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Speaker 1: They Around the NFL podcast, What's not the oldest person

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Speaker 1: at Coachella? Londy was there too, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: From the Chris Leslie podcast studio. It's around the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Hansis, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler here, and yes,

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Speaker 2: the time has come. I liken this to the particularly

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Speaker 2: high profile Aaron Rodgers appearances on the Pat McAfee show,

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Speaker 2: when suddenly you're hosting a much larger audience than typical.

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Speaker 2: So we welcome music fans right now. And the time

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Speaker 2: has come now for Mark Sessler's review of Frank Ocean's

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Speaker 2: controversial weekend closing set at Coachella. Greg, I think the

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Speaker 2: right move here is for us to just kind of

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Speaker 2: get out of the way and let Mark monologue this

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Speaker 2: and take us through boots on the ground. Mark, there's

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Speaker 2: a huge global audience here right now. Pins and needles

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Speaker 2: for days, they waited on Monday Prize and disappointed. Now

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Speaker 2: they're back.

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Speaker 3: I could give you a more comprehensive review of snail Mail,

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Speaker 3: which was occurring during the daytime. I had a very

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Speaker 3: atypical strange weekend. It was wonderful, but I didn't stay

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Speaker 3: for the latest stuff.

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Speaker 4: Uh night after night. Wait, but we've planned out the schedule.

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Speaker 3: The way to actually set up a segment like this

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Speaker 3: would be to check with me on what I actually

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Speaker 3: witnessed and saw with my own eyes, because you knew that.

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Speaker 5: On Monday and he really built this up.

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Speaker 3: I was I thought Bad Bunny was amazing. Did you

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Speaker 3: see any of that? Like I didn't brought out post

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Speaker 3: malone and there was a massive technical glitch that caused

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Speaker 3: problems among the people there live.

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Speaker 4: It was I don't know if you've been, but it

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Speaker 4: was fun.

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Speaker 2: I've never been.

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Speaker 3: It was a like I one of my main goals

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Speaker 3: was to avoid like a dangerous sunburn, which I partially did.

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Speaker 4: I believe correct. And I'm a big snail mail fan,

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Speaker 4: so I like the shout out. I've seen them.

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Speaker 2: They were a few times. So for the Frank Ocean audience.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we just don't we don't have I think it's

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Speaker 3: Isn't it like sort of on brand that I would

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Speaker 3: You and I might have different goals when we'd go there,

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Speaker 3: and I maybe missed some of the things that would

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Speaker 2: So did you go?

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Speaker 5: It was late night. You were saying that they went

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Speaker 5: to one in the morning every night. You didn't think

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Speaker 5: got shut down oceans Uh late, It's.

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Speaker 4: Been a lot of recording since then.

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Speaker 5: There was I want to be an ice skating rink,

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Speaker 5: all these people that they had hired, uh, and then

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Speaker 5: they didn't see an ice skating right now.

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Speaker 2: He suffered an ankle injury on a bike on the

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Speaker 2: Coachello grounds. Did you catch that or any of that about? No?

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Speaker 3: So what I did was like went around like ten

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Speaker 3: that if you go during the day, everything is wide open.

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Speaker 3: And so I do more like ten to eight, eight

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Speaker 4: A live YouTube feed.

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Speaker 3: Would you go back, absolutely, because I think I next

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Speaker 3: time I'd know how to attack completely differently. I was,

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Speaker 3: you know, total new be early.

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Speaker 5: What are your feelings on the youth of America? Is

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Speaker 5: the future bright?

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Speaker 4: I think it's fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Corporation people were great, There was not I was not

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Speaker 3: the oldest person, by the way. There are definitely other

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Speaker 2: All right, justin, did you have anything before we move on? Oh?

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Speaker 6: Shoot, you caught me half guard. No, I hope Mark

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Speaker 6: had a great time.

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Speaker 5: I mean, who is this even talking?

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Speaker 4: I don't even know Mark?

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Speaker 6: Did you have fun? That's all that really came.

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Speaker 4: I had a time. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: I cannot give you a completest review on each of

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Speaker 3: I mean I floated. We built it up.

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Speaker 2: We got the audience. Yeah, and they learned a hard

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Speaker 4: I think they did, so did I? Next time, I'll

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Speaker 4: I'm going to be more cautious on my return.

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Speaker 2: Coming up today on around the end of fell Oh

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Speaker 2: my god, Jesus, take the wheel, take us the draft night.

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Speaker 2: We're not there yet. We got more. We got more

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Speaker 2: draft talk coming up. But we're lucky to have someone

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Speaker 2: that's excellent in this realm and really the NFL overall

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Speaker 2: in terms of coverage, Ben Solak from The Ringer. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna have him on to talk about some of the

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Speaker 2: the kind of outliers and some of the oddities of

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty three NFL Draft. It's kind of a

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Speaker 2: weird draft, especially in like the measurables department.

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Speaker 3: I think he also explains it really what what he

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Speaker 3: what he means by that, and what it means for

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Speaker 3: the future of the draft too, is intriguing.

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Speaker 4: These are these are human beings.

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Speaker 5: So we're gonna got it change the you know, we're

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Speaker 5: not gonna call it the freaks of the Draft, but

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Speaker 5: it's kind of like you know who, who's kind.

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Speaker 2: Of like that headline Okay, yeah, like that's pretty good.

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Speaker 4: Sort of what they are specimens?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, guys who stand out a little bit. Maybe we

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Speaker 2: Physical specimens.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you want just freaks. That sounds like it's something

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Speaker 4: Ana tests to the freak show.

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Speaker 2: That is the twenty twenty three NFL Draft. Look Away freaks.

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Speaker 2: This is a showman right here, look away slammer. Freaks

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Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty twenty twenty three NFL Draft. Not bad.

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Speaker 4: I think it's you've got something to sing with there.

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Speaker 2: They're hideous colon all right, Before that, let's hit some.

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Speaker 5: News party back time Pump snagging a throw for the.

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Speaker 2: Episode Wide Open Gray that are you touchdown?

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Speaker 4: Sad Friend? Just go?

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Speaker 3: Are you?

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Speaker 7: Are you his on fire, your foe is propped, Party Doo, monsters, Comma,

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Speaker 2: Colon breaking down the twenty twenty three NFL draft.

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Speaker 4: You're a storehouse of contents.

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Speaker 2: Rock Purdy, he took the league by storm late in

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Speaker 2: the most recent NFL season. Mister Irrelevant, as he's known,

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Speaker 2: which takes us to a report from NFL Networks Ian

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Speaker 2: Rapaport on Wednesday. He said that the Niners have fielded

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Speaker 2: calls from teams interested in trading for Trey Lance. Rapaport added,

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Speaker 2: no trade is imminent, but you know those things can

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Speaker 2: is going well. But there's interest in Lance from other teams. Mark,

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Speaker 2: You're back, so I'll tee you up. I know you

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Speaker 2: are a big, pretty guy, big forty nine ers guys,

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Speaker 2: the future. They traded up a huge amount of capital

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if something like this happened. I

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Speaker 4: Is after you gave up so much on.

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Speaker 3: A quarterback that has essentially barely been able to be

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Speaker 3: And it's like, yes, you're also you're at that point

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Speaker 3: just the league is gonna catch up. And it makes

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Speaker 3: me think of our friend Chris Wrestling when we got

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Speaker 3: that six game sample size from Jimmy G after they

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Speaker 3: much more variable. Do you do all this and do

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Speaker 3: you go into next season after quarterback depth has been

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Speaker 2: And then right now, Sam Darnold, Greg, let me see

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Speaker 2: you up. Just by reminding people what they gave up

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Speaker 2: to get Trey Lance. They traded with the Dolphins right

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Speaker 5: It was essentially a similar trade to what the Panthers

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Speaker 5: He's had one hundred and thirty two snaps dropping back

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Speaker 5: to pass in the NFL, and half of them were

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Speaker 5: Lance's numbers in that game.

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Speaker 2: I watched that game. It was just forget about it.

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Speaker 4: It was a preposterous game.

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Speaker 5: And the other times, though, he hasn't looked totally ready

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Speaker 5: he's looked like a guy who needed development, which isn't

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Speaker 5: surprising for a guy who didn't play that much in

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Speaker 5: college and played at North Dakota State. I think you

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Speaker 5: don't worry about what you get back if it's like reasonable.

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Speaker 5: I mean, the Lions just traded Jeff Okuda, who was

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Speaker 5: the number three overall picking the draft, what just one

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Speaker 5: one draft after Lance or one draft before him, like

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Speaker 5: the exact same, you know level, and they got a

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Speaker 5: Ian is reporting this, and the way you framed it, Dan,

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Speaker 5: forty nine ers a year ago putting out similar reports

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Speaker 5: that they're getting offers about Jimmy g Now, maybe history

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Speaker 5: is instructive there nothing ever happened, but it really feels

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Speaker 5: like it's the forty nine ers who are putting up

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Speaker 2: This is this is fantasy, it's fugazy, it's but there

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Speaker 2: is like logic to that twenty twenty one NFL draft

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Speaker 2: which started with Trevor Lawrence and moved to Zach Wilson,

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Speaker 2: And then it's Sam Darnold who's backing up Rock Party.

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Speaker 3: He averaged thirty four yards per game over the last

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Speaker 2: We love Ricky, We love Ricky.

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Speaker 5: They did bring back Jordan Poyer this year, but like

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Speaker 5: he'll have a big role on the team. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I'm sure I'm not the only one that's gonna be

439
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Speaker 5: somehow like seeing him out there is gonna you'll have

440
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Speaker 5: mixed feelings like you almost you just you just hoping

441
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Speaker 5: for the best. You know, how can you not think

442
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Speaker 5: about what happened? But all power to him that he's

443
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Speaker 5: he wants to play, He's ready to play.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Best of luck to DeMar Hamlin. That's what's happening

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Speaker 2: in the news. Let's take a break and then welcome

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Speaker 2: in Ben Solek. Sexy asked our music department to pull

447
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Speaker 2: up some Frank Ocean like music. Now we're doing over

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Speaker 2: in the music department.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't how much they had to pick from,

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Speaker 3: but they've they've made it a selection.

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Speaker 2: Joining us now is a man who knows his stuff.

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Speaker 2: We here. Here's the thing about our podcast. When we

453
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Speaker 2: have a draft person on or someone that knows the draft,

454
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Speaker 2: they are the real deal. So let's welcome in Ben

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Speaker 2: Zolac of The Ringer, who does excellent work covering the

456
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Speaker 2: league as a whole, but also just obviously a stud

457
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Speaker 2: when it comes to the draft season, and we're going

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Speaker 2: to get things going with Ben. How are you?

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Speaker 8: But I'm doing well, Greg, You're looking vibrant today, just

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Speaker 8: right Orange.

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Speaker 4: Thank you?

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Speaker 5: Yes, still Hawaii in my mind where it still still

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Speaker 5: a SWEATR. But thank you for pointing our listeners to

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Speaker 5: the YouTube channel. I know you're a big YouTube stor doing.

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Speaker 5: We're trying to grow it.

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Speaker 4: That second, well, just how did Dan and I look?

467
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Speaker 4: But when you're you're in that front.

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Speaker 8: Largely largely muted, largely.

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Speaker 2: What is what is over your left shoulder? Right now?

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Speaker 2: What does that say? Ben? Before we get into the

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Speaker 2: outliers of the NFL draft up?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, So that's that's my white board. It goes up

473
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Speaker 8: a lot. Like Greg said, I do a lot of

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Speaker 8: shows for the Ringer, and the white board always got

475
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Speaker 8: a bit on it, And for the past month it's

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Speaker 8: been Anthony Richardson no matter what which I wrote it.

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Speaker 8: I didn't realize that zoom was gonna cut off Anthony

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Speaker 8: Richardson most of the time. So I've been explaining this

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Speaker 8: a lot. It's obviously a call back to the great

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Speaker 8: Kevin Costner film Draft Day, and also my feelings on

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Speaker 8: a top of the quarterback class.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we're going to get to the draft step,

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Speaker 2: but I want to start there because this continues to

484
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Speaker 2: pop up, and I think maybe Ben is someone who's

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Speaker 2: active on social media and has a following. You are

486
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Speaker 2: pushing this narrative that Draft Day is a good movie.

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Speaker 2: Why are we doing this? Why are we pretending like

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Speaker 2: if we go back and watch that film, I still

489
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Speaker 2: haven't seen it again, in which Jennifer Garner plays a capologist,

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Speaker 2: tell me that that is a good movie or just

491
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Speaker 2: a movie that has football in its narrative structure and

492
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Speaker 2: uses the real logos that to me, that's the only

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Speaker 2: thing that movie really had going for it. Are you

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Speaker 2: going to say that was a good film?

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Speaker 8: Ben so, absolutely not not a good film by any

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Speaker 8: stretch of the imagination. For three hundred and fifty eight

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Speaker 8: days of the year. Now is it a nice centering

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Speaker 8: experience to hear them? Like, you know, make these like

499
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Speaker 8: all of all the memes, all of the tropes right

500
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Speaker 8: where it's like, ask me if anybody went to his

501
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Speaker 8: birthday party, Oh, I should see how far he's throwing

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Speaker 8: the ball. Like it just reminds you that, yeah, everything

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Speaker 8: we talk about in the NFL draft, if you were

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Speaker 8: to just put it, like get a third person view

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Speaker 8: on it, you realize how bananas this entire process is,

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Speaker 8: how all of this is contrived. It's all made up.

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Speaker 8: That's why Draft days fun to watch.

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Speaker 2: All right, maybe I'll revisit it. Let's stop.

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Speaker 5: Wait, but I want to know if Ben is a

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Speaker 5: wear because Ben was probably fourteen years old when it

511
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Speaker 5: came out that one of the three hosts heres had

512
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Speaker 5: a pull line used in the promotions of the movie.

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Speaker 5: And the line was full of Heart from start Zarnis

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Speaker 5: dash Mark Sessler, and it was literally in the trailer

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Speaker 5: of the movie.

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Speaker 3: I literally just give a little bit of backstory to

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Speaker 3: this because I had gone to say history, I mean,

518
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Speaker 3: I had gone to see I learned a great lesson

519
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Speaker 3: and as a younger person yourself, like, I hope you

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Speaker 3: would not fall into this trap based on this this

521
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Speaker 3: parable but like I was at my parents' house in

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Speaker 3: South Carolina and it was well into the evening. I

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Speaker 3: had a couple of glasses of wine to me and

524
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Speaker 3: had at some point offered to give a review to

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Speaker 3: the pr team of Draft Day. In short, they called

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Speaker 3: me on the phone and I read something that I

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Speaker 3: had written which was a little too flowery and maybe

528
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Speaker 3: a little too like. They pulled one line out of

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Speaker 3: it and suddenly it goes national with me glowing over

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Speaker 3: Draft Day, and I've never lived it down.

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Speaker 4: So don't follow in my.

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Speaker 2: By the way too long. Didn't read Mark was drunk

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Speaker 2: when he gave that quote. No, I would say heading there, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I'll set I've said it before. We're going to

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Speaker 2: get to it. But now we're on this draft day thing.

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Speaker 2: We were there at Radio City Music Hall when they

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Speaker 2: were shooting scenes for Draft Day, and I'll never forget

538
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Speaker 2: the panic when they were looking for Frank Langela, who

539
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Speaker 2: played I think the owner maybe of the team, and there,

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Speaker 2: Where's Where's Frank? Where's Frank? And Frank langel was wandering

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Speaker 2: down Broadway and they had to send a PA to

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Speaker 2: track him down so he can get the shot before

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Speaker 2: the draft started a little inside base.

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Speaker 4: Imagine if they had not gotten that shot.

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Speaker 2: Imagine Flynn Langella.

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Speaker 8: All right, enough lost the whole show.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to it, Ben, Should we start Richard's Yeah,

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Speaker 2: which is like the only He's the ultimate freak, Anthony

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Speaker 2: Richardson no matter what, the Florida quarterback and you are, obviously,

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Speaker 2: based on the whiteboard, a huge fan, one of the

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Speaker 2: heaviest qbs ever detested the combine and scored off the

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Speaker 2: charts on all the measurables. And do you say, Ben,

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Speaker 2: because of that because he's such an athletic freak outlier

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Speaker 2: that you got to take a chance on this unicorn.

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Speaker 8: Yes, but also no. I think that the most important

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Speaker 8: thing to say in the Richardson evaluation you talk about

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Speaker 8: him is that while he is a project right, he

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Speaker 8: cousney to development. He's got rough edges, he needs work.

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Speaker 8: He is not nearly like the raw ball of play,

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Speaker 8: you know, a year away from being a year away.

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Speaker 8: He's not that caliber project. There's shades of gray. We

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Speaker 8: love to go like either a guy's a project or

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Speaker 8: is ready to play. And it would be nice if

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Speaker 8: the world were that binary, but it isn't. When I

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Speaker 8: look at when Trey Lance came out of North Dakota State,

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Speaker 8: he goes three overall. When Josh Allen comes out of Wyoming,

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Speaker 8: he goes seven overall. Those guys were doing fewer developed

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Speaker 8: things as pocket passers than Anthony Richardson. Was Richardson as

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Speaker 8: one of the lowest sack rate quarterbacks to come out

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Speaker 8: in recent years. He is unbelievable, like buying time in

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Speaker 8: the pocket, finding a checkdown, getting rid of football. This

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Speaker 8: isn't like a crazy scrambler, make it all up to

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Speaker 8: always backgard football he does legitimate two two, three oh

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Speaker 8: three level things in the football field. He's only started

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Speaker 8: twelve games, so he's not complete. There's inconsistency, there's easy mistakes,

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Speaker 8: but it is not challenging to see the final form

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Speaker 8: of this player in terms of the actual like you know,

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Speaker 8: professional top button button quarterback stuff, and he's a runs

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Speaker 8: a four to four and he's two hundred and forty pounds.

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Speaker 8: You can froll the ball sixty uys and so now

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Speaker 8: we're describing a truly elite ceiling, not saying he's gonna

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Speaker 8: make it, not saying he's gonna be Josh Allen, but

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Speaker 8: saying that that the idea that, oh, if you take

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Speaker 8: Anthony Richardson, you're gonna lose all your games in twenty

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Speaker 8: twenty three and then maybe by twenty twenty four he's ready.

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Speaker 8: I don't I don't subscribe to that. I see a

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Speaker 8: player that gonna need a little bit of time. The

588
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Speaker 8: first couple of starts are going to be rocky. But

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Speaker 8: I could see you getting a functional NFL offense out

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Speaker 8: of him very quickly.

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Speaker 3: And you guested with Danny Kelly on the PFF mock draft,

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Speaker 3: and you had the number one overall pick for the Panthers,

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Speaker 3: and you you boldly just took Anthony richards and then mentioned.

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Speaker 4: A lot of the stuff that you just did.

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Speaker 3: I do wonder, though, because Bryce Young obviously is another

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Speaker 3: outlier in terms of his size, his weight, and how

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Speaker 3: you project that over the course of time in terms

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Speaker 3: of deliberate durability when you made that pick in that

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Speaker 3: situation that when your mindset, is it pro Anthony Richardson

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Speaker 3: or is it also mixed with concern as if in

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Speaker 3: that case the general manager a coach taking on the

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Speaker 3: Bryce Young project beyond the stuff you like about him.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's a mix. It certainly is. The way

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Speaker 8: I like to talk about Bryce Young is this. I

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Speaker 8: love watching him play. Great player, awesome dude, He's an inspiration,

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Speaker 8: He's sick, He's so much fun. Can't wait to watch

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Speaker 8: him play for somebody else, so excited to root for

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Speaker 8: him when somebody else takes the swing on the five

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Speaker 8: ft ten, two hundred pound quarterback.

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Speaker 5: Do you feel awkward at all as a slighter, shorter

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Speaker 5: man to talk about a prospect that way?

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Speaker 8: Extremely so. I did our Big Bryce Young Scouting Report

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Speaker 8: video for the Ringer of This Week and literally in

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Speaker 8: the top minute. I go. Now, I understand if people

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Speaker 8: are frustrated about a person my size complaining about Bryce

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Speaker 8: Young's size, because it really does feel like a very

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Speaker 8: small pot calling a larger kettle black. But that's the

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Speaker 8: reality of it is. I'm not trying to play the NFL.

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Speaker 8: He is right, and for Young, the size in terms

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Speaker 8: of shortness is a concern ability to see over the

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Speaker 8: middle of the field, the way affects his dropbacks. The

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Speaker 8: size in terms of slightness is a concern. The durability

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Speaker 8: the hits. He plays a style of ball that invites

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Speaker 8: a ton of contact, and you have to be concerned

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Speaker 8: about the body armor, the durability, how long he can

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Speaker 8: sustain his level of play five, six, seven years. I

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Speaker 8: think that like Young has already succeeded from an outlier

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Speaker 8: perspective and his size by playing as well as he

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Speaker 8: did in the sec Like he's already shown that he

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Speaker 8: can handle it, and he can he can get it,

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Speaker 8: he can get it done. He can he can achieve

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Speaker 8: at this lower size at the college level. Now he's

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Speaker 8: got to do it again at the pro level, where

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Speaker 8: everything gets raptured up a couple of notches. It's a

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Speaker 8: very very thin eye of the needle that you're trying

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Speaker 8: to thread. To me, I don't know if I want

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Speaker 8: to make the pick right.

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Speaker 5: And it sounds like he's got to go first and

639
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 5: they're not gonna be that worried about it. And he

640
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Speaker 5: did take lots of hits in the SEC But to

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Speaker 5: stick with Richardson one one last thing is like, I

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Speaker 5: I don't think he's been over hyped like I've been.

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Speaker 5: I've been getting some grief on Twitter that I have

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Speaker 5: a type in terms of quarterback prospects. It's like there

645
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Speaker 5: is no other type that's like Anthony Richardson coming out

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Speaker 5: in the draft. Cam Newton is the only one that

647
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Speaker 5: could compare physically in terms of what he can be

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Speaker 5: as an athlete. But he might have the best pocket

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Speaker 5: presence in this class, and so that's why he doesn't

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Speaker 5: seem like he's that big of a risk. I think

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Speaker 5: he has a high floor. Maybe he doesn't have and

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Speaker 5: he has a high ceiling too, but maybe he doesn't

653
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 5: reach that. But is his like inaccuracy doesn't seem that

654
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 5: bad to me. They were just throwing down the field

655
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 5: and for the most part he was accurate enough and

656
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,479
Speaker 5: My type is like athletes, but it's also pocket presence,

657
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 5: Like Philip Rivers is my favorite quarterback just about over

658
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 5: the last twenty years because he has insane pocket presence

659
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 5: and Richardson has that which is like you kind of

660
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 5: can't teach that. He moves around and makes time in

661
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 5: the pocket. So that's like two things to me. It's

662
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 5: hard to imagine having those two things and not succeeding.

663
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 5: And he's the ultimate freak. He would be the most

664
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 5: fun person.

665
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 4: So Mark, absolutely I would agree with you.

666
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know if you had.

667
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 3: Oh, I have someone that I have been fascinated with,

668
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 3: and I heard you talk about him a little bit.

669
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 4: It's Darnel Washington.

670
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 3: When we talk about a physical freak six seven two

671
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 3: sixty four, and just when to watch some of his tape,

672
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 3: just the way he appears next to other human beings,

673
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 3: even very large human beans on the field. I guess

674
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 3: the question is because there's there's no doubt that like

675
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: he would absolutely be a tantalizing idea for scouts, for coaches,

676
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 3: and what you might turn him into. Do you think

677
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: that he can come in and be highly productive as

678
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: a pass catcher after what you've seen of his college tape.

679
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 8: Not in your one, because right now, Washington is a

680
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 8: guy in order to produce, you have to funnel him targets.

681
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 8: You have to choose to throw him the football. He's

682
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 8: really good yards after the catch, right He's really good

683
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 8: turning a shallow passing into a big long run. In

684
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 8: terms of his route trait, in terms of how he

685
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 8: addresses the ball downfield. He's in need of development. The

686
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 8: reasons because Georgia had him and Brock Bowers, who you

687
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 8: to watch college football, brock Man Bronx about as good

688
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 8: as it gets through a college tight end. He's unbelievable.

689
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 8: He's gonna go very, very high next year. And so

690
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,239
Speaker 8: they let Brock be the receiving tight end, and then

691
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 8: Washington would stay in the block and occasionally they lead

692
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 8: him out using on play action and then he'd get

693
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 8: a catch here, catch there, because I'm a stampeding tyrannosaurce

694
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 8: rex after the catch. But he's not like he just

695
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 8: got a ton of reps and a ton of opportunity

696
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 8: to develop in terms of a true pass catcher. So

697
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 8: if you draft Washington early on to get him to

698
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 8: produce in the passing game, you have to decide, Okay,

699
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 8: we're running a Darnell Washington play. Hopefully, over the time

700
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 8: he plays in the NFL, leon a plus blocker for you.

701
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 8: He's a weapon in the running games. He can lead

702
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 8: block right, he can be impactful in space. And then

703
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 8: with those catches that he gets in the design game,

704
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 8: he starts to grow his route tree more downfield, more

705
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 8: mature route tree that you tend to see from NFL

706
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 8: tight ends. And now you got a stew going. I mean,

707
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 8: now you're you're cooking with about as complete of a

708
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 8: tight end as you can get. He's very, very exciting.

709
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 8: I'm increasingly becoming accustomed to the idea of him going

710
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 8: at the back end of round one. I think if

711
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 8: you're talking like two or three weeks ago, I would

712
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 8: have said, no, I don't think it's happening. The closer

713
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 8: we yet, the more it seems like there's a couple

714
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 8: of chances for him to go late round one. I

715
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 8: think by pick fifty he's gone.

716
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 5: Well, you brought up, you know, his playing time, and

717
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 5: you kind of have to look deeper when you look

718
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 5: at that Georgia roster, like why you're not getting them

719
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 5: any snaps and so when I think for or size outliers,

720
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 5: like they have two more in this draft that we

721
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 5: could talk about. Nolan Smith to me is like a

722
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 5: prototype that we really don't have in the NFL, Like

723
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 5: maybe it's a Son Reddick. Maybe the way that defenses

724
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 5: are now playing like five defensive linemen essentially like five

725
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 5: man fronts at the same time, and the fifth guys

726
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 5: like sort of defensive lineman but not really and that's

727
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 5: a Son Redick. That could be Nolan Smith, who just

728
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 5: seems like an insane pass rusher but it's just incredibly light.

729
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,479
Speaker 5: And then also you have Jalen Carter as your number

730
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 5: one overall player, and he's a freak in terms of

731
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 5: his talent in terms of what he can do at

732
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 5: that size. And we haven't really talked about Carter that

733
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 5: much other than the off field stuff. So I guess

734
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 5: between those two, i'd love to hear, like why you

735
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 5: why you do have Carter first and kind of taking

736
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 5: away the off field stuff because he's also a guy

737
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 5: that hasn't ever played more than four hundred snaps in

738
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 5: a season, which is wild for a guy who was

739
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 5: the presumptive number one overall pick, Like why why would

740
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 5: he be that high without seeing him on the field

741
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 5: as much as you would want.

742
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 4: In Georgia.

743
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just like moving my hands around a lot.

744
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 8: And there's no there's no way to talk without hands.

745
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 8: It's never done before.

746
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: Four year old Sicilian grandmother like in the kitchen, go ahead, now.

747
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 8: My my family is is Russian, right, Russian immigrants and

748
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 8: just always everything. So all the time I'm on pods

749
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 8: and you're hearing snapping and clapping in the background because

750
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 8: it's me imitating my mother. Uh Carter and Nolan smith Man.

751
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 8: I don't know what they feed him in Georgia. It's unbelievable.

752
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 4: I like you.

753
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 8: When you talk to college people who like like look

754
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 8: at recruiting, they say, the biggest difference between Kirby and

755
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 8: at Georgia, Nick Saban and Alabama is saving kind of

756
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 8: recruit skies, okay, a good high weight speed and then

757
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 8: we can add mass to them, we can develop them.

758
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 8: Kirby just drafts guys who just move differently than everybody

759
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 8: else moops. He just he just find scours the country,

760
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 8: finds the ten guys you can't teach it, and gets

761
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 8: them all in a bulldog's uniform. So with Nolan Smith.

762
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 8: This is the sort of body type and athletic profile

763
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 8: that years ago was going to be carrying two hundred

764
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 8: and thirty pounds. It was going to be playing wide receiver,

765
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 8: and said, now he's carry two hundred and forty pounds

766
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 8: and he's playing He's playing edge's playing pass rusher. The

767
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 8: enthusiasm that this young man has for defending the run

768
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 8: at this size is really sick. I mean, it's it's

769
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 8: awesome to see and he gives you hope that he's

770
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 8: gonna be able to hang on the edge of the

771
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 8: NFL level. You bring up a Son Reddick with Chennan

772
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 8: Nuwosu long time charging now with the Seahawks is another

773
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 8: example of he's going to stand up, He's going to

774
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 8: line up super wide away from the tackle. He's going

775
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 8: to be impactful pass rusher. Can he stay on the

776
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 8: field for all three downs? Can you put him on

777
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 8: the field in first and ten? That's the big question

778
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 8: with him, and with the way he plays the run

779
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 8: on the SEC. I think you can, but i'd be

780
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 8: hold him my breath. I mean, those first couple of

781
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 8: weeks watching him in training camp, you're really hoping that

782
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 8: that he's got that stuff. He's gonna be about a

783
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 8: eighty pound deficiency to the guys he's playing in the

784
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 8: running games. So it's scary, but he's got an encouraging

785
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 8: film with Carter. The rotation at Georgia is part of

786
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 8: is part of a result of how well they recruit.

787
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 8: It's also part of the recruiting process. They are willing

788
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 8: to get young players on the field. We're willing to

789
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 8: put really talented freshman retrot freshman sophomores on the field,

790
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 8: and accordingly you kind of get some of these low

791
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 8: snap counts. It doesn't bother me too much with him.

792
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 8: Carter's the sort of guy where you know, you watch

793
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 8: him for about five ten plays you go, oh yeah, no,

794
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 8: three hundred and ten pounders don't move like this. This

795
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 8: isn't real. This is a figment of this has been doctors.

796
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 8: This is ai footage. It's it's it's endominic and Sue esque.

797
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 8: In my opinion, I've heard Fletcher Cox. I think that's

798
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 8: a warranted comparison as well. This is a guy with

799
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 8: double digit sack potential from the interior. Yeah, conditioning is

800
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 8: going to be a question in year one, but if

801
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 8: I'm taking him top three, top five, top ten. I'm

802
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 8: trying to maximize his role in my defense.

803
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: Just that.

804
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, if he needs some time off in year one,

805
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 8: I'll give him that time off in year one to

806
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 8: ensure he's the force he can be on third down.

807
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 8: So I'm not too too concerned about the volume.

808
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 2: Let's let's circle back does everything with this draft that

809
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: we talk about the outliers, the freaks of the draft.

810
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: This draft is small. It's like a it's going to

811
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: be a short number one pick. You got short r

812
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: you got smallish wide receivers. But let's talk Ben the

813
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 2: short King dou spawn running back here at Kansas State

814
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: five foot five GREGGI five to five Gregy. You got

815
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: him the shortest dude ever measured at the combine. MJD

816
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: one of the great running backs of the aughts. Also

817
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 2: NFL employee here now has him as his number fourth

818
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: ranth running back aspect. What do you think of MJD?

819
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 5: Who they rounded up to five seven or so?

820
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 2: So right, there's something there well Ben.

821
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 5: And Ben, but also weighed about thirty more pounds coming out.

822
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 3: Ben's friend in Cooker, Tanny Kelly, called this player MJD

823
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 3: with a tapeworm, so there is some connective tissues.

824
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 2: Let's talk about our short king out of Kansas State.

825
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 8: He is a delightful young player, as quick as a wink,

826
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 8: He's tough as nails. It's actually really good in pass

827
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 8: protection because he's naturally predisposed to chopping.

828
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a.

829
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 8: Great cup block player because it can't really be much

830
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 8: of anything else. So he's actually really good in pass protection.

831
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 8: I think there's a way that he's a special teams player.

832
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 8: I'm not sure that he's got runaway speed such that,

833
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 8: like you know, he's he's going to be like a

834
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 8: truly impactful returner, but he's not. He's physical and and

835
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 8: he can hang. You can definitely make guys miss. You

836
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,479
Speaker 8: are very limited in terms of what you can run

837
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 8: with him as a true running back because he's just

838
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 8: not going to be able to break the number of

839
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 8: tackles that you need him to in the first levels.

840
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 8: Really hard to get him to run between the tackles

841
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 8: consistently at the NFL. So I'm sadly out on our

842
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 8: short kingdom span. I do find Ducebawn a delightful player.

843
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 8: He's very fun to watching. His college career fun Yeah, you.

844
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 2: Just just put another chip on his shoulder.

845
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 5: It feels you looked in the mirror and just thought, like,

846
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 5: you know, you're you've been down on some of these shorter,

847
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 5: smaller guys. Is there something you need to work out?

848
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 5: You know, in terms of like is it is it

849
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 5: coming from the end, you know, the big guys.

850
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 4: I'm trying to.

851
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 5: Say toward be proud, like I love me some tankd

852
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 5: del I like some of these smaller receivers.

853
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 4: I think we raised them up.

854
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 5: Let's let's lift them up then instead of trying to

855
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 5: hold them down. Let's football is for big guys. Let's

856
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 5: bring this up on the screen here. And this was

857
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 5: a tweet that that you responded to the other day.

858
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 5: Someone explained this Ben, someone's coming at you, uh in

859
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 5: this time of year when you're obviously putting a ton

860
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 5: of work in about your actual playing history, and you

861
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 5: swatted them down.

862
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 8: Yeah. The folks like to say all the times guys

863
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 8: never played a Snapple football in his life, which means

864
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 8: that they haven't watched fifth and sixth grade Strausburg High

865
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 8: School football exactly. I was the starting slot back, thank

866
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 8: you very much. I Uh. We were in a practice

867
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 8: in seventh grade before the season started and future first

868
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 8: round pick of the Colorado Rockies. Mikey Nickeract who was

869
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 8: our quarterback hit me in Oklahoma Drill. He's a quarterback now.

870
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 8: Hit me in Oklahoma drill and left an indent in

871
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 8: the turf where my body landed. I distinctly remember looking

872
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 8: up to the sky and going, yeah, marching band. I

873
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 8: think is probably that's where the marching band across.

874
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, good move, that's all good. Mark's Pop Warner

875
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: days have floated our show for years. We've always needed that,

876
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: Like what are our bona fides? Like? Mark played in.

877
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 3: Pop Warner A play that played in the backfield, and

878
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 3: if I were not roughly twenty years older than Ben,

879
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 3: we might have faced each other on the field.

880
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 4: I wanted one of those fields.

881
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 8: But absolutely, yeah, it's I love the uh. I love

882
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 8: that you never played. It's like, yeah, man, like everyone knows, no, nobody,

883
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 8: nobody was watching my stuff going well, this guy definitely

884
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 8: played in college and they saw your tweet and they're like,

885
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 8: wait a minute, no he didn't. You're not breaking any news.

886
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 5: You do you have a favorite of those small receivers?

887
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 5: Do you any of that you like? Because you mentioned that.

888
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 5: I think there's nine that are under one hundred and

889
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 5: eighty pounds in this draft, which is just crazy. And

890
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 5: there's guys like like Tank Tail, who's probably going to

891
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 5: be a Day two pick, but you know it's like

892
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 5: one sixty five, which is just another level.

893
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, if I can sneak Zay Flowers in there, the

894
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 8: young man in Boston College is one eighty two. Love

895
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 8: a Zay Flowers. That's a that's an explosive player with

896
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 8: a lot of deep potential. I think that I think

897
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 8: Zay's gonna go earlier than people think. I think Ay's

898
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 8: got a good chance to be wide receiver one, depending

899
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 8: on where Smith and Jamie goes. League likes him a lot.

900
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 8: The Patriots have like met Zay Flowers third cousins at

901
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 8: this point, Like the Patriots scouting staff has just lived

902
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 8: with Zay Flowers for the last month. It seems like

903
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 8: he's a legit option there in the teens. Uh. And

904
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 8: then if we go true under one eighty, Josh Downs

905
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 8: out of unc is really fun.

906
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 4: Uh.

907
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 8: It's always cool to see a smaller receiver be really

908
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 8: really effective in contested cash situations, which is what he is.

909
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 8: He's got a great knack, he's got a great eye

910
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 8: for the ball, very very shifty. He's just a slot.

911
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 8: There's just all slots at the NFL level, and the

912
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 8: slot position is moving away from small, speedy guys, and

913
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 8: it's moving towards big guys who can contribute in the

914
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 8: blocking game and can contribute in the running game. And

915
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 8: so it's just harder to find homes for these dudes

916
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 8: than it was five ten years ago.

917
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 3: One little note on Zay Flower today, he is actually

918
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 3: working out with Patrick Mahomes. The Chiefs brought him in

919
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 3: for that specific reason. I know they'd have to move

920
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 3: around again him, but that would be juicy.

921
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: Indeed.

922
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 8: I love it well.

923
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: And we'll end things with this a tweet from earlier

924
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: today from Benjamin Solac, where you could follow him on Twitter.

925
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: Day one of the twenty twenty three NFL Draft is

926
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 2: in eight days, and I think I could better predict

927
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 2: the first five picks of the twenty twenty four draft

928
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 2: than I could the twenty twenty three draft. I kind

929
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: of like that. Yeah, like I I the draft store,

930
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: you could kind of nail the top ten or get

931
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: close to it. Not as compelling to me as these

932
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: wide open years, so it will be fun, Ben to

933
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: see how it all plays out.

934
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 8: That's the that's the sentiment of somebody who does not

935
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 8: attempt to bet on the NFL draft. Right there exactly

936
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 8: on my side on the line, I really like those ones

937
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 8: you can figure out on the top ten.

938
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 5: I do like that, and I do like you said

939
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 5: to me, like we've now reached that point of the

940
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 5: draft process. You put a more moratorium on new draft takes.

941
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 5: No more draft takes. Everything has been said, and now

942
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 5: we just kind of ride right out the next nine days.

943
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 4: Nothing new.

944
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, anybody who's dropping a I think X could y

945
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 8: on April fifteenth. You're just bored. You're just bored out

946
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 8: of stuff. Time to stop. We've done enough. Let's see what.

947
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: Happens, uh, Ben. Thank you for joining us, Buddy, and

948
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 2: everybody follow Ben on his NFL stuff, his draft stuff

949
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: at the Ringer of course and the Ringer NFL Show

950
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: on Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast.

951
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 4: Ben, thank you very much, Bud appreciate it, fellas big,

952
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 4: sure you, Ben, Thank you.

953
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: There he goes. Good stuff from Benjamin Solak. All right,

954
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: one more break and then we'll finish up the show.

955
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: All right, we're back.

956
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 5: You know, you know, we've been like doing this show

957
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 5: a while. When yeah, people we have on we're in

958
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 5: their teens when Draft Day came out, I don't really

959
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 5: know that, but that would be my guest.

960
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 4: I don't know where he's at. He's twenty six, I believe.

961
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 2: Let's just say Ben is most likely younger than us

962
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 2: and perhaps significantly so. But he knows his stuff. And yeah, yeah,

963
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: I don't. There are people that will. And speaking of which,

964
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 2: here's a plug. Mark, you have your mock draft coming up.

965
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: Justin Graver, our producer, kind of put his kind of

966
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: made his big arrival at the draft last year in

967
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: terms of our universe by competing with his own mock

968
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: draft that he really did well. Yes, and now what

969
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: we have here, Greggy and they are different sports, but

970
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: there's a bit of a Magic Bird thing going on

971
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: here now between Graver and Cessler in terms of the

972
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: mock draft coming up this next week. So I'm very excited.

973
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if if I'm Magic or Bird in

974
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 3: that scenario, but if Magic or if one of the

975
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: two were massively detached from the penning results.

976
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 5: That this documentaries made, it's definitely missing, you know, kind

977
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 5: of one component which I think was a factor in

978
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 5: the whole magic thing, the racial given talent here but

979
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 5: you know or that any talent. Yeah, it could be it.

980
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 2: Yes, we're missing the racial component of this.

981
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 4: Say to another level, yes.

982
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 6: Justin I have been putting a lot of pressure on

983
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 6: myself to actually do well this year because I feel

984
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 6: like I did pretty well last year. You know, ten

985
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 6: team player matches would have tied for first according to

986
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 6: the Huddle Report that grades all the mock drafts. But

987
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 6: now I'm like, if I don't live up to those

988
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 6: expectations I've set for myself, I'm going to be very disappointed.

989
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 6: And it's an unpredictable draft.

990
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 3: So as someone who I think nailed maybe one pick

991
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 3: last year, I will tell you that you'll wake up

992
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 3: the next day and life continues to force jah.

993
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: You've said, Mark, I don't know if this is still

994
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: the case a few weeks later, that you've been reinvigorated

995
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 2: by the draft process this year, which makes me think

996
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 2: you might be ready to deliver your masterpiece.

997
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 3: I will say that I think that, as Ben was saying,

998
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: this is the Ben Solock has done thousands of hours

999
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 3: of work and does not believe you could even do

1000
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 3: a better mock than just simply guessing next year's draft.

1001
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 3: I think that's an ominous roadmap for myself attempting the

1002
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: same process. But I think that also says anyone can,

1003
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 3: like my mom could do one of these and probably

1004
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:13,919
Speaker 3: get in the top five.

1005
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 4: Thing in this little idea, Yeah my mom, you get

1006
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 4: your mom to do.

1007
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, it would seem like the hard air thing, or

1008
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 5: the more you think it's for my mom would be

1009
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 5: would be would be knowing which players are going to

1010
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 5: be good at football at the NFL level. But you

1011
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 5: can't really do that immediately after the draft.

1012
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 4: You can't.

1013
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: Really.

1014
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 5: No one knows who is actually good at doing that.

1015
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 5: They don't know.

1016
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be kept up at night about the missing

1017
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 2: racial component of the mock draft.

1018
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, you're expecting it to take off. That's

1019
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 5: sort of the unsaid Larry. You know bird magic thing, right,

1020
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 5: I don't think it would have taken off in the

1021
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 5: same way.

1022
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: Two whites takes away some sizzle here. Hey, speaking what

1023
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: you've got a big announcement? What day?

1024
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 5: What day are we dropping your mock? By the way,

1025
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 5: do we have a plan for that.

1026
00:47:59,120 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 4: I'd love to know.

1027
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 3: I'd also love to know the about next week, what

1028
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 3: day next, later in the week, let's go later.

1029
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 2: Obviously next next Monday, No, next late next Wednesday. That's

1030
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 2: that's the latest week can go.

1031
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 3: I think went right up to the edges. When we

1032
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 3: do it because there's new information coming.

1033
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: In, you do it like the Mayok version. It's like,

1034
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 2: I'm not with all these the riff raft. I give

1035
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: you one mock draft and that's all you get.

1036
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 3: There's no.

1037
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 4: We've done it on Wednesdays. Yeah, we'll do Wednesday, big announced.

1038
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 4: I always remember draft Day. You're like, oh, things have

1039
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 4: already changed. My mock's all messed up.

1040
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: He does care.

1041
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 3: I like that you do care about us, like a

1042
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 3: little dog, like biting at your attempting to just do your.

1043
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: Shut up big announcement on the draft. We've been teasing this,

1044
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 2: and now here it is. Do we have the horns?

1045
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: Do we have the medieval times or the height of

1046
00:48:55,400 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: the English Empire? Yeah, some call it a fallen empire now,

1047
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 2: but listen, we have a huge overseas fan base, so

1048
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 2: we would never say.

1049
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 4: That we don't reference in that way.

1050
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 2: We will be doing a live stream of the twenty

1051
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: twenty three first round NFL Draft from the NFL Media

1052
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: Headquarters here live YouTube stream. We will be on camera.

1053
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 2: This feels like a mistake. We'll be on camera for

1054
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: all three plus hours of the first round, chopping it up,

1055
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 2: discussing the different moves, the picks, the trades. We'll have obviously,

1056
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 2: if you're familiar at all with the Friday Fun Show,

1057
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: we'll have a comments section we'll have we'll interact interface

1058
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 2: with our listener slash viewers, as well as other fun

1059
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: things to come, which we should be planning post haste,

1060
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 2: but that will be a component as well.

1061
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 5: Hopefully we'll be coming shopping by. I feel like a hang.

1062
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 5: It's a hang where we still got every anyone who's

1063
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 5: the audio only we're still doing the podcast afterwards, recapping

1064
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 5: round one as we would always do, and if you

1065
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 5: wanted to check out the YouTube, it's got to be

1066
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 5: best live, but I think it'll be up there on

1067
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 5: YouTube after the fact to just rewatch it over and over.

1068
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 2: Mark people say this is revolutionary. No one's ever done

1069
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 2: this before live stream, and that's just what we are.

1070
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 2: We're innovators.

1071
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 3: I hang it from a technological angle. We've always been aggressive,

1072
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 3: and this is another example of it.

1073
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 5: It's like, have you ever wondered what it'd be like

1074
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 5: to just hang out with us? As we watched the draft.

1075
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 2: They're just like regular guys. It's like hanging out with

1076
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: guys at the bar right there. That's the show.

1077
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 3: Do we do the thing now where we uh we

1078
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 3: brag about not going to the men's room the entire time.

1079
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 4: We just sit in the chairs for now.

1080
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 2: No, I'll be using the laboratory multiple times.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so many coming, so many times as we please. See.

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Speaker 5: That's one of the things about Dan when you're when

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00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 5: you watch games with him, you're just like, what.

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00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 2: Is he missed the entire third quarter?

1085
00:50:58,680 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 4: Irish? Goodbye?

1086
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 2: He had time and he's still gone? Is he? Okay?

1087
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: That's that's what separates our show. We're in the bathroom

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00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 2: all the time.

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Speaker 4: It's very different. It would be. It would be a

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Speaker 4: lot of fun.

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Speaker 5: It's like they're just buddy is It's like, that's the show.

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Speaker 5: It's too many drops at this point. I we haven't

1093
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 5: done this though. It will be a fun, fun time

1094
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 5: to hang I am looking forward to here.

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00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 2: Here's my here's my picture of the audience, because we

1096
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 2: really want you to join us the listeners. It could

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Speaker 2: be really good and fun. It could be really bad.

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Speaker 4: Also, yeah, what.

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Speaker 3: If we get like thirty eight minutes in and we

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Speaker 3: realized this is ishtar, this is a complete.

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Speaker 2: It's what I mean, Like, if we're all of a

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00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: sudden doing our version of Draft Day, it's we're in

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00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 2: and you get to see that.

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Speaker 5: Although it could be like Dan's surprise birthday party that

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00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 5: Emily through Dan could just be like, no, we're any

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00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 5: can we.

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Speaker 2: Do deuces if we don't like the flow?

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Speaker 4: And it's just I think so.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you get to do that a

1110
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 2: pandemic you can call, you can parachute out.

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00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 5: It's not on the NFL now or anything like or

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00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 5: NFL Plus or anything. So it's like we're we're running,

1113
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 5: it's our call. That could be part of the dramatic tension.

1114
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 5: Will we get to.

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00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 2: Our doing like that? The Shadowy League figures seem somewhat

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00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: invested out. Here's a oh here it is. Look at

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00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 2: this from April eighth, twenty fourteen, Draft Day's official Twitter account.

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00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 2: I wonder if that still exists Draft Day Movie. I

1119
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 2: guess it does. Mark Sessler, NFL Colon hashtag Draft Day

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Speaker 2: delivers on the great tension of the NFL.

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Speaker 5: There's full of art, get your tics.

1122
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 4: What a what a disaster? Absolutely retweeting this with no content.

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Speaker 2: And there it is as full of heart from.

1124
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 4: Start, do not grow to finish.

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Speaker 2: Mark Sessler, Comma NFL dot com Comma around the League.

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Speaker 4: I that was the beginning of my break with Twitter,

1127
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 4: roughly a decade ago. When is it? Are you broken together?

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Speaker 3: I lost interest in it and it was because of

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Speaker 3: that and the resulting So thanks for retweeting that, Greg, If.

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Speaker 4: You're going to be finding that right now, appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Is it? What happens to these Twitter handles when the

1132
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 2: movie's long gone? I guess it just oh man, Dennis

1133
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 2: Leary was terrible in this movie. Got to still be there.

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00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 5: They've got a retweet of rich who had.

1135
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 2: Garner the cap? They put p Diddy in it? What

1136
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: a mess? Anyway? All right?

1137
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 4: It was meant to be the Bills before the Browns.

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00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. The other thing is, how could you ever

1139
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 2: get behind as a sports fan any movie that opens

1140
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 2: with the Seattle Seahawks defending Super Bowl champions have the

1141
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 2: number one overall pick. Get out of here? Yeah? I will.

1142
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 4: I'm gonna find this.

1143
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 3: There is a column somewhere on NFL dot com where Dan,

1144
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 3: you and I both gave our viewpoints on it, and

1145
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,479
Speaker 3: I know that you've you've recently come down so hard

1146
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 3: on it. I I want to go back and see

1147
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 3: what you wrote, because I thought you were a little

1148
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 3: bit closer to the middle, and I will.

1149
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 4: I'll dump up my results.

1150
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 2: Perhaps perhaps a little closer NFL dot com fresh. I

1151
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 2: remember our boss at the time was very pointed in, Hey,

1152
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 2: you can't kill the movie. We haven't.

1153
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 3: It's sort of an absurd like written product. If we

1154
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 3: can't give an at review.

1155
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 2: If if you if we could track that down, if

1156
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 2: you read that back and forth, because you weren't over

1157
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 2: the moon about the movie until Yeah, the Glasses of Wine.

1158
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 3: But it's been advertised as if I consider it to

1159
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 3: be like Apocalypse now or something, which is not not

1160
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Speaker 3: the case.

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Speaker 2: No, Greg, the Seattle Seahawks and the film are the

1162
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 2: defending Super Bowl champions, as I think they were in

1163
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: real life at the time, and then they were like

1164
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 2: they had the number one overall pick.

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Speaker 5: I mean this, Yeah, the Seahawks have the number five

1166
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Speaker 5: pick here after first.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying that I don't think that's ever happened

1168
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Speaker 2: in the history of this sport anyway. All Right, that's it.

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Speaker 2: Anything else live stream next Thursday night, Huge Mega Mega

1170
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Speaker 2: eight pm Eastern or something like that. Be there, seriously,

1171
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Speaker 2: be there and heed. The car.

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Speaker 1: Is never too old to rave in the desert with

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Speaker 1: black pink. Doesn't know what a black pink is, but

1174
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Speaker 1: that's not gonna stop them. Baby, need someone to hold

1175
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: this camera so we can get a good pick in

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Speaker 1: front of the giant ferris wheel. We'll be at the

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Speaker 1: Mojave stage if you need us.