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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It's a celebrities nightmare.

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Speaker 2: The so called ketamine queen who sells friends star Matthew

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Speaker 2: Perry that deadly dose of ketamine? Is she making a

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Speaker 2: deal in exchange for what is she talking to? The

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Speaker 2: Fed's naming names this as a so called new doctor death.

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Speaker 2: The doctor who was quote overseeing Matthew Perry's treatment is

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Speaker 2: back in his office. What he's not behind bars, He's

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Speaker 2: in his office treating other patients aka victims. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Did the drug dealer dub the ketamine Queen refer to

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Speaker 3: Matthew Perry by his friend's character name.

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Speaker 2: And that would be his affinity Matthew Perry's affinity with Batman,

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Speaker 2: and he would call himself matt Man. But according to sources,

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Speaker 2: the so called ketamine Queen Jasvine Songhaar referred to him

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Speaker 2: as Chandler in their texts and emails when they would

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Speaker 2: talk about drugs and drug deliveries code named Chandler.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that was a toughie.

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Speaker 2: A lot going down in the Matthew Perry case with

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Speaker 2: me an all star panel.

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Speaker 1: But let's just go back to reality listen.

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Speaker 4: Federal prosecutors allege that Perry first obtains ketamine from an

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Speaker 4: unscrupulous doctor aiming to take advantage of the actor's addiction issues.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Salvador Placentia teaches Perry's living assistant, Kenneth Ewa Masa,

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Speaker 4: how to administer the drug and provides ketamine to both

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Speaker 4: Perry and Ewa Masa at exorbitant prices. When the drugs

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Speaker 4: including Jazzvin's Songha dubbed the Ketamine Queen.

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Speaker 2: What There's a doctor who, by the way, is back

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Speaker 2: in his office.

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Speaker 1: Under one condition.

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Speaker 2: He's got to tell his patients aka victims that he

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Speaker 2: can no longer supply them with dea control substances.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he's back at work.

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Speaker 2: Matthew Perry is dead and he is not in a

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Speaker 2: jail cell. He is back at work. Let me understand

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Speaker 2: exactly what's happening. But first, there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: In the last hours, a very dear and intimate friend

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Speaker 2: of Matthew Perry says she doesn't think that ketamine is

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Speaker 2: the cause of death. Why and what would be the

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Speaker 2: cause of death? And what leads her to say that

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Speaker 2: this is what the medical examiner has to say.

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Speaker 5: The Los Angeles Medical Examiner determined that fifty four year

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Speaker 5: old Matthew Perry died from the acute effects of ketamine.

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Speaker 5: Other contributing factors listed were drowning, coronary artery disease, and

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Speaker 5: the effects of buprenorphine. Buprenorphine is used to treat opioid

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Speaker 5: use disorder. The manner of death has been ruled an accident.

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Speaker 2: Joining us an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we're learning right now, but with me a special guest.

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Speaker 2: Rowena Chew, activist and former assistant to Harvey Weinstein. His

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Speaker 2: name tastes like dirt in my mouth, convicted on multiple rapes,

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Speaker 2: and she has just written a New York Times guest essay,

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Speaker 2: I was a celebrity assistant.

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Speaker 1: The power and balance is very real. Rowena che thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us. I enjoyed your article.

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Speaker 2: I read it several times over and I try to

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Speaker 2: compare what you're saying and your situation with Harvey Weinstein.

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Speaker 1: May he write an in hell two.

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Speaker 2: Matthew Perry's assistant Number one, Matthew Perry was not a

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Speaker 2: criminal I was not a rapist number one, But you

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Speaker 2: point out assistants often do things that are, let me

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Speaker 2: just say, legally and ethically questionable in your case, what

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Speaker 2: does that mean in my case?

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Speaker 6: I worked for Harvey for only a couple of months,

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Speaker 6: and so I didn't have the opportunity to do things

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Speaker 6: that were ethically and legally immoral. But I was making

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Speaker 6: that assistants don't get the chance to say no.

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Speaker 2: You also pointed out a quote that compared assistants that

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Speaker 2: And you make a very subtle yet important distinction.

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Speaker 1: Expline a comparison was really with.

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Speaker 6: Ordinary folks that lived in Nazi Germany, whether or not

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Speaker 6: and so I feel that celebrity assistance. I also called

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Speaker 6: I think that I am attempting to shed light on

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Speaker 6: the fact that Kenneth Iwamasa may have had absolutely zero

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Speaker 6: He was a living assistant. The power and balance would

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Speaker 2: At the end of your article, I noted that you

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Speaker 2: into the scapegoat. Do you believe that Matthew Perri's assisted

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Speaker 2: who injected him with that deadly dose is a scapeguy?

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Speaker 6: I think he may have been put in an incredibly

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Speaker 6: It could have been that he did not have another residence,

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Speaker 6: and so as a living assistant, you know, really there's

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Speaker 6: think in the Weinstein case, at least, that there were

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Speaker 6: many circles of power, enablement and entitlement that were far

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Speaker 6: more deserving of perhaps the legal system going after than assistants.

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Speaker 6: For example, Harvey Weinstein had accountants and board members that

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Speaker 6: certainly knew of what was happening.

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Speaker 1: So I think the assistants.

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Speaker 6: I'm merely making the point that the assistants I suppose

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Speaker 2: Rowena che Is joining US activist former assistant to Harvey Weinstein,

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Speaker 2: who has just written a guest essay four The Times

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Speaker 2: titled I would say celebrity assistant, The power in balance

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Speaker 2: is very real, Miss too. I deeply respect you and

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Speaker 2: other assistance, not necessarily Weinstein's other assistants. Comparing that to

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Speaker 2: what Era Massa did in Perry's case, knowing that he

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Speaker 2: consider this much much more serious.

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Speaker 1: But I'll circle.

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Speaker 2: Back to you missed you in just one moment, and

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Speaker 2: again I do appreciate what you're saying, but I find

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Speaker 2: it vastly, vastly different than the case of Matthew Perry's assistant.

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Speaker 2: us investigative reporter with the Daily Mail, who's been on

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Speaker 1: What I find very interesting right now is that it's

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Speaker 2: Matthew Perry dies in the hot tub with a fatal overdose.

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Speaker 2: The doctor is already back at work taking patients like

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Speaker 2: nothing happened.

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Speaker 1: He had to put up like one hundred thousand dollars bond.

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Speaker 2: Really that's ten thousand dollars, and regular people talk you

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Speaker 1: He's gone, he's out. The so called ketamine queen has

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Speaker 2: The assistant, Kenneth Ewamasa, has not been sentenced.

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Speaker 1: Why I think that the Feds.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a cat with a little mouse,

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Speaker 2: just back and forth and back and forth until it

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Speaker 2: bites its head off. I think that's what the FEDS

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Speaker 2: other celebrity doctors and other pill meals headed by doctors

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Speaker 2: But to you kill a Brandley Daily Mail? Tell me

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Speaker 2: the is we've got the doctor back to work. A

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Speaker 2: lot of people haven't been sentenced. The other celebrity doctors,

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Speaker 2: of Celebrity Doctor. He was assassinated in his parking lot

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Speaker 2: following all of the drama surrounding Matthew Perry's death and

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Speaker 2: But I bet a lot of celebrities and a list

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Speaker 1: Kiela, what's happening?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Nancy, So what we know so far, at least

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Speaker 7: when it comes to Matthew Perry, is that doctor salvagor defensia.

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Speaker 7: He is back practicing. He is forbidden by the Drug

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Speaker 7: Enforcement Administration the DEA prescribing controlled substances, turned over his

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Speaker 7: license that would let him prescribe, But he can still

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Speaker 7: practice medicine under certain conditions that he works at an

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Speaker 7: The only difference is that he cannot provide, you know,

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Speaker 7: Mark Chavis has also surrendered his DEA license and therefore

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Speaker 2: Matthew Perry can't live his life, and he's not the

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Speaker 2: but two potential victims, other victims of the ketamine queen.

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Speaker 1: Both dead.

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Speaker 2: But right now to Mike McCormick, owner lead investigator MCM Investigations,

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Speaker 2: former LAPD over twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: You can find him at.

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Speaker 2: MCMM, mother c corpus mmotherinvestigations dot com.

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Speaker 1: Mike really boohoo.

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Speaker 2: He can't prescribe control substances.

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Speaker 1: That's his punishment. He's back and his.

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Speaker 2: Fancy sports car and his fancy condo and his fancy

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Speaker 2: prescribe de ea control substances, I guess not.

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Speaker 1: But you know what he can do.

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Speaker 2: He can illicitly get another doctor, a straw doctor as

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Speaker 2: it were, as it were, to write those prescriptions for him.

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Speaker 1: Let me think of an example.

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Speaker 2: Okay, psychologists cannot prescribe certain medications, right they can't. They

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Speaker 1: See what I mean? So he can be doing that.

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Speaker 2: He can have a straw dock actually write the prescriptions.

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Speaker 2: This is such bs. Why is he not in a jail?

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Speaker 2: Selle Perry is dead and you know what, everybody's talking

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Speaker 2: about his net worth. In fact, his home is being

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Speaker 2: remodeled near the hot tub man.

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Speaker 1: That's going right on the market. It's like it never.

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Speaker 8: Happened, exactly exactly. This is an outcome of a linear

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Speaker 8: We use this doctor for additional uh, doctors that are

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Speaker 3: You only die when you use needles. Matthew Perry's X

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Speaker 1: Boo hoo.

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Speaker 2: As I said, this doc is back at his luxury practice,

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Speaker 1: Matthew Perry is dead. How can that be? Joining me?

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Speaker 2: Psychoanalyst to the Stars, Doctor Bethany Marshall, author of deal Breaker,

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Speaker 2: and you can also see her on peacock and find

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Speaker 1: I want to circle back.

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Speaker 2: that would be. But we now know this doctor. This

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Speaker 2: doctor knew very well that Matthew Perry had actually seized up.

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Speaker 1: Yet everything was business as usual.

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Speaker 9: Listen details of Perry's last days in a federal indictment

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Speaker 9: reveal it was very clear to doctor Placentia that Perry's

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Speaker 10: Defendant Placentia knew full well the danger.

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Speaker 10: In fact, on one occasion he injected mister Perry with

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Speaker 1: And he's free.

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Speaker 2: If you or I cause the death of a superstar

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Speaker 1: So why is he free?

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Speaker 2: And why is it very murky, very unclear as to

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Speaker 1: I'm very curious.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, he's also featured in Thin Places Essays, Essays.

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Speaker 1: From in Between Doctor. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: I've been researching and investigating what exactly happened to Matthew

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Speaker 1: He quote froze. That's hardly a medical description.

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Speaker 11: Hi, Nancy, thank you. So a spike in his systolic

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Speaker 2: So when he quote froze up, what does that indicate

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Speaker 1: What's a systolic spike in blood pressure?

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Speaker 11: I would say the term froze up to me sounds

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Speaker 11: Ketamine is actually known for its anti convulsive properties. It's

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Speaker 11: He was actually found with the levels that were compatible

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Speaker 2: It reminds me a great deal of Conrad Murray injecting

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Speaker 2: But even that conviction was not enough to send sufficient

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Speaker 2: now Matthew Perry is dead. You know it's Cala Brandtley's

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Speaker 1: Kela, I understand that the.

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Speaker 2: Doctor who is now living a life, he's not in

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Speaker 2: He would provide the medication, the ketamine along with Kenemine

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Speaker 2: I heard what Rowena Chu said that the power balance

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Speaker 1: Perry at home.

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Speaker 2: I mean this assistant needs to be in jail along

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Speaker 1: They all need to be in jail and we need

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Speaker 2: So what's happening, kil, I don't understand what's the whole right?

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Speaker 7: Well, Nanthy, I also want to break down exactly how

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Speaker 7: much kettymine was distributed to Matthew Perry. The doctors Chavis

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Speaker 7: fifty five thousand dollars in cash. That's charging him two

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Speaker 7: she sold about fifty vials of the drugs to Perry

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Speaker 7: So you make a great point that you know, these

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Speaker 10: They distributed approximately twenty vials of ketamine to mister Perry

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Speaker 3: Matthew Perry's assistant allegedly found Perry in similar circumstances two

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Speaker 2: Death, joining us Rowena Chew, former assistant to Harvey Weinstein,

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Speaker 2: You just heard other example that celebrity assistants have named.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe that in this case the assistant is

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Speaker 1: I do believe he's being scapegoated.

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Speaker 6: I mean, we just heard about how other players in

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Speaker 1: Does the money had to do with it?

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Speaker 2: Rowena, Would it make it okay if he was paid

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Speaker 6: Oh no, absolutely not. I'm not saying that anybody was

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Speaker 2: So you believe the difference and whether he should be

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Speaker 6: I don't think that there's a huge incentive for him

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Speaker 6: I'm merely saying that as a point of coercion, the

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Speaker 7: That there are.

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Speaker 6: Layers of privilege and abuse of power that are far

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Speaker 1: And you know, we.

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Speaker 6: Can easily point to doctors and drug dealers who were

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Speaker 2: And are actually still making vast amounts of money. Mike

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Speaker 2: McCormick joining me lean investigator of MCM investigations in Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: Mike McCormick, Oh, respect to Rowena Chew, but I think

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Speaker 2: that's complete BS.

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Speaker 1: I don't agree at all.

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Speaker 2: Everybody Hollywood is making money off celebs. Celebs are making

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Speaker 1: Just like ticks, you know, stuck to the animal.

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Speaker 2: But Mike McCormick, why aren't they in jail number one?

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Speaker 2: And what do you make of what Rowena is saying

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Speaker 8: Well, I don't think the assistant is being scapegoaded. I

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on to some moment, doctor Manthony Marshall. Maybe

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Speaker 2: I'm not articulating my point that, well, the assistant lives

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Speaker 12: I have a unique perspective on this because these assistants

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Speaker 1: All day long. He was traumatized.

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Speaker 12: He came to therapy and said, I just cannot do

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Speaker 1: That's lack of.

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Speaker 12: Judgment that a ten year old knows not to do.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 12: We just know basically, you don't kill somebody if you

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 12: I mean, I'm sorry, but this assistant could have gone

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Speaker 12: there's a power imbalance. Of course, there's a power in

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Speaker 2: up on what doctor Bethany is saying. Caleb Brantley joining

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Speaker 2: us from Daily Mail call, and we understand that Matthew

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Speaker 2: Perry's mansion is being renovated, especially around the hot tub,

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Speaker 2: the pool air where he died.

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Speaker 1: It seems as.

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Speaker 2: If for Hollywood, including the prosecutors, it's just business as usual.

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Speaker 2: The doctor is back and his clinic treating patients and

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Speaker 2: making a ton of money. There are no sentences on

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Speaker 2: the people that have agreed to plead guilty. It just

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Speaker 2: seems as if everyone's acting as though nothing happened.

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Speaker 1: Matthew Perry is dead.

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Speaker 2: These people, according to the Feds, are responsible. Why aren't

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Speaker 2: they behind bars, Killa, And what if anything can you

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Speaker 2: tell me about when these people are going to jail?

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Speaker 2: And one other question. Apparently one of Perry's intimate friends

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Speaker 2: states that he Perry was deathly afraid of needles, and

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Speaker 2: she is questioning the real cood Killa.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 4: One of Perry's former assistants and ex girlfriend, Katie Edwards,

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Speaker 4: says she does not believe Perry could have possibly been

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Speaker 4: taking ketamine. Edwards describes Perry's intense fear of needles, saying

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Speaker 4: he wouldn't even consider a tattoo due to the phobia.

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Speaker 4: Edwards was no stranger to Perry's addiction and told him

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Speaker 4: he would die in an argument over his drug use.

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Speaker 4: Perry's response quote, you only die when you use needles,

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Speaker 4: and I would never ever do that.

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Speaker 1: Callen Brantley, what about it?

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Speaker 2: This person an intimate friend of Perry's, raising the specter

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Speaker 2: of another cood cause of death.

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Speaker 7: I understand that, Nancy, But it was Katie Edwards. She

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Speaker 7: dated him back in two thousand and six, worked as

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Speaker 7: an assistant until like twenty eleven, so while they were

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Speaker 7: still friends, they hadn't dated in a while. And I

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Speaker 7: understand that she said that he had a fear of this.

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Speaker 7: But Matthew Perry himself had written in his book about

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Speaker 7: these ketamine infusions that he was taking and how it

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Speaker 7: felt and how it was helping him. So I personally

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Speaker 7: am not so sure of that there. And you do

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Speaker 7: have his assistant and everyone basically admitting to injecting him.

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Speaker 7: And back to your point of why aren't these people

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Speaker 7: you know behind bars and what's going on. I think

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Speaker 7: right now it's just a waiting game. We have had

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Speaker 7: clea deals which have gotten us more information from the assistant,

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Speaker 7: from the friend, from one of the doctors, so I

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Speaker 7: think we will be seeing more in due time. There

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Speaker 7: will be a sentence there. They will end up facing

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Speaker 7: the consequences of their actions.

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Speaker 3: The FEDS say there are likely more victims of the

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Speaker 3: infamous Ketamine Queen.

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Speaker 2: Apparently, celebrities and celebrity doctors alike across Hollywood are quaking

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Speaker 2: in their boots, afraid that the so called Ketamine Queen

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Speaker 2: is going to rat them out in exchange for a

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Speaker 2: sweetheart deal from the Fedes. The so called ketamine Queen,

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Speaker 2: the one that supplied Matthew Perry with the deadly dose

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Speaker 2: of ketamine that ended in his death. Are there other victims?

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Speaker 1: Yes, listen.

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Speaker 9: Jasvien Sogha sells Cody mclowery several vials of ketamine. Later

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Speaker 9: that same day, mclowry's family finds him dead. A family

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Speaker 9: member tells Sangha her ketamine caused mclowry's overdose death, and

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Speaker 9: Songha googles can ketamine be listed as a cause of death?

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Speaker 4: There are likely more victims. Eric Fleming who reportedly acted

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Speaker 4: as a program director at the bell Air rehab Red Door,

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Speaker 4: also had a resident die on his watch. William Cooney,

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Speaker 4: thirty six, was found dead of a fentayl overdose in

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Speaker 4: his bathroom at the facility.

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Speaker 2: So those are two alleged victims, two more victims of

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Speaker 2: the ketamine Queen. That makes three if those two victims

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Speaker 2: are to be believed. In fact, Cody's family is speaking

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Speaker 2: out against the ketamine Queen.

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Speaker 1: And is she talking?

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Speaker 2: Is she making a deal with the fedes to get

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Speaker 2: a light sentence in exchange for ratting out other slips

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Speaker 2: and other doctors? Man, she needs a lot of money

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Speaker 2: to support this lifestyle. So what is the connection between

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Speaker 2: the Ketemine Queen and the other alleged victims?

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Speaker 1: All dead?

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Speaker 13: Coming to light are Brooke Mueller's deep ties to suspects

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Speaker 13: Flemming and Sogha. Mueller spent time with Soanghai in one

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Speaker 13: of her many rehabs Dens, and Fleming is reportedly a

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Speaker 13: godfather to one of Mueller's children. Mueller reportedly pressured then

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Speaker 13: boyfriend William Cooney to join her at pal Fleming's rehab program,

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Speaker 13: where Cooney overdosed and died Mueller may well have introduced

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Speaker 13: Fleming and Songha to Perry as shortcuts to feed his addiction.

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Speaker 13: Federal prosecutors report that Mueller is cooperating with the investigation

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Speaker 13: and is not facing any charges.

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Speaker 2: Let me understand, Cala Brandtley joining us from dailymail dot com.

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Speaker 2: The so called ketamine queen Songha meets up with who

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Speaker 2: and rehab? Let me say, is Britton Mueller, who apparently

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Speaker 2: was very close to Matthew Perry. Now how does that

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Speaker 2: connect and to Songhaw the dealer.

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Speaker 7: Well, all roads are kind of leading back to Jasen Sogha,

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Speaker 7: the Kennymine queen. She was a supplier of multiple people.

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Speaker 7: And now we do find this connection between Brooke Mueller,

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Speaker 7: who spent time with Matthew Perry in rehab. They were

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Speaker 7: close friends. And then we have Eric Flemming, who was

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Speaker 7: a director at the rehab center where this man William

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Speaker 7: Cooney had passed away. So this all is a circular

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Speaker 7: connection of going back to Sogha and I'm have been

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Speaker 7: on the radar for a while. Back in March twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty four, the Fed raided her house and they called

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Speaker 7: it a drug imporium. These seventy nine bottles that some

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Speaker 7: had tested positive for kennymine. So this is no surprise

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Speaker 7: that Ja Zinfanga is involved in this Matthew Perry case.

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Speaker 2: Now two more alleged victims of this woman living the

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Speaker 2: high life that supplied the deadly dose to Matthew Perry.

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Speaker 2: Now would he be her third victim? Why has it

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Speaker 2: taken that to bring her to justice? Are those investigations ongoing?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: This, by far is not the first time a celebrity

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Speaker 2: has died with enablers circling them like vultures.

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Speaker 1: Listen, now, how are you doing it?

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Speaker 14: With security from Burverlely Hilton, Hi, I need to a paramedic.

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Speaker 14: Farently I've got a forty six year old female I

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Speaker 14: found in the bathroom to fellow guy right now, But

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Speaker 14: they're requesting paramedic crew. Okay, pary fell about them. I

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Speaker 14: love rimscandel. I'm not sure if you, fellow, if she

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Speaker 14: was in the bathroom with the water four four four

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Speaker 14: three four. I'm sorry that room four three fourth yet. Okay,

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Speaker 14: they're not quest or anything else. There's room four three

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Speaker 14: four thirty four. Yeah, okay, you don't know see a

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Speaker 14: country of anything at all. Apparently she wasn't breathing and

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Speaker 14: she's toy secured he was not breathing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Whitney Houston surrounded by enablers. Ultimately it cost her

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Speaker 2: her life. Then there is John Belushi, one of the

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Speaker 2: greatest comedians that ever lived. He was shot up with

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Speaker 2: drugs at the Chateau Marmont and his assistant did hard

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Speaker 2: jail time after shooting him up. Bobby Christina Whitney's daughter od.

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Speaker 2: It goes on and on and on. Of course, Michael Jackson,

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Speaker 2: Aaron Carter, Chris Farley went to rehab sixteen times. His

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Speaker 2: younger brother finds him dead in his apartment. Of course,

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Speaker 2: Prince died of a deadly opioid injection. Goes all the

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Speaker 2: way back to Elvis, China, Amy Winehouse and a Nicole

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Speaker 2: spiraled down a drug hole while everyone supported that and

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Speaker 2: enabled her. Kurt Cobain, River Phoenix. It goes on and on,

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Speaker 2: and the enablers are never brought to justice. Straight out

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Speaker 2: to Mike McCormick. Mcm investigations, don't you know the ketamine

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Speaker 2: Queen and all of them, They're like rats on a

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Speaker 2: sinking ship, are ready to deal, ready to name names, addresses,

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Speaker 2: phone numbers, little black books to save their own skin.

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Speaker 1: You don't think they're talking to the Feds right now?

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Speaker 8: Oh, absolutely yeah, They're gonna tell them everything they want

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Speaker 8: to know to stay out of jail.

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Speaker 2: As we go to air, we learn that there are

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Speaker 2: vultures circling Matthew Perry. Yes, his clothing, his wardrobe, his

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Speaker 2: sofa and other memorabilia report up for auction, again like

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Speaker 2: vultures circling a carcass. This, as we learned, there's a

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Speaker 2: hold on sentencing for some of the defendants that have

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Speaker 2: already agreed to plead guilty.

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Speaker 1: Why Why and why is his.

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Speaker 2: Doctor the one that allowed the fatal dose that killed him?

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Speaker 2: Why is he back at work as if nothing happened,

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Speaker 2: business as usual. Joining me an all star panel to

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Speaker 2: make sense of what we know right now? Do you

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Speaker 2: believe Calea Brantley that this signals the beginning of a

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Speaker 2: celebrity a celebrity doctor cracked down.

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Speaker 7: I think it's very possible, Nancy, especially now that we

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Speaker 7: have people who are making clee feels. You could see

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Speaker 7: them speak and tell you know, their networks of people

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Speaker 7: and connections, and this could be the craft out at

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Speaker 7: the beginning of a bunch of doctors who are prescribing

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Speaker 7: people deadly, deadly medications. We have from the pleas so far,

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Speaker 7: people admitting, including his assistant, to covering up and cleaning

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Speaker 7: up this scene by getting rid of syringes and ketamine

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Speaker 7: vials that's according to the pre agreement, and telling each

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Speaker 7: other to delete things. So we see an orchestrated system

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Speaker 7: from these people who are trying to get away with

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Speaker 7: clearly knowing that they did something wrong.

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Speaker 2: To Todd Barr joining us, doctor Barr, board certified and

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Speaker 2: atomic clinical forensic pathologist, Doctor Barr, what do you notice

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Speaker 2: about the death certificate?

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Speaker 11: So, Nancy, I have a lot of real issues with

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Speaker 11: the way this case was decided. As a forensic expert,

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Speaker 11: I have been involved in prosecutions of crimes that involved

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Speaker 11: other people distributing or administering drugs to a victim. The

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Speaker 11: very definition of a homicide is death at the hands

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Speaker 11: of enough period, whether it's by omission or comission. In

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Speaker 11: this case, comission. They brought in drugs, they injected them

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Speaker 11: into Matthew Perry's body. They should be charged with a homicide.

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Speaker 11: They should be charged with murder straight up, everyone that's involved. Now,

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Speaker 11: the second part of this is the official cause of

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Speaker 11: death was listed as the acute effects of ketamine, and

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Speaker 11: then other conditions or contributing conditions included drowning. Now, there

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Speaker 11: are certain stigmata of drowning that you see at autopsy.

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Speaker 11: If those are present, then a drowning occurred. So Matthew

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Speaker 11: Perry's death is literally because of drowning. But then there's

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Speaker 11: a part b or drowning due to the intoxicating effects

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Speaker 11: of ketamine.

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Speaker 1: So he was so.

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Speaker 11: Dissociative and esthetized that he slipped under the water. If

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Speaker 11: they're going to list drowning as a contributing factor, then

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Speaker 11: that that means they had evidence that he drowned. So

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Speaker 11: it should have been listed as a drowning number one

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Speaker 11: due to the effects of ketamine, and the manner of

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Speaker 11: death should have been listed as homicide.

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Speaker 1: So I have a.

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Speaker 11: Very strong opinion about the way this death certificate was worded,

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Speaker 11: and I believe that sometimes when it's worded this way,

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Speaker 11: defendants get off a lot easier. Now I don't know

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Speaker 11: if in LA they have something going where they were

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Speaker 11: these death certificates in a way so people get off

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Speaker 11: a little easier, But that's my take too.

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Speaker 2: Rowena che joining us former assistant to Harvey Weinstein, now activists,

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Speaker 2: who has just written a New York Times guest essay

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Speaker 2: called I was a celebrity assistant. The power and balance

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Speaker 2: is very real. Thought to you, Rowena, what do you make.

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Speaker 1: Of it all?

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Speaker 6: I think there are levels of power that we could

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Speaker 6: go after that are much more intense than that of

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Speaker 6: the assistant. I think the assistant, being the lowest run

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Speaker 6: on the ladder, probably is the last person that anyone

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Speaker 6: should go after because he has read a little autonomy.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying that no one should be held accountable.

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Speaker 6: I'm saying that there are levels of power above him

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Speaker 6: that should be accountable before he is.

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Speaker 2: Guys, we wait as justice unfolds in Matthew Perry's case.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,