1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: Stuff looks dot com. Hey there, everyone in Welcome to 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 1: text Stuff. I'm Jonathan Strickland, I am a host extraordinaire, 4 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: and I'm Lauren voge Obam and I'm here. That's true. 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: So every year, tech Stuff is known for making wild 6 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: and inaccurate predictions about what's to come in the following 7 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: twelve months, and this year is no exception. But it's 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: the first time that Lauren voge Obam has ever had 9 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: the honor of participating in our prediction. O rama and Lauren, 10 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: because your brand spanking new to the podcast, you get 11 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: to go first. Excellent. I have a long history of 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: being inaccurate. Since this is going to be great, Um, 13 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: I think that in two thousand thirteen, laptops are going 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: to make a comeback and desktops are going to continue 15 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: decline in sales. Okay, so your prediction essentially is that 16 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: laptops are gonna be fine. They're actually which is great 17 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: news for companies that are really putting it all in 18 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: for ultra books. But yeah, but the traditional desktop, the 19 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: tower and monitor is kind of not so much a thing, 20 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: not so much a thing anymore. And I mean, the 21 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: tablets have been have been really big over the past 22 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: few years, and everyone's kind of going like, oh, tablets, tablets, 23 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: tablet sales, more tablets for everybody, seven tablets per child. 24 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: She's doing jazz hands, people, it's not not spired fingers, 25 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: jazz hands. And and uh, I think I think, I 26 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: think that that that trend. I think that that really 27 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: people are not ready to give up laptops yet they 28 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: are too functional. I mean, tablets are sexy and cool, 29 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: but their toys nice. That's a bold statement. I my 30 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: head is off to you. But no, I I agree, 31 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: I agree. I think, uh, particularly these days when you know, 32 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: I used to be that hardcore gamers would look down 33 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: there knows at laptops and say, you know, nothing replaces 34 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: a desktop. And and it's still true that if you 35 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: want a top of the line, highest performing machine, you're 36 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: gonna go with a desktop. And there are gonna be 37 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: gamers who do that. But there are a lot of 38 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: gaming laptops out there that are monsters, monsters and just 39 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: as expensive as your your high end desktop and and 40 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: just as functional. Yeah, so I I think I'm with 41 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: you on this one. The laptop sales bouncing back it's interesting, 42 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: you know, based on some of the other predictions we have, 43 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: I can see that happening. Uh, I'll be really curious 44 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: to see what the numbers are at the end of 45 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: the year. Similar to that, I actually have a prediction 46 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: where I said, and this is kind of this is 47 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: one of my gimmes. You know, after doing this for 48 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: a few years, you start going for the easy, the 49 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: easy hits. But one of mine was that mobile web 50 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: browsing will completely outpaced desktop and laptop browsing. So if 51 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: you were to look at the metrics for any given 52 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: webs you would see that the majority of traffic was 53 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: going to come in over mobile devices rather than your 54 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: traditional computers. And for some websites that's already true, but 55 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: I think it's going to become more more or less 56 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: a universal truth across the web. Yeah, I think I 57 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: think that's obvious. I think that enough people are are yeah, 58 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: just on their tablets, on their mobile phones. That's not 59 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: gonna who who has time to turn on a whole computer? 60 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: And I know it can take upwards of fourteen seconds 61 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: with some of my computers. Ridiculous, I know, all right, 62 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: So what's your like, We're not even living in the 63 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: incredible future. Speaking of the incredible future, touch screen party, 64 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: touch screens for everybody. Um, yeah, I think that, especially 65 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: with Windows eight, um, which Jonathan has some things to 66 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: say about. I have heard um that, yeah, everyone's dual screen. 67 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: If those of us who have dual screens, which is people, 68 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: from what I understand, Um, it's it's going to be 69 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: a touch screen and and stuff like Windows eight is 70 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: going to make that easier and more into graded and 71 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: so so. Even though perhaps tablets are not going to 72 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: be the biggest, biggest, biggest thing to ever big um yeah, yeah, Well, 73 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: technology is gonna be there. Beyond the fact that Windows 74 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: eight makes it useful, it makes it necessary. I mean 75 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: Windows eight is a great operating system. I genuinely like it. 76 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: I mean I've used it, and I genuinely like it. However, uh, 77 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: I much prefer it with something that has a touch 78 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: screen interface because because when you're yeah, when you're in 79 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: that tiled when you're in that tiled interface, you want 80 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: to touch those tiles. I mean, that's why it's designed 81 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 1: the way it is. And uh, and so I agree 82 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: with you. I think we're going to see touch screens 83 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: integrated into more products. I mean, obviously, with things like 84 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: tablets and smartphones, that's the that's the user interface that's 85 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: accepted at this point. I mean, we've got some voice 86 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: interaction too, but the majority of our commands are going 87 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: to be through touch. But I think I agree with you. 88 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: I think we're going to see that as kind of 89 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: a standard in other products too. I mean, we already 90 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: have lap tops that have touch screens, but I think 91 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: that's gonna become essentially a standard feature in laptops within 92 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: And I'm about to, uh head off to the Consumer 93 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: Electronic Show. I mean not right now, but in the 94 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: near future, and uh it would shock me. In fact, 95 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: I think this episode will air while I'm there. But 96 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,559 Speaker 1: it would shock me if I don't see a ton 97 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: of laptops that have touch screens integrated directly into them. 98 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: It just makes sense, all right, Well, then here we go. 99 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: Here's a here's a Windows eight. You were alluding to 100 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: the fact that I had something to say about it. 101 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: I think that enterprises are going to resist adopting Windows 102 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: eight quickly. I think it's going to be very similar 103 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: to the way both consumers and enterprises resisted Windows Vista. 104 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of them stuck with XP for 105 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: a really long time. I mean that that operating system 106 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: was ten years old before a lot of businesses begin 107 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: to look into migrating to something else. We actually just 108 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: got on Twindows seven like a week ago, behind the 109 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: curtain something. Some people were lucky and had been on 110 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: it for a while. Not not your tech stuff posts. 111 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: No no, no, we we um. We were just upgraded 112 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: from stone tablets to a computer that can run an 113 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: operating system. And that's just me being catty. But no, yeah, 114 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, and I think Window sevens. But see, 115 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: this is another thing. One I don't think consumers are 116 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: going to be as reluctant. I think consumers as a 117 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: whole will be a little more adventurous. And it makes 118 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: sense because when you're an enterprise, you know, that's a 119 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: huge expense to upgrade a ton of computers. And although 120 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: the economy is getting better, it has not gotten so 121 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: much better that I think that people are going to 122 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: business their businesses are really going to want to spend 123 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: the money and time upgrading from something that that a 124 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: lot of us have really only just started to play with. Yeah, 125 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: and there's questions of whether or not all of an 126 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: enterprises native UH programs will run on Windows eight. You 127 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: never know until you until you migrate. Stuff you don't 128 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: know because there's legacy programs that may only run in 129 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: earlier versus versions of Windows. I'm sure that some of 130 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: our listeners are familiar with either institutions or companies or 131 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: organizations that have specific programs that will not run on 132 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: anything older than Windows XP, for example. So that's that's 133 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: an issue. On top of that, not only is it 134 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: expensive to upgrade across a fleet of computers, you also 135 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: have to train people on how to use it, and 136 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: that takes time and more money. So even if we 137 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: were to say that the Windows eight experience was absolutely 138 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: perfect for enterprises across the board, even then this is 139 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: a gimme because most companies are going to say, let's 140 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: wait a while longer until we can be absolutely certain 141 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: that we can do business as we are accustomed to 142 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: doing before we migrate to Windows eight. So this is 143 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: not a knock against the operating system. It's more of, hey, 144 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: guess what obvious trend I have noticed since I have 145 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: been alive, So again, kind of a kind of shooting 146 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: fish in a barrel. I've been on the internet, I 147 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: read the news. It must be true speaking speaking of 148 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: things that are that are on the internet, in fact, 149 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: the Internet of Things. This is exciting. This, This is 150 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: really exciting. It It basically I mean, if you guys, 151 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: if you guys haven't heard of this, it basically means 152 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: that all of our devices are going to be connected 153 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: and talking to each other. Um and which is I mean, 154 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: we can already do most lots of I'm not gonna 155 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: say most things, many things, a bunch of stuff from 156 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: our cell phones. But but I but I think that 157 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: we're going to start getting the kind of functionality where 158 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: we can interact with our other even appliances. I mean, 159 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: I mean things like like like security systems and lighting systems, 160 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: and and I mean hvac like if you're on vacation 161 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: and you forget to set your air conditioning down, some 162 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: very basic stuff like that. Yeah. No, we've been seeing 163 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: little incremental steps towards this, and people who are like 164 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: the the bleeding edge adopters of home automation are probably 165 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: rolling their eyes. Of course, yes, apologies to all of 166 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: you guys. This is all completely old hat as of 167 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: like march for you right right, But but for the 168 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: general public, I mean home automation is one of those 169 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: things that are like, oh, that's what Bill Gates has, 170 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: but it's not something that you would necessarily think of, 171 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: like I've I've got friends who are uh, you know, 172 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: early adopters. I am not an early adopter. I mean, 173 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a tech stuff host, and I love technology, 174 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: but I do not adopt technology as soon as it 175 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: comes out for a couple of different years behind the 176 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: kind of honestly one, I'm not filthy rich and to 177 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: uh too. I like my technology to work, and so 178 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: while I'm excited by new things, I often don't adopt 179 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: them because I don't want to deal with a frustration 180 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: for when those new things don't work out exactly as 181 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: they were intended, because sometimes that happens. But the past 182 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: few years, we started to see some some technologies that 183 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: really are bringing us closer to this, and they're not 184 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: necessarily all integrated together from the get go, but they 185 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: work together. So the nest thermostat is a perfect example. 186 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: Or the fact that I have a Nexus seven tablet 187 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: and I've got Xbox smart glass on my tablet which 188 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: lets me control my Xbox from the tablet. It also 189 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: displays extra information based on whatever happens to be playing 190 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: on my Xbox. I can get more information, sometimes a 191 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: lot more information, depending on you know, how well the 192 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: developer has worked with smart glass. Um, those are just 193 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: tiny examples. Now the true Internet of Things is going 194 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: to encompass way more than that, where we'll get to 195 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: a point where we are going to have sensors that 196 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: are connected to the Internet and they are taking measurements 197 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: of all sorts of stuff, so temperature, humidity, what motion sensors, 198 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff, and they're going to be 199 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: incorporated into practically everything we come into contact with and uh, 200 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: and it will send information and it will be able 201 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: to let us not only control our environment, but have 202 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: our environment predict what it should do based on what 203 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: user is in the room exactly. Which is I've used 204 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: this argument once before, but if you if you were 205 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: to extend this to the science fiction extreme, it essentially 206 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: means that one day every single person will have the 207 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: ability to define his or her reality because their environment 208 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: is going to react to their needs, wants, desires, so 209 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: that we're all going to be moving through a technologically 210 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: idealized version of reality. Now that's not to say everything's 211 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: gonna be awesome, because if you remember every single holiday 212 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: episode of Star Trek the Next Generation, you know, stuff 213 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: goes wrong. Sometimes technology doesn't work the way that we 214 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: want it to. Sometimes Moriarty comes to life, escapes the 215 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: Holidack and takes over the enterprise. That's all I'm saying metaphorically. Luckily, 216 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: usually Dixon, Hell or somebody is around to take care. 217 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: See uh impressing me. All right, okay, well let me 218 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: let me go ahead and um let me do another prediction. 219 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: Then here's here's a prediction. So NFC near field communication, 220 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: that's the technology that lets us have devices that can 221 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: talk to each other when you tap them together. Frequently 222 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: we talk about it when you have like a cell 223 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: phone and a program like Google Wallet that lets you 224 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: pay for stuff. So like there's a special uh pad 225 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: that's next to a cash register, and when you tap 226 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: your phone to the pad, just this bump the pad 227 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: and it makes it go exactly, Yeah, you've got that's nice. 228 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: I like that with this bump and you pay, and 229 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: then you've got you know, the added bonuses of things 230 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: like coupons or customer rewards programs all integrated into that, 231 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: so that you know, just by paying using that method, 232 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: you reap the benefits so that you don't have to 233 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: if you forget you all at home, you have your 234 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: smartphone on you, it doesn't matter because a your your 235 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: lords card and be your money is with you right 236 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: right exactly and you don't have to keep track of anything. 237 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: It's all digital. It's awesome. Yea, everyone's happy. Here's the problem. 238 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: I do not think two thousand thirteen is going to 239 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: be the year where we see NFC widely adopted yet 240 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: in the United States. Um, it's it's it's popular in 241 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: other parts of the world, but in the United States 242 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: we're still seeing a very slow adoption rate to this technology, 243 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: partly because it does require installing a new kind of infrastructure. 244 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:49,599 Speaker 1: Usually it's not that huge but for an individual store. 245 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: But if you're talking about a franchise of stores across 246 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: an entire country, that mounts up pretty quickly, of course, 247 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: So I don't think uh. And also the other side 248 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: of this is that NFC would need to be incorporated 249 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: into weigh more handsets for it to become an attractive 250 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: thing for vendors to support and UH. And part of 251 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: the problem is that Apple has not jumped on the 252 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: NFC train. Yet it may very well be that the 253 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: next iPhone has NFC. I have not predicted that it 254 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: would actually surprise me, but it could happen. But without 255 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: Apple getting on board, I don't think there's quite enough 256 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: of a tipping point there for us to see NFC 257 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: getting rolled out on a broad spectrum across the United States. 258 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: Might see a few stores incorporated, especially like forward thinking stores, 259 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: but places where it makes sense. Yeah, I think that 260 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: the other I know, I absolutely think you're right, there's 261 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: gonna be enough resistance from enough sectors that yeah, it's 262 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I would love to see it get further 263 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: adoption because I would not mind it if it meant 264 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: that I could carry fewer things. Maybe maybe that's the 265 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: thing that if I do you this is not something 266 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: we have talked about before him. But do you think 267 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: if Apple is going to release a new phone next year? Yeah, 268 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: considering that they've released two iPads this past year, um, 269 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: they might release two phones this year at least. Okay, 270 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: I do I think I think there will be a 271 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: new iPhone. I think there has to be a new iPhone, 272 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: and just like an S or a like a like 273 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: a five s or actual facts holding my feet to 274 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: the fire. Um, we asked a hard questions that textiles 275 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: really don't let me off the hook. Good question. You 276 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: know what I think. I think it would be an incremental, 277 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: incremental improvement. The five I think was about as dramatic 278 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: a departure as far as design goes as we are 279 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: likely to see this in this year. Yeah, I mean 280 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: you've got Johnny Ives up there, sir, Johnny. I'm sorry, 281 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: john thank you, sir. Johnny is uh definitely, um, you know, 282 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: he's he's behind the wheel and design, so it could 283 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: very well be that he completely revamps it. But it 284 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: would that would shock me. So I do think there 285 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: will be another iPhone. I don't think it will be 286 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: a dramatic departure from what we have right now. It'll 287 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: probably have things like, you know, again, a faster process 288 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: or uh, it'll have maybe even maybe an even higher 289 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: resolution screen. Um, it'll and and I think a lot 290 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: of the improvements will come from the iOS side, the 291 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: operating system, as opposed to the hardware. But uh, we'll see. Yeah, 292 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: that's a that's a good question. I did not write 293 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: it down, so that was all on the fly, folks, 294 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna hide under the table now. Well while 295 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: we're um, while we're talking about Apple. UM, uh, let's 296 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: let's do. Let's do I'll do an Apple prediction. Uh 297 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: all of my prediction. I'm sorry. I wrote everything down 298 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: very vaguely, so I'm like, I have words, I can 299 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: read them. Um. I think the Apple is going to 300 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: hold onto its market share in the cell phone segment, 301 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: which which in its market share right at this current 302 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: moment as of October, Android had been earlier in the 303 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: year at of the market share for smartphones UM as 304 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: of October to drop and Apple with the five had 305 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: had come up to and UM. And I think I 306 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: think that Apple is going to maintain that. I'm going 307 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,719 Speaker 1: to It might be I could be completely wrong on 308 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: this one. I feel like this is a strangely bold statement. 309 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: It is so small, but I think I think I 310 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: agree that's bold. It's a bold statement. The reason why 311 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: I think that is, I think those numbers definitely got 312 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: a huge boost because there was a new iPhone, and 313 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: every time there's a new iPhone, we're gonna see a 314 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: spike adoption. UM. I think the fact that there are 315 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: so many handset manufacturers out there that are making Android, 316 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: although we've got something to say about handset manufacturers a 317 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: little while. Um, but because there are so many, uh, 318 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: Android will probably bounce back. But so I'm disagreeing with 319 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: you a little bit. I think that Android will regain 320 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: market dominance before before much more time passes in two 321 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 1: thousand thirteen. However, assuming that an iPhone six or five 322 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: S or whatever comes out, that's going to change again, right, 323 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, it's incredible that in the United States, 324 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: where we usually signed two year agreements, that people will 325 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: break them just to get the new iPhone rather than 326 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: skip a generation and wait for the next one. Yeah, 327 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: or or even or even wait three months to wait 328 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: for the next one because because it's here and it's 329 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: new and it's now. Yeah, it's It's worse for US 330 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: Android users though, folks, I mean, yeah, you you iPhone users. Yeah, 331 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: it's bad because yeah, you well I'm looking at you, Lauren, 332 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: so you iPhone users, and I'm looking at my wife too, 333 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: not not literally literally, which is not in the room. 334 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: But but you know, they they complain about how not 335 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: they Okay, some iPhone users complain and pick them all together. 336 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: Some iPhone users complain about alike, Yeah, well, you know, 337 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: I can't never mind. So some iPhone users complain about 338 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: the fact that they that a new phone comes out 339 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: each year, right, She's like, oh, but I just bought 340 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: one last year. Okay, look at it from the Android 341 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: user perspective, where a new phone comes out every week, right, 342 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: So you go out and you buy the newest brand 343 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: spanking awesome shine and then uh, something comes out the 344 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: following week, possibly from the same manufacturer as the one 345 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: that made the one that you bought just now, uh, 346 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: and it makes it obsolete. And so we live with 347 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: that day by day. So look, it's not our fault 348 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: if you would, if you would drink. Also, I wish 349 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: that we had pop filters in front of these microphones 350 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: because now I feel really badly about what I just did. Sorry, sorry, 351 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: josh Of if you should know, because I know this 352 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 1: is the one you sit at. Um all right, so 353 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: let me let me go onto this one. Uh, while 354 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: Lauren recovers. Uh. So I said that the next version 355 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: of the Mac operating system and the next version of 356 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: iOS will bring the two operating systems even closer together. 357 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: We've already started to see them start to kind of 358 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: creep in on each other in that in that awesome 359 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: but not creepy way creep right, Yeah, most mostly in 360 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: just the integrated device and desktop laptop experience. I think 361 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see continuation of that, but I 362 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: think it will be yet another generation before they become 363 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: practically identical. So and and this is kind of like 364 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: Apple is taking an approach that's a little bit different 365 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: from Microsoft, but the end result is the same, which 366 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: is that you have an operating system that is easily 367 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: identifiable across a suite of platforms, whether that's a smartphone, 368 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: a tab it a or a laptop or even a desktop. So, uh, 369 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: so Apple's going about it this way where they're just 370 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: slowly getting closer and closer. Microsoft introduced a new operating 371 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: system and then just applied it across the boarders like 372 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: ma'am flat gone to the two different approaches, but otherwise, uh, 373 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: it's going to the same goal. Okay, Laurence. So what's 374 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: your next prediction? My next prediction? Um, So, we've got 375 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: we've got a bunch of next generation consoles coming out. 376 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: We're We've we've got rumors that the Xbox seven twenty 377 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: or Durango as it's currently codenamed, is going to be 378 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: coming out, and also a PS four or the Orbits 379 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: as it's currently codenamed. UM. Of course the the we 380 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: you already came out this year, UM what it's code 381 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: named all will come on. The sales have not been 382 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: as good as they had hoped. They have not, but 383 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: I think I don't know. UM. I do think that 384 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: it might perk up a little bit for the holiday season, 385 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: but I'm not But I'm not that people are are 386 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: prepared for another another new console just right this very second, 387 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: especially when UM Xbox and PS three prices are so 388 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: I think I think I think an Xbox owner, as 389 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: an Xbox owner who has had the Xbox three six 390 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: since it debuted, I think a lot of us are 391 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: really ready for a new console. But I don't know 392 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: what the new console would have to have to make 393 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: it a must buy. Okay. And the reason why I 394 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: say that is because, yes, you're going to get faster 395 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: processors and you're going to get better graphics. But um, 396 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: and this has said every single time there's a new console. 397 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 1: But really, I mean, you're like, there's a point where 398 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: you like, how much better does it need to be? 399 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: Like for me, the graphics aren't really the reason why 400 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: you play the games right now. If it's if the 401 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: graphics are bad, that's bad. But but if the graphics 402 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: are you know, are are decent, then I'm like, well, 403 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: that's that's good. But pretty much pretty soon that kind 404 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: of disappears for me. Every now and then you wake 405 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: up and you're like, whoa, that's a really awesome uh 406 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: screen right there, Like I'm looking at something really amazing 407 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: where the cut scene was really effective. But most of 408 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 1: the time, I just it just kind of fades into 409 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: the background and I'm really concentrating on gameplay. But um, 410 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think there are a lot of 411 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: gamers out there who might really want to get their 412 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: hands on a new console, especially for the PlayStation folks. Sure, sure, 413 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: I mean I think that come next year especially, And 414 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: I've I also don't think that Nintendo is necessarily holding 415 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: the sector of gaming that are the people who are 416 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: going to run out and buy something immediately when it's 417 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: brand new and shiny, right right right, So so it's 418 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: appealing to people who enjoy games, but they aren't they 419 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: don't identify themselves necessarily as a gamer and quote unquote 420 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: casual gamer. Right right right, um, but but but so, 421 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: my my prediction for next year is that um xbox 422 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: is going to continue to sell more than than PlayStation 423 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: um in in in fact, that when the seventh twenty 424 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: comes out, that it will sell more than the PS four, 425 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: and and that that both both of those new consoles 426 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: are going to cannibalize the best awesome bits of We 427 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: You and just kind of beat the pants off of it. 428 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, we do. I want to love you. 429 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: I love I love that, I love the pad pad 430 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: is terrific. I got a chance to play with that 431 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: before the We You came out. Brag a lot, brag much. Um, yeah, 432 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: I got to play with that at ce Has two 433 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: thousand twelve, and it was it was yeah, no, it 434 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: was a neat way of playing. It made me think 435 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: of the old Dreamcast where it used to have the 436 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: LED memory card that you could play a game on, 437 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: except of course, way more advanced I mean, but still 438 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: same sort of principle that you have this additional screen 439 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: that can have more information, like your your heads up 440 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: display could be on your controller as opposed to the 441 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: taking up screen landscape. That kind of stuff or or 442 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: innovative uses like I think it's Zombie You where you 443 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,479 Speaker 1: can use it as like a scope, like you lift up, 444 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: you lift up the controller to the screen. Yeah, I 445 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: think it's Zombie You that lets you do that. Listeners 446 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: feel free to correct me if I am as I 447 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: am likely to be wrong about that, please do tell 448 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: us how wrong we are. But but building on top 449 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: and I agree, I think I think the Xbox whatever 450 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: it's called, will out sell whatever the Sony one is called. 451 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: I think I think it's gonna be true both for 452 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: the current generation until we get to the next generation 453 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: and then moving forward, especially in the United States and 454 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: the in Japan, it's probably gonna be the flip flop 455 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: because we're talking about just traditionally that's the way it 456 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: is um and just just the range of titles that 457 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: are are released for American versus Japanese cats. Although there's 458 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: fewer and fewer exclusive titles. I mean there there are some, 459 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: but like you know, Halo's like that, but although you 460 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: can find that on PC as well. But but we 461 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: also are going to see other consoles jump into competition 462 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: and curious to see how this changes things up. Like Valves, 463 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: Steambox is likely to debut and their team. Yeah, so 464 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: the steam Box can bring PC gaming to the TV, 465 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: and they've already started laying the groundwork with the big 466 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 1: screen uh app that they have right now where you 467 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: can hook up a computer to your television and use 468 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: the TV screen as your as your display. This would 469 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: be the steam Box would be an out of the 470 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: box kind of simplified computer, so that the average consumer 471 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: who doesn't want to fiddle with settings or drivers or 472 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: any of that stuff that PC gaming things that PC 473 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: gamers door. Yeah, console gamers are kind of like, yeah, 474 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: I just want to hook it up and have it go, 475 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: make it go exactly. So I think Steambox is going 476 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: to appeal to the plug and play gamer and the 477 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: big advantage they have as they say, well, yeah, these 478 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: other consoles do stuff well, but this is a gaming PC. 479 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: It's just the game PC made to work on your television. 480 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: And I'm curious to see how big a dentt it 481 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: can make in the gaming market, um and whether or 482 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: not it starts taking away market share from the other 483 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: the leaders, the legacy consoles. UM. I don't know if 484 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: it'll if it will really take a chunk out because 485 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 1: console gamers can be really devoted to their particular brands. Um, 486 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: but then we also have the the o u y A. 487 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,719 Speaker 1: It's it was a big success story on Kickstarter. They 488 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: had a kick started campaign to raise money. They ended 489 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: up raising way more money than they needed to be 490 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: able to, Like I forget what their goal was, but 491 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: it was something like, you know, a hundred something, this 492 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: is these this I'm just talking h random numbers here, 493 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: but it was like it was one of those crazy 494 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: kickstarters success stories where you make you know, like five 495 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: timest exactly thousand times as much as you have. You said, 496 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: like I want a hundred thousand, you get three point 497 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 1: five million, Well then I'm going to make it that 498 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: much more of fom. But yeah, the uya should be 499 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: debuting as well. And uh, it reminds me more of 500 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: a simple streaming service. So I'm curious to see how well. 501 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: And I don't mean that as a knock, but that 502 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 1: it does seem to be more about downloading games or 503 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: streaming games to a console as opposed to going out 504 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: and buying games and then putting them into your console 505 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: and playing them. How many people are really buying games? 506 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,479 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, are you have you heard any 507 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: numbers about how many people are downloading games these days 508 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: versus buying physical discs. I don't have the numbers. Anecdotally, 509 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people who are starting to 510 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: do the whole digital thing because they went ahead and 511 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: bought xboxes that had those ridiculous, ridiculous hard drives. I 512 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,239 Speaker 1: don't see. I have the hard drive that has like 513 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: two gigabytes, spaces goes up to four. Mind goes up 514 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: to ludicrous. Yeah. Yes, that's the problem. Is that I'm 515 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: actually looking at buying a new hard drive for Mind 516 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: so that I can I can take advantage of that 517 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: because I know people who do do that, and they 518 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: do it for multiple reasons. One it means less clutter. 519 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: They don't have to worry about having a box someplace 520 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: that's taking up space. Too, it usually means that the 521 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: load times are decreased significantly because everyone's on the device 522 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: arrange to read the disc um But I don't know 523 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: the figures, so, but I do expect that will that 524 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: number will grow in two thousand thirteen. It would surprise 525 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: me if it didn't. Okay, uh so let's see we 526 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,719 Speaker 1: talked about that was that was kind of both of us. 527 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: Do you want me to go, let me go again, 528 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: because I think I've got a few more than you do. 529 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: And uh, I here's one. I said that Intel will 530 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: begin to struggle a bit because and this is related 531 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: to something we talked about earlier, because mobile is becoming 532 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: increasingly important. Uh. And Intel is really in the business 533 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,239 Speaker 1: of making chips for desktop and laptop computers as well 534 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: as for larger computers for other purposes. But but because yes, exactly, 535 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: but because the the importance of desktops and laptops is 536 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: is declining, or at least desktops definitely declining. In laptops, 537 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: I think you said I was gonna speed up. I'm 538 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: back and forth on that one. But I think Intel 539 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,479 Speaker 1: is gonna see things get a little more tight for 540 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: it in two thousand thirteen, and so, uh, it would 541 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: not surprise me to see Until explore creating something along 542 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: the lines of ARM based micro processors, either licensing out 543 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: the ARM architecture or building something from the ground up 544 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: to compete against ARM in a more aggressive way so 545 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: that it can go after that mobile market. Because right now, 546 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: if if the mobile market is what everyone's moving towards 547 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: until gets left behind. Okay, next turn, sorry, don't. I 548 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: don't have a whole lot to say. I'm gonna go. 549 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go breathe into a paper bag. He see 550 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: I come into this. I'm I'm like, I get to 551 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: say ridiculous things. It's so exciting. I feel like I 552 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: feel like you're genuinely a little bit. I maybe I 553 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: just haven't gotten the emails yet, so I haven't. So 554 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: I don't know how scary it can be to make 555 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: these kind of predictions at all. It's not scary at all. 556 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: If you look at my record, I'm probably batting around 557 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: three hundred, which you know in baseball is not so bad. 558 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: In tech predictions not great. What else? What else have 559 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: I got here? Um? Uh oh? Another Apple thing? Apple TV. 560 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: I think that's going to happen next year. I think 561 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: that Apple is going to market a television UM that 562 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: that has all kinds of crazy integrated stuff in it. Um. 563 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: This has been a prediction. I'm glad you're here to 564 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: make that prediction since Chris is not here, because that's 565 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: that's like Chris is annual prediction is that Apple TV 566 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: will come out. But I think this year, more than 567 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: any other, it's likely to happen yeah, I think I 568 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: think I'm making it from like I'm saying it, It's 569 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: a pretty safe bet. That's what basically everyone on the 570 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: internet is saying is going to happen. And well, we'll 571 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: Tim Cook seems to slowly be going from this is 572 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: a hobby for us to to look at, you know, 573 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: the whole TV space. Two, this is interesting and we're 574 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: not going to ignore it, and and and those. And 575 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: it's been subtle. It's not been like that dramatic of 576 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: a change in stance, but those subtle changes in the 577 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: way things are worded suggests that this is becoming more 578 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: and more of an actual thing. Yes, uh yeah, So 579 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: let me ask you this just personally, Lauren, No no 580 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: shock here, but uh, would you, assuming that you had 581 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: the budget for it, would you want to get something 582 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: like an Apple TV or even a Google TV, like 583 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: any kind of net connected TV, but specifically, I think 584 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: Apple and Google would be the two that are the major, 585 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: uh companies in that space. Um, if if it were me, 586 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: I would probably go for go for a Google personally, 587 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: just because, um, it would probably be way cheaper, very 588 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: very I mean, I wouldn't be as pretty a TV 589 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: though it would. No, no, it would not UM. But 590 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: but you'll have to understand that the television that I 591 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: currently have in my living room has tubes in it. 592 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: This is I just heard the internet crop No no, no, no, no, 593 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: I know you know you know what I mean. Though, No, 594 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: I do know what you mean. I vaguely remember TVs 595 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: that had two uses it. I don't think I even know. 596 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: That's not true. I do own one. I just it's 597 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: just not plugged into anything. It's sitting in a corner 598 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: waiting for Samara to come crawling out of it and 599 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: minds on wheels. Actually it really is because better no, 600 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: no enormous rear projection TV. That's that's terrific. No, no, 601 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: so so so this is I mean, I'm just that 602 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: that is the kind of tech adopter I am. I 603 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: until until this thing breaks or somebody emails me five 604 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, that is what I'm going to use. But 605 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: but if I had the Apple tunity and the money 606 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: to UM, I absolutely would want something that connects up 607 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: to the Internet, because that's what that's what I use 608 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: my Xbox for essentially, So if I could kind of 609 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: integrate that into a single thing, not that I would 610 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: want to give up my Xbox because Halo is critical. 611 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, there's let's not talk crazy talk. But 612 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: but here's the thing is that any like, if you 613 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: get a TV where there's a big company that can 614 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: make huge deals with various providers, then you get a 615 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,720 Speaker 1: lot more options than you would through something like Xbox, 616 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: where you know, I I love my Xbox and I 617 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: use I use the connectivity stuff all the time. That's 618 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: how I access Netflix to my main TV. I've got 619 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: a Roku for my other TV, and um, just name 620 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,720 Speaker 1: dropping stuff now, But but but I used, I don't 621 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: say yeah, I do the same thing, and I mean 622 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: I really enjoy the services. But yeah, something that's deeply 623 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: integrated into a television could be really interesting. Now. Granted, 624 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: uh it sometimes worries me too because if it's like 625 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: a partnership thing words and integrated partnership, Um, you always 626 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: have to worry about what happens if one of these 627 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: entities goes away. But that's true of any technology. So 628 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: it's not like I can't just point a TVs and 629 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: say that's the flaw. That's just the way. That's just 630 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,959 Speaker 1: the way things work. From how stuff works dot com 631 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: and uh okay, so here's one of mine. E books 632 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: and e publishing will become even more important in two 633 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: pals in their team, and electronic books sales will uh 634 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: completely outpace hard copy books. So if you look at 635 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: the sales figures of books, um, then the sales figures 636 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,720 Speaker 1: for electronics are going to to go beyond the sales 637 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: figures for hard copy books. And for those of us 638 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: out there who are literature major's former literature majors like myself, 639 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: this is yeah, sad, but but also kind of awesome. 640 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: I think it's exciting. I'm I'm kind of in the 641 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: anti Rad Bradberry camp on that one. I think that 642 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: it's it's really terrific to be able to have a 643 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: thing that you can carry with you and download new 644 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: books too. At any given point, I agree. I mean, 645 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: nothing for me replaces the physical pleasure of holding a 646 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: book and reading it. That smell, the feel of the page, 647 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: the tactile experiences that you're never going to get out of. 648 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 1: I mean, even even if you have a really nice 649 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: like I've got a like a disingorgeous leather and wood 650 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,720 Speaker 1: cover for my for my kindle, and and it's it's 651 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: it's great to hold I mean, it makes you feel 652 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: like you're holding a book. But but but on the 653 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: other hand, nothing replaces the feeling of being able to 654 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: carry two volumes of Game of Thrones with you on 655 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: vacation and not throw your back out. So so yeah, 656 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: so there's a trade off. Um and yeah. I mean, 657 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: especially with the with the sales of the Kindle and 658 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: the Nook in the past year, it's I'm pretty sure 659 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: that everyone has access to it. Sure, that's the only 660 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: ones I make Lauren, Yeah, all right, next, do you 661 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: have any more? I've got, I've got a couple more. 662 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: But I've got I've got a couple more. Well. Uh. 663 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: Prediction um medical tech. I think that this is going 664 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,479 Speaker 1: to be the year that a great number of people 665 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: get their genetic sequencing done um and uh. And furthermore, 666 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: that health records are going to be going digital and 667 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 1: people are going to be interacting more with them uh 668 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 1: and and and more with their doctors. As a result, 669 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a gorgeous new future 670 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: of not understanding what your doctor is saying and still 671 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: googling what what what the heck they mean? The nice thing, though, 672 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: is we might be able to actually read the digital 673 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: signatures of our doctors. Unlikely. I don't even know what 674 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 1: this prescriptions for. I think they're all going to be 675 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: scrawling on tablets. That part's going to be the same. 676 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 1: So I hold out hope. Yeah, that that's the kind 677 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: of thing that makes a handwritten writing recognition software go, 678 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: oh give up. All right, So here here's one totally 679 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: unrelated to that. So Zinga, the game company that's been 680 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,879 Speaker 1: having had a real hard time in two thousand twelve. Yeah, 681 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,879 Speaker 1: it was a rough year for for all the they're 682 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: the kids who created of course where with Friends and 683 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 1: um they had the all the vill um. Yeah, so 684 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: Zinga had a meteoric rise and then and almost as 685 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: meteoric fall like it just we and we did a 686 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,839 Speaker 1: whole episode about Zinga, so I won't rehash everything. But 687 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: Zinga has been having some real problems with uh, you know, 688 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: maintaining revenues. They've done some layoffs, uh a lot, a 689 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,359 Speaker 1: lot of that's been in the news. And one thing 690 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: I think is a possibility, and and this is my prediction, 691 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: is that the board of directors for Zinga very well 692 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: may explore and then execute an option to buy up 693 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,479 Speaker 1: as much stock as possible to convert Zinga back into 694 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:52,280 Speaker 1: a private company because as a publicly traded entity, Zinga 695 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: has to answer to shareholders, and sometimes sometimes that can 696 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 1: be very difficult to do and ensure the long term 697 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: success of your company because shareholders can and this is 698 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: not always the case, but it's often the case, shareholders 699 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: can ignore long term growth uh in order to get 700 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: short term benefit of trends or the immediate, like they 701 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: just want a quick fix which might in the long 702 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: term hurt the company, rather than watch these slow investments 703 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 1: be made so that you know they might be the 704 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: right choices, but it could take to three years for 705 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: it to really turn around. For shareholders, that can be 706 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: a long long time, and so some companies it benefits 707 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: them to remain a private company because then they can 708 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 1: make these decisions and it's a smaller group of shareholders 709 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: and you don't have to worry about catering to everyone's needs. 710 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: So I think that that's a possibility we might see 711 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: Zinga go back to being a private company in two 712 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: I like it. Um My, the last one that I 713 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: have written down um is is basically a non prediction. 714 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 1: Um My prediction is that nothing will happen with HTML 715 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: five right, So just just just essentially, it's that like 716 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: a plateau of development. So it's not that not that 717 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: no one nothing, nothing is going to happen with it. 718 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 1: Lots of things are going to be happening. Nothing is 719 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 1: going to happen in the public, No one is going 720 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,359 Speaker 1: to be right, We're not going to have integrating it 721 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: and adopting it. Yeah, it's not gonna be it's not 722 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: gonna be finished essentially. Yeah, I I can agree with that. 723 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,479 Speaker 1: I mean, there have been some problems with HTML five 724 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 1: and I don't I don't see that changing really in Alright, 725 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 1: so I've got two more than I want to go over. Um, 726 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,799 Speaker 1: I had three, but cyber warfare is a gimme, so 727 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that one. So this is 728 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,280 Speaker 1: one that I thought of, and it kind of plays 729 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: into some of the other stuff we talked about. I 730 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,320 Speaker 1: think there's gonna be some companies that look into designing 731 00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 1: technology that is specifically intended to be a set can 732 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: screen experience, meaning that when we're watching television, that's our 733 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: primary screen, and then a lot of us, myself included, 734 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,360 Speaker 1: will have a secondary screen open, whether it's a laptop 735 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: or a tablet or even a smartphone. We tend a 736 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,919 Speaker 1: lot of us tend to have most of us while 737 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: we are watching TV. These days, it's not enough to 738 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 1: watch TV, but which means that I can often miss 739 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 1: in incredibly important parts of whatever it is I'm watching, 740 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 1: and then look up and say, where's that guy? What 741 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: do you mean he's dead? When did he die? What 742 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 1: do you mean two minutes ago? You shouldn't watch during 743 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,439 Speaker 1: I'm assuming you're talking about Walking Dead. I was talking 744 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 1: about Supernatural, which really one of the one of the 745 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 1: two brothers is perpetually spoiler alert either dead or or 746 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: in hell. That's really your two options. Or or about 747 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 1: to die or about to go to hell. That's you know, 748 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: one of those things are definitely happening to one of 749 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: the two brothers in that show. Shows all Jonathan, by 750 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: the way, I have not watched any of it. Enjoy 751 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: it anyway. Yeah, yeah, we we won't won't talk about 752 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: the documentary series Spatial. Uh so, Yeah. I think they're 753 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 1: going to be companies that make technology specifically with the 754 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: intent of making it a second screen. Now a lot 755 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: of people are using existing technology to do this, and 756 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,800 Speaker 1: a lot of apps are coming out that are helping 757 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,919 Speaker 1: out with this helping to integrate the two experiences. Yeah, 758 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: like smart glass. Again, that's another example. But there are 759 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: other apps out there. I mean Netflix has apps. I 760 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,360 Speaker 1: mean there's there's tons of apps out there. But I 761 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: think they are going to be companies that say, this 762 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 1: is something that people are really interested in. What if 763 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 1: we designed from the ground up a product that's intended 764 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 1: immediately to be a second screen and that could take 765 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,359 Speaker 1: any form factor. I'm not predicting the form factor. I'm 766 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 1: not predicting the operating system. I'm just saying there's going 767 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 1: to be companies out there that say, let's build the 768 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,759 Speaker 1: definitive second screen. Because everyone's doing this, so let's make 769 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: a specialized product. It makes perfect sense to me. If 770 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: I had a capital, I would totally have gone into 771 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: that because it'd be like I can build this company, 772 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: up sell it to someone else, and grave and train. 773 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: So that's my prediction for that, and then um my 774 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 1: final prediction. This is one that that I believe Lauren 775 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 1: might disagree with me on because of something we said 776 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,799 Speaker 1: in our pre show. I said that two thirteen is 777 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: going to mark the peak and then decline and into 778 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 1: a plateau of crowd funding and Uh, crowdfunding. We saw 779 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 1: a lot of crowdfunding in two thousand twelve. I think 780 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 1: two thousand and thirteen we're gonna see even more of it. 781 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 1: We're gonna see startup companies appealed directly to average citizens 782 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: saying this is something that this is an idea I had. 783 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 1: So for example, I might say I have this idea 784 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 1: for the perfect second screen device, and but I need 785 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:51,719 Speaker 1: starting capital, so I start up or whatever, um and 786 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,800 Speaker 1: I put it up there and then ask for funds. 787 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 1: We've already seen companies like we've seen the U Yeah, 788 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,400 Speaker 1: we saw the Pebble smart watch thing. Lots of tech 789 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: has come through Kickstarter and receive successful funding through it. Uh, 790 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 1: some of them we haven't necessarily seen the outcome yet. 791 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,919 Speaker 1: We're kind of still waiting on it. But I think 792 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen is we're going to see that continue 793 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,319 Speaker 1: in two thousand thirteen, hit a peak, and then I 794 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: think people are going to start getting a little burnt 795 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 1: out by it just from the idea. Well, you know what, 796 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,319 Speaker 1: I've very funded like five of these things. I am 797 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: done for now, and even if something really cool comes along, 798 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 1: I think that people will get burnt out by funding 799 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:38,799 Speaker 1: various projects, especially if these projects are slow to uh 800 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,440 Speaker 1: come to completion. I mean a lot of this is 801 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: a lot of this will depend upon how well companies 802 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 1: can Absolutely no, I think I think people are not 803 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: done with done with crowdsourcing it, and I think that 804 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: enough people are excepted. I mean, you know, I'm not 805 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,359 Speaker 1: sure if it's right for everything, but I don't think 806 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,800 Speaker 1: it's going anywhere in I mean, I'm I'm currently looking 807 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,840 Speaker 1: at uh at a book project that some web comic 808 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,400 Speaker 1: artists put together, UM, the to Be or Not to Be? 809 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,760 Speaker 1: That is the Adventure to Choose your Own Adventure book 810 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 1: that Ran North of Dinosaur Comics put together. UM does 811 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,800 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you can be Hamlet and not die. Yes, 812 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,520 Speaker 1: it means you can be Ophelia and not die. It 813 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,600 Speaker 1: means you can be Ophelia and like ride velociraptors, Canelia 814 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 1: and get to a nunnery. I can only assume that 815 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 1: that's going to be an option. UM. But this they 816 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 1: had a goal and have raised half a million at 817 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 1: this point, and and it is it is. I mean, 818 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 1: I do think that there's a terrible divide in UM 819 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,080 Speaker 1: these crowdfunding sources where you're either Amanda Palmer and you 820 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,280 Speaker 1: make a million dollars or you and your project doesn't 821 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,560 Speaker 1: fund and your project is fund And that's not bitterness, 822 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,160 Speaker 1: by the way, I truly am not. Maybe maybe maybe 823 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,319 Speaker 1: this prediction of yours is coming from a place of 824 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,759 Speaker 1: bitterness and sorrow. I mean, you know, everything subjective, right, 825 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 1: I mean we we view the world through our own 826 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 1: individual lenses. I would like to think I'm objective, but 827 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 1: so would everybody else. And I don't know that's not true. No, 828 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,919 Speaker 1: I am, that's a fair point. I am, I am. 829 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,680 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that people will start paying more attention to 830 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,880 Speaker 1: the people who genuinely need startup capital. I think I 831 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 1: would really love to see places like Kickstarter revised their contracts, 832 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,319 Speaker 1: their um their user contracts to to make it more 833 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 1: possible for the little guy to actually get funding, and 834 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,160 Speaker 1: maybe maybe make it a little harder for something like 835 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:34,000 Speaker 1: penny Arcade too, because no, no offense against the penny 836 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,680 Speaker 1: Arcade guys, absolutely none. We love you, please don't kill us. 837 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,799 Speaker 1: But to use Kickstarter so that you don't have to 838 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 1: run ads on your site for a year based upon 839 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,799 Speaker 1: what Kickstarter was founded upon, just seems like it's a mismatch, right, 840 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,800 Speaker 1: because Kickstarter was really about kickstarting projects. Now, ultimately Kickstarter 841 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,640 Speaker 1: approved that project. So I don't fault the penny arcade 842 00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,919 Speaker 1: guys at all. I mean, they were trying something new, 843 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,480 Speaker 1: and they're trying and they're trying to reward their their 844 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,640 Speaker 1: loyal audience. All of that is awesome. They just seemed 845 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 1: like Kickstarter was the wrong tool for the job based 846 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: upon kickstarters founding found founding statement and so, uh, you know, 847 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,719 Speaker 1: it just seems to be a disconnect there. So it 848 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,480 Speaker 1: wasn't that I objected to the fact that they were 849 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,160 Speaker 1: trying to get away from running ads. I object to 850 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,399 Speaker 1: using a tool. Uh. And I really this really falls 851 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,360 Speaker 1: again more on Kickstarter than anything else, using a tool 852 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,800 Speaker 1: in a way that it was not necessarily intended or 853 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,480 Speaker 1: at least the way it was projected out to the public, 854 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,880 Speaker 1: you know, So that that was the biggest But I 855 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,839 Speaker 1: would like to see more grassroots projects get that kind 856 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,320 Speaker 1: of funding. And and again no slide against the Amanda 857 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,320 Speaker 1: Palmer's and in the world, every every bit of success 858 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,080 Speaker 1: that they have gotten, but you do worry that that 859 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 1: might kind of burnout, right, and you could take away 860 00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: from from projects that have no way of making it, 861 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, and there's no avenue of success for the 862 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,239 Speaker 1: person who is trying. And it could be that's something 863 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 1: that we would all benefit from, least to enjoy. Yeah. 864 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I'm just maybe I am just the optimist 865 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,239 Speaker 1: and Jonathan is the pessimist, and that is what is 866 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,200 Speaker 1: going on on opposite sides of this table right now. 867 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,719 Speaker 1: I don't think the glass is half full or half empty. 868 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:24,759 Speaker 1: I think it's dirty. The dirty glass. Well, I think 869 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:29,560 Speaker 1: that wraps up this discussion. So in order to conclude, 870 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 1: let's just say we will revisit these predictions at the 871 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,680 Speaker 1: end of and see how we did and definitely how 872 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 1: wrong we were. Yeah. 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