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Speaker 2: Real, let's just keep it real straight shoye with no Chase,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get a little bit rougher.

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Speaker 3: I'm here for it.

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Speaker 2: Those who really believed in the American process, all of

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Speaker 2: us Street shot No Chase with your girl Tensel figure

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Speaker 2: out on The Black Effect podcasting at Work Network.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, hello. Oh, let me do my

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Speaker 3: miss and mister Morgan is here.

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Speaker 2: Y'all send some love shout out to the man that

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Speaker 2: wrote all of s w v's top hits.

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Speaker 1: Is in the building. Hey, this is Hey. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you said it for real, it was an

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Speaker 1: accidental one. No, of course, of course.

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Speaker 4: First of all, let me tell you something. I really

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Speaker 4: you period, Let's get that.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, are you kidding me? Did you see

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Speaker 1: my page? How much should I be talking? You're the

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Speaker 1: only people person I know on this whole internet that

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Speaker 1: not only that's so nice. So that's just that's real, real,

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Speaker 1: real talk, Like I'm serious. So I know, I'm so honored.

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Speaker 3: That's so nice. You know, you know, you never know

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Speaker 3: who is watching or who is listening, or who is what.

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Speaker 2: And I need to tell you, you know, while we

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Speaker 2: have you your gift, you know has and just no

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Speaker 2: cat but you know this, but your gift has absolutely

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Speaker 2: changed the world, you know.

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Speaker 4: I was so yeah, oh no question, oh wow for my.

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Speaker 2: Generation especially but in high school when we were learning cosmetology,

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Speaker 2: like week was literally the theme song like every single day,

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Speaker 3: But no, it's I mean, there's no question about it.

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Speaker 2: It really was the soundtrack of you know, our lives

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Speaker 2: in A in A And I'm not saying that in

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Speaker 2: reality show and people are going back and forth on

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Speaker 2: you know, who had the biggest record and who made

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Speaker 2: and sw V, I mean truly had a major, major

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Speaker 3: School, we would listen to the record.

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Speaker 2: From beginning to end, and not even that even when

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Speaker 2: you look at you know, Coco's nails and how everybody

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Speaker 2: I remember during that time, people wanted to have that look.

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Speaker 2: They wanted to have the nails, they wanted to have

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Speaker 3: Scene and she had an impact on the right same time,

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Speaker 2: You know, I love escape, but I didn't. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: everybody starts singing, and I love trying to out sing

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Speaker 3: We're gonna see I really get to get to that.

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Speaker 4: Hot note, Like that is the song that just means

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Speaker 3: You know, that said so much about love and how

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Speaker 1: Blige.

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Speaker 2: So but I saw you all my lungs, like wow,

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Speaker 2: because you're just the people that you know have impacted

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Speaker 3: It is truly, you know, a blessing.

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Speaker 2: And really I knew I would be on a microphone,

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Speaker 3: I didn't know it was going to lead me to politics.

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Speaker 4: And it's just.

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Speaker 2: God's way of showing that you can rock the microphone

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Speaker 2: in different ways. It doesn't have to be singing or rapping.

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Speaker 2: It can really be in politics. Because I look at

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Speaker 1: As absolutely absolutely and actually to be honest, more important

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Speaker 1: My page has quietly got more more important people, and

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Speaker 1: But like, yo, I didn't know. I know you did music,

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Speaker 2: Right example, shout out to a little real that just

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Speaker 2: so does he have time to read everything from beginning

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Speaker 3: You know, on every issue and not saying that he

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Speaker 2: I talked about this at the Revolt summit that artists

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Speaker 2: What I was saying was it's important that we have

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Speaker 2: like Charlemage and I've been working together for years, If

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Speaker 3: If I'm focused on everything in politics, how can I

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Speaker 2: And I try to tell people that when they say, oh,

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Speaker 2: And I say, no, it's not about that, because if

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Speaker 2: But it's important that we work with each other in

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Speaker 1: Yes, can I say this, I just said something yesterday

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Speaker 4: All you got to do is maybe just some concerts,

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Speaker 2: Orlando, Florida is my political stopping ground. So I know

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Speaker 2: It's always the majority of this country. If people lean

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Speaker 4: And you understand gang banging.

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Speaker 2: Bloods were always the minority, just like Republicans, red are

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Speaker 4: It means that it is all dumb.

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Speaker 4: How do I whatever?

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Speaker 2: And it might be just that one message, that one

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Speaker 3: You don't know what I'm going through.

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Speaker 1: You don't know.

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Speaker 3: You know that I don't have my parents. You don't

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Speaker 2: And so when we love on each other, shout out

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Speaker 2: All the things that you and I could have done

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Speaker 1: my friends in the business may be like, why are

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Speaker 1: you talking to these people? You don't have to talk

440
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Speaker 1: to these people, but I will get they tell your

441
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Speaker 1: ass down to the ground. Just I love that, and

442
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Speaker 1: I think that don't know That's what I love about Gauge,

443
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Speaker 1: I think because and I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I tell you I.

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Speaker 2: Engaged, I had very productive conversation, but I would get

447
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Speaker 2: petty as hell.

448
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Speaker 3: I'll said the dozens I do all that.

449
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Speaker 1: But but and I love that of it because for me,

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Speaker 1: for me, that's the really yeah, Like I mean, that's

451
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Speaker 1: the that's like real life people, and you know what,

452
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Speaker 1: like maybe that's what I keep going back to get

453
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Speaker 1: When I was like checking you out for the very

454
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Speaker 1: first time, I was like, man, nobody's talking to like tea.

455
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Speaker 4: I'm I'm just loving it like I've been loving it

456
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Speaker 4: for years.

457
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Speaker 1: But like you like my work.

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Speaker 2: And five in the chat, if you are an s

459
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Speaker 2: w V fan, in case you're just now joining us,

460
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Speaker 2: let's just run down the resume quickly on the song

461
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Speaker 2: so that we can so people can know who they

462
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Speaker 2: who they're actually talking to.

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Speaker 1: Uh, that's what you were, okay, I wrote week I

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Speaker 1: wrote I'm sing to you rain right here anything. You're

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Speaker 1: always on my mind. I'm the guy singing that one

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Speaker 1: with them. Uh, let's talk about my stuff. That's what

467
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Speaker 1: I was gonna teest you on TC. Yeah, did you

468
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Speaker 1: know that I'm on Khalid on the way I did

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Speaker 1: that with Khalid. Yeah, did you know I'm gonna drinking

470
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Speaker 1: when I did a drunk called nine on that? Uh, yes, ma'am.

471
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Speaker 1: Did you know? Did you know I'm on Novice King's

472
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Speaker 1: Disease too with the feature and me and Chi called

473
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Speaker 1: No Phony Love produced by me? And uh, did you

474
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Speaker 1: know I'm gonna tam My Bracton's album with a joint

475
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Speaker 1: called never From for a few years back then. While

476
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Speaker 1: people don't know, that's a dope ballot. Check it out.

477
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Speaker 1: All these things I'm telling you you can check out

478
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Speaker 1: on my Apple Music called the Songwriters. It all in

479
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Speaker 1: one place. People don't know I did. Laila Hathaway, Martha

480
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Speaker 1: wash Uh, Saith Evans, I'm on her. One of her

481
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Speaker 1: album is called It's Beauty.

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Speaker 3: The Best of the Best, So.

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Speaker 1: You know what, and I love it because like everybody

484
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Speaker 1: just thinks suggest that that be and it's so Now.

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Speaker 1: I'm really active right now. I've worked with Kanye when

486
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Speaker 1: he did my gospel versions of Rain and Weak and

487
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Speaker 1: Ti Crazy and you feeling like I'm out here, I'm

488
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Speaker 1: not here, and I'm working with the new kids. There's

489
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Speaker 1: this new artist netphert Avannie, she signed a snoop. She's amazing.

490
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Speaker 1: I write with her. There's Jane Hancock who's also signed

491
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Speaker 1: the snoop from Death the New Death Road. There. Jane

492
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Speaker 1: Hancock is one of the dopest ones in the game

493
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Speaker 1: right now. She's from Oakland. That's my people. There's a

494
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Speaker 1: lot going on, man.

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Speaker 2: Now, uh, I know you're not a writer with the

496
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Speaker 2: Writers Strike, but I do want to. I want to

497
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Speaker 2: talk to you a little bit about you know, creatives.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh hell yeah, shout out to Tiffany Tiffany Red

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Speaker 1: and I'm part of the one. She's an advocate for

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Speaker 1: getting our rights, the songwriter's rights. And then so yeah,

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00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: shout out to Tiany Read. People please follow Tiffany Red

502
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Speaker 1: and her movement. She's an amazing So some of.

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Speaker 3: The you know that when when it comes to some

504
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Speaker 3: of the I remember Deon Taylor was on.

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Speaker 2: The Reference Club last yeah, talking about, you know, a

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Speaker 2: union for hip hop, and I know people have talked

507
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Speaker 2: about that before it necessarally went anywhere, and I was like, man,

508
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Speaker 2: that would be just a really dope idea.

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Speaker 3: So tell, since since we have you here, what what

510
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Speaker 3: are some of the challenges as a writer.

511
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Speaker 2: Because you guys are always in the background and and

512
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Speaker 2: people don't really understand, like what's what.

513
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Speaker 3: And I'll just say this little caveat even though it's not,

514
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Speaker 3: it's kind of aligned with it.

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Speaker 2: But I just up a post about people were upset

516
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: that Wendy Williams producer you know, got fired, and so

517
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Speaker 2: I responded to the tweet because they tagged me, and

518
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Speaker 2: I responded to the tweet that people don't understand how

519
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Speaker 2: critical your producer is in TV and radio. I mean

520
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Speaker 2: it's literally people walk in as a as a deal

521
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Speaker 2: package deal, Like if I'm doing something, I have to

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Speaker 2: have my own producer. It is so critical, you know,

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Speaker 2: to make sure that you have your own producers, your

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Speaker 2: own writers. That's very critical on TV radio. So I

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Speaker 2: was telling you that's actually very actually very standard, and

526
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Speaker 2: if they've been able to stay this long, that's a

527
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Speaker 2: good thing because just because you see the outside of

528
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Speaker 2: the show and you enjoy how good the show is

529
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Speaker 2: on the outside, you have no idea like all the

530
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Speaker 2: mechanics that it's required, you know, to make that machine run.

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Speaker 3: And producers are huge.

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Speaker 2: So what that said in the songwriting business, what are

533
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Speaker 2: some of the challenges when you say advocating for songwriting,

534
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Speaker 2: if you have to list like three or four things

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Speaker 2: on challenges that you guys go through and having a

536
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Speaker 2: lack of representation or if you do have representation, tell

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Speaker 2: us about.

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Speaker 1: That right now. You did your dead on. Like Tiffany

539
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Speaker 1: just say on her page the other day, look at

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Speaker 1: how having a union has made their position just strong

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Speaker 1: just having the union itself.

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Speaker 4: In other words, songwriter.

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Speaker 1: Can't seem to pull it together enough to put ourselves

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Speaker 1: in the union like that and get ourselves together like

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Speaker 1: that collective work, because if you don't do it, you're

546
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Speaker 1: not gonna have the power. It seems like we, like

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Speaker 1: she just said, look at the example of what just

548
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Speaker 1: happening when when the when the studios came to the

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Speaker 1: table and the studios wouldn't budget collectively, the writers were

550
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Speaker 1: able to say, well, okay, then we're not gonna work

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Speaker 1: and we don't have that power.

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Speaker 4: So in other words, if you don't come together as

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Speaker 4: a whole to hold do.

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Speaker 3: You think do you think it's silos? Do you think.

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Speaker 1: I think? I think because you music, unlike writing for

556
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Speaker 1: television and those kinds of things, music is so divided

557
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Speaker 1: by genre that's that's the thing. So for example, it

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Speaker 1: would have to be the R and B and the

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Speaker 1: hip hop writers, with the rock writers, with the pop writers,

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Speaker 1: with the K pop writers, all song writers, somebody, and

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Speaker 1: Tiffany's trying so hard to do this, to bring the

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Speaker 1: consciousness of it into one place in a good place.

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Speaker 1: Good thing to do it in is what's happening in DC.

564
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Speaker 1: They're literally trying to change the laws. Spotify them are

565
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: trying to change these laws to where they don't have

566
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Speaker 1: to pay us what they just have to pay us.

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Speaker 1: So that's the focus point. To me.

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Speaker 4: The focal point is do you want to get paid

569
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Speaker 4: a fair wage?

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Speaker 1: Yes or no? So if that's yes, then somebody has

571
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Speaker 1: got to pull us together, all the genres together to

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Speaker 1: make that.

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Speaker 3: Does all the gens star with one and those who continued,

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Speaker 3: I think, you.

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Speaker 1: Know what, but deal you know what's crazy? Like think

576
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: about it in terms of the of the writers.

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Speaker 4: They don't break their things down in the genre. It's

578
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Speaker 4: just writers.

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Speaker 1: So I think it has to be enough of a

580
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Speaker 1: powerful movement that and I got to put the country

581
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Speaker 1: writers in there because those are some of them.

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Speaker 4: You know, those are some of the strongest writers there there.

583
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Speaker 1: Are, So I feel like it has to be all

584
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Speaker 1: these genres coming together for them to take us seriously.

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Speaker 1: And really if they thought you ain't getting another song

586
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Speaker 1: or track until.

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Speaker 2: We can and so so what that said so now

588
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: is you know movements are usually you know, sparked out

589
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 2: of a reaction to an action. And so now with

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Speaker 2: AI now being used more and you know, artificial intelligence

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Speaker 2: for those that don't know that, are writing scripts and

592
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: writing songs all of that stuff, where do you think

593
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Speaker 2: that would be a good Do you think AI could

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Speaker 2: write a song like they could like they're writing these

595
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Speaker 2: scripts or what?

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Speaker 3: How does that affect the writing the song business?

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Speaker 4: I think it's a disaster.

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Speaker 1: He's taking the actual human soul out of the work

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Speaker 1: and that's the most scariest thing to me.

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Speaker 4: And these and I use trembling. That's an example. He

601
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 4: just did a thing with Biggie.

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Speaker 1: Did you see that? Okay? So he tended to check

603
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: it out timbling just did ah. He always wanted to

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Speaker 1: work with Biggie, So he took this AI thing and

605
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: had a thing do a Biggie thing.

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Speaker 4: And and and the comments, man, I was looking at

607
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 4: the comments, are not feeling that?

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Speaker 1: No? Because it's like listen, man had a spirit and

609
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Speaker 1: a soul. That's what we love about Biggie. You can't

610
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: take that. You can't.

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Speaker 4: Oh it is creepy.

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00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: Only is it creepy? It's absolutely and the antithesis of

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Speaker 1: why we love people in artistry and writing, the reason

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00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: why Okay, can I hear something? A lot of people

615
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: out here do a lot of producers like me, do

616
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: song packs today, like they give the hell of what

617
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: they do in one place that you can go purchase it,

618
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: like whether my key, my vocals, like you can buy

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Speaker 1: it in this path.

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Speaker 4: I've never done it because I'm like, that's like giving

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Speaker 4: my soul away.

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Speaker 1: Like when you're talking to me and I'm talking to

623
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Speaker 1: ut and I hear you who you are as an individual.

624
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to crack a joint for you individually. I'm

625
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: not gonna put all my joints somewhere and outsource myself

626
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Speaker 1: where somebody can be like, oh.

627
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Speaker 4: You want a Brian Morgan joint, get this sound pack.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no,

629
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Speaker 4: no no no, because why do I exist?

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Speaker 2: And I'm gonna look at that Biggie thing, because that's

631
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Speaker 2: interesting that Timberlham would do that. And it's interesting also

632
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: it seemed like if he was gonna do that, he

633
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Speaker 2: would probably do it with maybe Well he worked with

634
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Speaker 2: a lea, so I guess he wouldn't do anything again.

635
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Speaker 4: But number one, well, that was in the comments A

636
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 4: lot people were like, and don't come.

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00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: For a lead with that. They were on it, they

638
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: were already they were like, they went, right, we're you.

639
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: It's like.

640
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 3: And then you know how black people are, you know

641
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 3: how we are at least most of us about the

642
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: day it too like it said, like, let's let that rest,

643
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: Like what are you doing?

644
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: You know? Because the people people.

645
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: Remember they did then perform.

646
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: It and all of this, we don't want that. It's

647
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Speaker 1: not it's not natural. Number one is not natural. It

648
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Speaker 1: is dark and and to me, the whole letter.

649
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Speaker 4: A, the artificial part of it is the problem.

650
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: That's my problem with it is artificial.

651
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: Maybe you know, maybe that'll be something that can get

652
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: you guys, you know, on on the same page, because

653
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Speaker 2: that's one of the things that I covered earlier this

654
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Speaker 2: week on Front Page News.

655
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Speaker 3: They are asking for a protection, you know, that's what

656
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: that that that the writers are asking for.

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00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because they sort that material to you, They're

658
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Speaker 1: not just pulling it out they ask They're sorting it

659
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: from what writers had written. The same thing with Biggie.

660
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: The reason why Tim was able to do a Biggie

661
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: thing is because they took the computer takes analyze.

662
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 4: Biggie's lyrics and then spit it back back at him

663
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 4: as what they.

664
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: Thought he's his style is. To me, that is the

665
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: most soul fucking crazy, scary, unnatural ship ever. And I'm

666
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: gonna tell you this. When I first saw Tim's post

667
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: of it, I understood where he was coming from. He

668
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: was from a place of I always wanted to work

669
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: with big ever got to right, and I got it

670
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: and I and I watched that video and I was

671
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: I was feeling him, like, look, okay, Tim, you're feeling

672
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: that You're feeling okay. And then when I looked at

673
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: them comments, I was like, oh, like, I want you

674
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: to see when you see it. The people went crazy yo.

675
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: And I get it because they're like, yo, you if

676
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: I die, I.

677
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 4: Don't want somebody resurrecting me in the form of some artificials.

678
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: No way, no way, thin. I spent too much time

679
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: trying to be the realist, motherfucker, I can be for

680
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: you to do.

681
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: And then just speaking of we brought him up and

682
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: you know, you were talking about how do we get

683
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: artists together and all the you know, working with each

684
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: other's platforms. That is something that I would love, you know,

685
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: and I've said it multiple times, you know, with them

686
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: hosting a versus of you know, and when you lend

687
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: your platform to all of these other things. You know,

688
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: one time, I remember Erica Badu said it once. She

689
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: was like, if you just do one record, just one

690
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: record on your whole album, that just at least, you know,

691
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: kind of bounces things or centers things, or you know,

692
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: giving other people opportunities to be heard.

693
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 4: You know, it does so much.

694
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 3: And so I've been asking.

695
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, you know, people say, well, you could

696
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: just do it yourself, Like, well, my platform's o there

697
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: be That's why versus is versus. And I said, why

698
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: don't you do it versus? Then have me and two

699
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: or three others against, you know, two or three others

700
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: are not against in a way of a you know, debate,

701
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: but let it be a debate, but actually talk about ideas.

702
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: That is how you really change the culture when you

703
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: talk about for the culture, and you're not looking at

704
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: you know what our role is. And I'm not just

705
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: saying me, I'm just talking about in general. You know,

706
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: people don't think about how important they need us until

707
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: they get a case. People don't think about how important

708
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: they need us until you know, now you gotta sue

709
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: Tupac's family suing for rights, and.

710
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 3: Marvin Gaye's family and George Clinton's family.

711
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: You're not thinking about that, or you're not thinking about

712
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,959
Speaker 2: like when I talk about Deon Taylor all the time,

713
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: you're not thinking about the politics involved, and he does,

714
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: but just use him a example the politics involved in

715
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: making a movie and being able to have muscle. It's

716
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: called muscle and hustle. And so when you have your hustle,

717
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: you have all the hustle in the world, the money,

718
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: the di and this and that. But when you put

719
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: muscle behind it, a movement behind it, people knowing that

720
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: you got a movement this point with you, it does

721
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: move a little difference because fear is the greatest motivator.

722
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: So it does move a little bit different because the

723
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: people that follow me or follow people, and I say follow,

724
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: aunt mean in a way like you know, I'm the pastor,

725
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: but people that follow my work, they're they're a little

726
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: bit more committed. It may not be the two point

727
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: million that somebody may get for being an entertainer somewhere,

728
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: but the one hundred thousand, twenty thousand, or probly whatever

729
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: it is that somebody like me will have. You're talking now,

730
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: you're talking about soldiers, you're talking about your return is

731
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: going to be so much higher because people that follow

732
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 2: me don't just follow me because I'm cute, which I am.

733
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: Cue by the way, but thank yeah, that was me.

734
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: Giving you a list to go ahead and say yes, yes,

735
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 3: But you know it's people follow me because they want

736
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: the information.

737
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: So the engagement, the return of the engagement is going

738
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: to be a little bit more productive because to get

739
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 2: people to get involved, I may have to talk to

740
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 2: ten thousand people. Out of ten thousand, I'm lucky if

741
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: I get one hundred out of the one hundred and

742
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: fifty may show up and out of the fifty, twenty

743
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: five may do the work. That's how hard it is.

744
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: So we have to cast our net so wide just

745
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: to be able to get all return.

746
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: Ge do you like what I do on my pace? Oh?

747
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 4: You're never too much.

748
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: Anyday people look to people are doing not enough, So

749
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: you can never be too much. When people tell me, oh,

750
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 2: you too much, you're doing too much, well that's because

751
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: you're doing too lett. If you could step up and

752
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: do more than I wouldn't have to do so much.

753
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 2: So there's never gonna be too much because the conversation

754
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: always needs to get sparked. There's always going to need

755
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 2: to be something. And most of the time, you know,

756
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: like I tell people and I do a funny joke,

757
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: you know, like I did a joke. Oh man, we like, Hey,

758
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: ninety eight percent of my content is on something serious.

759
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: I need the joke and laugh too. So because of

760
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: who you are, the majority of what you do is

761
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: what you do. But every now and then slip in

762
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 2: that other thing, that other conversation.

763
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I do on my page. That's the

764
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 4: funny you say that, that's what my page is.

765
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: I'll do a little bit of music, I'll do a

766
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: little bit of humor, and then I hit you with

767
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: this is what you need to know this though this week.

768
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 4: This is what's happening this week in our lives, right,

769
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 4: you feel me?

770
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: I got a tide far for you lad a lot,

771
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: So I got a special thing I want to share

772
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: with you that because I know you wonder what I

773
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: got coming out of what I'm doing. I'm gonna tell

774
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: you something that I want to share with you and

775
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: especially that WB fans. I got this incredible EP coming

776
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: where I've taken all my hits I have today's aren't

777
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: doing them t ridiculously. It's fire. So I can't wait

778
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: to get to have you come over and then we

779
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: can also talk about tracks and I can play your stuff.

780
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: I need you to kind. I gotta interact with in

781
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 1: person to get to see what feeling. It ain't gonna

782
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: I can't do a whole lot of emailing and all that.

783
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: We can do that in a person and really do it.

784
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: But what I want you to hear as a fan

785
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: that you are of s WV. I want you to

786
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: hear this EP and then and then and then we

787
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: got some bonuses. I gotta unreleased joints WV that the

788
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: fans been one called what you Can Do that's gonna

789
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: be on there.

790
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 4: I got a brand new joint I'm about to do

791
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 4: with that s WV that they asked me to do

792
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 4: that I have.

793
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's a whole nother dumb but it's a

794
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: new WV record that we're doing right.

795
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 4: And then but the but do you like DJ Martin?

796
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: I know you probably like PJ. You know who that is.

797
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: If you don't, you gonna find out. He's in my

798
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: room five in job.

799
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 4: But he has a solo bift. He's one of the

800
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 4: dopest dopus.

801
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: He did always on my mind.

802
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 3: So I got to get to shut up to Marcella.

803
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: He's my number one line pusher.

804
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: He's in the comments and I'm telling you, you want

805
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 2: to know somebody behold you down, holding down there so

806
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: be After every show he was over there arguing his

807
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: ass off.

808
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 4: You know about it?

809
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: I love it? Got out? What's up? Okay, So we'm

810
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: gonna get you over here, so you're gonna understand when

811
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: I play you what I got. And then but then

812
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm looking up. I'm trying to look up with Larry Jackson.

813
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: I don't help me put it out, do you know Larry?

814
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: So so this is the thing, and I'm in the

815
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: middle trying to get the business part of it done.

816
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: And then Hebro is a good friend. Hebro is like

817
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: my like my kid brother me and Abro came up

818
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: in Sacramento together. I need you to help me get

819
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: to ask Charlemagne to holler at me. I'm gonna I

820
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: should be on the break. Absolutely. We don't want to

821
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: promote this when I get it. Yeah, okay, okay, So

822
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: that's all what I'm telling you right now.

823
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 4: Let me You know, I can't speak for obviously you know,

824
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 4: the producers do what they do.

825
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: But for sure, I definitely, you know, do what and

826
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: to say, you know, let let's make this conversation happen,

827
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 2: because again, what you've done for the culture, and again

828
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: people just don't understand the writing side of it. And

829
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: I don't follow you know a lot of writers and

830
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: entertainment because again I only got so much time, so

831
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: I don't know.

832
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: You know, you have to really delve into that.

833
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: But I know, you know, writers are just critically important,

834
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 2: you know, to without a writers nothing, you can have

835
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: all the talent in the world.

836
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, ma'am, you don't have nothing without that's it.

837
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: I always do this to females, especially if you had

838
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: to chea rain or weak.

839
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very quick about it. Give me another two

840
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 3: to choose from.

841
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 4: Let's play a.

842
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: Game okay, right here, human nature and you ain't even

843
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: hesitating that all mm hmm.

844
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 3: I'm going to ask you that why you No, You're

845
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: just say I'm so into you.

846
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 4: You said, yeah, I said, right here, I'm going to you.

847
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I'm say I would say, I.

848
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: Will say I'm so into you because even now, even

849
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: that song, now, if you if you're if you're feeling

850
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: your lover or you're feeling whatever, and you're whatever, I

851
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 2: can still listen to that.

852
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: I'm so into you.

853
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm gonna do.

854
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I literally when you think about the lyrics

855
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: of that song, you know, and and you think about

856
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: why you're with someone and why you probably shouldn't be

857
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: and why why don't make sense?

858
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, yeah, that's exactly what it is.

859
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: Even though, by the way, I'm not toppings, but but

860
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: if you've ever if you've ever dealt.

861
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 3: With any type of uh, those songs resonate with me.

862
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: Because if you've ever dealt with me, with men with

863
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 2: any challenges and any type of like, man, I can't

864
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: find fuck with this, nigga, but I do fuck with this.

865
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: So those types of songs that are something like twenty

866
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: one questions or something like Sierra when she Yeah, yeah, Sierra,

867
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 2: what's that one?

868
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: I love with her?

869
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: And fifty cent that's one of my favorite her fifty.

870
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: Cent, the real one. No, You're right and Mark I

871
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: had thrown out album cut names people people do like

872
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: fine Time. That's one of my joints I did that.

873
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: They didn't release on the second album.

874
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 3: Don't know if you know that because I'm gonna go

875
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: crazy around.

876
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 4: I know the song with.

877
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: It in the West and on the chest Can't Leave

878
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: Them Alone, Can't Leave Alone? Yeah, So any any any

879
00:40:54,960 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 2: song like that, even if we talk about uh, Adam,

880
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: what's that song that she had?

881
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: This old.

882
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 4: Old school in the.

883
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: Adam James?

884
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 1: This song not last?

885
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: It's another one last Now come come on right you

886
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 2: a song right, hold on. I gotta look this up

887
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: right quick because its gonna drive me crazy. It's it's

888
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: a song like that that's just.

889
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, no, no, I'm tripping.

890
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: Oh ye, no way. Oh? Did you know I worked

891
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: with you didn't know? I worked with a Reatha in

892
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: the mid nineties. I went to the George three songs

893
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: with her Clive David. Yeah, so.

894
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: Like that, that's you know, that's that's just trying to

895
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 2: understand why you're in love and why it may not

896
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: make somebody why you know, I'm home?

897
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: You know.

898
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 2: Really my favorite genre is the blues, So so if

899
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: I were to talk about when it gets into that

900
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: type of stuff like the Betty Wrights and the Millie

901
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 2: Jackson's and the you know, after the Pain and anything

902
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: like that, those songs resonate with me very well.

903
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 3: So that's why I would I would choose that one

904
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: over the other.

905
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 4: Right here is a good one.

906
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: But you know, somebody question why why there's more people

907
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: in this line? Yeah, I'm gonna tell Michael. I mean,

908
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: I think people get caught up. I guess with numbers.

909
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 4: I don't know.

910
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 3: I don't know if the algorithms. Sometimes the algorithms pop up,

911
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 3: sometimes not.

912
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: But what I tell people is just be glad you're

913
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 1: in this life.

914
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 3: I learned about who else.

915
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: Was I don't know. Man were so caught up on

916
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 2: like who liking and who clicking, and who's sharing and

917
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: who and again that's another point going to what I

918
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: was saying a little while ago.

919
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: You were watching my work and I had no clue.

920
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: I've been in radio on television over ten plus years,

921
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: and I would do shows on blog talk radio with

922
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: five people listening and ten people listening.

923
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 3: It never mattered to me what the numbers were.

924
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: It's always mattered to what I was saying, what I

925
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 2: was talking about my purpose, because you never know who's

926
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 2: listening down the road. So for anybody that who asked

927
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: that question, you're probably somebody, not in a negative way,

928
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: but you're probably somebody that makes a lot of their

929
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: choices based off of who's watching, who's saying, who's this,

930
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: who's that. That's one reason why oftentimes, you know, I'll

931
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: go live with that show on my face.

932
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 3: I do that for a reason.

933
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: I want people to hear what I'm saying, and people

934
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: need to be entertained all the time and look at

935
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: me and hey, I like it listening today are like

936
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 2: you tee that, like your eyes.

937
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: Like to this, like that.

938
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: They're not hearing what I'm saying. So I much rather

939
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: have five people actually listening to me than fifty people

940
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: watching me. So so that's where my mindset always is.

941
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: I can take you say any question, I can take

942
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: in turn turn into a purpose because a lot of

943
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 2: times you're just saying something you don't even really realize,

944
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 2: like why you're saying what you're saying so.

945
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: Right? And I know for a fact I started with

946
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: five thousand followers a couple of years ago, and I

947
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: ain't got a whole lot of followers now. But I

948
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: guarantee you them thirty thirty three thousand that I right

949
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: right right are real ones. Yeah, and the ones And

950
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: because I haven't done any fake bullshit and none of

951
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: that stuff that I know for a fact, these thirty

952
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: three thousands. Any by the way, you know, the algorithm

953
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: doesn't lehing right. All your followers see your ship, which

954
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: is fucked up.

955
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 4: But I guess it's not.

956
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 3: About again caught up on the followers again.

957
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 2: Another thing they was going back and forth with on

958
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 2: the reality show followers versus best songs or impact. See,

959
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 2: it's not always about how many people follow you, because

960
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: if that's the case, every time you put out a

961
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: record it would be a hit record. The question is

962
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: where is the loyalty who made the biggest impact in

963
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 2: your life? Who is it that's going to see you know,

964
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: actually gonna say I've been to SWB's concert before, I'm

965
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: gonna go again nowaday on tour. So it's about it's

966
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: about the impact when I hear it, what does it

967
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: remind me of?

968
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 3: What does it take me back to?

969
00:44:59,480 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: What is it?

970
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 3: What of them we get?

971
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 2: People get so caught up on followers and who watching None, no, no,

972
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: And I said in policies all the time, I'm not

973
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: interested in the allies or occomplices are like soldiers.

974
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 3: That's why the Marine says it's three good to find

975
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,479
Speaker 3: a few good men. The Marines is the toughest branch

976
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 3: in United States Armed Forces. Why because everybody can't be

977
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 3: a marine. If you can't be a marine.

978
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: You can go to the army.

979
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: If you can't be an army, you can go to

980
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 2: the Air Force. If you can't do the Air Force,

981
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: you can go to the Navy. That's the protocol. That's

982
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 2: the hierarchy in our mind.

983
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 3: I was in the Air Force, but it was because

984
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: I couldn't take take.

985
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 2: To be an MP in the Army. If I could

986
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 2: have did army, I would have did army. But I

987
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: could only do the Air Force based on because my

988
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: hip fine and my neck and all of that. It

989
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: deemed I was very small, but my tape measurements. I

990
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: couldn't get the tape for an MP. So I went

991
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 2: to the next best thing. So it's a reason why

992
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 2: infantry is set up a certain way. At least in politics.

993
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: I would rather have like Gideon's army three hundred over

994
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: ten thousand. I would rather have a few that's gonna

995
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: move forward over a bunch that does nothing. So when

996
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 2: you are moving in purposely, if.

997
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 3: You're an artist, policies, whatever it is you want. If

998
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 3: you're an Arthur, you want loyal people that every time

999
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 3: your joint come out, they gonna rock with you.

1000
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 4: I only need that's right, right, You're right.

1001
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: Here's why at the end of the day, I know

1002
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: this for a fact for the last I'm gonna say

1003
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: eighteen years. And that's a lot almost twenty way back

1004
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: with when CHINGI covered Rain and did pulling me back

1005
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 1: every time I try to leave. That was two thousand

1006
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: and four, two thousand and five, right, and then I

1007
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: did the week on Jojo Little White Girl Jojo. This

1008
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: is two thousand and five. That's already a decade ago,

1009
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: a couple, you know, almost twenty years ago. But the

1010
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: deal is even way back then, s wv's impact was clear,

1011
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 1: and so since then, t every single week when I'm

1012
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: looking at this Internet somebody's always doing Week, somebody's always

1013
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: doing rain My Universal, my Publishing. They're always hit me

1014
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: with requests for everybody trying to use these records. And

1015
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 1: then I look at the young producers that are producing

1016
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: Beats and Chris Brown and everybody who's got a joint

1017
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: out right now using always on my mind what with

1018
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: young belief that was called the bad sex see mother fucker, Yeah,

1019
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: the baddest one.

1020
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 4: That's always on my mind.

1021
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: I know what these producers are using. They're using my

1022
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: ship over and there take you to that you that

1023
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: so look on the real on the reel though, and

1024
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, and it's not a flex, it's not

1025
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: a flex. That's just what they're doing. That's where the

1026
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: culture is. You can't make this ship up.

1027
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 4: You can't make people want to go use your ship.

1028
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: They do it because you know why. And I think

1029
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 1: it goes back to what you were saying about impact.

1030
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: They don't sample them this child, they don't sample TLC,

1031
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: they don't involt, and it's is not a disc. They

1032
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: don't escape, they don't none of those joints. Why to

1033
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: keep coming back sampling SWV over and over, reinterpretate, interpolating, them,

1034
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: or singing the joints on their on their TikTok, or

1035
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: it's saying those records have an impact because I did

1036
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: it out of the spirit.

1037
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 4: Of absolute.

1038
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: The original stuff, right, and so when people go back

1039
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: to it, that's.

1040
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 3: Feeling that's right, you get it on the nail.

1041
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: And that's that's why when I have conversations about like,

1042
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: you know, who's the greatest rapper and things like that,

1043
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: and I tell people I can't have you know, there's

1044
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: always every year the discussion of Tupac and Biggie, and

1045
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 2: I always say, you know, that's going to be different

1046
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: for everybody, because the gold is for you to find

1047
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 2: what the gold is to you.

1048
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 3: But the reason you know that, I look at, Okay, what.

1049
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: Is my favorite I'm i'm I'm I'm weighing heavily on impact,

1050
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 2: not on just you know, sales or who had the

1051
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: better flow or who whatever. And so when we have

1052
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: that debate, it's not me taking one from another, but

1053
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: I look at what Tupac's impact has been to my

1054
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: life because obviously he was conscious and not saying that

1055
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 2: Biggie was not, but he dedicated a lot of his

1056
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 2: time to the consciousness. And you and I loved not

1057
00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 2: only his consciousness but his contradiction in consciousness. How he

1058
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 2: would show that hey is thug life. But then over

1059
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: here Brenda got a baby. How here is you know,

1060
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: I'm talking about some gangster shit. But then right right, so,

1061
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: and I looked at how young he was, and he

1062
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: was younger than what Malcolm X was before Malcolm X

1063
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: became Malcolm X.

1064
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 3: And I listened to what he was talking about, and

1065
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 3: he said, you give me ten years. I have a

1066
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 3: political party.

1067
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: And so they were talking about what I try to

1068
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 2: do in politics, which is bring the streets together. If

1069
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: I started concrete roots. You know, I talked about concrete

1070
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 2: roots when I ran ten years ago, which was aus

1071
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: of Tupac, the rose that grew from concrete, and it

1072
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: was it was really an idea of going beyond what

1073
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: you hear in politics grassroots, but really getting down to

1074
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: the concrete the streets.

1075
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 3: What do they have to say about it? How do

1076
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 3: they want to be a part of it? And he's

1077
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 3: a huge motivation to me in that way.

1078
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 2: So that's gonna be my greatest, you know, but your

1079
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 2: greatest could be whoever for whatever reason. So to me,

1080
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 2: impact is critical and those memories and though you know

1081
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 2: what did that bring back? You know, in cosmetology school,

1082
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 2: I can't forget, you know, yeah, because well, I mean

1083
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: listening to SWV to day. You know, my boyfriend I

1084
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: got a call in cosmetology class that he had passed away.

1085
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: So when you think about those things, like what were

1086
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 2: you doing right before? Like even if you say in bold,

1087
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 2: I remember a friend got killed. This was sixth grade,

1088
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 2: but I remember listening to hold On, I'll never forget.

1089
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 2: I was getting some kool aid after refrigerated great kool aid.

1090
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: My mother always had kool aid in the house. And

1091
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: I had a gray a gray uh radio and in

1092
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: Boat was playing and I was in I was in

1093
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: grade school. It was the first time one, so I

1094
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: knew somebody had got murdered. And I'll never forget because

1095
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 2: I picked up the phone and that song was in

1096
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: the background. So when I say songs are the track

1097
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 2: of your life, I mean it like that moment, what

1098
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: were you doing? What made you think this or that?

1099
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, did you know? Because once

1100
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: you felt with s w V, would we And also

1101
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 2: I was in the choir, so we obviously singing. So

1102
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: week was also a song that we could really practice

1103
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 2: our vocals on and we really you know, get our

1104
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 2: harmony on. That was like the song that to really

1105
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 2: see like if you really are soprano or an auto

1106
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: or whatever. Those you know, those were the songs we

1107
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 2: sang that and you know, boys to men even as females,

1108
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: you know, we still we sing End of the Road,

1109
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 2: especially the end. So as a saying as somebody who

1110
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 2: loved singing, those were songs because again again this ain't

1111
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 2: no shade, but we didn't we didn't use escape as

1112
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 2: songs for harmony and not saying they don't have harmony.

1113
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 2: I'm just saying those who are songs and if you

1114
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 2: have very clear, you know, harmony. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So

1115
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: when you when you when you sing that, sing that.

1116
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 3: Record with your girlfriends.

1117
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, we did it when I did the

1118
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 2: in Atlanta and portiau Wayian was there and Tamika did

1119
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 2: an event for Breonna Taylor and Yandy was there, and

1120
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 2: after we got done with the event, we all sat

1121
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: around the same week.

1122
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, like that's old.

1123
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 3: Look and even my daughter who was fourteen or thirteen

1124
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 3: at the time, she knew the lyrics.

1125
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 2: So that's right, you're telling me something that's changed, like

1126
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: for sure over even generate, because I asked, what are

1127
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: you doing about week?

1128
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: You like mama?

1129
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 4: Everybody no week?

1130
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: Wow? And can I tell you that. Jimmy jan himself,

1131
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: who was very different than mine and one of my mentors,

1132
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: he called me out of the blue one day and

1133
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: he was like, b I was walking through my house

1134
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: and I looked at him. My son was doing a

1135
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: paper on the computer and he kept playing all this

1136
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: SBV stuff. I said, he said, why are you playing

1137
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: all this? I said?

1138
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 4: He said, I'm doing a paper on Brian Alix in

1139
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 4: the morning. What the heck?

1140
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: Wow, Jimmy did that's crazy thiefing me.

1141
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god.

1142
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: And then my friend Bobby rossall Beila, he was riding

1143
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: in his car with his kid and he called me.

1144
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: He's like, man, my kids just like singing all the

1145
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: lymp your joints and he's like ten right.

1146
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 3: And then sometimes music can even be the reverse, like

1147
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 3: where your parents you can get your parents about because

1148
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 3: I'll never forget what's the four one one hund When

1149
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 3: my mother picked me up playing that and I was

1150
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 3: like you like that?

1151
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1152
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 3: I was like you look like that and she like parents.

1153
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 2: Don't understand with will Smith that was her favorite, like

1154
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 2: joint so something exactly. So sometimes it even flips on

1155
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 2: the parents where they'll pick up something. So those are

1156
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 2: the type of records that I'm talking about, you know,

1157
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 2: like what how did?

1158
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: How?

1159
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:45,240
Speaker 2: Was that a life changer? Not just in your daily

1160
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 2: like literally was a part of the daily. But again

1161
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: that's what the nail. Everybody wanted nails like Coco. It

1162
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 2: was all about getting long nails, and then you had

1163
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 2: to go with the whole combat boots and the whole.

1164
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 2: So that's why when they were starting the shade about

1165
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: like stepping up the war drobe and all that, which

1166
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 2: I love. The ladies are now reinventing themselves. Yes to

1167
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: have I love how they themselves. But but just to

1168
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 2: speak to that when I heard that, because again I'm

1169
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: always thinking deep that was to me you didn't understand

1170
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 2: like what that look or maybe you didn't.

1171
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 3: They had to because they were around them.

1172
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: But when I when I heard that, to me, that

1173
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 2: would be like saying, Stevie, wonder you need to step

1174
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: up your shades or something or you know somebody that

1175
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 2: that has If we think about people that have like

1176
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: kind of an iconic. If we say, slick Rick, you

1177
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 2: you need to take off your kango, yeah, your cane

1178
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 2: or your your or or ll why you weren't a cango?

1179
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't right.

1180
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: It wasn't I was getting the fashion of it all,

1181
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 2: you know, and whatever, but understand like what that meant

1182
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 2: to their brand and what that meant to us and

1183
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 2: how that how that that changed women and and what

1184
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 2: we felt and all of that. Because I got I

1185
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: went and bought my black combat boots like real talk.

1186
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,959
Speaker 2: That was really literally that was the look.

1187
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 3: I love it.

1188
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: I love it, man. And you know, it's the funny

1189
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: that you're saying that, because back in real time when

1190
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: that was happening, I remember thinking, you remember TFC yeah,

1191
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: and went sexty. I want my girls to be sexty,

1192
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

1193
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, but hear you talk.

1194
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: No, that's it.

1195
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: Appreciate sexy. Because again, when little Kim came down the road, baby,

1196
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 2: I was a little cam all over. I just knew

1197
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: I was going, that's the one person.

1198
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to to Kim over the

1199
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 3: President of the United States, any president of the United

1200
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 3: States and anything.

1201
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: Yep, that's how much she's in hilarious, But so can

1202
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:46,720
Speaker 1: I tell you that I'm positive for just be because

1203
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: the fact that why I love you, the fact that

1204
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: you just said military, cosmology school and a fourteen year

1205
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: old daughter, I'm done. You are some motherfucking realized and

1206
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: that's why fucks with you. Three of those are the

1207
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: three my deed. I tried to get her to finish costology.

1208
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: You couldn't even finish and do that, like, come.

1209
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 2: On, man, that's a lot then, And you said that

1210
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: because that's what we're talking about yesterday when Edvane k

1211
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 2: Williams on the show and talking about, you know, a

1212
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 2: skill set, and she used cosmonitology as an example. And

1213
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: again you see how policies goes in everything, because that's

1214
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: something to kill a Mike advocates for all the time

1215
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 2: as well and myself.

1216
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 3: So you don't have cosmetology programs like you used to

1217
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 3: in school. My daughter doesn't have it in her school

1218
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 3: and they only have it at a few scattered and

1219
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 3: fifteen and have it. And again, just to take a

1220
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 3: note in what you said, just to make a.

1221
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 2: Point how everything relates to politics and how important it

1222
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 2: is the reason why you know, my mother told me,

1223
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 2: you've got to take cosmetology. Is because she was a cosmetologist.

1224
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 2: Now she worked at but that was not her only hustle.

1225
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: She worked at the news station. She was a second

1226
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 2: terry and at home she would come home and do

1227
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 2: curls and Jerry curls and wait. She sold for a

1228
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 2: bide real estate. She saw herbal like. She did all

1229
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: of those things to make sure that we kept the house,

1230
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 2: you know, kept the house that I still own today

1231
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 2: without it being foreclosed, without having to be on Section eight.

1232
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 2: All those things she did, notary. She opened up her

1233
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 2: own business called Creative Type and Service before King Cooles

1234
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 2: got popular. So she did all of the programs for

1235
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 2: the churches on a weekly basis. She wrote, she typed books.

1236
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 3: She typed one.

1237
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 4: Hundred minutes per hour.

1238
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 2: So I'm said to say that my mother instilled in

1239
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: me to always have a skill out of whatever it

1240
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: is that you're doing, have another hustle.

1241
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 3: Where did she get that from? Her mother was a cosmetologist.

1242
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 3: My mother just turned My grandmother just turned ninety two yesterday.

1243
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 3: She's never for anybody in her life.

1244
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 2: She was a whole life. It got her the ability

1245
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 2: to take care of herself got her first when she

1246
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: was in a really really bad marriage. Really the marriage

1247
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 2: she was able to say, Hey, I'm going to go

1248
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 2: get a house. We're talking about in the fifties where

1249
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 2: the black people didn't get houses at all, and they

1250
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: certainly didn't women. She got her own house. I neificet,

1251
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 2: she owned. She bought it for seventy five hundred dollars.

1252
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 2: I owned that house today. She said, all I need

1253
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 2: to do is have a porch where I can do hair.

1254
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 2: Back then, you did a press and curl for three dollars.

1255
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 2: And if I'm just able to have a house with.

1256
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 3: A porch, I'll move on in life.

1257
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 2: And then she married the grandfather that I known, who

1258
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 2: she was with for thirty plus years until he passed away.

1259
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 3: So I'm saying that to say that cosmetology, what comontology

1260
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 3: meant to me and my mother and my grandmother is

1261
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 3: more than just a cute hairstyle. It was freedom.

1262
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 2: So those are the type of things that I like

1263
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 2: to talk about why politics is important, because it's politics

1264
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: to get these school boards to say, let's teach our

1265
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 2: boys to be you know, what happened to the shop program,

1266
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 2: what happened to commontology program. What happened to having a

1267
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: skill outside of just going to college? You need these

1268
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 2: skills because it's literally can be between life and death.

1269
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, well that I think we just covered almost.

1270
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 3: Let me ask you for permission and you feel free

1271
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 3: to say no. This was such a great, awful conversation.

1272
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 3: Would you mind if I uploaded to my podcast?

1273
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, please do.

1274
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 3: This morning, because I like to do these things every time.

1275
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 2: It's not always a show and interview back and forth,

1276
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 2: but these types of conversations people appreciate and they love

1277
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: and people that didn't get a chance to catch the

1278
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 2: live I certainly you know you gave us some great

1279
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: great sight and we were able to love on each other.

1280
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 3: So guys, let's let us let us before we close.

1281
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 4: Let me say this.

1282
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 2: You know, with a lot of the conversations this week,

1283
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 2: a lot of the divisiveness that you think it is

1284
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 2: on social media, black men, black women women like this,

1285
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 2: and black women don't do this and black men don't

1286
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 2: do this.

1287
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 3: Let this be an example that in.

1288
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: Real life, black men and women do love love on

1289
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 2: each other like we people have to understand that in

1290
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 2: real life, black men and women love on each other

1291
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 2: and I know that for a fact because my page

1292
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 2: is literally fifty one percent men and forty nine percent women.

1293
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 2: So we have to have more real time examples instead

1294
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 2: of just saying, oh, you know they're dividing us, Well,

1295
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 2: you must don't know enough black black men in your life,

1296
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 2: Sais brother. They look at the women, well, you must

1297
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 2: don't know enough black women in your life. Nobody commits

1298
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 2: more to the black man than the black woman. And

1299
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,439
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about as your spouse. I'm talking about

1300
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 2: as your mother, your aunt, your your sister, your friend,

1301
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 2: or whatever. Even if you had a black woman in

1302
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 2: your life that failed you, there was a black woman

1303
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 2: somewhere praying for you.

1304
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 3: Even had a black woman that didn't do what she

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Speaker 3: was supposed to do, there was a black woman that

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Speaker 3: put ten dollars in your tank. Even if it was

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Speaker 3: a black woman. The same thing goes for black men

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 2: Even if that man failed you, your daddy failed you,

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Speaker 2: your husband may have failed you, your boyfriend failed you,

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Speaker 2: you still got a brother somewhere that that uplifted you.

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Speaker 2: Whether they was at your job, whether that was a

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Speaker 2: man that opened up the door for you, whether that

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Speaker 2: was your mechanic around the corner. We have got to

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Speaker 2: I'm preaching now, but we have got to get to

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Speaker 2: the understanding that whoever in life failed you, there's somebody

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Speaker 2: to uplift you. And so we are not uplifting each

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Speaker 2: other and pausing to say, hey, miss Mary, and I

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Speaker 2: appreciate what you put in the game. I appreciate.

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Speaker 3: Let me take a moment to let you know the

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Speaker 3: songs that you wrote with the pen made an impact.

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Speaker 3: In fact, in my poem, I said, write down my

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Speaker 3: vision in the sand, like Jesus didn't spit. I'll make

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Speaker 3: enemies ill, real sick who wanted extoricism shaking fits forget

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Speaker 3: five star. I'm a non plan of universal chick. When

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Speaker 3: you talk about that, see, I understand what writing me

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Speaker 3: the saying.

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Speaker 2: When you're writing, I understand what a communicator is. Abron

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Speaker 2: was the communicator. It wasn't just Moses by elf. He said,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna send you a communicator. I'm gonna send you

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Speaker 2: somebody to know how to talk that talk when we

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Speaker 2: partner with each other. Now you're talking about friending our

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Speaker 2: people for real. But if I don't know who the

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Speaker 2: fath who the Moses is, and you don't know who

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Speaker 2: the communicator is and by first because we're all sitting

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Speaker 2: in our silos, we don't get nowhere.

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Speaker 1: Come on, come on between me and d Wow, we're assent.

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Speaker 3: So you didn't think I knew the benediction one from another?

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Speaker 1: I love.

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Speaker 3: You heard it right here on Straight Shot No Chaser

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Speaker 3: with Tesslin figure Row the one and only and where

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Speaker 3: can they find you? Look you up all of that.

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Speaker 1: on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: is a production of the Black Effect podcast Network. In

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Speaker 2: iHeart Radio, I'm Teslin figure Out and I'd like to

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