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Speaker 1: If it is true that the administration asked her not

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Speaker 1: to go and she decided to go anyway, and West military,

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Speaker 1: I do tend to believe that, just because when is

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Speaker 1: the last time you saw that even the military and

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Speaker 1: people in that being like, yeah, this is not so

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Speaker 1: good of an idea that Intel community and others coming

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Speaker 1: out and leaking. Just exactly give me the context of

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Speaker 1: she is in a very precarious domestic situation right now,

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Speaker 1: you know, going specifically at this moment, and it's not

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Speaker 1: just you and I who are saying this many, you know,

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Speaker 1: even mainstream people like Thomas Friedman has a column out

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Speaker 1: today in the New York Times saying that this is

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Speaker 1: a disastrous move, citing exactly this reason. Ukraine is already unstable.

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Speaker 1: We're already embroiled in this war over there. Also, if

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Speaker 1: you think the Europeans are going to step up when

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Speaker 1: they can barely defend their own backyard in order to

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Speaker 1: back off our policy in Taiwan, you're smoking something. They

447
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Speaker 1: don't even have enough money in order to send to Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: on top of the economic damage that they've already suffered

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Speaker 1: as a result of sanctions policy. The domestic timing for

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Speaker 1: she is also really important that that we we're pointing to,

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Speaker 1: because even people who I really disagree with on a

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Speaker 1: lot of China policy are more hawkish than I am.

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Speaker 1: I've seen are like I'm okay with this visit, but

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Speaker 1: not now, Like this is like the worst possible time

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Speaker 1: that you could be doing this, not only because we're

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Speaker 1: embroiled in Ukraine and this proxy war with Russia, but

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Speaker 1: also because of the domestic political considerations Forji and you know,

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Speaker 1: as potentially hawkish as he is and sort of aggressive

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Speaker 1: as he is there are other people in the party

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Speaker 1: who would like him to go a lot further, a lot,

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Speaker 1: so this is a great out for him as well,

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Speaker 1: as you point to, there are so many domestic issues

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Speaker 1: right now that he's having to deal with. This gave

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Speaker 1: gives him a great sort of rally around the flag

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Speaker 1: distraction to distract from some of those families on COVID,

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Speaker 1: on the crashing housing market and inflation and the other

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Speaker 1: economic troubles that China is facing right now. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: so let's go and move on to the Chinese piece.

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Speaker 1: As we've alluded to some significant rhetoric coming out of

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Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party. Is it real. We're not going

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Speaker 1: to find out until she lands and possi in the

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Speaker 1: weeks or months afterwards. But this is a direct tweet

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Speaker 1: from the US ambassador or for the Chinese ambassador to

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Speaker 1: the United States, Quing Gong. Let's gohead and put this

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Speaker 1: up there on the screen. Here's what he tweets. This

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Speaker 1: is the People's Liberation Army, the guardian of the Chinese

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Speaker 1: people for ninety five years, who will not sit idly

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Speaker 1: by when it comes to safeguarding national sovereignty and territorial integrity.

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Speaker 1: Let's put the next one up here. This is from

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Speaker 1: a Global Times commentator. This matters Global Times for those

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Speaker 1: who don't know, is almost like the most right wing

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Speaker 1: pro military pro CCP English arm It's a way of

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Speaker 1: viewing what the most hawkish people in China are saying,

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Speaker 1: and what they're thinking is directly sanctioned by the Chinese

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Speaker 1: Communist Party. Here's what he says. Quote, let her go

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Speaker 1: to Taiwan, but pray before departure, wish herself a safe journey,

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Speaker 1: and wish herself not to be defined by history as

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Speaker 1: a sinner who starts a spiral of escalation process expanding

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Speaker 1: military frictions to a large scale war in the Taiwan Strait,

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Speaker 1: so specifically making a threat there on the Taiwan Strait.

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Speaker 1: I think some contact here is also necessary for people

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Speaker 1: to understand. There have been three Taiwan straight crises. The

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Speaker 1: first two were in the nineteen fifties. This was regarding

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Speaker 1: the independence of Taiwan the so called Republic of China

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Speaker 1: at a time when there was frozen relations between the

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Speaker 1: US and the People's Republic of China. Well, we almost

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Speaker 1: came to a nuclear confrontation in nineteen fifty eight over

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Speaker 1: the second Taiwan Straight Crisis, when there was shelling and

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Speaker 1: disputes over a specific island. Many people in the Eisenhower

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Speaker 1: administration actually said, that's one of the closest that we

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Speaker 1: ever came to the reuse of nuclear weapons after the

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Speaker 1: Korean War. The third one happened in the nineteen nineties

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Speaker 1: and happened right ahead of Taiwan's first free election where

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Speaker 1: they really embraced democracy and they democratically elected a president.

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Speaker 1: So that was whenever missiles were fired into the Taiwan

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Speaker 1: Strait after actually kind of a similar fracas in US policies.

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Speaker 1: So what happened is is that at the time, the

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Speaker 1: Taiwani's president had attended Cornell Law School. He was coming

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Speaker 1: to the US in order to give speech to Cornell.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, he landed in Honolulu, and at the time,

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Speaker 1: the Clinton administration did not want to give him a visa,

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Speaker 1: so they made him actually sleep on the plane because

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Speaker 1: they knew it was going to it was going to

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Speaker 1: ignite a major global conflagration. Possibly. Well, then what happened

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Speaker 1: is that US Congress stepped in and said, no, we're

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Speaker 1: going to give him a visa. They compelled a resolution.

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Speaker 1: The State Department also issued him with visa. The Room

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Speaker 1: led Congress of this. Yeah, but it was a unanimous vote,

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Speaker 1: so it's not like anybody descended. So anyway, this was

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Speaker 1: in the nineties well, as a result of that change

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Speaker 1: in the flip and policy, that is ultimately what led,

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Speaker 1: in addition to the new election in Taiwan, to the

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Speaker 1: shelling and the missiles that were fired directly into Taiwan straight.

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Speaker 1: That's the last major Taiwan crisis that we've had. I

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Speaker 1: would be remiss if I didn't point out the People's

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Speaker 1: Liberation Army is significantly more powerful today than it was

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety four. China in general is significantly more powerful.

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Speaker 1: But this is why some of the comparisons drive me crazy,

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Speaker 1: which is that nineteen ninety seven, the last time Speaker

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Speaker 1: Gingrich went over there. It resulted actually in the most

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Speaker 1: major display of US force post Vietnam. We've put a

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Speaker 1: carrier through the Taiwan straight all this US military that

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Speaker 1: was the unipolar moment. We were the single most powerful

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Speaker 1: military entity on the globe. And it was also before Iraq,

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Speaker 1: before Afghanistan, and it was also before the PLA had

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Speaker 1: I mean, their capabilities from today to the nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: seven is like comparing the US military of today to

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Speaker 1: like pre World War One. It really is that drastic

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Speaker 1: in terms of their capabilities, their fifth generation fighters, their

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Speaker 1: ability to wage war, naval power, and more. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that they're equivalent, but they're significantly more powerful and

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Speaker 1: have a lot more economic power also and leverage over

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Speaker 1: the United States. So that is why the rhetoric and

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Speaker 1: all of that is a lot hotter. Right now, Let's

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Speaker 1: throw this next one up there on the screen from Politico,

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Speaker 1: which is that leaving for Asia amid these Chinese threats

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Speaker 1: over the Taiwan stop. And this actually gets into a

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Speaker 1: little bit more of the reporting we were talking about again, Chris,

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Speaker 1: I know that you're skeptical, but I genuinely do believe

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Speaker 1: that she is such an egotist that she does disregard

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Speaker 1: the warnings from the US intelligence community, from the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration and others. And the reason why I think this

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Speaker 1: stuff matters is that, look, Nancy Pelosi, at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, does not have to deal with the

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Speaker 1: actual consequences of her visit. If the consequences of her

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Speaker 1: visit are going to fall on the President who is

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Speaker 1: in charge of foreign affairs and the US military, and

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Speaker 1: those people are very clear. They're like, we do not

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Speaker 1: want you to go for many of the reasons that

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Speaker 1: we laid out in our first block. But at this

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Speaker 1: point the trip is happening, and it is one of

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Speaker 1: those things where the fallout from it it could range

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Speaker 1: from this is just China talking. That's one way of

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Speaker 1: reading it, which is they have to say face domestically,

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Speaker 1: ramp up the rhetoric. Maybe they will do something or

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Speaker 1: the other. But the scarier is some of the options

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Speaker 1: laid out by the White House. Listen specifically here to

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Speaker 1: John Kirby about how a fourth Taiwan Straight crist this

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Speaker 1: might play out. And again this is being acknowledged from

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Speaker 1: the White House podium. Let's take a listen. Over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: even before Speaker Pelosi arrived in the region, China conducted

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Speaker 1: a live fire exercise. China appears to be positioning itself

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Speaker 1: to potentially take further steps in the coming days and

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Speaker 1: perhaps over longer time horizons. These potential steps from China

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Speaker 1: could include military provocations such as firing missiles in the

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Speaker 1: Taiwan Straight or around Taiwan operations that break historical norms,

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Speaker 1: such as large scale air entry into Taiwan's Air defense

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Speaker 1: Identification Zone ages. I think you all know that acronym

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Speaker 1: air or naval activities that cross the Median line, and

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Speaker 1: military exercises that could be highly publicized. So he's talking

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Speaker 1: specifically about military exercises being highly publicized, about missiles being fired.

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Speaker 1: Any missile that gets fired into the Taiwan Strait is

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Speaker 1: a fourth Taiwan crisis. Taiwan straight crisis, is no way

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Speaker 1: around it, and that would almost certainly precipitate some US action.

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Speaker 1: And even if it's not us, Remember we're not the

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Speaker 1: only ones who live are in Asia. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: Japanese defense forces are very high alert. The Singaporeans are

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Speaker 1: very worried about what's happening right now, the South Koreans

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Speaker 1: as well. There. If you think you know, WEP have hawks,

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Speaker 1: you should go and listen to some Japanese rhetoric in Japan.

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Speaker 1: You know, specifically in this moment postionso ab Abbe himself

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Speaker 1: was somebody who was very pro Taiwan and also very

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Speaker 1: anti China, pro building up the forces. So it is

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Speaker 1: a precarious situation in Asia, which is precipitated by Pelosi

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Speaker 1: wanting to go over there lacking any strategy, and we

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Speaker 1: just have to look at US policy. It's not in

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Speaker 1: a vacuum. It's not just about like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: people were heads of democracies visit each other. It's like,

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Speaker 1: why right now, why did you decide to do this?

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Speaker 1: Why are you casting aside advice of the commander in

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Speaker 1: chief and of the US military. Do you have a strategy,

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Speaker 1: because last time I checked, you're not the person has

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Speaker 1: to deal with the actual fallout from all of this.

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Speaker 1: And reportedly, in a direct phone call between Biden and

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Speaker 1: g Yes, she said to Biden, those who play with

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Speaker 1: fire get burned. So it's not just you know, an

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Speaker 1: editorial in this paper or state media commentary or whatever.

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Speaker 1: The warnings in the threats are coming directly from the

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Speaker 1: top in terms of, you know, whether it's Pelosi's vanity

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Speaker 1: or whether she you know, has sort of tacit endorsement

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Speaker 1: from the Biden administration even as they publicly protest. I

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Speaker 1: do think it's noteworthy that Biden himself did not call her.

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Speaker 1: If this is really critical to you, and you you know,

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Speaker 1: really think it's important that she not go, and that

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Speaker 1: this is precipitating a potential crisis as it is, and

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Speaker 1: it's brinksmanship and provocation, and it flies in the face

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Speaker 1: of what your actual policy is. If she's not listening

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Speaker 1: to Jake Sullivan and the military or whoever else is

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Speaker 1: calling her, you got to get on the phone with

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Speaker 1: her as president of the United States. And so the

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Speaker 1: fact that he is unwe willing, and the reason why

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Speaker 1: is politics, because he doesn't want the Republicans to have

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Speaker 1: this talking point of everything's done sort to avoid a

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Speaker 1: freaking talking point that he doesn't want them to have

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Speaker 1: a talking point of Biden being directly rebuffed by Pelosi

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Speaker 1: as if that's not already what's happening here. So if

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Speaker 1: you don't want her to go, get your hands dirty

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Speaker 1: and get in there. You're supposed to be the great

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Speaker 1: negotiator with all these incredible relationships who can get things

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Speaker 1: done and try to directly persuade her not to do this.

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Speaker 1: He didn't do that. So again I look at that

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Speaker 1: and say, you know, I don't blame that, whether they're

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Speaker 1: correct or not. I don't blame the Chinese for looking

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Speaker 1: at this state of affairs and saying you're not mad

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Speaker 1: that she's going, you're good with this, because this is

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Speaker 1: consistent with some of the other rhetoric that has come

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Speaker 1: directly from the President of the United States. So, as

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Speaker 1: I said before, you know, with regards to the US

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Speaker 1: and our policy, it does matter whether this was coming

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Speaker 1: from the President or whether it's Pelosi just totally freelancing

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Speaker 1: and totally rebuffing the leader of our party in the

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Speaker 1: present of the United States and freelancing and foreign affairs.

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Speaker 1: But you know, for the Chinese looking at this, it

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Speaker 1: really doesn't matter that much because their perception is that

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Speaker 1: this is the new policy of the United States and

646
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Speaker 1: that it is an intentional provocation, and they have their

647
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: own domestic politics to look after, and they are not

648
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: going to want to look weak in this situation. It's

649
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: just it is so foolish, just in general, but especially

650
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Speaker 1: especially in this moment. I just cannot wrap my head

651
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: around it at all. Yeah, and right now, the People's

652
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: Liberation Army again escalating their rhetoric. They posted a message

653
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: that said quote get ready for war on the official

654
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 1: account of the eightieth Army of the PLA on Weibo,

655
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: which is the largest social network in China. So look

656
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: We've also seen reports that they're you know, canceling flights

657
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: in certain areas because that would lead may make way

658
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: for the possible deployment of military aircraft. There were one wrecks.

659
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: I mean there was a direct comment from a Chinese

660
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: state media commentator threatening Pelosi is playing directly. Now do

661
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: I think that will actually that they would actually be

662
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: crazy enough to do that? No, but you are playing

663
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: with fire. The point is is that take it seriously,

664
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: and you know, we can say, oh, they're just talking.

665
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: You know this, this and that this is an authoritarian regime.

666
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: Nothing gets posted without approval. Everything that is public is

667
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: within the bounds of accepted conversation. By Shishingping in the

668
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party, they are extraordinarily neurotic around their messaging.

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00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: In terms of policy, I also think people should remember this.

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00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: Our Taiwan policy is governed by the Taiwan Relations Act,

671
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: I think of nineteen ninety five, which effectively declares like,

672
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: we will have quasi diplomatic relations with China, but we

673
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: have a one China policy, recognize the People's Republic of China.

674
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: The problem on the Chinese side and on the Taiwan

675
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: East side is really radical departures from a lot of this.

676
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: So in twenty nineteen, Shishing Ping propose a one country,

677
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: two systems policy, where he effectively said, hey, Taiwan reunification

678
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: is inevitable, there is no choice. Thus you should enter

679
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: the fray of the People's Republic of China like Hong Kong.

680
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: Not that it worked out for Hong Kong. You can

681
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: have one country, two systems. You can continue to be

682
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: a democracy, but at the end of the day, the

683
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: major political entity will be the CCP. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: the current president of Taiwan is pretty outwardly pro Taiwan's independence,

685
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: saying our country is democratically elected. We are a republic

686
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Speaker 1: in our own right. We do not recognize one country,

687
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: two systems, and we want to be our own country. Again,

688
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: they are a democracy. It's certainly true, and I don't

689
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: think it is deniable that the Taiwanese people themselves do

690
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: not want to be a part of China. So the

691
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: problem is that Chi Shengping believes at its core, not

692
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: just him, but the entire CCP in the reunification of Taiwan.

693
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Speaker 1: They look at it as a massive soar leftover from

694
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, the nineteen forty five nineteen forty nine Civil War,

695
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: and have always looked at it as a diplomatic thumb

696
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: in the face on behalf of the US. As to

697
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: who cares about it more, I mean, there's no question

698
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: that the Chinese care about it a lot more. So

699
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: then the question is, well, what is the reunification timeline

700
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: and current reporting again reporting, it is very difficult to

701
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: know whether any of this is true. Intel community. They

702
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: got it right on Ukraine. They also got it a

703
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: lot wrong in some tars of Ukraine, so you take

704
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: it for what it will. They say that Chi shinping

705
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: has moved up his timeline for reunification of Taiwan to

706
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: possibly within the next eighteen months, specifically in order to

707
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: coincide not only with the one hundredth year anniversary of

708
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: the CCP's rule over China or the CCP's founding I

709
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: believe over China, but also in order to coincide with

710
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 1: his third term. So keep in mind what the domestic

711
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: political situation is in China and why that may matter.

712
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: So you know, they're also there was a lot of

713
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: talk here about we have to defend Ukraine so we

714
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: can show that. So because then the Chinese won't invade Taiwan,

715
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: and if they do, yeah, it's be real good that

716
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: we wasted forty billion dollars work how to them possition,

717
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see how do how well do that

718
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: position as Yeah, And I think the last thing to

719
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: point out here is that you know, with Russia and

720
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: the economic sanctions that the WE and the Europeans all

721
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: levied against them, the really all out economic warfare that

722
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: we declared on Russia, ultimately we don't get on much

723
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: stuff from Russia. So while it has been a disaster

724
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: in terms of global food prices, we're going to talk

725
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: about that more. I mean, the hunger crisis around the

726
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: world that has been that predated the Russia, Russia's war

727
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: in Ukraine, but has been exacerbated by it is just

728
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: it is gut wrenchingly horrific situation. But in terms of

729
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 1: the US domestic situation, are economic entanglements with Russia are

730
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: obviously nothing compared to our economic entanglements and really dependence

731
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: on China, not just China, but Taiwan. Semiconductor makes ninety

732
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: two percent of the world's most manufact ninety two percent.

733
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Speaker 1: Like I said, that's surely would fold the US economy overnight,

734
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: and we are just beginning to scratch the surface of

735
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: thinking about reshoring some of those capability. And it takes

736
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: ten years. I mean is it is going to take

737
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: a long time, and it will take consistent political will

738
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: of a type that we have never seen in terms

739
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: of economic industrial policy and getting both parties on board

740
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: and all of those things. So, yeah, it is an

741
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: utter catastrophe, totally unnecessary, potential crisis provocation at the worst

742
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 1: possible moment. We'll see how it works out. So let's

743
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: talk about Ukraine. Speaking of great news, Well, this is

744
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: somewhat interesting. Let's go ahead and put this up there

745
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: on the screen. Ukraine's first grain shipment actually departed for

746
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: the first time since the Russian invasion. There's been mines

747
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: and blockades in the Black Sea, also some parts on

748
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: the Ukrainians, which was causing absolute havoc in wheat markets

749
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: across the globe, leading to warnings of a global famine

750
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: and of food crisis. This was specifically in Africa, where

751
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: a large portion of this grain ultimately was heading towards. However,

752
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: people are still saying that just the four to six

753
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: month disruption already in the wheat market is going to

754
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: cause havoc in twenty twenty two alone, and that this

755
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: of anything, this will help the situation in twenty twenty three. Regardless,

756
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: it is good for the Ukrainian economy that this began

757
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: to flow, because the Ukrainian economy has contracted by almost

758
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: a third of their GDP since the Russian invasion. Grain

759
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: is one of the most significant exports from Ukraine, like

760
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Speaker 1: I've said, is known previously as the bread basket of

761
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union. Part of the reason why I was

762
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: so strategically important to them and was defended very heavily

763
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: and fought over actually with the Nazis back in the

764
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: nineteen forties. Now farming currently farming before the war was

765
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: forty percent of Ukrainian export and employed fourteen percent of

766
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: that population. We've seen previously Russian specific targeting of grain

767
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: infrastructure around Ukraine, also within the Port of Odessa, as

768
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: we saw the immediate you know, kind of shelling of

769
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 1: that area after signing this agreement. But they did let

770
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: this ultimately go through. I'm not sure what it means diplomatically.

771
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: I wouldn't view it as a sign that things are

772
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: moving necessarily in a better direction. If anything, it just

773
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: kind of shows you we're in this frozen war of attrition. Yes,

774
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: there's some movement. However, there's a counter attack which we're

775
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: about to get to, which is being planned by the Ukrainians,

776
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: but doesn't seem it seems to be working slightly but

777
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: not all that well. Russian ground has been gained, the

778
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: Dunboss region is almost being completely evacuated by the Ukrainians,

779
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: and it just looks like this is going to go

780
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: on for years to come. And so this isn't an

781
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: opening to any larger diplomatic agreement, But that doesn't mean

782
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: that it's not a good thing. It could be a

783
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: precursor perhaps in the future to saying, Okay, let's hammer

784
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: this thing out and you can exist and we'll have

785
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: our territory over here. But I think still think we're

786
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: a very very long way awaiting, orry far away from that. Yeah,

787
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Speaker 1: I mean, that would be the hope. I don't know

788
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: if it's a justified hope, but that would be the

789
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: hope that at least being able to hammer out this

790
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: deal and have it be respected by both sides and

791
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 1: move forward and actually have a grain shipment go out,

792
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: that that's the very early phases of restarting the diplomatic

793
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: talks that frankly, you know, the West was opposed to

794
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: when they were happening before, and that Boris Johnson in

795
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: particular went and made sure they ultimately were blown up

796
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: and didn't move forward. Not that the Russians have really

797
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 1: created any opportunities or any olive branches here to bring

798
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: the Ukrainians back to the table. In terms of the

799
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: hunger crisis, which is, you know, the worst that it

800
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: has been in quite a long time. As many as

801
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: eight hundred and twenty eight million people that's one tenth

802
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: of the world population was undernourished last year. That is

803
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: according to the Food and Agricultural Organization, that is the

804
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: highest figure in decades. So the problem in terms of

805
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 1: you know, these grain shipments really easing the crisis. First

806
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: of all, this is just grain that goes on the

807
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: world market, so it might help to start to bring

808
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: prices down and make grain and food stuffs more affordable

809
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: and accessible for poor nations in particular, But there are

810
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: so many other factors undergirding this crisis than just the

811
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: war that analysts are saying this is really unfortunately a

812
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: drop in the bucket. You have climate crises that have

813
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: particularly struck droughts have struck the Horn of Africa, that

814
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: have created a massive refugee crisis. You have, of course

815
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: political instability which has exacerbated all of that. And then

816
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: you add on top of that COVID which crushed a

817
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: lot of people's incomes and crushed the economies of everywhere

818
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: around the world, but of course poor developing nations were

819
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: the hardest hit. So the reporting out of these regions,

820
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: the kids who are literally starving to death for one

821
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: of one hundred dollars of high nutrition, course, it's absolutely

822
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: horrific in heartbreaking, and it also does remind me that

823
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: while our nation has been so focused on Ukraine, which

824
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: I understand the Ukrainian cause is incredibly just in the

825
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 1: suffering of those people is incredibly important and significant something

826
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: we should care a lot about, there are a lot

827
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: of other regions of the country of the world that

828
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: are really suffering. So as one example, as of Monday,

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00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: a UN appeal for two point two billion in humanitarian

830
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: aid for Ukraine has been ninety three percent filled, but

831
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: similarly large appeals for countries like Sudan, Afghanistan, where we

832
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: are denying the Taliban regime and the Afghan people their

833
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: own money, and the Democratic Republic of Congo received only

834
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: twenty one to forty five percent of requested funds. And

835
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: I fully blame the media for that state of affairs

836
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: because it all depends on you know, where they decide

837
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: to go and which heartwarming stories they decide to show,

838
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: whose humanity they choose to ultimately put on display. And

839
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: so you know, the American people, and I think the

840
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: global population. A lot of people have rallied to the

841
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: Ukrainian cause, and that's a beautiful thing, but it's you

842
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: know a lot of crises that go unnoticed and a

843
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: lot of humanity that goes unseen in their incredibly selective

844
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: coverage of global catastrophes. Well, it's more just look, all

845
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: policy has a reaction, and it's all about trade offs.

846
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: Like we were talking about with Taiwan. Yeah, technically anybody

847
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: can go to Taiwan if they're Speaker of the House.

848
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: You're the co coequal branch of government. Now should you

849
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: should you maybe think about why? Same with sanctions. I mean,

850
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: we have at this point the US consumers paid hundreds

851
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: of billions of dollars as a result of our sanctions

852
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: policy against Russia. So should that not be then weighed

853
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: against what we have gotten for it. Well, this is

854
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: another issue from the UN. Let's go and put this

855
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: up there on the screen. They say we are quote

856
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: one miscalculation away from nuclear annihilation. This is from the

857
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: UN chief citing specifically the war that's happening in Ukraine.

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00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: And as I was speaking about the battlefield, because again

859
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: I think this is very important. Remember our policy there

860
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: is to justify what is happening and supporting the Ukrainian military.

861
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: So then we need to very critically assess, well is

862
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: it worth it relative to what we're watching. Let's put

863
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: this on the screen here from the BBC. So Ukrainian

864
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: military is trying to mount a counter offensive in the

865
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: region of Kerson and Ukrainian forces signaled their intention to

866
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: recapture it. As this counter offensive has begun in the

867
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: south however, a control of it which fell to Russia

868
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: earlier this year, and why it matters is because of

869
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: its proximity to Crimea and the establishment of a land bridge,

870
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: but no tactical gains have yet been made on the ground.

871
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: The offensive itself is gaining pace in terms of military

872
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: equipment the US. Yes yesterday green Lid another eight billion

873
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: dollars of military equipment sent over to Ukraine in order

874
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: to try and bolster this counter offensive. So we need

875
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: to watch this very critically, like if this does not work,

876
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: it is a clear resounding message to us that despite

877
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: the billions of dollars, despite all the support not only

878
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: in military equipment, but describe the economic and political support

879
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: on behalf of the United States and the European Union,

880
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: that look, it is not within a feasible realm that

881
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: the Ukrainian military is going to achieve any sort of

882
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: battlefield offensive capability. And that means that it's time to

883
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: negotiate and it's time to talk. Maybe the Ukrainians will

884
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: get there, but the situation Ukrainian government right now is

885
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: not so good. So I think we'll talk about this tomorrow.

886
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: But Tom Friedman buried in his piece about Taiwan, how

887
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: I noticed that too. This is very shocking saying, and

888
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm just teasing it for the audience. He said specifically

889
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: that relations between the US and between the White House

890
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 1: and Zelenski are actually not very good right now, specifically

891
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: because Zelenski for reasons that are completely mystifying fired two

892
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: of the most senior intel officials and law officials in

893
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 1: the Ukrainian government, and there are perhaps allegations of corruption

894
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 1: surrounding that action. The cool and the mistrust between Washington

895
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: and Kiev at this moment, you know, I mean, very significant.

896
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: It hasn't yet broken out into the public view, but

897
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: it just again shows you that there is fractures in

898
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,959
Speaker 1: our Ukraine policy and that many the warnings about wholeheartedly

899
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: just backing this without any sort of checks or you know,

900
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: discussion ahead of time may have been a folly and

901
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: a problem. Yeah, And that the media clampdown of any

902
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 1: saying like, you know, this government had some problem yes

903
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: before we got involved, right, that was like how good?

904
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: You say that Solenski's a hero and he's perfect and

905
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: that's all there is to say about it. I'll read

906
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: you the section from this Freedman op ed which was

907
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: about Taiwan, but he brings up Ukraine is a way

908
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: pointing to like, hey, guys, this is really not the

909
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: time to be doing this Taiwan thing. He says, there

910
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 1: is funny business going on in Kiev. On July seventeen,

911
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: Selenski fired his country's prosecutor general and the leader of

912
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: his domestic intelligence agency, the most significant shakeup in his

913
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: government since the in Russian ASI in February be the

914
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: equivalent of Biden firing Merrick Garland and Bill Burns on

915
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: the same day. But I still haven't seen any reporting

916
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: that convincingly explains what that was all about. Be nice

917
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: if the media got on top of that one. It

918
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: is as if we don't want to look too closely

919
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: under the hood in Kiev for fear of what corruption

920
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: or antics we might see when we have invested so

921
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: much there. And he says more on the dangers in

922
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: that another day, and also, as you point out, directly

923
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: says that quote, there is deep mistrust between the White

924
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: House and Ukrainian President Zelensky, considerably more than has been reported.

925
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: So really important. I mean, Friedman is his insidary as

926
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: it gets. The reason you should believe it is because

927
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: Biden talks to him literally all the directly and hosts

928
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: him at the White House. So you take that for you, yes, exactly.

929
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: I just want to go back for a moment because

930
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: I think it is so important to what the Secretary

931
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: General of the UN is saying about being one misunderstanding

932
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: or miscalculation away from nuclear annihilation, because this is something

933
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: that is really important to keep in the front of

934
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: your mind even as this conflict in this war grinds

935
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: on and on and on. These are the stakes that

936
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: we're talking about in this proxy war that we have

937
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: chosen to be all in with against Russia. Those are

938
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: the stakes one miscalculation, one mis understanding away from nuclear annihilation.

939
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: And by the way, it is not just in our

940
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: proxy war with Russia where those are the stakes. We

941
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: also have decided, partly because of our policy visa of

942
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: the Russia, to get all the way back in bed

943
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 1: with the Saudis that is effectively gone to completely kill

944
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: the possibility of re entering the Iranian nuclear deal, and

945
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: so that also creates another potential source of misunderstanding, miscalculation,

946
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: and you know, risks for global peril. Now when you

947
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: layer on top of that Pelosi's dumbass trip to Taiwan,

948
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: this is a really scary moment that we're living through

949
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: right now that frankly, I think people you and I

950
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: and people of our generation growing up post Cold War

951
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: have really not had to reckon with and sit with

952
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: for we never have past generations have had this looming

953
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: threat hanging over them in a very tangible way that

954
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: we have never experienced. And now here we are right

955
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: back in that place. Yeah, I think that's right. All right,

956
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: Why don't we talk about the elections. Okay, all the forests.

957
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: There is a lot going on here as well, because

958
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 1: there are some quite significant mid term elections happening right

959
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: now today. Let's go ahead and put this Boltz Magazine

960
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: piece up. Daniel Nashanian, who we've had on the show

961
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: numerous times. He has a left perspective. He shares my perspective,

962
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: but I do want to say the work that he does,

963
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: just the level of detail that he goes into these

964
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 1: races is so invaluable. Really shout out to Boltz Magazine

965
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: and the work that they're doing. Every midterm day, they

966
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: put out one of these pieces that details all the

967
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: races in all the states that have sort of the

968
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: key information of who the players are and what the

969
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: stakes are. So let me give you the big picture

970
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: overview today. You have primaries in Arizona, in Kansas, in Michigan,

971
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: in Missouri, and in Washington. We're going to dig into

972
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: a few of these states, specifically their governor races, their

973
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: Senate races, and some of the high level things that

974
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: are going on. But a couple other notes I wanted

975
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: to make here. You have a couple of squad members

976
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: Rashida to Leeb and Corey Bush in particular, who are

977
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: facing primaries. To my knowledge, you know, it's expected that

978
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: those squad members will prevail, but that's something to keep

979
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: an eye on. You also have a lot of Secretary

980
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 1: of State contest. Ordinarily, those are sort of sleepy affairs

981
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: and no one really cares that much. But now that

982
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: you have an active movement that is saying, hey, we

983
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't have certified Biden's election and we're going to go

984
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: our own way next time, those become really significant. And

985
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 1: you have a lot of candidates out there who are

986
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 1: on the whole stop the steal train. You've got governor's

987
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: races in Arizona, in Michigan, You've got Senate races in Arizona, Missouri,

988
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: and Washington. Washington has become newly relevant because of what

989
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: you were talking about yesterday. Saga. Doctor Oz is performing

990
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: so poorly in his Senate race against John Fetterman in

991
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania that a Senate seat that I think Republicans originally

992
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: we're kind of thinking it was a layup in terms

993
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 1: of it's not even a pickup for them, it's actually

994
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 1: holding the seat. Because this is Pat Toomey retiring, They're

995
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: now looking to expand their map and go to other places.

996
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: Say maybe we could pick up that Senate seat in

997
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: Washington to try to win the Senate. So they're looking

998
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: more closely at Washington. It would be Patty Murray, Cenator

999
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: Patty Murray. That whoever comes out of that contest is

1000
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: up against another little notable here is Chris Kobak. Remember

1001
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: that guy. He's back. He's running once again for Kansas

1002
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: secretary of State, another sort of you know, character from

1003
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 1: the past who I don't think you could really trust

1004
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: very well in the secretary of state position to just

1005
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,919
Speaker 1: uphold free and fair elections, that's not really his thing.

1006
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: So those are kind of the high level look at

1007
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: what's going on today's EID. Yeah, that's right, it's pretty interesting.

1008
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: I mean, in terms of the harbingers, we're going to

1009
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 1: do a major one on abortion in a second. That's

1010
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: probably one of the most politically significant ones. Yeah, I

1011
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: mean Arizona, other places that we're going to discuss really

1012
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: all just discussions of stop the steal and what the

1013
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: impact of Trump and his endorsement, his policy, what he

1014
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: cares about on elections is going to dictate for the future.

1015
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: I think this is almost why the obsession with jan

1016
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: six and the media just blaze most of the point.

1017
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, we know, but I would rather focus.

1018
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: I'm like Dug Lastriano, this new Secretary of State candidate

1019
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 1: in Arizona, many others who are outright saying I won't

1020
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: concede the election and I will appoint alternative slate of

1021
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: electors if I can. Last time, I checked Arizona battleground

1022
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 1: straight Crystal, So that's w Yeah, I mean that wasn't

1023
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: That was the closest state I think last summer. I

1024
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: think Georgia was closer. But yeah, ordinarily close Arizona and Georgia,

1025
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: which also you know there are issues there before we

1026
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: jump into I want to dive into Arizona. But you know,

1027
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: Sagar was thinking last night as I was going through

1028
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: these elections, I think about the conversation we had with

1029
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: Kyle Condick as well. It's like, when you look at

1030
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: the big picture, you're like, oh, Republicans are going to romp.

1031
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: Like the further you pull out and you look at inflation,

1032
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: and you look at the recession, and you look at

1033
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, the feed is continuing to tighten and things

1034
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: are only likely to get worse, and you look at

1035
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: the presence approval rating and all of these things, you're like, oh,

1036
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: this is like a total easy romp for Republicans. And

1037
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: it's like the more that you zoom in to the

1038
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: individual specifics, the more of a mess it is for them,

1039
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: because you know, in previous years, we've had one or

1040
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: two candidates, like back in the Tea Party years, you'd

1041
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: have one or two candidates that are total nut jobs,

1042
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: totally crazy that voters are like, listen, I'm normally Republican,

1043
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: but I just can't go along with you on Todd

1044
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: Agin or Christine O'Donnell or Sharon Angle or whatever. This

1045
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: is like every state in go to, every single state

1046
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 1: you go to, I mean, there's just a slew of

1047
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: these candidates who have really wild views, not just on

1048
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: stop the Steal, but they're for you know, complete abortion

1049
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: bands and really outside of the mainstream on that stuff.

1050
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: Blake Masters in Arizona, who is saying he's not going

1051
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: to vote for any judges who support the right to contraception.

1052
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: You just have people who are in state after state

1053
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 1: after state have embraced some of the looniest parts of

1054
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 1: the kind of online far right. So with that being said,

1055
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: let's have in Arizona, which is great case in point

1056
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 1: for this where President Trump's candidates are doing extraordinarily well

1057
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: according to the polls. We'll see what happens today, but

1058
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and put this tear sheet up on

1059
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: the screen. This is the state where you've got you know, governor, Senate,

1060
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: attorney general, secretary of state, they say. Days before this

1061
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: Arizona primary election, a new poll shows Republican candidates back

1062
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: by form President Trump are dominating over their rivals in

1063
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: several key races. Carrie Lake for governor, who has outright

1064
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: said that she would not have certified the Biden electors,

1065
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: so she would have if she was governor last time around,

1066
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: she would have falsely overturned that election. She in this

1067
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: lay's poll leads her closest opponent fifty one to thirty three.

1068
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: Her opponent, Karen Taylor Robson, is backed by a lot

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Speaker 1: of establishment figures, including Mike Pence, so this was kind

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Speaker 1: of like the Pence versus Trump thing. So far looking

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Speaker 1: pretty good for Trump and Carrie Lake. You've got a

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Speaker 1: couple of others. I mentioned Blake Masters before. You also

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Speaker 1: have Mark Finham running for Arizona Secretary of State and

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Speaker 1: Abe Hamada who's running for state attorney general. And every

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Speaker 1: single one of the cannons that I just mentioned is

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Speaker 1: stop the steal Masters. I just mentioned some of the

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Speaker 1: positions that are outside of the mainstream for Arizona, and

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Speaker 1: this was an eminently This is continues to be an

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Speaker 1: eminently winnable seat for Republicans. Mark Kelly is up for

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Speaker 1: re election, so we'll see how this all works out

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Speaker 1: for them. So I think I don't think Mark Kelly

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Speaker 1: is gonna it's gonna work out so well for him,

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Speaker 1: although it's possible. He's actually quite popular popular Zon, but

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Speaker 1: he was known as a like astronaut hero before he

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Speaker 1: was Yeah, no, no no, no, you're right. That really is

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Speaker 1: how he built himself. But he never really opens his mouth.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, he look I think, keeps it

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Speaker 1: close to the best. Yeah, it's also like Masters, he's

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Speaker 1: an interesting guy. He has a lot of theories, like

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Speaker 1: you said about legislation. The contraception one is more, according

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Speaker 1: to him, is more about judicial precedent. Same in terms

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Speaker 1: of privatizing social security, which I genuinely could not believe

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Speaker 1: that he said, oh about one. I was like, dude,

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Speaker 1: are you serious? This is like mid two thousands George W.

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Speaker 1: Bush stuff. But that's what happens when you have liberty

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Speaker 1: libertarian Peter teal brain left over from the two thousands

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Speaker 1: he used to work for. Peter teele Co wrote a

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Speaker 1: book with him, which actually is quite a good book

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Speaker 1: on business. The Arizona Secretary of State race, though, is

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Speaker 1: the one which is genuinely terrifying because that is just

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Speaker 1: one where this person gets to decide the state of electors,

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Speaker 1: the administration of elections, and the front runner is a

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Speaker 1: guy who not only said that he wouldn't concede he lost,

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Speaker 1: but that he would he emphatically backed the alternative state

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Speaker 1: of electors, the audits, many of these things that have

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Speaker 1: not panned out so well for the Trump movement. So

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Speaker 1: to me, that's the single most important one, beyond even

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Speaker 1: the Senate race. The Senate races I think will probably

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Speaker 1: be decided more on the national issues, but the people

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Speaker 1: who are actually in charge of administering these elections, especially

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Speaker 1: in the state which was so damn close in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty and the center of all of this controversy with

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Speaker 1: the Fox Call. This is going to be one of

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Speaker 1: those as we found out in two thousand and the

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Speaker 1: hanging Chad's thing, who the Florida Secretary of State was

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Speaker 1: and her connections to the Bush family and why that

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Speaker 1: stuff mattered. This is exactly going to come back to

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Speaker 1: really bite people and why we're paying so much attention

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Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, and I mean Carrie Lake, the who's

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Speaker 1: probably going to wait for the artorial nomination tonight is

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Speaker 1: back by Trump. And by the way, I mean the

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Speaker 1: article is correct. Like the Trump back candidates have done

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Speaker 1: incredibly well. Yes, his record overall has been a little

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Speaker 1: bit mixed. But in Arizona they're they're all about it.

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Speaker 1: The Airs are gop is and still in love with

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Speaker 1: Don Yes. In fact, the Arizona GOP censured Yes Speaker

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Speaker 1: Rusty Bowers because he cooperated with the January sixth committee.

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Speaker 1: He is also on the ballot tonight. He's running for

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Speaker 1: a state Senate seat. So that's like a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a side note to watch there. But that shows

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Speaker 1: you how much the party has gone in with Trump

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Speaker 1: and stop the steal. And you can see the base

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Speaker 1: is very motivated by this. Carrie Lake is all in

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Speaker 1: on two thousand mules and all, I mean, all of

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Speaker 1: the all of that stuff. And again, if you put

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Speaker 1: this person in a a position of power, secretary, state, attorney

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Speaker 1: general and they're all buying in to this insanity from

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Speaker 1: the last time around, these are not the position people

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Speaker 1: that you want to just you know, have a sort

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Speaker 1: of neutral, unbiased commitment to democracy and not just doing

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Speaker 1: whatever it takes to ultimately effectuate the outcome that they desire.

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Speaker 1: One thing I was thinking about with all of the

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Speaker 1: saga is especially with this dude, who is like, I

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Speaker 1: might not concede if I lose. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: really believe it this time around. Do you think that

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Speaker 1: any of this will have the impact that it had

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Speaker 1: in Georgia, which is the elections are rigged. Conspiracies deterred

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Speaker 1: some Republican voters from thinking that it was worthwhile going

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Speaker 1: to cast their ballot because they fell out. Well, if

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Speaker 1: it's rigged anyway, why bother it? Simply it's possible. It's

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Speaker 1: a different state that being said, the reason Arizona when

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Speaker 1: blue is specifically because Maricopa County, traditional GOP stronghold, actually

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Speaker 1: didn't end up voting for Biden. So it's not like

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Speaker 1: it is in full of like middle class, upper middle

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Speaker 1: class suburbanites who don't like Trump. But because this is

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Speaker 1: a party primary, the people who are left over the

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Speaker 1: party faithful, they are all in. I'm just wondering about

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Speaker 1: for the general election though, if it is, you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of depresses the vote, I genuinely don't know. It's

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Speaker 1: just something I was thinking about last night because it

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Speaker 1: did seem to have that effect in Georgia. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it can't not write, which is that the same specific

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Speaker 1: demographic type of population which was turned off by this

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Speaker 1: in Georgia. You would presume that given that the same

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Speaker 1: political condition which led to Biden winning the state, would

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Speaker 1: probably have the same impact. At the same time Arizona.

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Speaker 1: I think the gas is much more expensive there than

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Speaker 1: it is in the state of Georgia, so macroeconomically it

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Speaker 1: could have more of an impact. The Trump GOP also

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Speaker 1: is a bit more Trump e in Arizona than it

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Speaker 1: is in I mean, remember this is the place of

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Speaker 1: Sheriff Joe immigrations a hotter right there, way hotter in Arizona,

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Speaker 1: so it's probably more of a hotbed of trump Ism.

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Speaker 1: So I would guess that probably not as much as

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Speaker 1: an impact as an old time GOP stronghold like Georgia.

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Speaker 1: But again there's literally no way to know. Most people

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Speaker 1: thought it was crazy that Biden even won the state

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Speaker 1: in the first place, so yeah, we'll see. All right.

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Speaker 1: I want to move on to Michigan because this one

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Speaker 1: is it's really quite fascinating. There's kind of a weird

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Speaker 1: showdown going on between that's Devas and her family, which

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Speaker 1: have long been these massive GOP funders in the state

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Speaker 1: of Michigan in particular, also nationally, but in particular, they

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Speaker 1: have been like the political kingmakers in this state. They

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Speaker 1: have shaped the party in their image, all of this stuff.

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Speaker 1: So Devas, I don't know if you remember this. I

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Speaker 1: honestly didn't remember it, but after January sixth she resigned

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Speaker 1: because she'd been Education secretary, and then it came out

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Speaker 1: that she was one of the people who went to

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Speaker 1: Pens and was like, hey, what do you think about

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Speaker 1: removing him through the twenty fifth Amendment. So this came

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Speaker 1: out through reportings. So that of course has created this

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Speaker 1: giant schism not only between her and Trump, but now

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Speaker 1: there's this sort of like divide in the Republican Party

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Speaker 1: within Michigan. Let's go and put this New York Times

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Speaker 1: article up on the screen. So they are trying to

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Speaker 1: nominate a Republican candidate who can take out Gretchen Witmer, who,

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Speaker 1: of course Republicans came to really hate during COVID because

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Speaker 1: of her lockdown procedures. Now she has proved to be

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Speaker 1: more popular, I think than they thought. The Leads approval

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Speaker 1: ratings have her above water at fifty five percent. But

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Speaker 1: you know, in this year and given some of the controversies,

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Speaker 1: this certainly seemed like a prime pickup opportunity. So not

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Speaker 1: only do you have this weird schism going on between

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Speaker 1: the Devas family and Trump, but we covered here as well.

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Speaker 1: There was this crazy situation where actually the top two

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Speaker 1: leading contenders to be the Republican's gubernatorial nominee, they both

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Speaker 1: were kicked off the ballot because they had insufficient signatures.

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Speaker 1: They hired this consultant who was a total scam artist

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Speaker 1: and used people that just blatantly. I mean, so obviously

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Speaker 1: blatantly forged signatures, so they ended up with not enough

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Speaker 1: signatures to get on the ballot, and they both get

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Speaker 1: kicked off the ballot. So then you end up with

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Speaker 1: this sort of total free for all of a lot

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Speaker 1: of more political neophytes, unknown folks, and ultimately Devas gets

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Speaker 1: behind a woman named Tutor Dixon who's a conservative media

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Speaker 1: personality and puts a millions of dollars behind her in

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Speaker 1: terms of a super patch. She starts to rise in

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Speaker 1: the polls, and then Devas actually writes a letter to

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Speaker 1: Trump and it's like, please her, Tutor Dixon is the

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Speaker 1: only one who can defeat that woman or whatever Trump

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Speaker 1: normally calls Gretchen Wimmer. Trump, seeing the poles, I guess,

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Speaker 1: buries the Devas hatchet and decides to also get in

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Speaker 1: at the last minute for Tudor Dixon, so it looks

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Speaker 1: like she has the edge to become the nominee. And again,

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Speaker 1: this is someone who's, you know, dabbled in all sorts

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Speaker 1: of like conspiracy theories and fringe ideas and in her phrase,

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Speaker 1: into conservative media, and it looks like she's in the

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Speaker 1: sort of what they call it the pole position to

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Speaker 1: win the gubernatorial nod tonight. Yeah, that is the crazy part,

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Speaker 1: which is that she's both a scion of the devases

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Speaker 1: and there's been a bearing of the hatchet, but it

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Speaker 1: hasn't stopped her from indulging stop the steal. The chaos, though,

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Speaker 1: is just bad for the GOP in general, because this

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Speaker 1: again was supposed to be a state where look, Trump

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Speaker 1: won Michigan in twenty sixteen, it was close in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty as well, and it was supposed to be a

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Speaker 1: situation where Governor Whitmer is tight with the Biden administration.

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Speaker 1: She was almost made vice president. You know, if Black

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Speaker 1: Lives Matter hadn't happened, that certainly could have been. She

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Speaker 1: was the poster face of lockdowns of COVID procedure, which

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Speaker 1: of course there's been a backlash on, and she's tried

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Speaker 1: to walk away from that. There's all that stuff going

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Speaker 1: on with her husband, and she was a national figure,

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Speaker 1: wasn't actually that popular in Michigan. But the chaos has

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Speaker 1: now led to the situation where she is not nearly

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Speaker 1: as beatable as what was previously thought. And the last

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Speaker 1: July approval poll look has her up by five points,

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Speaker 1: you know, even with the corrective that essentially has her tide.

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Speaker 1: Yeah with the GEO, it was not supposed to be tied.

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Speaker 1: Way more popular than Biden. Yeah, way more popular Biden.

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Speaker 1: Frankly because she put her buried her head in the

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Speaker 1: sand probably for the last year, tries to make people

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Speaker 1: forget that she was ever doing any of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: But listen, that's the strategy, and the Republican strategy was

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Speaker 1: to tire to the lockdowns and to the National Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party run against her as har as pots and show

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Speaker 1: that the GOP can contest Michigan in the trumperra which

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Speaker 1: they have proven time and time again. So this is

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Speaker 1: a major problem for the Michigan GOP. The chaos that

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Speaker 1: has been unleashed within this has really put a damper

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Speaker 1: on the down ballot problem or on the enthusiasm and more.

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Speaker 1: And unleashing this all way to the last moment has

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Speaker 1: made it so that many of the voters themselves don't

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Speaker 1: really like they're like, can we trust this lady? But

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Speaker 1: Trump is kind of behind her, and then that of

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Speaker 1: course is going to bleed into the overall election, especially

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Speaker 1: if this person is endorsing Stop the Seals. Yeah, common theme. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and she also she has extreme views on inportion she favors.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't favor exceptions for raper incest only when the

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Speaker 1: mother's life is at risk. And I think she's also

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Speaker 1: just another one of these candidates, and something Kyle Kondick

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Speaker 1: talked about yesterday is very unproven. I mean, she's never

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Speaker 1: done this before, and so you have no idea how

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Speaker 1: that type of person is going to Ultimately, it could

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Speaker 1: be a good thing because they don't have a voting record.

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Speaker 1: It's an outsider people like that, and it can also

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Speaker 1: end up going off the race if they don't handle

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Speaker 1: themselves in effective way. Like you know, doctor Oz has

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01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: not performed particularly well in Pennsylvania. There's just a couple

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Speaker 1: other races. There's actually a lot in Michigan. I won't

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Speaker 1: go through all of them, but I just want to

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Speaker 1: mention a couple we've been talking about. Peter Meyer, who's

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Speaker 1: that Republican who voted for Trump's impeachment. He's an incumbent.

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Speaker 1: He is facing a primary challenge from his right that

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Speaker 1: Democrats have been backing, which is bananas and hypocritical and

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Speaker 1: all of those things. You have two Democratic incumbents who

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Speaker 1: have been drawn into the same district. Haley Stevens, who

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Speaker 1: is more of sort of like you know, moderate corporate

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Speaker 1: standard issue Democrat Andy Levin, who's more progressive, who's backed

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Speaker 1: by Bernie Sanders and a pack, the American Israeli Pack

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Speaker 1: has been playing significantly in this race, trying to boost

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Speaker 1: Haley Stevens against Levin, even though Levin is number one

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Speaker 1: Jewish and number two I guess as a sponsor of

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Speaker 1: the two state solution bill in Congress. So they're going

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Speaker 1: to the mat to defeat him, which is, you know, insane.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot that could be said about that as well.

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Speaker 1: And then the last thing that I'll say about Michigan

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Speaker 1: is that they also have a redrawn state Senate map

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01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: that has been gerrymandered to Democrats' advantage, and there is

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Speaker 1: a chance that if Democrats not only hold on to

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Speaker 1: the governor's mansion, which has been made more possible both

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01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 1: by sort of the fading of those COVID lockdown concerns

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01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 1: and the GOP and disarray situation, they have a decent

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01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 1: chance to actually win control of the state Senate, which

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01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: would be very significant and obviously a key swing steak. Yeah,

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01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: so the Peter Meyer race obviously is the one with

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01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: the Democracy is being attacked. And yet you know, I

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01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: was reading yesterday Crystal, the Democrats have spent more backing

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01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 1: him than the entire budget of his campaign. That is

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01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: how much his primary opponent, who's attacking Peter Meyer on

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01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: stop the Steal and for voting to impeach Trump. That

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01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 1: is how much of a lift he's gotten from the

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Speaker 1: National Democratic Amazing, insane, amazing. We got to get to this. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is we say the best for Lusty. Sorry, okay,

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Speaker 1: We've covered very few times, but just to remind you,

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01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: the big race we've been focused on there is the

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Speaker 1: Senate race. On the Democratic side, you have Lucas Kootz

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01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: and you have this woman whose name I forget, but

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01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: she's like an heiress, billionaire type and very hard to say.

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Speaker 1: Who's going to prevail ultimately in that primary. The Republican side,

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Speaker 1: very interesting. You have you have two erics who are

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Speaker 1: contesting this, Eric Schmidt and Eric Gritons. There is another

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01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: woman as well, but Trump weeks ago it said she's

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01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: not mega enough or whatever he said, and I'm not

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01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 1: endorsing her, and I think that has kind of hurt

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Speaker 1: her chances in terms of pulling off the GOP nominations.

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Speaker 1: Here Britons, you may recall, is the former governor of

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01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,679
Speaker 1: the state who had to resign in disgrace, not only

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01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:55,600
Speaker 1: over allegations that he blackmailed his mistress with naked photos

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Speaker 1: that she did not want taken. Is if this, you know,

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Speaker 1: you say anything about this, I'm going to release these.

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01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: That's the allegations, which he denies. But there was also

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01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: a corruption scandal that is actually I think the real

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01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 1: reason he resigned to sort of head off the investigation

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01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:12,600
Speaker 1: that Republicans, including Josh Holly at the time, they ate

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01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 1: each other, right, and he backed Holly back the woman

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01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 1: who Trump specifically did not endorse. Okay, since Briton started

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01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 1: running for Senate, his ex wife has come out and

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01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 1: also accused him in court proceedings of domestic abuse, which

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01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:32,560
Speaker 1: he also denies. So not the greatest potential candidates to

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01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: put up in the fall. In fact, Democrats are a

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01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: little bit hopeful that if he was the nominee they

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01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: would have some outside outside chance of potentially winning the

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01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 1: seat if they run a really effective campaign. Then you

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01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 1: have Eric Schmidt, who has also of course been vying

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01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: for Trump's endorsement and trying to signal these mag as

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01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:51,759
Speaker 1: much as he can, and that he would not vote

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01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: for Mitch McConnell as a majority leader in all of this.

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01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: So Trump puts out dismissive at the last minute, that's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to endorse yes. In the Missouri Center, we

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01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 1: were like, Wow, it's actually goes. It's crazy, and it

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01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: had looked like before we were kind of like, I

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01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: think he might go with Gritons, But then the polls

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01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: were shifting Insurgements favor because there was a bunch of

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01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,600
Speaker 1: established money that came in to basically trash Gritons on

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01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: the airwaves, and that seems to be effective. He had

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01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 1: dropped in the polls significantly, So then we're like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: he's probably going to come in behind Schmidt because he

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01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 1: wants the winner, right, So let's go and put this

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. You cannot believe this, okay, Honor

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01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 1: read this whole thing. So leave this up there, he says,

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Speaker 1: Missouri Senate endorsement. There is a big election in the

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01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:35,759
Speaker 1: great state of Missouri, and we must send a MAGA

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01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 1: champion and true warrior to the US Senate, someone who

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01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 1: will fight for our border security, election integrity, our military,

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01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: great veterans, together with having a powerful toughness on crime

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01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 1: in the border. We need a person and will not

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01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 1: back down to the radical left lunatics who were destroying

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01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: our country. I trust the great people of Missouri on

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01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 1: this one to make up their own minds, much as

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Speaker 1: they did when they gave me landslide victories of the

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01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen and twenty twenty elections. And I'm therefore to

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01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: announce that Eric in all caps has my complete and

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01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 1: total adorsement endorsement. Again, both Schmidt and Grayton's are named Eric,

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01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: so which Eric nobody knows, so they go both of

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01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 1: them shamelessly Brighton's first and then Schmidt follows claim the

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01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: endorsement as their own. They're like, I'm proud to be

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01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: endorsed by President Trump, which Eric? Is it? All? Eric's

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01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: shout out to Eric's who are out there is just

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01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: meant to sort of cop is it. I mean, it

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01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: is an incredible troll. You have to give them credible.

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01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: It's hilarious. I mean, this is genuinely one of the

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01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 1: best funniest things he's ever done in politics. He's like,

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01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:40,799
Speaker 1: I am here by endorsing Eric, and everybody's like wait

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01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 1: which one, and then both Eric's because they have no

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01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,879
Speaker 1: shame or like, no, no, no no, guys, it's me. Apparently

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01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 1: there's actually another Eric who's on the ballot. Really yeah,

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01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 1: like seventh or whatever. So we'll see what happened. James

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01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: was like because Griighton's was the first out with the like,

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01:13:56,200 --> 01:14:01,719
Speaker 1: it's me endorsed that he pulled a bootage the victory

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01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 1: before anyone could deny it. I'm the Eric. I'm the first. Look.

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01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 1: It's just totally ridiculous. So just says you cowardly move

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01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 1: by Trump. If you're gonna step in, then step in.

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01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: And if you don't want nobody forced you to, you

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01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: don't have to endorse anyone. Why do it in the

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01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 1: first places? With people, it's all a game to him.

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01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: He really doesn't care, like he is. He enjoys watching

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01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: him dance, and that's really what this is. They're both

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01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 1: in advanced for them. That's exactly right. Either will say

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01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 1: a word right if they do win, they'll be like,

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01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: I'm and he'll even be like, I endorse the guy.

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01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 1: This is the Eric that I meant. Oh, it's been

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01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 1: twelve hours since the statement came out and he hasn't clarified,

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01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 1: which means it was an intentional move, which is just amazing,

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01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: truly amazing. Yeah. I mean he says, I trust the

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01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 1: people in Missouri to figure it out. That's why I'm

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01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: endorsing Eric. So I guess you know the other woman

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01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: who what's her name, Vicky Hartzler Artsler, he ruled her

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01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 1: out too. I think it was two weeks ago. Yeah, So,

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01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 1: I guess it's clear who he's not endorsing, but not

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01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: totally clear who he is endorsing. So throws a little

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01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 1: bit of a wrench into the whole situation. Going into

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01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 1: election day again, Republican establishment figures have sort of with

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01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: a lot of money, have coalesced behind not Eric Britons

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01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: because they see him as potentially vulnerable in the faultlessen.

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01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 1: It's still Missouri. The national headwinds are what they are.

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01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 1: It's a very red state at this point, even though

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01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: not that long ago it really wasn't you know. I

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01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: talked to Jason Kandor about his new book. He came

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01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 1: very close in that race against Holly to defeating him,

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01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 1: and that was not very long ago. Claire mccaskell obviously

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01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: represented the say you had a whole Carnahan dynasty of Democrats.

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01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 1: But you know, it has shifted dramatically to the right

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01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:43,640
Speaker 1: in the recent era, and so it still would be

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01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: a really outside shot even if it is Gritons that

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01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:51,440
Speaker 1: gets the nomination. But some classic classic Trump moves here. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: all right. We wanted to get to this ballot initially

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01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: spent a little bit of time on this in Kansas.

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Speaker 1: Let's go and put this up on the screen. So

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01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 1: Kansas primary voters, they are also choosing their nominees for

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01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 1: a number of races, but the one we wanted to

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01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: focus on here is a ballot initiative because they'll be

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01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: the first state in the country to decide statewide on

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01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 1: the right to abortion since the Supreme Court's June decision

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01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 1: overturning Roe versus Way. I'm reading from this USA Today article,

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01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:18,560
Speaker 1: they say, putting abortion access at risk in one of

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Speaker 1: the few Midwestern states that allows the procedure. A state

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01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 1: constitutional amendment on the primary ballot ask voters whether they

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01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 1: want to preserve the right to abortion in Kansas, a

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01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,759
Speaker 1: right protected in a twenty nineteen state Supreme Court ruling.

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01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 1: So basically what happened here is there's language in the

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01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 1: state's constitution that that state Supreme Court interpreted as guaranteeing

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01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: a right to abortion in that twenty nineteen State Supreme

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01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:49,919
Speaker 1: Court ruling. The ballot initiative is to take that clause

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01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 1: out of the to amend the constitution to get rid

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01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 1: of that right to an abortion, and then that opens

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01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: up the Kansas state legislature, which is has a super

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01:16:57,880 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 1: majority of Republicans in it, to do whatever they want

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01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: to you with regards to abortion, and you know, you

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01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 1: could expect they're going to go through with some very

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01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 1: stringent ban of the type that we've seen in other

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01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 1: super red states as well. So if you vote yes,

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01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: that means that you want the Republican legislature to be

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01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: able to pass these sorts of bands. If you vote no,

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01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 1: you want to keep the constitution as is and protect

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01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 1: the right as it exists. The polling has been relatively scarce. Obviously,

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01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 1: again Kansas very conservative state. But you know what we've

1459
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 1: seen from the polling is that even conservative places are

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01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 1: not on board with the most stringent restrictions and bands

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01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 1: that have been passed through a lot of Republican legislators legislatures.

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01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,679
Speaker 1: So that puts the outcome very much in doubt here.

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01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: The reporting from USA Today and other outlets indicates that

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Speaker 1: this has been hotly contested, that there is a lot

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01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 1: of attention, focus energy on the ground around this issue.

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01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 1: That you know, you go, especially through the suburbs, everybody's

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01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 1: got a yard sign either vote yes or vote know

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01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 1: that people are extremely energized around this, and polling has

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01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 1: been scant, but it seems to suggest that this is

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01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 1: going to be ultimately a very close contest. Now, what

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Speaker 1: some election observers are saying is that this could be

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01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of a bell weather of how much

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01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 1: this issue matters to voters and how people feel about

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01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 1: it and all of those things. So that's why this

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01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: is being very closely watched. I'm watching the turnout like crazy,

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Speaker 1: no matter even I mean, I don't know how it's

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Speaker 1: going to work out. I simply have no idea. I mean,

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01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 1: Kansas is a red state, so it wouldn't be surprised

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01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 1: if the referendum did pass. But I actually think it's

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01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 1: a cool way in order to do this, put it

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01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 1: to a referendum to the people of the state and

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01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 1: actually make it like a direct one direct democracy, especially

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01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: on these issues which you know, given state legislators and

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01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,959
Speaker 1: their capture, this is the best way as a barometer

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01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, how is this going to work out?

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01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,679
Speaker 1: It's directly to the people they can campaign. It has become,

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01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 1: as you said, a hot button issue in the state.

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01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 1: So we're watching a couple of things. Democratic turnout. Is

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01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 1: that going to influence the overall election too? Will new

1490
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 1: people actually come out and vote based upon this Three?

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01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 1: Will the pro lifers come out to defend their position

1492
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: or to try and and shrine it into law? So

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01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 1: a lot of questions about activated political constituencies and the

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01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 1: reason it matters. Even more, It's not like Kansas is

1495
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 1: a very contested state. So this is on its merits

1496
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 1: abortion alone, not a lot of confounding variables, and could

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01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 1: tell us a lot about how the entire country is

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01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: going to feel about this in the future, and not

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01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 1: necessarily in twenty twenty two or even twenty twenty four,

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01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 1: but when other major ballot initiatives like this come up

1501
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: to our vote. The one thing that I think is

1502
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 1: Republicans and conservatives a bit of an advantage here, although

1503
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 1: even I mean there are probably even Republican voters who

1504
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: would vote no in the sort of pro choice position

1505
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 1: on this amendment, But Republicans have a lot more at

1506
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 1: stake in the other primaries today. I mean, they're deciding

1507
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,759
Speaker 1: for secretary's date, they're deciding for attorney general, and because

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01:19:54,800 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 1: it is such a Republican stronghold state, you're likely to

1509
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 1: have more Republicans energized to go and vote in those primaries.

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01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 1: This is just me guessing what the landscape might ultimately

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01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 1: look like, but it's definitely one that is interesting and

1512
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: fascinating to watch here, and I did think it was

1513
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: noteworthy the way that the people who want the amendment,

1514
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: who are you know, in the pro life or anti

1515
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: abortion position, The way that they're making the case to

1516
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 1: me is actually pretty revealing because they're not going all

1517
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 1: in on like we got to save the babies, and

1518
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 1: we got to pass the ban, and we got to

1519
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 1: you know, make sure that there's no abortions in the state.

1520
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 1: They're saying this is abortion neutral. This actually we're just

1521
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 1: we just want to change this part of the constitution

1522
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: and then we'll let legislators decide what's appropriate for the state.

1523
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 1: But they are not actually leaning into the changes that

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01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 1: they want to make. In fact, one person who claimed

1525
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:53,760
Speaker 1: to be a spokesperson for like the coalition who's back

1526
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 1: in the amendment was caught saying we've got the ban

1527
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 1: ready to go the minute that this happens, and the

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01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 1: larger coalition distance themselves from that individual. So it is

1529
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: interesting to me that even in a state like Kansas,

1530
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 1: they feel they need to frame their messaging around like

1531
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 1: this is actually abortion neutral and doesn't and are not

1532
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 1: pushing that this would lead directly to a ban or

1533
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 1: the sorts of restrictions that we all know inevitably. Yeah,

1534
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting. We're going to watch it

1535
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 1: all very closely and see how it works out, not

1536
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 1: only in the results but the turnout. It's going to

1537
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 1: tell us a lot possibly about the future. Also could

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01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 1: be a wash. Yeah, who knows. That's the fun part

1539
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: about watching politics, isn't it. All? Right, let's talk about

1540
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. Don't usually talk about sports. We all had

1541
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 1: to do a lot of research for this one, but

1542
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: whenever you look at this case, it tells you a

1543
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: lot about the NFL, a lot about the media, a

1544
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 1: lot about who suffers and who doesn't suffers, how much

1545
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 1: money is at stake, and so we did our best

1546
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 1: in order to try and represent and we know a

1547
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 1: lot of you guys care about it as well, so

1548
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and put this up there on the screen,

1549
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: which I think actually sums it up quite well for

1550
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: those who don't know, Deshaun Watson has been accused by

1551
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 1: dozens of women for sexually assaulting them during massage therapy appointments.

1552
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,600
Speaker 1: To be clear, he was not criminally charged, though the

1553
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 1: some allegations were presented to the grand jury. However, a

1554
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 1: lot of evidence now shows you that the team helped

1555
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 1: cover up the Easton Texas at the time, helped cover

1556
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 1: up some of those allegations and really got him off

1557
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 1: the hook and tried to get him past all of this.

1558
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 1: He was eventually then signed by another team, but he

1559
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 1: has now been suspended by the NFL as for a

1560
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 1: resurgence of allegations against him by the New York Times

1561
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 1: for only six games, and as that tweet sums up

1562
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:36,719
Speaker 1: for guys like Deshaun Watson, Adrian Peterson, Ray Rice, Ezekiel Elliott,

1563
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 1: and DeAndre Hopkins. These guys have been all suspended for

1564
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 1: six games for various violations ranging for felony child abuse

1565
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 1: to punching your I think it was your girlfriend in

1566
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 1: the face on camera to now sexual assault allegations. And

1567
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 1: I think we covered this case previously, Calvin Ridley. This

1568
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 1: guy bets on a game that he didn't even play in,

1569
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 1: and he is suspended for in an entire year, And

1570
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 1: as we commented on the time, the reason why he's

1571
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: being suspended more for seventeen games is because the NFL

1572
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: and sports media and all of them are making money

1573
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 1: hand over fist in sports gambling. So screwing with their

1574
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 1: money and the integrity of all of their new deals

1575
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: with these sports gambling companies is not nearly as objectionable

1576
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 1: as being very credibly accused of sexual assault by dozens

1577
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 1: and dozens of women, And also is not even losing

1578
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 1: that much money. Barstool points to s out, let's put

1579
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 1: this up there on the screen, the way that his

1580
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 1: deal is structured, he will only lose three hundred K

1581
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 1: of his two hundred and thirty million dollars deal due

1582
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 1: to the way that the contract was structured. Because his

1583
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 1: lawyers knew that this could indeed be a problem. That's right,

1584
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: and the Browns new this could indeed be a problem.

1585
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: Once I started reading about this case, I honestly couldn't

1586
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 1: stop because there is so much There are so many

1587
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 1: layers to First of all, the Browns acquire this guy

1588
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 1: when he is undershadow of investigation, after all of these

1589
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:10,760
Speaker 1: allegations have come out. They hire this guy. They signed

1590
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 1: him to This is a record breaking historic amount of

1591
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 1: money in this contract that they have signed him for.

1592
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: Here's the comment from their general manager Andrew Berry. He

1593
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 1: said at a news conference in March. We felt good

1594
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: about Deshaun as a person. We felt good about what

1595
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 1: we learned about the cases to a point where we

1596
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 1: felt comfortable pursuing the trade bringing him into the building,

1597
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:31,560
Speaker 1: And if we didn't in terms of what happened or

1598
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 1: moving forward, we would not have made the trade. I

1599
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 1: did want to give you a few specifics because it

1600
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 1: is so gross what he's accused of doing to these women,

1601
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 1: and when you've got dozens of women coming out with

1602
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 1: very very similar stories, and also there are text messages exchange.

1603
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: I mean, there is a lot of evidence here that

1604
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 1: he was engaged in all sort of harassment and outright

1605
01:24:56,000 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 1: sexual assault repeatedly, like aggressively booking these massage, asking these

1606
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 1: women to come to hotel rooms, and things like that,

1607
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 1: and then he would try to coerce them into all

1608
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 1: sorts of sexual favors, whether it was all sorts of

1609
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 1: sexual fait, we'll just leave it there, so let me

1610
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 1: One of the things that really horrified me the most

1611
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 1: is this is also someone who haled himself out as

1612
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 1: like racial justice and I support the black community. He

1613
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 1: even used that to try to manipulate some of these women.

1614
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: One of the women that he was like basically begging

1615
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:32,599
Speaker 1: to come and give him a massage, he threw in

1616
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 1: there like, oh, I'm just trying to support black businesses.

1617
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 1: So this is someone who says the supports Black lives matter,

1618
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 1: and then he's accused of harassing and assaulting black women

1619
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 1: and claiming that it's, you know, in support of black

1620
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:49,759
Speaker 1: businesses in the black community. So incredibly disgusting. So yeah,

1621
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 1: the other thing that is grotesque about all of this

1622
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 1: is part of the justification that was given for why

1623
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 1: he got such a light sentence, because the person they

1624
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:03,759
Speaker 1: brought in is this like sort of arbitrator judge whatever,

1625
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 1: looked at those past instances of domestic violence and other

1626
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 1: horrific and potentially criminal behavior and was like, well, if

1627
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:16,679
Speaker 1: they only got six seven eight game suspension. I can't

1628
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 1: really say this is worse than what they did. So

1629
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:23,919
Speaker 1: she actually used the NFL's failures in the past amazing

1630
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: to justify the failure here, which is I mean, it

1631
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 1: is astonishing, it is disgusting, it is all of those things.

1632
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, bottom line, what it comes down

1633
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 1: to here is the one dude who was betting on

1634
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 1: the game that he wasn't even playing in messed with

1635
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 1: their capital. And that's what they ultimately really care about.

1636
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:44,760
Speaker 1: That's just as obvious as it can possibly be. Yeah,

1637
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 1: And they point out to the fact that he would

1638
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: literally come into his locker at the Texans stadium and

1639
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 1: the former Secret Service agent who was the director of

1640
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 1: security for the Texans was placed a NDA in his

1641
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 1: locker after Instagram posts began to surface showing that he

1642
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 1: had a problem with being accused. And it's pretty clear

1643
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 1: here that the Texans were doing everything they could in

1644
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 1: order to get Watson, in order to get these women

1645
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 1: to sign NBA's He's now being sued by a variety

1646
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 1: of different women, and you know, the depositions and more

1647
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 1: pretty horrifying. Encourage people to go read this Time's investigation.

1648
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 1: If you know it's a multi thousand word Let's go

1649
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: and put this on the screen and we'll have a

1650
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: link in the description as well if you want to

1651
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 1: go and read it. But these guys get away with

1652
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 1: a hell of a lot because of who they are,

1653
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 1: even though it's all out in the open. They get

1654
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 1: paid tens of millions of dollars, and then even whenever

1655
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 1: it comes to the surface again for the second time,

1656
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 1: you get suspended for six games. I mean, it's just

1657
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 1: what kind of example is this to set for other players?

1658
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 1: And it's clear screw with the money and the integrity

1659
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,719
Speaker 1: of the gambling. Oh hell no, you know you're gonna

1660
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 1: get everything thrown yet, But you know, credibly accused of

1661
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 1: sexual assault by dozens of women and getting sued like

1662
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 1: this and just and even admitting to a lot of

1663
01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:59,919
Speaker 1: you know, at the at the best like bad contact

1664
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 1: in open court or in closed court in a deposition,

1665
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 1: and now it's all been leaked out. That doesn't seem

1666
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 1: to be a problem for the Browns organization, for the NFL.

1667
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 1: I mean it, there's a lot to say about it.

1668
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 1: Like I don't watch the NFL, but I do know

1669
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 1: that you know, millions of Americans care a lot about

1670
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 1: it is what kids and other stuff watch this, and

1671
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: they're looking at this, and there is a clear example

1672
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 1: that's getting set. I mean, this is a guy who

1673
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:26,480
Speaker 1: had access to all of the Houston, Texans massage therapists,

1674
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 1: didn't need to go anywhere, and yet the New York

1675
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 1: Times investigation found that he had booked massage appointments with

1676
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 1: at least sixty six different women from the fall of

1677
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 1: twenty nineteenth through the spring of twenty one. Some of

1678
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 1: those additional women who hadn't sued him said that he

1679
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 1: had requested sexual acts. So it's even more than the

1680
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 1: number of women who directly sued him the amount of

1681
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 1: women who said, yeah, he requested sexual acts for me

1682
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 1: as well. He denies the allegation, Yes, he denies. All right, Sager,

1683
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 1: what are you looking at? Well? I know there's a

1684
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 1: lot of big problems in the world right now and

1685
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 1: this may seem trivial, but I do hope you'll stick

1686
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 1: with me on this one. You might have noticed in

1687
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 1: our segment over the weekend, I was really ticked off

1688
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:10,679
Speaker 1: by that latest update to Instagram. For those who aren't aware,

1689
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 1: Starting last week, Instagram rolled out an update to a

1690
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 1: select portion of its users that effectively took over the

1691
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 1: user's screen. It ended infinite scroll and forced users to

1692
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 1: engage with video and content they previously did not have to.

1693
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 1: The hallmark of the update was by taking over the screen,

1694
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 1: the user had less choice in choosing what they wanted

1695
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 1: to watch and what they didn't, dramatically increasing the amount

1696
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 1: of so called recommended videos that one was served previously.

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Speaker 1: It didn't take a genius to figure out the obvious

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01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 1: Instagram was copying TikTok in a big way. Why Because

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01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:44,560
Speaker 1: TikTok is destroying Instagram with teenage users. It is dominating

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01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 1: in terms of the only metric that advertisers care about,

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01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:50,560
Speaker 1: time on app, And in that update, Instagram made a

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01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 1: big admission. The simple truth is that people do not

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01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 1: post enough on Instagram in the current format to compete

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01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 1: with TikTok for the amount of time spent on the app. Thus,

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01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 1: Instagram was simply going to copy TikTok to force users

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01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:06,559
Speaker 1: to spend time on there in a format that exists

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01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:10,440
Speaker 1: on TikTok, which they know works. This is profoundly distressing

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01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 1: and actually very depressing for a variety of reasons. It

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01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:15,759
Speaker 1: highlights the game at the core of all social media.

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01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:20,080
Speaker 1: You are not the customer, you are the product. The

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01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 1: only thing that matters to these companies is how much

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01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:25,799
Speaker 1: time you spend on the app. The more time you spend,

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01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 1: the more data they gather, the more of that data

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01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 1: they can sell and target for advertisers who are their

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01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: real customers. That's it. Whether you like it or not

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01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 1: is completely immaterial. Keep in mind, myself millions of other

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01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 1: people genuinely really liked Instagram personally. It's always been my

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01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:43,519
Speaker 1: favorite social media platform from its inception. But what I

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01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 1: like doesn't matter. What I click on and spend time

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01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 1: on matters more. In that realm, it is undeniable. TikTok

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01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 1: and its format have won in a big way. It's

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01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 1: not a coincidence Instagram's update shipped the very same week

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01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:01,200
Speaker 1: that Facebook announced its first ever day in revenue in

1724
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 1: the history of the company since it went public. This

1725
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 1: was a company by signs that revenue decline was really

1726
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 1: just the first of many and a specific hit in

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01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 1: the advertising business. Compare this to the data coming out

1728
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 1: of TikTok, and specifically Instagram versus TikTok. Tikktok, by contrast,

1729
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 1: printed a record twelve billion this year, posting a three

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01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 1: hundred percent increase in revenue. Furthermore, TikTok's or past Instagram

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01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:27,679
Speaker 1: is the most downloaded app in twenty twenty twenty two. Worse,

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01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:30,720
Speaker 1: according to Instagram's own internal data, which was leaked by

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01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 1: Francis Hougan, the so called faceful whistleblower, Instagram is losing

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01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 1: dramatically to TikTok amongst the young users who seem particularly

1735
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 1: addicted to the TikTok recommendation algorithm. TikTok is simply the future.

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01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 1: There's just no way of getting around it. And what

1737
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 1: is profoundly sad is because TikTok effectively destroys the social

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01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 1: aspect of social media. As Jay Owens tells Wired, TikTok's

1739
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 1: innovation was realizing that social media no longer has to

1740
01:31:57,439 --> 01:32:00,639
Speaker 1: be social, just media, as in, what what you decide

1741
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 1: to follow today is actually not a good predictor of

1742
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:05,760
Speaker 1: what you might like tomorrow. If you're like me, there's

1743
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff that you subscribe to on YouTube

1744
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:10,639
Speaker 1: or followed on Instagram like ten years ago, that you're

1745
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,560
Speaker 1: not interested in anymore, but you never bothered to unsubscribe.

1746
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 1: The human is too imperfect, and the algorithm is better

1747
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 1: at knowing what you will watch and what you will

1748
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 1: engage with. While that is true, it is killing what

1749
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 1: made social media even cool in the first place. Think

1750
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 1: back to the beginning of Instagram, posting an overfiltered photo

1751
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 1: of your surroundings and having your friends comment that it

1752
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 1: looks cool and that you're doing the same thing. Think

1753
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:35,559
Speaker 1: back to Facebook a decade ago, people would post dozens

1754
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 1: of photos after a night out. There was no presumption

1755
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 1: that this would ever matter for job prospects in the future.

1756
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:43,679
Speaker 1: It was just people sharing photos, status updates with friends

1757
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 1: and then engagement with that friend's content. Was it all

1758
01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 1: sunshine and roses. No, of course not. But it was

1759
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:52,680
Speaker 1: a hell of a lot better than having zero control whatsoever. Fundamentally,

1760
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:55,720
Speaker 1: beyond the even China question, what TikTok has exposed about

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01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 1: the future of social media is that the social aspect

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01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 1: and the connections to friends are actually detrimental to a

1763
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 1: better business model. And look, it's not all bad. You

1764
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 1: want discovery, A recommendation algorithm is great. I would be

1765
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:11,120
Speaker 1: lying if I said that rising and breaking points literally

1766
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 1: would not exist without them. In a way, I owe

1767
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:16,400
Speaker 1: my whole career to them, but to me, I think

1768
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:19,719
Speaker 1: a mix is important. Sometimes I want to follow someone

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01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:22,200
Speaker 1: just for the hell of it. Sometimes it's comforting to

1770
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 1: just keep up every once in a while with certain

1771
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:26,760
Speaker 1: characters from the past. That doesn't mean you never want

1772
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:29,599
Speaker 1: to see it. The human element is what makes us human.

1773
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:32,720
Speaker 1: But it's costing Instagram money. I suppose I owe it

1774
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:34,639
Speaker 1: to you to at least note that after Kylie Jenner

1775
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 1: and Kim Kardashian spoke out, Instagram did actually abandon this

1776
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:41,560
Speaker 1: specific update. But the update itself is just a harbinger

1777
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:44,600
Speaker 1: of the future. Sure, your entire feed may not be

1778
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:47,400
Speaker 1: taken over, but the principle of how more videos that

1779
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 1: you don't follow are going to be shoved into your

1780
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 1: feed is not going anywhere. The principle that you were

1781
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 1: actually a terrible judge of what you will spend time

1782
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:57,680
Speaker 1: on is baked in forever. It will simply have workarounds

1783
01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 1: in the edges in a less immediate and controversial way.

1784
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 1: The real question that all of us should be asking

1785
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:06,559
Speaker 1: is do we like any of this? We could easily

1786
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:09,479
Speaker 1: change these incentives if we acted differently, if we spent

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01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:11,639
Speaker 1: less time on these apps and gave these companies let's

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01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:14,080
Speaker 1: control over us. Of course, at that point they're deeply

1789
01:34:14,120 --> 01:34:16,559
Speaker 1: embedded though in our lives. For people like me, it's

1790
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:18,840
Speaker 1: my whole job. For many of you, this is how

1791
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 1: you get so much value out of your life. Now

1792
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 1: is really the time to assess a system that we

1793
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 1: have allowed to be built on top of all of us,

1794
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:28,720
Speaker 1: because where things are headed, we have no say at

1795
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 1: all in our future. I know you and I have

1796
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:34,480
Speaker 1: talked about this previously, Crystal, about how YouTube the subscriber

1797
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 1: and if you want to hear my reaction to Sager's monologue,

1798
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com, Chris,

1799
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 1: what are you taking to look at? Well, guys, Andrew

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01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:49,000
Speaker 1: Yang has now officially lodged his new Forward Party and listen,

1801
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 1: I'll just be blunt. Definitely not my cup a seat.

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01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:54,280
Speaker 1: As partners are former Republican governor Christine Todd Whitman, who

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01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:56,759
Speaker 1: has spent her time post public service running a lobbying

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01:34:56,760 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 1: outfit serving on various corporate boards. And Dave the Jolly.

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01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 1: He's a former Republican congressman who has also spent his

1806
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:05,720
Speaker 1: time post to public service cashing in through lobbying with

1807
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 1: the seeming specialty in goulish healthcare companies hardly the team

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01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 1: that I would want for cleaning up the rank corruption

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01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:14,599
Speaker 1: that has made it so our nation's electeds respond only

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01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 1: to donors and to big business. Now. Their analysis at

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01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 1: the Forward Party of the problems with the two party

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01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:23,080
Speaker 1: system is also off base in my opinion. In their

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01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 1: announcement op ed, they write, quote, the United States badly

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01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:28,879
Speaker 1: needs a new political party, one that reflects the moderate,

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01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:32,719
Speaker 1: common sense majority. Today's outdated parties have failed by catering

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01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:35,400
Speaker 1: to the fringes. As a result, most Americans feel they

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01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:39,639
Speaker 1: are not represented super standard, no labels, third way stuff.

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01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 1: The problem for the Democratic Party, though, in reality, isn't

1819
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 1: that they go too far catering to radical extremes. It's

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01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 1: that they make excuses for failing to deliver on the

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01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 1: incredibly basic and insanely popular shit that they routinely promise voters.

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01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 1: In fact, the moderate middle of American public sentiment is

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01:35:57,200 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly in favor of at least expanding my care, hiking

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01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,640
Speaker 1: taxes on corporations in the rich, more than doubling the

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01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 1: minimum wage, and increasing social security. Those positions are not

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01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 1: found at some arbitrary and constantly shifting center point between

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01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 1: the Republicans in DC and the Democrats in DC. It

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01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 1: is significantly to the left of the elected leaders of

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01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:19,640
Speaker 1: either of these parties. In fact, the chair's recitation of

1830
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:22,040
Speaker 1: the issues where we need to find this mythical moderate

1831
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:25,880
Speaker 1: middle illustrate the failure of their analysis. They write quote

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01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:28,880
Speaker 1: on guns, for instance, most Americans don't agree with calls

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01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:31,920
Speaker 1: from the far left to confiscate all guns and repeal

1834
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 1: the Second Amendment, but they're also rightfully worried by the

1835
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 1: far rights insistence on eliminating gun laws. On climate change,

1836
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:40,880
Speaker 1: most Americans don't agree with calls from the far left

1837
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 1: to completely upend our economy and way of life, but

1838
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 1: they also reject the far rights denial that there is

1839
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:48,880
Speaker 1: even a problem. On abortion, most Americans don't agree with

1840
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 1: the far left's extreme views on late term abortions, but

1841
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:53,600
Speaker 1: they also are alarmed by the far rights quest to

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01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:56,680
Speaker 1: make a woman's choice a criminal offense. Listen, let me

1843
01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:58,639
Speaker 1: just put aside equating of the left with the people

1844
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:00,640
Speaker 1: are literally in favor of forcing ten year olds to

1845
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:03,559
Speaker 1: bear their rapist babies. Because on each of these issues,

1846
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 1: the position the Forward Party stakes out is literally just

1847
01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party's actual platform and agenda. Dems just pass

1848
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 1: some basic, ultimately not all that significant gun reforms, They

1849
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:16,799
Speaker 1: just work down a deal with Mansion to do some moderate,

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01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:20,439
Speaker 1: not particularly transformational climate change stuff. And they don't really

1851
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:22,679
Speaker 1: seem to be committed to doing much of anything on abortion,

1852
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:25,800
Speaker 1: but certainly guaranteeing late term abortions is not in the plan.

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01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:28,960
Speaker 1: More concerning, though, is not the Ford Party's positioning on

1854
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:32,160
Speaker 1: these social issues. It's the total lack of commentary on

1855
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:35,519
Speaker 1: the economic issues, which are most core to American's daily

1856
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:38,679
Speaker 1: lives and to the breakdown of our society. Universal basic

1857
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 1: income once Andrew Yang's signature policy proposals gone healthcare unmentioned.

1858
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:48,759
Speaker 1: Breaking up the monopolies, reign and corporate power, no stopping

1859
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:51,160
Speaker 1: the corruption pipeline of money and politics a revolving door

1860
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:54,799
Speaker 1: and cushy corporate board gigs and lobbying jobs. Obviously, Jolly

1861
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:56,599
Speaker 1: and Todd Whitman are not going to kill their own

1862
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 1: cash cow here. On electoral reform, the Ford Party does

1863
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 1: offers some specific and genuinely beneficial policies, advocating for ranked

1864
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 1: choice voting, open primaries, and jerymandering. Nothing would make me

1865
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:10,679
Speaker 1: happier than to see the success of these efforts, especially

1866
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:13,240
Speaker 1: ranked choice voting, which could help build the space for

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01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 1: a viable third party movement that really is responsive to

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01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 1: the economic needs of Americans and isn't just a consultant

1869
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:21,800
Speaker 1: grift complex the way that the two parties are right now.

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01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 1: So listen. On that front, I absolutely hope for and

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01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 1: am cheering for their success, which brings me to the

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01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:29,800
Speaker 1: real heart of what I wanted to say today about

1873
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:32,320
Speaker 1: the Forward Party launch, because there has been a totally

1874
01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:36,120
Speaker 1: unhinged freak out meltdown from liberals over this project. Witness

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01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:39,519
Speaker 1: for yourself, Andrew Yang does not care about democracy. If

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01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:42,640
Speaker 1: Andrew Yang cared about democracy, he would bow out, he

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01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 1: would cancel his Forward Party, and he would help the

1878
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:48,040
Speaker 1: Democrats win in the midterms. But he's not doing that

1879
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 1: because his ego needs him to be the leader of

1880
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 1: his followers, and his followers are going to be when

1881
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:57,519
Speaker 1: he siphons off voters from the Democrats, which will not

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01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:01,520
Speaker 1: work because Forward Party and third parties never win elections.

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01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:04,600
Speaker 1: In fact, they never even receive over five percent of

1884
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 1: the electorate. And Andrew Yang knows this, So what is

1885
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 1: he doing. He is picking apart the Democratic Coalition to

1886
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:14,479
Speaker 1: please his own ego and what's the cost American democracy. So, guys,

1887
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 1: that deranged person is apparently a podcaster, incredible to watch him.

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01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 1: Insists both at the forward party is devastating for the Democrats,

1889
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 1: but also it's definitely going to be a total and

1890
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:29,320
Speaker 1: complete failure. Here's another little example for you from a

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01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:32,720
Speaker 1: former Biden surrogate named Linda Lee. She says, quote, what

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01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:35,000
Speaker 1: Andrew Yang is doing by launching a third party is

1893
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:37,840
Speaker 1: so destructive and a vanity project. We only have one

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01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:42,080
Speaker 1: political party, Dems. GOP is a terrorist org. Either help

1895
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:44,479
Speaker 1: us defeat them or get the f out of the way.

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01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:47,599
Speaker 1: There's literally thousands of tweets of this variety from resistance

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01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:50,200
Speaker 1: liberals who object not to the issues Yang is highlighting

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01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:53,599
Speaker 1: or the substance of their proposed program. Fundamentally, they are

1899
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:57,679
Speaker 1: freaking out at the introduction of any other choices into

1900
01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 1: our political system. They're saying, we have to protect democracy,

1901
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:03,479
Speaker 1: so we can't have any democracy when it comes to

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01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:06,080
Speaker 1: political party options. Doesn't make a lot of sense, does it.

1903
01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 1: But as we've seen before, this is really kind of

1904
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:11,080
Speaker 1: their only play. Is quite revealing that they are clearly

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01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 1: fearful that with any other options available, even what I

1906
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Speaker 1: consider to be quite an anodyne one in the Forward Party,

1907
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Speaker 1: their consultant industrial complex and incumbent protection racket would fall

1908
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Speaker 1: apart completely. Dems are revealing that their whole argument depends

1909
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Speaker 1: not on appealing to voters and making the case for

1910
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Speaker 1: their policies, but on scaring everyone about how the Republicans

1911
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Speaker 1: are so much worse, and in fact, the Republicans are worse.

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Speaker 1: Miscyber pointing out yesterday, you should note the worst Republicans become,

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Speaker 1: the more it benefits Democratic elites, giving them some pretty

1914
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Speaker 1: unsavory incentives in this whole disgusting system. And if their

1915
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Speaker 1: efforts to shame and contol voters into backing their candidates, well,

1916
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Speaker 1: it's never the fault of the hapless Democratic Party for

1917
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Speaker 1: failing to deliver on their promises. It's Jill Stein or

1918
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Speaker 1: Andrew Yang, or those pesky voters themselves failing to support

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Speaker 1: democracy by doing precisely what the party tells them to

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Speaker 1: do when they are told to do it. Look at

1921
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Speaker 1: a lengthy exchange with Andrew yesterday, I didn't want him

1922
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Speaker 1: to be blindsided by my criticism of the Forward Party.

1923
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Speaker 1: He genuinely believes the strategy is the best way to

1924
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Speaker 1: break through the healthscape of our current political landscape. I've

1925
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Speaker 1: certainly been wrong before, and I do know that if

1926
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Speaker 1: the Forward Party can achieve something like universal rank choice voting,

1927
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Speaker 1: it would be a significant breakthrough for rebuilding our badly

1928
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Speaker 1: atrophied muscles of democracy. Perhaps I could create the space

1929
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Speaker 1: for one thousand third party flowers to bloom, a result

1930
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Speaker 1: I would one hundred percent celebrate, regardless of how I

1931
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Speaker 1: felt about any individual flower that bloomed. Trusting voters to

1932
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Speaker 1: have choices and power and be active participants in governance,

1933
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Speaker 1: that is what it actually means to be pro democracy. Censorship, shaming,

1934
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Speaker 1: stifling descent, those are the hallmarks of the anti democratic

1935
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Speaker 1: future that liberals claim to want to avoid. Sager, I've

1936
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Speaker 1: made some of my concerns, and if you want to

1937
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Speaker 1: hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber

1938
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Speaker 1: today at Breakingpoints dot com. Thank you for watching. It

1939
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Speaker 1: was an intense and fun show to do today with

1940
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Speaker 1: a lot of big topics here around the world, domestically politically.

1941
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Speaker 1: We'll have a lot for you on Thursday as well,

1942
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Speaker 1: because we'll have the results of these primary decisions. Listen, guys,

1943
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1944
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1945
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1946
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1947
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Speaker 1: the year. We have some big things that we're going

1948
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Speaker 1: to be hopefully announcing in the coming future, So thank

1949
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1950
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Speaker 1: premium subscriber, it really helps us. I think Soccer your

1951
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Speaker 1: monologue is pretty appropriate here in terms of we don't

1952
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Speaker 1: want to move subthing to the whins of big tech,

1953
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Speaker 1: and the alternative model which we intentionally adopted here is

1954
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Speaker 1: to depend on you guys rather than depending on these

1955
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Speaker 1: recommendation algorithms and these big tech coming. Yeah, we have

1956
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1957
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't trade that for anything else in the world.

1958
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Speaker 1: And it's the most meaningful thing that for the show.

1959
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Speaker 1: We could lose YouTube or whatever tomorrow and it really

1960
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Speaker 1: I mean, it would suck, but it wouldn't matter in

1961
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Speaker 1: the long term because all all of you, So thank

1962
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Speaker 1: you all for your support we're watching the results and

1963
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Speaker 1: whatever happens, it's going to be an eventful twenty four

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Speaker 1: hours and we will see you all on Thursday. See

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Speaker 1: y'all on Thursday.