WEBVTT - The Lesser of Two Crab Claws, Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to stot to Blow Your Mind production of My

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're back with part two of our series on a

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<v Speaker 1>Symmetry in Life Now. In the last episode, we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the concept of bilateral symmetry, where basically all of

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<v Speaker 1>the higher animals have body plans where the left and

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<v Speaker 1>the right sides are more or less a copy of

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<v Speaker 1>one another. In other words, along one of the three

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<v Speaker 1>dimensions of space, our bodies are approximately mirrored, at least

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<v Speaker 1>on the outside. Now. Uh, In most organisms there are

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<v Speaker 1>minor variations on this type of symmetry, but occasionally there

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<v Speaker 1>are species with isolated but radical deviations, where like one

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<v Speaker 1>feature on the outside of an otherwise mirror were flipped

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<v Speaker 1>half of the body is drastically different from what you

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<v Speaker 1>find on the other side. Examples that came up last

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<v Speaker 1>time where the tusk of the nar wall, where in

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<v Speaker 1>most cases it's actually the left maxillary canine tooth, So

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<v Speaker 1>weirds the left fang basically of this whale stabbing through

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<v Speaker 1>the upper lip and it becomes a single tusk. We

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<v Speaker 1>also talked about the blowholes and skulls of toothed whales

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<v Speaker 1>such as the sperm whale, where in many cases these

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<v Speaker 1>have developed left right mismatches that seemed to have evolved

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<v Speaker 1>to support the capacity for echolocation. We also talked about

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<v Speaker 1>the cock eyed squid, which has two extremely different eyes

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<v Speaker 1>for looking into extremely different worlds, one for the water above,

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<v Speaker 1>which is filtering sunlight, and one for the water below,

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<v Speaker 1>which may contain flashes of bioluminescence. And so today we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to pick up the series by talking about some

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<v Speaker 1>more fascinating examples of lopsided animal evolution. Animal with halves

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<v Speaker 1>that mostly match but in one capacity or another do not,

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<v Speaker 1>and why that would be. Now, there are many great

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<v Speaker 1>examples of of asymmetrical evolution in crustations, and we may

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<v Speaker 1>actually save some of these for the next part in

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<v Speaker 1>the series. I know we're going to go to at

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<v Speaker 1>least three parts here, but for for today's episode, I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to start by getting out the lemon and the

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<v Speaker 1>drawn butter, because this is an asymmetry that you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to be a specialist marine biologist to notice for yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've ever eaten or even just seen a cooked lobster.

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<v Speaker 1>You probably have noticed a weird mismatch between the lobsters

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<v Speaker 1>to clause Robert, I assume you've you've seen this for yourself, Yes, yes, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not not as recently as you have, because I

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<v Speaker 1>believe this, uh, this was the inspiration for this episode, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you recently ate a lobster? Oh, I don't. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I even told you that, but yeah, this probably

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<v Speaker 1>had something to do with it. I I can't confirm

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<v Speaker 1>the inner workings of my subconscious mind. But not too

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<v Speaker 1>long ago, I was in the I was in New

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<v Speaker 1>England where where lobster is king. I'm not gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>do the accent, but lobster is king. Uh. And I did,

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<v Speaker 1>And I did, in fact eat a lobster. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I noticed stark differences between the claws, even not

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<v Speaker 1>just looking at them, but in my fingers, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>One claw was was sort of a pleasure to crack

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<v Speaker 1>open and get the meat out of, and the other

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<v Speaker 1>one when I handled the inside of the pincers, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they were much sharper and and the spines within them

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<v Speaker 1>were much smaller and kind of we're irritating and unpleasant

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<v Speaker 1>to the fingers. Fascinating. So what's going on with this

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<v Speaker 1>claw mismatch? Oh and by the way, we should be

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<v Speaker 1>clear that we're talking specifically about the American lobster or

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<v Speaker 1>home marus americanus. This is the lobster you find along

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<v Speaker 1>the northern edge of the eastern coast of North America,

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<v Speaker 1>so all up through like the north half of the

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<v Speaker 1>eastern United States and up into Canada. This is like

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<v Speaker 1>the red lobster lobster, the lobster from your grocery store

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<v Speaker 1>that has rubber bands on its claws, not like the

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<v Speaker 1>Caribbean lobster. Yea, not the rock lobster, though I hear

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<v Speaker 1>those can be good eating too, I've never had one.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, so the American lobster. Uh. So, you look

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<v Speaker 1>at these two claws, and what you'll notice is that

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<v Speaker 1>usually one claw is longer and flatter, with a longer

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the technical term for this is

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<v Speaker 1>the danger zone, the space between the two pincers and

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<v Speaker 1>the insides of the pincers. On this flatter, longer claws

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to be sharper, more like a kind of spiky

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<v Speaker 1>pair of scissors. And then the other claw is shorter

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<v Speaker 1>in length, but bulkier, thick with muscle, and the inside

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<v Speaker 1>edges of its pincers have a sort of rounder, larger

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<v Speaker 1>grain texture, almost pebbled, rather than with tiny spines. These

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<v Speaker 1>claws are commonly referred to as the cutter and the crusher, respectively.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the cutter is sometimes called the pincher also,

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that they are what they sound like, the

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<v Speaker 1>cutter and the crusher. So what's going on? Why the

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<v Speaker 1>two different claws on the same lobster. How does a

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<v Speaker 1>lobster end up with two very different claws and what

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<v Speaker 1>are they for? Well? To answer this question, I was

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<v Speaker 1>reading what I thought was a really interesting older article

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<v Speaker 1>in American Scientist magazine. So this is from ninety nine

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<v Speaker 1>by an author named C. K. Govind, who was a

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<v Speaker 1>professor of zoology at the University of Toronto, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>called a symmetry in lobster claus Seems like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of Govin's research focused on crustaceans, and so Govin begins

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<v Speaker 1>by pointing out a number of different examples of a

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<v Speaker 1>symmetry and animals. He talks about lateral dominance or handedness

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<v Speaker 1>in humans and even mentioned I thought this was interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Some in some songbirds, such as canaries, you have bilateral

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<v Speaker 1>asymmetry in their singing apparatus. Song production seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>centered on structures in the left half of the cy rinks.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when you see asymmetries like this, uh, you

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<v Speaker 1>can ask all kinds of questions about them. But one

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<v Speaker 1>thing is that you might just assume them to be permanent,

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<v Speaker 1>fixed features of anatomy, hard coded by genes and express

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<v Speaker 1>their early development. But it's interesting that there are some

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<v Speaker 1>cases where a symmetry in an animal's body seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be reversible. Just for one example, in some cases of

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<v Speaker 1>lateral dominance, damage to the dominant side of the brain

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<v Speaker 1>or body can cause the non dominant side to assume

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<v Speaker 1>some functionality previously localized to the side that has now

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<v Speaker 1>been incapacitated. And this can lead us to wonder how

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<v Speaker 1>do these asymmetries develop in the first place. So Govind

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<v Speaker 1>argues that by examining the lobster, and this is the

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<v Speaker 1>American lobster Homarus americans, we can see an example of

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<v Speaker 1>a symmetry emerging not purely as a result of genetic coding,

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<v Speaker 1>but actually as a result of how the lobster interacts

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<v Speaker 1>with it's with its environment during a crucial early period. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is what brings us back to the crusher

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<v Speaker 1>claw and the cutter claw. So I want to read

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<v Speaker 1>from Govin's introduction here quote, as any self respecting gourmet knows,

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<v Speaker 1>the paired claws of the American lobster have decidedly different morphologies.

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<v Speaker 1>One claw, called the crusher or major claw, is short, stout,

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<v Speaker 1>and heavy, with Moehler like teeth on its biting surface.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a good comparison, moler like teeth. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the pebbles are like your back teeth. It's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>imagine them snipping something off. Instead, it seems like they

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<v Speaker 1>would sort of grab hold of it and be able

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<v Speaker 1>to smash it real good. Yeah. When when I'm looking

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<v Speaker 1>at a picture of this, I can't help but imagine

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<v Speaker 1>the lobster putting on a puppet show with with just

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<v Speaker 1>its pincher and its crusher, and each of them have

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<v Speaker 1>you know, different characters, like like like hey on the

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<v Speaker 1>crutchery on the pincher, and they interact. You know. Definitely

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<v Speaker 1>the cutter claw has the higher voice. Yeah, let's say

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<v Speaker 1>if they're street fighter characters, crusher claw is zang gef

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<v Speaker 1>and cutter claw is is what maybe maybe im bison

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<v Speaker 1>longer does that cheap spinning move. Yeah, um okay, so anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so that that's what that is. That that's the molar

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<v Speaker 1>teeth on the biting surface. But then, uh, to continue

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<v Speaker 1>the quote, the other called the cutter or minor claw

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<v Speaker 1>is long and slender with incisor like teeth, or your

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<v Speaker 1>incisors are your front teeth, the ones that you use

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<v Speaker 1>to bite off things. You know, not to mash them up,

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<v Speaker 1>but to to separate them from what they're originally stuck

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<v Speaker 1>to and pull them into your mouth there for cutting. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>So what Govind writes his quote, what the gourmet might

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<v Speaker 1>may not know, and what lobstermen know painfully well, is

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<v Speaker 1>that the cutter claw can give a quick, nasty pinch. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>it's dactyl, meaning the part of the claw that moves,

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<v Speaker 1>the closing part can close against the opposing polyx within

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<v Speaker 1>twenty milliseconds, which is several times faster than any human reflex.

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<v Speaker 1>In contrast, the crusher claw closes very slowly, but with

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<v Speaker 1>enough force to crack open the shells of oysters, muscles,

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<v Speaker 1>and other bivalves. Uh. And it's true mollusks such as

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<v Speaker 1>muscles are a big source of food prey for the

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<v Speaker 1>American lobsters. So it crawls along the ocean floor in

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<v Speaker 1>its adult phase. And what does it eat. Well, it

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<v Speaker 1>might eat some some worms of various types and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's it's really going to be looking for mollusks

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<v Speaker 1>such as muscles. It wants to crack those shells open

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<v Speaker 1>and get that meat inside. Also, while we're mentioning anatomy,

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<v Speaker 1>I this is unrelated, but I just have to say

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<v Speaker 1>American lobsters do p out of their faces. You kind

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<v Speaker 1>of can't bring lobsters up without mentioning that they face

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<v Speaker 1>pe and they face peace, specifically at each other, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's a mate or rival. So lobster sees another lobster,

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<v Speaker 1>they're probably gonna be peeing out of their faces at them.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh though, is best I can tell. The face peeing

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<v Speaker 1>is symmetrical. Okay, well that's good enough. But coming back

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<v Speaker 1>to the clause, So the difference in the speed of

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<v Speaker 1>pinching between the two claws is ev sense of an

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<v Speaker 1>underlying difference and not just the shape of the claw,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's muscular composition. These these claws have different types

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<v Speaker 1>of muscle in them. About nine percent of the space

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<v Speaker 1>of a lobster's claw is taken up by the closer muscle.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the muscle responsible for bringing the pincers together.

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<v Speaker 1>Only a relatively tiny muscle is devoted to opening the claw,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why a lobster might be able to pinch

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<v Speaker 1>with massive force, but a simple rubber band can render

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<v Speaker 1>its claw harmless by holding it closed. It has way

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<v Speaker 1>more strength for closing than it does for opening. Interacting.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great point. Yeah, I didn't double check this,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just remembered hearing a fact that may or

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<v Speaker 1>may not be true about alligator and crocodilian jaws like

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<v Speaker 1>that when I was a kid. That you know, So

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<v Speaker 1>they can close their jaws with massive force, but you

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<v Speaker 1>can actually quite easily hold their jaws together with and

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<v Speaker 1>they can't open them back up. So this would be

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<v Speaker 1>the secret of the feet of the crocodile or alligator wrestler. Yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Now coming back to the lobster, does that mean that

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<v Speaker 1>the closer muscle is the delicious part? This is like

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<v Speaker 1>that prize sliver of meat from the claw. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know about relative flavors. The closer would be the

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<v Speaker 1>big one, and the the opener is obviously you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like ten percent, it's like one ninth the size

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<v Speaker 1>of the closer muscle. So I don't know exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting. When you have a cooked lobster and you

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<v Speaker 1>pull it out of there and eat it, you're probably

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<v Speaker 1>some combination of the two. Well, I I guess in

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<v Speaker 1>my experience, like the bigger the meat you pull out

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<v Speaker 1>of a crustacean like the greater distance of victory. And likewise,

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<v Speaker 1>the more that one is picking through the crustacean with

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<v Speaker 1>and removing tiny slivers to consume that delicious they may be.

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<v Speaker 1>But the more I feel like I'm some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like a creature stooped on a primordial shore scavenging pieces

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<v Speaker 1>from a dead animal. Getting the pieces from the tiny

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<v Speaker 1>legs and the tiny parts makes you feel more like

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<v Speaker 1>it's the road. You know, you're like looking for seeds

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<v Speaker 1>or something to eat, But pulling out that big piece

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<v Speaker 1>of claw meat you feel like a king. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's luxury. Okay, So you got these different muscles. You

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<v Speaker 1>got the closer muscle, the opener muscle. What what makes

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<v Speaker 1>the difference in the speed of pinching between the crusher

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<v Speaker 1>claw and the cutter claw is the type of muscle

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<v Speaker 1>fiber that the closing muscle is composed of. The cutter

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<v Speaker 1>claw is made of about fast muscle fiber, which is

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what it sounds like. It's designed to move quickly

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<v Speaker 1>along with what Govind calls a quote small ventral band

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<v Speaker 1>of slow muscle, whereas the crusher claw is almost entirely

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<v Speaker 1>or not almost, I think is entirely a slow muscle fiber.

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<v Speaker 1>So it closes more slowly but can close with incredible force.

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<v Speaker 1>And as a result, cutter snaps fast and sharp. Crusher

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<v Speaker 1>closes slowly, but but it's massive. So you could compare

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<v Speaker 1>this to handedness in humans. But Govind notes that while

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<v Speaker 1>the majority of humans are right hand ended, the distribution

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<v Speaker 1>of claws on adult lobsters seems equally probable both ways.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like the crusher claw is always on the

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<v Speaker 1>left side. It's it's a coin flip, which which would

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<v Speaker 1>mean that there's that natural selection is not pushing it

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<v Speaker 1>one way or the other. Right, it's not, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's pushing. It's clearly pushing. The lobsters to have two

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<v Speaker 1>different types of clause for the asymmetry to exist, but

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't seem to matter which side is which, at

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<v Speaker 1>least not in a way that's universal across lobsters. It

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<v Speaker 1>is decided, It is decided by each individual lobster in development.

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<v Speaker 1>So a great question then, is, okay, if the bilateral

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<v Speaker 1>asymmetry is individual to each lobster and it's a random

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<v Speaker 1>coin flip at least from a you know, uh, statistical

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<v Speaker 1>point of view, what causes the change? How does the

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<v Speaker 1>individual lobster's body when it's growing pick which side becomes which. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we can look at a lobster larval development to see this.

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<v Speaker 1>So when they're they're tiny little things swimming around before

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<v Speaker 1>they become the big ubsters we recognize. During the early

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<v Speaker 1>larval stages, the claws of the lobster are undifferentiated. They're

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the same. Both claws have what Govin calls quote

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<v Speaker 1>a central band of fast fibers sand which dorsally and

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<v Speaker 1>ventrally by slow fibers. Then during the later juvenile stages,

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<v Speaker 1>this would be like the fourth and fifth molting stages,

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<v Speaker 1>there begins to be some variability in the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>slow and fast fibers in each claw, but then the

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<v Speaker 1>changes really start to become apparent during the sixth stage

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<v Speaker 1>of molting, quote, when the putative crusher claw becomes slightly

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<v Speaker 1>shorter and stouter with a central molar like tooth, while

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<v Speaker 1>the punitive cutter claw remains long and slender with a

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<v Speaker 1>central incisor like tooth. A corresponding asymmetry in the composition

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<v Speaker 1>of the closer muscle also develops. The muscle of the

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<v Speaker 1>cutter claw gradually acquires fast fibers by transforming the slow

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<v Speaker 1>fibers of most of its cross sectional face. The exception

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<v Speaker 1>is a ventral band. The muscle the crusher claw gradually

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<v Speaker 1>transforms all of its fast fibers to slow fibers. In

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<v Speaker 1>succeeding juvenile development. The paired claws further diverge toward well

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<v Speaker 1>defined cutter and crusher claws. So the divergence happens sometime

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<v Speaker 1>in the childhood of a lobster sometime around its fourth

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<v Speaker 1>and fifth molting stages, and really starts to appear during

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<v Speaker 1>the sixth molting. But then Govin mentioned something I thought

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<v Speaker 1>was really intriguing and experiment going all the way back

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<v Speaker 1>to nineteen o eight, way back to a researcher named

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<v Speaker 1>Victor Emmel who found that if you remove one of

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<v Speaker 1>the lobster's claws during the fourth or fifth stage, so

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<v Speaker 1>you just pull that claw off, the claw that is

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<v Speaker 1>left behind, still attached to the lobster, always becomes a

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<v Speaker 1>crusher claw. And meanwhile, the animal regenerates a new claw

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<v Speaker 1>where the old one was torn off. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>crustaceans can do that. It grows a new claw, and

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<v Speaker 1>the new claw always becomes the cutter claw. But this

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<v Speaker 1>only happens if you do it early. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>pull off a lobster's claw after the larval stage, when

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<v Speaker 1>it's already approaching adulthood, when the asymmetry is already beginning

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<v Speaker 1>to show up, the original arrangement stays intact. The claw

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<v Speaker 1>you pulled off will regenerate as whichever type it already was.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank thank so this this seems to show that claw

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<v Speaker 1>laterality is determined sometime during the molting stages of like

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<v Speaker 1>four to five, and it probably won't change after that.

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<v Speaker 1>So what causes asymmetry to become fixed during this stage

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<v Speaker 1>in a young lobster's life? And here begins a long,

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<v Speaker 1>twisting and to my mind fascinating journey of experiments. Trying

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<v Speaker 1>to pin down how this happens. Most of most of

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<v Speaker 1>these experiments, Govind himself was in some way directly involved in,

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<v Speaker 1>and for the sake of brevity, I'm gonna gloss over

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<v Speaker 1>some details in this section, but you can look up

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<v Speaker 1>the article for yourself if you want. The more zoomed

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<v Speaker 1>inversion with all the details and citations all try to

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<v Speaker 1>give a more sky sky level view. So first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>Govin and colleagues notice some things we already know leading

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<v Speaker 1>into these experiments. One is that the triggers for developing

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<v Speaker 1>different claws must be randomly distributed under normal conditions to

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<v Speaker 1>explain the random distribution of claws in the wild, but

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<v Speaker 1>not random once a claw is lost, and this naturally

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<v Speaker 1>suggested something about use the way the claw is used.

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<v Speaker 1>When one claw is pulled off and has to grow

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<v Speaker 1>back a new it isn't getting used, so the remaining

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<v Speaker 1>claw is getting used, And maybe it's something about getting

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<v Speaker 1>used more that makes a claw into a crusher. This

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<v Speaker 1>would align with the fact that the juvenile stage in

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<v Speaker 1>which the claws become asymmetrical also coincides with a change

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<v Speaker 1>in the lobster's lifestyle. So when the claws start to

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<v Speaker 1>become asymmetrical is around the time when lobsters transition from

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<v Speaker 1>swimming amongst the plankton to living on the ocean floor

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<v Speaker 1>and crawling around on the substrate and burrowing in the substrate.

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<v Speaker 1>The substrate meaning the stuff that lines the ocean floor. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>some research had been done which found that if you

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<v Speaker 1>take a bunch of lobsters and you raise them in

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<v Speaker 1>smooth plastic trays environments with no stuff to mess with

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<v Speaker 1>on the bottom of the water, lobsters do not, in

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<v Speaker 1>fact develop crusher claws at all. In smooth environments, they

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<v Speaker 1>just get symmetrically paired cutter claws, two cutters exactly the same.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you put a lobster that's already reached the

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<v Speaker 1>stage where it's claws split into different types into a

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<v Speaker 1>smooth environment, it keeps its crusher claws. So again it

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<v Speaker 1>gets fixed sometime early on. Alright, So it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>it's the environment that is key here, right, It seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be something about the texture of the environment at

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<v Speaker 1>the right stage that causes crusher claws to emerge. So

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<v Speaker 1>here's a new experiment. You raise lobsters in a smooth

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<v Speaker 1>plastic environment versus one scattered with pieces of broken oyster shells.

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<v Speaker 1>Does a lobster grow up differently with different distributions of

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<v Speaker 1>claws on on smooth plastic versus oyster chips? And the

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<v Speaker 1>results Where oyster shells give you normal asymmetrical lobsters with

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<v Speaker 1>a crusher and a cutter, the smooth no substrate gives

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<v Speaker 1>you a pair of identical cutters. This was fascinating to me. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's like what it's crawling around on determines how

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<v Speaker 1>its claws develop. So they wanted to refine this answer further.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is this is it? Is this result something about

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<v Speaker 1>oyster chips in particular, or could it be any substrate?

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<v Speaker 1>So they tried the experiment again, but instead of oyster shells,

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<v Speaker 1>they use different stuff. They used gravel, they used mud

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<v Speaker 1>with debris, and they even used tanks with plastic shirt buttons,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of these produced normal lobsters with one crusher,

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<v Speaker 1>one cutter normally randomly distributed crusher claws. And in a

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<v Speaker 1>control they had a flat, smooth substrate that had been

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<v Speaker 1>painted to look like oyster chips, but it did not

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<v Speaker 1>but did not have any actual stuff to crawl or

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<v Speaker 1>burrow around in. And this did not facilitate differentiation. So

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<v Speaker 1>on the one that was flat and smooth but painted, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still produced identical symmetrical cutters. Another experiment to refine

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<v Speaker 1>this what about lobsters and smooth plastic trays, but putting

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<v Speaker 1>them together instead of by themselves. This plays on the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that lobsters are not very friendly to each other.

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<v Speaker 1>They are aggressive and tend to fight each other, and

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<v Speaker 1>typically when they were put in together they would they

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<v Speaker 1>would duel a bit, and one of the lobsters would

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<v Speaker 1>often get one or both claws removed in battle. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know this is kind of going into bug fights

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<v Speaker 1>territory um, but the lobster. So what they found was

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<v Speaker 1>the lobster with both claws left would split like in

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<v Speaker 1>the wild with an asymmetrical distribution with one crusher claw.

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<v Speaker 1>So if there is no substrate, if you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>any mud or oyster chips to root around in fighting,

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<v Speaker 1>will also do to split your claws into different types. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that this makes sense. It's about having It would seem

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<v Speaker 1>to have something to do with the the sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>things you're encountering with your claws, be it chunks of

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<v Speaker 1>oysters or the hard body of another lobster combatant, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems to have something to do with doing something

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<v Speaker 1>with the claws that that produces one crusher of the two.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and as a control, I thought this is also interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, well, we want to make sure it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just the appearance of another lobster that causes a crusher

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<v Speaker 1>to develop. So they tried one with a smooth container

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<v Speaker 1>but a mirror, So if the lobster could see its reflection,

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<v Speaker 1>would this make it differentiate? But noe, period, you just

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<v Speaker 1>got two cutters. It's got to be that tactile experience. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so so far this is all lining up with the

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<v Speaker 1>hypothesis that it's something about the claw getting used more

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<v Speaker 1>that caused them to split and one to become a crusher. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>So they tried a new experiment with the hypothesis that

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<v Speaker 1>if you put a lobster in a no normal environment

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<v Speaker 1>with a substrate, but you prevent only one of a

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<v Speaker 1>lobster's clause from opening and closing, that's going to get

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<v Speaker 1>less use. That's going to turn into the cutter claw,

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<v Speaker 1>and the other one will become a crusher. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>they tried this with various methods such as holding one

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<v Speaker 1>claw shut with a rubber band or with a dab

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<v Speaker 1>of glue, and they found, to their surprise, this did

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<v Speaker 1>not produce the result they expected. They thought, if a

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<v Speaker 1>claw can't open and close, that the other one is

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<v Speaker 1>going to become the crusher. But no, Instead, with these lobsters,

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<v Speaker 1>you still got random lateralization. In some the right became

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<v Speaker 1>a crusher and some of the left became a crusher. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's it because that was gonna be my guest

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<v Speaker 1>that it depends on how on how that particular claw

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<v Speaker 1>is being used. But we see this, uh, this this

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<v Speaker 1>random distribution occurring even when that one claw is say,

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<v Speaker 1>rubber bandage shut. Right. So here they were like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe has something to do with the claw being used,

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<v Speaker 1>but not with it being able to open clothes, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's something else. So from here they proceeded to

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<v Speaker 1>a number of different anatomical experiments and to try to

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<v Speaker 1>quickly summarize their findings. First of all, they found if

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<v Speaker 1>you caught a tendon preventing only one of a lobster's

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<v Speaker 1>claws from opening or closing, this does stop it from

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<v Speaker 1>becoming a crusher, possibly by preventing fast muscle fibers from

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<v Speaker 1>transforming into slow muscle fibers, and the reason from this

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it could be a result of severing reflexive nerve

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<v Speaker 1>pathways in the process. So they tried to see what

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<v Speaker 1>happened if you sever a nerve running from the claw

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<v Speaker 1>to the sort of central nervous system control for the claw. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>A lobster's nervous system is not exactly like ours. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't just have one central brain leading out to everything.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got ganglia, you know, the centralized nodes sort of

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<v Speaker 1>within the nervous system. So you would want to be

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<v Speaker 1>severing the reflexive fiber running from the claw to the ganglia. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>when they did this by severing that nerve somewhere in there,

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<v Speaker 1>it almost always resulted from the lobsters after they came

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<v Speaker 1>out of anesthesia, they would perform what's known as autotomy

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<v Speaker 1>on themselves. So the lobster's nerve is cut, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the lobster says, okay, don't need this claw anymore, and

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<v Speaker 1>they would sever their own arm and grow a new one. UH.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a standard reaction actually of crustaceans. When a

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<v Speaker 1>limb is trapped or damaged, they just cut it off

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<v Speaker 1>and grow a new one, which is a fantastic thing

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to do. Um And apparently severing the

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<v Speaker 1>nerve within the claw seemed to trigger some something in

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<v Speaker 1>the lobster that suggested it needed to do that. That

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<v Speaker 1>that that causes the behavior in the lobster that says,

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<v Speaker 1>something's wrong with this lamb. I'm removing it and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just get a new one. Fun tie in for tomorrow's

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<v Speaker 1>Weird House Cinema episode. Oh brilliant. I didn't even make

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<v Speaker 1>that connection. Yeah. So instead, the researchers tried to incapacitate

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<v Speaker 1>the part of the central nervous system leading to the claw,

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<v Speaker 1>so incapacitating it more centrally to the body. This did

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<v Speaker 1>work as expect did. It did prevent the claw in

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<v Speaker 1>question from becoming a crusher, so it has it must

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<v Speaker 1>have something to do with nerve inputs from the claw

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<v Speaker 1>that causes the asymmetry to develop. And they tested this

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<v Speaker 1>with some target exercise regimes. Actually, and here I I

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<v Speaker 1>thought this was great. So I just wanted to read

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<v Speaker 1>from the article. So Govind writes, quote, in an inspired moment,

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<v Speaker 1>we thought of enhancing activity by exercising one of the

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<v Speaker 1>pared claws in a substrate free environment. The lobster was

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<v Speaker 1>held and its claw gently stroked with a small paint

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<v Speaker 1>brush so that the bristles were gripped several times during

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<v Speaker 1>a sixty second session. This regiment was repeated three times

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<v Speaker 1>daily at five hour intervals through the entire fourth and

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<v Speaker 1>fifth stages, remember the malting stages. Um that is, for

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<v Speaker 1>about a month. A control group of lobsters was reared

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<v Speaker 1>under identical conditions, including being handled but not exercised. While

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<v Speaker 1>the lobsters in the control group developed paired cutter claws,

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:09.479
<v Speaker 1>the experimental lobsters developed a crusher on the exercised left side.

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<v Speaker 1>And the fact that the only perceived difference between the

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<v Speaker 1>two groups of lobsters was the amount of exercise strengthened

0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:20.480
<v Speaker 1>our belief that some minimal level of reflex activity in

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<v Speaker 1>the claw is probably needed to differentiate a crusher claw. However,

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<v Speaker 1>then they said, Okay, what happens if we do the

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<v Speaker 1>exact same thing, but we exercise both claws with the

0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:35.879
<v Speaker 1>paint brush, will this give us two crusher claws, which is,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, something that we basically never find in nature.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they cite one example of a lobster that

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<v Speaker 1>had two external morphology is looking like crusher claws, but

0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:48.959
<v Speaker 1>the muscles inside did not match. So that pretty much

0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:51.480
<v Speaker 1>it never happens in nature. Uh and they found no.

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:55.160
<v Speaker 1>In fact, their experiment could not produce two crusher claws either.

0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:58.399
<v Speaker 1>In fact, it was not only not able to produce

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<v Speaker 1>two crusher clause it gaven just opposite. Whereas tickling only

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<v Speaker 1>one claw with a paint brush and making the claw

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:08.359
<v Speaker 1>close around the paint brush by reflex that made that

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:12.040
<v Speaker 1>the crusher boss claw. Tickling both claws but the paint

0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:16.080
<v Speaker 1>brush equally turned the lobster into a symmetrical beast with

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:20.880
<v Speaker 1>two identical cutter claws only so huh. So if there

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<v Speaker 1>are any chefs out there who believe that the crusher

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<v Speaker 1>claw is superior, uh and and they're looking for ways

0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:32.199
<v Speaker 1>to create the the the the pure crusher lobster, uh,

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:35.960
<v Speaker 1>it thus far seems uh impossible to pull off. It

0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:39.119
<v Speaker 1>does not seem possible, though, though I will say this

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:42.080
<v Speaker 1>is an older article, I've not looked into subsequent attempts

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:44.560
<v Speaker 1>to create two crusher claw lobsters, but I doubt it.

0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:46.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you can do that. That's just not

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<v Speaker 1>part of the lobster's destiny not part of its genetic destiny.

0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:53.159
<v Speaker 1>So a lot of this seems to add up to

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<v Speaker 1>show that it's not just stimulation or use of a

0:27:58.280 --> 0:28:01.240
<v Speaker 1>claw that causes it to be come a crusher. But

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:03.760
<v Speaker 1>that's something that seems to be important, is that it

0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 1>is differential use, which is somehow weighed or compared internally

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:13.879
<v Speaker 1>by the lobsters nervous system or ganglia uh, and the

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:17.440
<v Speaker 1>side that gets more use becomes a crusher. So it's

0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:20.960
<v Speaker 1>not you can't exercise both sides and make them too crushers.

0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:24.440
<v Speaker 1>If you do them equally, you get no crushers. You've

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 1>got to get one side getting more stimulation or reflex

0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:32.439
<v Speaker 1>exercise than the other one, which suggests that there is

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that there is some kind of internal

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<v Speaker 1>comparison module going on in the nervous system. And so

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Govin concludes quote in nature, as in the laboratory, initial

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 1>use or contact of one claw with a substrate sets

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:51.920
<v Speaker 1>in motion an increasingly greater activity on that side. The

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:55.280
<v Speaker 1>greater neural input of that side determines in the central

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:58.560
<v Speaker 1>nervous system it's fate as a crusher, and at the

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:02.880
<v Speaker 1>same time inhibit the opposite side from ever becoming a crusher,

0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 1>and Govin ends up using an analogy of a teeter totter.

0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:10.360
<v Speaker 1>I thought this was funny, actual illustrations of crab claws

0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 1>on a playground teeter totter. So he shows, okay, you

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:15.960
<v Speaker 1>can have you can have a balance where one side

0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 1>is a crusher and one's a cutter, and so cutter

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 1>is up in the air, crusher is down. You can

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>have balanced with with both sides straight. You know they're

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:27.200
<v Speaker 1>both hanging up in the air and they're both cutter claws.

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:29.959
<v Speaker 1>But if you try to have two crusher claws, something

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 1>doesn't work there. It's like the pole in the middle

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:35.720
<v Speaker 1>of the teeter totter will break, it won't support it.

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:39.840
<v Speaker 1>So whatever the exact calculus of experience in the nervous

0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:42.719
<v Speaker 1>system leading to claw development, these experiments seem to make

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:46.320
<v Speaker 1>it clear that claw asymmetry is a prime example of

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 1>what Govind calls quote experience modulating inherent programs, and this

0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:55.120
<v Speaker 1>seems to be the underlying principle behind much of how

0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 1>any organisms body is formed and how it behaves, which

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of cuts through a lot of naive all or

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:05.959
<v Speaker 1>nothing nature nurture reasoning like much of what an animal

0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:10.959
<v Speaker 1>is is necessarily a product of both it's genetically innate

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 1>materials and programs that are the starting sort of the

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:18.040
<v Speaker 1>building blocks, and then life itself, the experience of living

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:21.280
<v Speaker 1>in an environment and the experiences that the organism has

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 1>those determine how those innate materials and programs are expressed,

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:31.480
<v Speaker 1>leading to vastly different outcomes, even completely opposite outcomes, flipping

0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 1>the sides on which the crusher claw exists. So in

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 1>the case of of a lobster, the metaphor is kind

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:39.880
<v Speaker 1>of profound. You know. It starts with potential for a

0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:42.760
<v Speaker 1>crusher on the right, a crusher on the left, or

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 1>no crusher at all, but probably not two crushers, and

0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:51.080
<v Speaker 1>then eventually the fixed form of its adult body depends

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>on some early experience, whether and how it digs around

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:59.959
<v Speaker 1>in oyster shell chips or even shirt buttons, some early experience,

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 1>some experience of moving one claw more than the other,

0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:07.719
<v Speaker 1>getting having some kind of sensory input causing reflexes, maybe

0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:12.400
<v Speaker 1>something that is information fed into the central ganglia through

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 1>the through the nerves and the claws determines okay, this

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:18.600
<v Speaker 1>clause getting more used than the other one that's the

0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:20.480
<v Speaker 1>one that's going to be the crusher for the rest

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 1>of my life. Fascinating. Now. I had to look this

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:25.840
<v Speaker 1>up real quick to see if there was any information

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:30.120
<v Speaker 1>about the taste debate between these two claws. I did

0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:32.400
<v Speaker 1>find an article. This is a two thousand eight Associated

0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Press article titled the Great Lobster Debate, claus Versus Tails.

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 1>As the title implies, this is mostly about taste differences

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 1>between the clause of a lobster and the tails of

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:48.760
<v Speaker 1>a lobster um, and it points out that that of

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 1>the two claus, the crusher claw generally is tougher than

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 1>the pinture claw. Uh, it doesn't. It doesn't get into

0:31:56.320 --> 0:31:58.840
<v Speaker 1>the taste differences between the two, but it does point

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:01.440
<v Speaker 1>out that the tai ill, on the other hand, is

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<v Speaker 1>meteor and more flavorful, in part due to the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that or in large part due to the fact that

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 1>the tail is used more the tail muscle is used

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:13.240
<v Speaker 1>more than the claw muscles. And this UH is cited

0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 1>to Brian Beal, a lobster expert and professor at the

0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 1>University of Maine. How many how many lobsters did he

0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:25.960
<v Speaker 1>have to eat for that experiment? But it does make

0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 1>me think that then maybe, certainly, if you're talking about

0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:30.800
<v Speaker 1>claw versus claw, it's probably going to be a matter

0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:34.000
<v Speaker 1>of personal preference. But it could be wrong on that.

0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Perhaps lobster h aficionados out there have some some input

0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:41.400
<v Speaker 1>on this. Maybe there's one claw they find themselves going

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:45.640
<v Speaker 1>to before the other. Maybe they're even certain dishes where oh, well,

0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 1>you you only want to use this claw for this dish,

0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 1>and then you want to save your pincher or save

0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 1>your crusher for some other dish. I don't know. Well, wait,

0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:56.160
<v Speaker 1>which one did you say was the one that was

0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 1>usually tougher the crush This article says the crusher claw,

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 1>the larger of the two used to crush things, generally

0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 1>is tougher than the pincher claw that apart. Yeah, so

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:09.239
<v Speaker 1>that the crusher claw is the slow muscle fiber and

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 1>the pincher is the fast muscle fiber. And I I

0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:15.240
<v Speaker 1>hesitate to say this because they may but they may

0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:16.960
<v Speaker 1>not be comparable at all. I'm not sure how the

0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 1>analogy goes across different you know, file of of animal life.

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:23.479
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, if you think about a chicken, like

0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:26.480
<v Speaker 1>the breast meat is generally the fast muscle fiber and

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:28.960
<v Speaker 1>the dark meat is generally the slow muscle fiber, and

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:32.560
<v Speaker 1>that translates to different types of taste and texture within

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the meat. Like generally chefs would cook dark meat to

0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:38.480
<v Speaker 1>a higher temperature because it has more sort of that

0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 1>needs to render out of it to render it tender. Yeah,

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:46.040
<v Speaker 1>this this article indicates that generally speaking, your lobster tail,

0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:49.800
<v Speaker 1>that's what's gonna get like deep fried or whatever. Uh,

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 1>while the claw meat is going to be more tender,

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:55.000
<v Speaker 1>and that's what's going to go into your lobster rolls

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:59.400
<v Speaker 1>and your lobster club sandwiches. I'm sure there are people

0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:01.160
<v Speaker 1>who want to find about whether you're supposed to deep

0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 1>fry lobster or not. We're not here to settle that debate. Um.

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, I found this little research journey fascinating trying

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:11.399
<v Speaker 1>to pin down how and why this happens in a lobster. Uh.

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 1>And it also just seems like somehow rich for metaphor. Yeah, yeah,

0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:18.360
<v Speaker 1>it's this is fascinating. I I don't know that I

0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:21.400
<v Speaker 1>had really given much thought to the same part, because

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 1>there are certainly clawed crustaceans out there that have that

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:28.839
<v Speaker 1>are more pronounced in their asymmetry, and I think we're

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna get into those more in the third episode in

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:34.840
<v Speaker 1>this series. Yes, there are some crustaceans, specifically some crabs

0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 1>that take claw a symmetry to a ridiculous extreme that

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:47.200
<v Speaker 1>we'll save those for next time. Thank thank Alright, So

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 1>sticking to the the aquatic world here, I thought I'd

0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 1>go in another direction that I imagine a lot of

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:55.719
<v Speaker 1>people were thinking about as we were talking about a symmetry,

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:57.719
<v Speaker 1>and particularly in the last episode, you know we were

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 1>talking about the blowhole of the toothed whale migrating up

0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:05.440
<v Speaker 1>to the top of the head. Well, um, we have

0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:08.360
<v Speaker 1>to talk about the flat fish. There's some eight hundred

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.920
<v Speaker 1>species of flat fish and global waters, and probably the

0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 1>most one of the most famous groups here is the

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:17.880
<v Speaker 1>flounder um. And if you haven't seen a flounder, do

0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 1>look up a picture. The pictures there are. A picture

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:25.400
<v Speaker 1>of a flounder is always amusing or unsettling. Um. Basically,

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:28.439
<v Speaker 1>what has occurred here is that the flat fish's eye

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:32.200
<v Speaker 1>left or right, depending on the variety of fish, has

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:36.000
<v Speaker 1>migrated to one side of its body to facilitate a

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:41.360
<v Speaker 1>sideways life in which it camouflages itself against the ocean floor,

0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:44.759
<v Speaker 1>but like basically living on the floor, kind of like

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 1>a array or something would live on the floor, but

0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 1>but it it acquires its flatness by being sideways. Both

0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 1>eyes are on the side facing up. This looks hilarious,

0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:02.359
<v Speaker 1>And uh, I think it's different, unless I'm forgetting one.

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 1>I think this is different than any of the other

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:08.160
<v Speaker 1>asymmetry examples we've talked about before, because I think all

0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:10.120
<v Speaker 1>of the other ones have been cases where there is

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:14.080
<v Speaker 1>something that's originally symmetrical on on both sides of the body,

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:17.879
<v Speaker 1>and then they develop in different ways like one uh

0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe one hole opens and the other one closes,

0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 1>or one claw grows bigger and with different shapes than

0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:25.440
<v Speaker 1>the other, different muscle fibers or something like that. They

0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:28.799
<v Speaker 1>just develop in different ways or two different extents. This

0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:31.680
<v Speaker 1>is a case of asymmetry where something that was originally

0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:35.600
<v Speaker 1>symmetrical has one of the two elements migrate to the

0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:40.280
<v Speaker 1>opposite side. Uh, so they're they're actually switching sides instead

0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:43.759
<v Speaker 1>of just like one growing bigger than the other or something. Yeah. Yeah,

0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:46.719
<v Speaker 1>it's it's super weird looking and and one of the

0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:49.840
<v Speaker 1>telling things about these fish is that you can also

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 1>look at larval flounders, for example, and see eyes on

0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:58.120
<v Speaker 1>both sides of the larva's head, so it's only as

0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:03.000
<v Speaker 1>they develop immature that the eyes move to the other side. Also,

0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:05.279
<v Speaker 1>like with some of the whale examples we were looking at,

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:08.080
<v Speaker 1>you can look back in the fossil record and make

0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:11.640
<v Speaker 1>out a halfway point in the evolution. Particularly, you can

0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:14.360
<v Speaker 1>look at the at the fifty million year old fossil

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 1>of Amphystium, which has an eye that has migrated to

0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 1>the top of the head, but no farther. Oh that's interesting,

0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:24.840
<v Speaker 1>So it would have like it's it's evolved enough that

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:27.200
<v Speaker 1>it has one eye pointing up and another one sort

0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:30.799
<v Speaker 1>of pointing perpendicular to that right. Okay, it has not

0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:34.360
<v Speaker 1>reached its final form. I guess you would say. Um.

0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:37.440
<v Speaker 1>I was reading an article from two thousand and eight

0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 1>in the journal Nature Buying Matt Friedman titled the evolutionary

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:46.440
<v Speaker 1>origin of flatfish asymmetry, and he points out that EOC

0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 1>and fossil evidence here with with Amphystium and another species,

0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 1>heteronic tease, both demonstrate the intermediate form. I mean, I

0:37:57.239 --> 0:38:00.080
<v Speaker 1>guess is at right angles is better than one of

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 1>just looking down at the dirt. Yeah. Yeah, but it's

0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:05.960
<v Speaker 1>it's it's again. This one makes me think back to

0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:08.120
<v Speaker 1>the cock eyed squid. It makes me think of just

0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:12.880
<v Speaker 1>some of the strange challenges of aquatic life in general

0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:19.319
<v Speaker 1>that lead to these adjustments in a creature's form. It's it's,

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 1>it's it's so fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. And of course, well

0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:24.839
<v Speaker 1>one might ask, well, you know, why don't we see

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:28.040
<v Speaker 1>more examples of things like this, uh, in the surface world.

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:29.680
<v Speaker 1>And I think the answer to that is we do.

0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:32.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, we talked to maybe not in so much

0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:36.480
<v Speaker 1>in terms of of asymmetrical solutions, but in terms of

0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:40.080
<v Speaker 1>like eyes moving with the evolution of a particular species.

0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we talked about, uh, we've talked about in

0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:45.520
<v Speaker 1>the show, the difference between the position of eyes on

0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:49.319
<v Speaker 1>herbivore versus the eyes on a predator. You know, do

0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:51.279
<v Speaker 1>you need your eyes in a position where you can

0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:54.359
<v Speaker 1>basically see all around you as much as possible at

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<v Speaker 1>a given time, or do you need those things hyper

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<v Speaker 1>focused on the thing that it's in front of you?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, these are positions it, uh, that are reached

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<v Speaker 1>via evolution. Yeah. And actually, to take that even further though,

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<v Speaker 1>this has less to do with the placement of the eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>but more about the shapes of the actual eyeballs themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we talked not too long ago about research

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<v Speaker 1>even finding differences in common eye shapes based on whether

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<v Speaker 1>a predator is like, is an active predator or an

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<v Speaker 1>ambush predator. You know that that tends to specialize for

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<v Speaker 1>different types of vision, Like do you need to have

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<v Speaker 1>really good vision for estimating the distance needed for one

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<v Speaker 1>pouncing jump, or do you need the kind of vision

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<v Speaker 1>needed for chasing over a period of time? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a fun example that it just had to

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<v Speaker 1>bring up. But I have another one here, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is another famous example of a symmetry, and this time

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<v Speaker 1>this we are dealing with with surface species and surface creatures.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's also an interesting example because it's an example

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<v Speaker 1>of a symmetry leading to more asymmetry. What happens when

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<v Speaker 1>an a symmetrical creature is your preferred prey? Uh, perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>you become more asymmetrical in order to take advantage of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's interesting. So you you'd imagine, like I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>making this up, but if you're fighting some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>giant lobster and one of its claws is bigger and

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<v Speaker 1>more dangerous than the other. If over evolutionary time your

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<v Speaker 1>species develops I don't know, tougher skin or defenses on

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<v Speaker 1>the side, that's that that matches the more dangerous lobster claw. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>assuming there's some consistency in which side of the giant

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<v Speaker 1>lobster the money claws on, that's true. I guess if

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<v Speaker 1>it was the American lobster, be random. So you're just

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<v Speaker 1>out of luck there. Yeah, But in this case we're

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<v Speaker 1>dealing let's talking about the food first, we're dealing with snails,

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<v Speaker 1>and snails are obviously asymmetrical, possessing either clockwise or counterclockwise

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<v Speaker 1>spiraling shells. Uh. And as a as a side a note,

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<v Speaker 1>slugs are also asymmetrical. Uh. Slugs, of course are evolutionarily

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<v Speaker 1>speak ing. Uh. They are snails that no longer need

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<v Speaker 1>to carry their homes with them. Put that put that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of lifestyle behind them, but they really retain the asymmetry. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not know this. So if I understand what

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying that the slugs evolved from ancestral snails, they

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<v Speaker 1>evolved from creatures that did have shells, and they evolved

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<v Speaker 1>to lose them. Them. Yeah. There. We we cover this

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<v Speaker 1>on an old episode of Stuff to Blow your Mind

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<v Speaker 1>many years back, and so some of the some of

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<v Speaker 1>the details are a bit foggy, but yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the basic story of slugs and snails. Um. And by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, if you look at a slug, you can

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<v Speaker 1>still you can visually mark the asymmetry if you look

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<v Speaker 1>for a particular it looks like a little circular feature,

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<v Speaker 1>a little hole or orifice on their body. That is

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<v Speaker 1>the Numas dome. And yeah, it's on one side as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to the other. That's really cool because that's another

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<v Speaker 1>case where it's like, um, I don't know, you just

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<v Speaker 1>imagining evolution operating in a in a direction op sit

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<v Speaker 1>to what you would have just naively assumed. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, knowing that whales evolved from mammals that used

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<v Speaker 1>to be land walkers, you know for quadrupedal land mammals

0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:12.080
<v Speaker 1>spent more and more time and water and eventually became

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<v Speaker 1>fully aquatic. So here these would be not not that

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<v Speaker 1>slugs evolved to gain shells, but that snails evolved in

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<v Speaker 1>some cases to lose their shells. Yeah. I mean, like,

0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:23.840
<v Speaker 1>like we've covered time and time again, nature is flexible.

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<v Speaker 1>When it comes to evolution, the card is always subject

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<v Speaker 1>to change. The card will change. Uh uh and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's it's it's the species that evolved themselves into

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<v Speaker 1>a corner sometimes that that that that find it the

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<v Speaker 1>hardest to survive long term. Okay, So in modern snails

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<v Speaker 1>and slugs, you've got this, uh, this asymmetry, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>some part of their biology having a kind of clockwise

0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:53.880
<v Speaker 1>or counterclockwise component. And this would of course be of

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<v Speaker 1>relevance to any kind of creature that interacts regularly, especially

0:42:57.800 --> 0:42:59.799
<v Speaker 1>with the snail that's got a hard external part of

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<v Speaker 1>this at this clockwise or counterclockwise shell. Right, And that

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<v Speaker 1>brings us to a species of snake known as Awasaki's

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<v Speaker 1>snail eader also known as Awasaki's slug snake, and these

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<v Speaker 1>are found in the ya Yama Islands of Japan, and

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<v Speaker 1>they specialize in eating snails, and they have specialized jaw

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<v Speaker 1>structures that enable them to prey on clockwise, spiraling or

0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:28.920
<v Speaker 1>dextral snails. However, as a result, they have a harder

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<v Speaker 1>time preying on counterclockwise or sinstral snails. So basically the

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<v Speaker 1>way this works out is the snakes mandibles have evolved

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<v Speaker 1>for extracting snail bodies from their shells and UH and

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<v Speaker 1>this evolved independently, apparently in at least three subfamilies. According

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<v Speaker 1>to Hosso and Hoary, writing in the Herpetological Review in

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and six, the snake inserts its mandibles

0:43:56.800 --> 0:44:00.840
<v Speaker 1>into the snails aperture and moves each man endable forward

0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:04.839
<v Speaker 1>and back to extract the body. And these two individuals,

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<v Speaker 1>Hosso and Horry, they've they've written several papers on the

0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:11.319
<v Speaker 1>on the snake. If you look up the Osaki snail eater, UH,

0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:15.120
<v Speaker 1>you know you'll you'll all often or always find these

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<v Speaker 1>researchers involved, including a two thousand seven paper titled right

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<v Speaker 1>handed Snakes UH Convergent evolution of asymmetry for functional specialization.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one where you should look up a picture

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<v Speaker 1>if you can. H The one I'm looking at now,

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<v Speaker 1>Rob that you supplied has the snake biting onto the

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<v Speaker 1>snail shell, and it's got its upper jaw position on

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<v Speaker 1>the outside of the shell, and it's lower jaw. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess that's the mandible reaching in underneath the tube of

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<v Speaker 1>the shell. So the lower jaw is what's getting inside yeah. Yeah,

0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:47.279
<v Speaker 1>it's uh, and just looking at the picture you can

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<v Speaker 1>be kind of hard to work out exactly what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wanna read a quote here from this two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand seven paper. They right, We found that snakes in

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<v Speaker 1>the subfamily Peratina, except for non snail eating specialists, have

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<v Speaker 1>more teeth on the right mandible than the left. In

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<v Speaker 1>feeding experiments, a snail eating specialist Piraeus Iwasaki, completed extracting

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<v Speaker 1>a dexterral soft body faster with fewer mandible retractions than

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<v Speaker 1>a sinstral body. The snakes failed in holding and dropped

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<v Speaker 1>sinstral snails more often, owing to behavioral asymmetry when striking. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's been preying on these snails so long that

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<v Speaker 1>it's specialized for for having one side of its mouth

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<v Speaker 1>ready to get at a certain side of the tube

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<v Speaker 1>of the snail's shell. And if it if it attacks

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<v Speaker 1>a snail of the opposite handedness and its spiral, it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be at a real disadvantage. Exactly. Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 1>again a fascinating example of a symmetry leading to more

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<v Speaker 1>a symmetry in the food chain. I'm so scared that

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<v Speaker 1>at some point here I've I've said snail when I'm

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<v Speaker 1>at snake and vice versa. I apology, I apology, I

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<v Speaker 1>apology if I did that. So anyway, you definitely look

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<v Speaker 1>up images of this the snakes, especially if you find

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<v Speaker 1>an image of it actually feeding on a snail shell.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, we're gonna go ahead and cap this

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<v Speaker 1>one off right here, but we will be back. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's going to be the episode after next in

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<v Speaker 1>which we return with part three in this series, but

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<v Speaker 1>there will be more creatures of note. There will be

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<v Speaker 1>more fascinating evolution and adaptation, and the crabs will finally

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