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His websites are linked up at 12 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast a m dot com. We're talking a 13 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: little bit about Veta cosmology right now and these vermont as, 14 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: these flying machines. Michael, uh, you were just about to 15 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: tell us about the correlation between them and UFOs. What's happening? Yeah, 16 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: Well you were asking what happens where they go? It 17 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: appears they're they're still around because a lot of the 18 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: descriptions given by modern UFO researchers and eat extraterrestrial researchers 19 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: match up with what these ancient Sanskrit writings were telling 20 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: us about what was going on millions of years ago. 21 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: So you've got these two separate sources of evidence that 22 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: are both independently pointing to the same phenomena, and I 23 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: think that adds credibility to the phenomena. As I was mentioning, Uh, 24 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: you know, when I went to South Africa to speak 25 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: at the UBUNTU fest, I met a UFO researcher, Robert Salis. 26 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: It's a really interesting man. He's been a great guest 27 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: on the program. He went to the Air Force Academy 28 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: he was. He served for seven years in the United 29 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: States Air Force. For some of that time he was 30 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: commander of some CBM missiles with nuclear tipped warheads at 31 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: Maelstrom Air Force Space and Montana and UFOs shut them 32 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: down right. It was absolutely amazing. And he said his 33 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: security people were looking up at the sky and they 34 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: were seeing lights moving around in ways that were just 35 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: physically impossible for any kind of aircraft that we know 36 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: to make these kinds of maneuvers. Things like that. So 37 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: there are the descriptions of the man as in the 38 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: ancient sanscrit writings of India that that match that kind 39 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: of aeronautical behavior. There's a description of the vermona that 40 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: was acquired by a king named Shalva thousands and thousands 41 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: of years ago, and he got it from an extraterrestrial source, 42 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: from the engineer of the forces of darkness in the universe. 43 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: And he used this ve mana to attack the city 44 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: of Dwarka at that time in India, and the people 45 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: who were defending the city, the forces that were defending 46 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: the city said they saw it moving around like a butterfly, 47 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: in other words, making all kinds of zig zags, and 48 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: it was appearing here and there in many different places simultaneously. 49 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: This is just the sort of thing that's reported by 50 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:51,839 Speaker 1: modern UFO researchers. So it's interesting that there's such parallels 51 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: between what modern UFO researchers are reporting and the descriptions 52 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: that we find of such things in these very ancient 53 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: writings from India. Michael. When Robert Oppenheimer and his team 54 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: were building the atomic bomb, he cited ancient texts which 55 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: depicted what one could construe to be a nuclear war. Yes, 56 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: he was reciting some passages from the Bagavad Gita and 57 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: the Maha Barata. In addition to being a great physicist, 58 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: he was also a student of the ancient Sanskrit writings 59 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: of India, and these writings contained descriptions of a weapon 60 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: called the Brahmastra, which when it's used, it's described as 61 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: as if you had thousands of sons all concentrated in 62 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: one place, in other words, extreme heat, extreme radiation, extreme light. 63 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: And so when he was Appenheimer was asked, what were 64 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: you thinking about when you saw the first atomic bomb 65 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: tested at Alamgardo in New Mexico, And he said, I 66 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: don't know what others were thinking, but I was thinking 67 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: of what I read in these ancient Sanskrit writings about 68 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: a thousand sons, a huge energy being like the force 69 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: of time, destroying everything in its path. He was remembering 70 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: these kinds of descriptions. It's pretty amazing. Let's talk a 71 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: little bit about a geologic period which was almost five 72 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: hundred million years ago on a planet that's four point 73 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: five billion years old. The Silurian hypothesis. What is that? 74 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: That's something that was published earlier this year by a 75 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:09,799 Speaker 1: couple of astrophysicists. One of them's name was Adam Frank 76 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: and he had this idea, what if on planets and 77 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: other solar systems, in other galaxies there had been millions 78 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: of years ago advanced technological civilizations. And we say that 79 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: because you know, the light coming from these distant galaxies 80 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: takes millions of years to get here, so whatever we're 81 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: perceiving now in our telescopes reflects things that happened millions 82 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: and millions of years ago. So he was proposing, if 83 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 1: there were technological civilizations millions of years ago on these 84 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: planets and other galaxies, how how would we detect and 85 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: evidence for them? And he was discussing this with another 86 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: scientist named Gavin Schmidt who works for NASA, and Gavin 87 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: Schmidt told him, why are you talking about other planets? 88 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: Maybe we're not the first civilization that has existed on 89 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: this planet. Maybe millions and millions of years ago there 90 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: were advanced civilizations on this planet Earth, So how would 91 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: we detect evidence for them? So they called this the 92 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: Silurian hypothesis because they were thinking about a British science 93 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: fiction television series called Doctor Who. And then one of 94 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: the episodes of that series, you know, some scientists were 95 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: working on a nuclear reactor and they had some problems, 96 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: and they wound up creating a situation where they disturbed 97 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: the sleeping race of reptiles deep in the wares of 98 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: the Earth, of highly intelligent reptilian creatures who had an 99 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: advanced technological civilization during the Silurian period, which is about 100 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:24,119 Speaker 1: between four hundred and four hundred and fifty million years ago. 101 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: So I thought it was interesting that these scientists were 102 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: talking about this. They called this the Silurian hypothesis. Of course, 103 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: that's what my whole Forbidden Archaeology project is about. Evidence 104 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: for extreme human antiquity. I mean, I I tell people, 105 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: Michael about you who you know, talk about the civilizations 106 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: being a hundred thousand years old or two hundred thousand 107 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: years old, And I say, what about a hundred million 108 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: years old? You ever hear to hear of Michael Kreamo 109 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: on my show? And they went, oh, yeah, that's right. 110 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: It's it's difficult for them to comprehend this. Yeah. Now, 111 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: these particular scientists, yeah, they think if there was an 112 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: advanced technological civilization on Earth during the Silurian period, for example, 113 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: four hundred or more million years ago, it couldn't have 114 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: been humans, according to their way of thinking. I don't 115 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: agree with them. You think it could be human, Yeah, 116 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: they think it had to be some other species, intelligent 117 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: reptilian creatures for example, who later went extinct. But I 118 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: don't see any reason why it couldn't have been humans 119 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: like us. And there are actually there's actually some evidence 120 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: for that. There was a case I was investigating. It 121 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: was a report from Scientific American from the year eighteen 122 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: and it tells of a doctor R. W. Booth who 123 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: was engaged in iron mining operations in Franklin County in 124 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: Missouri near a place called Dry Branch, and he went 125 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: down eighteen feet in some silurian deposits and found human bones. So, 126 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, this so called Silurian hypothesis 127 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: that these astrophysicists have proposed that maybe there was some 128 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: advanced technological civilization hundreds of millions of years ago on 129 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 1: this planet. And I would assume that if they if 130 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: they had buildings and structures over five million years ago, 131 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: they would have demolished and decayed, and they would have 132 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: been rubbled and dust, right, that's part of the hypothesis. 133 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: They would be very difficult to detect because fossilization of 134 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: bone is very rare, and preservation of cultural artifacts is 135 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: also not to be expected from about four hundred million 136 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: years ago. If there is any such evidence, it should 137 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: be very very rare. And that's what I did find 138 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:28,239 Speaker 1: in my forbidden archaeology research. There is evidence for extreme 139 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: human antiquity, evidence that humans like us have existed for 140 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: tens of millions, even hundreds of millions of years on Earth. 141 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: But if you go further and further back in time, 142 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: it gets scarcer and scarcer. It's still there, but it's 143 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: very rare and difficult to detect. Now. They weren't proposing 144 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: we might start looking for synthetic chemicals. You know, we 145 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: we make a lot of artificial kinds of chemicals that 146 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: persists for a long time in the Earth's environment, plastics 147 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: and things like that, and radiation from nuclear wars that 148 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 1: can last for a long time, millions and millions of years. 149 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: So they were suggesting that we should start looking for 150 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: things like that, which is something I've also been proposing 151 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: for a while. But you don't rule out the possibility 152 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: that also intelligent life has come here from another planet. 153 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: I don't rule that out as a matter of fact. 154 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: That's why I think we're here, I think we're all 155 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: extraterrestrials in that planted that sense, we've been planted here, 156 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: Because it depends on understanding what we really are. I 157 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: would say, we're not these machines made of molecules that 158 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: we call our bodies. We're actually the conscious self that's 159 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: using that body as a vehicle. And that conscious self 160 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: isn't produced by chemicals, it's not produced by matter and 161 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: has its own independent existence. It comes from some higher 162 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: level of reality and it gets introduced into the world 163 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: of matter, becomes covered by it. So in that sense, 164 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: I say, we're all extraterrestrials are from here. Where are 165 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: we headed as a people? What's the future hold for 166 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: That depends upon the decisions that we make individually and 167 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: collectively in our lives as human beings. There's basically you 168 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: can always say there's always been two basic kind of divisions. 169 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: There are those who trying who are trying to understand, Yes, 170 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: I'm a being of pure consciousness, you're a being of 171 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: pure consciousness. We're all beings of pure consciousness. We shouldn't 172 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: be dividing ourselves up into so many different, competing, conflicting 173 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: groups on the basis of race, gender, nationality, religion, and 174 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: so on. We're all beings of pure consciousness. And then 175 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: there are those who are saying, no, we're just machines 176 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: made of matter. Uh to produce and consume more and 177 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: more material things in competition with each other for survival, 178 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: economic survival, military survival. That that's the real goal of life. Ah. 179 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: It all depends upon what side of that division we 180 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: put ourselves on. If you've got most of the people 181 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: agreeing to identify as machines made of matter in competition 182 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: with each other for survival, you're going to get a 183 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: world pretty much like the one we see around us. 184 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: If more people come to the point of understanding we're 185 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: all beings of pure consciousness, we should try to satisfy 186 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: our material needs in the most simple, natural, efficient, fair 187 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: way possible while putting most of our human energy into 188 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: developing that resource of consciousness, will have a different kind 189 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: of world. 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