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Speaker 1: name is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host of the Bear

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Speaker 1: Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be your host into the

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Speaker 1: world of hunting the icon of the North American Wilderness Fair.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about tactics, gear conservation. We will also bring

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Speaker 1: chasing fair. Hey Colby, how's it going? Pretty good? Man?

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Speaker 1: So I want to introduce this podcast that everybody's about

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Speaker 1: to listen to. Just last week I got back from Bozeman,

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Speaker 1: Because and this is why Colby is because everybody already

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows that, and so there were some things that

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Speaker 1: Thank you? Is that is that how you pronounce it? Okay? Okay,

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Speaker 1: Meat Eater, That's what it is. Yeah, at Sportsman channel?

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Speaker 1: Janice to to give his feedback. Uh. Quote from Steve

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Speaker 1: to like, like the really the essential question that I

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Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, um and your honest you chime

454
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: in here too. Uh. Meat Eater was built on authenticity,

455
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: if I could describe it. And I mean I've really

456
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: only known you guys fairly short period of time, so

457
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Speaker 1: you know, I was watching as something we met right

458
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: here it uh now I met you at a shot

459
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: show one time, but mostly yeah, pretty much pretty much. Um.

460
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: So Meteor was built on this authenticity inside of a context,

461
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: and the hunting world that was had lost a lot

462
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: of authenticity. And so the question is, and that's and

463
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: that's what would characterize you, Steve and your honest too,

464
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: and just kind of the brand I feel like it

465
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: is authenticity. And so how do you maintain that authenticity

466
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: in the midst of massive growth when we know, like

467
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: like everybody knows that consumes honety media that it has

468
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: to be paid for. I mean, so, what what stole authors?

469
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: You don't think? So? I mean what stole authenticity irritates people? Well?

470
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: Is is that guy's of providing like basically free media, right?

471
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: Podcasts are free? Right? I mean it's an advertising component

472
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: you're in producing like free media. Um Netflix. You know

473
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: it's not free, but it's a very low subscriber fee.

474
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: It's an it's a bottomless pit of content, right like

475
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. It's not transactional per episode. However,

476
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: people are very irritated when confronted with the idea that

477
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: you need to finance this operation, the operation that you

478
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: need to finance your ability to make free content. I

479
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: get it, yeah, but people know it's not understood. I

480
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: don't think it's why I understood, Well, so how do

481
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: you how do you maintain because I mean what I

482
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: was saying was that you've you've done a good job

483
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: of maintaining that authenticity and inside of the context. So

484
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: how do you keep doing that? Hey? Let me, let me,

485
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: let me Uh, I've got it. I digressed to uh home,

486
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: but go ahead. But but I think the questions you

487
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: kind of the questions like there, but it's eluding you.

488
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: Well that's the question. How do you how do you

489
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: build a business like you like you have and maintain

490
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: the authenticity that got you here? I mean I think

491
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: it's this because because because it'd be like, let's say

492
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: you make shoes, okay, and you make good shoes and

493
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: then pretty soon you have a big company that makes shoes,

494
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: people aren't going to say to you, um, how do

495
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: you continue to make shoes? Be like, well, that's what

496
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: we do. Well, so I'm saying, like, what got what? What?

497
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: What got? You know what? What created the situation? Anyways,

498
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: it's just still it's just like making a thing that

499
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: was making a thing that felt real and you could

500
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: feel passionate about. If you stop doing that, you've stopped

501
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: making shoes. Do you see that? You know what I'm saying,

502
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: Like people, what you're saying, like, what is it? If

503
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: you're not doing that anymore, then you're not doing the

504
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: thing that that right that people want it anyway? But

505
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: do you not see that? That's what happens to companies, though,

506
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: is they They they lose that when they get big.

507
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: And that's certainly not what I'm saying. I'm well, they might,

508
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: but I don't know how you keep Yeah, I don't know.

509
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: I can't really well. I think in our context though,

510
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: in the hunting industry, I think maybe what you're getting

511
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: at is that because of the way that you have

512
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: to pay to make this stuff keep working, right, you

513
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: have partnerships and advertisers, and you have to make them happy.

514
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: And so at some point you come up to a

515
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: thing where there's a huge check that's associated with baby

516
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: a product or a brand that you don't align with,

517
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: but if you need that check real bad, you have

518
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: to go that route, right, And then you end up

519
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: endorsing maybe a product or a brand that you necessarily

520
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: don't align with, and people see that you are being inauthentic,

521
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: and then it could cost you your authenticity. You're saying,

522
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: not like in the material you make, but well and

523
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: holistic the holistic place and not just that, but yes

524
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: that yeah, I mean speaking to that, I think we've

525
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: just always stood our ground and when that stuff comes around,

526
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: and I mean there's there's just boxes and boxes of

527
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: gear that comes across through the doors and meteator and

528
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: across our desks where we just look at it and

529
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, it might be good, but it's just

530
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: not us, you know, and we know we just passed

531
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: on it. And we've you know, speaking to Steve's loyalty,

532
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: I mean, First Light was the first clothing brand that

533
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: he got in with, and I've been with them for

534
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: ten years now, you know, Yeah, the first two people

535
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: to get behind our show we're first Light and Vortex

536
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: yeah and read to this day. Yeah, they're still there. Yeah,

537
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: But I think and I don't have like and and

538
00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: um to endorsed. Talk about recommend Vortex products is not painful.

539
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: It's authentic because you've been using long and I have

540
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: it like a, yeah, there's a product connection, but I

541
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: have an emotional connection there. That's not all that, you know,

542
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to tell you that that's something that's

543
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: like that that emotional aspect is always present, but there's

544
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: parts of it that I'm I'm like quite proud of

545
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: that fact. I don't view it. I don't view that

546
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: I'm able to have like a long term relationship and

547
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: a you know, a sponsorship arrangement, um, the reciprocal relationship

548
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: with Vortex. I don't look at that as being like, oh,

549
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: it's just a thing I had to do. I'm like

550
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: proud of that. And see what I'm what I what

551
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: I see is that I think there's an internal component

552
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: inside of inside of somebody that's got to be pretty

553
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: strong to maintain that kind of authenticity in the midst

554
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: of success. So I mean, I guess and maybe it's

555
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: so deep inside you. Is that you don't. You don't

556
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: even No, No, that's not true. Man. You don't think

557
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: I want I don't want to like act like I

558
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: don't understand your question. Ah. No. We we have conversations

559
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: all the time about about what what do you mean

560
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: we have? What we do is deliberate. Yeah, it's not accidental. Okay.

561
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: We have conversations every day about what not, like how

562
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: to what not? Turning laughter, turning right. But it's like

563
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: conversations every day about like getting it right, like getting

564
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: it right. Detail. We did a hunt last year with

565
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: these guys at this place called Crickets Guy Outfitters and

566
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: Wyoming great dudes, like great, great dudes. I love those guys.

567
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: Um And I was having a conversation with the sun

568
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: Landing Uh Peterson, and he was observing one day to me.

569
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: He was like talking about how he tried he like

570
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: observes he's I would regard him like like a successful

571
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: person right, like does things intentionally. And he was observing.

572
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: He was telling me how he observes successful people and

573
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: he said, a thing that he's noticed is that they

574
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: pay attention to all the details. They pay attention to

575
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: the details at their home. They pay attention to the

576
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: details of how they raise their children. They pay attention

577
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: to the details of what they do at work. They

578
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: pay attention to the details of their vehicle. They like,

579
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: pay attention to the details always. You can make a

580
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: there can be a you can have a facade of

581
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: carelessness or a facade of shooting from the hip. But

582
00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: I think that most peopleho are able to do something

583
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: for a long time are very cognizant of details. And

584
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 1: I think that we sit around arguing about the people

585
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: will be like, I cannot believe these people are arguing

586
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: about something that seems so mundane, right, it seems so silly.

587
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: But we like as an organization where like we don't

588
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: take it silly. Yeah, So when I say it's deliberate,

589
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: there's like there's like I'm like aware of what we

590
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: do and how we do it. Not to say that,

591
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, you don't make all kinds of screw ups,

592
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: but you know, we discuss things like great length things

593
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: that would be silly. When we're making our show. We

594
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: argue over like like seconds of things, like really like seconds,

595
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: you know, considerable back and forth balls by anything. Well

596
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: I could I had I had a great I had

597
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: a great hunt with you guys. People can listen to

598
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: the story of our of our hunt on a Meteor

599
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: podcast that's coming out at some point and then later

600
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: be able to see the see our hunt on Netflix.

601
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: So we could have talked about that, but that would

602
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: have been too easy, would have been too easy to

603
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: talk about that. I appreciate it. Yeah, um, that's a

604
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: good throw. It's a good throw. Yeah yeah, yeah, um. No.

605
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: I enjoyed hunt with both of you guys. So bringing

606
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: it back to the hunting space, man, I enjoyed hunt

607
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: with you Montana. You're people are like, is uh is

608
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: Radella a good hunter? Is he this or that? And man,

609
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: I don't know he uh he killed a turkey? But

610
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: now yeah, and they honest is fast. I would say

611
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: your honest has a very good mouth, crow call, very

612
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: good turkey hunter and fast that hard with him. He's

613
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: got a gate. He's got a significant gate, significant gate.

614
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: I got a little bit of mule skin and experience

615
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: in two because after clay Um shot his bear, we

616
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: were in a like a I don't want to say

617
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: a sticky situation, but we're running out of light. With cameras,

618
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: you're always thinking about light, and I wanted Garrett and

619
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: and Clay to get down there to the bear to

620
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: start processing the bear and get it, you know, while

621
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: we still good light. But they couldn't. We couldn't take

622
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: the mules right off the steep mountainside right to the bear,

623
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: and the path around was was a tour. I figured, man,

624
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: I can lead a couple of meals like man from

625
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: Snowy River. Yeah, it would have been just like that

626
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: for sure, um dead falling all but yeah, so I

627
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: I just grabbed him and led him on around the road,

628
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: and I don't know, it took me a big hour

629
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: or so like that. We just hot footed it like

630
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I felt like a mule guy there

631
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: for for an hour, even though I wasn't riding them,

632
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: I was just leaving them. Steve, did you did you

633
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: enjoy riding the mules? Did you really? Are you just

634
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: tell me that that you gotta tell you. I liked writting.

635
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Speaker 1: I don't think you will I loved it, did you? Yeah?

636
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: Especially now? I don't know. You solved the problem I

637
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: have of writing, which was the testicular pain. But how

638
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: do you do because everybody's always arguing to me about

639
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: how I want my stirrups set up, and I always

640
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: feel like, well, why do why do I need to

641
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: like reach for him and Clay when he fixes it up,

642
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: gives you enough. They're high enough when you can were

643
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: when you need to, you can give yourself a little buoyancy.

644
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: You need to be able to put your clinched fist

645
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: in between your growing in the saddle so you can

646
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: take pressure off. Yeah, if you stay, if you're standing. Yeah. So, man,

647
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: I can't believe you well because I'm not, you know,

648
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: I'm not like even good enough at that. Like I

649
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 1: wouldn't even saddle my own horse without having someone double

650
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: check my work. Yeah, you know. And when I do

651
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: on the occasions when I do ride, I'm always riding

652
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: with like good riders who are watched, you know, watching

653
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: what I do. So it's like there's not a lot

654
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have any room to make the

655
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: kind of mistakes you make to learn and accelerate. Like,

656
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: I don't even have room to make those mistakes because

657
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm a novice rider and I'm with riders who are

658
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: accomplished riders. They know I'm I just tell them I'm not.

659
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm doing they watch me and

660
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: they save me all the like super learning experiences that

661
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: you might learn. So I'm able to be like spend

662
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: day after day after day on horseback, but then say like, yeah,

663
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even be able to saddle it because that

664
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: guy saddles it. And so when people were doing it,

665
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, it's anyways. I felt it was great

666
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: to overcome that because joking aside, that was a thing

667
00:41:53,440 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: that made that that was that like ball slapping dude.

668
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: Game changing made it like made it at times not

669
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: enjoyable to ride horses until I realized that there's like

670
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: it's completely preventable with if you get adjusted right, yeah,

671
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: and other little tricks you pick up. And I don't

672
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: remember that even being the thing. Like when I was

673
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: a little kid, I had to go to horseback riding

674
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: lessons and all that, but you're just a little never

675
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: was an issue. I went out to Colorado with my

676
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: half brother. We've spent all summer riding around the mountains,

677
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: no problem. Then later in life I became like, man,

678
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: you gotta have a trick. Yeah, yeah, you just need

679
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: your syrups up a little bit higher. Now I was

680
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: impressed that you weren't afraid of the mules, Like, like

681
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: not the only reason I'm not afraid of because when

682
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: people tell you you shouldn't be afraid of him, so

683
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: kick the ship out of you. Yeah. Well, I was

684
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: like being like, hey man, we're just gonna cut to it,

685
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna be afraid of you, because it's

686
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: gonna be worse just when you're on its back. Like

687
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: we went through some places where the mule didn't want

688
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: to cross some muddy spot or something, which always happens

689
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: even with good animals. You know, they just get kind

690
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: of caught up on something and and don't want to

691
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: do it, and you just kind of be chilled out

692
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: and just kind of let the mule go on something.

693
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: So I thought you did good. Despite you saying that

694
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: people were critique critique in your your horse riding in

695
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: different episodes and stuff, I thought you did pretty good.

696
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're familiar with this, the phenomenon

697
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 1: of online armchair experts, a lot of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

698
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: for sure. I'm sure you can put up a picture

699
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: of a mule and be like, here's what I mean.

700
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: Old people are gonna be like you should have I

701
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: would you idiot? Right. Yeah. Yeah, Well people can go

702
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: they can listen to the Meteor podcast to hear quite

703
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: a bit about that hunt, and then they can check

704
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: out the Netflix. So the podcast episodes a cliffhanger, Yeah,

705
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: it is a cliffhanger. It is a cliffhanger. Or they

706
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: can go to Bear Hunting Magazine and see the article

707
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna write here sometime pretty quick. But you

708
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: guys are headed to Alaska tomorrow. Yeah, going to fish,

709
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: that's correct. What are you? What are you mainly fishing for? Well,

710
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: tard it um, primarily halibut uh and then as and

711
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: do some shrimping and some crabbing, but primarily go after halibutu,

712
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: and then when that isn't making sense, go after salmon um.

713
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: I just had a few just quick, I'm gonna run

714
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: through these questions and then we'll be done. Um. So

715
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: these are unanswered questions that people have about um, celebrities.

716
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm i'm I'm I'm a little leary to use the

717
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: word celebrity because we don't we count it. Man, I'm

718
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: not sure, but no. I asked a few people and

719
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: they were like they were joking, but they were serious.

720
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: Question number one and you can just give a short answer.

721
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: Are you nice to your wife? We'll start with you

722
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: honest extremely he is. Um, it just depends for me, man.

723
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you know my always mad at me a lot.

724
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: I'm mad at my wife a lot. We've been together

725
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: twelve years. Man, We've got three little kids in the house.

726
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that, right,

727
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: You're not gonna paint a super rosy because a bottomless uh,

728
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: but your intentions like, yeah, I mean there's a tremendous

729
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: amount of love and respect and I would never do

730
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: anything to disrespect my wife. But it's just like anybody knows, man,

731
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: like get a kids. Yeah, you spend a lot of

732
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: time on each other's nerves and yeah, just so people,

733
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: it's just right. I don't I don't like the Actually

734
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: it's not. It's just a reality man. But um, but yeah,

735
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: it's all it's all based on respect and love. But

736
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: God just gets stressful sometimes. What I like to make

737
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: sure that I do. And again, I answered that question,

738
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,479
Speaker 1: you know quickly, so you could get through these questions quickly.

739
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: But since we're getting into um, I tried to at

740
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: least when I am to then, uh, be humble and

741
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: apologize and you know, okay, and know that, Hey, Jana

742
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: speaks very highly of you behind your back about your

743
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: being a father and husband. It's nice. I'll do a

744
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: little checking around. Um you're just a reference checking yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,

745
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: Um let's see, uh number two, what do your wives

746
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: think about all this? Like just you guys, like like traveling, hunting.

747
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: You know, there was just short for me real quick.

748
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: There was never not There was never like it wasn't

749
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: like a thing that got introduced. It was just always

750
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah. It was always that way. So I

751
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: never had to go through a hurdle of being like, hey,

752
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: I have a new life because you didn't. You didn't

753
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: start it. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, Um, it very

754
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: much was introduced. We've been married now seventeen years, and

755
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: uh so halfway through this thing kind of started and

756
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: started traveling a whole bunch more. Although we had always

757
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: been a part of some because that I was an

758
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: hunting guide and would be gone for most of the fall,

759
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: and she spent a lot of time in the field

760
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: all summer, so she would be sometimes gone in a

761
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: different state for three months. Um. But uh yeah, she's

762
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: very supportive of whatever I do. And uh, it's also

763
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: you know, you know, a source of income and it's

764
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: nice to be able to do something you love to do,

765
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: you know, to you know, for your income. So yeah,

766
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: I can't say no to that. Okay. Well we'll wrap

767
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: it up and I'm gonna give you three options for

768
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: questions and you get to pick which question you want

769
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: to answer. Is that fair? Okay? Okay? So question number one,

770
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: are you a jerk behind the scenes? Question number two?

771
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: What does Saturday morning look like for you? These are

772
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: actual things that people say questions yes, And number three, um,

773
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: how much money do you have? Ready? Go? I wanted

774
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: I wanted the jerk one. I wasn't be gonna read.

775
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna need to have it. That was a joke. Okay.

776
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: That one wasn't a real question. It was it was

777
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: nobody is ever going to answer that one themselves. You

778
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 1: could ask me if Steve's a jerk behind the scenes,

779
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: I want to do it. Yeah. Um, I mean we

780
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: have great guys we travel with and there's a lot

781
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 1: of love and respect and a lot of laughs and stuff.

782
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, we have it out now and then um,

783
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: it's projection. But you're not a jerk though, Steve. I

784
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: mean I can answer that question. No, but we have

785
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: it out now and then and then, uh, you know,

786
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: you hear our podcasts and we often have Rick Smith

787
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: on and me and Rick. I mean it's respectful, but yeah,

788
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: it's like stuff we don't agree on. And I've seen

789
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: Yanni come very rarely, very rarely, I've seen Yanni cracked

790
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: the whip. M hmm. I think what people people want

791
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: to know, it's like it's somebody just an unreasonable jerk

792
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Yeah, like if the person you see

793
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: on the screen is not the same that kind of

794
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. I thought you meant like around Oh,

795
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. I mean, I hope not.

796
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: I don't know who's gonna be able to answer to fact.

797
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: It's your choice, Steve. You can answer if I learned

798
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: that that was true, you know, the deep dark hole

799
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: I was talking about it earlier. I'll answer for Steve.

800
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: He's the same guy in front of the camera and

801
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: the camera yeah, yeah, no, and that's I know that.

802
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: Which one are you gonna do? Johnnie? Uh? What's the

803
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: Saturday morning? The softball was what in the Saturday morning

804
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: looked like oh yeah, Well I can answer the third

805
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: one pretty easily to I'll answer with not much. Um,

806
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 1: I own a house of the bank owns my house.

807
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: But I am the you know, I do pay a

808
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: mortgage figure. I'm kind of successful there. I do flat

809
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: out on a tooth ou into Toyota ton druns and yeah,

810
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: have two trucks. Yeah I do. For a while, you're

811
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: three trucks, which is like it's extreme. Well, but I

812
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: like to cook up my kids. Um consider the weekends.

813
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: They think that's when they get to pour syrup on things,

814
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: and um, so I will usually over on the weekend.

815
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: I will make something of that nature that they can

816
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: pour syrup on in the morning and uh maybe cook

817
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: up some bacon on the side. And you know, I

818
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: don't know, the hang out with the kids. You know,

819
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: it's good. All right, Well, hey guys, really thanks for

820
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on. This was This is not a

821
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: normal bear hunting magazine podcast. I mean no, no, you

822
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: might have a bunch of people get irritated because there's

823
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: not a lot of bear hunting tips. You know what.

824
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: We talked about bear hunting like once every five episodes.

825
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: I mean we're always throwing we were always throwing in

826
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: some we're always talking about bear but you know what,

827
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: it's all from the brain of a bear hunter. Yeah,

828
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: as so this is like just the simple fact that

829
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: it came out of your mouth means it's bear hunting

830
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: information because you like the hunt bearss Now. I think

831
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: it's a strategy that you have. That's that's what's turning

832
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: me into a bear hunter. You know, you're not overly

833
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: pushy flirts with the edge. Yeah, you know, I think

834
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: if more uh people did that with religion, the approach

835
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: that you're taking with me with bear hunting, if they

836
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: took that with religion, I might be more into taking religion.

837
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 1: But God, that stuff seems to be just like crammed

838
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: a little bit too much in my face and always

839
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: like nah, I see what you're saying. You know, you know,

840
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: I think I would bet that, uh fifty percent of

841
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: our listenership is never bear hunted. I mean of the

842
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: people that consistently listen. I hear that all the time.

843
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: Guys say, man, I don't even bear hunt, but no,

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Speaker 1: not truly, thank you, And man, this guy the interview

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Speaker 1: of stuff to talk to you guys about and uh

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Speaker 1: and man, it's no secret I have tons of respect

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Speaker 1: for both of you, truly do and did before I

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Speaker 1: knew you. Uh So, anyway, I hope open out of

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Speaker 1: my questions were disrespectful, other than how much money you have? Um,

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Speaker 1: but show you what's in my pocket right now? Ye

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Speaker 1: how much money? No? No, it's so stupid. People think.

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Speaker 1: People think anybody that has any starm sort of status

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Speaker 1: and whatever field. I mean, you could be like, you know,

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Speaker 1: the most the best coon dog trainer in Arkansas, and

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Speaker 1: people think you have money. You know what's interesting gone

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Speaker 1: net Worth. Well, it's funny is For a long time

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Speaker 1: And they would bounce back and forth. And it used

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Speaker 1: to make give my wife a tremendous amount of anxiety

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Speaker 1: because when I wanted to know who you're like, that

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Speaker 1: the most like my name and then what's the thing

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Speaker 1: knife and wife and we used to laugh about it,

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Speaker 1: like the knife for wife and I remember the first

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Speaker 1: time I want pointed out to me that whole like

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Speaker 1: net Worth thing pops up. But then someone tell me, like, dude,

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Speaker 1: every person like like Steve Jobs, it'll be like it'll

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Speaker 1: it's great a great way. Yeah, I've never done this,

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Speaker 1: but it auto fills with um rifle, Instagram T shirt

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Speaker 1: and heart because your heart problem. Yeah, because people, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they love talking about my heart. Wow, it's funny, or

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Speaker 1: maybe it means a lot of heart. It's got big heart,

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Speaker 1: big heart. Well that's funny. Thanks you guys. Keep the

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Speaker 1: wild places wild because that's where the bears live. There's

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Speaker 1: a good point. They do like them wild places. They

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Speaker 1: do for sure. They really just kind of have a

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Speaker 1: way of finding them very much. So they'll get on

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Speaker 1: the white till train soon though. Who's that the bears

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Speaker 1: feeding people's backyards. I don't think you'll realize what just happened.

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Speaker 1: That was the end of the show.