573
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: that she has cultivated this fake friendship with them where

574
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: they feel as because what she does is she goes

575
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: on Tumbler and when people write these long ass screeds

576
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: about how dare you come for for for Taylor, she

577
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 1: likes them. So she is like indirectly, uh like rewarding

578
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: that behavior. And so she and her team follows some

579
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: of these accounts in them to her invites them to

580
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: her house, and so I feel like they feel like

581
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: they have to stand up for her an army, like

582
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: they are a Taylor Swift army. And it's so funny

583
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: because they can They've come for me a few times,

584
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: but most recently she did a cover of Earth Wind

585
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 1: and Fire Sweet one single tweet is I tweeted, no

586
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: one asked for them all. I tweeted. I didn't talk

587
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: about like the quality of the song. I didn't mention

588
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: that it sounded like a funeral procession for someone that

589
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: died in September. You know what I'm saying, Like, usually

590
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: you want to see like your uncle and auntie like

591
00:31:51,840 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: popping that pussy, like September and uncle both Tylor. It

592
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: was just like so sad. So I tweeted that out

593
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: and they were coming for me. They were like, bitch,

594
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: I asked for it, and then they were like and

595
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: then like it was okay. But then the funniest was,

596
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, all the Swifty accounts like they searched to

597
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: see that I had tweeted positive things about Taylor Swift

598
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: in the past. They were like, we're exposing Francesca because

599
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: on my thirty second birthday, I tweeted, I'm singing thirty

600
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: two to the tune of Taylor's twenty two. Okay, this

601
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: was three years ago, and they were like, got you

602
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: a bit, and I was like, what song they want?

603
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: To be here. I was like, listen, I have in

604
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: my iTunes right now, do you feel me? Like? There

605
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 1: are a number of songs on the album that I

606
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: enjoyed exactly, but stay in your lane. This was not

607
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: Some songs do not need to be covered, you know

608
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Oh god, they were so bad. So

609
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: then I was getting on a plane. I was like

610
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: leaving a speaking gig, so I was not on the inn.

611
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: Like I tweeted that one tweet. I went back and

612
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: forth the two people. I got on a plane. When

613
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: I got home, in my email box, I had messages

614
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: from Twitter that were like, we've reviewed your account. You

615
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: are not in violation of our terms of service. And

616
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: I was like, why am I getting these messages? They

617
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: were flagging, they were flagging mass flagging that tweet. Then

618
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 1: I went onto my Facebook and they had like and

619
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: I know their swifties because like all of their Facebook

620
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: names are tailor are Taylor Swift and Camilla Cabo was like,

621
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: they love both of them, so either their picture was

622
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: one of them or their name was one of them.

623
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: And they were like leading racial slurs all over my Facebook.

624
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: And then one tweeted, oh um for Tessica's only saying

625
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: this so she can sell her like flap Bass book,

626
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, now that you mention it,

627
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: that escalated book out. And I was also like, way

628
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: did you research on me? Like way to go? Like

629
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, guys, but also like how perfect

630
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: that you literally just illustrated my My book is about

631
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: how the Internet has ruined communication around like the smallest

632
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: issues to like really important issues, right, and how like

633
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: things just get really blowed out of proportion and like

634
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: like everyone's emotions get so high to the point that

635
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 1: one innocuous tweet saying no one asked for this, which

636
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: is a fact. Yeah, no one asked for this. And

637
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: also it wasn't even It's not even inherently negative. It

638
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: was like you know what I'm saying, It wasn't even

639
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: this sucks. Listen why this dreams is like my fucking

640
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: that justice for that music video because it sucked. I

641
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: loved that song. And so I was literally like, not

642
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: that I have to justify, Like I've given Taylor some

643
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: of my money, I've listened to some of her songs.

644
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: I didn't like this cover. It wasn't for me. If

645
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 1: you like it, that's great, but people got really upset

646
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: and and and there were lots of people who were like,

647
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: this is really promo for your book because this happens

648
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: to you all the time. And I'm like, yeah, it

649
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: really perfect. Yes, her flop as book coming out through

650
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: Grand Central Publishing. So, speaking of the book, so Bone

651
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: and I have both read it, and I love this book,

652
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: and I'm very excited that it's that it's out there,

653
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: because I definitely don't know if there's anything that's so

654
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: directly and so relatively tackled the issue of social justice

655
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: and social media living in the same breath and how

656
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: sometimes they can really complicate each other. My god, So

657
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: tell us about why you wanted to write this, and

658
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about what you want people

659
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: to get from it. Yeah, you know. Um, So, I

660
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: had a viral video in two thousand and twelve called

661
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: ship why Girls Sayed a Black Girl, which I didn't

662
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: even know. This is where you came from. Yeah, So

663
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: I have been making videos for like six years prior

664
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: to that, but I was working, like I was working

665
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: as a graphic designer. I wanted to be an entertainment

666
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: you know. I was sending out those headshots that I

667
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: was doing stand up. I was pounding the pavement and

668
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: wasn't getting anywhere. So YouTube was really my outlet. And

669
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: when this viral video happened, it completely rocked my world.

670
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: Suddenly I became the person that everybody wanted to speak

671
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: about race and identity and privilege and oppression. And I

672
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: think a lot of people don't realize that I just

673
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I was just like so unprepared and

674
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: I kind of had to do like a ton of

675
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: homework to get to where I am now. Yeah, and

676
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: so I think through the course of that, you know,

677
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: at the time, lots of people were coming to me

678
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: and saying, write a book, write a book, but I

679
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: didn't know what to write a book about. And I

680
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: just thought, like, well, something, just I haven't done anything yet,

681
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: Like I went viral, that's not And I didn't want

682
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,479
Speaker 1: to write a white girls Say to Black Girl's book,

683
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: which is like what everybody wanted me to do. And

684
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: so I was like, I'm not ready for this. And

685
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 1: then fast forward to five years later, Uh, right after

686
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: Nightly Show got canceled, I thought, well, maybe this is

687
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: the right time, Like I don't have a job, and

688
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: this is something I really wanted to do, and I

689
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: had been kind of like collecting stories like in a

690
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: Google doc, and I really wanted, first of all, to

691
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: shine a light in the fact that we all have

692
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: to start somewhere. And I think, especially right now, conversations

693
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: around social justice are so judgmental, sometimes rightfully so, but

694
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: oftentimes it turns into you don't know what that word means.

695
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: You still watch that show, you still listen to that artist,

696
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: how dare you did? Dad? And it feels for people

697
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 1: who have never been exposed to this stuff, they shut down.

698
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: And I know that because I've been the person doing it,

699
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: and I've been the person on the other side. And

700
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: so I thought, well, why don't I just expose myself

701
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: in hopes that people will be a little more self

702
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: reflective and be honest about their own journeys and be

703
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: a little more gracious to the people that they love

704
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: in their lives who are gonna sunk up, because like

705
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: that's part of being a human, like we all funk up, um,

706
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I wanted to do it in a

707
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: humorous way, but in just like a really honest way too.

708
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: It's so good and I think that's I think That's

709
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: what sort of distinguishes the book from from other similar works.

710
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: I'll say, like the fact that you have that you

711
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: were just able to turn that sort of mirror back

712
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: on yourself and be like, look like I like just

713
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: I think midway through the book, you're like, look, I

714
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: started out being this sort of like you know, and

715
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: I was going to say, like, internet personally like you

716
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: like you succeeded on certain people. But here's the Here's

717
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: the gag is that like so many of us have

718
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: been that person, right, and like social media has made

719
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: us into monsters in the sense that we are all

720
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: putting on this like show for everybody, like look at

721
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: how great my life is and my brunch and my

722
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: outfits and how great these things are. And then we're

723
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: also looking at what everybody else is doing and feeling

724
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: really bad about ourselves. And for me, I thought it

725
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: was really important to say, like, look, I have been

726
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 1: that person, and I had to have my own wake

727
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: up call in order to create the life and career

728
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: that I wanted because I was wasting a lot of

729
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: time talking ship and being negative online. And guess what,

730
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: I bet you are doing that, Like every single person

731
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: is doing that on some level. I mean, it got

732
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: it got so crazy for me. Not not that I

733
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: was engaging too much, but I definitely was where currently

734
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I can speak everyone as well. We're both

735
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: on Facebook right now, And tell me about how you

736
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 1: decided to break away? Can I tell you? On my part,

737
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: it was for cold fucking turkey, Like one day I

738
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: woke up, I was like, I don't need this act.

739
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: It was as I've pulled back a lot. But I mean,

740
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: for me, the complication is that this is part of

741
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: my very good that's so hard. That is something I

742
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 1: really wanted to talk to you about because I recently

743
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: had a discussion with someone and I had just met

744
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: this person and I incredibly smart guy. And um actually

745
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: Laura Ashley Smith's father. Yes, yeah, I was out there

746
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: Mariah Smith Laura actually met. They're good friends of ours,

747
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: and I was out there on a story Price trip

748
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: and they graciously invited us over to their house. And

749
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: I was talking to him and I said I had

750
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: just deleted Facebook, and he said, I don't think it's

751
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: a good idea to delete Facebook because that just removes

752
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: one intelligent voice from the discussion. And I thought to myself,

753
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't call Facebook and intelligence. And so

754
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: then I thought to myself, but I do see what

755
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 1: he's saying. You know what I mean, because and throughout

756
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: your book you do you have so many like really

757
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: good positive ideas about how you engage with people online

758
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: and calling them in as opposed to calling them out

759
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: every time, which I really encourage people to read this

760
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: book and read all about but I do think and

761
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: then your book also gets into self care. It was

762
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 1: part of my self care to get off Facebook caause

763
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 1: I I it got to a point where I found

764
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: that that site became a place where I would only

765
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: put negative thoughts and felt everyone else. It felt like

766
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: different from Twitter and Instagram, and that Facebook became a

767
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: place to dump negative feelings. Yeah, and I think Facebook

768
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: is also different because you have relationships with those people.

769
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: Like on Twitter, it's not my friends, it's not my family,

770
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: it's like celebrities, it's media outlets. It's like some Internet

771
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: people that I know, but not people that I'm like

772
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: close with. And there's something very different about when you're

773
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: on Facebook and it's somebody that you went to high

774
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: school with and they're just saying like super ignorant shit

775
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: that like hurts you in a very different way than

776
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: like Kanye saying ignorant, which is like still terrible, but

777
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: they just feel very different. Well, Facebook, I think, and

778
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: this is I'm just gonna recount something that happened to Matt,

779
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: and I feel like Facebook sort of yeuh, this in

780
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: this very specific place because like that sort of exemplifies

781
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: call out versus calling, like incidents where Matt, you were

782
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: having this issue and correct me if I'm wrong, where

783
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: you were just having these public Oh god, I was

784
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: seeing them, yes, like a Gora esque like like but

785
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: then but then it always like to the tenor of

786
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: each conversation was completely changed as soon as you reached

787
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: out to them individually and you're like, hey, let's talk

788
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: this out person to person. Through my own experience, I mean,

789
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: people are surprised nowadays when you go to speak to

790
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: them directly because it doesn't because it does not happen.

791
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: And again, like this is something I talked about in

792
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: the book, is that I had this, and I think

793
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: everybody falls into this where we like, we want the

794
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: cookies like people do on Facebook, and they're like, I

795
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: just want to say if you're a Trump supporter, and

796
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: I was like thumbs up. You tell them sisters like

797
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: that's right, and like everyone just like patting themselves in

798
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: the back, like what the funk are you? You're not

799
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: actually doing anything. I have totally done that, I've totally

800
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: been there. And then what ends up happening is that

801
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: you realize like that doesn't actually do anything, but does nothing. No,

802
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: and they don't taste good. They're like gluten free, like

803
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: they're like the diet cookies, like like there's nothing. And

804
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: then you have somebody who like jumps into the conversation

805
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: who like genuinely doesn't know anything. They put their foot

806
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: in their mouths, and then like everybody descends on them.

807
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: It becomes confusing too, because it's what the it's what

808
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: the discussion was initially about, and then the subsect of

809
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: this person inserting themselves and all of a sudden, it's confusing.

810
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: And also timing is weird. Remember it's not a conversation.

811
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: You could reply to something and then there's like two

812
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: days later and then like people from all different cross

813
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: sections of her life like chime in. I remember after

814
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: the election, Uh, everybody was posting about you know, they

815
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: were upset about Donald Trump, and my dad had just

816
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: joined Facebook. Now, my dad lives in South Carolina. He

817
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: like there's no innet, like there's no internet cafes, like,

818
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: he didn't have internet for a really long time. So

819
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: he just got on Facebook and he posted something like,

820
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, like on my Facebook wall, like it's in

821
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: God's hands or something, which I was like, oh God,

822
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 1: But I also know my dad, right, I know him,

823
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: and I had friends from college. You were like, listen up, sir,

824
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, holy sh it. Like my friend

825
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: from like who's like a fucking feminist scholar, is like

826
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: going off on my dad about like intersectionality and how

827
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: like Mark and how it's like easy for him as

828
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: like a straight sister dude to say it's in God's hands,

829
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: but she's agnostic and like that and like all very

830
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: valid things. But I also was just like, my dad

831
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: does not even know like what you were, He doesn't

832
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: know what these words mean. And now like everybody else

833
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: is tagging on so that they can look cooler, and

834
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my god, I have to

835
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: delete this and call my dad and be like, okay, listen,

836
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: you can't do that. You that's how you feel about it,

837
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: but like this is why other people got upset and

838
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: it was if I hadn't called him and talked to him,

839
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: I feel like he would have felt completely different about

840
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: that situation. And most of us, I feel like too

841
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: often we're so quick to go in on somebody online

842
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: that we actually care about that it would be so

843
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: different if we just picked up the phone and talk

844
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: to Oh, absolutely okay, and I want to talk about

845
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: because this sort of gets into and I don't know,

846
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: and tell me if these aren't necessarily the same things.

847
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: You talk about cookies a lot, And that's a cheap

848
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: Amanda sort of quote from Americana where it's like, I'm

849
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: we don't get a cookie for like racism shouldn't exist.

850
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: You don't get a cookie. It's like not being racist,

851
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: beautiful quote like just is perfect? Um is? Is that

852
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 1: is that impulse to like fucking descend on someone just

853
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: to like performatively show how woke or whatever you are? Like?

854
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: Is that is that some like like how like how

855
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: do you? Sort of I always struggle with like um

856
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: separating like virtue signaling with like actually trying to be educational.

857
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: But you know what, No, You've answered my own question.

858
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of both for some people,

859
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: calling it is different. Calling it is not virtue signal

860
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: because calling in calling in you, I mean, and if

861
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: you're not familiar with the term, calling in is like

862
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: taking somebody aside and having like a private personal conversation

863
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: with them, and it takes it's a lot more work,

864
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: it's a lot more emotional labor, which is why a

865
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: lot of people don't want to do it. And I

866
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: totally get that, and I think especially for like marginalized people,

867
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, like every time a straight person says something stupid,

868
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: like you don't want to have to like pull them

869
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: aside and like explain to them, like you know, like

870
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: l g B t Q history, Like you don't want

871
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: to do that work. And I totally get that, but

872
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: I also think sometimes we kind of have to. And

873
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: for me, I do think sometimes people descend on other

874
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: people because they need an outlet, and it's and it

875
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: is very frustrating, especially there's so much scary shit happening

876
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: in the world, like life and death ship, and when

877
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: somebody completely invalidates your experience or just says something really

878
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: dismissive or just downright ignorant, even if they don't mean it.

879
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 1: In that way and you're just like mad, Like you

880
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: have probably had those times where're like, oh, I have

881
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: time to like you don't really have time. You're like

882
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: I have somewhere to be a but I'm going the

883
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: funk in like I have all the gifts I have,

884
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: like all the emojies, like I am red d like catchphrases,

885
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: everything right, and it's like not even about them, you

886
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: know what I mean. People are like you know, they're

887
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: like Okay, Becky and they're like Melissa and different, like

888
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like it just it just turns

889
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: into something else. And again, sometimes it's a performance and

890
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: sometimes it's a cathartic experience where you're just like I'm

891
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: really upset aby out this or like not to keep

892
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: bring up Kanye, but like he most recently said that

893
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: like slavery was a choice, and black Twitter turned it

894
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: into like a hilarious hashtag where like became cathartic, where

895
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: like we were dragging Kanye, but we're also kind of

896
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: just like laughing at the idea of like this is

897
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: something people say all the time, like oh that would

898
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: live I was in slavery, I would have done a

899
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: by and see, so like now let's all make jokes

900
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 1: about it, right, and like let's all commiserate and how

901
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: stupid this is, but also like say something funny and educational.

902
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: So I think that sometimes it is for other people

903
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: and sometimes it is just like I need to get

904
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: this off of my chest. And I think I've been

905
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: in I've been in both of those places. Well, there's

906
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: the call out culture, which I think can be positive

907
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: because then you can at least feel like you're not

908
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: alone here when people do say hi, I see this,

909
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: and I'm responding. And I think sometimes call in culture

910
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: or calling in can feel intimidate aiding, because then you're

911
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: responsible for the person's reaction. And there's actually a paragraph

912
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: in your book that I wanted to draw attention to

913
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: specifically because I've actually had a very chearful conversation with

914
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: a member of my family when I brought up their privilege,

915
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: and I wanted to read this little if I can.

916
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: Here's what I've learned. Conversations about race and privilege are difficult,

917
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: especially with someone you love. When Patrick, your husband, and

918
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: I first talked about white privilege, I remember him getting

919
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: hung up on the word privilege itself, like so many

920
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 1: people do in many ways. The word is a misnomer

921
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: since it's so closely associated with wealth and a complete

922
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: lack of struggle. So instead of trying to explain it,

923
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: getting inevitably more and more agitated as I did, so,

924
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 1: I pivoted and talked about my own privilege as a straight,

925
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: able bodied CIS woman. No one asked me invasive questions

926
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 1: about my genitals are gross relations relationship questions like which

927
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: one of you is the man. The conversation slowly grew

928
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: from you have privileged to everyone has privileged, so let's

929
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: figure out how to navigate it. And I thought that

930
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: was really a good way to ago about future conversations

931
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: like this. Because the person that I had this discussion

932
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 1: with it became a fight. I said, privilege. Oh my god,

933
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: that word, because that's people, because they don't understand that

934
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: it's not saying you've had it easy your whole life,

935
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: and it's not ignoring any sort of marginalization now that

936
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: you may feel. The minute you bring up privilege, people

937
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 1: are like one time I broke my leg in third

938
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: grade and I couldn't go swimming all summer long, and

939
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, like great, especially especially white people who

940
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 1: because they've had economic struggles, and they say, how dare

941
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: you saying privileged? And it's just this, it's an acknowledgement

942
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: of what separates you from actual marginalized groups. And I

943
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: think that is a way that is that is something

944
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: to acknowledge, is that the word privilege rings a certain

945
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: bell in those ears that it need not well. And

946
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: I think that again, that's like one of the big

947
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: themes of this book. There's so much stuff that people

948
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: don't know. And so when you go into a conversation

949
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: with somebody of like, you're wrong because you don't know

950
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: this thing, they are like, well, I don't even know

951
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, So like I don't know that.

952
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: How do I know that I'm wrong? If I don't

953
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: know about the thing that you're telling I don't know what.

954
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly, so how do we even start right?

955
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: And like speaking another language, and also when when you're

956
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: speaking a language that sounds talk downy because it obviously

957
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: is educated or like required a diversity of opinion to

958
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: arrive there, it can feel like, wow, this person thinks

959
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: they're better. That just correcting someone's behavior in any like

960
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,959
Speaker 1: arena is going to feel like a little like, oh God,

961
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: you're telling me that I did something wrong. And I

962
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: think people in general just don't like to be corrected.

963
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: And also I don't know if it's like a specifically

964
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: American thing, but in some ways, I mean, I'm only

965
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: in American, so I don't know in any other way,

966
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: but I feel like it feels very like this is

967
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 1: who I am. Take me or leave me, like I'm grown,

968
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,959
Speaker 1: like gonna be who I am. Like people are not

969
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: comfortable admitting when they're wrong, and so like when you

970
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: tell someone like you are wrong, you just hurt me,

971
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: Like people go on the defensive and the privileged thing.

972
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: I really realized that, like white privilege is the one

973
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: that everybody knows of, and so they think like, oh,

974
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: you're only saying that white people have privilege, and it's like, no,

975
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm an able bodied person. I can go to any

976
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: bathroom anywhere, and I am fine right, Like I never

977
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: have to think about like will my wheelchair fit in

978
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: the store? Like will I mean like and I remember

979
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: I went out to dinner with a friend who's in

980
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: a wheelchair, and we've never gone out to a restaurant before,

981
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: and we went to a fucking restaurant and there was

982
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: stairs leading into the restaurant, and I was like, oh

983
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: my god. I didn't even like I never would have

984
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: thought about that because I've gone to this fucking restaurant

985
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: and it wasn't like a lot of stairs. It was

986
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: like three stairs. And she was like it's fine, like

987
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: I know how to do it. But I also really

988
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: had this moment of like, oh my god, I never

989
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: think about this ever. It's not my fault, like I'm

990
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: not a bad person for it, but like I had

991
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: a moment of like, oh wow, like that's my privilege

992
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: as an able bodied person. Um. And I think, and

993
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: what you touched on in the book is that privilege

994
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: just comes to me. It just means the different ways

995
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: in which people move through the world. Oh and then

996
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: you have this cute story about a caterpillar in a

997
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: snail going to a party, and like it explains it

998
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 1: was very funny the way it ended. Thank you, Thanks,

999
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: you know. I I often describe my work as like

1000
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: when you are feeding a baby like vegetables, and you

1001
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: like do the airplane and you're still getting the baby

1002
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: the veggies, but you're like here, like I just try

1003
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: to take I love analogies. So I try to wrap

1004
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: things in like a funny joke or an analogy or

1005
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: like a self drag and hope that people will say, like, oh,

1006
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: now I get it. You're not yelling at me. You're

1007
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: not telling me that like I'm just a bad person.

1008
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: You're saying like we all have sucked up, and like

1009
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: here's another way to understand this fun up and like

1010
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: move past it. That's great. Um, let's take a quick

1011
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Speaker 1: enjoy your sleep experience. We are back with Francesco Ramsey,

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Speaker 1: who I am confident to say is one of the

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Speaker 1: hardest working people that seriously and seriously. I mean not

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Speaker 1: even just like with the career like your I see

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Speaker 1: we see you up in the jail. Listen. I think

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Speaker 1: about it all the time, And now I want to

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Speaker 1: just read something that you said, look at your work

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Speaker 1: as a contract you have with you. I loved that

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Speaker 1: because then you go and stay getting auditions. His work

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Speaker 1: posting videos is work. Even if you don't book the

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Speaker 1: gig or go viral. You've still met the conditions of

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Speaker 1: your contract if you do that. So, especially in this

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Speaker 1: kind of career where you're kind of trying to create

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Speaker 1: your own career, which is I think what we both

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Speaker 1: do and you've you've done for so many years successfully. Um,

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Speaker 1: just kind of at least giving yourself every opportunity to succeed,

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Speaker 1: because I think such an important thing, Like can you

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Speaker 1: talk about being like a self starter? Yeah? I mean

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Speaker 1: the thing is is like that specific thing is something

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Speaker 1: that I learned from a girl who I was throwing

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Speaker 1: mad shade at. I just thought that she was not successful.

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Speaker 1: I didn't get it. I thought she was like, not

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Speaker 1: that talented. And I met her at a party and

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Speaker 1: she was super nice and and I said, like, how

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Speaker 1: do you do it? How do you do it all

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Speaker 1: and that was the thing that she said to me,

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Speaker 1: and it really shook me because I realized that I

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Speaker 1: was making lots of excuses for myself, whether it was

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Speaker 1: I got an audition and I only had X amount

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Speaker 1: of hours to learn the side. So then I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: then I'm just so I'm not going to learn it,

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Speaker 1: or I'm not going to go or it's not enough

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Speaker 1: times and why I try, or like I'm not even

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Speaker 1: gonna like, you know, get memorized, or whatever it was.

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Speaker 1: And I was just always making excuses for myself. And

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Speaker 1: I realized that at the end of the day, the

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Speaker 1: only person that's responsible for my career is me, and

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Speaker 1: especially as a creator, we have we have a luxury

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Speaker 1: that many do not have, and that like we really

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Speaker 1: don't need somebody to offer us a job. We can't

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Speaker 1: start a podcast, write a web series, go do stand

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Speaker 1: up right a sketch, like, we can make stuff, and

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Speaker 1: that is leaning to so many some opportunities we know

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Speaker 1: in this room between us, like so many people who

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Speaker 1: have television shows and nobody gave them the show they

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Speaker 1: like bang down doors, they made those opportunities happen for themselves.

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Speaker 1: And so I really needed to have that experience with

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Speaker 1: this this person in order to realize like, oh, it's

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Speaker 1: that easy, that like I can just do the work.

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Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, like you have

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Speaker 1: to set goals for yourself, and if the goal is

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Speaker 1: just get to the audition, then you did it. Then

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Speaker 1: you did exactly what you set out to do. And

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Speaker 1: so like I really just try to start. I make

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Speaker 1: big goals, but I start small too, so that I

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Speaker 1: can feel like I got something done. And that's been

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Speaker 1: really helpful for me, especially because the only thing that's

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Speaker 1: promised to you, and it's promised to you is that

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Speaker 1: you have the audition, you know what I mean, at

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Speaker 1: least that much people, but don't get Listen, how many

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Speaker 1: people do you know that are like guys, I'm going

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Speaker 1: out to l A for pilot season and they're out

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Speaker 1: there for three months and I don't get one. It's hard.

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Speaker 1: And so if like, if you have an opportunity, you

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Speaker 1: gotta give yourself all the you have to drench that

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Speaker 1: opportunity of all its juice, if that makes any sense. Opportunity, Well,

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Speaker 1: I think well, I think the other part of this

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Speaker 1: is that I think you even bring this up because

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Speaker 1: it's sort of like the opposite scenario circumstance of like Okay,

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Speaker 1: well then I could spend my life like this could

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Speaker 1: be the alternative to me spending my time just like

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Speaker 1: going online and like losing my mind. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like it's like you at a certain

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Speaker 1: point you have to ask yourself this hypothetical question of like, well,

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Speaker 1: what would my life look like if I didn't give

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Speaker 1: the time to all that other ship exactly? Like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I would just be improving myself, working for myself, like

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Speaker 1: creating opportunities, etcetera, etcetera. Like that is I think that

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Speaker 1: is also like how it ties back into everything else

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Speaker 1: in the book, is that like, look look at this

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Speaker 1: whole other side of like the world that's like open

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Speaker 1: to you. Like sure, like like do what's importantly, do

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Speaker 1: the work that's important, like in terms of social justice,

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Speaker 1: but also like give yourself the time in the space

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Speaker 1: to like just be the best version of yourself. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And also I was kind of surprised to learn actually,

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Speaker 1: um that you used to be quite the stoner. And

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about talk about that. We must talk about

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Speaker 1: this because I actually, as I smoke quite a bit

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Speaker 1: of weed, so does Bowen. Um, I probably smoke a

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Speaker 1: little bit more than you every single day. Um, But

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Speaker 1: you get into this in the book about self care

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Speaker 1: about quitting you actually had to stop. And so now

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Speaker 1: as of recently, I've started to realize that my memory

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Speaker 1: is a little worse than I would like it to be.

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Speaker 1: And so do you think that that has anything to

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Speaker 1: do with that? And also because the answer is probably yes,

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Speaker 1: Like when did you get to the point where you

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Speaker 1: were like, do I have to stop doing this entirely?

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Speaker 1: I know you talk about this in the book, but

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Speaker 1: I like everyone sure. I mean I used to be

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Speaker 1: like a full blown wake and bake smoke pie every

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Speaker 1: single day, and like full disclosure. If I'm at like

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Speaker 1: a party and someone like offers me a hit, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: all right, I'll do it. But like there was just

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Speaker 1: a time where like if I didn't have weed, I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I don't have any weed.

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Speaker 1: Like you gotta call the guy, like what's going on?

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Speaker 1: He's not he's not texting me back, hastening, start to

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Speaker 1: go downstairs and like ask the guy, Like like we

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Speaker 1: had a guy in the building who was like our

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Speaker 1: backup guy. Yeah, but like it's not good weed. She's

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Speaker 1: in the building. You know what I mean? That building

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Speaker 1: is not We're not doing high quality like lights and

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Speaker 1: ship like it was like swaggy, like not cute weed.

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Speaker 1: And then you have like the friend who smokes a

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Speaker 1: lot of weed who can just like show up to

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Speaker 1: their house and be like, how's it going, what's going

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Speaker 1: on with you? Oh? I know there's a joint here,

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Speaker 1: let's smoke it. Like so like I was setting up

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Speaker 1: all these scenarios like help me smoke weed, and then

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Speaker 1: what I was realizing was I stopped being like a

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Speaker 1: fun stoner and I started being like, have a meltdown,

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Speaker 1: start crying. I feel like my world is ending stoner

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Speaker 1: where like I would just get so overwhelmed and I

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Speaker 1: would either like lay in bed and do nothing, or

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Speaker 1: I would like go on social media and I would

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Speaker 1: see what everyone else was doing, and I would start

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Speaker 1: feeling really bad about myself, and then I would start

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Speaker 1: arguing with my husband and every single time he would

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Speaker 1: just be like, are you stoned right now? And I

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Speaker 1: was just realizing that pot was not fun for me anymore.

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Speaker 1: And I do think it was for me at least

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Speaker 1: because it was an everyday thing, like start my morning

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Speaker 1: stone and be stoned all day long, and then like

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Speaker 1: get to two o'clock where you like feel a little

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Speaker 1: like the buzz change a little bit and you're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: You're like, oh god, I'm still stoned, you know. And

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Speaker 1: so I think that for me, I just realized that

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Speaker 1: I needed to stop smoking weed be because it just was.

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Speaker 1: And the circumstance for me was that I I got

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Speaker 1: really sick. I lost my voice, and like I was

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Speaker 1: like at a party and I smoked weed and then

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Speaker 1: the next day I couldn't talk, and I couldn't talk

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Speaker 1: for like two weeks, and like I had just been

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Speaker 1: invited to go on nightly show. I was like on

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Speaker 1: vacation and I got the email that was like, hey,

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Speaker 1: can you go on nightly show? And I was like fuck,

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Speaker 1: funck fuck, I gotta get my voice back, Like I

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Speaker 1: have to get my voice back. And I'm on vacation

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Speaker 1: and everyone's smoking weed and drinking and I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to do it. I'm just not going to smoke weed

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Speaker 1: because I need to and my voice to come back.

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Speaker 1: And so I just was like, all right, I'm quitting

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Speaker 1: cold turkey. And then my voice came back like two

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Speaker 1: days before I was supposed to fly back, and then

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Speaker 1: I got the job, and then I realized like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I really need to like focus on this job. I'm

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Speaker 1: in like a new circumstance and smoking weed is not

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Speaker 1: helping me. Um. And so I had a I think

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Speaker 1: I had a few times where I tried to go

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Speaker 1: to work stoned and I was just like, this is

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Speaker 1: really bad. This is just like not helping me. It's

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Speaker 1: stressing me out. It's not fun anymore. And rank such

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Speaker 1: a bell for me just there. One time I was

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Speaker 1: on my tour guide job and I had had an

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Speaker 1: edible and I was like, I literally I can't really

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Speaker 1: believe I even just said that, but like, but I

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Speaker 1: don't have the job anymore. It's like along in the past,

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Speaker 1: but who so who cares? But I was standing there

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Speaker 1: and I was like, I have to talk to people

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Speaker 1: like in two seconds. And I was one of the

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Speaker 1: highest I've ever been in my life, one of the highest. Um.

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Speaker 1: But I was like, oh, maybe my decision making isn't

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Speaker 1: good anything. Yeah. I think I do think that you

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Speaker 1: build up a tolerance and it changes like in your body,

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Speaker 1: and like I've heard this about like certain foods that

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Speaker 1: like if you eat a certain food all the time,

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Speaker 1: that your body can just develop an allergy to it,

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Speaker 1: like suddenly, like those people who are like I've drank

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Speaker 1: milk my whole life, and then all of a sudden

1241
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Speaker 1: I became like super act was intolerant or suddenly I

1242
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Speaker 1: found out I had a gluten intolerance. And like, I've

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Speaker 1: eat bread my whole life. I've never it's never bothered me,

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Speaker 1: and now suddenly I get like stomach cramps. I really

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Speaker 1: think that happens with weed, that like if you do

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Speaker 1: it a lot, that your body like can change how

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Speaker 1: it reacts to it. I've had people be like, you

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Speaker 1: need a different strain, and I'm like, I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: do like real literally was just about to ask you,

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Speaker 1: I don't think a strain like positive because there was

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Speaker 1: a there was a time where it was a bad

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01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: strain and I was getting anxious every time. I also

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01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: was having some tough times with relationship, and so I

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Speaker 1: think that situationally and also the weed I was smoking,

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Speaker 1: we're making me. Literally I think I was going to

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Speaker 1: get hit by a car no matter where I was. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was if it was on the seventh floor of

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Speaker 1: a building, gonna get hit by a car. I can't

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Speaker 1: explain to you how I knew a car would hit me.

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Speaker 1: I have had so many friends be like, well, you

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Speaker 1: need to have this kind of just like you know what.

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Speaker 1: I don't need to do research, Like that's just not

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Speaker 1: in my nature. Like again, if I'm at a party

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Speaker 1: and like someone offers to me and I'm like, all right,

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Speaker 1: I could do like a hit. But I was at

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Speaker 1: the point where like we had like a giant roar

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Speaker 1: bong that was on display in our apartment all the time,

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Speaker 1: and it was like whenever you came over, it was

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01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: like you need to christen the roar. Like it was

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01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: like it was like a whole like a lifestyle. And

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01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: I just and I was like spending so much money

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01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: on it, and I just realized, like it's a lot

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01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 1: of money. And I just like I do have some

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01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: days where I'm like, God, I would love to be

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01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: stoned right now, And then I think I have a

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01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: lot of ship to do, Like if I got stoned

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01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: right now, I would not be able to anything. I

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01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: will say, I do wait until my stuff for the

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01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: day is done. At least that here's the thing I

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01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: I don't think for me, it's a personal thing in

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01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: the sense I don't begrudge anyone. I had some great

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01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: times when I was stoned. I also sometimes realized, like

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01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 1: when I'm recounting a time that was great when I

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01:07:55,960 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: was stoned, I was like, this is only great to me. Actually,

1285
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: like that funny of a story, the story, and really

1286
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: nothing happened. The whole story is like we were so honestly, yeah,

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01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: it's so true. Like whenever we talk about we we

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01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: go to Orlando like once a year, like that's like

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01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 1: our thing. Whenever we talked about it, we're always like

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01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: and also we were high, and it just kind of

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01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: sounds like okay, okay, I'm like, it sounds do she

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01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: it sounds stupid. I also realized because of that I

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01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: had certain friends. I mean like kind of sounds like

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01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: it sounds like I had a heroin addiction that I

1295
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: was literally like I didn't really like you that much.

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01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 1: Like we just got stoned together and I like didn't

1297
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 1: really know anything about you. We would just get stone

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01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: and like laugh. And now that I don't really smoke

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01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 1: weed like that anymore, I'm just like I don't really

1300
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 1: want to hang out with you because all you do

1301
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 1: smoke weed, and like that's totally okay. But then I realized,

1302
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: like what do we have if not weed? We don't

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01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 1: have anything. We literally all we have is weed, and

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01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: so I don't know. Well, I'm happy I said it

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01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: out loud, well just because like I don't know, Like

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01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: it was so funny because like when I was in

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01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: high school, it was never like you talk about starting

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01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: smoking weed. Ear Oh, So my mom read the book

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01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: and when she she it wasn't a candle, she didn't.

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01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: So like when I was in high school, I smoked

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01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 1: weed every single day and I told my mother it

1312
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: was a candle and she did not know. And so

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01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 1: she read the book. She didn't mention that specifically, but

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01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: I know that's what she was talking about. She was

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01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 1: like it was really great, Like she was like there

1316
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: are some some language, and she's like, there's also some

1317
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: unknowns revealed revealed. It's like, what is this? This is

1318
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: like an email to HR, like what the fuck there

1319
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:47,520
Speaker 1: were unknown Oh that's a great combination of words, potential

1320
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: title of I love finding the title. Yeah, so my

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01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: mom my mom had no clue, and I really think

1322
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 1: in retrospect it was because my mom's brothers had like

1323
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: very serious drug problems. So my mom was like, drugs

1324
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: are bad, Like all drugs are terrible. So she really

1325
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:12,679
Speaker 1: kind of had no understanding or concept of like casual drugs,

1326
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 1: it should be harmless in its way. Yeah, Like to her,

1327
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 1: all drugs were like you smoke crack, like you were

1328
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: gonna like you're you're going to ruin your marriage and

1329
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: live on the street. Yeah, And like I was smoking

1330
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: weed every day and like getting good grades and I

1331
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: was totally fine. And so she would ask me what

1332
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: that smell was and I was just like, Oh, it's

1333
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: a candle, and she just said I. Honestly, I don't

1334
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: even know if she knew until she read the book,

1335
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,600
Speaker 1: because I never I never I never told her a

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01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: candle that smells very specific, Like honestly, I was just

1337
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: I was like, what was this aromatic weed that you

1338
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: were a candle? Why would you want your house to

1339
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 1: smell like that. There was one other part of the

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01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 1: book which I was like really kind of fast senated by,

1341
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: and I actually read it. I read it. My father

1342
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: drove me back into New York today and I read

1343
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: this out loud to him, because God, this is so weird,

1344
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: I know to hear back no, but it's so cool.

1345
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 1: But wow, that is that's like, that is an honor.

1346
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: So there's a whole chapter in the book about hair,

1347
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 1: and I did not know many of these statistics. Well.

1348
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: I also underlined this sentence which I love, which is

1349
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: be who you needed when you were younger, which I

1350
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: think is just something really great too to remember. But

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01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: I just want to read this um in. In two thousands,

1352
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 1: seventeen to sixteen year old twin sisters at Boston's Mystic

1353
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:42,480
Speaker 1: Valley Regional Charter School were told their braided hair extensions

1354
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,679
Speaker 1: were quote distracting and in violation of the dress code.

1355
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: When they refused to quote fix their hair their natural

1356
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 1: hair that they were wearing, they were banned from extracurriculus

1357
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,839
Speaker 1: and prom and threatened with suspension. In two thousands sixteen,

1358
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: Durham School for Creative Studies made a group of students

1359
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 1: removed the head wraps they are wearing to celebrate Black

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01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: History Month. In two thirteen, a private school in Orlando

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01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: threatened to expel twelve year old Vanessa van Dyke, whose

1362
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 1: voluminous natural look was so fierce that I'm kind of

1363
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: questioning mylocks right now, and she didn't cut her shape

1364
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: her hair. And then it goes on to detail many

1365
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: more recent occurrences of schools, charter schools, but still, um,

1366
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 1: telling these girls that they are natural hair was distracting.

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01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: And you're talking about how, you know, the transition or

1368
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 1: decision to do whatever you want to with a black

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01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 1: woman's hair or a black girl's hair is very personal

1370
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 1: and it's just time consuming and all these things. And

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01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,679
Speaker 1: to think that these schools are like holding it against

1372
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: these people, like it's just crazy. I didn't know anything.

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01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: I mean, historically, we have always been told that everything

1374
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: about us is wrong, from like our bodies to our noses,

1375
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,600
Speaker 1: to our hair to the way we speak. Like everything

1376
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 1: has been policed and really kind of shaped by this

1377
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 1: idea of like fitting into like whiteness, you know, and

1378
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 1: and and that's not to say that that doesn't happen

1379
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: across cultures, but for black people especially, like it is

1380
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 1: this constant struggle of like making sure that I am myself,

1381
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 1: but also like don't make people uncomfortable. You want to

1382
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 1: make sure. When I went natural, I remember my mom

1383
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: being like, are you gonna be able to get a job,

1384
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 1: and me thinking like what are you talking about? But

1385
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: also now knowing that, like, yeah, there are people who

1386
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:34,679
Speaker 1: have lost their job because they dared to wear their

1387
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 1: hair in the way that it naturally comes out of

1388
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 1: their head. And we see this in like fashion and

1389
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 1: in entertainment where models are like, yeah, I'm basically bald

1390
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: now because when I show up on set, they don't

1391
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 1: know how to do my hair and they're like ripping

1392
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 1: it out or I had to put weaves in and

1393
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: I had to dye my hair and straighten it and

1394
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: damage it because I mean and even now, like I

1395
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 1: have a hair stylus that I bring with me, but

1396
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: I've always been used to doing my own hair because

1397
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: when I would help on set, no one knew how

1398
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: to do my hair right, right right, And it's like

1399
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 1: that would make up as well, Oh yes, and thank

1400
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: goodness for Delina, but I made sure she taught me

1401
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: how to do my own makeup and like what foundations

1402
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: to bring with me, because sometimes you go on set

1403
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 1: and I can't have her there. I'm at a state

1404
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 1: or something and the person just doesn't know, they don't know,

1405
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: and so it is very interesting, especially because again that's

1406
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: not that privilege right of like why would you know that?

1407
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 1: Like even the fact that when I was in high school,

1408
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: there was no natural hair care aisle in the store,

1409
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 1: and even now it's like a tiny little space. But

1410
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 1: in some stores, depending on what neighborhood you're in, there's

1411
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,600
Speaker 1: no beauty products for me in that store. I have

1412
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 1: to go to the hood, or I have to make

1413
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: sure that i'm in or I go specifically to like

1414
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 1: a black haircare. You mentioned in the book where you

1415
01:14:56,479 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 1: went to college for a short time, like the most

1416
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 1: like it was an hour that was appropriate for your

1417
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: hair was an hour away, an hour away, there was

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01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: no one in I was living in an arbor because

1419
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: I was going to University of Michigan. There was no

1420
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 1: one in ann arbor who could do my hair. And

1421
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: I was just like, wow, I guess I'm going natural

1422
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 1: now because I can't get my primary I can't get

1423
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,679
Speaker 1: a relaxer here. It's just so crazy. I I think

1424
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: that almost nobody understands that. That's the reality I mean.

1425
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: And the thing that I want people to walk away

1426
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 1: with when they read this book is that there are

1427
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: all sorts of realities that we are not aware of. Right.

1428
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: It's like, I want to speak very openly and honestly

1429
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 1: about the fact, whether it's the fact that I'm able

1430
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 1: bodied or the fact that I'm you know, sis, I

1431
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 1: can go to my doctor and I can talk to

1432
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 1: them about my healthcare needs and nobody says to me, well,

1433
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: have you thought about losing weight or or miss gendered

1434
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 1: me or refused certain service to me? Or I don't

1435
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 1: have to worry about my housing. Like there are thirty

1436
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 1: eight states in this country where you can legally deny

1437
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 1: housing to somebody because they're lgbt Q, or you can

1438
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: fire them the majority legally, I mean, And those are

1439
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 1: things like can I would ever have to think about?

1440
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 1: And so I really wanted to talk about this in

1441
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 1: like a comedic and approachable way, but also to say

1442
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 1: like we all have stuff that we have to learn,

1443
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: and we all have to have our eyes opened at

1444
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 1: some point um and it's okay, we could do it together.

1445
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,799
Speaker 1: And it's it's you really do have such a skill

1446
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: and I mean, like that approachability and relatability that you

1447
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: have on camera, which is such a natural gift that

1448
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 1: you have. Not really media, we always sat as medium

1449
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 1: because we do take a picture at the end. It

1450
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: is an important part of the listeners, Tota have no,

1451
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 1: it's a fantastic book. I have a little passage I

1452
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: want to read. I love a good hashtag passage. Hashtag passage. Well, guys,

1453
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: just picking up in store is wherever you get books.

1454
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: But it's just this is why I love this book.

1455
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 1: She does not do herself the disservice of being absolutely prescriptive,

1456
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 1: because she's I mean, she's like giving you advice, but

1457
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 1: she's also backing this up with like anecdotes or with

1458
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 1: examples of which she has had to learn these things herself.

1459
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 1: It's it's so illuminating. It's so so so good. You

1460
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,639
Speaker 1: should be so proud, you should be so good. I'm

1461
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 1: gonna read this ahead. This is towards the end of

1462
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 1: the book, but it's so good. I like gasp when

1463
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: I read this this passage. Oh he gasped money. Okay, great,

1464
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 1: here we go. The world is an unwieldy Okay. The

1465
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 1: world is an unwieldy place these days, and my little

1466
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 1: corner of it. The internet is particularly stressful. It allows

1467
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 1: people to make anonymous claims without any repercussions. Many social

1468
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 1: media users seem dedicated to to taking your words out

1469
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,600
Speaker 1: of context, to make you look stupid or worse. And

1470
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 1: the fact that we're often talking about life and death

1471
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: issues for people who haven't had the chance to advocate

1472
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: for themselves, and you have a ticking time bomb. I'm

1473
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: not sure I could call myself an expert in anything

1474
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 1: other than styling my here in bad puns. But I

1475
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: truly believe that trying to get it right is worth something. Yeah,

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01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 1: so good, so good, Thank you so much. Excellent, excellent,

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01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 1: an excellent review from Lost Cultures. Use that Pocorde. Watch

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Speaker 1: when they take the hardcover back and all of a

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01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 1: sudden there's a new book and it says Lost Cultures

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01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: Approved like a Newberry Award, Like that's what I want,

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01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 1: Like a Newberry word, like elementary school the Rule of

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01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 1: Culture number ninety two. The Lost Cultures approval is the

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01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 1: New Newberry Awards. Say it with me. The approval is

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01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: the New Newberry Award. And matt Um, the adult version

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01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 1: of the Newberry word is the Pulitzer Prize. I just

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Speaker 1: want to let you know, well, I have to. I

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01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: have to tell you all. This is my very first

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01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 1: podcast interview about the book, and I I am just

1489
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 1: so glad that I popped that cherry consensually with both

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01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 1: of year and I just thank you. So, I mean,

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01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:04,759
Speaker 1: it is it is scary, but it is so scary,

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01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 1: especially because you know again that passage was a perfect example.

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01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: I worry about people like taking things out of context

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01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: or deciding that they just you know, disagree with me

1495
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: and they're so mad about this and that are just

1496
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:21,719
Speaker 1: pulling something apart and making me say something I didn't say.

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01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: It's very scary, but it feels so great and like

1498
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 1: affirming to hear that you all resonated with it and

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01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: you enjoyed it and it spoke to you. And so

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01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: just thank you so much for for taking the time

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01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 1: to even read it, because many people are going to

1502
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,719
Speaker 1: benefit from it. And I think also something that people

1503
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 1: um forget is like I totally identify with you saying

1504
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 1: like it's a nerve wracking and it's scary to put

1505
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 1: this up because you're a very sensitive person. I mean

1506
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 1: you have to be to be this sensitive to all

1507
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 1: these issues, and you see, like you putting on this

1508
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: sort of brave and very public face and dealing with

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01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 1: this difficult, tough stuff, especially coming from a marginalized perspective

1510
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 1: where where you know sometimes it can feel like the

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01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 1: world is just ready to jump down your throat. And

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01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 1: so this is, you know, not this is kind of

1513
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 1: like you throw this around life lightly, but like this

1514
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 1: is a brave thing to step forward and say, here's

1515
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: my mistakes, here's my successes, and here is how you

1516
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 1: can learn from them seriously and edifying read. Okay, and

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01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 1: edifying read. That's another We're on speaking. We are going

1518
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: to move on because speaking of um, you know people

1519
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 1: who step forward bravely, we do have a Yes, I'm

1520
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: happy you're pouring the line because I'm gonna need some

1521
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: of it. Um, this is a friend of ours who's

1522
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 1: who's decided to he's elected to participate in our voice, ma'am.

1523
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 1: This is UM a voice nomber from a friend of ours.

1524
01:20:52,360 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 1: Dylan Marin and Lin maryn will be with us in

1525
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:04,719
Speaker 1: a couple of short weeks. You guys love Dylan. Dylan

1526
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 1: is a fabulous specimen, true, and I want to tell

1527
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 1: him something over the over the air, and I know, hell,

1528
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 1: listen to this episode here, you're look like a hunk

1529
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:18,600
Speaker 1: in your Ted Talk with those little pearl airrings. He

1530
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:23,799
Speaker 1: looked good the Ted Talk a speaker with a pearl airing.

1531
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 1: Ted Talk painting category is ted talk. Okay, this is

1532
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 1: a voice member from Dylan Mary and I think Dylan

1533
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 1: is doing a little his own little take on a

1534
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: popular segment on this show. Let's take a listen that, Bowen, Francesco,

1535
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 1: is your daughter, Dylan marrin hallway to the acoustics are

1536
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 1: good for I do think so, honey. So I'll begin,

1537
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 1: I do think so, honey, Matt Rogers and then you

1538
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 1: are so fucky talented, incredible. If they sold v I

1539
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 1: P courtside season tickets to the Matt Rogers Experience, I

1540
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 1: would buy them with the black m X card that

1541
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 1: I do not have. You would see me cheering you

1542
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 1: on like that Drake Gift where he's clapping in a

1543
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 1: basketball game, because you are that fucking good. Do you

1544
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 1: think so, honey? Bowen? Ye? If you had attended the

1545
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: performing arts day camp that I went to for six years,

1546
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 1: I would have been so fucking intimidated by you. I

1547
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 1: would have made up an excuse not to like you,

1548
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:41,480
Speaker 1: because I would have felt insecure next to your gifted ass.

1549
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:46,600
Speaker 1: So lucky me now, as a more confident adult, regularly

1550
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: text you to tell you how much you mean to me,

1551
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:56,520
Speaker 1: because you do and finally, I do think so, honey,

1552
01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 1: Francesca Ramsey. Already everyone already knows that you slay it

1553
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: literally everything you do. But what they don't know is

1554
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 1: that you're an amazing friend and a support system and

1555
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 1: a mentor. And deal with it, babe, because until your

1556
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 1: lawyers specifically asked me not to, I will continue to

1557
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 1: send you bad pop songs on Ironically Love because I

1558
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 1: want to share them for the person I love, which

1559
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 1: is you. So whoops, I do think so, honey, Francesca

1560
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: rams My. Oh my god. Dylan Marrin, I love him

1561
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 1: so much also because he is when he when he

1562
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:43,599
Speaker 1: becomes extremely famous, someone is going to have a field

1563
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 1: day impersonating him. I'm Dylan Marrin like he just gives

1564
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 1: you the boy. But I'm saying is he is an

1565
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 1: icon the nicest Okay, so Dylan wrote on My Pilot.

1566
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 1: And I remember one time we were trying to come

1567
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 1: up with like insults for a straight woman, and I

1568
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:08,640
Speaker 1: think I think eventually we used like a population pantry

1569
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 1: was the But everybody was going around and pitching ideas

1570
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,719
Speaker 1: for like ways to just like ship on straight women,

1571
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 1: and Dylan was like, I've got one. You woman like

1572
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 1: he couldn't do it because she's so nice. It was

1573
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 1: the funniest thing I've ever experienced because I was just like,

1574
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 1: you are the sweetest guy, and it was so funny

1575
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 1: because he was trying so hard and I was like,

1576
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 1: I love you so much. You are just like the

1577
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: most genuinely good and nice person. And to circle back

1578
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 1: to the book, I had so many times that I

1579
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 1: called Dylan crying and I was like, should I tell

1580
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: this story in the book? And Dylan was like, you're fine,

1581
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 1: You're fine, send it to me. Like I would send

1582
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 1: him stuff and I would just be like, tell me

1583
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 1: what you think of this, and he would just like

1584
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 1: be so affirming and just he is just such a

1585
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 1: good soul like that you really don't find many people.

1586
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 1: It's also not a brand, it's not up front. He's

1587
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 1: exactly the way. He's exactly the way you think he

1588
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 1: would be when you watch his videos, and he's great.

1589
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 1: He makes you want to be a better person because

1590
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 1: sometimes I want to send him like a shady text

1591
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know what, Dylan does not need

1592
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 1: this negativity. Every time I talked to him, I have

1593
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: that thought. I'm like, no, I can't. Sometimes I am

1594
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 1: a little shady like that is part of who I am.

1595
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: And it's true, like whenever, like Dylan's looking at you

1596
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: and like you don't know if he's gonna like just

1597
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 1: appened in the shade, like and he'll sometimes give you

1598
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 1: a knowing look like, girl, I understand the shade, but

1599
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever heard him you actually

1600
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:50,720
Speaker 1: actually and he revealed it. He lets it out, he

1601
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 1: lets it out, and I'm gonna I think he's okay

1602
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 1: with me with me saying this. I was on the

1603
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 1: phone with him today because I was explaining, like what

1604
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 1: you needed to send in for this pice moment, and

1605
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 1: then he was like, oh, I got it. He was like, So,

1606
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:02,839
Speaker 1: Matt and I did these interviews with people at trybeca

1607
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 1: film festival, and we interviewed Ansel l Go and Sticky Waterhouse,

1608
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 1: this some British actress. And then so Dylan was like,

1609
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, I love the interview with Ansel and

1610
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 1: who is that? Who is that actress? And I was like, oh,

1611
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 1: Stucky Waterhouse, she's great. She's she's like, you know, like

1612
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 1: one of those like posh British actresses, actress models. And

1613
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:22,680
Speaker 1: then Dylan goes, oh, yeah, you know, I probably like

1614
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 1: wait out on like the millionth iteration of her back

1615
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 1: at my restaurant. And I was like, Dylan, and then

1616
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 1: I didn't even know. I didn't I didn't even like

1617
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 1: call that out or anything. I didn't even react to that.

1618
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 1: He he pulled himself back and was like, wait, now

1619
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: that's you know what. That's too mean to take that back.

1620
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 1: And it was like, Dylan, it's out there now, and

1621
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 1: you said something correct and everyone knows. That felt like

1622
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 1: the most innocuous thing. I was like, where is the

1623
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 1: shape where he's such a sweetheart, such a sweetheart, and

1624
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:57,040
Speaker 1: he's going to be on our show, you guys, to

1625
01:26:57,080 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 1: promote his ted talk. We're gonna talk to him. I'm

1626
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 1: in just a short couple of weeks or a couple

1627
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: of weeks boiler alert. I mean it's online, but he

1628
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 1: gets an immediate standing out. Really yeah, have you seen it?

1629
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:11,759
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it? Good it's so good. Um, But anyway,

1630
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it, all right,

1631
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 1: So is it time? It's time? It's time for I

1632
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. And we're gonna get you on

1633
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 1: a live show, one of these things time every time

1634
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:28,639
Speaker 1: I have something, I'm not here. You're busy, She's busy.

1635
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 1: But the thing is guys, Um, just quick little plug

1636
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 1: before we continue. Are you coming to see us at

1637
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 1: Vulture Fest on May nineteenth, Saturday, May Nineteenth's just in

1638
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 1: a few short days at age thirty. Are you coming

1639
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 1: to see us in Los Angeles at Eco Plex on

1640
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 1: June twelve? Are you coming to these events? Are you

1641
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 1: coming to see us at Cluster Fes on Saturday, January two,

1642
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:52,760
Speaker 1: Comedy Centrals cluster Fest. We're gonna be at four pm. Well,

1643
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 1: if you're not going to go to go to any

1644
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 1: of those things, at least come to another. Two events

1645
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,719
Speaker 1: that we're doing at Vulture Festival or Hounding the RuPaul's,

1646
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 1: Raggy's panel, and we're moderating the Wendy Williams which is

1647
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 1: going to be very interesting because like Wendy, I'm like,

1648
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 1: oh my god, I really want to do her show.

1649
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 1: I want to do her show so badly. She'll say,

1650
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 1: how are you doing, Wendy, Like and I want to.

1651
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 1: I have to think about and I'm just like letting

1652
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 1: this all out and airing this out publicly, like on

1653
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 1: the record, Like she is someone who everyone I feel

1654
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 1: like goes back and forth on, but she's just so good.

1655
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 1: She's good, she's great. When she's good, she's great, And

1656
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 1: when she's problematic, she's problematic a f which is like

1657
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 1: why I would love to do her show, because I

1658
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,879
Speaker 1: like I can tell her about herself, but about myself,

1659
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like, I feel like

1660
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 1: we can have a very receptive to you. I feel

1661
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 1: like we could have a great shady conversation, but also

1662
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 1: just like a self reflective YEA. Well, she is I

1663
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 1: think open to a good deal of shade because she

1664
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,680
Speaker 1: dishes it out and she knows how to take it.

1665
01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,560
Speaker 1: And also I mean I think she knows how to

1666
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 1: take it only when a guest comes on her show

1667
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 1: and is Comarosa level Messi or Befani messy. You have

1668
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 1: to be open to like you can dish it and

1669
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,520
Speaker 1: take it. And I think that that's what she respects.

1670
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that is major. Y'all are

1671
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 1: booked and Fussy comes us share the stage with this.

1672
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 1: We will Monny Williams and the Drag Race Queens and

1673
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 1: it's going to be very fun and also our own

1674
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:28,719
Speaker 1: show at Vulture, Fast, Cluster Fast, and uh, let's see

1675
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,879
Speaker 1: June twelve, l A and then June nine at the Bellhouse,

1676
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 1: you guys, is gonna be so I'm comfortable going first.

1677
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 1: You can go first. This is Matt Rodgers, and I hope,

1678
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 1: I hope that you're okay with me doing this. Oh

1679
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 1: my god, Well that's a terrible disclaimer. This is Matt Rodgers.

1680
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 1: Is I don't think so many as times starts now.

1681
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, that it has taken us

1682
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:56,320
Speaker 1: this long to quote unquote officially cancel R Kelly. Let

1683
01:29:56,360 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 1: me tell you something canceled when he i to marry

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01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 1: a thirteen year old Let me repeat thirteen year old. Yeah.

1685
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 1: In the words of my co host Bowen Yang, coats

1686
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:13,640
Speaker 1: are so ninety eight, babe. Ain't nothing wrong with a

1687
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:16,799
Speaker 1: little bit of bumping grind, but there is definitely wrong

1688
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 1: with imprisoning women. You are starting a sex cult. Bitch. Look,

1689
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but there is an article out right now

1690
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 1: which is detailing forty three celebrities that have worked with R. Kelly,

1691
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 1: and every every single picture it says the representative declined

1692
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 1: to comment. Here's what you say. My client denounces are

1693
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 1: Kelly is done. Take the key out of the ignition. Honey,

1694
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can top that. Is well,

1695
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 1: I did use two jokes that Bowen Yang has said before,

1696
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 1: but I did I have the bibliography. I was like,

1697
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 1: I don't see nothing wrong with quoting than that was

1698
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 1: also an arc, absolutely, and we're allowed to quote, but

1699
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:16,080
Speaker 1: we're not using against And here's the thing, guys, No,

1700
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 1: it's over. And why does Chris Brown have a grand

1701
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:25,759
Speaker 1: after hitting Rihanna, not even hitting beating up almost killing you? Really,

1702
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 1: you really have to get it together with these people.

1703
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 1: If they've done something dangerous, they're done. Guys, they're done.

1704
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:36,640
Speaker 1: There's no discussion. There is a nostalgia element that you

1705
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:39,600
Speaker 1: can keep to your goddamn self, but it's not. But

1706
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 1: they're done. Like I want, every last culture is a

1707
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 1: listening to the r. Kelly is officially done and we're

1708
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:48,160
Speaker 1: not We're not going to continue this conversation for sixteen

1709
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:53,439
Speaker 1: more years. Thank you. There you go. I mean mine

1710
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 1: is not going to be as like fire as that,

1711
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 1: but let's let's go. This is gonna yourself short, I

1712
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:01,200
Speaker 1: thank you. This is I mean, I'm just saying this

1713
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 1: is gonna be much more frivolous and silly. It's okay, okay, okay,

1714
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:07,639
Speaker 1: all of them we need, okay, perfect and bowen yanks.

1715
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:11,160
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. On this episode begins now,

1716
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Theatrical spaces that are not

1717
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 1: in the round, honey. We went to once on this

1718
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:22,680
Speaker 1: Island on Broadway, a circle of the square theater and

1719
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 1: not a bad seed in the house, because you know

1720
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 1: why it was in the round. Everyone enjoys that no

1721
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: one gets a bad beew. We were in the Last

1722
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 1: Road and the nose bleeds, and I loved Hayley Kilgore

1723
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 1: belding out those notes. Tony nomination, Tony Kilgore. Um, oh

1724
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:43,759
Speaker 1: my god. If you're just looks to the normal layout

1725
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: of theatrical spaces, we're not Rome anymore. Bits, okay, we are.

1726
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 1: We are in the new the new age of theater.

1727
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 1: Circle on the square knows what they're doing. I want

1728
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:58,880
Speaker 1: everything in the round. Second for good immersive experiences too.

1729
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:01,840
Speaker 1: We had Lias Alonga running up and down those mention

1730
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 1: her mention her last a longa iconic and the other

1731
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 1: one oh and um, oh my god, who, who, oh

1732
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:12,640
Speaker 1: my god, amazing. I I was not forgetting her. I

1733
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:14,639
Speaker 1: was not being willfully up to and forgetting. And that's

1734
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 1: that's I have not heard. And I tweeted at her

1735
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 1: and she faved and faved, and she retweeted and made

1736
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 1: it a little comment herself. She said, what a blessing.

1737
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:29,599
Speaker 1: Thank you for the continued support. What a blessing. And

1738
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 1: I said, Tomira Gray is a sligh and Once on

1739
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 1: this Island. She plays the concept of death. She is

1740
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:40,640
Speaker 1: so talented and I'm crazy. I'm happy to hear this.

1741
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:42,840
Speaker 1: You should you should go see Once. On the side

1742
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,320
Speaker 1: of that, I remember seeing that show in high school,

1743
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 1: I at a local school and being blown it was

1744
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:51,600
Speaker 1: not in the round. But I'm excited to see you

1745
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:54,600
Speaker 1: are right about this because the in the round experience,

1746
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 1: there is not a bad scene in the house. And

1747
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 1: also the freedom that the actors have to be able

1748
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:02,560
Speaker 1: to act in a Yeah, exactly, because you got to

1749
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:06,679
Speaker 1: act with your back. You got to act with your back.

1750
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 1: That's the whole different side. This girl that plays the lead,

1751
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 1: Haley Kilgore, she's a slick phenomenal And Leah Salanga should

1752
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,639
Speaker 1: be named Queen to my regrets, should be named Queen.

1753
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:21,560
Speaker 1: We did not see Alex Newell, but her is incredible

1754
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 1: and the understudy was fabulous. We also didn't see Norman Lewis,

1755
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:26,919
Speaker 1: who I guess is in it a lot. But but

1756
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 1: the cast was very good. And put it on your list,

1757
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 1: you must. It just scored many Tony nominations and it

1758
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 1: doesn't have an end date. They're trying to keep it

1759
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 1: open as long as possible. Okay, Francesca, ready, are you ready?

1760
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:44,599
Speaker 1: This is Francesco Ramsey's I don't think so, honey. Her

1761
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:50,440
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Playing devil's advocate,

1762
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 1: the devil needs you to advocate for him. I don't

1763
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:59,679
Speaker 1: think so, honey. The devil is busy all the goddamn time.

1764
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:01,960
Speaker 1: You don't need you to help. Why don't you just

1765
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:04,599
Speaker 1: put it out there that you think those bigger ass

1766
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:07,280
Speaker 1: opinions you ain't standing up for the devil. I don't

1767
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:10,559
Speaker 1: need that to hear. You have your opinions about like

1768
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 1: the gays, about racism, about privilege, like no a bit.

1769
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 1: Say what you say and feel what you feel. Okay,

1770
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 1: you like the devil. He knows, he's dressed, he's fresh,

1771
01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:27,800
Speaker 1: he's he comes. He doesn't need you to work for

1772
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 1: him or speak on his we hand. Don't even slide

1773
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:33,720
Speaker 1: up in my d M or in my comments or

1774
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:37,720
Speaker 1: in my emails, and definitely do not disrupt my Thanksgiving

1775
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 1: dinner with your devil. Dadvocate asked, you can keep it.

1776
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 1: I do not think so, hunt me. What a nothing

1777
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 1: embellishment to anything at all? Why do you say that,

1778
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 1: say that you actually think that shitty thing. Yes, it's

1779
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 1: like a get out of jail free card, but but

1780
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:01,920
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not. And also this is just funny

1781
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 1: because on our live show Mitro drew Hai and now

1782
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:06,679
Speaker 1: over a year ago, did I don't think so, hony

1783
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 1: Devil's advocate and she was like, she was like, it's

1784
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:14,040
Speaker 1: the devil. Why would you advocate for him? You know what,

1785
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 1: somebody needs to think about him. Yes, and this is

1786
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:19,920
Speaker 1: actually you guys won't ever get to hear this. But

1787
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 1: the last one you did, which we love, it was

1788
01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 1: too hot for air or our computers because the whole

1789
01:36:26,120 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 1: thing messing down. But you said I don't think so, honey.

1790
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 1: People saying can I pick your brain? Can listen if

1791
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:34,679
Speaker 1: you email me and say can I pick your brain?

1792
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 1: Like I automatically do not want to read the rest

1793
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:42,000
Speaker 1: of your email if you want to pick Francesco Ramsey's brain,

1794
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:47,760
Speaker 1: pick up the book. Well, that escalated quickly. I'm here,

1795
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,479
Speaker 1: got the promo and I want to say one more time,

1796
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:53,080
Speaker 1: I love this book so that this is a really

1797
01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:56,439
Speaker 1: good and it's it's funny, it's entertaining, it's relatable, and

1798
01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 1: you will learn a lot. Especially at the end there

1799
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 1: is um Francesca's simple explanation of not so simple concepts,

1800
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 1: and um, it's really great. It's just a really maybe

1801
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 1: And honestly, even if you consider yourself like a quote

1802
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:13,680
Speaker 1: unquote woke person, I guarantee there's something in here that

1803
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:16,000
Speaker 1: you'll learn and be able to take away. And I

1804
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:18,639
Speaker 1: love it. I think it's going to be a huge success.

1805
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I'm this was a great like

1806
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:26,479
Speaker 1: way to kind of full circle moment from that lost

1807
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 1: lost up to now. And you'll never know the specifics

1808
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:33,599
Speaker 1: of what what what went down with Taragi behind the scenes,

1809
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:37,679
Speaker 1: but just the Tarai is amazing. Yes, oh my god,

1810
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:44,000
Speaker 1: life change. Thank you, Thank you for having me. Congratulations.

1811
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to see all of the cool stuff

1812
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:49,639
Speaker 1: you all are working on. I always feel very special

1813
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 1: when I see other people tweeting about you or sharing

1814
01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 1: some about you. I'm like, I know them. Those are

1815
01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 1: my boys. Um so yeah, I just keep slaying and

1816
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 1: thank you for letting me be part of your glow up.

1817
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:05,200
Speaker 1: You're doing, you're doing. And also we got to say

1818
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:08,439
Speaker 1: the picture on the book is looking very fresh. I

1819
01:38:08,479 --> 01:38:11,479
Speaker 1: also love this yellow top. Thank you yellow. You need

1820
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 1: a pop of color. Thank you, thank you. Okay, we

1821
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:15,880
Speaker 1: gotta we always close it the song I think I

1822
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:19,479
Speaker 1: have one? What's the song? Baby? Sitting up my room?

1823
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:25,680
Speaker 1: Thing about you? I must cool? Best im? That's what

1824
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 1: you say? Nothing my room, think about Yeah, I love somebody.

1825
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:36,599
Speaker 1: It's so must nice you cry? Have you ever honey?

1826
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:44,360
Speaker 1: And it's or something? Have you ever tried to do? Coming? All? Right?

1827
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 1: Boy is my up? I'm HadAM about in it? Dissy,

1828
01:38:54,760 --> 01:39:03,120
Speaker 1: the boy is mine? Bye, Forever Do. This has been

1829
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:07,639
Speaker 1: a Forever Dog production executive produced by Brett Bahum, Joe Silio,

1830
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 1: and Alex Ramsey. For more original podcasts, please visit Forever

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01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:23,559
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