1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realist. In nineteen sixty seven, the tiny fishing 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: community of shag of Harbor up in Canada, became ground 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: zero for one of the most infamous UFO sightings in 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: modern Western history. 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 2: And it was spooky season, y'all. It was October. 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 3: Oh, and here we are in spooky season now, so 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 3: kind of weirdly were weirdly appropriate? 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: Is it already spooky season? 9 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called summer ween. Yeah, it's always Halloween in America. 10 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: Let's a roll it. From UFOs to psychic powers and 11 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 1: government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: turn back now or learn this stuff they don't want 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: you to know. A production of iHeart Radios How Stuff Works. 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt noel 15 00:00:58,600 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: Is on Adventures. 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We were joined as always with 17 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: our super producer Paul Mission controlled decand most importantly, you 18 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff. 19 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: They don't want you to know this. This is what 20 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited about, Matt. What about you? 21 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a minute since we've really gotten our 22 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 2: unexplained phenomena I e UFOs Unidentified Flying Objects sometimes unidentified 23 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: submerged objects, any of those, We're We're into it. 24 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: And we had a lot of people, a lot of 25 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: our fellow listeners suggest this topic, so we picked one 26 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: one person that we wanted you to hear from directly. 27 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 4: Hey, boys, I'm a big fan of your show and 28 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 4: I really enjoy all the episodes you do. I just 29 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 4: had an idea for a great episode, and that's the 30 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 4: mystery of the Shag Harbor incident. That was a huge 31 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 4: UFO sighting seen by many many people, actually relatives of 32 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 4: personal friends of mine here in Eastern Canada. Happened on 33 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 4: the south shore of Nova Scotia back in the nineteen 34 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 4: sixties and not far from Oak Island, right, another awesome 35 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 4: place of mystery. So apparently there was a pretty substantial 36 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 4: RCMP investigation into that. And yeah, I think it would 37 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 4: make for a great episode. 38 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: Yes, thank you anonymous caller from East Canada over there 39 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 2: in Nova Scotia or near Nova Scotia at least. 40 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much. These are two fantastic ideas 41 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: that have been on our mutual minds for some time. 42 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: Oak Island is a story all its own, and we've 43 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: done some videos on that before, right, Matt. 44 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have. I cannot recall if we've actually made 45 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: a podcast episode, but we should if we haven't. 46 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe Buried Treasure episode or something tantalizing, tantalizing story 47 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: Shag Harbor however, Yeah, that's what we're going to look 48 00:02:59,919 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: at today. It has been quite a while, old friends, 49 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: since we did an episode on UFOs. I for one am. 50 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: You know, I'm still convinced that various governments are hiding 51 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: some sort of advanced technology or another. And you, both 52 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: of us, you especially Fox Moulder style, still want to believe. 53 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: Is that correct? 54 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 2: Oh, very much true, especially with something like the incident 55 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 2: we're going to discuss today. Our caller said that, you know, 56 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: a bunch of people witnessed this thing, and it is 57 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: true that I would say dozens. I think dozens of 58 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: people did witness this at some point during the official incident. 59 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: You know, it's not a ton of people. It's not 60 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: like it was over a large city and a bunch 61 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: of you know, everyone had their cell phones or something. 62 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: We're talking nineteen sixty seven. But enough people saw it 63 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: that it wasn't just a trick of the light that 64 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: you know, a captain on a ship saw or you know, 65 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: maybe me it could be explained pretty easily. 66 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: Or something funky on the horizon seen by a pilot exactly. 67 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 2: There's there are more. There are more vantages to this 68 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: than a lot of UFO sightings. 69 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: This is one of the most well documented UFO sightings 70 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: in modern history. To be honest, they call it Canada's Roswell, 71 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: and that's not an ironic name like Little John or something. 72 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: This really is one of the most historically significant, well 73 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: known and famous or infamous UFO sightings in Canadian history, 74 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: if not the most famous. So we received tons of 75 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: great episodes for specific UFO sightings. We get them a lot. 76 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: This one we were curious about because if you're not 77 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: from Canada and you don't spend much time thinking about UFOs, 78 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: you probably have not heard of shag Harper. A lot 79 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: of people who are ufologists in the United States may 80 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: not have heard of this. But here are the facts. 81 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: Shag Harbor is a tiny, tiny town, a village really, 82 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: and it is as as our callers said, on the 83 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: southern shore of Nova Scotia. The population is somewhere between 84 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: it's under five hundred people, it's four hundred, four and 85 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,799 Speaker 1: and fifty people or so, and their big business is lobster, 86 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: which I love this because the lobster is amazing. But 87 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: here where we're based and landlocked Atlanta, Georgia, you get 88 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: what you pay for. 89 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And just so you have an idea of 90 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: where this is. If you do live in the United States, 91 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: as do most of you out there listening, we know 92 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: this if you are in Portland, Maine. So if you're 93 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: imagining Portland, Maine, way up there in the northeast section 94 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: of the United States, and you essentially go east. No, 95 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 2: it's not perfectly east because we live, you know, on 96 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 2: a globe. But if you east on a map and 97 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 2: you just travel that till you hit Nova Scotia, you 98 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 2: essentially hit Shag Harbor, just to know exactly where you are, 99 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 2: because Nova Scotia is essentially a peninsula that comes down. 100 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 2: It's close to an island, but that's a peninsula that 101 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 2: comes down off of Canada up on the top there. 102 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: On the eastern side. Yeah. And this this fishing community, right, 103 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: most of their business in the fishing industry takes place 104 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: from November to May. That's going to be important for 105 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: the story as it unfolds. On a side note, I 106 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: just checked downstairs at one of the only places that 107 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: does sell lobster rolls. Yes, here in the area, twenty 108 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: four dollars. 109 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 2: For one for like a small lobster. 110 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: Roll, right for just a regular lobster roll. 111 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: And that's of course, to get that lobster to Atlanta 112 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: and then buy it in Pont City Market. Oh boy, now, 113 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: just saying it might be a little inflated, that's all. 114 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 2: That's all. 115 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: One day, Matt. Maybe one day I'll treat myself to 116 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: a lops you know what. I might just at this point, 117 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: maybe I should just fly to Maine or Nova Scotia's. 118 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: Well, let's look at Dave's Lobster in Halifax. Let's see. 119 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: Let's see if they've got a menu. 120 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: I looked up some places in Shag Harbor there I 121 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: couldn't find. I couldn't get the website for Captain Wayne's 122 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: to work. But I'm interested. So if you're listening, you've 123 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: ever been to Captain Waynes in Shag Harbor, Let let 124 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: let me know what you think and let me know 125 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: what I should order when I go there, because after this, 126 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: after doing this research, I'm excited about taking a trip 127 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: there one day. 128 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: Oh I do. That would be wonderful. We should definitely 129 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: do that. 130 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: And while we're there, we can check out the Chapel 131 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: Hill Museum, Captain Wayne's, and some other restaurants, a few 132 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: tourism sites. But what sort of tourism sites, you may ask. 133 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 2: Well, you know a lot of people would probably go 134 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 2: out there for fishing or maybe to try and catch 135 00:07:58,400 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: their own lobster. 136 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,559 Speaker 1: Dude, that would be so cool. Some people may visit 137 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: for the history of Chapel Hill is a historically significant site, 138 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,119 Speaker 1: but many people visit for a different reason. They visit 139 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: Shag Harper, you see, because they are convinced that human 140 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: beings saw a UFO night, even a UFO an extra 141 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: terrestrial object in this town in the nineteen sixties. Here's 142 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. So let's get our let's get 143 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: our primary sources for this right, and we'll go with 144 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: the official story, and then we'll go with some speculation, 145 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: and then we'll go with some analysis. 146 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: That sounds great. 147 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm over explaining it. That's very Alice 148 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: in Wonderland, where the Hatter says, start at the beginning, 149 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: go through the middle, and when you get to the end, 150 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: stop Now. 151 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 2: Signposts in my opinion are actually good, so let's keep 152 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: with them. 153 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: Okay. All right, Well we've made a promise now, Matt, 154 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: so we'll have to try to We'll have to try 155 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,599 Speaker 1: to keep our stories straight, which is a problem in 156 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: the Shag Harbor tale as well. Our primary sources for 157 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: contemporary reports from the authorities and civilian witnesses come from 158 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: a paper call the Halifax Chronicle Herald, and here's most 159 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: of what we know. On Wednesday, October fourth, nineteen sixty seven, 160 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: at around eleven twenty pm, multiple witnesses claimed to see 161 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: the following. 162 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: Some reported a row of lights, row of lights on 163 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 2: a craft that was roughly sixty feet long. Now that's, 164 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: of course an approximation, but that was used several times 165 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 2: sixty feet long. And this row of lights on whatever 166 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: this thing was, the lights at least because a lot 167 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: of people couldn't at least several of the reports couldn't 168 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 2: see an object. They just saw the lights because of 169 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: the distance they were away. But the lights descended down 170 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 2: and there was some kind of noise that was emanating 171 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: from whatever this was that was. It was reported as 172 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: like a whistle, sometimes sometimes as a wooshing sound, and 173 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: it was almost like it was akin to, at least 174 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: some of them said, a bomb falling, or like in 175 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: a movie you would hear a bomb like beer exactly. 176 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 2: And it was so it was descending down right, and 177 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 2: then it hovered over the water out there at Shag 178 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: Harbor or right outside of Shag Harbor, essentially hovered over 179 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: the water just momentarily, and then it began to submerge. 180 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: And there was some really weird details we're going to 181 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: get into here with how the light functioned or didn't function. 182 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: It was very strange, but let's continue along. 183 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: Sure, Yes, yes, the object or the lights whatever, this 184 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: was submerged into the Atlantic Ocean, a famously large body 185 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: of water. 186 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 2: Which, by the way, if you are in Shag Harbor 187 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: to your east, nothing but water, that's it, yes, exactly. 188 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: And emergency crews primarily the Royal Canadian Mounted Police or 189 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: the RCMP, as our caller mentioned earlier, they arrived within 190 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes or so, so they're not fooling around. They 191 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: reasonably assumed this was a plane crash at first, so 192 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: lives could be on the line and the clock is ticking. 193 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: The Coastguard later joins in the search. Initially civilians and 194 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: authorities the way the story goes, noted a thick yellow foam, 195 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: or specifically, a glittery yellow foam. A local fishing boat 196 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: captain said this was about eighty feet wide the swath 197 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: of foam, and it's important to remember that he made 198 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: this observation in the darkness, based on his unaided eyesight. 199 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: According to the records, no one obtained a sample of 200 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: this strange substance, so even today we don't know what 201 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: it is. We can guess, but we don't know for 202 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: about three When the authorities search the bottom of the 203 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: harbor and they have no luck. They find nothing, no bodies, 204 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: no debris bupkiss. They also find when they contact Halifax 205 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: and other regional authorities, that no planes were reported missing, 206 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: And with that, the incident seemed set to be a 207 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: flash in the pan headline. Local radio reported it, The 208 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: Chronicle Herald reported it, but it seemed like an unusual 209 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: sighting that, like thousands and thousands of others, would eventually 210 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: end up being little more than a footnote in regional 211 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: history books. See this is the important thing. So this 212 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: happens in nineteen sixty seven, right, it's twenty nineteen now, 213 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: and this is a famous, world famous UFO incident. But 214 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: in let's say nineteen seventy seven, this was not the case. 215 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: Something happened between sixty seven and today day that changed 216 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: the way the public thinks about this specific night in October. 217 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: And you know, I know I'm setting us up here, 218 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 1: but we will tell you what that moment is. We 219 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: found it. But for now, let's look at the facts. 220 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: That's the gist of the story. And there are a 221 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: couple of problems with it, a couple of contradictions. If 222 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: we rely just on the articles from the Chronicle Herald, 223 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: what do we find. 224 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: We'll tell you right after a quick word from our sponsor. Well, 225 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 2: if we do rely on those Chronicle Herald articles and 226 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 2: we just say that that's all we're gonna use, we're 227 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 2: gonna find a couple of things. First, is that four 228 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: teenagers said, and this is a claim, they saw four lights, 229 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 2: not three. They said that the lights were yellow or white. 230 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 2: So we already hear like even amongst a group of 231 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 2: people who were from the same vantage, saying they saw 232 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 2: us maybe slightly different things. They confirmed the lights were 233 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: descending coming down from the sky. One of the four 234 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 2: kids said the lights appeared to turn off and on 235 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 2: or blink in some way. Another kid said that he 236 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: heard the aforementioned whistling noise the some sound. So again 237 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 2: one of the four witnesses said, I heard it emitting 238 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 2: some kind of sound, But the other kids, the other 239 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 2: three didn't mention anything about a sound until this other 240 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: person mentioned it. Who knows if that's then some kind 241 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 2: of confirmation bias or wanting to be correct if you 242 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 2: missed it. Another teen said he heard a loud noise 243 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 2: when the lights appeared to hit the water, So some 244 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: kind of boom or splash. That's where you kind of 245 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: get that end of the bomb sound. And you know, 246 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 2: if it was a massive object and it impacted the water, 247 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: there would be some kind of sound. Sure, it just 248 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: depends on how far away you are if you could 249 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 2: hear it. 250 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: Essentially, if it were indeed, a craft sixty feet long, 251 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: no matter how light it was, would make an audible noise. 252 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: One hundred present. If a UFO falls in the water 253 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: and no one's around, does it make a sound. Yes. 254 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: Another thing you're gonna find is that a whole separate 255 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: group of people in this case, a couple other teenagers 256 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: said they saw three red orange lights this time, so 257 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 2: rather than white, yellow, white, or yellow descending again from 258 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 2: the sky forming a line at a roughly forty five 259 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: degree angle. Now, these two, this pair, they were actually 260 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: driving when they when they saw this, and they didn't 261 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 2: stop the vehicle, and the lights just kind of passed 262 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 2: out of you as they're driving around, and you know 263 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: you're probably somewhere near the coast over there, and they're 264 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 2: going to be gone even if they're descending down. So 265 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 2: we at least have two vantage points specifically from the 266 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 2: Chronicle Herald, specifically teenagers. 267 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: And this isn't the end of our witness list. This 268 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: is just where the witness list gets a little bit 269 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: at times murky. But picture you're self looking at an 270 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: aerial map of Shag. 271 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: Harbor and you can pull one up right now. 272 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: You could pull one up right now now, zoom out 273 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: and taken a bigger region into your aerial view, and 274 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: there's Halifax. Okay. So local radio stations reported a glowing 275 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: object had been seen by a bunch of people who 276 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: called their newsrooms and they reported witnessing strange glowing objects 277 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: flying around Halifax at around ten pm. 278 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: So what is our established timeline at this point when 279 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 2: did the impacts at the water Do we have we 280 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 2: established that yet? 281 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: It would be either it would be before midnight, yes, 282 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: but after eleven twenty exactly. 283 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 2: Okay, So we couped like an hour and change beforehand, 284 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 2: all over Halifax, and I've been as you said, like 285 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 2: not a significantly significant distance way, but far enough away 286 00:16:55,760 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 2: an hour before that you see lights, glowing objects, got. 287 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: It right, Yeah, And it would be helpful for us 288 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: to say that distance, right, it's about from Halifax, Nova 289 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: Scotia to shag Harbor, Nova Scotia. You're looking at about 290 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty five kilometers or one hundred and 291 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: fifty eight miles. 292 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 2: So that's pretty far. 293 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: That's according to distance between cities dot net. 294 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 2: Oh that's great. That's just their thing, unless it's a 295 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: driving distance of some sort. 296 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: Right, right, So the radio stations are reporting this, and 297 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: they're not the only ones. Air Canada flight three h 298 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: five noted something strange on the left side of their 299 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: plane at seven fifteen PM, and they called it a 300 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: brilliantly lit rectangular object with a string of smaller lights 301 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,479 Speaker 1: trailing the object. At seven nineteen the pilots noticed a 302 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: sizeable silent explosion near the object, and two minutes later, 303 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: another explosion occurred and it faded to a blue cloud 304 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: around this thing, whatever it was they saw. 305 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,239 Speaker 2: So they oh, got when when I read that and 306 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 2: I read that, all I hear is force field of 307 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 2: some sort, I got hit or like reacted. 308 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we know they saw something unusual, 309 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: but we don't know necessarily whether that is tied to 310 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: this stuff that happens hours later. This is where we 311 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: want to introduce our first book, the one that people 312 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: would consider conspiratorial. Doug Ledger wrote a book called Maritime 313 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: UFO Files, and in this book he claims that additional 314 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: witnesses exist. Daryl Dorry and his sister Annette and Daryl's 315 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: mother were sitting on their front porch when they noticed 316 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: a large object maneuvering above the southwestern horizon. The next day, 317 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: Daryl writes a letter to the Royal Canadian Air Force 318 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: Greenwood based commander, asking what was flying over the water 319 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: that evening because I've never seen anything like it? 320 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:06,719 Speaker 2: And yes, so we've got, you know, two people who 321 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 2: saw something and they reported it, which is you know, 322 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 2: always good, especially reporting it to a commander of a 323 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 2: base with the Royal Canadian Air Force. That's pretty cool 324 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 2: and it's good to know. But then you turn to 325 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 2: our next witness, Captain Leo Howard Mercy. Now, this gentleman, 326 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 2: you can actually find. You can find a memo because 327 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 2: he contacted the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and a report 328 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 2: was taken on the seventh of October nineteen sixty seven 329 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 2: and as pertaining to the fourth but an actual you 330 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 2: can find a written report. And so you know, we're 331 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: saying that this is taken from maritime UFO files by 332 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 2: Doug Ledger, and it's true. But a lot of times 333 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 2: when you're, you know, reading a book like that, it's 334 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 2: hard to know whether the sources are legit or real. 335 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 2: Right in this case, they most certainly are. So Howard Mercy, 336 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 2: Captain Leo Howard Mercy, he was looking at his radar. 337 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 2: He's standing on his ship and he's looking at four 338 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: blips on his deca radar. They seem to be stationary. 339 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 2: But then you know, he says, well, I want to 340 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 2: see I want to see what this is. He looks 341 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 2: out and he sees about twenty eight kilometers from where 342 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 2: he is on his ship, he could see four bright 343 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 2: lights in again, kind of a formation, like a rectangular 344 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 2: formation roughly is what he was estimating. And then the 345 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 2: entire crew of I think it was twenty, yeah, nearly 346 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 2: twenty fishermen who were with him on his ship, they 347 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 2: went out, they got on the deck, they watched this thing, 348 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 2: this object, whatever it is, this group of objects, they 349 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: watched it, and he was in the northeastern sky. And 350 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 2: then this guy Mercy radioed the Rescue Coordination Center at 351 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 2: the Harbor Master in Halifax and he asked for, you know, 352 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 2: something like, hey, guys, what's going on over there? And 353 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 2: it was one of those things where he reported knowing 354 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: that the Air Force conducted, you know, testing out in 355 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 2: that area where he was looking. So we didn't necessarily 356 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 2: think it was anything too off at least according to 357 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,479 Speaker 2: the official memo and report, but he did think it 358 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 2: was odd, so you know, he asked for an ex explanation. 359 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 2: He filed this report with the RCMP and that was 360 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 2: about it. At the end of the report, it is 361 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 2: noted that he is considered to be a reliable type 362 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: individual that's a quote and bears a good reputation in 363 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 2: his community. So that's something that that was noted by 364 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 2: the RCMP, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. 365 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: So, which is just them saying that he's considered a 366 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: credible reporter. He's not pranking people, he's not a crazy, 367 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: you know, paint huffing maniac who calls every weekend. 368 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 2: Yes, someone reliable saw this, whatever it was. 369 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: So so we have these additional witnesses, and there are 370 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: a few more. But in cases like this, where there's 371 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: something up in the sky that's not too far into 372 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: the wee hours of the night, we know that there 373 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: are almost certainly a bunch of witnesses who saw something 374 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: and did not go to the trouble of writing to 375 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: the Air Force station. Yes, because that's a lot of work. 376 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: So let's go their initial ideas initially. Initially, oddly enough, 377 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: most people are not thinking in terms of anything other 378 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: than mundane activities, tragedies, meteorological phenomenon. So they first assume, well, 379 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: maybe this is a boat, got to search that. Maybe 380 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: this is a plane, got to search for that. 381 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 2: Well, in the plane and or boat makes a lot 382 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 2: of sense depending on the color of the lights that 383 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 2: they saw, and if they were flashing or at least 384 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 2: on and off in some kind of repeating. 385 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: Pattern, right right, that could be distressing. 386 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 2: And we did notice that in a few of the witnesses. 387 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: True, that is true. They say, well, you know what 388 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: else could fit this story? A distress flare? This is 389 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: a for people who are convinced that this was a craft. 390 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: This feels like a stick in the mud answer. But 391 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: there are some pretty compelling similarities. So, first off, flare 392 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: guns are standard on boats, the standard ond boats. If 393 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,239 Speaker 1: there's a problem, you use a flare gun. After you 394 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: fire a flare. Have you ever fired a flare? 395 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 4: I have? 396 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: They're so cool. Yeah, after you fire a flare, then 397 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: you know, there's a little bit of a delay before 398 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: it burns. It might it varies, but it might start 399 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 1: burning almost immediately after you shoot it off, or it 400 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: might hit its arc and then start going downward and 401 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: then ignite. But this idea with a flare gun inspired 402 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: some of the more skeptical thinkers to say things like 403 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: like Brian Dunning said, ssh, is it outside the realm 404 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: of possibility that someone was playing around with a flare 405 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: gun at eleven at night after killing part of a 406 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: six pack or a whole six pack or a whole 407 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: six pack. You know what I mean, because if you've 408 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: been drinking. Maybe shooting off a flare gun sounds like 409 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: a cool thing to do, and yes. 410 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: And just to put it out there the way. One 411 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 2: of the big parts of this story that is so 412 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: fascinating is how the light landed on top of the 413 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 2: water for a little bit and then sunk into the. 414 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: Water, right and one of the witnesses, I think in 415 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: that group of four teenagers, one of the witnesses said 416 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: a single light remained for a moment before it submerged 417 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 1: or before it was put out by the water. So 418 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,959 Speaker 1: later on, I mean months or years later on, people 419 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: proposed that the sighting could fit the description of something 420 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: like a falling satellite, which is completely a possibility nineteen 421 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: sixty seven and completely a possibility that a satellite may 422 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: have fallen. 423 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 2: Especially if pieces of it are breaking apart as it's 424 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 2: falling and you have multiple lights where fires are burning 425 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 2: up choces of it. 426 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely as it enters the atmosphere. And then 427 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: it could also be a meteoric fireball, so like us 428 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: falling satellite, meteors frequently break up during their fall and 429 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: that could also look like a line of lights and 430 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: depending on the angle of the viewer or your perspective 431 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: as you're watching this, it could seem to be moving 432 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: much more slowly than it actually is at kind of 433 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: a low angle. So the big question immediately here is 434 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: did the story change. Here's the thing. After these reports 435 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: were printed, primarily in the Chronicle Herald but also in 436 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: other papers of the time, people began to connect the 437 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: dots and build what could have been interpreted as separate 438 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: sightings a single cohesive narrative. That is, there's nothing wrong 439 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: with that. That's what people do. We find patterns, we 440 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: connect dots. That's how our species got to where it is. 441 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: So the crazy thing that we discovered here is that 442 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: the foam and the lights were not initially connected. No 443 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 1: one initially reported seeing the objects or lights leaving the foam, 444 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: but people began saying that they saw the lights actually 445 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: leave the foam behind. So before that point, the foam 446 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: could have just been something weird that that captain saw. 447 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: So there we have it for now, this series of 448 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: spooky lights. If we're going to use the technical term, 449 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: but how do we get from spooky lights to UFOs? 450 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: We'll explore that after a word from our sponsor, and 451 00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: against all odds, we have returned how did this transform 452 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: or from spooky lights to genuine concerns about extraterrestrials being cited? Well, 453 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: according to a couple of different sources, this story did 454 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: not actually take off in the national international sphere until 455 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: decades later, until nineteen ninety three, when a ufologist named 456 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: Chris Stiles said that he witnessed the UFO around the 457 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,959 Speaker 1: same time and place several weeks after the initial sighting. 458 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: He co wrote a book called Dark Object, the world's 459 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: only government documented UFO crash. In this book, Styles and 460 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: his co author Doug Ledger from earlier. 461 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 2: Oh THEO What was that book called the Meteor. 462 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: The Maritime UFO Files. Yes, So in this book Dark Object, 463 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: Styles and Ledger claimed that what people saw that night 464 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: in Shag Harbor was a spaceship, not just an unidentified 465 00:27:55,080 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: flying object, but an unidentified submerged object. For the USOS 466 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: is the my favorite. Yeah, you introduced me to that concept. 467 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: And they further trace the path of this object after 468 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: it submerges in the ocean. They say that after it 469 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: went underwater, it traveled about seventy clicks northeast to a 470 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: US Navy facility called the HMCS Shelburn at the time, 471 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: the HMCS Shelburn was a support compound for offshore sonar 472 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: array that was meant to detect submarines. It's part of 473 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: an anti submarine system, and this was also part of 474 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: a larger global network. Back to the book, the authors 475 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: claimed that this USO unidentified submerged object met up with 476 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,479 Speaker 1: another ship underwater, they were monitored by the US Navy, 477 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: and then they were eventually launched into space. For the record, 478 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: as near as we can find, a Ledger and Styles 479 00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: were the first people to propose this idea or deposit 480 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: this series of events, and we couldn't find what their 481 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: sources were for this claim. 482 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: But if you did have information about this, let's say 483 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 2: you got it from someone's last words on their deathbed, 484 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 2: someone's you know, no one's ever heard of this before, 485 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 2: but this happened, you would be the first person to 486 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 2: ever report that. The problem is, you know, why would 487 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 2: there be no why would there be no reporting of 488 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 2: that kind of incident, that kind of thing, unless it's 489 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 2: just completely redacted and held because it's you know, national 490 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 2: security kind of situation. So there's it's one of those 491 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 2: things we always talk about. We we'll get into a 492 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 2: little later but it's it's not provable. It's not provable 493 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 2: either way. 494 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: Right right, right. We know that there's enough evidence to 495 00:29:54,840 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: say that people definitely saw something. We know little else, Yep, 496 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: because even even the mundane explanations are not perfect one 497 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,479 Speaker 1: to one fits, you know what I mean. So in 498 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: the in the case of the flare, if if it 499 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: were a distress flare, we would have probably found an 500 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: object right from which that was shot. If it were 501 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: a prank by someone who had had too much to 502 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: drink or was just out living their best life on 503 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: the coast. 504 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: Didn't even have to be a prank, just somebody messing around. 505 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: Then, you know, how do we explain the fact that 506 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: no one came forward. We would just say that they 507 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: were so terrified that they decided to take the secret 508 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: to their grave, because I don't I don't know. I 509 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: don't think they would have gotten in serious trouble. But 510 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: maybe they freaked out because they saw all the all 511 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: the law enforcement and rescue responders out there. 512 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 2: Maybe they were like illegal lobster poachers and they didn't 513 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 2: want anyone. 514 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: To know, yeah, doing illegal flare lobstering. 515 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the flaring for lobsters, you know, that's in 516 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 2: that old standby. 517 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: Flaring for Lobsters Sun new t shirt. 518 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 2: Yep. 519 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: So we've got these claims from these authors, and there 520 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: are more. There are more arguments or theories around, but 521 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: the claims of Styles and Ledger are probably the most 522 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: well known on that side of the fence. Let's go 523 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: to the official word because those of us who may say, well, 524 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: I'm more of a skeptically minded person and I'm convinced 525 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: this is a flare, we have weird news for you. 526 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: The government disagrees. The Canadian government was not convinced. On 527 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: October sixth, a couple of days after the incident, a 528 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: Colonel W. W. Turner issued a memo where he said, quote, 529 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: the Coordination Center conducted preliminary investigation and discounted the possibilities 530 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: that the sighting was produced by an aircraft, flares, floats, 531 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: or any other known objects, and he got that this 532 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: is weird. This is probably the strangest piece of trivia 533 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: I learned doing this. He got that from a telex, 534 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: an early kind of form of facts sent from a 535 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: Coastguard ship, and it was very shortened to the point, 536 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: you know, essentially it was like telegraph language where they said, 537 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: we search for this with nil results, we search for 538 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: this other thing with nil results. All that means is, 539 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: while they're not totally ruling it out, they're saying they 540 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: didn't find anything that supports any of those mundane explanations. 541 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: So even though they didn't find anything, they still didn't 542 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: feel that the normal explanations fully explained everything. And this 543 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: is this sounds sinister, right, it could be seen as 544 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: a very sinister thing. But we also have to remember 545 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: it's kind of predictable if it were a flair. They're 546 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: searching the ocean for a flare. 547 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 2: Well, you mean you can't just dive down there easily 548 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 2: with a snorkel and grab it. 549 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: It's not like a video game. Oh, it's not like 550 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: a mission where you can snag some of the video game. 551 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 2: And it's so true. You'd have to have such specialized 552 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 2: equipment to even get to the bottom of the ocean 553 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 2: there if you could, and then from that point you're 554 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 2: just gonna look for a flare that could have carried. 555 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: You know, that's if it makes it to the bottom. 556 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 2: If it is a flare. 557 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: If it is a flare, what if it was. 558 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 2: Some you know, extraterrestrial species just probe. It's like small 559 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 2: little probe spherically shaped or something that's designed to go 560 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 2: down to the bottom of the ocean. Oh and then disappear, Yeah, 561 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 2: like burrow into the sand in the ground. Okay, Like 562 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 2: if that's what it was, you'll never find it. 563 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: That's I mean, yeah, maybe that's true with the technology 564 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: they had at the time, right lightar. But now we 565 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: have lightar. Yeah, And I think some relatives of Jacques 566 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: Custeau actually traveled up a few years back to Shag 567 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: Harber to film a documentary about the Shag Harbor incident. 568 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: So they'll be bringing with them technology that did not 569 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: exist in the late nineteen sixties. They'll also be working 570 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 1: with one of the original members of the dive team 571 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,760 Speaker 1: that explored the incident. 572 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 2: When it occurred. 573 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: Cool, and this is where we're at now. This is 574 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: pretty interesting because there are there are people who are 575 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: convinced that this was an accident that got covered up, 576 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: whether mundane or military or somehow beyond this world in nature. 577 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: And then there are people who are convinced that this 578 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: is an easily explainable thing that people may not necessarily 579 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: want explained because you see today shag Harbor remains a 580 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: popular tourist that the nation for local UFO enthusiast. When 581 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: the weather's right, you can check out the UFO Gazebo 582 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: and picnic site and you can look out onto the 583 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,280 Speaker 1: ocean to the spot where the object crashed. 584 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,399 Speaker 2: That's right. Did you say the name of it yet? 585 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 2: That place? 586 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,879 Speaker 1: Oh? I just said the UFO Gazebo and Picnic. 587 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 2: Well, there's a it's specifically called and you can find 588 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 2: it on Google Maps, the Shag Harbor Incident Interpretive Center. 589 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 2: It's a yellow building. I think it's still yellow. You 590 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 2: can find it. There are phone numbers you can call 591 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 2: to reach them, a fax number, and even an email address. 592 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 1: Right. You can also when you visit, find articles, documentaries, 593 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: and memorabilia pertaining to the incident. 594 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 2: Exactly. Just something you should know if you are going 595 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 2: to go up there. This place, specifically the shag Harbor 596 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 2: UFO Center. It only operates from June fifteenth until September thirtieth, 597 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 2: so if you're planning to go go soon. 598 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: You can also contact the Shag Harbor Incident which collects 599 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: and organizes information about this event. Neat bookending note here 600 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: They are headed by Lori Wickens One of the teenagers 601 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: who first cited the object. He also participated in the 602 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: Custeau documentary. 603 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 2: He, by the way, is a ah. 604 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: So there's where we are Barring some new revelations or 605 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: deathbed confessions, we want to know what you think. We 606 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: do also want to point out that there is still 607 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of a sketchy documentation on the side 608 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: of the Canadian government. Let's let them summarize it themselves. 609 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: Here's the conclusion from the Department of National Defense. The 610 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 1: crashing of the unidentified flying object and Deshaghaba is still 611 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: discussed today, with many articles appearing on the antidet. There's 612 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: no trace of THESEMP reports of the siding and the 613 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 1: files the Department of National Defense has identified decided as 614 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: unsolved and the only documentation that exists in the files 615 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: is a D and D memo. 616 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 2: And we have that memo. If you want to hear it, well, 617 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 2: then here it is UFO report. Lower Wood Harbor, Nova Scotia. 618 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 2: An RCMP corporal and six other witnesses observed what they 619 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 2: believed to be an unidentified flying object off the southwest 620 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 2: coast of Nova Scotia, Canada, on the fourth of October 621 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 2: nineteen sixty seven. The object was described as approximately sixty 622 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,240 Speaker 2: feet in length and was flying in an easterly direction 623 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 2: when first sighted. During their observation, the UFO descended rapidly 624 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 2: to the surface and made a bright splash as it 625 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 2: struck the water. For some time after the impact, a 626 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,280 Speaker 2: single white light remained on the surface. The RCMP corporal 627 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 2: endeavored to reach the floating white object, but unfortunately, before 628 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 2: he could reach the location, the object sank. A search 629 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 2: of the area failed to produce any material evidence which 630 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 2: would assist in explaining or establishing the identity of the object. 631 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 2: An underwater search conducted by divers from the Department of 632 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 2: National Defense also failed to locate any tangible evidence which 633 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 2: could be used to arrive at an explainable conclusion. So 634 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 2: literally what you said, Ben, it's unexplainable and that's all 635 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 2: we got. 636 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: Right, So we can easily see why this is so 637 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: intriguing and remains so intriguing. Despite the fact that it 638 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 1: is one of the one of the better documented sightings 639 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: or incidents, there's a surprisingly sparse amount of paperwork regarding it, 640 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: and some of this came out only when the Canadian 641 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: government declassified pages and pages and pages of files on 642 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 1: unidentified flying objects reports. Now we do have one. We 643 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 1: do have one pretty I think, a pretty cool point 644 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: that we have to make every time we do a 645 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 1: UFO sighting up. So this is a UFO. Any unidentified 646 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,360 Speaker 1: flying object is by virtue of being unidentified and in 647 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 1: the air and an object AUFO. That does not mean 648 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: it was from Alpha centaur I, or Mars or some 649 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 1: place in the darkness between the stars. It just means 650 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: that we have no real idea what it is. And 651 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: even if we as a species have some good guesses, 652 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: they are still only that they are only guesses until 653 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,760 Speaker 1: some sort of hard proof exists. Also, on a personal note, 654 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,879 Speaker 1: I love that the Department of National Defense is abbreviated 655 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,479 Speaker 1: to D and D yes. And when I first read 656 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: the original summarization quote, I had this image in my 657 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: head that there was a file from a D and 658 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: D game. 659 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 2: Oh, it was just a game master. 660 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: That the RCMP was playing like they were deep into it, 661 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 1: although I'm fairly certain D and D did not exist 662 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,800 Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties. Oh and that fact I forgot 663 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 1: to mention the telex I never followed up the weird 664 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: fact I learned about telex. Okay, So, telex or teleprinter 665 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: is the original form of data transmission and was developed 666 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 1: in World War Two, supposed to be reliably secure over 667 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: long distances, unlike now we have faxes, we have emails. 668 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,240 Speaker 1: We have faxes still for some reason, right, But unlike 669 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:26,320 Speaker 1: facts and email, telex has what's called full legal document 670 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: status in every country in the world. So if you're 671 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: send something on telex, it matters. 672 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, well the facts. It's like, I don't know, I'm 673 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:35,840 Speaker 2: going to need a cover sheet. 674 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: Yeah right, So I thought that was weird because maybe 675 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: that's the reason why it was so popular. 676 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,760 Speaker 2: But do you remember sending cover sheets with fax machines? 677 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I used to, Doe. Yeah, we had to. 678 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,319 Speaker 1: It was very strange. 679 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 2: We've been doing this a while, Ben. 680 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: We have we can technically still fax things. 681 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 2: We could if we want to. 682 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: Have you ever prank faxed people? 683 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 2: Oh no, I used to. 684 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,240 Speaker 1: Prank fax people at our old office. What I don't know, Man. 685 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 2: Send something Marshall's way, not in a mean way. 686 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 1: Not in a mean way. I would fat things like 687 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: like attention for your eyes only. The transmission will begin 688 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,439 Speaker 1: at you know, five fifteen or something. Tell no one 689 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 1: destroy this paper. It was brilliant facts an optometrist or something. 690 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 2: That is brilliant. 691 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:35,799 Speaker 1: Can you get in trouble for that? 692 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 2: Probably? 693 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 1: Probably? I hope that statute of limitations on prank vaccine 694 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,919 Speaker 1: is pretty low. 695 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 2: Somebody somewhere in an office is listening to this on 696 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 2: their break or like while they're waiting a dental aygenis waiting. 697 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,800 Speaker 1: Or going use yet. But the I did fax people 698 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 1: at five point fifteen as well, you. 699 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,120 Speaker 2: See there you go, you know, just enough time to 700 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,720 Speaker 2: get out the door with a little fun, little light step. 701 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: One time. It was just like I tried to fact 702 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: I tried to fax a picture of Christopher walk In, 703 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: but you know, you mainly fax text through through facts machine, 704 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,879 Speaker 1: So I don't know what they got, but but yeah, 705 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,279 Speaker 1: that was my I feel better. I feel like I 706 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:22,719 Speaker 1: have confessed my sins to you. 707 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 2: Oh well, hey, I love it and not just now 708 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 2: I want to do it. So, if you have ever 709 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 2: experienced an unidentified flying or sub merged object. 710 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 1: Well facts or facted anyone an unidentified facts object. 711 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 2: Yes you can. You can reach out to us. We 712 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 2: would love to hear your stories. You can give us 713 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 2: a call. We are one eight three three s T 714 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 2: d W y t K leave a message detailing what 715 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 2: you've seen. You can, like one of our recent listeners 716 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 2: first called us and left a message or two, I believe, 717 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 2: and then sent us several videos like showing what she 718 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 2: experienced with some kind of object that she noticed. 719 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,799 Speaker 1: That was fantastic. Yeah, thank you for doing that. 720 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for sending that. You can 721 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 2: you can do that, or you can just leave us 722 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 2: a message telling us what happened one time or what 723 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,360 Speaker 2: you've experienced. You can do all that stuff, or you 724 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 2: can reach out to us on Instagram where we are 725 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 2: a conspiracy stuff show, and Ben you are. 726 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,880 Speaker 1: I am in a burst of creativity at Ben Bullen, 727 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,800 Speaker 1: so you can follow me to see me get kicked 728 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,840 Speaker 1: into and out of various countries on various misadventures perfection. 729 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,800 Speaker 2: Is there an HSW involved or is it just no? Okay, 730 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 2: I'm Matt Frederick HSW. Something I don't know. Good luck, 731 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 2: you'll never find it. Aha. And then and we have 732 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 2: Embryonic Insider, which is and Paul is what is it? 733 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,760 Speaker 1: Paul? Paul is Paul is at applebe revolutionary? 734 00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Applebee's was it the Appleby's Revolution? 735 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 1: It's either. I think Mission Control has several different Applebee's accounts, okay, 736 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: which I'm surprised that he finds time for all of them. 737 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,279 Speaker 2: You're just gonna have to search around and find it. 738 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 2: I can't remember, and it was a really complicated. 739 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to earn that one. 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